[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming the new Wikimedia Foundation CEO

2021-09-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Congratulations and welcome Maryana.

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 11:53 AM Nataliia Tymkiv 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am pleased to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> has appointed Maryana Iskander as the new CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation
> [1] [2].
>
> Since 2013, Maryana has served as the CEO of Harambee Youth Employment
> Accelerator [3], a South African non-profit social enterprise focused on
> building African solutions for the global challenge of youth unemployment.
> Prior to this, she spent six years as Chief Operating Officer of Planned
> Parenthood Federation of America [4], a volunteer-led social movement
> focused on access to women’s healthcare. Maryana has also worked in
> academia as the Advisor to the President of Rice University [5], an
> international research university based in the United States.
>
> Her professional career has been motivated by breaking down systemic
> barriers, creating opportunities for collaborative solution-building, and
> community empowerment. She has a proven track record for leading complex
> organisations shaped by shared decision-making.
>
> In looking for the next CEO, we on the Board convened a Transition
> Committee [6], primarily to guide us in finding the right person for this
> critical role and secondly to oversee the executive Transition Team. The
> Transition Committee conducted a far-reaching and competitive global
> search, receiving around 400 recommendations and speaking to about 50
> potential candidates. Throughout this selection process, Maryana impressed
> us as someone who is deeply inspired by the Wikimedia vision and who
> embodies the values of equity and community that inform all Wikimedia work.
> She has extensive leadership experience working with volunteer-led
> initiatives and building partnerships across public, private and social
> sectors. Maryana also brings expertise in technology-led innovation to
> accelerate meaningful social change. She does this with a global
> perspective: Maryana was born in the Middle East, educated in the United
> States and the United Kingdom, and has spent the last decade living and
> working on the African continent.
>
> Maryana joins the Wikimedia Foundation at a crucial time. The movement is
> larger than ever, and it has never been more relevant or more trusted. This
> is an inflection point, as decisions need to be made to execute a shared
> vision for where the Movement wants to be in 2030. We believe that Maryana
> is the right person to help lead the Foundation at this moment.
>
> As Maryana begins, her priorities will include supporting movement efforts
> to implement the Wikimedia 2030 recommendations, such as the development of
> a Movement Charter and the finalization of a Universal Code of Conduct. She
> will continue the Foundation’s focus on knowledge equity and exploring ways
> to address the gaps in content and the diversity of contributors to
> Wikimedia projects. She will be supported by the Board in this journey.
>
> Maryana will officially start at the Wikimedia Foundation on January 5,
> 2022, as she transitions from her current job. Until then, the Foundation
> will continue to be led by the Transition Team, with guidance from the
> Board. In my conversations with her, I have seen that Maryana is a fan of
> direct communication and excited to learn from the movement. In the coming
> weeks, she will share ways to connect. Please join me in welcoming Maryana
> (CCed) to the Foundation!
>
> PS. For translations of this message, or to help translate it into more
> languages, please visit Meta-Wiki [7]
>
> *[1]
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/14/wikimedia-foundation-appoints-maryana-iskander-as-chief-executive-officer/
> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/14/wikimedia-foundation-appoints-maryana-iskander-as-chief-executive-officer/>*
>
> *[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Iskander
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Iskander> *
>
> *[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambee_Youth_Employment_Accelerator
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambee_Youth_Employment_Accelerator>*
>
> *[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood>*
>
> *[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University> *
>
> *[6]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Creating_a_CEO_Transition_Committee_and_Transition_Team,_2021
> <https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Creating_a_CEO_Transition_Committee_and_Transition_Team,_2021>
>  *
> *[7]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/14_September

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I didn't put my words in your mouth -- I quoted your own words precisely,
and the implication you were trying to make is obvious; so respectfully,
please refrain from gaslighting here. I simply suggested dropping the
hyperbole of  "star chambers and kangaroo courts", "secret trials punishing
people who don't know they're being accused' and "very basic principle[s]
of Human Rights and dignity" over someone getting banned from a website
over bad conduct issues.  You need not reply -- I'm done with this portion
of the conversation.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have never said that this is a human rights violation, so please don't
> put your words on my mouth.
>
> I have said that the general principles of equality, right to fair trial,
> not having ones honor damaged by baseless accusations, etc. which are
> present at the UDHR are being forgotten here.
>
> Of course you may argue that since the WMF is a private organization, they
> are free to engage in this kind of secret trials, star chambers and
> kangaroo courts at will. As others already stated, the matter here is not
> if they can, but if they should be engaging on those schemes, as they are
> now.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
>
>
> A sábado, 15 de jun de 2019, 18:39, Dan Rosenthal 
> escreveu:
>
> > There is no "very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity" to be free
> > from the presumption of guilt by others.  You may be confusing Article 11
> > of the UHDR, but this applies explicitly only to "penal offenses."
> Unless
> > Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the
> absurd
> > hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation.
> >
> >
> > Dan Rosenthal
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > People shouldn't be going with any random option, but rather presume
> the
> > > innocence of others unless guilt is proven by some legit process.
> > > It seems that this very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity is
> > > being forgotten.
> > > There is not the least appearance of due process happening there, but
> > that
> > > has not stopped people from finding themselves their guilty part of
> > > election, using their own bias to evaluate the case.
> > > Including some Wikipedia related social network accounts that should be
> > > acting more responsible and wiser than joining the rabble in the
> offwiki
> > > harassment of their guilty part of choice.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > geni  escreveu no dia sábado, 15/06/2019 à(s)
> 17:15:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 00:04, David Gerard 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you really think Fram's framing of events here is even
> plausible,
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What you are calling Fram's framing appears to be a the WMF's version
> > > > of events as told to fram. The WMF does look slightly better if you
> > > > remember that T arw trying to improve behaviour through threat of
> > > > blocks not file a diff heavy arbcom case.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  >let alone the story
> > > >
> > > > Given that the other versions of "the story" are T's PR waffle or
> > > > conspiracy theories it understandable that people are going to go
> with
> > > > the option that at least gives them something to work from.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Dan Rosenthal
There is no "very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity" to be free
from the presumption of guilt by others.  You may be confusing Article 11
of the UHDR, but this applies explicitly only to "penal offenses."  Unless
Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the absurd
hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation.


