[Wikimedia-l] Re: Foundation org chart

2021-07-10 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Bill/Will mentioned this might be a new organisational chart
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_chart>of the Wikimedia
Foundation. Of course, visuals differ depending on what you are trying to
visualize.

This one
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimedia_structure_and_government_-_Community_Content_Moderation_and_the_DSA.pdf=6>
for instance would be more along the lines of what you, Dgg, are
mentioning: how the different parties are involved in our projects. This one
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimedia_structure_and_government_-_Community_Content_Moderation_and_the_DSA.pdf=12>
would be more about how content on the projects is governed, and the
different layers in responsibilities we have. This one
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Educatie_Universiteit_van_Amsterdam_14_november_2017.pdf=31>
is more about how content is added to projects (example in this case:
Wikimedia Commons): this is
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Wikimedia_structure_and_government_-_Community_Content_Moderation_and_the_DSA.pdf=7>
a visualisation on the parties that re-use our content outside of the
projects.

It would probably be impractical (or impossible even?) to put *everything*
in* one* visual without the purpose of the illustration becoming too broad,
and the chart or visual therefore surpassing its purpose (visual support
for a concept).

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op vr 9 jul. 2021 om 23:16 schreef Dggenwp :

> The projects are the route by  which content is added to Wikipedia. The
> purpose of Wikipedia is not to have an organisation—the purpose  is to have
> and distribute free content. Everything else is superstructure—everything
> except the individual volunteers and the projects. This superstructure can
> be important, but not essential — the volunteers are capable of organising
> themselves and maintaining the projects. The foundation by itself is
> capable of almost nothing, as it doesn’t add content. The chapters are of
> value, primarily in recruiting contributors—without that, they’d just be
> social clubs.
>
> The volunteers and the projects to which they add content are what
> matters. The three key functions of the organisation are maintaining
> MediaWiki  (but that’s a volunteer effort also) in raising the small amount
> of essential funding, and the critically important political work of
> supporting freedom of the internet and of speech more generally. But our
> influence for this is because people in the world use the content the
> volunteers add to the projects. The structure must be organised around
> them. We are here to build an encyclopaedia.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2021, at 12:59 AM, Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 6, 2021, Ciell Wikipedia 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Bill, I always find organisation charts very much enlightening,
>> and have been missing something like it for the WMF for some time now.
>>
>
> I feel the same. We need much much more of diagramatic content and higher
> level of organizational understanding for all Wikimedia contributors.
>
>
>
>> I think all the departments of the WMF-side are equal, right? For
>> instance, legal has no higher 'status' then fundraising or research:
>> employees are equals, just with a different function in the
>> organisation.Therefore all the different departments should be presented in
>> a horizontal line, not a vertical one, like in this one
>> <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Organisational_Chart.JPG> for
>> example.
>>
>
> Kind of good point, but maybe scale (same size) is enough to represent
> equals, rather than direction/orientation? Not an expert.
>
> BTW.
> .svg file export would be best
> for the posibility of translation
> within Wikimedia Commons ;-)
>
>
> Best, Z.
>
>
>> Vriendelijke groet,
>> Ciell
>>
>>
>> Op di 6 jul. 2021 om 01:03 schreef Bill Takatoshi <
>> billtakato...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Earlier today I tried to predict what the WMF org chart will look
>>> like, but I wasn't confident about my suggestion, so I created a new
>>> email account, subscribed it to wikimedia-l, and tried to send from
>>> there. I learned that new subscribers are moderated, which seems
>>> sensible given the level of trolling and disruption, and have since
>>> improved the prediction and become more confident about it. I have
>>> since learned that HTML email with embedded email attachments aren't
>>> allowed either, so, Moderators, please reject my earlier anonymous
>>> submission(s).
>>>
>>> This is what I predict the Wikimedia organizational chart 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Foundation org chart

2021-07-06 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Thank you Bill, I always find organisation charts very much enlightening,
and have been missing something like it for the WMF for some time now.

I think all the departments of the WMF-side are equal, right? For instance,
legal has no higher 'status' then fundraising or research: employees are
equals, just with a different function in the organisation.Therefore all
the different departments should be presented in a horizontal line, not a
vertical one, like in this one
 for
example.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op di 6 jul. 2021 om 01:03 schreef Bill Takatoshi :

> Earlier today I tried to predict what the WMF org chart will look
> like, but I wasn't confident about my suggestion, so I created a new
> email account, subscribed it to wikimedia-l, and tried to send from
> there. I learned that new subscribers are moderated, which seems
> sensible given the level of trolling and disruption, and have since
> improved the prediction and become more confident about it. I have
> since learned that HTML email with embedded email attachments aren't
> allowed either, so, Moderators, please reject my earlier anonymous
> submission(s).
>
> This is what I predict the Wikimedia organizational chart will look
> like in one year's time:
>
>  https://i.ibb.co/HPzpqLt/WMF-orgchart.png
>
> Please critique it! If you are running for the Board of Directors, I
> am especially interested in your critique of this prediction.
>
> Thank you!
>
> -Will
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join “CEE Spring” on Wikipedia to help discover Ukraine to the world

2021-05-08 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi Yaroslav,

Is there a (online) source for the new administrative divisions we can base
our edits on?
I'm sure several people across different languages on this list would like
to help out with the updates.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op vr 7 mei 2021 om 17:38 schreef Yaroslav Blanter :

