Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-25 Thread David Goodman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread David Goodman
 > > > > >
> > > > > > When you bad mouth other users there should be, and will be,
> > > > > consequences.
> > > > > > An admin got desysoped and banned after repeated warnings? So
> > what? The
> > > > > > only ting to be learned is that some people believe they can do
> > > > whatever
> > > > > > they want and it has no consequences, and other people goes
> > ballistic
> > > > > when
> > > > > > consequences happen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would have given desysoped fram and 14 days to cool off, and if
> > that
> > > > > did
> > > > > > not work out repeated with one month. Banning someone for one
> year
> > is
> > > > > like
> > > > > > telling them to leave and don't come back. Someone at WMF is
> > clearly
> > > > > overly
> > > > > > sensitive, but not reacting would also be wrong.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread David Goodman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Spaces and call for submissions for Wikimania 2019 Stockholm

2019-05-09 Thread David Goodman
Note: Deadline for submissions is  1 June.

On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 3:04 AM Ad Huikeshoven 
wrote:

> Hi Liam,
>
> This looks great!
>
> Ad
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:28 AM Liam Wyatt  wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimaniacs, Wikimedians, and friends of the Wikiverse!
> >
> > On behalf of the Wikimania 2019 Stockholm organising team, I am pleased
> to
> > announce two things:
> >
> > - The list of accepted "Spaces".
> >
> > - That the Call for Submissions is now OPEN.
> >
> > https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Submissions
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the Leaders of each of the accepted
> > Wikimania 2019 Spaces! As per the program design[1], Wikimania this year
> > has the format of "Spaces", each with its own group of "Leaders" - all of
> > who made a proposal to host a Space back in March. The core team has been
> > working with the Leaders since then to prepare an interesting, diverse,
> and
> > coherent conference. Each Space has its own topic area, and in their own
> > way they all of them help address the conference theme: "Stronger
> together:
> > Wikimedia, Free Knowledge and the Sustainable Development Goals".[2]
> >
> > Each Space will have its own room for a period of time in the conference
> to
> > curate and coordinate as they see fit.[3] You can read about what each
> > Space is planning to achieve, and who is Leading it, at the link above.
> In
> > English-alphabetical order they are:
> >
> >-
> >
> >Accessibility (A11y): Components and Standards
> >-
> >
> >Global Advocacy for Free Knowledge: Trends, Challenges, and
> > Opportunities
> >-
> >
> >Community Growth
> >-
> >
> >Diversity
> >-
> >
> >Education
> >-
> >
> >Environmental sustainability
> >-
> >
> >GLAM - cultural partnerships and Wikimedia
> >-
> >
> >Growing Wikimedia’s readership worldwide
> >-
> >
> >Health
> >-
> >
> >Languages
> >-
> >
> >Libraries belong in Wikimedia projects
> >-
> >
> >Multimedia knowledge
> >-
> >
> >Partnerships
> >-
> >
> >Quality
> >-
> >
> >Research
> >-
> >
> >Thriving in Safety
> >-
> >
> >Strategy for Wikimedia 2030 – The path towards our future
> >-
> >
> >Transcription
> >-
> >
> >Technology outreach & innovation
> >
> > And of course the Poster session, which will be a plenary event.
> >
> > For 2019, there is no 'central' program committee nor a single submission
> > form. To make a submission, visit the page of the Space which most
> relates
> > to your proposal, read its instructions for what kinds of submissions the
> > Leaders of that Space wish to receive. Then click the submission button.
> >
> > Each Space is looking for different kinds of content or format. So it is
> > important that people wanting to propose a
> presentation/workshop/panel/etc
> > at Wikimania read the information that the Leaders of each Space have
> > provided.
> >
> > Once again, the link to the list of all the accepted Spaces, each with
> its
> > own submission form, is here:
> > https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Submissions#Spaces
> >
> > Please feel free to share/forward this email.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > - Liam Wyatt (Volunteer program chair), and Eric Luth (Conference
> Manager,
> > Wikimedia Sverige)
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Program_design
> >
> > [2] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Theme
> >
> > [3] Note that the Spaces do NOT all have the same room capacity, or
> > duration. Thus the content of the Wikimania program is not intending to
> be
> > 'evenly spread' across these topic areas.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-19 Thread David Goodman
Peter, all of these would be useful .  The most useful of all would be a
list of those that have been deleted as drafts that were not improved for 6
months--I havre a partial list, but there is no easy way of screening it. A
spreadsheet with links to the deleted versions and to the google scholar
and worldcat records would be an enormous help--I became an admin 12 years
ago specifically to rescue deleted articles, but there is no systematic way
of finding them.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:33 AM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> David,
> Would your work be influenced by an analysis of the academic biographies
> which are most searched for that are not on Wikipedia yet? (assuming that
> such an targeted analysis was available)
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> PS. An analysis that included a check of whether the topic was likely to
> be notable and a listing of possible sources would also save a lot of
> wasted effort. Also a check against articles that have been deleted for
> good reasons, and articles in other languages with a reasonable accessible
> reference list.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of David Goodman
> Sent: 12 March 2019 07:15
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?
>
> "with popular topics cannibalizing resources."
>
> What resources can be cannibalized?   The limiting resource in WP is
> interested people writing, improving, and validating  articles.  People
> choose their own topics.  This is different from an organization where
> staff can be directed to work on what the management think is important.
>
> I, for example, almost totally avoid most aspects of what is popular
> culture--I am neither competent nor interested. ) The topics I work on are
> those that interest me, mainly academic biographies. I'm sure most  people
> do not think them important.  We're volunteers, and must tolerate each
> others interests.
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:06 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> > We should be using a grid for what people are reading about, instead
> > of using countries. That will give a better representation of large
> > countries vs small countries. It will also better reflect local ethnic
> > groups.
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:53 PM Amir E. Aharoni
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת ‪Gerard Meijssen‬‏ <‪
> > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but
> > really
> > > > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people
> are
> > > > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what
> > proves
> > > > to be of interest [1] ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Actually, there was some work done around it. Here are some examples:
> > >
> > > 1. The Discovery (Search) team in the Foundation researched searches in
> > > Wikimedia sites' search box that yielded zero results. This was done in
> > > 2016 or so, led by Dan Garry as the product manager, and this lead to
> > some
> > > improvements in the functionality of Wikimedia sites' internal search
> > > engine, although I don't remember what they were exactly.
> > >
> > > 2. Google's Project Tiger provided lists of articles for which people
> > often
> > > search in the Google search engine in India, and about which there are
> no
> > > articles in Wikipedias in languages of India. See
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program
> > >
> > > 3. Last year I made a list of articles that people search for in their
> > > language using the interlanguage links search box and cannot find. You
> > can
> > > see a sample here:
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amire80/WEIRD/2018-04-09%E2%80%932018-04-15
> > > . I plan to make this list nicer-looking and auto-updating some time
> > soon.
> > >
> > > 4. The GapFinder project is another tool that helps people find
> articles
> > > that are missing in some wikis:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GapFinder
> > >
> > > 5. This is just an idea, but it's written down, which is a bit better
> > than
> > > nothing: Show the most popular articles by country in the PageViews
> tool,
> > > rather than just by language. It's documented at
> > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread David Goodman
"with popular topics cannibalizing resources."

What resources can be cannibalized?   The limiting resource in WP is
interested people writing, improving, and validating  articles.  People
choose their own topics.  This is different from an organization where
staff can be directed to work on what the management think is important.

I, for example, almost totally avoid most aspects of what is popular
culture--I am neither competent nor interested. ) The topics I work on are
those that interest me, mainly academic biographies. I'm sure most  people
do not think them important.  We're volunteers, and must tolerate each
others interests.

