Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability (Mingli Yuan)

2014-06-05 Thread ENWP Pine
This is an interesting topic about RecentChanges and its many uses and variants. I'm copying Analytics, EE and Research lists because I hope that some of our colleagues from these lists will hop over to Wikimedia-l to participate in this discussion. [a] In particular I would call my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
I think having a two part RfC with the first part discussing the minimum conditions the community would like VE to meet before having a discussion about more widely enabling VE in the second portion of the RfC makes sense. This raises the possibility that as VE becomes more and more functional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since the discussion that got me thinking about this issue started on this list it made sense to me to keep it on this list. Also, other wikis' experiences with VE are relevant. My personal experience with VE has most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread ENWP Pine
GerardM, Yes, if Asaf or someone else wanted to have a low-frequency discussion about VE on Hebrew Wikipedia or some other wiki on this list I think that would be ok too. IMO this is a high-traffic general-purpose list, but Asaf is right that taking discussions to a more specific place is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-02 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Andy, The password isn't a single point of failure in the sense that Jarry and Ed both had the password and either of them might have become available to publish hours or days later, but I felt the Signpost was already late, we had enough material to publish, and waiting another week would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary

2014-05-31 Thread ENWP Pine
Congratulations Wikimedia Ukraine on these milestones. 500,000 articles, 10 years as a language wiki, and 5 years as an organization are great reasons to celebrate. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Feuerwerk_Dreiländerbrücke.jpg Pine Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 21:13:16 +0200 From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Phoebe. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Lila, My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a particular purpose, if you agree. Otherwise emails are considered personal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Nathan, what you're describing is an opt-out practice. I believe that the practice should be opt-in. Take this with a grain of salt. I participate in some grantmaking and administrative groups and I err on the side of privacy, but I'm fairly confident that the Privacy Policy applies in this

[Wikimedia-l] FW: Edit #1 and Challenge #1 - user privacy

2014-05-29 Thread ENWP Pine
I was contacted off-list about this situation by someone who wants to remain anonymous but has given me permission to forward their input to the list. I am not a copyright expert and this isn't professional legal advice. It would be interesting to hear what WMF Legal thinks about republishing

[Wikimedia-l] 2015 strategic plan

2014-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi, can someone with knowledge of WMF's thinking expand on this statement from Lila? Starting the process for our next strategic planning exercise, which will be different from last time, and focused on improving our ability to react quickly and adjust as necessary to opportunities and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note

2014-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine
Thank you for the explanations, Lila, Molly, and everyone else. Wil, I happen to be waiting on an email right now so I have a few minutes to spare. If you need clarification on anything that has been said in this discussion I am happy to meet you on IRC or have a Skype conversation. I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread ENWP Pine
I will say, in Lila's defense, that I've been impressed with what I've seen of her in public. (: However, Wil, I agree with points others have made. I'm concerned that you're going to create drama with what you're doing here, and make Lila's and WMF's jobs more complicated. I am assuming good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Bad usage of money in Brazil

2014-05-22 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Rodrigo, Thank you for these questions. There have been questions about the India program as well, so these questions about Brazil can be added to the list of issues for WMF to investigate. I am not personally familiar with either of the Brazil or India catalyst programs, but I suggest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-09 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Kevin, My comment here expresses my personal opinion only. I understand how bringing this issue to Wikimedia-l could seem appropriate because Commons is a project that has an unusual degree of cross-wiki influence and activity. While it's ok to notify Wikimedia-l that this issue is being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-09 Thread ENWP Pine
I apologize for that formatting mess. Emails that look beautiful in my Hotmail editing window get mangled when I send them to lists, and this seems to happen on a regular basis. I'll try sending this again. -- Hi Kevin,   My comment here expresses my personal opinion only.   I understand how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-09 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Keegan, I looked for equivalent Meta policies before posting the links to English Wikipedia. Canvassing is referenced on Meta and Commons although there is no page on Meta or Commons specifically describing a canvassing policy that I see. Perhaps there should be, since both wikis seem to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you

2014-05-03 Thread ENWP Pine
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 07:57:15 -0300 From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you! Message-ID: caoumejbfrsrnbcai-sj6b8eensfqdaftf-nwefmzseyqi5d...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you!

2014-05-02 Thread ENWP Pine
Thank you for joining us and for your message, Lila. Many of us have great hope for you and your work with us. Pine Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 17:39:42 -0700 From: Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you! Message-ID:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, February 2014

2014-04-25 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Tilman. I asked a question on the Annual Plan talk page that's relevant here as well, and anyone who knows the answer can respond, especially while Anasuya is busy. Can someone explain the difference between the functions of the LE and PED groups, and is there a plan to integrate them?

