[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Movimento Brasil Statement on Bill 2630/2020

2020-07-14 Thread Chico Venancio
A legislative proposal against Fake News is underway in the House of
Representatives in Brazil.

Contradictorily, the proposal affects projects that act against
misinformation. As it is currently written, bill 2630/2020 may be a severe
obstacle for Wikimedia projects in Brazil, as well as other open
educational and collaborative projects.

The UG Wiki Movimento Brasil wrote a statement regarding some points that
our legislative representatives should consider as the law proposal
advances. The statement was written with support of other civil society
entities, the Coalizão Direito na Rede[1], the Wikimedia Foundation Legal
Team and the office of a federal deputy active in the case.
Please, help us spread the statement and pressure Brazilian representatives
for more public debate! The document is available on Commons both in
English and Portuguese. It is also published in our wiki in English[2] and
Portuguese[3].

[1]http://plfakenews.direitosnarede.org.br/
[2]https://w.wiki/Wvk
[3]https://w.wiki/WtU

Chico Venancio on behalf of WIki Movimento Brasil User Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Chico Venancio
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as
"presenting truths".

Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread.

Chico Venancio

Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During 
escreveu:

> I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be
> bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted.
> Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
>
> On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that
> > actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code
> > of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging
> > anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
> >
> > This may surprise some, but here are two examples, and if you follow
> > the multiple language links in each, you will find many other language
> > examples:
> >
> > [1] Wikipedia article in Russian about "Negroid race" (Негроидная
> > раса) and associates Negroid as being defined by genetics. Nowhere in
> > the article is it explained that these are debunked racist theories.
> >
> > [2] Wikipedia article in Italian about "Mongoloid" (Mongoloide),
> > defines being Mongoloid by physical characteristics and presents it as
> > a scientific term with a section explaining how the Mogoloid race is
> > geographically spread.
> >
> > Unfortunately, as these outdated racist theories are Wikipedia
> > articles, Wikimedia Commons still hosts multiple *user created*
> > "racial maps" of the human race as if this were a current scientific
> > race taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to have
> > warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a bad
> > thing.[3]
> >
> > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic
> > racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will take
> > action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The idea
> > that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that
> > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in
> > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of it or
> > at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as debunked,
> > should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting this
> > content.
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0
> > 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide
> > 3.
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_East-Eurasian_ancestry_(Mongoloid).png
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fae
> > --
> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Chico Venancio
My only hangup with jitsi is the design choice (that zoom used to have) to
drop new attendees with mic and camera default to open as the default. I
know it is now possible to change this on a per meeting level, but the fact
that sometimes it isn't me setting up the meeting made me go with Google
meet for the time being. This was in the context of the User Group Wiki
Movement Brazil (WMB) periodical meetings.

Google gave us, WMB, a free non-profit subscription to all of gsuite and it
allows us meetings of up to 25 people. Last I checked the free tier without
the non-profit program is up to 10 people per meeting.

Jitsi is superior to zoom in my view, not only the open source aspect is
important but zoom does not have a browser based solution that I'm aware
of. And a few months ago there was a serious vulnerability disclosed for
the zoom local client that kept its foothold even *after* the user chose to
uninstall the zoom client.

For now my recommendations are meet, better than jitsi, better than zoom.

Best regards,

Chico Venancio

Em ter, 10 de mar de 2020 22:53, Sam Wilson  escreveu:

> Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group
> trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there
> are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are
> three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's
> no need to set up separate URLs or anything).
>
>
> On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:
> > I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a
> > solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility
> > to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit
> >
> > best,
> >
> > dj
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> >
> >> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> >> fine
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
> >>
> >> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Yaroslav
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> >> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> >>> wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd
> decided
> >> to
> >>> attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and
> even
> >>> May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> >>> dozen to twenty people?
> >>>
> >>> I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
> >> ago,
> >>> but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> WSC
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27,  >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Launch of Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal

2020-03-06 Thread Chico Venancio
Congratulations on the launch! Knowing the competence of both involved I'm
confident the project will be an asset in improving communication between
affiliates and wmf as well as improving data collection of reports and good
practices of affiliates.

Thanks to all involved for their efforts and as soon as I can I'll check it
more closely and help the affiliates I participate in to use and give
meaningful feedback to further improve on the new platform.

I'm excited to try it out and participate in the onboarding sessions.

Congrats again on the launch.

Chico Venancio

Em sex, 6 de mar de 2020 14:52, Dumisani Ndubane 
escreveu:

> TL;DR: Launch of Wikimedia Affiliates Data Portal
>
> We are launching a new form-based annual reporting system for Wikimedia
> affiliates [1], as well as a basic Affiliates data query system. We would
> love your feedback.
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> Hello, Affiliate Leaders & Community Members,
>
> Tired of the affiliate reports [2] wiki table of death? SO are we!
>
> The Learning & Evaluation team is pleased to announce the launch of the
> Wikimedia Affiliates Data (WAD) Portal [1]. This portal will serve three
> purposes as follows:
>
>1. It introduces a new Object-Oriented User Interface (OOUI) [3]
>form-based report submission interface for annual activity and financial
>reports. This replaces the wiki mark-up based submission via the
>[[Reports]] page on meta.
>2. It introduces the ability for Organizations to update their
>information using OOUI forms on the fly.
>3. It introduces a new simple data query form that allows anyone
>logged-in to their public wiki accounts to run a query and view results
> on
>available Affiliates data. The query tool will be improved in the coming
>financial year, as we work to code data in Affiliate reports into
>structured data, to allow for richer analysis.
>
>
> The [[Reports]] page on meta will continue to be visible on meta until the
> end of June 2020, after which it will be protected and archived. All
> organizations that are due to submit annual reports at the end of March are
> encouraged to use the new report submission forms. If you do use the new
> forms, please share any feedback you have about this new process on the
> Portal’s talk page
>
> We will hold training seminars for those who wish to be onboarded to the
> submission forms and the Query system during the months of March and April
> 2020 (Dates will be communicated soon).
>
> We have taken time to pre-populate the system with basic information about
> each recognized Wikimedia affiliate, however, should you find any incorrect
> or outdated information about your group, please use the organization
> information page[4] to provide updated information.
>
> We trust that you will enjoy the new portal and that you will find it
> useful. Should you have any problems or encounter bugs in the new forms,
> please use the Portal talk page [5] to log these, or to simply ask
> questions. We will collect similar questions to create an FAQ page in due
> time.
>
> Kindest regards
>
> *Dumisani Ndubane* - Lead Designer
> *Derick Alangi* - Software Developer
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> *Learning & Evaluation team*
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> *Links:*
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Affiliates_Data_Portal
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports
> [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/OOUI
> [4]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Affiliates_Data_Portal/Organizations_Information
> [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Affiliates_Data_Portal
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

2019-07-28 Thread Chico Venancio
FYI, it seems Wikimedia is not being intercepted at the moment.
https://censoredplanet.org/kazakhstan

Of course, that may change.

It may also be relevant that Wikimedia uses HSTS, and that will make it
difficult for users to access the sites with intercepted certificates if
they have accessed the sites previously.