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 5:06 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> We should be using a grid for what people are reading about, instead
> of using countries. That will give a better representation of large
> countries vs small countries. It will also better reflect local ethnic
> groups.
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:53 PM Amir E. Aharoni
>  wrote:
> >
> > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת ‪Gerard Meijssen‬‏ <‪
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but
> really
> > > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are
> > > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what
> proves
> > > to be of interest [1] ?
> > >
> >
> > Actually, there was some work done around it. Here are some examples:
> >
> > 1. The Discovery (Search) team in the Foundation researched searches in
> > Wikimedia sites' search box that yielded zero results. This was done in
> > 2016 or so, led by Dan Garry as the product manager, and this lead to
> some
> > improvements in the functionality of Wikimedia sites' internal search
> > engine, although I don't remember what they were exactly.
> >
> > 2. Google's Project Tiger provided lists of articles for which people
> often
> > search in the Google search engine in India, and about which there are no
> > articles in Wikipedias in languages of India. See
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Supporting_Indian_Language_Wikipedias_Program
> >
> > 3. Last year I made a list of articles that people search for in their
> > language using the interlanguage links search box and cannot find. You
> can
> > see a sample here:
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amire80/WEIRD/2018-04-09%E2%80%932018-04-15
> > . I plan to make this list nicer-looking and auto-updating some time
> soon.
> >
> > 4. The GapFinder project is another tool that helps people find articles
> > that are missing in some wikis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GapFinder
> >
> > 5. This is just an idea, but it's written down, which is a bit better
> than
> > nothing: Show the most popular articles by country in the PageViews tool,
> > rather than just by language. It's documented at
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T207171 . The rationale for this is
> that
> > the most popular English Wikipedia articles in the U.S., Nigeria, India,
> > the Philippines, and South Africa are significantly different. The
> English
> > Wikipedia is the most popular one in all these countries, but whereas it
> is
> > sensible that it's popular in the U.S., it's a bit depressing that it's
> > also the most popular in the other four countries, even though languages
> > other than English are spoken there. The reason for this situation is, of
> > course, that there is little content in the Wikipedias in the languages
> of
> > these countries, and knowing what the most popular articles are can help
> > people who write in these languages choose how to write that will be
> > useful, and will hopefully raise the popularity of Wikipedias in these
> > languages. The same is true for the most popular Russian Wikipedia
> articles
> > in Kyrgyzstan and Moldova, the most popular French Wikipedia articles in
> > Benin and Mali, etc. This is only an idea, but maybe it will be
> implemented
> > some day.
> >
> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread David Goodman
The idea of an encyclopedia is to provide the information people need or
want  that's appropriate to the format. It would be useful to see what they
want that is appropriate but we do not have -- and also useful to see what
they look for that isn't appropriate for us. Within what's appropriate, I
see no reason why selection of topics should not be driven by reader
interests as much as by editor interests. Our purpose is not to practice
our writing skills for our own benefit.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Vi to  wrote:

> The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares 
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really
> > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are
> > actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what proves
> > to be of interest [1] ?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://ultimategerardm.blogspot.com/2019/03/a-marketing-approach-to-what-it-is-that.html
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 22:13, Leila Zia  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > As I mentioned in an earlier thread [1], we will be running reader
> > > surveys across a number of Wikipedia languages to learn about the
> > > reader needs and motivations in these languages as well as some of
> > > their demographic information (and perhaps the correlations between
> > > demographics and user motivations and characteristics).
> > >
> > > If your language community is interested to have statistics on the
> > > distribution of reader gender, age, education, native language, and
> > > geographic region (rural/urban) in your language (and depending on how
> > > much data we collect in your language, perhaps more insights), this is
> > > your chance to indicate interest at:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Behaviour/Demographics_and_Wikipedia_use_cases#Interested_languages
> > >
> > > I initially communicated 2019-02-15 as the deadline to sign up. Since
> > > then, we have run a pilot test on enwiki and we are investigating some
> > > of the results to see if any changes in the survey questions are
> > > needed. You have now time until 2019-03-15 to indicate interest.
> > >
> > > As always: this call is primarily a service to your language
> > > community. If you like it, take action on it. If you don't, no action
> > > is needed. :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Leila
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-06 Thread David Goodman
ality
> of
> > >>>> Brazilian academy).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The
> DMCA
> > >>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted
> file
> > >>>> or
> > >>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously
> > opt
> > >>>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal.
> But
> > >>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour
> > >>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is
> worth
> > >>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the
> > >>>> domain
> > >>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the
> previous
> > >>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in
> > key
> > >>>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to
> the
> > >>>> very
> > >>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order
> > to
> > >>>> request that the sites be republished.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety
> > and
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support
> > policies
> > >>>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the
> > >>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not
> > >>>> receive
> > >>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal
> implications
> > of
> > >>>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with
> > >>>> groups
> > >>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded
> > that
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing
> > persecution.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to
> > >>>> deal
> > >>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could
> not
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just
> > couldn’t
> > >>>> do
> > >>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be
> > >>>> something
> > >>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who
> > >>>> denounces
> > >>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is
> even
> > a
> > >>>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of ​​roses and I
> have
> > >>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying
> done
> > by
> > >>>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive
> > behavior
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all
> my
> > >>>> time
> > >>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from
> something I
> > >>>> did
> > >>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move
> the
> > >>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal
> threat
> > >>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that
> he
> > >>>> leads
> > >>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach
> > >>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally
> > threaten
> > >>>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our
> > movement
> > >>>> to
> > >>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre
> > >>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way
> > by
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> Wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook test features Wikipedia

2017-10-08 Thread David Goodman
I am somewhat concern that we will need to take even greater effort in
double-check those first three sentences than we normally do in ledes. .

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> wonderful concept, and yes we need to do more about Newspapers on
> Wikipedia.   Fortunately for Australia there has been a number of state
> libraries working on creating articles about all newspapers, so we had
> links in referencing to the source details in each state so Australian
> newspapers are at least ahead of the curve on the information.  It may be
> something that can be suggested libraries, beside these two examples we
> have Northern Territory, Queensland and Victorian libraries also working on
> the project thanks to support from the Australian National Library which is
> another one of those projects to grow from seeds scattered by Liam Wyatt
> some years ago.
>
>
>-
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_
> of_Western_Australia/The_Newspaper_Project
>-
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_
> of_New_South_Wales/The_Newspaper_Project
>-
>
>
> On 6 October 2017 at 07:15, Toby Negrin <tneg...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andy -- at about 18 seconds into the video, you can see content that's
> > identified, albeit in light gray font, as being from Wikipedia with links
> > to the article and the license.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 5 October 2017 at 21:20, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > 2017-10-05 23:14 GMT+03:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
> > >
> > > >> Sounds good - does anyone know of any screen-shots. or video,
> showing
> > > >> this in action?
> > > >
> > > > Check out the video in the original announcement that Toby linked to.
> > >
> > > I saw that video, but it neither mentions nor shows content from
> > Wikipedia.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread David Goodman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-13 Thread David Goodman
Charles,

Very few paid editors who currently advertise use the trademarks; they do
say that they will write or help write articles in Wikipedia , and that is
a true statement.  They will sometimes say they are authorized to do so, or
that their work is legitimate, which is false, but that does not seem to be
a violation of the trademark.

What action are you prepared to take against those who violate the paid
editing provision of the TOU, without violating the trademark?   Have there
been any such cases where you have even written a cease and desist letter
except for Morning227?  (If you need to reply privately, I'm a member of
enWP arbcom and have signed the relevant nondisclosure statements).