Dan Rosenthal


On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> People shouldn't be going with any random option, but rather presume the
> innocence of others unless guilt is proven by some legit process.
> It seems that this very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity is
> being forgotten.
> There is not the least appearance of due process happening there, but that
> has not stopped people from finding themselves their guilty part of
> election, using their own bias to evaluate the case.
> Including some Wikipedia related social network accounts that should be
> acting more responsible and wiser than joining the rabble in the offwiki
> harassment of their guilty part of choice.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> geni  escreveu no dia sábado, 15/06/2019 à(s) 17:15:
>
> > On Sat, 15 Jun 2019 at 00:04, David Gerard  wrote:
> > >
> > > If you really think Fram's framing of events here is even plausible,
> > >
> >
> > What you are calling Fram's framing appears to be a the WMF's version
> > of events as told to fram. The WMF does look slightly better if you
> > remember that T arw trying to improve behaviour through threat of
> > blocks not file a diff heavy arbcom case.
> >
> >
> >  >let alone the story
> >
> > Given that the other versions of "the story" are T's PR waffle or
> > conspiracy theories it understandable that people are going to go with
> > the option that at least gives them something to work from.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > geni
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Wow, that logs page is something else. Pretty ironic that Bishonen would
accuse the Office account of "wheel warring", when the wheel warring policy
explicitly states that reversing an Office Action is indicative of wheel
warring. So I'm *sure* we'll see suitable discussions of sanctions for the
knowing, planned, intentional reversal of an office action against policy,
right?

Possible indications of an incipient wheel war:

   - An administrator getting too distressed to discuss calmly.
   - Deliberately ignoring an existing discussion in favor of a unilateral
   preferred action.
   - Abruptly undoing administrator actions without consultation.
   - *Reversal of a Wikimedia Foundation office action
   <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Office_actions>.*


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 5:06 PM effe iets anders 
wrote:

> Great, now we have a wheelwar going on (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/block=Fram ).
> I
> have a hard time seeing how this would help anyone.
>
> A massive discussion where everyone tries to say something and nobody
> really reads everything (because how could you) is not going to lead to any
> constructive outcome. I hope that someone picks up the challenge and brings
> together the WMF and community before this spins further out of control.
> (I'm naively assuming that the WMF would be willing to engage at least
> privately in conversation if it relies on private information, or publicly
> if it does not).
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 2:40 PM Robert Fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > Framing it as "competence over politeness" is convenient for the
> > people who do not want the latter and imagine they are the former.
> >
> > It also insults the editors who have managed to do both.  I know an
> > en.wp editor who has dozens of FAs and somehow managed the herculean
> > feat of not referring to anyone on Wikipedia using the c-word.
> >
> > Framing it as "the culture of the community" leaves out of the
> > community all of us who are sick of this behavior, including long-time
> > veterans of the community like myself (fifteen years), and community
> > victims of harassment asking T for help.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM Todd Allen  wrote:
> > >
> > > "Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an
> admin,
> > > all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask
> ourselves
> > > why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening
> to
> > > stop it."
> > >
> > > First, if Fram were a well-known editor but not an admin, yes, there
> > > absolutely would be such a discussion. But as to why, the answer, very
> > > simply, is that the English Wikipedia community values competence over
> > > politeness, and probably always will. That is part of the culture of
> the
> > > community, and the WMF has no right to override that.
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 6:46 AM camelia boban  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I quote David and Isaac.
> > > > Harassment is a serious thing and hounding another user is out of any
> > wiki
> > > > behavior.
> > > > Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an
> > admin,
> > > > all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask
> > ourselves
> > > > why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without
> intervening
> > to
> > > > stop it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Camelia
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > *Camelia Boban*
> > > >
> > > > *| Java EE Developer |*
> > > >
> > > > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia *Foundation
> > > > Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> > > > Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project
> ideator*
> > > >
> > > > *Diversity Space @ Wikimania 2019 Co-Lead*
> > > > WMIT - WMSE - WMCH - WMAR Member
> > > >
> > > > M. +39 3383385545
> > > > camelia.bo...@gmail.com
> > > > *Aissa Technologies* <http://aissatechnologies.eu/>* | *Twitter
> > > > <https://twitter.com/cameliaboban> *|* *LinkedIn
> > > > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/camelia-boban-31319122>*
> > > > *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **|
> > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-20 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think the broader point being that for any legal or criminal complaints,
the appropriate venue is the court system, not the Wikimedia-L mailing
list.

Dan Rosenthal

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:45 AM, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Legal threats are surely the universal language of bad faith
>
> That assumes that legal threats are never legitimate. If there are
> criminal allegations of which the Foundation has not yet been made
> aware, they should be emailed to the appropriate officials and role
> accounts. Abuse of process is the bad faith subset.
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Gabriel Thullen <gabr...@thullen.com>
> wrote:
> > Thank you Katherine for your long and thoughtful message on this
> difficult
> > subject. I feel that the Foundation took the necessary steps to ensure
> that
> > all parties concerned were treated fairly. I also tend to trust the
> > Foundation board when they say that there was "no merit to the charges".
> >
> > This appears to be a classic case of "claims and counter claims" which
> the
> > Foundation has settled. Now that the smoke screen has been cleared, we
> now
> > need to address the other issues that are plaguing Wikimedia France.
> >
> > Once again, thank you for setting the record straight in such a calm and
> > measured fashion. I sincerely hope that we will now be able to answer our
> > member's grievances and get to the bottom of this mess, with the
> > Foundation's help, experience and guidance,
> >
> > Best regards
> > Gabriel
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:56 AM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 19, 2017 7:41 PM, "Richard Farmbrough" <rich...@farmbrough.co.uk
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it very clear that these allegations were the last gasp of an
> >> ancient regime,
> >>
> >>
> >> Legal threats are surely the universal language of bad faith.  And I
> have
> >> complete trust in Pierre-Selim and Caroline.
> >>
> >> Thanks Katherine, for sharing details of what has been happening.
> >>
> >> Sam.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-24 Thread Dan Rosenthal
"Since you are unable to imagine many actions more chilling than reporting
bullying and harassment to an appropriate authority, let me suggest
something that might be equally chilling -- calling for the banning from
the list of someone because you disagree with what they have to say."

That wasn't what Robert said, nor was there "bullying and harassment"
coming from anyone other than you, Rogol. This kind of passive-aggressive
straw-manning is an example of precisely why you have worn out your welcome
here.