Chico Venancio

Em dom, 28 de jul de 2019 08:58, John Erling Blad 
escreveu:

> The Kazakhstan MITM could be stopped by HTTP Public Key Pinning [1], but
> Chrome seems to have dropped support for HPKP[2]? Dropping HPKP made the
> MITM attack possible, by forcing the users to install the root certificate,
> as many of the sites listed has been on the HPKP list. With HPKP in place
> the scheme would be somewhat harder to implement.
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Public_Key_Pinning
> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1412438
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 3:05 PM Yury Bulka <
> setthemf...@privacyrequired.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see any position from Mozilla on this yet:
> > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1567114
> >
> >
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.security.policy/wnuKAhACo3E
> >
> > Couldn't find anything about Google Chrome.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have emailed secur...@wikimedia.org with a link to this
> > discussion (hope it's not a terribly inappropriate thing to do).
> >
> > I'd be great to hear from WMF about their view on this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Yury.
> >
> > Yury Bulka  writes:
> >
> > > I'm not in Kazakhstan and am not in directly touch with any of
> > > wikimedians there, so I don't know their position.
> > >
> > > However, I'm not sure how much freedom they have in expressing their
> > > honest opinion about this publicly. Simply because it is always a
> > > pros-and-cons calculation to criticise your local goverment in such
> > > situations.
> > >
> > > Yaroslav Blanter  writes:
> > >
> > >> I do not think Kazakhstan has a chapter. In the past, some Kazakh
> > >> Wikimedians enjoyed close collaboration with the government (for
> > example,
> > >> the Kazakhstani Encyclopedia has been released under a free license
> and
> > >> verbatim copied to the Kazakh Wikipedia, so that I do not expect much.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers
> > >> Yaroslav
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:45 PM Thomas Townsend <
> homesec1...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Yury
> > >>>
> > >>> What is the position of the Kazakhstan chapter on this?
> > >>>
> > >>> The Turnip
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 at 11:36, Yury Bulka
> > >>>  wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I'm sure many have heard about this:
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> >
> https://thehackernews.com/2019/07/kazakhstan-https-security-certificate.html
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Essentially, the government in Kazakhstan started forcing citizens
> > into
> > >>> > installing a root TLS certificate on their devices that would allow
> > the
> > >>> > government to intercept, decrypt and manipulate all HTTPS traffic.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Without the centificate, it seems, citizens can't access HTTPS
> pages
> > (at
> > >>> > least on some ISPs).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I think this has serious implications for Wikipedia & Wikimedia, as
> > not
> > >>> > only they would be easily able to see which articles people read,
> but
> > >>> > also steal login credentials, depseudonymize people and even hijack
> > >>> > admin accounts.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Another danger is that if this effort by Kazakhstan will succeed,
> > other
> > >>> > governments may start doing the same.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I wonder if WMF has any position on this yet?
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Best,
> > >>> > Yury.
> > >>> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-03 Thread Chico Venancio
Dear Seddon,

Thank you for your interest in the Brazilian community.

The Affiliations Committee has created a page to discuss the situation in
the Brazilian community. You may want to direct questions to them or in
general to community members on this page [1].

The User Group Wiki Movimento Brasil is strongly committed to improving
community health, striving to engage the Wikimedian communities and keep a
safe environment for participation. With that commitment in mind --and even
before the official re-recognition-- we have looked for support and have
created a code of conduct [2] and a friendly space policy [3], to which all
members must abide. We are currently working on a diversity plan with
Community Development staff members, that should be ready in less than six
months.

We take this space as an opportunity to invite the global community to get
to know and engage with the set of activities we run. Since 2013, we have
led numerous GLAM partnerships [4], one of the largest education programs
in the world [5], many community events focused on advanced Wikidata topics
[6] and several other outreach activities and programs.

Thank you all and good contributions.

Chico Venancio,
On behalf of User Group Wiki Movimento Brasil

References

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Movement_Brazil_User_Group/Code_of_Conduct
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Movement_Brazil_User_Group/Friendly_Space_Policy
[4]
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:This_Month_in_GLAM_Brazil_reports
[5]
https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/grupo_de_usu%C3%A1rios_wikimedia_no_brasil/programs
[6] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:!Wikidata_Labs


Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 08:59, Joseph Seddon 
escreveu:
>
> I didn't mean for any intended accusation in my initial question, and to
> clarify I do not sit on AffCom along I have a long standing interest in
> affiliates.
>
> After the issues with the two previous affiliates in Brazil, it was the
> Brazilian community themselves who could take the situation into their own
> hands and move forward and I was genuinely interested how the community
> plans to do that and avoid repeats of the past.
>
> Regards
> Seddon
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:24 PM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Joseph
> >
> > Perhaps we could assume that your colleagues on the Affiliations
Committee
> > are well aware of the past history and have taken it into consideration
> > privately, which is exactly how such issues sould be considered, rather
> > than on a public mailing list.  Unless you have evidence to the cotrary?
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:43 AM Joseph Seddon 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Asking as a volunteer with a broad interest in affiliate matters
rather
> > > than as a staff member:
> > >
> > > What steps is the Brazilian community taking to ensure there isn't a
> > repeat
> > > of past breakdowns in community cooperation?
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
> > > Seddon
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > I would like to correct myself, as since October 2018 there is one
more
> > > > Wikimedia affiliate with Portuguese as its official language, our
very
> > > good
> > > > friends "Muj(lh)eres latinoamericanas en Wikimedia", who have been
> > doing
> > > > quite a notable work in LATAM:
> > > >
> > >
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Muj(lh)eres_latinoamericanas_en_Wikimedia
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Paulo Santos Perneta  escreveu no dia
quinta,
> > > > 30/05/2019 à(s) 15:40:
> > > >
> > > > > Wonderful news!
> > > > > Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia
> > > > educational
> > > > > projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line with the
> > > > > educational projects, and generally with full Wikidata
integration.
> > > > > It is very rewarding to see the group recognized again as a
> > full-right
> > > > > Wikimedia affiliate.
> > > > > It also happens to be the only other Portuguese speaking
affiliate,
> > > > > besides Wikimedia Portugal. Still a long way to go for one of the
> > most
> > > > > spoken native languages in the globe, but t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-26 Thread Chico Venancio
Since no one is pure we should accept and embrace intolerant and hateful
propaganda in Wikimedia projects? Is that the argument you are making,
Dennis?

Chico Venancio

Em seg, 26 de nov de 2018 09:55, Dennis During  It's a good thing that our thoughts and deeds are so pure that we have
> become entitled to purify the thoughts and deeds of others.
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[Wikimedia-l] Affcom's lack of response in Brazil's next steps

2018-10-14 Thread Chico Venancio
With another misleading public statement from Maor regarding the Brazilian
situation I would like to publicly ask Affcom to clarify what was
inaccurate in my report.

