Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-12 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi All,

I just wanted to give my opinion on how to make things more civil and
gentle in general, and also to add clarity to the threads. As a non-English
native speaker, there are many things I consider do not help at all in
written discussions in general in any given list, most of the time when
these things are done, then everything turns challenging, complicated, or
sadly blatantly uncivil:

1) Irony
2) Jokes
3) Long and numerous paragraphs (extensive writing)
4) Acronyms

I believe these things are very important to pay attention too and should
be avoided, no matter what we are feeling or thinking about any specific
subject. Not doing so regularly leads to conflictive states, and paying
attention to the latter and restraining from doing so normally contributes
to open discussions.

I believe also that helps a lot to reduce:
5) Sayings and expressions

Maybe all this resonates with someone, and if not, it's also ok :]


Cheers!

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:00 PM Asaf Bartov  wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:50 PM Dan Szymborski 
> wrote:
>
> > As long as people are going to continue to talk about me and imply that
> I'm
> > actually *harassing* people, then I feel I have a right to defend myself.
> >
>
> Nobody ever denied you that right.
>
> I brought up that the UCoC standard is a reasonable person standard, not a
> > "most offended person" standard and this was never addressed. Instead, I
> > was demeaned by being placed on a special moderation protocol. Asaf
> Bartov
> > threatened me that if I continued to defend myself -- even as people
> > continued to discuss me -- that *I'm* hijacking the thread.
>
>
> What I actually wrote to you, and I quote, was:
>
> "I also must insist that you not hijack this thread, which is for
> discussing the draft UCoC.  If you see value in bringing up your concerns
> on those other matters on this list, please do so on separate threads.
> Since you have expressed the opinion that this UCoC draft is illegitimate,
> I suggest there is really no reason for you to post further on this thread,
> leaving it for those who *would* like to discuss it."
>
> I then did indeed threaten that *if you continue to disrupt the UCoC
> thread*, your messages won't be let through. As you can see, your latest
> letter, since it was no longer disrupting the UCoC thread, *was* let
> through.
>
> I asked Asaf if Koerner was given a similar warning for a very long, smug,
> > patronizing screed about me as on-topic. Bartov reiterated that nobody
> else
> > was given any warning about off-topic communication. Only *I* am not
> > allowed to talk about *my* apparent offense.
> >
>
> Since now you quote a question you asked privately, I will quote the answer
> I gave you:
>
> 
> "No, I did not warn Ms. Koerner about thread hijacking, because the very
> problem with thread hijacking is that once the change of topic is made,
> people legitimately want to respond. I have not observed Ms. Koerner
> *initiating* a thread hijack.
>
> I do encourage you to continue contributing on the list, including in
> criticizing whatever flaws you find in the Foundation's actions.  I
> certainly find such flaws myself.
>
> But again, as a professional, perhaps you can be less ornery and more
> measured in expressing the *substance* of your concerns. It would at the
> very least be no less effective, and perhaps more so."
> 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: "Movement"

2020-06-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Paul,

From everything I read in discussions and emails, I believe this
distinction between community and movement, makes sense, and... maybe
hasn't been raised before? If it has been, please excuse me, and point me
where :].  I do not know the practical applications that can derive from
it, but I think it adds, at least, a constructive layer for discussion. In
this sense, I consider this observation somewhat refreshing.


Cheers!

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:02 AM Paul J. Weiss  wrote:

> [From my comments in the rebranding survey]
>
> "Movement"
>
> Please stop calling us a "movement". I am an active Wikipedia contributor,
> but I do not feel part of a movement. Know that I feel excluded when we are
> referred to as a movement. I would guess that most Wikimedians do not
> consider themselves part of a movement. I feel that I am part of the
> Wikimedia _community_.
>
> Note that in the English Wikipedia the title of the relevant article is
> indeed "Wikipedia community", _not_ "Wikipedia movement" (which is a
> redirect). In fact, the word "movement" does not appear in the main text of
> the article at all. "Wikimedia movement" is the title of its article, but
> it is described as "the global community of contributors to Wikimedia
> Foundation projects". A community of contributors is not the same thing as
> a movement. I would say that none of the definitions given in the
> Definitions section of the Social movement article apply to us.
>
> One significant problem to using "movement" is that some, including the
> WMF, exploit the connotations of the word towards social justice, or a
> "greater good", as a rationalization for behaviors that a community might
> not support (and in many cases our community has indeed opposed WMF's
> behavior). Another is the implication that there is basically a core set of
> beliefs and priorities that all those involved support. This is clearly not
> the case in the Wikimedia community. I also think there is an assumption
> that in a movement, there are institutions that those in the movement
> explicitly or implicitly authorize to speak for them. Again, clearly this
> is not the case in the Wikimedia community overall.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Eduardo Testart
s://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Fashion>*
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> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH> Member
> > >
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> > > *Wikipedia <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Camelia.boban> **|
> > > **WikiDonne
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Il giorno sab 25 apr 2020 alle ore 18:12 Rebecca O'Neill <
> > > rebeccanin...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses not
> to
> > > > speak out or state an opinion on something, then we are giving our
> > > support
> > > > to the status quo.
> > > >
> > > > Believing yourself to be apolitical is as much a fantasy as being
> > > > completely objective, it is inherently impossible.
> > > >
> > > > Rebecca
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 16:50 John Erling Blad, 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It is said quite often that the Wikimedia-movement is apolitical.
> In
> > > > > strongly believe the movement with its goal has never been, and
> never
> > > > will
> > > > > be apolitical. When we say that knowledge should be free and fully
> > > > > available for everyone, then we make a political statement. It may
> > not
> > > > > align with you favorite love/hate political party, but it is still
> a
> > > very
> > > > > strong political statement.
> > > > >
> > > > > So please, don't claim the movement to be apolitical. We may not
> > align
> > > > with
> > > > > any specific political party in any specific country, but we are
> > still
> > > > not
> > > > > apolitical.
> > > > >
> > > > > /jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome back, Turkey

2020-01-17 Thread Eduardo Testart
Knowledge as a human right

El jue., 16 de ene. de 2020 17:52, RhinosF1 -  escribió:

> Happy Brithday Wikimedia!
>
> What a great gift to celebrate!
>
> Welcome back Turkey and here’s to another 19 years of free knowledge
> available in every corner of the world.
>
> RhinosF1
> Volunteer
>
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:49, Rajeeb Dutta  wrote:
>
> > Thanks Amanda for sharing this wonderful news, looking forward to
> > collaborate and work with Turkish Community.
> > All my best wishes.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Rajeeb.
> > (U:Marajozkee)
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 01:12, John Erling Blad  wrote:
> >
> > > Seems like the site is throttled or even redirected to a taerpit.
> > > Anyone inside Turkey that can run a trace?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:21 PM Amanda Keton 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Amanda Keton, the new General Counsel at the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation. While Katherine is inflight traveling back from a busy
> week
> > > of
> > > > community meetings in Chile, I wanted to share the exciting news that
> > > > today, we have started to receive reports that the block of Wikipedia
> > in
> > > > Turkey is being lifted, data which is also indicated by our internal
> > > > traffic reports. After more than two and a half years, access to
> > > Wikipedia
> > > > has been restored in Turkey - and on a timely occasion, as we
> celebrate
> > > > Wikipedia’s 19th birthday today!
> > > >
> > > > Please join me in welcoming back our friends and colleagues from
> > Turkey.
> > > > While many have remained active during the block, restoring access to
> > > > Wikipedia will allow thousands more to return in the days and weeks
> > > ahead.
> > > > It is our shared responsibility and honor to help make them feel
> > welcome
> > > > again and make sure they know how much we missed them. I am confident
> > > that
> > > > our community will successfully welcome them back with open arms. I
> > know
> > > we
> > > > have community members around the world who have been eagerly looking
> > > > forward to the block being lifted and brainstorming activities to
> > > > celebrate, and I welcome them to share their ideas as we move
> forward.
> > > >
> > > > Our case in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is also still
> > > > pending, and remains important even in light of the unblock as a way
> to
> > > > continue advocating for strong protections for free expression
> online.
> > We
> > > > will continue to post updates about the next steps in our case before
> > the
> > > > ECHR on the Wikimedia Foundation website. We have also published a
> > > > statement to reflect that access has now been restored in Turkey. [1]
> > > >
> > > > Thank you all for your efforts, kind words, and encouraging thoughts
> as
> > > we
> > > > worked to restore access to Wikipedia in Turkey. I want to thank our
> > > > Turkish community, in particular, for their patience, resolution, and
> > > > continued participation in the movement during the more than two and
> a
> > > half
> > > > years Wikipedia was inaccessible. This was a prolonged global effort,
> > on
> > > > behalf of free knowledge everywhere.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, there are other blocks around the world still in place,
> and
> > > our
> > > > efforts in addressing this type of censorship of knowledge is far
> from
> > > > over. That said, I hope all of you will celebrate this momentous
> > > > accomplishment for free knowledge today and join me in welcoming back
> > the
> > > > people of Turkey to our projects, movement, and community.
> > > >
> > > > With gratitude,
> > > >
> > > > Amanda
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2020/01/16/access-to-wikipedia-restored-in-turkey-after-more-than-two-and-a-half-years/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the extension of funding by the Basque Government

2019-09-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Galder,

Excelentes noticias! Me alegro muchísimo!