-Dan





Dan Rosenthal

On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Robert
>
> If someone posts to an email discussion list owned and run by their
> employer, using an email account provided by their employer, with a
> signature block giving the name of their employer and their name and
> position with that employer, and if their line manager is not only a
> regular reader but a participant in discussions on the list, as recently as
> yesterday, then it may reasonably be presumed that they expect their
> employer to be aware of their posting.
>
> Since you are unable to imagine many actions more chilling than reporting
> bullying and harassment to an appropriate authority, let me suggest
> something that might be equally chilling -- calling for the banning from
> the list of someone because you disagree with what they have to say.
>
> Roibéard
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Robert Fernandez <wikigamal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Since Rogol has followed through on his threat he should be banned from
> the
> > list, or we should have a public statement from the moderators regarding
> > why they will not do so.
> >
> > I can't imagine many actions that would have a more chilling effect on
> > participation here than one of this list's most frequent posters
> contacting
> > your employer because he disagrees with what you have to say.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Since you kindly emailed my line manage Rogol, I wanted to confirm that
> > my
> > > choice of words were very carefully chosen.
> > >
> > > And I stand by them.
> > >
> > > Seddon
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <
> > domedonf...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joseph
> > > >
> > > > I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so too.
> I
> > > said
> > > > that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity
> To
> > > the
> > > > extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to
> ask
> > > how
> > > > that personal information is going to be handled.  For some reason,
> you
> > > > seem keen to derail that part of the discussion by elevating a
> quibble
> > > over
> > > > your hasty misunderstanding of my wording into an accusation, which I
> > > > reject, of generalised misconduct.  If you have some comment to make
> > > about
> > > > the handling of personal information, please do so.
> > > >
> > > > May I suggest that you withdraw your original posting, apologise to
> the
> > > > membership of this list for the unconstructive nature of your
> posting,
> > > and
> > > > to me for its aggressive, insulting and incorrect content.
> > > Alternatively,
> > > > perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is
> > the
> > > > sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum.
> > > >
> > > > Reginald
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Joseph Seddon <
> jsed...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Real identity does not equal real-life identity. You can mask your
> > > > > pseudonymous identity and pose as a third party similarly
> > pseudonymous
> > > > > individual.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_(Internet)
> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Hey Rogol:

"Alternatively,
perhaps you would prefer me to ask your line manager whether this is the
sort of behaviour that she expects you to exhibit in a public forum."

This is the kind of "unconstructive" behavior the list is talking about. I
fail to see how threatening to tattle to someone's manager, because they
disagreed with you about the wording of your posts in public, is either
constructive or the "sort of behavior" one would "expect you to exhibit in
a public forum." But then again, I'd venture to guess you knew that already.

Cheers.

Dan Rosenthal

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thoughtful, practical, good. Thank you.
>
> On Aug 22, 2017 9:03 PM, "John Mark Vandenberg" <jay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi list members,
>
> The list admins (hereafter 'we', being Austin, Asaf, Shani and I, your
> humble narrator) regularly receive complaints about the frequent
> posters on this list, as well as about the unpleasant atmosphere some
> posters (some of them frequent) create.
>
> It is natural that frequent posters will say specific things that more
> frequently annoy other list members, but often the complaints are due
> to the volume of messages rather than the content of the messages.
>
> We are floating some suggestions aimed specifically at reducing the
> volume, hopefully motivating frequent posters to self-moderate more,
> but these proposed limits are actually intending to increasing the
> quality of the discourse without heavy subjective moderation.
>
> The first proposal impacts all posters to this list, and the last
> three proposals are aimed at providing a more clear framework within
> which criticism and whistle-blowing are permitted, but that critics
> are prevented from drowning out other discussions. The bandwidth that
> will be given to critics should be established in advance, reducing
> need to use subjective moderation of the content when a limit to the
> volume will often achieve the same result.
> --
>
> Proposal #1: Monthly 'soft quota' reduced from 30 to 15
>
> The existing soft quota of 30 posts per person has practically never
> been exceeded in the past year, and yet many list subscribers still
> clearly feel that a few individuals overwhelm the list. This suggests
> the current quota is too high.
>
> A review of the stats at
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/mail-lists/wikimedia-l.html show very few
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> quality of discourse.
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> Banned people occasionally use the wikimedia-l mailing list as a
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] General Counsel: Welcome Eileen Hershenov

2017-04-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Michelle is beyond amazing, end of story. Best of luck to the new incoming
GC, and hope she can fill the very big shoes.

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Philippe Beaudette <phili...@beaudette.me>
wrote:

> For nearly a decade, I worked (sometimes closely, sometimes not as closely)
> with Michelle Paulson.  She dazzled me with her brilliance and her care for
> Wikimedia and Wikimedians around the globe.  Anytime that I needed someone
> to fight with me because a Wikimedian was in some way threatened, I never
> had to check - because I knew that Michelle was either there ahead of me,
> or right besides me.
>
> She is unwavering in her care for Wikimedians - she feels that calling very
> deeply.  Wikimedia owes much to her.
>
> But speaking personally, I've seen the toll that it took on her, and I've
> felt a touch of it myself.  Michelle - go take a good long break.  You've
> earned it.  Well done, my friend.  Well done.
>
> philippe
>
> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2017-04-26 15:33 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>:
> >
> > > Michelle
> >
> >
> > Michelle was one of my personally favourite employees of WMF with which I
> > had occasion to meet face to face - so I wish her great continuation of
> her
> > carrier somewhere else and be missing her.
> >
> > Hopefully, our new General Counsel will be even better.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Florence -- Trump's executive orders also involved the revocation of
non-immigrant visas. I don't think the choice of picture is inappropriate
at all.  In fact, I think it highlights just how poorly planned and
executed the executive order was in the first place.

Whether the sitenotice is a good idea in the first place, separate
question.


Dan Rosenthal

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's an unambiguously political statement. Not political in the sense of
> "everything we do is political" - but in the sense of opposing the policies
> of a single national government as promulgated by a head of state and
> supported by one political party in a deeply polarized and contentious
> political environment. I expect that any WMF official responsible for this
> report will acknowledge this is true, as there appears to be no way to
> honestly claim otherwise. In that case I hope they can provide a well
> reasoned and passionate defense of this decision and why the WMF should
> continue in this vein.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?

2015-06-04 Thread Dan Rosenthal
What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is
happening in the Wikimedia world?

That the WMF is one of the charities in this week's Humble Bundle (along
with MSF and charity:water) -- and it's actually a pretty good bundle.

https://www.humblebundle.com/

Dan Rosenthal

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 FWIW, Community Engagement will be doing something similar (mix of
 positive-serious with positive-fun)  in metrics meeting every month. You
 can see the first iteration during last month's metrics meeting:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings/2015-05

 Luis

 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:44 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Ps Fabrice sent the blog roundup while I was writing this! Those are all
  cool things. Would love to learn about more as well.
 
  Phoebe
  On Jun 4, 2015 2:41 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I need a break from thinking about things going wrong. And so per
 Milos'
   observation that discussion here is falling off, I thought I'd start an
   open discussion thread about things going right.
  
   What's a cool thing you just discovered or are involved in that is
   happening in the Wikimedia world?
  