It would also be a good idea to have responses on the page Affcom created
over 2 months ago asking for questions and has abandoned without responses.
[1]

Chico Venancio
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps


Em dom, 14 de out de 2018 11:44, Maor Malul  escreveu:

> *Hello,*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * As AffCom, we appreciate the interest in the situation with Wikimedia
> Portugal that you have expressed on this thread. Our current focus is on
> working to understand and resolve the conflicts and issues related to
> Wikimedia Portugal, as well as attend to our other duties. However, we did
> want to send a message to this list to clarify some points. First, we would
> like to caution readers of this list against making conclusions regarding
> this particular situation based solely on the information that has been
> shared here. This thread does not present a complete and accurate picture
> of the situation in Portugal (or the situation in Brazil, for that matter).
> Though not comprehensive, we would like to provide a brief summary of the
> situation, based on the information AffCom has received. As has mostly been
> outlined previously in this thread, after WMPT’s years of inactivity,
> recently, multiple individuals have become involved trying to create
> activity and revitalize the chapter. However, those individuals have
> conflicted with each other. Things escalated quickly, with various
> accusations and threats being made. Earlier this year, AffCom was informed
> of the conflict by the parties and began communicating with the individuals
> involved. Despite AffCom's efforts to de-escalate the situation, certain
> individual actions have kept intensifying it. As the conflict was
> preventing the chapter from being able to engage in productive activity,
> AffCom took the step of suspension, with clear requirements for the chapter
> to meet to lift the suspension and avoid de-recognition. One of the larger
> issues that WMPT has had to address is the lack of clear leadership of the
> chapter following its two previous general assemblies. As detailed in the
> suspension notice, there were issues reported to AffCom related to both IX
> General Assembly (held on December 14, 2017) as well as X General Assembly
> (held on April 15, 2018). In both cases, the best information available to
> AffCom suggests that the meetings did not comply with the relevant portions
> of the Chapter's bylaws and may not have complied with applicable local
> laws. Wikimedia organizations are expected to fulfill all of their legal
> and organizational governance requirements. These issues prompted the
> requirement that WMPT convene a new assembly and elections process (held on
> September 1, 2018), with the goal of holding an assembly which clearly
> follows the relevant procedural requirements. Along with convening the
> assembly, WMPT has currently met the requirements based on the timeline set
> in the suspension notice from AffCom in July. They submitted their required
> materials on time, and now AffCom is reviewing them. However, AffCom has
> also received other information relating to the chapter's compliance with
> particular governance requirements. AffCom is currently evaluating this
> information along with the materials submitted by the chapter. AffCom will
> be in touch with the chapter regarding any additional information we need.
> We want to emphasize that Wikimedia Portugal is not being held to a
> different or higher standard compared to other chapters, but is being held
> to the standard expectations for chapter status. While we understand that
> monitoring of compliance with those expectations may have been less
> consistent in the past, we have been working in recent years to ensure that
> all chapters are meeting the same basic standards. When a chapter is not in
> compliance, there are several reminders and opportunities for correction in
> advance of suspension. We suspend a chapter only if it does not
> self-correct in response to the repeated reminders and/or warnings.  Once a
> chapter is suspended, we strive to provide a reasonable window for
> remediation. Wikimedia Portugal has been on the committee’s radar due to
> its years of minimal activity. As further conflict issues have surfaced,
> concerns over the group’s capacity have grown. The committee however has no
> wish to “kill” the community, but to ensure they are able to operate in a
> way that upholds Wikimedia movement values and expectations for affiliate
> organizations. A community cannot work effectively if its members are
> spending all th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-12 Thread Chico Venancio
I am not surprised by the lack of follow through by Affcom. In the
Brazilian case we were told a few times we met all requisites for chapter
recognition, but the existence of another user group in the country was
something they felt was enough to disqualify us until they figured out
their rules. Upon us insisting on a formal evaluation of our request we had
a promise of a site visit to make an evaluation, another promise that was
never fulfilled.

When I and others decided to report harassment the result was very much
worse. Affcom demanded, on less than a week notice, that an onperson
meeting with the reported harrasser and a few of the reported harassed.
Upon resistance to that plan, Affcom held separate meetings with each
group. Nonetheless did nothing to actually evaluate the matter and
maintained the position that we would not achieve chapter status despite
meeting the requirements. WMF trust and safety then had the brilliant idea
of pushing the harassment matter to Affcom, which did absolutely nothing
despite promising mediation and now stating a mediation has taken place.[1]
In fact, when we managed to secure a community led mediation, Affcom and
WMF managed to quickly torpedo it after the first meeting.

To be honest, I have very little hope for WMPT at this point, it is an
obviously manufactured crisis with sides that have acted in very different
ways but Affcom and WMF do not care. As Brazil did, Portugal is rocking the
boat, and Affcom does not tolerate boat rocking.

Chico Venancio

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps
Em sex, 12 de out de 2018 05:56, Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> escreveu:

> Since the first reports about Vasconcelos from WMPT to AffCom, before the
> 15 April General Assembly, we were asking AffCom for legal support to deal
> with the situation caused by Vasconcelos, as we are all volunteers and,
> unlike AffCom, we have no easy access to lawyers - or at least are unable
> to pay them. It was never provided. Instead, AffCom chose to put WMPT on
> the freezer for six months already, while continuously listening to the
> legal gibberish coming from the "other side", meaning Vasconcelos, a person
> that was repeatedly reported to AffCom for severe harassment against WMPT
> members. And during the whole process, AffCom was taking their own
> conclusions from that legal gibberish, and trying to reach a "middle point"
> between WMPT and Vasconcelos in a situation which is ruled by the law, like
> if that would ever be possible, or even advisable at all.
>
> We had to do everything by ourselves with our limited resources, without
> any legal support facilitated by AffCom. We have extensively read the
> country law and many court cases dealing with associations General
> Assemblies, we have informally consulted lawyers and jurisconsults, we have
> done the best we could to appease AffCom without breaking any country laws.
> But, to me, everything would have been incredibly much easier, clearer and
> smoother if AffCom had since the beginning requested the legal expertise we
> were asking for.
>
> But apparently, at last, after six months of this purgatory, we finally
> are on the right path.
>
> Regards,
> Paulo
>
> Em 12/10/2018 04:46, "Kirill Lokshin"  escreveu:
>
>> The Affiliations Committee has no intention whatsoever of changing the
>> process; rather, we are simply trying to determine whether the conditions
>> that we originally set out have in fact been met.
>>
>> It would, perhaps, have been easier for everyone if we could have done
>> this
>> without having to solicit specialized legal expertise, but  the
>> circumstances seem to have unfortunately precluded a procedure whose
>> validity is obvious from a simple reading of the applicable rules.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 8:17 PM Nathan  wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you for acknowledging the existence of this thread and the fact
>> that
>> > AffCom is still making some effort to bring the problem to a
>> resolution. It
>> > doesn't seem like it should be all that challenging, if one disputant
>> is a
>> > single individual and the other is a community of people led by those
>> for
>> > whom they have repeatedly expressed support.
>> >
>> > If, as described, AffCom laid out a procedure by which one side could
>> > legitimize itself and then decided to revoke that procedure after much
>> work
>> > by those trying to follow it... AffCom could acknowledge an error and
>> > apologize. That you have described your proposed next step is at least
>> > progress in the right direction.
>> >
>>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-25 Thread Chico Venancio
While I cannot speak to the legality of these actions, Affcom's demand that
we (Brazilian affiliates) meet with reported harassers was very troubling
to me. The fact that despite our agreement with that baffling condition no
actual mediation took place, Affcom refused to engage with communications,
and then issued false statements about this[1] is even more concerning.