Atentamente,

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 3:33 PM John DeBruyn 
wrote:

> Most extraordinary, all involved are to be congratulated, and
> most importantly the Basque People and their Representatives who have
> through their Government rendered such generous financial support, an
> Example to the World.
>
> With Personal and Warm Regards, Sincerely, John, John DeBruyn, Denver,
> Colorado, United States of America, debruynlawoff...@gmail.com,
> http://debruyn.com
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 8:17 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear wikimedians,
> > Three years have gone since we started with the Basque Wikimedians User
> > Group Education Program, funded by the Basque Government. After two years
> > and a half of great enhancing of Basque Wikipedia (more than 2.500
> students
> > adding more than 1.5 million words on fundamental topics) the Basque
> > Government has announce us today the extension of the funding for four
> more
> > years.
> >
> > In this four years we will try to strengthen our Educaton Program but
> also
> > open to new areas in order to make our knowledge equity vision possible.
> By
> > 2024 we will have taken sure steps towards creating a free knowledge
> > ecosystem centered at Wikimedia.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Eduardo Testart
It should be, but I don't find this kind of comments particulary useful,
since they doesn't seem to contribute to the overall discussion.

I believe that a central or unique code of conduct that everyone adheres
to, should be the most efficient way to go, if any particulairties are
needed to be put in place, those should be adressed as such, particular
aditions due to a particular context.

Cheers!

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 5:14 PM Dennis During  wrote:

> Is Wikimedia 'friendly' to or 'safe' for people who voted for, donated to,
> or worked for Trump or Farage or Reagan or LePen or Berlusconi or Modi or
> Bolsonaro or Orban or Bush or Thatcher or Churchill?
>
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM camelia boban 
> wrote:
>
> > I agree a unique, inconfondible and free of interpretations CoC to be
> > adopted by all UGs, as suggested by Thrapostibongles.
> >
> > Camelia
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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> > Coordinator - Diversity Working Group for Wikimedia Strategy 2030
> > Chair & co-founder - WikiDonne User Group *| WikiDonne Project ideator*
> >
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> > <https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progetto:WikiDonne> *
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mar 28 mag 2019 alle ore 17:33 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a
> > group
> > > or
> > > > community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the
> > > likes
> > > > of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration,
> promoting
> > > > racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Surely if a participant in a project is known to be an adherent of a
> > > murderous ideology, with a history of genocide, that takes the view
> that
> > a
> > > certain class of person should be discriminated against, treated as
> > > inferior or subject to violence or extermination -- then any member of
> > the
> > > class discriminated against would have reasonable, eve strong, grounds
> > for
> > > feeling threatened by that participation?
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-16 Thread Eduardo Testart
its losses and close them
> down,
> > on the principle of reinforcing success instead.  These are the big
> > questions it should be asking itself.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi,

I posted this a while ago, an investigation on gender bias where a member
of Wikimedia Chile was involved, in his personal capacity though:
https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4

There are many things that can be addressed individually and as a movement
or collective, if we believe the conclusions are valid, which I personally
do, since they are supported with data and not on our personal impressions.


Cheers!

El jue., may. 10, 2018 10:27, Peter Southwood 
escribió:

> Notability and verifiability are important. They allow us to produce
> reasonably reliable work. Moving away from those constraints opens the
> doors to extremely unreliable material. If Wikipedia is to remain open to
> anyone to edit, there do not appear to be any robust alternatives. Other
> projects may work around this problem, but would then probably not be open
> for anyone to edit. Or can you suggest another way?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland
> Sent: 10 May 2018 15:01
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
>
> "Nothing odd, it's baked in: Wikipedia is a summary of the canon of
> knowledge, the corpus of generally accepted knowledge."
>
> But it is what we accept as part of the canon of "knowledge" as Wikipedia
> that could be improved. We have a very western approach to that saying that
> it needs to be published in such books or journals to be notable enough,
> when different cultures use different ways to build their canon of
> knowledge.
>
> JP
> User:Amqui
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 5:53 AM FRED BAUDER 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Jane Darnell 
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Sent: Thu, 10 May 2018 04:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
> >
> > ...because of our rules regarding references. Oddly,
> > Wikipedia can at best only echo the systemic bias, but will never be able
> > to correct it."
> >
> > Nothing odd, it's baked in: Wikipedia is a summary of the canon of
> > knowledge, the corpus of generally accepted knowledge.
> >
> > The knowledge industry could do better. And when it does, Wikipedia will
> > reflect that. in the meantime it is helpful if gender and other bias
> issues
> > are noted and accommodated. Our mission is more modest than full
> correction
> > of all bias, but we can contribute or even lead.
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anti-viruses [was Re: Information on "Multiple failed attempts to log in" emails]

2018-05-07 Thread Eduardo Testart
Shlomi,

I believe that the problem is with your particular brand of antivirus,
eventhough they all block a bit more or less to prevent certain risks.