   My contribution: the SF Wikimedia list just had an announcement about
 an
   edit-a-thon (organized by Jake Orlowitz at the wmf office) that is
   happening during the American Libraries Conference, which is in SF this
   year. 30,000 librarians attend ALA! I'm super pleased we are
 infiltrating
   library conferences :)
  
   What's happening over in your part of the project?
  
   Phoebe
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation of messages sent to this list

2014-06-21 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I might point out that I've perhaps needled GerardM more than most people
on this list (and even been moderated for it once years ago), but I find
his posts about WikiData interesting and I read them when I can. I think
Thomas Morton has a very good point though -- so if I may make a request:

 Whether the topic is Wikidata, or Wil, or Wikipediocracy, or pedophilia,
or whatever the drama was with Russavia, or Commons admins, or whatever it
is that raises hackles; can we all just be real for a second, and stop
feigning innocence/ignorance when we're trolling, being snarky, or posting
innocent questions that just so happen to cover a controversial topic, or
using misleading/distorted data to ask a pointed question? Seriously, this
list is becoming less like foundation-l and more like foxnews-l.

(To clarify this is not directed at Tomasz -- I'm just taking advantage of
his post to GerardM as being tangentially related.)

Dan

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On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Thomas Morton 
morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:

 At a guess; unpleasant snark.

 Tom
 On 21 Jun 2014 16:49, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com wrote:

  Earlier today, I used the Gmane.org gateway to send a message to this
  mailing list in response to the Iraqi 2014 elections thread started
  by GerardM.
 
  Here is the content of my message (typed from memory):
 
  Have you tried Google yet? It is a search engine that lets
  you search for information easily and accurately (most of
  the time).
 
  The Wikidata entry for Google is at
  https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9366.
 
  Hope this helps!
 
  Tomasz
 
  I was surprised to receive a notification saying that my e-mail was
  rejected by an unnamed moderator (as all e-mails sent to the list
  through Gmane have to be accepted before being sent on), with the
  following reason: Your message was deemed inappropriate by the
  moderator.
 
  I would like the unknown moderator to — please — explain to me what
  was so inappropriate in my message that they had to reject it.
 
  Thank you!
  --
  Tomasz
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Echoing Luis's shout-out to Michelle for such a colossal achievement.


Dan Rosenthal


P.S. Let me take this opportunity to again thank Michelle Paulson for her
work leading this process; all told, it has been something like 18 months
of work for her. And that is only the start for her - now that the policy
is in place, she'll be working extensively with ops, analytics, the
ombudsmen, and many others to ensure compliance and look for other ways to
improve privacy. She deserves a big round of applause from every
privacy-concerned Wikimedian for her tireless work on this issue, sometimes
under literally thankless conditions. :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
*And as much as I personally appreciate Wikimedia staff, I am inclined*



*to agree with the sentiment that perhaps we should hire more staff until
we get some who believe that it wouldn't cost $100,000 totransition to less
expensive hardware. And maybe some people who know how to order chassis?*

What makes you think they don't?

Dan Rosenthal


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:55 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 When this came up last time, it turned out that there was some kind of
 a deal in place, and certainly many if not most published pictures of
 the Wikimedia data center feature rows of shiny Dell logos.  But Dell
 does support Microsoft and the NSA, obviously, and also supports some
 very creative accounting methods to avoid paying taxes with tax
 havens. Dell's corporate structure adventures are not the sort of
 corporate behavior concordant with a mission to empower anyone other
 than Dell stockholders.

 If you don't like Cubietrucks, then how about RADXA? At least with
 http://dl.radxa.com/rock/docs/hw/RADXA_ROCK_schematic_20130903.pdf
 you know exactly what you're getting and it doesn't cost a huge power
 bill. We still failover when machines go out of service, and sure the
 caches would have different RAM configurations, but the fact is it
 doesn't cost more money to switch to ARM, and you jettison a bunch of
 legacy x86 crap that nobody uses but take millions of transistors
 which need to be powered. Why ask our donors to keep all those useless
 transistors warm?

 And as much as I personally appreciate Wikimedia staff, I am inclined
 to agree with the sentiment that perhaps we should hire more staff
 until we get some who believe that it wouldn't cost $100,000 to
 transition to less expensive hardware. And maybe some people who know
 how to order chassis?

 Best regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Changes at the Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Team

2013-07-29 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Congratulations about the new site Zack, and congratulations to Megan,
Lisa, and Sara!

Dan Rosenthal


On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:38 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know I've been critical of Zack Exley for technical reasons over the
 past year, but I think very highly of him as a person. If I was
 recruiting colonists for an interstellar colonization mission, he
 would likely be in the top 100 based on his accomplishments,
 orientation, drive, and social skills alone.

 But even if he weren't, his new project is outstandingly spectacular
 on its own merits, and I want to urge everyone reading this in or from
 the U.S. to sign up and join it:

 http://www.fivethirtysix.org/

 I predict that anyone with even a passing interest in U.S. politics
 who doesn't follow FiveThirtySix will first regret it, and then end up
 following it afterwards to prevent further such regret.

 Also, congratulations to Megan and Lisa!

 Sincerely,
 James Salsman

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?

Further, what does all but neutral mean?

Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police because
someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
upset, and why?

-Dan


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On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Hi,
 While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
 can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the correct
 place to post this.
 I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the staff
 in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
 made by professionals for that.
 I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
 suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage people
 and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on the
 picture his is faded out.
 I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Dan Rosenthal
You realize we have a page on Tattoos that shows just how prevalent they
are throughout the world, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tattoo


Also, I think you missed my sarcasm about Rory and the invisibility cloak.
They're non-issues, just as Brandon's photo is a non-issue.

-Dan


Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 4:18 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com wrote:

 Dan,
 A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a problem. Thats
 common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK thing.
 The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a mascot and I
 agree with Erik we need Tux for Engineering.
 And no, we are not in the 1950's but as a international organisation we
 should still keep in mind that tattoos aren't accepted world wide. Placing
 your tattoo on a staff page and your face faded away is provocating the
 fact that he has tattoo's and not proffesional.
 Secondly all staff pictures are made by a professional photographer? Or
 kind of in the same setting. That will keep the page uniform also.
 Ed
  From: swatjes...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 04:02:56 -0400
  To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images
 
  I don't see any problem with it. I'm not sure how it is somehow more
  unprofessional than absentee (for lack of a better term) pictures being
  labeled Cloak of invisibility? Or the picture of Rory as mascot?
 
  Further, what does all but neutral mean?
 
  Really, aren't there better things to do than play morality police
 because
  someone might be upset about some ink? This isn't the 1950's. Who is
  upset, and why?
 