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jacob,
>
> Can we get an ETA on the longer statement?
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jacob Rogers <jrog...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all,
> we
> > do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where
> > you're encountering a severe problem with paid editing and community
> > efforts are not able to solve it, please get in touch with us via
> > le...@wikimedia.org and we can discuss how we can provide support
> > depending
> > on the details of the case. With apologies, I'm not able to discuss
> details
> > of any specific cases here because we don't want to reveal information
> > about ongoing or future investigations or legal actions.
> >
> > In general, I do want to say a few words about the role of legal tools in
> > these kinds of cases. Legal actions are a blunt instrument: courts use
> the
> > same solutions to every problem, and have not kept up with the speed of
> > modern technology. So we are interested in helping to improve community
> > systems and technological tools (like tools to help admins investigate
> and
> > block problematic users) that can make it so that legal action isn't
> > necessary in many cases.
> >
> > I also want to note that we've been working on a longer statement
> outlining
> > some of our thoughts about our role in dealing with paid editing concerns
> > and some ways the communities can effectively approach these issues as
> > well. We plan to post this on-wiki soon.
> >
> > Lastly, let me say thank you to all the community members who help out
> with
> > these issues. We really appreciate everyone who reports cases to us and
> > helps us take action where we are able, such as reporting some job
> postings
> > on third-party sites.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jacob Rogers
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Marketing jobs at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-08-28 Thread David Goodman
Marketing can  get someone to buy a product once; the problem is to get
them to buy another, and that depends on the quality of the product. It is
much easier to get new first time editors than to give them the
encouragement and satisfaction to keep them going.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> At the research mailing list two relevant activities were mentioned that do
> not adequately take place.
>
> * *Gamified interfaces for microcontributions à la Wikidata game*
> ** **Ubiquitous outreach, supported by dedicated technology*
>
> The notion exists that it is possible to do all kind of technological
> things to make things stand out more but the big problem is imho not
> technological. It is not content, it is the awareness that marketing is
> more than selling things.
>
> A respected Wikimedian made the bold statement that "Wikipedia could
> absolutely have 100x the number of editors it has now".I would argue that
> this is correct
>
> My question is not could marketing methods make a difference but what
> objectives do we have that will benefit from a marketing approach. What
> does it take to be more pro-active towards our objectives?
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

2016-06-26 Thread David Goodman
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> >
> > Wow! This is amazing! Thank you so much! The article is alive and so
> > much better!
> >
> > Hm, but while I agree that the article has not been of high quality
> > from the start, I am really not sure if the best approach was for it
> > to be deleted. What would be a better process in such cases? Why
> > articles are not asked to be deleted with more time?
> >
> > My article was speedy deleted based on:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#A7
> >
> > What I do not understand is why there is a speedy deletion if article
> > does not explain why the subject of the article is not significant,
> > instead of deletion if article's subject is not significant? Because
> > the first thing could be improved, it is a content issue?
> >
> > Anyway, what is the process to improve this process? Or should we just
> > leave it be and everything is great?
> >
> >
> > Mitar
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Tech survey on watchlist use

2016-05-26 Thread David Goodman
talk-page stalker is not necessarily an unfriendly term. It's meant as an
explanation for why the person saw the question, and posted there. But
perhaps we could find a better term for this, as stalker does have
unfortunate connotations.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Trillium Corsage <trillium2...@yandex.com>
wrote:

> My English Wikipedia talkpage is watchlisted by a surprising number of
> users that I have no cooperative or friendly editing relationship with.
> Some of them refer to themselves as "talkpage stalkers." Might it be
> possible for a user to prohibit such persons from watchlisting him or her?
> If it's not possible to selectively prohibit, how about an on/off switch,
> i.e. *no-one* may watchlist an editor's individual talkpage.
>
> Trillium Corsage
>
> 21.05.2016, 02:20, "Johan Jönsson" :
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 1:06 AM, Danny Horn <dh...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >>  Hi everyone,
> >>
> >>  WMF's Community Tech team is starting to work on a Cross-wiki
> watchlist,
> >>  one of the top 10 wishes in the Community Wishlist Survey that we
> conducted
> >>  at the end of last year. [1]
> >>
> >>  We're running a survey on how people use their watchlists, to help
> inform
> >>  our work.
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > A couple of months ago, the Community Tech team ran a survey to gather
> > information on how Wikimedians use their watchlists. You can see the
> > results here:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Survey_results
> >
> > If you're interested, there are also some very early and rough
> > wireframes available on the project page:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Cross-wiki_watchlist#Current_work.2C_for_discussion
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-27 Thread David Goodman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-25 Thread David Goodman
Involving the foundation as a broker would corrupt  the Foundation
altogether.  It would in essence turn it into an advertising agency. We're
supposed to be different from Google. Google earns money by letting itself
be used as a medium for advertising. It at least  hopes to achieve this by
while not being   evil, and succeeds reasonably well at the compromise.

Wikipedia fortunately does not need to earn money, as ordinary people
freely give  us more than enough for our needs,  and can therefore hope to
achieve the positive good of providing objective information on
encyclopedic topics that people want to read about, not information that
other organizations want people to read.  We have no need to compromise.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:15 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru>
> wrote:
>
> - Possibly POV will be compromised in paid articles.
> > - Unhealthy situation within the editing community. In the debates with
> > WMF staff when we disagreed, I always felt awkward, because they were
> paid
> > arguing with me, and would do it until they convince me or I give up,
> and I
> > was doing this in my free time, and got tired very quickly. I also had
> very
> > unpleasant experiences interacting with some chapter people whose only
> goal
> > was to keep their position. They did not care about the quality,
> > efficiency, anything, only about their personal good. And if somebody
> > defends their personal good, you know, thy usually win, and the quality
> > loses. Now, imagine there is a content dispute between a user who is paid
> > (and is afraid to lose the salary) and a user who is unpaid and have to
> do
> > the same for free - I am sure a paid user will be way more persistent.
> >
> >
> > ​Yaroslav, we already have a lot of paid editors on the English
> Wikipedia.
> Some are Wikimedians in residence, and this has always been regarded as
> okay, though I believe they're expected not to edit articles about the
> institution that employs them.
>
> But we also have a lot of paid PR editing and obvious COI problems because
> of that, as well as the problems you highlight (e.g. the paid editor being
> more persistent).
>
> Introducing the Foundation as a broker between organizations that want
> articles and editors who want to write them would not solve all the
> problems you highlight, but it would remove the COI aspect. So my thinking
> was that it would be better than the current situation.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-25 Thread David Goodman
Agreeing with Rich:

We actually have funds available for one international meting a year, plus
one in each region, and to give scholarships  covering the full cost to
every committed WPedian who asks for them. ( On the whole I think most
people would,  from any region, thou some might not ask for anything beyond
international  transportation) . It would be different if we were barely
making ends meet.

But tha last few years has shown that we have been obtaining each year
 more money than we can usefully spend, and even if we were to devote  half
the surplus into an endowment, there is still many millions remaining. The
one thing we should not do with it is expand the WMF paid staff.
(The only other practical use for the money is to expand access to paid
resources)

On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Richard Farmbrough <
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk> wrote:

> It's all very well to assume that certain demographics are wealthy. But it
> is simply a stereotype. Wikipedians I know personally from the "privileged"
> demographics vary from those who are well off through to those who are
> saddled with substantial debt and zero income.
>
> But really the question is, given the funds available, and the benefits
> that accrue, why there should be such a limited WMF spend on Wikimania
> (and/or other gatherings).   It is one of the few discretionary spends that
> we know from stories like Doc James' has a huge impact.
>
> On 10/02/2016 16:27, Béria Lima wrote:
>
>> And I for one agree with the new policy. The effort made by a European
>> (or American, or Canadian) to travel to a Wikimania, is something like one
>> month of salary. For a woman from the same place will probably be 2 months
>> (pay gap at its finest!) and for a Latino, African, or Asiatic the effort
>> starts at 6 months and go on to even a decade*[4]* (A full decade of your
>> salary to go to Wikimania).
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread David Goodman
the movement is always going to be broader and more diverse both in
backgrounds and interests than any possible board; the foundationis ls
going to have more diverse concerns than the roles of almost any of us in
the movement.

