[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Help fund a macro lens for a Commons contributor
Messaggio inoltrato Oggetto: [Commons-l] Help fund a macro lens for a Commons contributor Data: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:26:05 + Mittente: Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com Rispondi-a: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List common...@lists.wikimedia.org A: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: common...@lists.wikimedia.org Hi list, this is just to let you know that a group of Commons volunteers have just launched a crowdfunding campaign at Indiegogo to fund a macro lens for Jeevan Jose a.k.a. Jkadavoor so as to allow him to take even better pictures of the amazing biodiversity in his home state of Kerala, India. The pictures, of course, are released by Jee under a free licence and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, and then used in Wikipedia articles in multiple languages. As an uninvolved person who has just been made aware of this, all I can say is: have a look at the campaign page at http://igg.me/at/jkadavoor and decide for yourselves whether this is a project you want to help with. [CC-ing this to the Commons mailing list as well.] Regards, -- Tomasz W. Kozlowski a.k.a. [[user:odder]] ___ Commons-l mailing list common...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos
See also https://creativecommons.org/board , https://creativecommons.org/tag/ceo It's important to note that CC has dozens of independent national chapters (affiliates https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Category:Jurisdictions ), many of which are university centres/departments; some are rather big and do international work as well, like NEXA ( https://wiki.creativecommons.org/Italy ). It's impossible for them all to collapse at once; in case of fatal emergency, it would probably be comparatively easy to transition the barebone CC infrastructure (main trademarks and website) from one org to another. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cc-by-sa 4.0, Wikimedia logos
Pine W, 10/02/2015 10:13: in order to maintain continuity with new content What? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who are the nicest people on our projects ?
Fæ, 05/02/2015 18:47: Top 10*most thanked* users in Jan 2015: English Wikipedia: Looks like edit wars pay back in this rank. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet
Risker, 16/01/2015 18:44: We now have at least a partial understanding of the reason the fundraising campaign was extended, which is found in the minutes of the Board of Trustees meeting of November 2014.[1] Board members asked Lila and Lisa to consider and evaluate ways to raise additional revenue to increase the reserve for future needs of the organization and movement, including the possibility of adjustments in fundraising methods as appropriate. [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2014-11-21#Executive_Update_from_Fundraising I still don't understand how asking to consider and evaluate can override an explicit board resolution which established very different targets. What steps were taken exactly, which legally authorised such increase in income? https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:2014-2015_Annual_Plan https://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A2014-15_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan.pdfpage=22 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] statistics of usage of wikimedia project per language used in the interface
charles andrès (WMCH), 04/02/2015 14:25: Is there a way to know how many people use Wikipedia per interface language? No. Said in other words, I want to know how many people display the Wikimedia project interface in the different version of German and Alemannisch. Until https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T58464 is fixed (hopefully in this decade), the requests with non-default language are negligible.* What makes you think that you need such a level of precision and https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm is not enough? Once the use case for such precise numbers is clarified, probably we can extract exact data with a method similar to https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T65416 after it's fixed (hopefully this year; the bug has made localisation and new subdomain requests practically impossible or unfeasible in dozens languages, for many months now). Nemo (*) Even considering the sum of requests with uselang parameter** and of registered users with a non-default language choice in preferences. (**) Even in Commons, despite all the uselang-specific incoming links and the language selection gadget. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Education Extension
Samir Elsharbaty, 04/02/2015 03:08: It seems that the extension already covers most of what was suggested here: - A teacher or wiki-mentor could make a shared watchlist of their student's draft pages. - An editathon organiser could create a shared watchlist of all the articles within the scope of the event. - A wikiproject could create several shared watchlists to group related articles for members to more easily monitor. - probably many other use-cases that might emerge... Ah, does it. My understanding is that this has been considered feature bloat, to be removed in a rewrite of the extension. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Editor_campaigns If it works for you, however, it can hopefully scale. I suggest that you comment on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Gather to suggest they split the shared watchlist feature out of the Education extension If this is the case why shall we have a new extension with the same features? Please have a look at this page which covers the features and use of the Ed extension: https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Extension Also this learning pattern would help understanding how it works: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Learning_patterns/Using_the_education_extension These are not appropriate places for documentation of a MediaWiki extension. Please move to the Help namespace of mediawiki.org. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Education Extension
Liam Wyatt, 03/02/2015 14:06: Not precisely this, but related... Is there any plan to have folders in a watchlist, and then the ability to make a specific folder visible (a.k.a. shared) to others? [...] Has this been discussed/suggested before? Only a few dozens times. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Watchlist_wishlist ; the proposal is tracked at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T7875 and https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T9467 . Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
If the WMF is consulting any specific entity of an individual Wikimedia project out of 800 for a crosswiki matter, that's ridiculous, period. I don't see why bother looking into the specific merits of the entity in question, or the allegations about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons / OTRS is broken
James Heilman, 03/02/2015 05:52:
not sure what the solution is.