> Not to undermine an importance of creation of new articles, but to note
> that after the reform of the administrative divisions of Ukraine in July
> 2020 dozens, if not hundreds of thousands of articles across many projects
> now contain wrong information (well, not up-to-date information). In the
> English Wikipedia, I was correcting it pretty much single-handedly since
> the last year, and I will probably finish correcting it by the end of this
> year (though occasionally I see people reverting me saying "information is
> redundant" or smth similar). I see that on all other projects, including
> Ukrainian and Russian Wikipedias which I would normally expect to take the
> lead, the articles about Ukrainian localities still contain this outdated
> information. I do not really expect to be acknowledged for this (looks like
> almost nobody cares), but a bit of attention to already existing articles
> would probably not harm.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 4:16 PM Anton Protsiuk <
> anton.prots...@wikimedia.org.ua> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> By the end of May, we at Wikimedia Ukraine invite everyone to join CEE
>> Spring (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CEE_Spring_2021) to
>> help discover Ukraine to the world.
>>
>> The contest is devoted to improving Wikipedia content about Central and
>> Eastern Europe across multiple languages; the Central & Eastern European
>> community of Wikimedians has organized it every year since 2015.
>>
>> Of course, you can write about many different CEE countries and regions
>> within the contest, but we at Wikimedia Ukraine are planning to send
>> special souvenirs for most active contributors to articles about Ukraine
>> specifically ;)
>>
>> For the first time, we prepared the top-10 most important articles about
>> Ukraine that are missing (red links) for each CEE Wikipedia (
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=11313069) and the top-10 important
>> articles that are too short for each CEE Wikipedia (
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=11313068).
>>
>> And we also have the general top-100 list with important topics missing
>> in many Wikipedias: https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=10583331
>>
>> You can read the full announcement (and share it to help us spread the
>> world) here:
>> https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/05/06/join-cee-spring-on-wikipedia-to-help-discover-ukraine-to-the-world/
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Anton Protsiuk
>> Program Coordinator at Wikimedia Ukraine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community events office hours: February 11

2021-02-10 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
That was actually Karma punishing me through Rachel for calling Leila
''Lea'' on this same mailing list last Monday. 
No worries.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op wo 10 feb. 2021 om 19:51 schreef Ad Huikeshoven :

> Hi Rachel
>
> Ciell is spelled Ciell and not Ceill. Just saying. I have snother
> appointment tomorrow.
>
> Please tell be there will be a next Wikimania.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ad
>
> Op ma 8 feb. 2021 20:25 schreef Rachel Farrand :
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> The Wikimedia Foundation Community Events Team
>>  will
>> continue hosting monthly office hours for any community members who are
>> interested. This is a place where movement event organizers can join and
>> share ideas and lessons with each other for upcoming and past events.
>>
>> This iteration of the office hours will take place on February 11, 2021
>> at 19:00 UTC  and will last
>> for an hour. Find the link to join on meta
>> 
>>  or
>> email me directly if you would like to be added to the ongoing calendar
>> invite.
>>
>> *This months topics are:*
>>
>>- *Friendly Space Policy in a virtual context *(Léa and Cornelius)
>>- *International Womensday and gender gap activities *(Ceill)
>>- *Bring your own general questions and discussion *
>>
>> You can find more information about upcoming officer hours and add your
>> comments and questions here and on the talk page:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Events_team/OfficeHours
>>
>> Please pass this invite to others who may be interested in joining! We
>> hope to see you there!
>>
>> --
>> Rachel Farrand
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>> Community Events Team
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Final report on the Techstorm 2019

2021-02-09 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Thank you very much for your thoughts and suggestions Lea! I'll be sure to
pass them on to the rest of the team.

Personally, I think the strength of the Techstorm is its very personal
approach: this is where the Techstorm actually differs from a 'normal'
hackathon. I am afraid this will not work in an online environment and
would rather wait an extra few months to be able to organize it again as a
physical event.
I think the one thing we all are learning from COVID is to practise
patience: for some things there simply is no good online substitute.

But I am not the only person on the team, and this surely needs to be
discussed in a broader way.
WMNL is having an online Wiki Saturday this Saturday for all interested
volunteers about the activities in the annual plan, and this surely will be
a talking point.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op ma 8 feb. 2021 om 23:04 schreef Leila Zia :

> Hi Ciell,
>
> I did a pass over your report and I want to share a few thoughts with
> you and the rest of the team.
>
> * First: Thank you so much for organizing another Techstorm in 2019
> and writing/sharing this report. Increasing the diversity of those who
> choose to participate in the Wikimedia projects is important and your
> knowledge sharing is immensely helpful.
>
> * 63 participants is a really good number. Congratulations! I also
> appreciate that you set a high bar for the target distribution of
> attendees. Ambitious (but not over-ambitious) targets can help us grow
> and learn. One thing we learned (in 2020) when organizing Wiki
> Workshop [1] was that when there is no fee for registration, we get
> twice the actual number of participants registering. Something you can
> consider is to allow for more registrations than what you can
> physically accommodate (to a limit), with the understanding that there
> will always be some no-shows/cancellations.
>
> * I have a suggestion for how you conduct the survey: consider doing
> it during the event and dedicating 15-min time to it. I understand
> some people may prefer to take their time and do it later, but by
> asking people to do it right there, you may get a higher response
> rate. (Chasing folks after the event for surveys is not fun for either
> side.;)
>
> * Core organizing team size: Looking at the 2019 team, I totally agree
> with you. A few more volunteers at the core level will be very
> helpful. They also can make it more fun as you can bounce ideas
> back-and-forth with them and collaborate. :)
>
> * For 2021: consider a virtual event if a physical one is not possible
> and if you have bandwidth to work on it. A lot of people are isolated
> because of the pandemic and they look forward to finding ways to
> connect with others, learn new skills, etc.
>
> I want to close this email by thanking you all again. I also want to
> thank you personally, Ciell, for the spirit of collaboration and fun
> you bring to the projects you get involved in, and your dedication to
> community building. What you all are doing is not easy, especially as
> numbers won't do justice to the impact of the work. Thank you for
> keeping up and organizing this event.
>
> If there is something I can do to support you, please reach out.
>
> Best,
> Leila
>
>
> [1] https://wikiworkshop.org/
>
> --
> Leila Zia
> Head of Research
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:56 AM Ciell Wikipedia
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It gives me great pleasure to (finally) share with you the evaluation
> report of the Techstorm* 2019. Though the Techstorm was organized in
> November 2019, other priorities came to play for the organisational team
> due to the global pandemic, but over the past festive season and after, we
> finally found the time to finish up our evaluation report.
> >
> > Please go to the pdf-file on Commons to read more about the vision
> behind the Techstorm, the goals of the event, our metrics and, last but not
> least, our lessons learned.
> >
> > A new Techstorm 2021 is in the Dutch chapters' annual plan, but if Covid
> regulations will not permit these gatherings we will ask WMNL to include a
> Techstorm in the annual plan 2022.
> >
> > Keep techstorming every one!
> >
> > Vriendelijke groet,
> > Ciell
> >
> > * Techstorming is like brainstorming in a technical environment. The
> Wiki Techstorm 2019 was held in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on the 22nd &
> 23rd of November 2019.
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[Wikimedia-l] Final report on the Techstorm 2019