I do not se the fundamental goal of the movement is to create an
encyclopedia . Nor is it even to create  free intellectual resources.
Rather, the movement is to create a model of free human interaction and
work,  and the initial  way of exemplifying this is in the various versions
of the encyclopedia . (It's also to create the free Wikimedia software, but
the cooperative creation of free software existed long before our
movement-- the encyclopedia was innovative, at least in execution and
possibly even in concept--Wikimedia was not.

If we really believe in a model of free cooperative expression of the
manifestations of human intellectual work and creativity, then this is
fundamentally and radically in conflict with such formal organization as
boards of directors or hierarchical organization patterns and
employer-employee relationships. To the extent we need it, it is only to
serve some limited purposes necessary in the economic and legal  world as
it is. Unfortunately, I think human history shows that structures intended
to have such limited supporting purposes do not easily remain in this
limited role--those who prefer to participate in them rather than
participate in the volunteer non-organized side of the movement inevitably
will find themselves trying  to dominate, even if their personal ideologies
are opposed to such domination.

There is no defense against this except the real strength of a volunteer
movement--the ability to walk away and take our volunteer resources with
them; the true merit of CC and similar is the ability to actually make this
possible within the legal structure.  That does not mean thatI advocate
actually doing it, but we must maintain and remember the potential.




On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:49 PM, George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com>
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>
> In an organization where the purpose and Bylaws explicitly (Article II)
> call for it to be supporting the movement, the Board should be balancing
> that aspect anyways.
>
> Yes, the Board cares for the Foundation, but the Foundation cares for the
> Movement, and if it stops doing that it's off chartered purpose and the
> Board needs to intervene.
>
>
> George William Herbert
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 24, 2016, at 5:47 PM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:23 PM, Denny Vrandecic <
> dvrande...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To make a few things about the Board of Trustees clear - things that
> will
> >> be true now matter how much you reorganize it:
> >>
> >> - the Board members have duties of care and loyalty to the Foundation -
> not
> >> to the movement.
> >>
> >> ​Hi Denny,
> >
> > Blue Avocado, the non-profit magazine, offers a somewhat different view.
> > They have published a board-member "contract" to give non-profit
> directors
> > an idea of what's expected of them. It includes:
> >
> > ​
> >
> > ​"... ​
> > I will interpret our constituencies' needs and values to the
> organization,
> > speak out for their interests, and on their behalf, hold the organization
> > accountable.
> > ​" [1]
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > [1] http://www.blueavocado.org/content/board-member-contract
> > ​
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread David Goodman
 > >
> > > > > You are again ignoring the point intentionally.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, WMF shouldn't morally support Elsevier by having any relation
> > with
> > > > > them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Milos
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ethics of launching Wikidata, vs. ethics of WMF plans for Wikidata

2016-02-13 Thread David Goodman
People keep mentioning VIAF in the context. VIAF is a federated service,
using the content of its various repositories--and is therefore no more
accurate than they are. For example, a major component in VIAF is the
Library of Congress Authority File. That file has always used author or
publisher statements as the evidence for birth dates without further
verification; in recent years, it has been also using information from WP
articles.  (I suppose that's an improvement--we at least occasionally look
beyond what the person says about himself.)

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26 January 2016 at 11:24, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 7:33 AM Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (Note: I'm creating a new thread which references several old ones; in
> > the
> > > most recent, "Profile of Magnus Manske," the conversation has drifted
> > back
> > > to Wikidata, so that subject line is no longer applicable.)
> > >
> > > Andreas Kolbe has argued in multiple threads that Wikidata is
> > fundamentally
> > > problematic, on the basis that it does not require citations. (Please
> > > correct me if I am mistaken about this core premise.)
> >
> >
> > Every statement on Wikidata /should/ be referenced, unless the statement
> > itself points to a reference (e.g. VIAF, images). However, at the moment,
> > this is not a requirement, as Wikidata is still in a steep growth phase.
> > Over the last few years, many statements were added by bots, which can
> > process e.g. Wikipedia, but would be hard pressed to find the original
> > reference for a statement.
>
>
> To extend Magnus' point...
> This is also the case on Wikipedia. Every Wikipedia sentence /should/ be
> verified to a reliable source, and those without footnotes can be removed.
> But, it is not a /requirement/ that every statement be verified. In short -
> 'verifiable not verified' is the minimum standard for inclusion of a
> sentence in Wikipedia. The ratio of footnotes-to-sentences in Wikipedia
> articles is on average probably much lower than the ratio of
> references-to-statements in Wikidata. It's just that we have more easily
> available /quantitative/ statistics for Wikidata that we do for Wikipedia,
> which makes it easy for Wikidata-critics to point to the number of
> un-referenced statements in Wikidata as a simple measure of quality, even
> though many of them DO meet the "verifiable, even if not yet verified"
> minimum standard that we accept for "stubs" on Wikipedia.
>
> For example: even in a Feature Article Wikipedia biography, I've never seen
> a footnote /specifically/ for the fact that the subject is "a human". That
> reference is implied by other footnotes - citing for the birthdate, or
> occupation for example. By comparison, in Wikidata, some people seem to be
> a feeling that statements like "instance of -> human", "gender-> male" need
> to be given a specific reference before they can be considered reliable.
> This is even when there are other statements in the same Wikidata item that
> reference biography-authority control numbers (e.g. VIAF).
>
> Yes, ideally, every statement could be given a reference in Wikidata, but
> ideally so should every sentence in Wikipedia. In reality we do accept
> "stub" Wikipedia articles that have 5 sentences and 1 Reliable Source
> footnote. Furthermore, we also do also have Wikidata properties that are,
> in effect, "self verifying": like the "VIAF identifier" property - which
> links to that authority control database, or the "image" property - which
> links directly to a file on Commons. So, simply counting the number of
> statements vs. the number of references in those statements on Wikidata and
> concluding that Wikidata is therefore inherently unreliable is both
> simplistic and quite misleading.
>
> -Liam
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-12 Thread David Goodman
Rather, we should spend more, possibly several times as much. We need much
wider participation, both for Wikimania and for regional conferences, and
the only practical way to achieve that is to pay full expenses for all
regular participants who want to attend.  It should not be an elite event.
The WMF is running a considerable surplus, and we should spend 5 or 10 %
 of it on interpersonal live access to  each other.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, John Mark Vandenberg <jay...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 2:28 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
> <it...@wikimedia.org.il> wrote:
> > If we want to talk about the cost of Wikimania it will be great if the
> WMF
> > and the local team will share the costs.
> >
> > Until now Wikimania London didn't published anything:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2014/Budget
> >
> > And also Mexico:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015/Budget
> >
> > Maybe I missed something, but it's strange that such discussion takes
> place
> > without a real budget breakdown. To summarize 2 huge event to "1$ million
> > USD" does not make sense.
>
> I agree.  Without public data, how can there be an informed public
> consultation.
>
> I've asked for similar data at:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:IdeaLab/Towards_a_New_Wikimania#Analysis_on_repeat_funded_attendees
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-03 Thread David Goodman
> > is not well documented or analysed yet. We need better analysis about
> the
> > > ways that external partners are benefiting from their relationship with
> > the
> > > wikimedia movement and the wikimedia movement is benefiting from
> > > relationships with external partners.
> > >
> > > This needs to be a joint dialogue between WMF and the affiliated
> > > organizations including User Groups. I hope that people will join the
> WMF
> > > strategic planning discussions and include their thoughts about
> > developing
> > > external resources that can benefit the wikimedia movement. Also, this
> > is a
> > > topic for Wikimedia Conference in Berlin.
> > >
> > > Warm regards,
> > > Sydney Poore
> > > User:FloNight
> > > Wikipedia in Residence
> > > at Cochrane
> > > WikiWomen's User Group
> > > Wiki Project Med Foundation User Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