Nevertheless, making an extrapolation to every antivirus from the
experience with only one brand, and concluding "they do more harm than
good" based on that, seems a bit off.


Cheers!

El lun., may. 7, 2018 10:02, Gabriel Thullen  escribió:

> I am also a Linux advocate, and have been so for years (decades?). That
> been said, I imagine that there are still more people using Windows XP than
> there are people using Linux. Last time I checked (october 2017) it was
> something like 5% using XP and less than 1% using linux, all distros
> included. We can safely predict that virus outvreaks will be a problem for
> linux once it reaches 5% or 10% market share...
>
> Gabe
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Shabab Mustafa 
> wrote:
>
> > I have been a Linux advocate for almost a decade now and from 'my past
> > experience', I can tell you have opened a topic of a huge discussion
> about
> > people should switch to Linux Desktops (which is off-topic here). But I
> > respectfully disagree with your statement, "anti-virus programs usually
> do
> > more harm than good".
> >
> > From a conservative viewpoint, some protection is still better to have
> than
> > no protection at all. And the example you gave here, an anti-virus
> > mistakenly classified your domain as a potential threat, makes a weaker
> > point. By a few mistakes, we cannot cancel out a million of other
> > successes. A false alarm is yet favourable than no alarm at all.
> >
> > ---
> > Shabab Mustafa
> > President
> > Wikimedia Bangladesh
> >
> > ​
> >
> > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 5:56 PM Shlomi Fish 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 3 May 2018 19:27:16 -0500
> > > John Bennett  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Many of you may have been receiving emails in the last 24 hours
> warning
> > > you
> > > > of "Multiple failed attempts to log in" with your account. I wanted
> to
> > > let
> > > > you know that the Wikimedia Foundation's Security team is aware of
> the
> > > > situation, and working with others in the organization on steps to
> > > decrease
> > > > the success of attacks like these.
> > > >
> > > > The exact source is not yet known, but it is not originating from our
> > > > systems. That means it is an external effort to gain unauthorized
> > access
> > > to
> > > > random accounts. These types of efforts are increasingly common for
> > > > websites of our reach. A vast majority of these attempts have been
> > > > unsuccessful, and we are reaching out personally to the small number
> of
> > > > accounts which we believe have been compromised.
> > > >
> > > > While we are constantly looking at improvements to our security
> systems
> > > and
> > > > processes to offset the impact of malicious efforts such as these,
> the
> > > best
> > > > method of prevention continues to be the steps each of you take to
> > > > safeguard your accounts. Because of this, we have taken steps in the
> > past
> > > > to support things like stronger password requirements,[1] and we
> > continue
> > > > to encourage everyone to take some routine steps to maintain a secure
> > > > computer and account. That includes regularly changing your
> > passwords,[2]
> > > > actively running antivirus software on your systems, and keeping your
> > > > system software up to date.
> > > >
> > >
> > > From my experience, anti-virus programs usually do more harm than good.
> > For
> > > example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_AntiVirus recently
> blocked
> > > my
> > > entire shlomifish.org domain because it apparently misclassified an
> > > executable
> > > download as problematic (and it was built from source using
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMake and
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppVeyor
> > > so it is unlikely that that is the case.). MS Windows' poor resistance
> to
> > > malware and the fact that Windows Update is so dysfunctional (see
> > > http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Windows-Update/ ) are the
> > > reasons
> > > why I cannot recommend running it as a desktop, and instead one should
> > use
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Desktop - desktop linux or
> similar.
> > >
> > > A little off topic perhaps, but needs to be said.
> > >
> > > > My team will continue to investigate this incident, and report back
> if
> > we
> > > > notice any concerning changes. If you have any questions, please
> > contact
> > > > the Support and Safety team (susa{{@}}wikimedia.org).
> > > >
> > > > John Bennett
> > > > Director of Security, Wikimedia Foundation
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Password_strength_requirements
> > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ChangePassword
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-28 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all,

In my personal opinion, the term "emerging communities" is much more
healthy and acceptable than Global South, which always sounded patronizing
and diminshing.