[Wikimedia-l] The Economist: Wikipeaks? The popular online encyclopedia must work out what is next

2014-04-21 Thread ENWP Pine
Here's a recent article from The Economist. Some of the reader comments about the article were interesting, especially considering the population that is likely to be reading and commenting about an article in The Economist.

[Wikimedia-l] Because you don't hear it enough

2014-04-15 Thread ENWP Pine
An editor wrote this on Jimbo's talk page. I hope you will appreciate this as much as I do. Because you don't hear it enough I love it here. I love Wikipedia. It's got its problems - lots of them. It has its issues. It's not perfect. But that, in its way, is the point. It's not a complete

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback on the last 2 years

2014-04-12 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Christophe, Thank you for these interesting emails. I'm cc'ing Anasuya on this discussion with the hope that what you've learned can be disseminated to other Wikimedia affiliates, especially new or aspiring chapters. Is the decision matrix that you use for your programs available in

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Adrianne Wadewitz (User:Wadewitz)

2014-04-12 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi all, As you may have heard, we recently lost Adrianne Wadewitz (User:Wadewitz) to a climbing accident. Adrianne served on the board of the Wiki Education Foundation. She had a Ph.D. in English Literature and was a Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow at the Center for Digital Learning and

[Wikimedia-l] OpenSSL vulnerability

2014-04-08 Thread ENWP Pine
I'm cross-posting this email from Wikitech-l from Greg Grossmeier. I think wide distribution is appropriate especially for contributors who may use vulnerable off-wiki communication tools with their Wikimedia password or for Wikimedia activity. -- Yesterday a widespread issue in OpenSSL

[Wikimedia-l] Strategic goals of Wikimania

2014-04-08 Thread ENWP Pine
Have there been any discussions of the link between the purposes that Wikimania serves and the Strategic Plan? I'm interested in thinking about what kinds of resources are appropriate for Wikimania especially regarding attendance for grants committee members. To make the case for significant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690

2014-04-03 Thread ENWP Pine
, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Although much of my original email to Arbcom about this situation is outdated, I can report that Arbcom is having a look at this situation. I don't think there is any action needed on their part at the moment. I am only relaying my personal views

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-02 Thread ENWP Pine
Although much of my original email to Arbcom about this situation is outdated, I can report that Arbcom is having a look at this situation. I don't think there is any action needed on their part at the moment. I am only relaying my personal views and not speaking on their behalf. While we wait

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Sue. I think there are ways WiRs could add valuable content directly such as doing mass uploads of archived documents to Commons, or add article content as happened here. However I don't think it's a good idea for WMF to involve itself so much with content generation, and the manner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-23 Thread ENWP Pine
Before we start thinking about the implications for WiR in general or WMF's relationship with Stanton, I think we should focus on establishing the facts of what happened here. After we have a good understanding of the facts we can discuss the implications. I'm still waiting for Arbcom to get

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Erik. I am going to be discussing this in private with the English Wikipedia Arbitration Committee before making further comments here. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread ENWP Pine
As important as this issue is let's remember that the big picture mission is to have high quality content that is easy and free to access. WMF management has a lot to handle in addition to this investigation and the Sandole situation shouldn't consume such a large portion of management's time

[Wikimedia-l] Annual Plan process

2014-03-22 Thread ENWP Pine
Some time ago I requested a timeline for the Annual Plan process. It's now up on Meta in case anyone else is curious. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan Pine ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-21 Thread ENWP Pine
Russiavia, thanks for your efforts to make a comprehensive report. It's certainly worth reading, although I am refraining from personally reaching major conclusions until after we have heard more details from WMF. Regarding Timothy Sandole's qualifications for the job, he could have been an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-20 Thread ENWP Pine
That's a very interesting blog post, and at first glance situation looks bad in a number of ways. I'm bothered by the lack of reporting as well as the COI issues involved. Anasuya, at I don't think the $53,690 number is the right one, but regardless of how much money was involved, can you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-20 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Jan-Bart, I'm saying that this looks bad and asking what happened. I directed my email to the people who I think are in the best positions to respond or would want to look at this for themselves. There is a point at which asking questions becomes trolling or wasting resources but I think

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Honoring deceased Wikimedian Ihor Kostenko (user Ig2000)

2014-03-03 Thread ENWP Pine
In case anyone on WikimediaAnnounce-l missed the news: http://wikimediaukraine.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/in-memoriam-of-ihor-kostenko/ https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/02/24/wikipedia-ihor-kostenko-dies/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-02-26/Special_report

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] (press release)