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps

Chico Venancio

2018-09-25 19:42 GMT-03:00 Paulo Santos Perneta :

> Two illegal requests, to be more precise.
>
> Last 18 May, the AffCom demanded (by mail)  that the recently elected (15
> April) WMPT board stopped acting as such. However, under the Portuguese
> law, that board, which had been elected in a validated General Assembly,
> was the only valid board of the association, and the one responsible to
> fulfill the Association obligations with the Portuguese state. If they
> doubted that, they should have requested legal advice, instead of taking
> decisions over a subject they clearly did not understood.
>
> Last 11 June, the AffCom demanded (by hangout meeting) that a new General
> Assembly must be conveyed by what they called "a neutral party", namely the
> former head of the table of the General Assembly elected in 2015. That too
> is against the law. Under the Portuguese law, when there is a legally
> elected board in functions, as was the case, it's the board (or the head of
> the table of the General Assembly, in the name of the board) that conveys a
> General Assembly (Article 173º of the Portuguese Civil Code). A General
> Assembly cannot be called by some random person designed at will by some
> external body. If the WMPT had headed the AffCom demands, the recent
> General Assembly of 1 September (realized by AffCom imposition) would have
> been illegal under the country law, being conveyed by a party that had not
> any right to do that.
>
> Concerning the alleged (by the AffCom) lack of validity of the 15 April
> General Assembly, it was completely unfounded, as any lawyer knowledgeable
> of the Portuguese law could explain to them. It was with that General
> Assembly (and not with the one of 1 September, which was a mere imposition
> of the AffCom, with almost no practical value) that WMPT submitted its tax
> form (Modelo 22) for the 2017 fiscal year, updated the names of the legal
> representatives of Wikimedia Portugal in the Revenue Services (Autoridade
> Tributária - Tax Authority), as well as regularized the access to the
> association bank account.
>
> Paulo
>
>
>
>
> Pine W  escreveu no dia terça, 25/09/2018 à(s) 22:01:
>
> >  I don't want affiliates to get a free pass to create problems or neglect
> > their responsibilities such as by failing to produce reports, misusing
> > trademarks, misappropriating funds, etc., and I am glad to see that
> AffCom
> > is taking action when it thinks that there are problems. However, I am
> > concerned that AffCom may currently have some internal issues that should
> > be addressed.
> >
> > As far as I know, AffCom hasn't shared its explanations for some of these
> > actions in public, which places limits on the public's ability to
> evaluate
> > AffCom's choices, but the actions being described in this thread give me
> > cause for concern. Included in those concerns is the claim that AffCom
> made
> > an illegal request of an affiliate. I would expect AffCom to do legal
> > research (probably done by WMF Legal on Affcom's behalf) before making
> > requests. I would also expect that the WMF Board would ensure that AffCom
> > has access to any support that it needs, such as staff time from WMF
> Legal.
> >
> > Regarding whether a public warning letter from Affcom could lead to the
> end
> > of an affiliate, I can understand how a warning letter could concern
> > potential partner organizations, but given our choice of problems I think
> > that this is the lesser problem. I think that Affcom's actions, good and
> > bad, should be public in almost every case. If AffCom makes an error in
> > sending a warning letter, then hopefully the affiliate can explain the
> > situation to the partner organization. If a partner decides to
> discontinue
> > a relationship, that may be regrettable (especially if the warning letter
> > was erroneous) but hopefully the loss of a partnership would be a
> temporary
> > setback from which the affiliate can recover.
> >
> > I think that expecting perfection from anyone, whether AffCom or an
> > affiliate, would be expecting too much. Hopefully organizations and
> people
> > can be "net positives" and can be engaged in continuous learning

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Portugal General Assembly

2018-09-03 Thread Chico Venancio
I echo the request Affcom publish this decision and others in a more
transparent and expedient manner. Ideally that would include a brief
justification for the decisions as well, the movement should be informed
about the dealings of the Affiliations Committee.


Chico Venancio

2018-09-03 16:40 GMT-03:00 Paulo Santos Perneta :

> I second, and strongly support Pine's suggestion.
>
> Being the Affiliations Committee a community-run Wikimedia committee
> emanating from the Wikimedia Movement itself, transparency is to be
> expected whenever it is possible. As far as I know, there is nothing
> confidential in that resolution.
>
> Obscurity is the mother of all rumors, and we're dearly suffering from
> that.
>
> All the best,
>
> Paulo
>
> Pine W  escreveu no dia segunda, 3/09/2018 à(s)
> 19:18:
>
> > Hello Gonçalo,
> >
> > Thank you for this report.
> >
> > I would like to ask the Affiliations Committee to post the July 2018
> > resolution regarding Wikimedia Portugal to this mailing list and to
> publish
> > that resolution on Meta.
> >
> > I am an advocate for transparency about financial and governance matters,
> > which includes the activities of the Affiliations Committee. I request
> that
> > going forward, all similar resolutions from the Affiliations Committee
> > should be sent to Wikimedia-l and published on Meta within one week of
> > their approval by AffCom.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:56 AM GoEthe.wiki 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > As part of the roadmap AffCom agreed with us after they decided to
> > suspend
> > > some of our benefits within the Wikimedia Foundation programs
> > > (
> > >
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/private/wikimediapt/
> 2018-July/002625.html
> > > <
> > >
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/private/wikimediapt/
> 2018-July/002625.html
> > > >),
> > > Wikimedia Portugal held an Extraordinary General Assembly on the 1st of
> > > September, and a board was elected. This board is identical, with one
> > > exception, to the board elected in April of this year and that I
> > announced
> > > in a similar message (
> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-
> April/090073.html
> > ).
> > >
> > > The board is now composed of:
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >Gonçalo Themudo, president
> > >-
> > >
> > >André Barbosa, treasurer
> > >-
> > >
> > >Ana Cravo, secretary
> > >
> > >
> > > We also elected members for the other governing bodies of the chapter:
> > >
> > > General Assembly
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >Paulo Santos Perneta, president
> > >-
> > >
> > >Carlos Barradas, secretary
> > >-
> > >
> > >João Carvalho, member
> > >
> > > Fiscal Council
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > >Waldir Pimenta, president
> > >-
> > >
> > >Manuel de Sousa, secretary
> > >-
> > >
> > >João Lemos, member
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The general assembly also approved the financial statement of our
> annual
> > > report, which is published at
> > > https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Relatórios/Anual/2017. An English
> > > translation
> > > is provided at https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Relatórios/Anual/2017/en.
> > >
> > > The minutes of the meeting are available at
> > > https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reuni%C3%B5es/XI_Assembleia-Geral (in
> > > Portuguese only).
> > >
> > >
> > > We are currently working on the final step of the roadmap, which is a
> > plan
> > > for active contributor involvement and improved chapter capacity. The
> > first
> > > part is to gather signatures of at least 20 chapter members who are
> > active
> > > contributors to Wikimedia projects, which is currently underway at
> > >
> > >
> > https://pt.wikimedia.org/wiki/Utilizador:GoEThe/P%C3%A1gina_
> de_apoio_%C3%A0_Wikimedia_Portugal
> > > .
> > > We will keep you informed of the second part, once we have developed
> it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-06 Thread Chico Venancio
Indeed an special watered down privacy policy is strange. It is worth
noting that the standard privacy policy[1] does not state that it only
applies to "wiki based websites" but instead lists what it does and does
not cover[2], the only interpretation that allows a separate policy for the
new website weirdly leaves* https://wikimediafoundation.org/
<https://wikimediafoundation.org/> as being defined to not be a major site
of WMF. *

Irregardless of possible poor wording of both privacy policies, I find it
strange that the main website for WMF has a tracking pixel and forces
visitors to provide users' personal information (as defined by either
privacy policies) to Google and Wordpress.com.