And I also like and celebrate the initiative to create our own definition :)


Cheers!
P.S.: The map in the link needs a thorough review ;)

El sept. 28, 2017 7:09 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
escribió:

> Hoi,
> For me this initiative raises more questions then it answers. As I
> understand it, it is a change in vocabulary and it defines when a
> Wikipedia  community is big enough to get "official" attention.
>
> My problem is that it is very much standalone; it does not connect with
> other practices. It does mention "incubating languages" but it does not
> mention the incubator. In the language committee we have had organisations,
> educational organisations who want to champion a language in their school.
> This makes them bigger than the limit of 10 editors. At this time we do not
> have a way to accomodate such requests. In my opinion for all the wrong
> reasons. The wrong reasons because we know how effective schools are in
> providing basic facts in a Wikipedia..
>
> Once the Wikimedia Foundation had a group of technical people who worked on
> language technology. Most of these people are still working at the WMF but
> they are no longer involved in language tech. This became obvious when a
> really worthy improvement for the Bashkir language, collation, was
> implemented by a volunteer and Amir blogged that he had supported it as a
> *volunteer*.. (he made a point of this). Particularly in the smaller
> languages issues like collation are areas where the Wikimedia could make a
> big difference. It is quite obvious that when we advertise the quality of
> our language support (and because of our existing font support it is
> already quite good) we can gain a lot of adventurous people.
>
> In the current approach to languages and support it is imho very much
> Wikipedia as we know it. We do not leverage the content in Wikidata as much
> as we could. There has a lot of acrimoniousness regarding the Cebuano
> Wikipedia. Millions of articles were generated as fixed text and
> consequently it is currently impossible to maintain it.  The root cause is
> our inability to cooperate. When this information was imported in Wikidata
> (and cooperate with the original source) we could generate the text and
> serve it as cached content. When the data is improved, the cached text gets
> changed. The fact that such things are not considered is proof perfect of
> opportunities wasted. Opportunities open to any language.
>
> So it would be really cool when we consider how we can "share in the sum of
> all our available knowledge". This is attainable if we dare to think
> through what we can achieve and how we can make the most out of our
> communities and the knowledge they hold.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On 27 September 2017 at 19:28, Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > Years ago, as part of the first Strategy process of 2009-2010, a
> > distinction entered our lives, between Global North and Global South
> > countries.  That distinction was borrowed from a United Nations agency
> > named ITU, and it was used as shorthand to refer to communities the
> > Foundation considered to need additional resources and help to achieve
> > impact on our mission of creating and sharing free knowledge.
> >
> > However, the distinction was never a very good fit for us.  It was based
> on
> > UN notions like the Human Development Index, and gave much weight to
> > nation-wide economic conditions.  Its binary nature did not allow for
> > distinguishing between countries where Wikimedia work is possible and
> > happening, albeit with difficulty, and ones where no Wikimedia work, or
> > next to none, is happening, or possible.  It also looked only at
> geography,
> > whereas much of our work is defined by language communities and not by
> > geographies.  And it was political and alienating to many people.
> >
> > In short, it was both not as useful as we needed it to be as well as
> > unloved and rejected by many.
> >
> > The Community Resources team at the Wikimedia Foundation has been
> thinking
> > about replacing that distinction with a more nuanced one, that would be a
> > much better fit with our needs, would take into account the actual state
> of
> > editing communities, would consider multiple axes beyond geography, and
> > would be less controversial.
> >
> > We began using the term "emerging communities" two years ago, first as a
> > replacement for the term Global South, but it has always been our
> intention
> > to define Emerging Communities ourselves.  Finishing the proposed
> > definition took a back seat for a while due to other priorities, but we
> are
> > ready to share the proposed definition today:
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Engagement/
> > 

[Wikimedia-l] Women through the glass ceiling: gender asymmetries in Wikipedia

2017-09-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all,



One of the members from Wikimedia Chile, independently from the chapter and
before he became a member, was directly involved in the development of the
following article, that adress the gender inequality (or gender bias), and
which gives the title to the email:

*https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4
<https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4>*


It was published almost a year and half ago (March 1, 2016), and from an
internal and informal conversation that occurred yesterday in the Chapter,
he shared the link to the complete study
<https://epjdatascience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4>
(in English). Worth to mention is that he presented preliminary results
<https://www.slideshare.net/carnby/wmcl2015-investigando-usando-wikipedia>
(in Spanish) about it in the Wikimedia Chile Conference
<https://wikimedia.cl/Conferencia_Wikimedia_Chile_2015> from 2015.


I read the complete article yesterday, and found it extremely interesting,
so I took the liberty to share it here, in case you haven’t had the chance
to read it yet.