2014-02-13 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi LiAnna, who wrote the FAQ for the press release? I have some concerns. Thanks, Pine Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:19:42 -0800 From: LiAnna Davis lda...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] (press

[Wikimedia-l] Annual Plan development

2014-02-07 Thread ENWP Pine
What is the plan for community and board involvement in the development phases of the Annual Plan? Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED

2014-02-03 Thread ENWP Pine
? It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics. Tony On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Chad, I wonder if Rory has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ED profile

2014-01-31 Thread ENWP Pine
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... a large part will never be contacted as a potential candidate, simply because they are not close to matching the profile Is the profile documented or subjective? I think that this is the only written profile being used.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ED qualifications

2014-01-31 Thread ENWP Pine
Actually, I think that we should consider it a strength in an individual to refuse to consider applying for a position where every aspect of their career and personal life would be microscopically examined by thousands of people. Self-respect is a positive attribute. Risker Risker, let's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 118, Issue 2

2014-01-03 Thread ENWP Pine
a different mail at the beginning of 2015. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:32 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website reliability, and many other metrics. We are continuing to have challenges with our editor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New year's plans for editor engagement

2014-01-03 Thread ENWP Pine
volunteer this year, you, pine, will write a different mail at the beginning of 2015. On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:32 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website reliability, and many other metrics. We are continuing

[Wikimedia-l] New year's plans for editor engagement

2014-01-01 Thread ENWP Pine
We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website reliability, and many other metrics. We are continuing to have challenges with our editor population declining. Statistics are at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org. WMF discussed some of the research around these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ombudsman Commission applications

2013-12-10 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Maggie, what's happening with the Ombudsman Commission scope RFC? Thanks, Pine Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:04:09 -0800 From: Maggie Dennis mden...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Functionaries email list for the English Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Readers love you

2013-12-08 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks very much, Megan. It's very nice to hear this. Pine Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:42:06 -0800 From: Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Readers love you Message-ID:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Overloaded with CentralNotices

2013-10-30 Thread ENWP Pine
For English Wikipedia I also feel that the FDC banner is annoying and probably not very useful for editors or effective for requesting community input. A watchlist notice would be more proportionate but even that is a stretch because FDC is far removed from most editors' on-wiki interests. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-09-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Yes, logs for all office hours are at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_hours#Office_hour_logs. Please consider joining the wiki-research-l mailing list if you're not already subscribed. Pine Reminder, office hour is happening now. Hi, I have missed the announcement, but I would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-09-23 Thread ENWP Pine
Reminder, office hour is happening now. Pine From: deyntest...@hotmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; e...@lists.wikimedia.org; wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikitech-annou...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikimedia-...@lists.wikimedia.org CC: analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:

[Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-09-14 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi everyone, WMF researchers have agreed to participate in an office hour. This will be in the same format as the meeting we had in April 2013 with researcher introductions followed by open QA and discussion. The currently scheduled participants are: * Henrique Andrade, Brazil Data

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine
Sigh. This is a difficult situation. I don't think anyone has suggested that firing Gayle or Philippe should happen. However, I have concerns about keeping Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. I directed that concern to her and I want to hear what she thinks. There may be

[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-28 Thread ENWP Pine
I don't know what to do. I lost sleep thinking about this situation last night. I think I'm still in shock and I'm frustrated. The normal situation on wiki is to have this kind of discussion in public for actions that happen on any wiki that I know of. There were similarly public discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2013-05-25 Thread ENWP Pine
Tilman, Is there a schedule for these reviews on Meta? Also, did Grants have a review recently? Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things)

2013-05-25 Thread ENWP Pine
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:33:57 +0200 From: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Gayle Karen Young gyo...@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and other things) Message-ID:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million

2013-05-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia! http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

2013-05-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:47:08 -0700 From: Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience Message-ID: 519537bc.6000...@frontier.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 5/16/2013 11:52 AM, ENWP Pine wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

2013-05-16 Thread ENWP Pine
I agree that patience is a very important virtue in some situations, such as when we coach newbies or seek consensus among many people. But it's sometimes not a virtue, such as in many crisis situations. As a metrics and performance enthusiast, I feel that it's possible to have an appropriate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-05-09 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks a lot for the replies, Anasuya and Jessie. It will be interesting to see the evolution and impact of WMF grantmaking in the months and years ahead. Pine Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:43:15 -0700 From: Anasuya Sengupta asengu...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Asaf, Thank you for sharing your perspective. This situation is complicated. I think it should be reviewed by an uninvolved third party, probably the FDC ombudsperson. I think it would take significant time and a lot of emails in this thread to accomplish what a review by the ombudsperson

[Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-22 Thread ENWP Pine
Reminder, meeting starts in about 10 minutes. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-20 Thread ENWP Pine
-libre.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Le 2013-04-17 21:11, ENWP Pine a écrit : Hi everyone, We'll meet on IRC in #wikimedia-office on April 22 at 1800 UTC. Please join us. I won't be able to join, but I wish I was able to do so. Did you use a shedule

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-20 Thread ENWP Pine
Credit goes to J-Mo for enthusiastically supporting this idea. I mused that I'd like to have a WMF researcher for an office hour, and largely thanks to J-Mo's suggestions and recruiting, there will be a panel's worth of researchers and analysts. Thanks also to the people at WMF who made time on

[Wikimedia-l] Office hour with WMF researchers

2013-04-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi everyone, WMF researchers have agreed to participate in an office hour about WMF research projects and methodologies. The currently scheduled participants are: * Aaron Halfaker, Research Analyst (contractor) * Jonathan Morgan, Research Strategist (contractor) * Evan Rosen, Data

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation

2013-04-15 Thread ENWP Pine
Reminder, discussion starting in about 10 minutes. We're in #wikimedia-office. Pine From: deyntest...@hotmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:53:37 -0700 Hi everyone, Jessie plans to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation

2013-04-15 Thread ENWP Pine
Changed due to meeting collision. We'll be in #wikimedia-office-learningeval. Pine From: deyntest...@hotmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: RE: Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:51:53 -0700 Reminder, discussion starting

[Wikimedia-l] Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation

2013-04-09 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi everyone, Jessie plans to be available on IRC on April 15, 1800-1900 UTC. I plan to be there with questions about WMF program planning and evaluation, and I hope many of you are also able to attend the discussion. Cheers, Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-31 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Asaf, WSC made several points here that address your question and that are very similar to my own views. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124824.html After re-reading my email to Jessie and looking again at some of the recent WMF Monthly Reports, I think I may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-31 Thread ENWP Pine
Hmm. Once again, I largely agree with WSC. Unless I'm missing something, this idea is largely about fundraising, and I think it could introduce more problems than it solves. The evidence that I've seen suggest that WMF is very successful at fundraising, but has ongoing difficulties with making

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Jessie, Thanks for following up. I think Gayle will be responding to this thread also, but she is a little busy right now as I think we can all understand. In the meantime, I hope that you add to your list of all places receiving movement funding resources any major projects within WMF.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-26 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi WSC, I agree with you on several points, although I think I am more supportive of holding project supervisors accountable for problems. I hope that WMF is paying attention to this conversation. I'll be very interested in hearing what Gayle has to say. After hearing from Gayle, I may have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
James, If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about the usefulness of arbcoms and alternatives to them, and the relationship of Jimbo to arbcoms, I think the best place to do that is at Meta. There have also discussions there about asking for some kind of outside intervention in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Tom, I'm glad that you studied the IEP. Gayle, I would be interested in hearing about the topics that you're covering during your training sessions for WMF supervisors, especially whether you make sure that every supervisor has had an opportunity to learn about the experience of IEP. My

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:05 +0100 From: nemow...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: deyntest...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight ENWP Pine, 24/03/2013 18:39: If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Tom, Thanks for the good email. It's important to learn from mistakes, but admitting mistakes does not absolve someone from accountability. When people are being paid to do something right or to achieve a certain outcome, and that doesn't happen or it happens late, it's sometimes a very good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 82

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Peter, thanks, I agree on that point. Taking calculated risks is much different from being negligent. Some risks work and some don't, and that can be OK in some contexts. Pine From: Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
And speaking of mistakes, I need to remember to change the subject lines of my emails to this list. Pine From: deyntest...@hotmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: RE: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 82 Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:35:58 -0700 Peter, thanks, I agree on that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2013-03-24 Thread ENWP Pine
Awesome. Thank you, Maryana and Steven! Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-23 Thread ENWP Pine
I agree that the general ideas about IEP and AFT5 were worth considering, but I get the impression that there were preventable shortcomings in their designs and planning, and it bothers me a lot that I think I see *similar* flaws in the two programs. I get the impression that lessons from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2013-03-23 Thread ENWP Pine
Tilman, Thanks, it's great to see the momentum here in Mobile Contributions. Was there any discussion about how to convert the selfies uploaders and people who sign up for the watchlist feature into more active contributors? This seems like an opportunity to make progress on what I think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-20 Thread ENWP Pine
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:31:57 -0700 From: Frank Schulenburg frank.schulenb...@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Tomorrow: Office hour inside out (program evaluation) Message-ID:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-20 Thread ENWP Pine
Thomas, I agree with you that it would make sense to have a more thoroughly defined reserve policy, but I also caution against micromanaging the reserve. I believe that I said in my previous email directed to Erik that I'm wondering what the downside is of having some underspend for payroll due