  -Dan
 
 
  Dan Rosenthal
 
 
  On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com
 wrote:
 
   Hi,
   While its maybe not something for the whole community. Since only Staff
   can edit Wikimedia Foundation website I believe this will be the
 correct
   place to post this.
   I feel that the staff images on the Foundation site should show the
 staff
   in a good way where nobody can have a problem with it. The images being
   made by professionals for that.
   I believe the image Brandon Harris is using since this night is not
   suitable for a staff picture. The ink he is showing can discourage
 people
   and the picture is all but neutral. Secondly he isn't even really on
 the
   picture his is faded out.
   I would strongly advice to keep the images there proffesional.
   Ed
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Anthony and John beat me to it -- I was going to second the suggestion that
the sentence spend a bit of time being wordcrafted on Meta for extra eyes,
to clarify things like the National Security Letters, NSL gag orders, etc.

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

  e.g. we have never received or honored an NSA or FISA subpoena or
  order is good (and far better than I've seen from Google or
  Facebook), but ...
 
  does that exclude all possible orders under the Patriot Act?
  does that exclude orders from any U.S. Government agency?  e.g. FBI?
 

 Apparently if it's your communications records the government is after,
 they're more likely to use a National Security Letter (
 https://ssd.eff.org/foreign/fisa)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million

2013-05-28 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Felicitaciones!

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Great job on the video And congratulations for 1m articles!

 On May 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:

  In Puebla city, too :D
 
 
  2013/5/27 Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimedia.org.ar
 
  Thanks for the announcement, Salvador.
  It was a really hard work to coordinate the recordings in Buenos Aires,
  Puebla, Jerusalem and La Paz, but I think we did a good job :)
 
  *Osmar Valdebenito G.*
  Director Ejecutivo
  A. C. Wikimedia Argentina
 
 
  2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
  Also, it's in Commons:
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Un_mill%C3%B3n_de_gracias,_de_Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol.webm
 
 
  2013/5/26 Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 
  To celebrate this milestone, Iberocoop chapters have made this video
  that
  we share with you:
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLw_Z8w604
 
  Enjoy it!
 
  Regards!
 
 
  2013/5/17 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
 
Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia!
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg
 
  Pine
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia-l administrator/moderator

2013-05-27 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Congratulations Richard (for taking up the task) and also thank you to Alex
for your work on the list as well.

Best,
Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov 
alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please join me in welcoming our new Wikimedia-l list
 administrator/moderator, Richard Ames. Richard is a retired electronics
 technician and computer scientist living in Sydney, Australia. He started
 using the 'Internet' in 1981 to read USENET FAQs and communicate by email.
 He has been a Wikipedia editor since 2004 as User:Ariconte. He is a member
 of the FDC advisory group.

 I will remain on as administrator/moderator for a short transition period.

 Alex
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exit Interview - Sue

2013-05-17 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Huh, I did not know that (I use Reddit maybe once a year at best). Perhaps
that wouldn't be a bad thing though, if that means you are speaking
directly to a relevant audience (men in an all male environment, about
gender gaps).

Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dan Rosenthal, 17/05/2013 07:32:

  Is there any thought or discussion as to whether Sue could (or would want
 to) additionally do an actual Reddit IAmA, as Jorm did? Don't get me
 wrong,
 I understand why it is on Meta and I think the Meta interview is a great
 idea, but there is also something to be said for presenting to an audience
 of people beyond our immediate community of users who even know about
 meta,
 which Reddit's IAmA subreddit is. Especially since Sue has done some very
 important work on things like gender issues and her departing thoughts on
 broader internet governance issues that would benefit from a wider
 audience.


 Note however that Reddit is an all-male environment, as noted on some
 other list linking this: https://infobeautiful3.s3.**
 amazonaws.com/2013/01/1276_**chicks_rule.pnghttps://infobeautiful3.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/01/1276_chicks_rule.png
 .
 (Still not as bad as Wikimedia!)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exit Interview - Sue

2013-05-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Is there any thought or discussion as to whether Sue could (or would want
to) additionally do an actual Reddit IAmA, as Jorm did? Don't get me wrong,
I understand why it is on Meta and I think the Meta interview is a great
idea, but there is also something to be said for presenting to an audience
of people beyond our immediate community of users who even know about meta,
which Reddit's IAmA subreddit is. Especially since Sue has done some very
important work on things like gender issues and her departing thoughts on
broader internet governance issues that would benefit from a wider audience.

-Dan



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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:

 This was a wonderful idea.  Thank you both for organizing it.  SJ

 On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  A few weeks ago MZMcBride proposed an exit interview for Sue on Meta. I
  believe his intention was something similar to Reddit's IAmA. I thought
  that this was a good idea and supported it. Sue has been at the helm for
 a
  long while, it would be interesting to get her reflection on all the
  changes, and give everyone who missed the last IRC office hour session, a
  chance to ask any lingering questions.
 
  Sue graciously accepted to do an exit interview a couple of weeks ago.
 The
  page is already set up on Meta[1] for this, and we have a few questions
  already. So far, things are organizing themselves pretty well with
 everyone
  voting on what questions are finally picked. Please understand that we
 want
  this to be a slow process, so everyone has time to see the questions and
 it
  can take weeks to get your answer.
 
  I would like to invite everyone reading this to have a look at the page.
  Please feel free to post your questions or vote for the ones already
  listed. Signpost, Wikinews or any other project/group that wants to use
 the
  exit interview is welcomed to follow that page and add to it. Thanks to
 MZ
  for getting things rolling on Meta and Sue, for accepting to do this.
 
  Regards
  Theo
 
 
  [1]http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_exit_interview/Sue_Gardner
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

2013-05-15 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Florence,

I agree with you almost completely, but I would also note that it is also
partially about the user's thought processes and business norms that
determine how fast it is. My employer, for instance, has a wiki that's
meant to be a collaborative resource where disparate elements from across
the (several thousands of persons with access) organization can quickly
iterate on a document the same way we make revisions to our wikis. In
practice, however, we are so accustomed to a high level waterfall style
process as you describe, with a primary author and several interested
parties clearing the copy, it completely loses any benefit of the process
and becomes no different to me than a Sharepoint site with slightly better
UI.

-Dan

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On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Just yesterday during a meeting, a working partner of mine said that he
 really could not understand why on earth we were insisting so much that
 wiki meant quick. Whilst the edit itself maybe done very quickly, it
 actually lead people installing wikis to believe this will accelerate the
 production process (=increase productivity).

 It is actually incorrect; In most cases, collaborative editing using a
 wiki does actually take MORE time than the traditional back and fro of a
 document written on a desktop editor and forwarded to others by email (or
 dropbox or whatever). Traditional way of doing things is actually so boring
 than most multi-authored documents end up being essentially written by one
 and lightly copyedited by others, a process which is often much quicker
 than the slow and laborious co-writing process on a wiki.