Perhaps this is something WMF could revisit?

Best regards,
Chico Venancio

[1]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy
[2]https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy#coverage



2018-08-06 2:06 GMT-03:00 Yair Rand :

> There are several more issues I've noticed with the new website:
> * According to the notice at the bottom, the company "Automattic Inc." is
> receiving all sorts of data about all visitors to the site, including
> location information, cookie data, data from pixel tags/web beacons used to
> track visitors and target ads on other WordPress sites, and other data.
> * The "non-wiki privacy policy of the Wikimedia Foundation" linked at the
> bottom is different than the regular privacy policy. Why is this?
> * Much of the content is essentially English-Wikipedia-only. "Visit The
> Teahouse for a friendly place to learn about editing" Most Wikipedias don't
> have teahouses or equivalents.
> * In "Wikimedia projects": "Wikipedia - All the world's knowledge". See
> [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information]].
> * "Working with partners like Google, the Metropolitan Museum of Art, and
> UNESCO, Wikimedia...". I don't think most Wikimedians are okay with the WMF
> describing Google as among its partners. Nor the Met or UNESCO, for that
> matter.
> * In the "Technology" section, there's a paragraph devoted to bragging
> about how NASA has an internal Mediawiki wiki. I don't think that belongs
> there.
> * The actual Wikimedia Foundation Mission is kind of buried deep in the
> site. The Mission is the definitive version of what the WMF is supposed to
> be doing, and I really think it should be highlighted somewhere in a more
> prominent position.
>
> "The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and engage people
> around the world to collect and develop educational content under a free
> license or in the public domain, and to disseminate it effectively and
> globally.
>
> In collaboration with a network of chapters, the Wikimedia Foundation
> provides the essential infrastructure and an organizational framework for
> the support and development of multilingual wiki projects and other
> endeavors which serve this mission. The Foundation will make and keep
> useful information from its projects available on the Internet free of
> charge, in perpetuity."
>
> -- Yair Rand
>
> 2018-08-03 17:12 GMT-04:00 Andy Mabbett :
>
> > On 2 August 2018 at 02:51, Gregory Varnum  wrote:
> >
> > > You can check it out for yourself here (you may need to clear your
> > browser's cache):  https://wikimediafoundation.org/
> >
> > The home page currently says:
> >
> >" Everything on a Wikimedia site is available as Creative Commons
> > material. "
> >
> > That is not true. Material includes:
> >
> > * PD content (copyright expires; US government, etc)
> > * Fair-use copyright material.
> >
> > In the latter case, suggesting otherwise could be harmful to our users.
> >
> >
> > Furthermore, the "Sesame Street" image used on the site's home page
> > and the linked article, is labelled on Commons: "This work might not
> > be available under a free license in the United States because it is
> > based on an artwork or sculpture that may be protected by copyright
> > under U.S. law."
> >
> > --
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of Wikipedia Zero

2018-07-05 Thread Chico Venancio
I had similar contacts from Angolan users in Facebook. WMF previously
stated it would not renew ongoing agreements for Wikipedia Zero, it seems
the agreements with Angolan providers have expired recently. It would
indeed be nice to have a more detailed timetable of when each agreement
will expire for this program.

Best regards,

Chico Venancio

2018-06-30 14:35 GMT-03:00 Lucas Teles :

> Hello.
>
> On Portuguese Wikipedia Facebook page, I am receiving lots of messages
> asking if Wikipedia Zero is over. One of them stated that they were told by
> the internet service provider that WMF has cancelled the program.
>
> Do we have any official statement about it? I learnt that WZ would end this
> year, but I am looking for any accurate information in order to reply to
> the messages. Is it over for all the providers and countries? Is there
> something se should tell to the affected users?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Teles
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> Wikimedia Commons.
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] convert from BitCoin to FoldingCoin and other proofs of useful work

2018-04-11 Thread Chico Venancio
What would the expected energy savings be of such a move?
Accepting more cryptocurrencies may make sense if the foundation can do
that in a way that does not take a lot of effort. But to stop accepting
bitcoin seems counterproductive to our mission.


Chico Venancio

Em Ter, 10 de abr de 2018 18:46, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com>
escreveu:

> The Foundation has been accepting BitCoin donations. Unfortunately,
> BitCoin is very wasteful in terms of electricity, and is therefore a
> dirty cryptocurrency.
>
> I recommend that the Foundation immediately cease accepting BitCoin,
> and require donors who wish to donate in cryptocurrency to convert to
> FoldingCoin instead. Please see: FoldingCoin (FLDC)
> http://foldingcoin.net/ whitepaper:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y4MV9AwGLTRFqD-kjC4uN0AX59kHOpO1OWsabnxxUIs
>
> This conversion will place the Foundation at the forefront of
> cryptocurrency technology, and stop it from contributing to extremely
> dirty waste. As other cryptocurrencies based on proofs of useful work
> instead of useless work emerge, the Foundation should consider those.
> FoldingCoin is based on proofs of useful prediction of protein
> folding, which is useful for computer-aided antibody design, and used
> in turn for cancer therapies and many other applied and research
> medical fields.
>
> I also invite anyone in the community interested in co-authoring my
> forthcoming derivative whitepaper on proofs of useful intelligibility
> remediation work to contact me off-list, please. I am also willing to
> help with proofs of useful encyclopedia article improvement, but I am
> not certain if ORES is yet robust enough to support such proof in a
> secure fashion.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim Salsman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tool to help reaching community consensus

2017-12-07 Thread Chico Venancio
Loomio is free software as well, I guess you could host your own instance
if you find their interface preferable, though I don't think we could (or
should) achieve consensus to move decisions offwiki.

Chico Venancio

Em 7 de dez de 2017 10:17, "Philippe Beaudette" <phili...@beaudette.me>
escreveu:

Other than mediawiki, with some extensions?  I'm not trying to be snarky,
but there's not a ton on that page that can't be done with mediawiki.  :-)

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 4:51 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Saluton ĉiuj,
>
> Despite the fact that reaching community consensus is an easy task, I'm
> nonetheless wasting time at looking for tools which might help achieve
> that. I just red /4 simplaj ideoj por direkti vian komunumon al
> interkonsento/ <https://lasindias.blog/4-simplaj-ideoj-por-direkti-vian-
> komunumon-al-interkonsento#comments> (4 simple ideas to drive your
> community toward consensus, I'm not aware of an available translation)
> written by David de Ugarte <https://lasindias.blog/indian
> opedia/david-de-ugarte> (in Spanish), which point to Loomio <
> https://www.loomio.org/> as a possible tool for just that.
>
> Loomio offers free use for community cases. But it's non-free software, as
> far as I can see, but I didn't made deep inquiry. So I wondered if anyone
> was aware of a free software equivalent.
>
> Ĝis baldaŭ
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments

2017-11-13 Thread Chico Venancio
Congratulations to Jack and Olushola for their first appointment.
Congratulations Rosie, Tanweer, and Salvador for their re-appointment.
May your terms in Affcom be fruitful and not only keep up the good work
that has been done but also improve upon it.
Best regards from the Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil.
 