2016-01-18 Thread David Goodman
 is that downloading them is often
> slow, and there are rate limits[1]. If Google or other some other large
> entity wanted to donate some hosting space and bandwidth by re-hosting
> our dumps, I think that would be a win-win situation all around - they
> get their dumps and can directly rsync from us, as well as taking
> pressure off of our infrastructure and letting other people access our
> content more easily.
>
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114019#1892529
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-18 Thread David Goodman
then immediately dumped to the bottom of
> the drawer when it comes to Wikidata. First we'll make it easy for them to
> edit. Then we'll include a whole pile of data that they can't edit -or at
> least can't edit on the website they logged into.  They're pretty opposite
> ideas, but of course that's considered luddite thinking.
>
> Risker/Anne
>
>
> On 18 January 2016 at 08:34, Andrew Lih <andrew@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There’s an excellent profile of Magnus Manske in the Wikimedia blog
> today.
> > It’s hard to think of people more important to the movement than Magnus
> has
> > been since 2001.
> >
> > Selected quotes: "...we have gone from slowdown to standstill; the
> > interface has changed little in the last ten years or so, and all the
> > recent changes have been fought teeth-and-claw by the communities,
> > especially the larger language editions. From the Media Viewer, the
> Visual
> > Editor, to Wikidata transclusion, all have been resisted by vocal groups
> of
> > editors, not because they are a problem, but because they represent
> > change... all websites, including Wikipedia must obey the Red Queen
> > hypothesis: you have to run just to stand still. This does not only
> affect
> > Wikipedia itself, but the entire Wikimedia ecosystem... if we wall our
> > garden against change, against new users, new technologies our work of 15
> > years is in danger of fading away... we are in an ideal position to try
> new
> > things. We have nothing to lose, except a little time.”
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Wikipedia rocked by 'rogue editors' blackmail scam targeting small businesses and celebrities"

2015-09-03 Thread David Goodman
 >
> > I heard a murmur that Orangemoody would actually request deletion of its
> own articles if the subject failed to agree to the monthly fee, but Risker
> said this vaguely as if there were only a couple or few examples of this.
> >
> > As well, though the IP addresses have not been disclosed, one of the
> accused Orangemoody accounts belongs to a Bangladeshi editor of three or
> more years. Raising the question of whether geolocation to Bangladesh and
> other nearby poor countries was a clue to the investigators to connect the
> Orangemoody accounts. Which on confirmation would raise the further
> question of whether the entire case was almost exclusively comparatively
> well-off westerners destroying the business and livelihood of impoverished
> Bangladeshis and other easterners just trying to put food on the table for
> their kids.
> >
> >  Trillium Corsage
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> > 02.09.2015, 21:53, "Matt Campbell" :
> >>  Glad to hear it.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] Of Education-coop cabal: what's it, who's it, how one joins it, why is it like that?

2015-06-22 Thread David Goodman
 Collaborative
  [2] was it already 2 years ago? time sure runs fast
  [3] which means that it's not like I can e.g. go organise a WEP thing
  offline — the most I can do in real actions is helping a WEP person.
 That's
  if actions are about WEP and not about something general which any
  wikimedian can do.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives

2014-08-28 Thread David Goodman
Trying to radically change the NFCC guidelines, however desirable, is not
something which is likely to succeed.
Trying to somewhat simply image procedures might; I hope it could, because
I no longer even attempt to work with images. Though this is in large part
my own conceptually preference for text, I'm not the only one with that
problem.


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Richard Farmbrough 
rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote:

 I have coincidentally raised the question of fair-use images for living
 people at the Gender Gap Taskforce talk page. Perhaps this is something we
 shoudl take to the policy talk page?


 On 26 August 2014 14:24, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote:

  David Goodman has this exactly right — new volunteers (as opposed to
 casual
  contributors) aren't made with templates of cookies or beer, they are
  generally made one at a time, with personal attention and personal
  assistance. Teahouse is one of the best ideas of the last five years,
 being
  a place where newcomers can go to ask specific questions. Mentoring
  programs is another very correct step.
 
  I'm currently working with a buddy who is getting into it. Wiki markup
 gunk
  isn't a big problem for him; he's about 40 years old and has been around
  html enough that it doesn't put him off. Footnoting he initially found
  difficult, but I taught him how to do it long form rather than using
 layout
  clogging templates, so that might have added an hour or two to the
 learning
  curve. Still: not that difficult and he already has the knack of it — and
  once you learn that, it's all very simple.
 
  I'm going to write him a couple thousand word email on linking today.
  That's all pretty self-evident.
 
  We had lunch yesterday and I explained to him the way that some topics
  which interest him (alternative medicine) are going to be battleground
  areas in which he really must be a master of NPOV; while other interests,
  relating to popular culture and sports, are less intense, with rawer and
  worse articles standing that need Tender Loving Care.
 
  He's enthusiastic about WP, and there is absolutely no substitute for
 that.
  That is the thing that is missing in college students doing class
 projects.
  My experience thus far with them is that they dive in at the 11th hour,
 do
  minimally decent work necessary to complete the assignment, ask zero
  questions, and then vanish.
 
  Serious, longterm editors are made one at a time, I think. It starts with
  personal attention. It requires someone to explain editing techniques and
  (just as importantly) WP culture and policies and tour-guiding them
 through
  all the policy pages and various backstage aspects of WP.
 
  It also involves something we have totally ignored so far: making sure
 they
  have something to do: assigning projects.You like this band? Dig up more
  sources, flesh it out. Oh, your grandpa was a pro athlete and already
 has a
  page? Dig up some news stories on his career... Write about his
  teammates... Hey, this article on the NFL championship game he played in
 is
  pretty terrible, why not see if you can make it better?
 
  Another unspoken problem is photo rights, which is (1) confusing to start
  with; (2) subject to one of the worst decisions ever, the choice to use
  free files rather than to make use of American fair use legal doctrine;
 (3)
  populated by anal retentive volunteers who delete first and ask questions
  never, engage only with templates, work too fast, and who in many cases I
  suspect take malicious joy in their work. I know that that was the aspect
  of WP that alienated me the worst as a newcomer. It still does.
 
  So, WMF sorts: remember that this is a slow process and that there are no
  magical software solutions. Creating new Very Active Editors takes
  motivated candidates and volunteers willing to take newcomers under their
  wings.
 
  Tim Davenport
  Corvallis, OR
  Carrite on WP /// Randy from Boise on WPO
 
 
  DAVID GOOMAN WROTE:
  Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method
  of personally communicating with new editors who seem promising
  and encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in
  this is personally. It cannot be effectively done with  wikilove
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  Template welcomes are essentially in the same class as mail or
  web personalizedadvertisements.  What works is to show that you
 actually
  read and appreciated what they are doing, to the extent you wanted to
  write something specific.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives

2014-08-26 Thread David Goodman
 that they put
  up
  with.  Template welcomes and messages that have all the warmth of a form
  letter enclosed in a utility bill won't make a lasting improvement in
 the
  long run.  The intention behind things like the thank button are
 great,
  but they should be seen as at most an enabler, rather than as the actual
  solution to our problems.
 
  Cheers,
  Craig
 
 
 
 
 
  On 26 August 2014 10:09, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Perhaps the best way of doing this is the admittedly laborious method
 of
  personally communicating with new editors who seem promising and
  encouraging them and offering to help them continue. The key word in
 this
  is personally. It cannot be effectively done with  wikilove messages
 ,
  and certainly not with anything that looks like a template. Template
  welcomes are essentially in the same class as mail or web
  personalizedadvertisements.  What works is to show that you actually
  read
  and appreciated what they are doing, to the extent you wanted to write
  something specific.
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Wikimedia ch is doing a big investment in supporting communities.
 