Also, the article is distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons
Attribution 4.0 International License :)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Eduardo Testart
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> > > in practise.
> > >
> > >
> > > The RFC is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/
> > > wikimedia-l-post-limits
> > >
> > > However please also feel welcome to reply on-list if you wish to
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> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help requested for finding certain subjects in your local Wikipedia

2017-08-03 Thread Eduardo Testart
Romain,

For CL
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centro_Cultural_Gabriela_Mistral
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museo_de_Arte_Contempor%C3%A1neo_de_Santiago


Regards,

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In the Dutch part of Belgium there exists a performing arts database, and
> they are donating parts of it to Wikidata. Over the past century they have
> collected the theatre venues and festivals where a Flemish theatre group
> had its première. For many locations I already found an article in
> Wikipedia or an item in Wikidata, for some not yet. For those of which no
> article nor item could be found, I need your help!
>
> Please help me identify which venues and festivals from your country listed
> on this page have in your Wikipedia already an article?
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Romaine/Kunstenpunt_venues
> You can edit the page!
>
> The countries of what I have at least one or more locations are:
>
> Argentina
> Australia
> Austria
> Belarus
> Brazil
> Canada
> Chile
> China
> Congo-Kinshasa
> Croatia
> Cyprus
> Czech Republic
> Denmark
> Egypt
> Estonia
> Finland
> France
> Germany
> Greece
> Hong Kong
> Iceland
> Iran
> Ireland
> Israel
> Italy
> Japan
> Latvia
> Liechtenstein
> Lithuania
> Luxembourg
> Macedonia
> Morocco
> Netherlands
> Norway
> Philippines
> Poland
> Portugal
> Romania
> Russia
> Slovakia
> Slovenia
> South Africa
> South Korea
> Spain
> Switzerland
> Taiwan
> Turkey
> UK
> USA
> Vietnam
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Eduardo Testart
María,

Congratulations for your appointment!


Cheers!

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Sam Klein <sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:

> Thank you, Patricio & María.
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Liam Wyatt <liamwy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Appointing María to the vacant seat is the best decision in the
> > circumstances IMO. Not only does she come with strong "community seat"
> > legitimacy as the person who came 'next' in the quite-recent election,
> she
> > also is coming BACK to the board. The shorter learning-curve means that,
> > during this difficult and important time, she will be able to be
> > an effective
>
> board member much faster than someone joining it for the first time.
> >
>
> Well said.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-09-01 Thread Eduardo Testart
Brad,

Sure, thanks.

Best!
El sept. 1, 2015 12:23 PM, "Brad Jorsch (Anomie)" <bjor...@wikimedia.org>
escribió:

> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Eduardo Testart <etest...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > Reported as bets as I could on:
> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562
>
>
> The necessary part was the "[b7e99e43] Exception Caught" and "[97b50521]
> Exception Caught". That allows me to look up the exception in the logfiles
> on the server to see details as to what exactly is causing it.
>
> Let's have further discussion in Phabricator.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-08-31 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi All,

I was reviwing this thread, and I have had several problems uploading some
files from the National Library of Chile (150 to 200 MB files). The first
problem with the chunck upload system is that it showed to me the following
error **. I entered on
preferences and turned on the option for chunk upload.

This has been (partially?) adressed in the following Phabricator thread:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/*T94562*, but I believe hasn't been fixed.

After receiving the prior error message, I opted to use the following
workaround: http://tools.wmflabs.org/url2commons/index.html, which worked
sometimes, and others, specially for the bigger files has given me the
error: *ERROR: null*

I do not know what is creating this errors (I am uploading PDF's), but it
would be really nice if someone could either check it up to see if it can
be fixed (my best guess would be that is has to do somehaow with the
Mediawiki software), or be kind to explain me which method could be another
simple and easy workaround (since I couldn't figure out how to use the
bigChunkedUpload.js).


Thanks a lot!