 Of course, the second is likely to result in a better document, so that
 the argument to use a wiki should be better documents rather than
 quicker process.

 (No reference to conflict here. It is just a side thought emerging from my
 mind as I read this post about patience)

 Flo




 On 5/15/13 9:31 AM, Chris Keating wrote:

 Thank you Michael for the thoughtful post!

 I very much agree. I read somewhere (don't ask me for a citation!) that
 the
 physiological effects of anger - increased levels of adrenalin and
 cortisol, high heart rate, and the like - take about 30 minutes to return
 to normal after something happens that makes you angry.

 Back in the day if you received a letter that made you angry, you would
 have several hours to write an immediate response, which would then
 probably take several more hours to reach its recipient, who would
 probably
 respond the next day... plenty of time for the physical reaction of anger
 to subside.

 Email, usenet, PhPBB, wikis and the like means there is a technological
 method of ensuring that responses can be written and shared instantly (and
 angrily) and, indeed, in heated threads you can quite happily exchange
 messages which provoke an emotional response quickly enough that your
 flight-or-fight reflex is being triggered repeatedly over a period of
 hours
 with every ping of your inbox.

 So basically; yes, I agree.

 Regards,

 Chris



 On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com
 wrote:

  I originally wrote this message last year on a nonpublic list. It seemed
 to be well received, and some people asked me to share it publicly, but I
 didn't get around to it then. I think this would be a good time to share
 it
 here now. It is not specifically directed at recent issues here, but I
 think it does have some relevance. (I have some thoughts more directly
 related to those matters as well, which I hope to share when I have time
 to
 write them down. That might not happen until late Friday, which is
 probably
 not the best time for it, but based on recent history perhaps I can still
 hope some people will be reading then.)

 Internet technology is known for letting things happen much faster than
 they did before we were all so connected. This speed now seems normal to
 us
 and, being immersed in that culture, we have come to expect it. Wikis, as
 one aspect of that culture, have the feature of making that speed a
 personal tool - you can make something happen right away. How many of us
 got involved because we saw a mistake and figuratively couldn't wait to
 fix
 it? And when we discovered that we literally didn't have to wait, we were
 hooked.

 One result of this is a culture that caters to impatience, sometimes even
 rewards it. And that's why we are often tempted to think that being
 irritable is a way of getting things done. We imagine: this problem
 should
 be instantly solved, my idea can be implemented right away, I will be
 immediately informed about whatever I care about. But as our culture
 grows
 in scale, none of that remains true (and perhaps, we get more irritated
 as
 a result).

 I wish I could say that because it's a matter of scale, technology will
 take care of things because that's how we handle scaling. However, the
 issue is not about whether

[Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Dan Rosenthal
While we are waiting, if Matthew could also check whether I still have my
access rights to the blog, if I do I would appreciate them being removed as
I do not need them.

On Monday, May 13, 2013, Thehelpfulone wrote:

 On 13 May 2013 13:02, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:

  Thanks for clarifying why Huib had his blog access revoked Tilman. Please
  could you clarify why Casey and Alex (who haven't been socking, at least
  not to my knowledge!) had their access revoked without notification?


 Ah I sent this just before your response, so I'm happy to wait for Matthew
 to reply to this question.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Global renames will be done by Stewards then, yes?

-Dan

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  ...
  One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If account
 has too many edits, he may not be able to get it renamed further.
  ...

 It just needs to be done server side, The same way it already is.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

2013-04-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Christophe,

About this reconnaissance d'utilite publique or supercharity concept;
is there a link to an analysis (preferable) or even just the text of the
law/provision/regulation? Even one in French only would be OK, I'm just
curious to know more about how it works in practice.

-Dan

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 29 April 2013 21:28, Christophe Henner
 christophe.hen...@wikimedia.fr wrote:
 ...
  In face of that situation, Wikimedia France board has asked WMF to
  stop being a payment processor in 2013

 Hi Christophe, thank you for giving this difficult decision some
 suitable context, and for doing so openly and promptly.

 Could someone advise me, is there an official table on meta showing
 the current list of Chapters with payment processing agreements in
 place for the 2013 fund raiser?

 Independently of any hat I happen to be wearing, I am planning on
 putting aside some volunteer time to examine the
 admin:fundraising:program ratio for our organizations over the next
 few months, so it makes sense to ensure this is achieved for the
 current payment processors, rather than just those organizations that
 are easy to find the figures for or come forward spontaneously. I
 would support other sensible top level performance indicators should
 they be identified and become available soon, FDC members may have
 a view on what might work well as the top 5 indicators. Hopefully at
 least the admin ratio can be publicly shared before October this year to
 help foster a pragmatic discussion on simple dashboards and governance.

 I'm hoping that the WMF can set a lead by publishing a calculation of
 admin ratio for themselves. ;-)

 PS staff salaries are not all automatically 'admin', I hope we can
 agree that some
 program activities are entirely justifiably supported by paid staff
 and contractors.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CFAAA+CALEA vs. SOPA+PIPA: the amortization

2013-04-15 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Mathieu: CFAA is the federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which
criminalizes among other things unauthorized access or exceeding authorized
access of a protected system, and is found at 18 U.S.C. 1030.

CALEA is the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, which is a
federal wiretapping law making it easier for law enforcement to wiretap
certain digital communications; I believe the latest provisions under
discussion involve VoIP.  EFF discusses here:
https://www.eff.org/issues/calea

Hope that helps,

-Dan

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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Mathieu Stumpf 
psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote:

 Le 2013-04-15 09:39, FastLizard4 a écrit :

  {{cn}} 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Template:Cnhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cn
 is the template on
 the English Wikipedia that inserts the little [citation needed] text.
  So, in other words, Marc is asking for James to provide sources to back
 up his (James') claim.
 - --


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
A couple of counterarguments for Ting:

1) (WMF does not need an endowment).  The crux of this argument is that the
WMF is not dependent on large grants, but from a widely spread grassroots
campaign of small donations. While it is true that this has worked for us
in the past, the WMF budget grows and gets bigger, and it is dangerous to
rely solely on donations. A year of underperforming donations, poor
fundraising, bad economy affecting users willingness to donate, etc., could
be disastrous for the WMF. An endowment is a long-term security blanket to
cover the WMF in situations when fundraising fails. Additionally, our
fundraising model is not perfect. Zack can correct me if I'm wrong on this,
but the annual fundraising drive is disruptive to people's experiences and
expectations. It serves as a reminder, but probably also serves to turn
some people off to further engagement in Wikimedia.  We've evolved from
staring at Jimmy-face year after year, and our campaigns keep getting
better, (thanks in no small part to work by Megan, Zack, Ryan, and the rest
of that team) but it would be best if we didn't have to run them at all. So
no, I dispute the premise that the WMF does not need an endowment.  It's
been well established that we can benefit from an endowment, and while
there are certainly drawbacks, sticking the status quo is not really
acceptable for this kind of innovative organization.