  There are three community liaisons (a third hired recently) to support
 
  the
 
  three national languages which are also within the biggest linguistic
  communities.
 
  Anyway there is not a unique solution to be adapted easily in user
  retention and recruiting because the world is varioius as it is the
  life.
 
  Regards
  Il 24/ago/2014 03:56 James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com ha scritto:
 
   Is there a list somewhere of all currently active Foundation
  initiatives for attracting and retaining active editors?  I am only
  aware of the one project, Task Recommendations, to try to encourage
  editors who have made a few edits to make more, described starting at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JbZ1uWoKEgt=60m20s
 
  I am not worried about pageviews at all, given that the trend is as
  constant as it has ever been when mobile users are added in to the
  total. Sadly, the greater number of mobile users appears to be
 harming
  active editor numbers beyond their already dismal trend, so it would
  be nice to have an idea of exactly how much effort the Foundation is
  applying to its only strategic goal which it is not achieved, and has
  not ever achieved. I am amazed that so much more effort continues to
  be applied to the other goals, all of which have always been met
  through to the present. What does this state of affairs say about the
  Foundation leadership's ability to prioritize?
 
  Is there any evidence at all that anyone in the Foundation is
  interested in any kind of change which would make non-editors more
  inclined to edit, or empower editors with social factors which might
  provide more time, economic power, or other means to enable them to
  edit more?
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First _draft_ goals for WMF engineering/product

2014-06-27 Thread David Goodman
I'm delighted to see a document that is clear enough to encourage useful
comments from non-techies (on some parts of it)

I have 5, at increasing  levels of specificity

1) At least in the US, the need for increasing contributions by
underrepresented groups is not limited to women. Various ethnic groups in
the US are even more under=represented. But I'm not sure how much of this
is solvable by technology, either for them or for women.

2) The user retention goals are not the province of engineering alone, or
even for the most part. Attracting initial contributors will indeed be
greatly helped by Visual editor, but the enWP people will need considerable
convincing about both features and interaction with the current editor and
current procedures before doing what most needs to be done, making it the
default for non-loggged in users. The other aspects are primarily that of
improving the social environment  and on-wiki processes at the individual
WPs  Commons, and more effective work by  the various chapters and
associated projects. Flow will be of some help here, but it isn't the
critical factor.  I d I think the decline not only may be irreversible but
ought to be expected to be irreversible: WP is no longer the most exciting
thing in the world to the extent that it can have the same attractive power
as in the first few years.

3)I have never understood the need for Flow- I find the existing talk page
systems quite functional. But since many others don't find the current
system satisfactory.  the one place Flow should not be trialed on the enWP
is the Teahouse, which has its own distinctive system.  It should rather be
trialed on places where there is long and particularly intricate
discussions and were beginners are not likely to be confused.

4) The most intractable conflicts at enWP arise from the need to apply
brief descriptive phrases or words to situations that ae inherently
ambiguous. A system for category searching by intersection  would eliminate
about half the problems.

5) Perhaps this should be put off till the following year, but a system for
constructing articles from infoboxes populated by wikidata would
essentially give a fill in the blanks interface for constructing many types
of articles. This would help beginners, and people writing in other than
their native languages.,









On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Erik Moeller, 27/06/2014 03:55:

  As an update on the goals process for WMF engineering, we've begun
 fleshing out out the top priorities for the first quarter.


 This has already been an interesting and useful exercise, I feel. Those
 are indeed goals which need help from everyone who can. Which brings me to:

  [...]

 - The content API that Gabriel is working on (
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Content_API ) is
 called out as a top priority. This is because the Parsoid output (for
 which the content API will be a high performance front-end) is now
 getting to the point where it's starting to become plausible to
 increasingly use it not just for VisualEditor, but also for views as
 well.


 This is something I encourage everyone on this list to play with. I spent
 a couple days on Parsoid's output for it.wiki and it's been fun, finding
 many things to report: while reasonable pages are rarely very broken, on a
 random page there is some 50 % chance of finding some visual glitch.

 My favourite toy to this purpose is Kiwix:
 * download a recent file for your favourite wiki at
 http://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/ ,
 * download Kiwix to open it http://download.kiwix.org/nightly/bin/latest/
 ,
 * start pressing random page and report surprises e.g. to
 https://sourceforge.net/p/kiwix/bugs/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-23 Thread David Goodman
 between general public unrestricted
 donations vs 'the donor of the restricted money telling WMF what to do
 with it', however focusing on what was 'spent' is not appropriate.
 There are direct costs which may be larger than the granted amount;
 there are indirect costs, and there are opportunity costs.  From what
 I have seen, I think it is fair to conclude that general public
 unrestricted donations will suffer from this broadly speaking.

 There may be quite a bit of direct costs that arnt covered by the
 Stanton grant per se, including selection process, onboarding,
 reviewing their work, and now handling the fallout of a failed project
 (e.g. Erik's time and I presume Jay is also working overtime).  The
 Stanton grant quite probably included an amount for normal overheads
 related to the position (selection, onboarding, monitoring), but those
 costs could have blown out and/or the WMF decided to absorb the costs
 given the size of the restricted grant for program activity.

 However it is the indirect costs which will hurt.

 As the WMF considers spending donor money on clamping down on paid
 editing to be money well spent, a whole lot more of that donor money
 needs to be spent achieving that goal when month after month there are
 revelations of the WMF staff (which Timothy Sandole was, roughly
 speaking) engaging in this type of editing, or the initial investment
 of donor dollars has been wasted if the concept of WMF policing paid
 editing needs to be abandoned as it has lost the high ground.

 There is reputational damage to the WiR concept, WMF, and Wikimedia
 generally, which will be felt across the movement.  While the WMF may
 not be going to run this type of program again, affiliates do run
 these types of programs.  Affiliate staff and volunteer time will be
 spent rebuilding the WiR brand.  IMO it is also a shame that this will
 mean more resistance to content rather than community-focused WiR.  I
 know many people feel very strongly that a WiR should act as an
 enabler for the community rather than fill the gaps themselves, but in
 practise a lot of WiR end up writing content to some degree, and I
 think there are scenarios when a WiR should be more of a contributor
 rather than collaborator, especially in topical areas that are
 under-represented in major languages and in wikis in their early
 stages needing a major content boost rather than a minor, and maybe
 shortlived, boost to the number of contributors that a WiR might be
 able to achieve.  But the community, GAC and FDC will be more shy of
 content-heavy WiR type programs since Belfer.

 Then there is the potential for this to cause Stanton to stop giving
 grants to WMF, which means donor money needs to fill the void or
 programs need to be cut (and staff may need to be laid off.)

 I cant even guess the opportunity costs, except that these types of
 'special interest' projects can be headaches for pushing through large
 structural changes like Sue's Narrowing the focus which was launched
 in October 2012.

  or if you had /actually/ been
  appointed to speak for the number one stakeholder in our projects
  (which you haven't);

 Eh? No appointments necessary.

  it wouldn't justify your continuing harangue when
  you have been clearly told that no further substantive information would
  come until Sue returns next week.

 Who said that there would be no further substantive information until
 Sue returns?

  You've made your point and raised the issue, and now the information for
  informed judgment is being published.  How about you let the /rest/ of
  the community examine it and reach its own conclusions? Because, right
  now, you seem more interested in stoking the fires of your vendetta by
  harping on what you /want/ that conclusion to be than any actual
  interest in figuring out what happened and how to prevent it from
  happening again if it was a problem.

 Which vendetta are you referring to?