On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Carmen Alcázar <wotanc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I recall that I could upload files over this limit,
> but maybe I'm just confused.
> I'll do as you recommend.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> 2015-03-18 16:37 GMT-06:00 Fæ <fae...@gmail.com>:
>
> > 100MB is the normal maximum. If you use chunked uploading (not part of
> > the standard interface) you can upload up to 1GB.
> >
> > For an easy uploader see
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rillke/bigChunkedUpload.js
> >
> > You can also use the GLAMwiki toolset -
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:GLAMwiki_Toolset_Project -
> > though it is intended for larger batch uploads.
> >
> > Fae
> >
> > On 18 March 2015 at 22:21, Carmen Alcázar <wotanc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > > I am Wikipedian in residence and want to upload a high quality tiff
> > archive
> > > and I can't seem to upload more than 100.00 MB. I get this message:
> "You
> > > can only upload files with a size of up to 100.00 MB". What is
> happening
> > ?
> > > Do you know what I can do?
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-08-31 Thread Eduardo Testart
Brad,

The error is just a message in the fourth step of uploading in the Upload
Wizard, I do not know how to get  alog from it. As described
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562> by waldyrious before me:

*I got the same error as @Hansmuller describes above, i.e. the upload went
well till the end, I progressed to the step of filling in the metadata info
(description, license, categories, etc) and at the final step (publishing),
I got the *
An image of the error can be found here /same than me):
https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/mv7jdnjrux637yiwtskr/PHID-FILE-fqoayfep3fb62d2bs5gr/42moazu5vwnknzo6/UW_error.png

So, I do not know how to provide a log for you. What should I do?


Best!

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> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Eduardo Testart <etest...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I do not know what is creating this errors (I am uploading PDF's), but it
> > would be really nice if someone could either check it up to see if it can
> > be fixed
>
>
> Step 1 would be for you to report the entire error message you're
> receiving. In particular, the error message will begin with something like
> "[0badf00d] Exception Caught:", that and the date and time you received the
> error will allow people with access to the logs to look up details on the
> error.
>
> For the "url2commons" tool, you'd do best to talk with the maintainer of
> that tool.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons

2015-08-31 Thread Eduardo Testart
Brad,

Reported as bets as I could on:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562


Best!

On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Eduardo Testart <etest...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Brad,
>
> The error is just a message in the fourth step of uploading in the Upload
> Wizard, I do not know how to get  alog from it. As described
> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94562> by waldyrious before me:
>
> *I got the same error as @Hansmuller describes above, i.e. the upload went
> well till the end, I progressed to the step of filling in the metadata info
> (description, license, categories, etc) and at the final step (publishing),
> I got the *
> An image of the error can be found here /same than me):
>
> https://phab.wmfusercontent.org/file/data/mv7jdnjrux637yiwtskr/PHID-FILE-fqoayfep3fb62d2bs5gr/42moazu5vwnknzo6/UW_error.png
>
> So, I do not know how to provide a log for you. What should I do?
>
>
> Best!
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) <
> bjor...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Eduardo Testart <etest...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I do not know what is creating this errors (I am uploading PDF's), but
>> it
>> > would be really nice if someone could either check it up to see if it
>> can
>> > be fixed
>>
>>
>> Step 1 would be for you to report the entire error message you're
>> receiving. In particular, the error message will begin with something like
>> "[0badf00d] Exception Caught:", that and the date and time you received
>> the
>> error will allow people with access to the logs to look up details on the
>> error.
>>
>> For the "url2commons" tool, you'd do best to talk with the maintainer of
>> that tool.
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CAPTCHA issues discouraging new editors

2015-06-19 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all,

I know this might be a bit off topic but I'll risk it anyways.

One told me a couple weeks ago that CAPTCHA (at least one CAPTCHA) was
created or used to transcribe documents bit by bit, each word you enter
corresponds to a two word link, that when it reaches so many equal
responses is marked as resolved and moved to the next word on a document.

Wouldn't be wonderful if we could use this idea to transcribe documents in
Wikisource, create our own CAPTCHA for the benefit of our own projects.

Also, filling up a CAPTCHA this way, would make it count as one more edit.

Thus we will be more synergetic towards our own efforts, and have a CAPTCHA
might make sense overall if needed.

Please fill free to separate the thread or correct me, since I only used my
friends story as a source.

Best!
El jun. 19, 2015 10:59 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk
escribió:

 On 19 June 2015 at 13:54, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Earlier this year as a result of the glam organisers event in Paris I
 made a proposal at bugzilla for an event organisers useright. This would
 have allowed us to circumvent this problem at those editathons that are
 targeted at newbies, and it got widely endorsed by GLAM editors from
 several languages. Sadly it got marked as resolved because there was
 something that looked similar to developers, though not of course to
 potential users. If anyone here knows how to bypass phabricator or how to
 mark a phabricator request as unresolved and still much wanted, then the
 link is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91928

 I've reopened it - please comment there.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi,

The case I found says:

   - Registered: XX feb 2011 (4 years ago), which is actually the date when
   the CentralAuth claims that the account was attached on.

But:

   - First edit: XX may 2006

This dates do not match when an account was created locally and when an
account was created globally. Also, the field says registered but shows
something else.