2021-02-08 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi all,

It gives me great pleasure to (finally) share with you the evaluation
report of the *Techstorm* 2019*. Though the Techstorm was organized in
November 2019, other priorities came to play for the organisational team
due to the global pandemic, but over the past festive season and after, we
finally found the time to finish up our evaluation report.

Please go to the pdf-file on Commons

to read more about the vision behind the Techstorm, the goals of the event,
our metrics and, last but not least, our lessons learned.

A new Techstorm 2021 is in the Dutch chapters' annual plan, but if Covid
regulations will not permit these gatherings we will ask WMNL to include a
Techstorm in the annual plan 2022.

Keep techstorming every one!

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell

* *Techstorming* is like brainstorming in a technical environment. The Wiki
Techstorm 2019  was held in
Amsterdam, the Netherlands, on the *22nd & 23rd of November 2019*.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] NEW Instructional website for Arabic WP editors and writers!‏

2020-10-14 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
I absolutely love the very clear accessibility options-fold out on the left!
This should serve as an example for our other websites. 

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op wo 14 okt. 2020 om 18:01 schreef Rajeeb :

> Hello Michal,
>
> Hope my mail finds you in the best of health and spirit. Thanks for your
> mail and letting us know the wonderful work you are doing.
> Inspiring us as always.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Namaste,
> Rajeeb.
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 22:01, Sailesh Patnaik 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Michal,
>>
>> This is an amazing initiative, thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Best!
>> Sailesh
>> *Sailesh Patnaik *"*ଶୈଳେଶ ପଟ୍ଟନାୟକ**"*
>> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sailesh-patnaik-551a10b4
>> *Twitter*: @saileshpat
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 7:34 PM Michal Lester 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear all,
>> >
>> > I am writing to share some good news! After two years of brainstorming
>> and
>> > planning, our instructional website in Arabic is out! This is yet
>> another
>> > step for Wikimedia Israel in developing instructional tools.
>> >
>> > We’re thrilled to introduce Wiki Warsha ويكي ورشة <
>> http://wikiwarsha.org/
>> > >!
>> >
>> > Wikiwarsha.org  is a multimedia instructional
>> > website designed to introduce Wikipedia to Arabic readers, to invite new
>> > editors to write and edit content on Arabic Wikipedia, to assist
>> teachers
>> > in school activities, and instructors in editing workshops.
>> >
>> > Warsha is the Arabic word for ‘workshop’, the website includes short
>> > instructional films, texts and images and is divided into 13 informative
>> > and instructional lessons:
>> >
>> >
>> >-
>> >
>> >Wikipedia homepage structure
>> >-
>> >
>> >About Wikipedia articles
>> >-
>> >
>> >Create account
>> >-
>> >
>> >Sign in to a registered account
>> >-
>> >
>> >Create a userpage
>> >-
>> >
>> >Create a new article
>> >-
>> >
>> >Edit an article
>> >-
>> >
>> >Formatting the article
>> >-
>> >
>> >Request edits approval on Arabic Wikipedia
>> >-
>> >
>> >Adding image
>> >-
>> >
>> >Adding internal and external links
>> >-
>> >
>> >Adding references
>> >-
>> >
>> >Adding categories
>> >
>> > In addition to those lessons, the website contains informative sections
>> > about copyright issues, FAQs, good article criteria, and talk pages,
>> all in
>> > order to facilitate understanding how Wikipedia communities function.
>> >
>> > For further details and info:
>> >
>> > war...@wikimedia.org.il
>> >
>> > Michal Lester
>> >
>> > Bekriah Mawasi [[user: bks-WMIL]]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Michal Lester
>> >
>> > Executive Director
>> >
>> > Wikimedia Israel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Yaroslav did, and again the Framwiki case was mentioned. And while I do
realise this bruised and scarred the relationship between the English
community and the WMF, please realise the UCoC could benefit a lot of other
communities. Those who are not vocal on this list, and are just the silent
readers. Those who maybe do not even know this list exists, or do not read
because of English not being their first language. Those who have been
struggling to keep their wiki on track maybe, and do not have the time or
knowledge to design and agree on behavioural ground rules. Or in countries
where the volunteer work we do even might be dangerous, so they just try to
stick to writing. The UCoC could benefit the whole movement, so please keep
a global perspective on this.

And yes: I do agree we as volunteers deserve to give our input, and we
deserve to be heard. But I do think we will get our chance. For now, it
will be up to the writers to start a draft. Give them time to set this up
properly.

Ciell


Op vr 31 jul. 2020 19:36 schreef Todd Allen :

> Hello Ciell,
>
> These discussions took place on meta, not on en.wp. I don't believe anyone
> has brought up the English Wikipedia in particular.
>
> Todd
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Ciell Wikipedia <
> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this
> > thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.
> >
> > Ciell
> >
> > Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning :
> >
> > > As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the
> ToU
> > > for WMF
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF
> > > >
> > > discussion,
> > > I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of
> Conduct)
> > > should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
> > >
> > > However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there
> should
> > > be no Code of Conduct for the communities.
> > > I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be
> implemented:
> > > will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing
> > > toxicity?
> > >
> > >
> > > Just my thoughts.
> > > Aron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It is known and widely recognized that online communities were
> excluded
> > > > from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the
> > > > process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
> > > >
> > > > This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
> > > already
> > > > too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to
> do
> > > > whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
> > > >
> > > > On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at
> least I
> > > am
> > > > not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the
> > English
> > > > Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this.
> > But
> > > > people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
> > > continue
> > > > to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
> > > forking
> > > > is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have
> community
> > > > processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
> > > >
> > > > In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait
> for
> > > the
> > > > draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many
> people
> > > > think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or
> on
> > > the
> > > > projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For
> > these
> > > > RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
> > > read
> > > > the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities
> are
> > > not
> > > > involved in this process either, then things will go over and over
> > again
> > > -
> > > > UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of
> > > > high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi,

Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this
thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.