 Russavia was asking for more information, presumably in order to
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area

2014-03-22 Thread David Goodman
It was intended not just to challenge the US government, but to be an
example for elsewhere,and it has been that.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Seb35 seb35wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

  Le lundi 10 mars 2014 21:03:20 (CET), Yuri y...@rawbw.com a écrit :
 
   On 03/10/2014 11:30, Seb35 wrote:
 
  Another point of view is that the knowledge doesn't (shouldn't) depend
  in any way of the local government -- possibly it can be viewed
 differently
  from a culture to another but that's a cultural question not related to
  censorship.
 
 
 snip


 
  I understand your intention with this system, but I find it's not a good
  response to the problem; I find a better response is to encourage and
 help
  the free speech associations, like what was done during SOPA/PIPA.


 I absolutely agree with your sentiment, as I'm sure most do, but I'm
 willing to challenge the English Wikipedia SOPA/PIPA blackout as a good
 example. The community took its content hostage (IMO :) ) in order to prove
 a point to the US Congress, despite the English Wikipedia serving the
 world. We've had two years to learn since SOPA/PIPA with other communities.
 I spoke about it at Wikimania 2012  in a panel discussion and I still don't
 think that reaction was appropriate.

 Knowledge is, as you said, not dependent on government. I don't think the
 WMF (spoken as a volunteer) or Wikimedians should support community
 responses to censorship with censorship ourselves. We've had two years to
 learn since SOPA/PIPA with other communities. Sorry, Yuri, I understand
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing v. paid advocacy (editing)

2014-01-11 Thread David Goodman
I've looked at a great deal of detectable  paid editing on the english WP.
 Only about 10% of it is of acceptable   quality, with respect to both
notability
of subject and quality of contents.  On similar topics, the quality of
volunteer editing is considerably better--at least 30% is acceptable.
 (about half the enWP submissions have always been rejected at one stage or
another, even with our relatively very undemanding standards).

Like Andrew,  I consider the work on non-profits, especially universities,
to be even worse than the work on commercial businesses, both for paid and
unpaid edits--this is partly enthusiastic alumni, but also the very low
quality of most organizational PR departments)

Unpaid advocacy is a much more difficult problem, because its much harder
to sort out from honest attempts at NPOV. I see no solution to that one
without our general framework.





On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:15 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 Gerard Meijssen wrote:
 I want to open up the discussion even wider. The way things are stated is
 that paid editing is not acceptable.


 I'm not sure what you mean.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Paid_editing is still a very rough draft,
 but the first sentence is currently:

 ---
 Paid editing is fairly common on Wikimedia wikis. It takes various forms,
 with a few being widely accepted and a few being incredibly controversial.
 ---

 I would like Wikimedia to be explicit about what is and is not acceptable
 for editors. If Wikidata takes a different approach, we should document
 that as well. But the goal isn't to pr[oe]scribe, it's to describe.

 Some of the posts from this mailing list may be very helpful in expanding
 that page. I'm sure there are many other past discussions from the various
 wikis and mailing lists we can incorporate as well. Be bold. :-)  If it's
 just the page title you'd like to change, I agree that the current page
 title (Paid editing) is not great. The Conflict of interest editing
 page has some related content, but that title also didn't feel right to me.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread David Goodman
Basically, you (in the plural)  thought you could do better than the
consensus, and therefore simply without rejecting it , did not implement it
while you tried other things first.   All these trials would have been
good, ''had they been done before implementation.'' I am waiting for
someone from the foundation to come out and agree to that, a recognition
that the error was that they needed to be done first.

I am then waiting for a statement that all future changes of this sort will
be broadly announced and trialed first,

And I'm further waiting for a statement that the  actual implementation
will depend on the consensus.

Frankly, if these are not forthcoming, the community needs to consider what
it can do to retain control over the interface. While  some individuals at
the WMF may have greater individual expertise at some of the things
involved, they collectively do not have better judgment than the editing
community about what makes a good editing interface. They may have the
power to override it, but  they do not have the right to do so.   If they
think they ought to have the right, let them justify it.

Probably the first step is to insist on its consensus on this feature. I
wouldn't want to make an example of this otherwise, but unless we have  an
acknowledgement that we will have the right to decide in the future, the
time to assert our right to decide is now. The WMF presumably thinks it can
out-wait us, and needs to learn otherwise.   I'm not eager to do this:
I've heard some ideas, and I hope we do not need them.




On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote:

 On 13 May 2013 18:01, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 .You bring
  up Echo; yes, we didn't bring the Orange Bar back. But we spent a lot of
  cycles coming up with alternatives, running them past people, with many
  editors and many staffers actively engaged in the process. We had
  designers, developers, product managers participating in the discussion,

 And still you miss (if not ignore) the point; you removed something
 which was useful; consensus - supported by justifications and
 experience - was that it should be restored, and you ignored that
 consensus.

 You consulted on options including that restoration; and when it it
 was supported, you disregarded it out-of-hand.

 You (collectively) made unsupportable assertions and accusations, and
 resorted to snide comments when called on them.

  and in the end we came up with something that everyone, well,
 begrudgingly
  tolerates.

 And that's just downright false.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread David Goodman
right; wrong thread.

But yes,beta is good,as with the virtual editor.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:56 AM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote:
  Basically, you (in the plural)  thought you could do better than the
  consensus, and therefore simply without rejecting it , did not implement
 it
  while you tried other things first.   All these trials would have been
  good, ''had they been done before implementation.'' I am waiting for
  someone from the foundation to come out and agree to that, a recognition
  that the error was that they needed to be done first.

 Hi David,

 I'm a little bit lost as to what you're referring to here, is this
 about the decision to not reinstate the orange notifications bar after
 the Echo rollout? If so, I already clarified [1] that I felt that we
 didn't do a good job recognizing the likely impact of this change
 earlier and addressing it more systematically upfront. We've since
 implemented a compromise, and work is continuing to iterate on this
 and other aspects of the new notifications system.

 In general, for features rollouts (and if we want to talk more about
 this, we should really split the thread), my recommendation is to
 adopt a beta-production mode switch similar to the mobile site, which
 will give us a generalized way to test new features with users who are
 willing to do so, while not committing us to provide an opt-out
 preference or mode switch for every new feature (which, while an easy
 way to appease upset users, is also a recipe for technical debt). Had
 Echo been available in beta on en.wp for a while before being
 activated, I think the rollout could have been a lot smoother.

 All best,
 Erik

 [1]
 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notificationsdiff=prevoldid=553547662

 --
 Erik Möller
 VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Human-assisted machine translation (it was: The case for supporting open source machine translation)

2013-05-04 Thread David Goodman
For the purposes of Wikipedia, it would be very useful to have machine or
machine assisted translation specialized to specific subject domain widely
represented in articles, especially those that might rely substantially on
the standardized data in the infoboxes or subjects that use a relatively
standardized vocabulary and have an international appeal. . (obviously the
wikidata project is a first approximation to this in some ways) . If we
confined ourselves for example to articles on football, or on classical
music, a very large number of the possible ambiguities would not be
present, that would be many fixed phrases that could be translated intact,
and even the possible sentence structures would be relatively predictable.
 This should be true even for non-Eurpean based languages, as long as they
have the vocabulary to discuss the subject and representative texts.

Even where the actual subject terminology is country specific, this might
be possible on a limited basis. The vocabulary for discussing UK and US and
Japanese politicians is necessarily different, with the need for decisions
about what is and is not of the same meaning. But once this has been
determined, the actual articles should be relatively easy to convert.

The article formulations used in the different  WP  are not quite
identical--some things, like references, are handled in different manners.
A set of MT tools specialized not just for the subject but for WP could
deal with this also.


On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote:

 On 5/1/13 3:39 PM, David Cuenca wrote:

 In answer to Matthieu, I don't think perfection is something to aim for
 during the first stage. Just a MT that gives a fairly good text about the
 subject without big mistakes, would be already a big improvement. IMHO,
 goals should be set step by step and at a reasonable height. The lowest
 hanging fruit seems to be pairs of closely related languages, tolerating
 instances like the one you pointed out.