Parabéns ao Jack e ao Olushola por suas primeiras nomeações. Parabéns à
Rosie, ao Tanweer e ao Salvador por suas re-nomeações.
Que seus mandatos no Affcom sejam produtivos e não só mantenham o bom
trabalho que tem sido feito mas também o melhorem.
Cumprimentos do Grupo de Usuários da Comunidade Wikimedia no Brasil.
Chico Venancio

2017-11-12 20:06 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>:

> Congratulations to Jack and Olushola for their first appointment.
> Congratulations Rosie, Tanweer, and Salvador for their re-appointment.
> May your terms in Affcom be fruitful and not only keep up the good work
> that has been done but also improve upon it.
> Best regards from the Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil.
>  
> Parabéns ao Jack e ao Olushola por suas primeiras nomeações. Parabéns à
> Rosie, ao Tanweer e ao Salvador por suas re-nomeações.
> Que seus mandatos no Affcom sejam produtivos e não só mantenham o bom
> trabalho que tem sido feito mas também o melhorem.
> Cumprimentos do Grupo de Usuários da Comunidade Wikimedia no Brasil.
>
> Chico Venancio
>
> 2017-11-09 7:53 GMT-03:00 Jnanaranjan Sahu <gyana...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Congratulations Olushola and Jack.
>>
>> Regards,
>> *Jnanaranjan Sahu*
>> *Bhubaneswar*
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nurunnaby Hasive <
>> nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Congratulations Jack and Olushola!
>> > Congratulations Rosie, Tanweer, and Salvador for re-appointed!
>> >
>> >
>> > Hasive
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Raphael Berchie <rberc...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Congrats Shola. Wish you all the best.
>> > >
>> > > *Raphael Berchie*
>> > > Co Founder Open Foundation, West Africa, Wikipedian-in-Residence (Wiki
>> > > Loves Women)  <http://www.wikiloveswomen.org/about-the-project/who/>
>> > > Wikimedian <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Ghana>,Open
>> > > Advocate, Climate
>> > > Change Activist,Blogger <http://rberchie.blogspot.com/>
>> > > P.O Box CT 10469
>> > > Cantoments Accra
>> > > Ghana
>> > > +233243882047
>> > > Twitter@berchie4gh <https://twitter.com/berchie4gh>
>> > > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/berchie>
>> > > Linkedin
>> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-berchie-32705822?trk=
>> > > nav_responsive_tab_profile>
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Chris Keating <
>> > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Congrats to Jack and Olushola! I am sure you will do a great job.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kirill – I know this last round of recruitment started some time ago
>> > (in
>> > > > June?) – do you expect the next round to run any more quickly?
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > >  Chris
>> > > >
>> > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> > > >
>> > > > From: Kirill Lokshin
>> > > > Sent: 08 November 2017 17:03
>> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Movement Affiliates discussion
>> > list
>> > > > Subject: [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi everyone,
>> > > >
>> > > > A bit delayed, but we are happy to share that Olaniyan Olushola and
>> > Jack
>> > > > Farah Mustaklem have appointed to the Affiliations Committee as new
>> > > > members.  In addition, three incumbent members (Rosie
>> > > > Stephenson-Goodknight, Tanweer Morshed and Salvador Alcantar) have
>> been
>> > > > re-appointed for an additional term.
>> > > >
>> > > > Here are Olushola and Farah, or Jack, in their own words:
>> > > >
>> > > > Jack Farah Mustaklem:
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm a Palestinian volunteer editor on Wikipedia from Jerusalem, and
>> > > > Founding member and  treasurer of Wikimedians of the Levant User
>> Group,
>> > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments

2017-11-13 Thread Chico Venancio
Congratulations to Jack and Olushola for their first appointment.
Congratulations Rosie, Tanweer, and Salvador for their re-appointment.
May your terms in Affcom be fruitful and not only keep up the good work
that has been done but also improve upon it.
Best regards from the Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil.
 
Parabéns ao Jack e ao Olushola por suas primeiras nomeações. Parabéns à
Rosie, ao Tanweer e ao Salvador por suas re-nomeações.
Que seus mandatos no Affcom sejam produtivos e não só mantenham o bom
trabalho que tem sido feito mas também o melhorem.
Cumprimentos do Grupo de Usuários da Comunidade Wikimedia no Brasil.

Chico Venancio

2017-11-09 7:53 GMT-03:00 Jnanaranjan Sahu <gyana...@gmail.com>:

> Congratulations Olushola and Jack.
>
> Regards,
> *Jnanaranjan Sahu*
> *Bhubaneswar*
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Nurunnaby Hasive <nhas...@wikimedia.org.bd
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations Jack and Olushola!
> > Congratulations Rosie, Tanweer, and Salvador for re-appointed!
> >
> >
> > Hasive
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Raphael Berchie <rberc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats Shola. Wish you all the best.
> > >
> > > *Raphael Berchie*
> > > Co Founder Open Foundation, West Africa, Wikipedian-in-Residence (Wiki
> > > Loves Women)  <http://www.wikiloveswomen.org/about-the-project/who/>
> > > Wikimedian <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Ghana>,Open
> > > Advocate, Climate
> > > Change Activist,Blogger <http://rberchie.blogspot.com/>
> > > P.O Box CT 10469
> > > Cantoments Accra
> > > Ghana
> > > +233243882047
> > > Twitter@berchie4gh <https://twitter.com/berchie4gh>
> > > Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/berchie>
> > > Linkedin
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/raphael-berchie-32705822?trk=
> > > nav_responsive_tab_profile>
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Chris Keating <
> > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Congrats to Jack and Olushola! I am sure you will do a great job.
> > > >
> > > > Kirill – I know this last round of recruitment started some time ago
> > (in
> > > > June?) – do you expect the next round to run any more quickly?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >  Chris
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> > > >
> > > > From: Kirill Lokshin
> > > > Sent: 08 November 2017 17:03
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Movement Affiliates discussion
> > list
> > > > Subject: [Affiliates] New Affiliations Committee appointments
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > A bit delayed, but we are happy to share that Olaniyan Olushola and
> > Jack
> > > > Farah Mustaklem have appointed to the Affiliations Committee as new
> > > > members.  In addition, three incumbent members (Rosie
> > > > Stephenson-Goodknight, Tanweer Morshed and Salvador Alcantar) have
> been
> > > > re-appointed for an additional term.
> > > >
> > > > Here are Olushola and Farah, or Jack, in their own words:
> > > >
> > > > Jack Farah Mustaklem:
> > > >
> > > > I'm a Palestinian volunteer editor on Wikipedia from Jerusalem, and
> > > > Founding member and  treasurer of Wikimedians of the Levant User
> Group,
> > > and
> > > > the representative in Palestine. I have been a Wikimedian since 2005,
> > > > editing both the English and Arabic Wikipedias. I have a passion for
> > the
> > > > free dissemination of knowledge. Most recently, I have been
> > coordinating
> > > > activities of the Wikipedia Education Program in Palestine, at both
> the
> > > > high school and university levels. Outside of the movement, Jack is
> an
> > > > advocate of free knowledge, a software engineer, and a father of
> three.
> > > >
> > > > Olaniyan Olushola:
> > > >
> > > > My name is Olaniyan Olushola, an accountant by profession, founding
> > > member
> > > > and president of Wikimedia User Group Nigeria.[1] I am an active
> > > Wikimedian
> > > > and member of the community with various contributions to Wikimedia
> > > > projects. I have organized several Wikimedia project in the last few
> > > years.
> > > > I organi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-06 Thread Chico Venancio
Ended up with out the links, sorry:
[1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html
[2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118
[3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24