Ciell

Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning :

> As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU
> for WMF
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF
> >
> discussion,
> I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct)
> should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
>
> However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should
> be no Code of Conduct for the communities.
> I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented:
> will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing
> toxicity?
>
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Aron
>
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:
>
> > It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded
> > from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the
> > process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
> >
> > This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
> already
> > too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do
> > whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
> >
> > On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I
> am
> > not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English
> > Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But
> > people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
> continue
> > to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
> forking
> > is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community
> > processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
> >
> > In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for
> the
> > draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people
> > think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on
> the
> > projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these
> > RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
> read
> > the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are
> not
> > involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again
> -
> > UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of
> > high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete
> > denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this
> > happening again.
> >
> > Best
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten <
> > m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your
> > > privilege.  But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document
> > > now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are
> > > there to be read.
> > >
> > > If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc,
> > > you missed to express that in an appropriate  moment.
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > > (This being my third entry, it will be my last)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
> > > > I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual
> > > > statements.
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
> > > m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Read
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
> > > >> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
> > > >>
> > > >> Anders
> > > >>
> > > >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
> > > >>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated
> > in?
> > > >> The
> > > >>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Todd
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
> > > >> m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.
> The
> > >  strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
> > > representing
> > >  more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
> > closest
> > > we
> > >  have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in
> a
> > >  democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
> > does
> > >  not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is
> the
> > >  best way we know how to come to a decision.
> > > 
> > >  And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve
> > all
> > >  parties being 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-09 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
I agree with Tomek here.

And let me emphasize that not all OTRS admins have access to all queues: in
fact, I think only the admins do. OTRS is a very fast system with queues
per project and again per language, and access is given per queue. A queue
is mostly created per Wikimedia project and language, except for the
subject-related queue like WLX which is just for the competitions, and
maybe chapters and WMF. Most of us only have access to a few queues, if
more then one.
But this access comes with knowledge, so if you are concerned about a
person's knowledge on the subject of the emails they are handling, just
reach out to one of the OTRS admins and express your concerns.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op di 7 jul. 2020 om 08:47 schreef Tomasz Ganicz :

> pon., 6 lip 2020 o 19:52 Jonatan Svensson Glad 
> napisał(a):
>
> > Some quick non-answer (better knows as !answers):
> >
> > 1. what are OTRS' rules and policies?
> > I’m unable to answer this due to the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > agents sign.  Any and all
> > information on the OTRS wiki is private. OTRS wiki is used as a private
> > workspace restricted to Wikimedia Foundation staff, chapter
> > representatives, and Volunteer Response Team members, and is is strictly
> > confidential.
> >
> >
> Well, please do not create conspiracy theories... Actually, as far as I
> understand my role as an OTRS volunteer - there are no any special rules
> for OTRS except some technical, civility aspects and confidentiality of
> mailing with individuals - as OTRS volunteers generally should simply
> follow local wiki policies when answering questions, and in case of
> permission cases - general copyright policies of Commons and local wikis.
> WIth copyright policies on Commons - there is a problem of its complexity -
> and there are cases when there is no easy answer. Anyway - copyright
> related decisions of OTRS volunteers on Commons are screened from time to
> time by Commons admins having access to OTRS.
>
> Regarding privacy issues - OTRS volunteers can be reported to the Ombudsman
> Commission and during my serving in this Commision there were cases related
> to OTRS.
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

2020-06-05 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi Pine,

1) For me, as non-native speaker, it really helps to see someone speak
while I am hearing them. I applaud Maggie for doing this on screen. There
is no need for recording, but the streaming really adds to my understanding
of what is being said.

2) Though I realise that it may be a case that is still really clear to
you, if she was not the person in charge at the time (Maggie was on leave
as she pointed out) and it's been 11 months, it is not strange that she
cannot recall all the details. I think her answer would have been more
specific when she would have had the time to research the question.
And with the new UCoC, an Ombudsman/audit would also be introduced for the
T cases.  Imho this would be a good way to learn and develop from. For
staff, and for all Wikimedia users involved.

I am really interested in the "outside review for English administrators
and functionaries". Could you please share with me (on or off list) a link
to how that is formed, implemented and carried out?

Ciell
(she/her)


Op vr 5 jun. 2020 09:30 schreef Pine W :