2) (Endowment poses extra risks and problems for WMF).  Yes, endowments
require money management. So does fundraising. Is it really so different
for us to have a team dedicated to overseeing and growing an endowment,
than for us to have a team that exists mostly to run tests on banners for
fundraising every year?   The comparison to banks is irrelevant. An
endowment is not a bank, it is not regulated as a bank, and it answers to a
different set of stakeholders than a bank does. The 2008 financial meltdown
was a catastrophic failure of management, oversight, ethics, on many sides.
Despite the AAA ratings from Moodys and other institutions, plenty of
people saw it coming and gave the dire warnings.  Actually, an endowment
acts as a hedge against this sort of thing. Careful wealth management can
limit the risk to the endowment from market shocks that fundraising cannot
avoid. For instance, high unemployment will, broadly speaking, hurt
fundraising which depends on disposable income.  Endowments don't rely
nearly as directly on end-consumers, their confidence, and their
job/financial security.

3) (Endowment counterproductive to vision). I disagree with this point as
well. The Wikimedia vision and culture is about getting information to
people, about sharing, about freedom of knowledge.  I wholly disagree that
the fundraising campaign is an effective way to propogate this culture. In
fact, it is antithetical to this culture. It is essentially an annual
hostage-taking of the WMF projects until we get our money. It means that
projects are not truly free -- they are not gratis because if enough people
don't donate, they will disappear, and they are arguably not libre because
they are under a constant existential threat.  If we want more people to
have access to Wikimedia projects which makes more sense -- removing the
risk of shutdown by employing an endowment that will ensure the freedom of
the projects in perpetuity; or to beg for money year after year, simply
because it reminds people that we exist?

Finally, it's a false dichotomy that we can't have both an endowment and do
fundraising. The endowment itself can do its own fundraising as needed,
which can serve the purpose of reminding people we exist, and continuing to
grow from a personal, grassroots level (rather than by large grants).

Frankly, without senior WMF staff buy-in, an endowment is dead in the
water. Even if the community designed and implemented one on their own,
it'd need support from all sorts of other entities (WMF legal, probably
WCA, etc.).

-Dan

Dan Rosenthal


On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:

 Hello dear all,

 at first thank you very much MZ for put this together. This is a quite hot
 topic both for the board election, which is coming soon again, and also on
 the board.

 The following is my personal opinion why WMF should not build an
 endowment. The rationale from me are the following three:
 1. WMF doesn't need an endowment
 2. An endowment poses extra risks and problems for the WMF
 3. From some aspect an endowment is contraproductive for the WMF even if
 we ignore the risks.

 Let me explain in more detail:

 1. WMF does not need an endowment.

 For most NGO and non-profit organizations, an endowment is a method to
 mitigate the risk of unconstant income and unsecure funding. With the
 endowment the organization is indepenmdant on the ever changing fundraising
 result or on its dependance on grants. The WMF is not facing these
 problems. The WMF is not dependant on one or few grants, and it is not
 dependant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-18 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Nathan hit on something that I was thinking about, while reading Darius and
Nemo's comments.  (some snipping below)

We should also consider how having an endowment might affect the
democratic nature of the WMF  This is the flipside of making the
organization dependent on the annual fundraiser. If at some point the
WMF loses the confidence,
interest or support of the greater community of readers, then the
organization will suffer as a result. But as an endowment becomes
larger, the influence of the community decreases and the independence
of management increases.

This is definitely a risk, and one that needs to be addressed. In our
current state I think if we had an endowment magically appear today,  the
combination of board, staff, and community could be counted on to provide
enough oversight that while there may be policy disputes, the vision and
fundamental shape of the WMF are generally similar to what they are now. We
could reasonably count on that to stay the same in the near future. But as
that timeline grows further into the future, that assumption becomes more
shaky, especially when you reach the point in time where the majority of
staff/board/users have turned over from the present generation to the next;
losing that institutional memory.  We've seen how contentious questions
involving the community's relationship with the WMF can be.  If the
endowment can be structured in such a way that it guarantees perpetual
community oversight of the WMF's implementation of the movement's vision,
this is a good thing. But if not, it risks the organization slowly drifting
into something different, without the leverage of the fundraiser to bring
it back.


Dan Rosenthal


On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:52 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 18 March 2013 13:39, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  Just having a backup is only 1/10th of the problem though, if that.
  If Wikimedia Commons, for example, where to disappear in a cloud of smoke
  overnight what would it take to turn one of those backups into a properly
  functioning replacement?
  Open knowledge data is only useful when it's accessible :)


 Yes, that's the precise thing I'm saying needs proper testing :-)

 My threat model here is if WMF vanishes one day, say it's hit by a
 meteor (including legal meteors).


 - d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

2013-03-07 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I can't find a copy of mine (probably in storage somewhere) but I would
assume mine was identical to Keegan's since we came in at the same time and
did the same job.

-Dan

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Katie Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote:

  On 06/03/2013 23:00, MZMcBride wrote:
 
 
  Out of curiosity, if you sign an NDA as a volunteer, what is the
  disclosure period, then? Is it indefinite?
 
 
  Disclosure period? If you mean how long the party is bound by the
  agreement, then it'll depends on the exact agreement. For things like
  personally identifiable information, it will be forever which is kinda
 the
  point of having the NDA in the first place.
 
  KTC


 My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years.  I found the copy.

 James Salsman:

 There are no terms about disparaging information or anything like that.
  Save it for another thread, please.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior
level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm
not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has
used Oppenheim for executive searches before.) My understanding is that the
value in the prospect is simply because Oppenheim simply has a wider reach
and base of contacts than the WMF does. If memory serves, they were the
ones who found Geoff Brigham, and I believe they also found the replacement
for Veronique as CFOO. I'm not really sure why this is suddenly a concern
now, and not before, especially given the quality of success they've had in
the past.

-Dan

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On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:21 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote:

 my first thought when i read this was should i use my free time to
 edit wikipedia so that somebody donates money to wmf, and they use it
 to pay oppenheim?

 On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:
  I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board
  member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our
  advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?).
 
  On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Alice Wiegand awieg...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
 
  as you know, we have one vacant appointed seat on the Board of
 Trustees. We
  have asked m/Oppenheim Associates to assist us in finding a new board
  member and and we are reaching out to the community for suggestions and
  nominations.
 
