Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

[Chandres Wikipedia]

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> Le 16 oct. 2017 à 19:34, Jean-Philippe Béland  a écrit 
> :
> 
> There is so many threads on this list that are only about English Wikipedia
> like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
> 
> Jean-Philippe Béland
> Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
> 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> list-wikime...@funcrunch.org> wrote:
> 
>> The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
>> comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary transmasculine
>> people like myself.
>> 
>> I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
>> 
>> 
>> Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
>>> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
>>> 
>>> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this
>>> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the
>>> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project
>>> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
>>> mass-producing poor-quality content).
>>> 
>>> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
>>> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I
>>> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can
>>> be
>>> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor
>>> wording.
>>> 
>>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare >> gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
>>> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
>>> email address.
>>> 
>>> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
>>> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
>>> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
>>> 
>>> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a
>>> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going
>>> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of
>>> stubs.
>>> 
>>> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better
>>> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't
>>> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
>>> 
>>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>>> 
>> 
>> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
>> 
>>> Is that still going on?
>>> 
>>> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia.
>>> I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out
>>> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on women
>>> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of them.
>>> 
>>> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in
>>> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without consideration of
>>> quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist. The
>>> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about Russian
>>> literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just because
>>> of what the subject happens to be.
>>> 
>>> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling people
>>> sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all for
>>> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in this
>>> thread.
>>> 
>>> Todd
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
 
 I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about these
 issues.  Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported, sweeping
 generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's
 considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest tones
 it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and apologies
 are demanded.  We've culturally internalized sexism so much that even the
 way we talk about sexism is sexist.
 
 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to  wrote:
 
> 
> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're trying to
> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know *nothing*
> about
> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is, incidentally,
> one
> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
> 
 
>> --
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>> they/them/their
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

[Chandres Wikipedia]

I do not have a perfect solution to introduce oral traditions in Wikipedia 
today, but I’m convince that we need to find a way to do it.

Just to give you an illustration:

Today ,a significative amount of African topics in the Wikipedia in French rely 
only on the work of only few French historian. Without saying they are not 
honest, I find difficult to consider that there words have really so more value 
than the words of the Ancient of the African tribes.

We know for sure than oral tradition will include bias, but do not forget that 
the «  traditional western historian work » are not exempt of bias too.

Charles

PS: IMHO, I find offensive the way you define oral traditions, but it may be 
caused by a misconception from my part. 

These are the definition I use for urban legend and oral tradition, very 
different each other I think.
urban <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban#English> legend 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/legend#English> (plural urban legends 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/urban_legends#English>)
A widely circulated story <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/story> that is untrue 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/untrue> or apocryphal 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/apocryphal>, often having elements of humour 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/humour> or horror 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/horror>.
oral <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral#English> tradition 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tradition#English> (countable 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#countable> and uncountable 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#uncountable>, plural oral 
traditions <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oral_traditions#English>)
Cultural <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/culture> material transmitted 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/transmit> orally from one generation 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generation> to another.





> Le 4 oct. 2017 à 21:11, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> You might be right, and the goal is indeed to differentiate between them. I
> just do not see how it could be implemented in practice. A legend is a
> legend, be it urban or not.
> 
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
> 
> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Chandres Wikipedia <chandres...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is likely
>>> to be problematic (since it is really difficult to differentiate between
>>> say folk tales and the oral traditions which state that Earth is flat and
>>> that all US presidents report to the Zionist Occupational Government),
>> but
>>> 
>> 
>> For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend ».
>> TO my understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the History of
>> the tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way and never put on
>> paper.  Am I wrong?
>> 
>> charles
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

[Chandres Wikipedia]

> to Wikipedia. They might still be a separate WMF project, which is likely
> to be problematic (since it is really difficult to differentiate between
> say folk tales and the oral traditions which state that Earth is flat and
> that all US presidents report to the Zionist Occupational Government), but
> 

For me, your definition of oral tradition is the one of « urban legend ». TO my 
understanding, oral tradition refer to culture where the History of the 
tribes/nation/people is transmit only by a spoken way and never put on paper.  
Am I wrong?

charles







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Re: [Wikimedia-l] about staff

[Chandres Wikipedia]

> 
> b) In france , belgium , the netherlands , germany, scandianavian countries, 
> austria even swtizerland   any worker (wage earning)  is free to join a 
> labourunion and about 80% of private sector workers are syndicated , public 
> servants are even over 90% syndicated
> 

I don’t know where this numbers came from, but thew look quite fancy, at least 
for the french-speaking country I know

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?lang=en=385cb975-cc48-415a-8fee-820f170255d7=13
 



Charles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

[Chandres Wikipedia]

Thanks Patricio,

There was many solution to the situation and I personally felt the board choose 
one of the less bad ;-)

charles

> Le 29 janv. 2016 à 16:27, Patricio Lorente  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> 
> I am happy to announce the Board intends to fill the open community Trustee
> seat at our meeting this weekend. On Saturday, María Sefidari will accept
> an appointment to the Board of Trustees, stepping into the third
> community-nominated seat. The appointment will last the remainder of the
> two year term, until Wikimania 2017.
> 
> 
> Many of you know María. She previously served as a community-selected
> Trustee from August 2013 to July 2015. In the most recent 2015 community
> elections, she received the next highest support percentage, and highest
> number of support votes. She was born and lives in Madrid, Spain, and has
> been a contributor to the Wikimedia projects since 2006. She was a founding
> member of Spanish Wikipedia's LGBT Wikiproject, Wikimedia España, and
> Wikimujeres Grupo de Usuarias. She has also served on the Affiliations and
> Individual Engagement Grants committees. María is passionate about the role
> of diversity in our strategic efforts to retain and increase editorship,
> and improving channels for community participation in Foundation governance
> and policymaking.
> 
> 
> We consulted with the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee before
> deciding how to proceed in identifying a new Trustee. They offered
> thoughtful feedback on the possible available options, and we’re grateful
> for their considerations. (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015
> 
> )
> 
> 
> We are certain many of you are wondering why we decided against holding
> another election. We did consider the option, but the disadvantages
> outweighed the benefits. The last election was well-attended, and still
> quite recent. Holding a new election would take considerable time, and we
> have important issues to address in the near future. It was important to us
> that the community perspective is fully represented in these conversations,
> without delay. We also didn’t want to distract from the affiliate Trustee
> selection process, which is coming up soon.
> 
> 
> I am excited by the dedication, compassion, and experience María brings to
> the Board at a crucial time. We are confident she will serve our mission
> with wisdom and grace.
> 
> 
> Please join me in congratulating our friend María, and thanking her service
> to our movement.
> 
> 
> Patricio
> 
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