> Agreed that office hours are a nice idea, although
>
> 1. For privacy reasons,I don't think that they need to be on video.
> Sue had them on IRC. In the Wikimedia Cafe several of us use audio
> only.
>
> 2. I'm digesting what Maggie said about the incidents of last July.
> I'm not sure that the version of events that was communicated to her
> captures how I would describe the multiple bad decisions that
> happened, and I'm not inclined to believe that the problems can be
> summed up as poor communications. I don't mean to put words in
> Maggie's mouth, and I don't think that she was trying to provide a
> comprehensive view of her briefing, but I also have concerns regarding
> what I heard in her summary, and I would encourage Maggie to probe
> extensively into what happened while she was on leave.
>
> I don't know what all was going on inside of WMF, but I would have
> wanted an outsider -- that is, not someone inside of WMF -- to review
> the actions of the staff, similar to how police departments are
> sometimes reviewed by outside agencies after high profile incidents,
> and I would want the report from that review to be public. Given my
> perspective on what happened, I think that at least one WMF staff
> person probably should have been demoted or fired, and perhaps more
> than one, up to and including Katherine. However, I don't have enough
> information to decide what accountability measures should have been
> taken. I would have more faith in the integrity of WMF if there had
> been an outside review as I describe here, including public
> accountability for the actions of individual staff, much as we do on
> English Wikipedia for administrators and functionaries.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 6:30 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
>  wrote:
> >
> > Yes thank you very much. I really liked the sincerity and the straight
> to the point amswers. It feels great to be listened at and given sincere
> answers.
> >
> > Make this call a best practice, it rocked.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Nattes à chat
> >
> > Envoyé de mon iPhone
> >
> > > Le 4 juin 2020 à 22:16, Tito Dutta  a écrit :
> > >
> > > True, (because of connectivity issues I was disconnected for some
> time).
> > > Thanks Maggie for answering the questions and clarifying things. All
> the
> > > best and good wishes.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> remind
> > > me over email or phone call.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 01:17, Aron Manning 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thank you, Maggie, Elena and Nick for this meeting!
> > >>
> > >> The event was very well organized on the first try, focused and
> > >> informative.
> > >> Special thanks to Maggie for tirelessly answering all the questions
> and
> > >> giving insight to the wide spectrum of challenges.
> > >>
> > >> It was great to hear that transparency will be an important part of
> the
> > >> processes to be developed and that the communities will be involved in
> > >> working out the details. I think this is going in the right direction
> to
> > >> establish trust and cooperation with the communities and a mutually
> > >> agreeable outcome.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you to all participants and I hope there will be more meetings
> as
> > >> this project progresses!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Aron
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 23:24, Maggie Dennis 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> We will post notes from the meeting, with the identity of
> question-askers
> > >>> anonymized, afterward. Questions can be submitted on Telegram [1],
> on IRC
> > >>> [2] or in the YouTube Chat or by email in advance to
> > >> answ...@wikimedia.org
> > >>> (To make sure they are presented during this meeting, please use
> “Trust &
> > >>> Safety” as the subject line.)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

2020-05-29 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
This will be very interesting, thank you Maggie.
(To check your local time for this office hour: click here
)


Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op do 28 mei 2020 om 14:03 schreef Maggie Dennis :

> Hello, all.
>
> With the Board’s recent statement, this seems like a good time to launch
> the quarterly office hours I’ve been wanting to create for people who want
> to talk to me about issues involving “community resilience and
> sustainability,” including the work of Trust & Safety, whom I oversee.
> (after months of wanting to do this I’ve come to realize that I will always
> be "too busy" to feel like it's the perfect time for this. So I’m going to
> do it now anyway!)
>
> There’ve been requests to make office hours more personal, so I will host a
> Zoom hangout where people can join me, but I'll also take questions from
> Telegram and IRC.[1] I know that finding an hour that works for everybody
> is not going to happen, and I know from past office hours I’ve been
> involved in that I may get far more questions than I can answer (or,
> contrarily, nothing at all :)). Nevertheless, I will do my best to answer
> questions posed to me in that hour by Wikimedians in good standing (not
> Foundation or community banned) and to follow up in writing with any I
> don’t have time for over the next few days or week or so, time allowing. I
> might aggregate similar questions into a kind of FAQ. We’ll publish notes,
> anonymizing those who’ve asked questions, after.
>
> I do, however, have the following caveats:
>
>-
>
>I can’t and won’t discuss specific Trust & Safety cases. Instead, I can
>discuss Trust & Safety protocols and practices and approaches as well as
>some of the mistakes we’ve made, some of the things I’m proud of, and
> some
>of the things we’re hoping to do.
>-
>
>I will not respond to comments or questions that are disrespectful to
>me, to my colleagues, or to anyone in our communities. I can talk
> civilly
>about our work even if you disagree with me or I disagree with you. I
> won’t
>compromise on this.
>
>
> I’m not sure if I will stick with Zoom as the way I do office hours
> forever, but I am responding to some requests for spoken interaction while
> also trying to provide text options for those who prefer. I admit to being
> a little camera shy myself, so this is a challenge for me! If I embarrass
> myself too badly, I may retreat to the safety of text in future.
>
> I was hoping to have the Zoom link already, but while that’s being
> expedited by our office technology team, I don’t have it yet. I wanted to
> give interested people notice as soon as I knew the time. I’ll follow up
> with links again at least two hours in advance.
>
> The meeting will be on June 4th at 1800 UTC.
>
> I hope to see you there.
>
> Best,
>
> Maggie
>
> [1] Zoom link; Telegram link: https://t.me/joinchat/DOlGIB1FRLUWqW9iB3qfTQ
> ;
> directions for participating in IRC:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#How_to_participate
>
> --
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> Vice President, Community Resilience & Sustainability
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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[Wikimedia-l] How the Dutch language WP handles COVID-19 (just some inspiration for other small communities)

2020-03-19 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi!

I read about the beautiful COVID-19 Wikiproject here on wikimedia-l, and
through Twitter, about the Italian, German en English Wikipedia giving the
relevant articles on COVID-19 their own box on the front page, to inform
readers looking for information.

We discussed this

on the Dutch language Wikipedia and concluded that our community is to
small and not knowledgable enough, to act as health information portal. We
have governmental institutes in place where people are being directed if
they want to know what to do and what not. These websites will always be
more up to date, and also there is no (large-scaled) mistrust in the
measures that are now being taken.

Therefore, the community decided to take a different approach: through our
featured article section on the main page
, we now highlight articles to
put the COVID-19 in a broader perspective.
Today's FA is on Alexander Fleming (Nobel prize winner for his discovery of
penicillin), the upcoming days for instance will be about the Spanish flu
(the influenza epidemic that hit Europe just after WW1) and about
Decamerone (for some reading inspiration).

Maybe a thought for other small communities, that wrestle with the same
topic.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-02-26 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Thank you for your response!