  The Board functions as a governance body that is ultimately responsible
 for
  the Wikimedia Foundation and its activities, supervises the disposition
 and
  solicitation of donations, and evaluates the organization’s Executive
  Director who leads all Foundation staff. As arguably the most
 influential
  and respected organization in the free knowledge movement, the Wikimedia
  Foundation and its Board have a great responsibility for setting policy
  deliberately and with due consideration for the diverse interests of a
  truly global community. To find out more about the responsibilities and
  workings of the board you can have a look at the Board
  manualhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_board_manual
  .
 
  As with any search process we will be communicating with a lot of
 potential
  candidates to see if we are a good match. The Board’s objective is to
 use
  this search to strengthen its competence with regards to board
 governance,
  grantmaking, strategy, and expertise with regions where Wikimedia is
 trying
  to make rapid strides in the growth of our projects.
 
  Board terms are for a two year period. Compared to other boards the time
  commitment is very significant. The Board of Trustees meets four times a
  year, twice in San Francisco and twice in changing locations around the
  globe. Meetings take two days and travel can add another two days to
 each
  meeting. In addition, the Board communicates frequently by email and
  Internet Relay Chat (IRC) as it navigates policy issues. This can absorb
  4-10 hours weekly. Board members also regularly engage with the
 Community
  through wiki pages.
 
  We think that the WMF would benefit from a Board member who has
 experience
  with organizations that have grown and evolved rapidly, and who
 understands
  how boards can evolve to provide appropriate governance support in these
  changing circumstances. Experience with international, community-driven,
  consensus organizations is also important as the Foundation would not
 exist
  without the community.
 
  We would like to call upon you to help us out with finding the right
  individual. A complete position description can be found
  here
 
 http://moppenheim.com/searches/links/Wikimedia%20Foundation%20-%20Board%20Member%20position%20description%20-%20final.pdf
  and
  additional information can be found at
  www.moppenheim.com and www.wikimediafoundation.org. Your suggestions
 and
  nominations are very welcome. Please feel free to reach out to your
  networks and distribute this note as you deem appropriate.
 
  Interested individuals should contact Lisa Grossman
 li...@moppenheim.com
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal
What would be nice to have would be a not-overly-detailed summary of how
payment processing/fundraising was done 5 years ago, and how it is being
done this year (and in the future) with new payment processing, FDC, etc.
Because frankly, I don't have a clue anymore.

Dan Rosenthal


On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 I'd actually like to clarify something about the way fundraisers work,
 because it may not be readily apparent to everyone remember that the
 date that the goal is hit is always fuzzy, because we actually don't know
 it until it's viewed in retrospect.  There's money that comes in on a date
 that isn't actually posted until later (for instance, check transactions,
 which aren't posted the day they're received or transactions from payment
 processors that may report on a 24 hour delay - I don't know if there are
 any of these right now, but there used to be - or something similar).

 So you actually don't know what date you hit the mark until you're quite
 a bit farther down the line.  Systems are markedly better this year than
 ever before, but I remember the year that I worked the fundraiser, we were
 a week or more behind on posting checks.  That's just a manpower issue.

 So while it's easy to talk about the date as though there's a magic total
 board, there's not.  It's mostly good guesswork by Zack, his team, and the
 payment processing chapters in approximating when it happens.

 pb

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 On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:21 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
   Thanks for the encouragement!  We're really sorry that this decision
 came
   so close to the fundraiser. But I think it's necessary and is going to
  make
   things so much better. I'm hoping that we can get the fundraiser down
 to
   something like 30 days this year (from 46 last year)
 
  Is that 46 day figure when the goal was reached and exceeded or when
  they were turned off, Since last year (and a few others if i'm not
  mistaken) those were two different dates.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FAQ - Board Resolution on Personal Image Hiding Feature

2012-07-16 Thread Dan Rosenthal
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dan Rosenthal, 16/07/2012 20:01:

  It's like you read the first 14 words, ignored everything else, and
 twisted
 it around until it doesn't even resemble what he actually said


 Oh really? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=User_talk:**
 Jimbo_Walesdiff=prevoldid=**481889811https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Walesdiff=prevoldid=481889811
 
 What does it mean in your opinion then?


It means exactly what Jimmy said.

Commons would be a lot better off placed under the jurisdiction of our
ArbCom, but that isn't going to happen. What would be best would be for
Commons to get their house in order themselves. I hope people are willing
to help them with that. There are good people at commons who are trying.-

Jimmy is saying that Commons should fix their own problems, and that it
ISN'T going to be placed under ArbCom's jurisdiction. The words en.wiki
community should rule Commons are not anywhere to be found, either in
letter or in spirit. What you suggested that he said rises to the Fox News
level of misleading.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The way I read it, Steven correct me if I am wrong, he is writing in a
staff role, but not necessarily within his Engineering responsibilities.

Dan Rosenthal


On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:04 AM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  P.S. On a personal note, I wanted to say that though I'm writing this
  with my staff accout during working hours, this is not really a part
  of my core job description now that I've joined Engineering and
  Product Development. I've spent my time authoring this policy and
  proposing it because I think it's really important, not merely because
  I was assigned to do so.


 Steven, just a note, I'd be a bit more comfortable if you could clearly
 demarcate whether you are doing this in your staff role or as a
 volunteer. You are debating a few people who are opposing that policy using
 your Steven Walling (WMF) staff account. And, not everyone new on Meta
 might be aware of that postscript you just added here. It also doesn't help
 that 4 of the 12 supporters for implementing the policy in its current form
 are WMF staff.


 Regards
 Theo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] TomTom does a Britannica

2012-06-07 Thread Dan Rosenthal
OSM is great. Here in Addis Ababa, street names are not used except in a
handful of major thoroughfares; people navigate by landmark. OSM has far
more navigable map of the city than googlemaps does.  In some areas it
labels the street name in the local fashion (e.g. Road to Gerji Giorgis).
Yet it fails in other aspects -- the U.S. embassy is the most recognizable
landmark on Intoto street, and is not listed; neither are the French,
German, or British embassies. The EU Commission is not listed on Cape Verde
st. even though that street is commonly known as EU Road. Yet, the
Brazilian Ambassador's residence, not a particularly well known landmark,
is known.


Dan Rosenthal


On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Cristian Consonni
kikkocrist...@gmail.comwrote:

 2012/6/7 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:
  the house because it's not
  on their navigation systems...

 May I thank evebody participating in this discussion for the
 throughout update on navigation system?
 I am finding it very interesting, above all the comparising among
 different countries. =)

 Cristian

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