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-15 Thread ENWP Pine
PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hm, I guess a planning problem could be the root cause, but since Erik seems to be saying that WMF has found a number of good candidates outside of SF and yet the statement in the FAQ for the mid-year financials said that the competition

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-13 Thread ENWP Pine
Hm, I guess a planning problem could be the root cause, but since Erik seems to be saying that WMF has found a number of good candidates outside of SF and yet the statement in the FAQ for the mid-year financials said that the competition in the SF region for engineers is the reason for WMF

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Education] School of Open has launched!

2013-03-12 Thread ENWP Pine
Boldly forwarding an email that was sent to the Wikimedia Education list. Pine -- Forwarded message -- From: Jane Park janep...@creativecommons.org Date: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM Subject: [Wikimedia Education] School of Open has launched! To: Wikimedia Education

[Wikimedia-l] MediaWiki data browser

2013-03-11 Thread ENWP Pine
There seems to be considerable interest on this email list about WikiData and similar projects, so I think some people may be interested in this proposal at Individual Engagement Grants. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/MediaWiki_data_browser. Note that the community comment period

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-11 Thread ENWP Pine
Garfield, Thanks for the report. Congrats again to the fundraising team for what they accomplished this for this round of fundraising. The QA for the mid-year report talks about a hiring pace that is slower than planned, and says We attribute this to the fact that the market for engineers

[Wikimedia-l] 2014 calendar of POTY 2012 top twelve

2013-02-24 Thread ENWP Pine
(: A 2014 calendar of the top twelve from the 2012 POTY contest would be a great addition to the Wikimedia shop! Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Feedback wanted on Individual Engagement Grant proposals

2013-02-19 Thread ENWP Pine
Reminder to all that feedback is welcome on Individual Engagement Grant proposals. The public comment phase ends on February 22. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing Pine ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF January 2013 Metrics and Activities Meeting: Thursday, Feb. 7, 19:00 UTC

2013-01-30 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Praveena, Will Philippe's talk that was dropped from the January meeting be added to the agenda for the February meeting? Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation named Knight News Challenge winner

2013-01-17 Thread ENWP Pine
This is great news. Congratulations to those who worked on this grant proposal. I'm always glad to hear that progress continues to be made at making Wikimedia content more accessible and/or editable on mobile. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] This is an encyclopedia

2013-01-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Tom, I too like that work of Catherine. I have it on my userpage also. Pine - Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:41:26 -0200 From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga ezalvare...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Mailing list do Cap?tulo brasileiro da Wikimedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Aaron Swartz is dead - memorials

2013-01-13 Thread ENWP Pine
Numerous Wikipedians are leaving memorials on AaronSw's user talk page on English Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AaronSw I've also added a link to there from Aaron's entry in WP:RIP. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Compromise?

2013-01-06 Thread ENWP Pine
James, Is there evidence that WMF has a worrisome talent retention problem? Gayle seems to think that the answer is generally no. If there is evidence to the contrary that has more weight than anecdotal Glassdoor reviews, I would be interested in seeing that evidence. I would distinguish

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread ENWP Pine
James, I'm a little confounded as to why you're still looking to Glassdoor as your primary source of information on employee satisfaction after Gayle indicated that she has much more comprehensive data on this subject from the employee survey. Also, I will stand up and say that I, for one, am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices)

2013-01-01 Thread ENWP Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee activity levels

2012-12-29 Thread ENWP Pine
Nathan, I agree that other qualitative and quantitative information would be helpful and I hope that Sj or other trustees will comment on the level of trustee engagement. From what I've seen in the public records, the attendance of WMF trustees at Board events seems to be fairly good, but

[Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee activity levels

2012-12-28 Thread ENWP Pine
Sj, I'm addressing this question to you because you seem to be the most active trustee in the areas where I checked for trustee activity, and also because you were one of the authors of the “Building a lasting movement” workshop submission to Wikimania 2012. I would also be interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2012-12-21 Thread ENWP Pine
Eric, This is great. I think this initiative may lead to benefits on multiple fronts. Thank you for this good news! Cheers, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] News24 (.za): SA learners lobby for free Wikipedia

2012-12-11 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks for forwarding. I'll forward this to link to the Signpost staff. I love the concept of Wikipedia Zero and I'm glad to hear that users are finding it valuable. Pine Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:33:00 + From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List

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