Chico Venancio

2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>:

> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious
> lies.*
>
> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]
>
> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil that
> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with either
> myself or João.
>
> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not only
> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.
>
> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not want
> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user group,
> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
> facebook thread.
>
> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only makes
> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of good
> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.
>
> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,
>
> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,
>
> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)
>
> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <henriquedeandr...@gmail.com
> >:
>
>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write
>> the
>> story below.
>>
>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted down
>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and
>> the
>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a
>> "member"
>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
>> username Joalpe.
>>
>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing me
>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from Joalpe
>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I CCBWIKI
>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which he
>> is a co-author.
>>
>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu Brazil
>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site the
>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
>> license.
>>
>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki
>> Edu
>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
>> (CEPID N

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-06 Thread Chico Venancio
To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious lies.*

The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1]
Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy
allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2]

Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil that
has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and
myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of another
user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with either
myself or João.

That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the
university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not only
impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation
agreements with the "user group" were this comes from.

On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our
members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not want
his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was on
more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki
Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of actually
using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user group,
Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed
psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a public
facebook thread.

The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly invalid
for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors of
the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly states
that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license and
remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront to
his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the user
banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was not
given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only makes
the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of good
faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the
"User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João.

Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement,

Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment,

Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio)

2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade <henriquedeandr...@gmail.com>:

> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to write the
> story below.
>
> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted down
> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and the
> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a "member"
> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses the
> username Joalpe.
>
> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing me
> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from Joalpe
> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I CCBWIKI
> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper which he
> is a co-author.
>
> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a
> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF
> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading
> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In the
> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu Brazil
> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was bothered
> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site the
> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0
> license.
>
> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days
> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the Wiki Edu
> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have
> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research,
> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São Paulo
> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski.
>
> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the texts
> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the
> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish it,
> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that we
> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to CCBWIKI,
> where it would have been originally published.
>
> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not only was
> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication could
> not have its permission

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

2017-10-05 Thread Chico Venancio
I opened devtools here and this is what I could gather,

bywiki.com seems to be a very thin layer over wikimedia itself. The first
calls are to bywiki domain (and seem to be actually cached from wikimedia
servers with some extra added code, including added advertisement with a
bidvertiser script).

Many js scripts make calls directly to wikimedia servers, including scripts
to check for session validity and sessions from other projects. While it
does not seem malicious, I don't trust due to the lack of an explanation
and trademark violation issues.

Their ips seem to be globally blocked, the calls to edit will be seem from
wikimedia servers as coming from them and are (all the times I tested,
blocked).


Chico Venancio

2017-10-05 13:41 GMT-03:00 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>:

> To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put
> together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus
> the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user
> name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we
> can get the site to address these issues.
>
> James
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk
> > pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is
> > present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how
> > well editing works.
> >
> > This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that
> > they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> wrote:
> >> On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar <swapnil@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> copy of Hindi
> >>> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
> >>> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
> >>>
> >>> https://hi.bywiki.com
> >>
> >> Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/
> Main_Page
> >>
> >> bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
> >> Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
> >>
> >>https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
> >>
> >> This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
> >> case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presentation of Wikimédia France new Board members

2017-09-26 Thread Chico Venancio
Dear members of Wikimedia France,
The Wikimedia Community User Group Brazil sends its warmest regards and
best wishes for the new moment of Wikimedia France that you have shared
with us. We have followed the situation with the French community and
believe that the General Assembly and the election of new board members are
of utmost importance.
We hope we will have the opportunity to develop projects together in the
near future.
Warm regards!

--
Chères et chers membres de Wikimédia France,
Le Groupe des éditeurs de la communauté Wikimédia au Brésil vous envoie
depuis les tropiques toutes les énergies positives pour que cette nouvelle
étape dont vous nous faites part soit un vrai succès. Nous avons suivi
attentivement la situation dans la communauté française et sommes certains
que l'Assemblée générale et l'élection  de nouveaux membres du conseil ont
été un moment d'énorme importance pour aboutir à un résultat positif pour
la communauté.
Nous espérons avoir l'occasion de développer des projets ensembles dans un
futur prochain.
Amitiés!


Chico Venancio
(+55 98) 9 8800 2743

2017-09-25 5:49 GMT-03:00 Tanweer Morshed <wiki.tanw...@gmail.com>:

> Goodluck to the elected board members. It's great to see WMFR moving
> forward out of the persistent trouble. All the best :)
>
> On Monday, September 25, 2017, Pierre-Selim <pierre-se...@huard.info>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Nadine for the update,
> >
> > Kudos to all the newly elected board and lots of courage for the months
> to
> > come.
> > It won't be easy, but it will be interesting.
> >
> > 2017-09-25 6:49 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com <javascript:;>>:
> >
> > > Dear Nadine,
> > >
> > > As a member of Wikimedia France and a Wikimedian, I want to thank you
> for
> > > your two last mails on behalf of the WMFR board. While reading you, I
> > feel
> > > confident that we have wonderful people to overcome past turmoil, and I
> > > also feel very grateful that you wrote back to the chapters offering
> > > support.
> > >
> > > We are a global movement, and knowledge is not something that remains
> > > stuck at the boarders, fortunately!
> > >
> > > Good luck to all board members, past and new.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Natacha / Nattes à chat
> > >
> > > > Le 24 sept. 2017 à 17:59, Nadine Le Lirzin <nlelir...@wikimedia.fr
> > <javascript:;>> a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Here is a brief presentation of the six new Board members elected on
> > > > September 9, plus one appointment decided by the previous Board and
> > > > ratified during this same Exceptional General Assembly called on
> > > > request of Wikimédia
> > > > France members.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > — Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb), 37, is a communication consultant,
> > > > WikiCheese evangelist, taphophile and member of the Association for
> 10
> > > > years. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Kropotkine_113 is 40 years old and is a teacher. Wikimedian for
> more
> > > than
> > > > 10 years, he has already been a Board member of Wikimedia France in
> > > > 2011-2012, during the first phase of professionalization of the
> > > > association. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Charlotte Matoussowsky, 26, is a translator and a lecturer. She
> > joined
> > > > WMFr in 2011 and mostly edits Wikipedia. Her appointment runs until
> > > October
> > > > 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Nadine Le Lirzin lives in Paris and translates works of philology
> and
> > > > literary criticism, as well as political, ethical and moral
> philosophy.
> > > She
> > > > has been a Wikipedian for almost ten years and joined the Association
> > in
> > > > 2009. Her appointment runs until October 2018.
> > > >
> > > > — Kvardek du, 22, has been contributing to Wikimedia projects for 7
> > years
> > > > and organizes events like Art+Feminism editathons in Paris. Their PhD
> > > > research focuses on operational management in transportation. Their
> > > > appointment runs until October 2017.
> > > >
> > > > — Lucas Lévêque, 29, a librarian and a passionate wiktionarist,
> arrived
> > > in
> > > > the association in 2014. He co-founded Lingua Libre and he registers
> &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Peru User Group

2017-04-25 Thread Chico Venancio
Congratulations, welcome to the affiliates.

