Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-11 Thread Dan Szymborski
As long as people are going to continue to talk about me and imply that I'm actually *harassing* people, then I feel I have a right to defend myself. No, clear warnings weren't given. I compared the action of a *non-profit board* tangentially to *flatulence* and I was immediately talked down to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Dan Szymborski
gt; find > > that text-based communication provides complications for discussions > about > > emotional topics. I can see you feel passionate about this situation and > > upset about the result. > > > > Best, > > > > Jackie > > > > On Thu, Sep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Dan Szymborski
> > Wikipedia has been a third tier social media platform since its > inception. > > Luckily we are better known for being an encyclopedia. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:31 AM Dan Szymborski > > wrote: > > > > > I am absolutely flabbergasted tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Dan Szymborski
I strongly disagree. There's no "reasonable person" standard in which anything I said would be found offensive. I'm frequently sought out by professors as a *mentor* for journalism students and we talk about issues such as this. I'm no shock jock. If anything, this spell highlights one of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Dan Szymborski
> >>> > >>> Our roles in the discussion should consider not only our needs as > >>> individuals but the needs of the broader communities. To dismiss the > UCoC > >>> is failing to recognize privilege and power structures and their effect > >> on > >>&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-09 Thread Dan Szymborski
e > > Wikip(m)edia community would be represented or vote on weather to have a > > UCoC. > > > > The current model isn't bad. I do think we should review the draft and > if > > there are specific wording we disagree with, we can either suggest > > impro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
There was meant to be a " " there, but my phone rudely stripped it. If it does it again, I'll make up a rule and suspend it for a year. It's what the WMF would want, I'm sure. On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 3:45 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szym

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
bad. I do think we should review the draft and if > there are specific wording we disagree with, we can either suggest > improvement or removal altogether. I honestly think we need to help and > support the drafting committee at this stage. > > Regards > > Isaac > > On Tue, 8

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
see anything that > looks like an "imposition" > > The Universal Code of Conduct is not a substitute to the existing policy or > guidelines but a behavioural guidelines expected of users in any Wikimedia > project. > > Regards > > Isaac > > > On Tue, 8 Sep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Dan Szymborski
As this is being explicitly imposed by the board from above without community approval, participating in any way is ethically unsound. Doubly so without a board election preceding this as the WMF has arbitrarily denied communities the right, as manifested in the election of the community seats, to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Feedback requested on draft outline of Transition events

2020-08-11 Thread Dan Szymborski
This is a bit like your local pizza place asking you what time you're going to pick up the pizza you didn't actually order. "Here are the recommendations. Now let's start implementing those recommendations!" is definitely something that's missing a middle step. On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 3:00 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-28 Thread Dan Szymborski
Question about the timeline: will the community's opinions be ignored at the July or at the August meeting? Or is this considered a continual process? This information would help people with their planning. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 8:37 PM Zack McCune wrote: > Dear all, > > We want to confirm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-28 Thread Dan Szymborski
A survey in which the board's decision cannot possibly be disputed sounds like a perfect fit rather than an unfit one. On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:35 AM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > It is not methodologically sound to continue using a survey which is unfit > for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: > Hi Gnangarra > > I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least > because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of > Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation. > > > Resigning is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Dan Szymborski
OK, you say that you take "full responsibility" for the situation. What exactly does "full responsibility" entail? How will the relations between the board and the communities differ compared to the moment *before* full responsibility was taken? Is the board changing the degree to which it will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Brand Project] Rescheduling Naming Convention Proposal community review

2020-06-21 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 6:58 PM Zack McCune wrote: > Hi GerardM, > > Indeed! > > > As I mentioned in my earlier message, the process will be multilingual. We > want to ensure that as many people as possible from across the movement > have the opportunity to participate, so we are working hard to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-05-03 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:18 PM James Salsman wrote: > > "Wikipedia should support any political movement that makes > > people's lives better because they will then have more time to edit > > Wikipedia," is an incredibly dubious line of reasoning. It would > literally > > cover anything in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Preparing for feedback on naming convention proposals

2020-05-02 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 7:25 AM Samir Elsharbaty wrote: > The 2030 Movement Brand Project is now moving into Phase 2: naming > convention proposals [1]. This is the most anticipated phase of this > project. It will ask the movement to evaluate which proposal(s) best > communicate who we are so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-29 Thread Dan Szymborski
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 1:21 PM wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:00 AM Bill Takatoshi > wrote: > > > And again, I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base is opposed to > > campaign finance reform > > > I doubt even 5% of the long term editor base has any opinion on this > “campaign finance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-02 Thread Dan Szymborski
I'm not sure I could design a process more guaranteed to result in complete resistance from the community if I tried. It's gobsmacking that far more effort was made on putting together a nice little junket to Tunisia than any sort of effort to seek community-buy-in. The working groups had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-13 Thread Dan Szymborski
This is largely my feeling as well. If you look at one of Andrew's links: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/brainstorm You'll see some quite vigorous opposition to the name change and robust support for explicitly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-07 Thread Dan Szymborski
Given the typical response rate for polling is extremely low, even among groups of people who agreed to be polled, the 20% metric is absurd. If you put out some random notice among a million other emails to 9,000 people on various lists submitting a proposition to change the name to Fart Factory