Ciell

Op wo 26 feb. 2020 12:32 schreef Gnangarra :

> Hi Ciell
>
> ESEAP team and the WMF are meeting later this week with discussion on this
> very issue on the agenda. As it stands we have been following the changes
> and recommendations of many countries in relation to travel to Thailand and
> Bangkok.  The WMF  team is also following developments, as you can imagine
> its a very dynamic situation.  At this stage we are continuing the
> scholarship application process because there isnt the time frame necessary
> to delay while waiting for further developments occur so we can more
> assured of the necessary measures that will need to be taken.
>
> For people who dont get scholarships, or are already planning to fund their
> own travel there for once waiting is becoming an advantage as the cost of
> travel is dropping and there will be incentives to encourage people to
> travel.   Anyone making bookings I recommend you obtain insurance that
> covers you for all eventualities especially scenarios related to the virus.
>
> Community safety is at the absolute forefront of our plans and concerns.
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:05, Ciell Wikipedia 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Gnangarra,
> >
> > With the Corona virus spreading rapidly around the world: can you tell me
> > (us) something about the scenario for Wikimania when the virus would
> still
> > be heavily active in August?
> > People might want to wait a bit longer before applying, or maybe want to
> > know more about cancelling their travels after they have confirmed the
> > scholarship. Will this be possible?
> >
> > Vriendelijke groet,
> > Ciell
> >
> >
> > Op do 20 feb. 2020 om 21:46 schreef Gnangarra :
> >
> > > Wikimania is fast approaching, this year it'll be held in Bangkok and
> as
> > > always the Wikimedia Foundation has a limited number of opportunities
> to
> > > assist people to attend. There are two types of scholarships the first
> > > being a full scholarship which covers, travel, accommodation, and
> > > registration, the second a  partial scholarship that covers
> accommodation
> > > and registration.
> > >
> > > This year for the first time East, South East Asia, and Pacific
> (ESEAP)
> > as
> > > collaboration between the region we'll be your host for Wikimania.  The
> > > region has placed a high importance on collaboration and knowledge
> > sharing
> > > this years Wikimania program will reflect that. Our theme is;
> > > *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> > > *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
> > >
> > > How does this impact on scholarship? ESEAP is looking for people who
> are
> > > prepared to share their knowledge to help develop potential future
> > > leaders.  We'll be looking for two broad areas of contributions, from
> > those
> > > who have successfully developed programs, and those  newer contributors
> > who
> > > want to develop their skills to do more but have never been to a
> > Wikimania
> > > to broaden their support networks.
> > >
> > > As you apply please agree to share your details with the local
> affiliate
> > > should they also have scholarships available. When answering questions
> if
> > > you have urls to reports, dashboards, and events reports please provide
> > > them. Rather than writing lots of words again have your past recordings
> > > speak.
> > >
> > > On behalf of ESEAP community, and the Scholarship committee we look
> > forward
> > > to seeing you in Bangkok in August.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Gnangarra
> > > Wikimania Scholarship committee Co-chair
> > >
> > > *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> > > *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
> > > Wikimania Bangkok 2020
> > > August 5 to 9
> > > hosted by ESEAP
> > >
> > > Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra
> > > Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-02-26 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi Gnangarra,

With the Corona virus spreading rapidly around the world: can you tell me
(us) something about the scenario for Wikimania when the virus would still
be heavily active in August?
People might want to wait a bit longer before applying, or maybe want to
know more about cancelling their travels after they have confirmed the
scholarship. Will this be possible?

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op do 20 feb. 2020 om 21:46 schreef Gnangarra :

> Wikimania is fast approaching, this year it'll be held in Bangkok and as
> always the Wikimedia Foundation has a limited number of opportunities to
> assist people to attend. There are two types of scholarships the first
> being a full scholarship which covers, travel, accommodation, and
> registration, the second a  partial scholarship that covers accommodation
> and registration.
>
> This year for the first time East, South East Asia, and Pacific  (ESEAP) as
> collaboration between the region we'll be your host for Wikimania.  The
> region has placed a high importance on collaboration and knowledge sharing
> this years Wikimania program will reflect that. Our theme is;
> *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
>
> How does this impact on scholarship? ESEAP is looking for people who are
> prepared to share their knowledge to help develop potential future
> leaders.  We'll be looking for two broad areas of contributions, from those
> who have successfully developed programs, and those  newer contributors who
> want to develop their skills to do more but have never been to a Wikimania
> to broaden their support networks.
>
> As you apply please agree to share your details with the local affiliate
> should they also have scholarships available. When answering questions if
> you have urls to reports, dashboards, and events reports please provide
> them. Rather than writing lots of words again have your past recordings
> speak.
>
> On behalf of ESEAP community, and the Scholarship committee we look forward
> to seeing you in Bangkok in August.
>
> --
> Gnangarra
> Wikimania Scholarship committee Co-chair
>
> *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
> Wikimania Bangkok 2020
> August 5 to 9
> hosted by ESEAP
>
> Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wiki Cemeteries User Group

2020-02-18 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
What?? There are more Wikipedians with this craaazy fascination for
cemeteries and burial ceremonies?? 

Congratulations on your recognition as a UG, and I'll surely be in touch.

Best,
Ciell


Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wiki Cemeteries User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group
> aims to collaborate around the scope of cemeteries with existing
> Affiliates; connect with new partners and editors, especially in the field
> of traditional genealogy; understand cultural sensitivities around the
> theme of cemeteries; understand cemetery culture, including the role of
> caretakers, specialty items (e.g. flags for veterans, flower wreaths), and
> so forth.
>
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
>
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>
> [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Cemeteries_User_Group
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand

2020-02-18 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
This is super!
Congratulations to all involved, and I hope you'll be able to expand your
activities towards your goal in becoming one of our new chapters.

Toitoitoi!