Hope we can work on projects and contribute together.

Hugs from Brazil,

Chico Venancio
User Group Wikimedia Comunity Brasil


Em 26 de abr de 2017 00:51, "Anna Torres" <d...@wikimedia.org.ar> escreveu:

Welcome to the Wikimedia movement!

Can't wait to start working with you!!

Hugs from Argentina!

2017-04-26 0:25 GMT-03:00 Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>  the Wikimedians of Peru User Group [1] as a Wikimedia User Group.  The
> group will work to promote the Wikimedia projects in Peru, and plans to
> support events, such as edit-a-thons, in the region.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedistas_de_Perú
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-08 Thread Chico Venancio
Yaroslav,

What did you wish to see in the Track B discussions that was absent thus
far? Have you read the strategy portal? Specifically the process page and
the audit of past processes?
To doom a process from its beginning stages to failure on an unknown reason
is, at least, extremely hasty. Please involve yourself and others in the
strategy discussion in a constructive manner. This is just beginning.
Cheers,

Chico Venancio


Em 8 de abr de 2017 07:45, "Yaroslav Blanter" <ymb...@gmail.com> escreveu:

Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully travelling.
May be we will have another opportunity.

However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a failure.

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy
> discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer
> documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a
> pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and
> depending on your point of view, because of or in spite of their presence
> there were some really fruitful discussions. I say because of or in spite
> of their presence since they were in their own "track" at the conference
> and not in the "strategy track" that I was in, so I am not exactly clear
on
> their contribution other than to arrange local meetups.  Yaroslav, if you
> want I can quickly take you through the documents that impressed me
> personally the most. I know you are really busy with stuff in real life
but
> you care about future of the art & architecture stuff and things like
> copyright issues. If you can't make the Utrecht strategy meetup on 15
April
> then maybe we can do a skype call or arrange a Leiden meetup.
> https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag
>
> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I was in Berlin and participated in the strategy track for the three
> days.
> > The process was very open used open space approach such that at the end
> of
> > days 1 & 2 all I could say is that its been an interesting and thought
> > provoking sessions because that was how the process was running.  At the
> > end of day three the information from the first two days helped us to
> > discuss a number thermatic statements.  If anyone came out of those
three
> > days claiming a clear strategy for the next 15 years they'd be lying,
the
> > process has just begun and the best thing everyone can do is get
involved
> > in every step along the way,. It a big task to properly undertake and it
> > will take considerable  time along with lots of good faith.  See the
> > attached photo thats just the notes from one 2 hours session all of
which
> > is being captured and will be reported on shortly.
> >
> > WMF, WMDE and the Strategy team worked wonders with this process in
> Berlin,
> > the plans ahead to bring in even more input discussions will be amazing
> >
> > On 7 April 2017 at 20:14, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Guillaume,
> > >
> > > the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per
> se,
> > > nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that
> the
> > > previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the
> strategy
> > > wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and
> created a
> > > critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and
> > > eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the
> > > discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of
> them
> > > are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents).
I
> > > understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their
own
> > > language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns
> out
> > > that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not
> > happening,
> > > just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In
> addition,
> > > since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to
discuss
> > the
> > > strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not
> interested
> > in
> > > going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that
even
> > > discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect
the
> > > critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means
> > Track 2
> > > Cycle 1 is likely to produc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-18 Thread Chico Venancio
Pine,
Of course we could benefit from consolidation and pruning of communication
channels. This has been the case for at least a decade, how to do that
without alienating part of the community that uses the pruned channels is a
very difficult task, however.
Nevertheless, this does not mean one can claim he did not get involved with
an issue because it was communicated too many times over too many places,
or rather, though one can claim that it is unlikely he will be taken
seriously.

Chico Venancio

2017-03-18 18:52 GMT-03:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:

> My point is more or less the same one that you're making. Communications
> (too much and too little) and information overload are both challenges. I
> don't think there's going to be a silver bullet solution, but I hope that
> WMF will invest effort into addressing this set of problems during the next
> Annual Plan. Some of this is WMF-specific, but some of it also relates to
> how we've organized ourselves in the community through organic growth and
> over time we've developed so many channels that one wonders if we would
> benefit from some consolidation and pruning.
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 2:15 PM, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > You mean, "how to deal with people who complain they weren't consulted
> > then turn around and complain they were excessively consulted"? At
> > this point, the appropriate thing would be to put forward a plausible
> > solution rather than complain they did the thing you claimed they
> > hadn't sufficiently done.
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 18 March 2017 at 20:39, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > That last paragraph assumes that people (1) know where to look and (2)
> > have
> > > hours to spend watching countless channels for announcements. On the
> > other
> > > hand, there's also a problem of burying people in so many
> announcements,
> > > surveys, and consultations that people start to tune it all out. This
> is
> > > part of a larger set of communications and "information overload"
> > problems
> > > that I'm hoping that WMF will address, particularly during its next
> > Annual
> > > Plan.
> > >
> > > Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help! Can't save on any Wikipedia

2017-02-21 Thread Chico Venancio
I have experienced this as well. For the problem went away when I restarted
the browser and logged out then logged in again. I'm not sure if this is a
local browser issue or if the session data got messed up server-side, but
getting a new session was the only way to solve it for me.

Chico Venancio

2017-02-21 16:16 GMT-03:00 Enock Seth Nyamador <kwadzo...@gmail.com>:

> Hello Wikimedians,
>
> Saw the message in this image [1] one week ago but didn't take it serious.
> Now it seems to be real. I can't Save. The screenshot [1] show messages
> from frwp and enwp when I tried to save my changes.
>
> Yes, I've tried logging in and out several times.
>
> Best,
>
> 1. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B99n1pG7IHtJdy1VeFZXX19HYTQ/view
>
> - Enock
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook marketing inside pt.wikipedia

2016-02-19 Thread Chico Venancio
Rodrigo,

I really don't mean to be negative, but the appropriate forum to discuss
the merits of the decision is in the topic open in wikipt about it. About
the form, using sitenotice for external social media reach, I can see a
reasoning to debate this here, but discussing if it is/will be effective
seems out place. This decision should be, and seemly will continue to be, a
community decision.
Excuse-me if I read too much into the message.

Best regards,
Chico Venancio
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