I believe Asaf could be right, and would agree on a one-time job to
backdate the SUL accounts to the actual first edit of each now-unified
account happened, of course, when things settle down.


Thanks.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Keegan Peterzell 
 kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference
  between when an account was created locally and when an account was
 created
  globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts were
  attached to global accounts, so it looks like they were only created a
  month ago on CentralAuth (because they were only created a month ago on
  CentralAuth) when the account could be as old as the wiki itself in local
 
 registration.
 

 Right.  But now that the SULpocalypse is come[1], and we're all one big
 happy user namespace, the value of date created on CentralAuth is
 significantly lower than what people really want to see in that field,
 which is date started editing, anywhere.  It was much more impractical
 until now, but perhaps now (read: when the dust settles and any dangling
 issues are dealt with, and you're back from vacation), it would actually
 make sense to run a one-time job to backdate the SUL accounts to the actual
 first edit of each now-unified account?[2]

 Cheers,

the One True [[User:Ijon]] :)

 [1] kudos on that, and on the elegantly epic thread resurrection. :)
 [2] Best response possible would be an already-existing Phabricator ticket,
 of course.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi,

I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore
and please post me in the right direction).

I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least
two users where the information that appears about when they started
editing does not match the information saved in the wiki (as off first
edit).

Could this be a bug due to the recent change?

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El abr. 22, 2015 1:49 PM, Anna Stillwell astillw...@wikimedia.org
escribió:

 Really nicely done. Given how you spoke of this earlier I thought for sure
 this would not be as seamless as it appears to have gone. Congrats again.
 /a

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Philippe Beaudette 
 phili...@wikimedia.org
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  On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
 
   Eloquence~metawiki
 
 
  Geekpoints, +2
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Veteran Malayalam Wikipedian BabuG signed off...

2015-03-05 Thread Eduardo Testart
Hi all,

I was thinking, it is possible to create some sort of hall of fame from/for
Wikipedia? It would be nice that stories like this one get a place to stay
in time.

Just a though...
El mar. 5, 2015 12:08 PM, ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com
escribió:

 Dear Wikimedians all over the world,

 One of our stalwarts at ml Wikimedia community, Wikiuser:BabuG
 https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug (
 https://ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Babug)  expired yesterday night.

 Despite having paralyzed due to a severe stroke and severely affected by
 several subsequent health problems, he was guided to Wikipedia by his son,
 Dr. Ajay, another prominent Malayalam Wikipedian, as a possible remedy to
 escape perpetual loneliness.

 His real world name was G. Balachandran.He was born on 14th October 1938 in
 a small village off North Parur, Ernakulam District, Kerala, the
 Southernmost state of India.He  joined the Armed Forces Engineering College
 and then continued to serve the Indian Armed forces for long many years.

 He started contributing to Wikimedia, particularly to Malayalam Wikipedia,
 in the year 2008.

 His initial contributions to Malayalam Wikipedia were based upon a
 pulp-converted digital Encyclopedia, released by the Government through
 GFDL licence then.  He continued to create even more full-featured articles
 on his own, later. By 2014 October 18 - the day he edited last in
 Wikipedia- he had 1935 full-blown articles initiated and expanded by
 himself in ml.wikipedia.org. Besides, he also contributed more than 350
 images to Wikimedia commons and a handsome  amount of contributions to
 Wikisource, Wikidata and Wiktionary.

 He always attributed his renewed energy and life's aspirations to the
 Wikimedia mission, for having returned to a meaningful life after a 20-year
 long and frustrating solitude while constrained to an immobile chair. Ever
 since 2008, he stood up and started walking and moving around. His was an
 extreme example for us in Malayalam WP to showcase how Wikipedia can change
 lives.

 In almost all our Wikipedia Outreach sessions, we utilized this great
 example to motivate and excite the newcomers to WP.

 Tory Read mentioned about BabuG thus, in a document
 http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/india-chronicles.pdf, a  review
 on the state of Indian Wikimedia Communities, in 2011:

 G. Balachandran, a septuagenarian who lives outside of Ernakulum in Kerala
  state, said that working on Malayalam Wikipedia helped him recover after
 a
  stroke left him paralyzed. “He’s much sharper now,” said his wife
 Jagadamma
  K. “He’s made a lot of new friends, and that’s been good for his health.”


 For us in Malayalam Wikipedia, today is a black day, for having lost a
 great beacon on our voyage to ultimate openness and freedom in knowledge
 and wisdom.


 Yet, we feel, BabuG has made his life stamped immortal for ever and has
 shown us the pathway we should follow in continuing our humble
 contributions to the ultimate cause of mankind.


 -ViswaPrabha
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