Kia Ora,
Ciell

Op di 18 feb. 2020 02:28 schreef Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight <
rosiestep.w...@gmail.com>:

> Hi everyone!
>
>
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wikimedia User Group of Aotearoa New Zealand [2] as a Wikimedia User
> Group. The group aims to represent the Wikimedia Foundation’s mission in
> New Zealand: to empower and engage people to collect and develop
> educational content under a free license, so it can be shared and reused
> freely for any purpose.
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight
>
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand#Liaison%27s_Signature
>
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_User_Group_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Techstorm 2019: live on YouTube

2019-11-20 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi everyone,

Last year the gender gap working group of Wikimedia Netherlands organized
the Women Tech Storm (May 2018) and the first Wiki Techstorm (October
2018). The Techstorm is a very diverse conference, open and inviting to
everyone. Our main aim is increasing diversity within the broader Wikimedia
movement, as well as decreasing the gender gap by emphasising on the
participation of women and non-binairy people to the event.
The Techstorm offers workshops and guidance for people with beginning or
intermediate experience in coding and/or Wikimedia skills, and has a high
mentor-student ratio.

This Friday and Saturday the 22nd and 23rd of November, we come together in
Amsterdam for the Wiki Techstorm 2019. For this years event, we approached
our cultural partners, and have added an extra layer. By working together
with our friends from GLAM institutions all over the Netherlands, we have
collected media and data that will be shared through Wikimedia Commons and
Wikidata this upcoming weekend. This means our participants get hands on
experience on how to process specific tasks, and the institutions get a
better idea of what can be done with their input (collections), what they
can ask of us, and how to get the best results. There will be 11 workshops,
on various fields of developments within Wikimedia Commons and Wikidata.
We also invited a few of our expert developers from the Netherlands, to
help us develop and renew apps and tools.

Curious about the event? Or would you like to know the basics of Wikidata
or Commons, al the newest on structured data, how to create a map using
Wikidata, or how to scrape a website?
Please join us through our live streams on the Wikimedia Nederland YouTube
channel. Go to our live stream overview
 on Mediawiki
for the link per session.

More information about this years event can be found on Mediawiki
, an extensive report about our
2018 activities

is also available.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust & Safety (was: New board for...)

2019-06-18 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hi Lodewijk,

You say:


*"My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is
a neutral review option for actions by the T team (or the WMF in
general), such as an ombudsperson."*

I think this is a very good idea, last Saturday we talked about an internal
audit for this, same idea I think.
I know of several instances where the T team had to act/ was asked to
act, and reviewing procedures from time to time should be a normal  in a
healthy organisation.

Vriendelijke groet,
Ciell


Op di 18 jun. 2019 om 03:02 schreef effe iets anders <
effeietsand...@gmail.com>:

> (forking the discussion to allow a focus on more general line, rather than
> the specifics of who wrote what, why and when)
> My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a
> neutral review option for actions by the T team (or the WMF in general),
> such as an ombudsperson.
>
> A detailed discussion or evaluation of specific sanctions by the Trust and
> Safety team is not the kind of conversation to have publicly - I think most
> people agree on this. In conversations like this, there is always at least
> one party less comfortable to discuss the matter in public (or even discuss
> it at all, indeed).
>
> At the same time, if actions are so severe, it's good if there is
> opportunity to have a review of the actions taken by a third party, to
> confirm to the person against who sanctions have been laid (or complainants
> in case no sanctions were laid), that appropriate processes were followed.
>
> (This is perhaps stating the obvious - and I should acknowledge that I
> don't know enough about WMF processes today to know for sure whether this
> has maybe already even been implemented in the WMF structures a long time
> ago. I do get the impression though that if this is the case, not everyone
> is familiar with this option.)
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 12:40 PM Isaac Olatunde 
> wrote:
>
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 3:48 PM Dariusz Jemielniak  wrote:
> >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
Hello Caroline,

I'm very sorry for what happened back in Capetown and that today you are
reminded of this again through a public mailing list, where the story is
starting to lead it's own life. I can only imagine that you felt the need
to correct this misinterpretation of what happened to you.
I know Romaine for several years and recognise the behaviour you are
describing and even though I know he doesn't mean any harm with it (it's
his enthusiasm that gets the better of him), I do realise it may cause
distress with the other person. If you want to talk to me about this,
please contact me of list. If this was enough for you, please do not feel
you have to send any additional responses.

Hi all,

I was present at the assembly last Saturday and the whole situation is very
complicated. I think, in his emotions to tell his story, Romaine indeed got
two situations mixed up here and the emotional part should not be discussed
on a public list.
Furthermore I know first hand that both the chair of WMNL and WMBE are
involved in the conversations with T and the WMF: there is no need for us
to re-review this process, that is still ongoing at the moment.

Please let's close this thread.

Vriendelijke groet,
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Op ma 17 jun. 2019 om 17:39 schreef Caroline Becker :

> I was forced to step up *today* on this mailing list because the
> description of the WIkimania 2018 incident in the first mail was false: the
> claim that "none of us expressed there was a problem" is simply not what
> happened.
>
> And by the way this is exactly why the details of stuff like that are NOT
> shared publicly. For me the incident was closed and well handled by the T
> team, I really didn't need a debate where people are expressing their
> uninformed, bar room like opinions about the seriousness of the incident or
> what should or should not have been done.
>
> Caroline
>
>
> Le lun. 17 juin 2019 à 17:14, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> a écrit :
>
> > Hi Dariusz,
> >
> > I understand Caroline wanted to add that she was finding difficult that
> > Romain was not aware of her stress or unease on a specific situation
> > vaguely described there (without any mention to her at all). And that
> later
> > they have talked about it, and she accepted his apologies for that in
> > private. I can't find the least evidence of her being forced to step up
> and
> > expose herself just to clarify that there. As far as I know, it never was
> > in question that some people felt uneasy with some behavior there. They
> > talked about it, apologies were presented, end of story. Or would have
> been
> > end of story, if not for the T interference.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> >
> >
> > Dariusz Jemielniak  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 17/06/2019
> > à(s) 16:04:
> >
> > > Hi Paulo,
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:
> > > " I'm referring to message from Caroline" - How have you jumped from
> > > Caroline wanting to further clarify something, to the conclusion that
> the
> > > OP was  "pushing people who felt harassed or mistreated to step
> forward"?
> > >
> > > I'm specifically referring to this sentence " I really do not
> appreciate
> > > having this particular incident discussed here and being forced to step
> > up
> > > like that."
> > >
> > > Yes, she claims to have been "forced to step up", but were you able to
> > > find any evidence for that in the OP? Any accusation is automatically
> > true?
> > >
> > > I believe that the person who voluntarily identified herself as the one
> > > requesting T support is not randomly lying about that. I don't think
> it
> > > was an accusation, it was an expression of the personal urge to set the
> > > record straight.
> > >
> > > Again, please note that I'm not referring to what did or did not
> happen a
> > > year ago. I've been trying to express my frustration with discussing
> > > personal details and stories on a public list. I've clearly failed.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > dj
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cheat sheets visual editing on Wikipedia