  I agree with that, especially from the perspective of improving the
 state of free/libre tools. There are many things that are beyond the
 capabilities of current state-of-the-art MT, but current free/libre tools
 aren't even up to that level: proprietary cloud tools like Google Translate
 and Bing Translate appear to be the most advanced currently available, and
 certainly the only easy-for-end-users advanced tools available. If
 free/libre tools could get up to that level, that would be a big win in
 itself.

 -Mark



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of conscience Fwd: [REA]

2013-04-01 Thread David Goodman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread David Goodman
I get very exasperated when the WMF says it does not have the money
for something . Since it is spends only 1/2  of its annual receipts,
it has the money;   The actual meaning of the statement is that the
WMF does not think the project of high enough priority to do, and
would prefer to add the money to its reserves rather than spend it.
(I agree that the Foundation ought to build up a reserve, but devoting
so much of its financial resources to the purpose is not a reasonable
decision).

That it does not have the human resources is another matter, and a
real concern. It is of course related: unless it uses its money to
hire technically qualified people who understand the needs of WP, it
never wiil have suitable staff for the requirements of the project.
But even with this limitation, projects for work that is not
intrinsically unique to Wikipedia can be outsourced.

That individual people and chapters are not only willing but eager to
fill its deficiencies is what keeps the overall project going.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF (cleaner version), apology

2012-10-25 Thread David Goodman
I owe a number of good people an apology. I have worked for several
self-protecting bureaucracies myself, and it
is possible, though not easy, , for individuals to do good work there.
 I never intended to imply that everyone there is incompetent, though
it is certainly my opinion that some of the people assigned to some of
the programs I have been involved in have been.  I admit that my anger
is an inappropriate reflection of my frustration at my inability to
work with those in one particular program.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 8:54 PM, David Goodman dgge...@gmail.com wrote:
 One obvious possibility for support is the chapters and the thematic
 organizations; even if the WMF continues these fellowships as it
 should, the other bodies in the movement should supplement them--it is
 good to have more than one source of funds and more than one body
 deciding on requests.  But whether their work can be actually
 implemented at those levels is another matter.

 The proposal at meta says the Wikimedia Foundation was never able to
 resource the fellowships to the point where they could achieve
 significant impact:  I don't think the resource at issue is primarily
 money, considering that in all recent years we have had not only
 surpluses, but greater than expected surpluses.  The resource which is
 lacking is sufficient qualified people at the Foundation to work with
 the fellows and help implement their projects. Rather than get such
 people--which admittedly would require a change in WMF culture--the
 WMF staff finds the easiest thing is to not even attempt to make the
 improvements; it is too troublesome to deal with the good ideas of the
 community, so the reaction is what one expects of self-protecting
 incompetent bureaucracies: diminish the flow of good ideas.



 On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:
 In my opinion, the value of fellowships in my opinion is huge, and I feel 
 that ceasing to support projects like the Teahouse would be a real shame. 
 That said, I do feel there are other ways that individual editors could get 
 the support they need to work on critical projects. As long as this remains 
 in some capacity, then I think that could work too.

 Regards,

 Steve Zhang

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 22/10/2012, at 10:25 AM, Jacob Orlowitz wikioca...@yahoo.com wrote:

 A letter in support of the Community Fellowship program from past,
 current, and prospective Fellows,

 The WMF has expanded profoundly over the past decade, and especially
 in the last few years.  Recently initiatives to streamline and focus
 the WMF have been undertaken; while these efforts are worthy in spirit
 and necessary at some level, one useful if not vital program has been
 caught in that process:  The Community Fellowship program.  We would
 like to express our strong support of this valuable and important
 program.

 The Fellowship program is first and foremost a community-based
 program.  It selects editors to work on projects -- those which are
 novel and have yet to be tried, those that have been tried but have
 not been rigorously developed or tested, and those otherwise that need
 financial, technical and institutional backing to succeed.  It
 represents a direct line of support from the WMF to
 community-organized, community-driven, and community-maintained
 projects.

 We strongly believe that the Fellowship program is a great way to jump
 start many projects cheaply, efficiently, and with low-risk.  Most
 importantly, because Fellowship projects are community-organized,
 there is high potential for their broad community support.

 We recognize that the Wikimedia Foundation’s allocation of funding
 must reflect the priorities of the Foundation’s annual and strategic
 plans, and we understand that the future of the Fellowship program is
 at risk under the justification that it does not fit within those
 plans.

 The Fellowship program of course has a cost, but it is one we believe
 is well justified by its impact.  The following reasons explain why we
 think the program is a worthwhile asset to the WMF and one that will
 ultimately help it succeed in its strategic goals:

 1) The program has a track record of producing successful projects,
 with promising upcoming efforts that would be interrupted by a loss of
 funding.  Most recently a new-editor community called the Teahouse was
 developed directly through the Fellowship program.  The Teahouse, as
 well as other projects have targeted goals which often match up with
 those identified by the Foundation as urgent, such as new editor
 engagement and editor retention.  Other projects besides the Teahouse
 have worked on improving our dispute resolution processes, our small
 language wiki development, improving the usability of help
 documentation, and facilitating cross-wiki translation efforts.
 GLAM/Wikipedian-in-Residence positions were pioneered under the
 Fellowship program as were studies in long term editor trends through

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF (cleaner version)

2012-10-21 Thread David Goodman
 WMF
 initiatives.  The fellowship program enhances programs such as Editor
 Engagement Experiments by experimenting with community features rather
 than just interface features.  Creating new spaces for new editors to
 find help and build community, identifying pain-points in existing
 community processes by surveying editors, and organizing cross-wiki
 translation efforts are excellent ways of improving the editor
 experience on Wikipedia.  Fellowship projects have also benefitted
 existing WMF initiatives by providing necessary services: for
 instance, the Teahouse has served the needs of students enrolled in
 Global Education programs that do not have access to Classroom
 Ambassadors.  The impact of the Fellowship program scales and exceeds
 the scope of the individual projects to numerous other forums and
 facets of the community.

 For these reasons, we urge the Wikimedia Foundation to reevaluate the
 worth of the Community Fellowship program and to continue it in its
 original or a similar capacity.   The Fellowship program is an
 impactful, flexible laboratory of creativity which connects the
 Foundation and the community's best and most passionate editors.
 Having it has been a huge gain, and losing it would be a significant
 loss.

 Sincerely,

 * Anya Shyrokova User:Anyashy, prospective Fellow
 * Jake Orlowitz User:Ocaasi, prospective Fellow
 * Jon Harald Søby User:Jon Harald Søby, former Community Fellow
 * Jonathan Morgan User:Jtmorgan, former Research Fellow
 * Liam Wyatt  User:Wittylama, former Cultural Partnerships Fellow
 * R.  Stuart Geiger  User:Staeiou, former Wikimedia Research Fellow
 * Peter Coombe User:The wub, Community Fellow
 * Steven Zhang User:Steven Zhang, Community Fellow
 * Tanvir Rahman User:Tanvir Rahman, Community Fellow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-14 Thread David Goodman
 investigative
 tools to be honest and competent, to have sufficient “separation of powers”
 to help as much as possible to verify that the investigators are honest and
 competent, and for there to be penalties for investigators who misuse their
 authority. Regarding the investigative use of private information, as I
 think others have said also, sometimes there may be a good reason to keep an
 active investigation from being known to the individual who is being
 investigated. Like you, I value accountability and transparency, and I would
 gladly listen to suggestions that enhance accountability and transparency
 while maintaining reasonable safeguards for active investigations. There
 needs to be a balance. I prefer transparency, but sometimes there are good
 reasons for information to remain private.

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