2018-07-12 Thread Ciell Wikipedia
I've asked to Dutch Wikipedians to translate the sheets into English. I
hope they have the time today or tomorrow, so we can have them ready for
Wikimania.

Kind regards, Ciell

Op do 12 jul. 2018 00:49 schreef Strainu :

> There are a bunch of such cheatsheets around, I did one myself based on the
> old Editing Wikipedia brochure, but what Arne has managed is to somehow put
> the image (screenshot)  in the spotlight in a way much better than anything
> I've seen before.
>
> Having a svg version will ease the translation effort a lot.
>
> Strainu
>
> Pe joi, 12 iulie 2018, Nick Wilson (Quiddity)  a
> scris:
>
> > Traditionally, the centralized spot is at
> > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf
> > I've added an item for that, to the Wikimedia Resource Center.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 2:31 AM Cornelius Kibelka <
> > cornelius.kibe...@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Sure, I / we are happy to add this (and other) material somewhere. I
> > > couldn't find the best spot in the Wikimedia Resource Center (somewhere
> > > here
> > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Resource_Center/For_program_
> > coordinators
> > > ?
> > > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Resource_Center/For_program_
> > coordinators?>),
> > > so I'm happy to get any pointers.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Cornelius
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 at 10:54, Delphine Dallison <
> > > d.dalli...@scottishlibraries.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It would be great to get all these cheat sheets gathered up in a meta
> > > page
> > > > on Wikimedia Resources so we can do a concerted effort to get them
> > > > translated into as many languages as possible and so we don't keep on
> > > > reinventing the wheel. I think both Arne's cheat sheets and the
> > Wikimedia
> > > > Deutschland ones are great. Personally I would probably chose to go
> > with
> > > > Arne's if I was doing institutional level outreach and the other set
> > for
> > > > more relaxed public editathons, so they both have their value. Is
> > anyone
> > > on
> > > > here with metawiki to help us gather these in one place including the
> > > > translations as they start to come through?
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Delphine Dallison
> > > > Wikimedian in Residence
> > > > Scottish Library and Information Council
> > > > Turnberry House
> > > > Suite 5:5, Fifth Floor
> > > > 175 West George Street
> > > > Glasgow G2 2LB
> > > > Tel: 0141 202 2999
> > > > www.scottishlibraries.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Enriching lives through libraries
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Wikimedia-l  On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Cornelius Kibelka
> > > > Sent: 11 July 2018 08:17
> > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cheat sheets visual editing on Wikipedia
> > > >
> > > > Hey all,
> > > >
> > > > not meant to be competing with Arne ;) , but if you're looking for
> > > another
> > > > design: Wikimedia Deutschland has created similar "cheat sheets",
> just
> > > > with another, a bit funnier style:
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org
> %2Fwiki%2FFile%3AWikipedia_Spickzettel_
> > Artikel_f%25C3%25BCr_Wikipedia_schreiben.pdf
> > data=02%7C01%7Cd.dallison%40scottishlibraries.org%
> > 7Cdfc73bc663fe486a919308d5e6fe5ad1%7C6414ad35a3824075ab2600ed2b7a
> > db76%7C1%7C1%7C636668902476712848sdata=tvr327cjcUS%2B64%
> > 2BPCx0G6rEi8AyE4vU2CU%2B3hfmzVq0%3Dreserved=0
> > > > ("Writing
> > > > articles for Wikipedia")
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%
> > 3AWikipedia_Spickzettel_In_Wikipedia_kommunizieren.pdf&
> > amp;data=02%7C01%7Cd.dallison%40scottishlibraries.org%
> > 7Cdfc73bc663fe486a919308d5e6fe5ad1%7C6414ad35a3824075ab2600ed2b7a
> > db76%7C1%7C1%7C636668902476712848sdata=AM5n4Cchj%
> > 2FWscHNK6jQ40foKXvdcBl63A6ZpmL0z1Aw%3Dreserved=0
> > > > ("Communicating within the Wikipedia community")
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFile%
> > 3AWikipedia_Spickzettel_Mit_dem_Smartphone_Wikipedia_
> > bearbeiten.pdfdata=02%7C01%7Cd.dallison%40scottishlibraries.org%
> > 7Cdfc73bc663fe486a919308d5e6fe5ad1%7C6414ad35a3824075ab2600ed2b7a
> > db76%7C1%7C1%7C636668902476712848sdata=R2WKNW0GTQIMOScU5n7NIZKA%
> > 2FVydv2Q3sfue51B4jfY%3Dreserved=0
> > > > ("Edit Wikipedia with your smartphone")
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> > https%3A%2F%2Fcommons.wikimedia.org
> %2Fwiki%2FFile%3AWikipedia_Spickzettel_
> > Wikipedia_bearbeiten_und_korrigieren.pdfdata=02%7C01%7Cd.dallison%
> > 40scottishlibraries.org%7Cdfc73bc663fe486a919308d5e6fe5ad1%
> > 7C6414ad35a3824075ab2600ed2b7adb76%7C1%7C1%7C636668902476712848
> > sdata=ov%2FufcPlsVnc8YwvKu7mc61FtZzbJoAI221uCyPGoUM%3Dreserved=0
> > > >