Usually, following the docs: «use {{subst:OP}} to tell others that it's
in progress»
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS#Templates_to_use_on_image_pages
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] proportion of wiki size to what?
Amir E. Aharoni, 26/01/2015 02:57: By size I mean the article count and the active editor count. If you drop this parenthesis, the whole email is fine. :) Article count is a totally useless metric for size; comparing useless metrics to uncertain metrics is quite sure to produce garbage. Since 2008, total size on Wikimedia projects is defined by usage: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Wikipedias While the active editor count is our official measure of current size of a project. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research? [Davenport]
Erkan Yilmaz, 06/01/2015 19:02: Wikiversity allows original research: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Original_research English Wikiversity, that is. (And French, perhaps others.) Italian Wikiversity does not. https://it.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversit%C3%A0:Cosa_Wikiversit%C3%A0_non_%C3%A8#Wikiversit.C3.A0_non_.C3.A8_un_palco_per_comizi (How many times in a thread do I need to repeat that guidelines must be verified locally?) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Winners Announced in World's Largest Photo Contest: Wiki Loves Monuments
Vira Motorko, 24/12/2014 19:40: Is there a blog post onhttps://blog.wikimedia.org/ about this? Will it be? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog#Drafting_a_post says to propose one yourself. For now I see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Blog/Drafts/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_Pakistan_winners_announced Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] EU copyright rules are maladapted to the increase of cross-border cultural exchange on the web
Cristian Consonni, 22/01/2015 02:29: A shorter version with the most important points is the press release: [2]https://juliareda.eu/2015/01/press-release-eu-copyright-report/ There's also a short summary at http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2015/01/breaking-news-pirate-party-mep-julia.html And at https://www.discuto.io/en/consultation/6240 everyone can comment and make proposals for the EU parliament committee. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF 2014 Annual report
Itzik - Wikimedia Israel, 22/01/2015 16:18: https://annual.wikimedia.org/2014/ I don't see a language selector. Clearly a regression compared to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Annual_Report/2012-2013/Front Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] idea: making the projects accessible on Tor and IP2
It would probably help if you linked a description of what you are proposing. :) https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding
Sue Gardner, 01/04/2014 05:23: On 21 March 2014 13:23, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: We will update the wiki page at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence/Harvard_University_assessment with more information and details. I encourage others to participate in this as a collaborative process. Thanks Erik. For everyone: following up on Erik's e-mail, the WMF has done a postmortem of the Belfer situation, which I've just posted at the link from Erik above. https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Assessment_of_Belfer_Center_Wikipedian_in_Residence_program#Decisions_made said: The ED plans, with the C-level team, to develop a better process for staff to escalate and express concerns about any WMF activities that staff think may in tension with, or in violation of, community policies or best practices. It will take some time to develop a simple, robust process: we aim to have it done by 1 May 2014. I think we're well past the deadline–unless 2014 was a typo for 2015, or ED a typo for Sue Gardner in her spare time. Any updates? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Spam] Re: Become a Digital object identifier (DOI) registarnt
Andrew Gray, 21/01/2015 13:35: (Foolish question: can oldids be reconstituted from dumps?) Yes, grep any XML dump for revision to see yourself. However, the standard import doesn't preserve this information. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path
David Gerard, 20/01/2015 15:38: As I noted, this is a legal stick There was no indication whatsoever from the WMF that these actions were required by law. It's possible they were, sure. But we are abandoned to mere speculation from supporters of either interpretation. See talk page on transparency: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:WMF_Global_Ban_Policy#Transparency_reports Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path
David Gerard, 20/01/2015 21:11: As I noted, this is a legal stick There was no indication whatsoever from the WMF that these actions were required by law. That's neither what I said nor meant Sorry if I was unclear: I know you didn't. It's just a distinction worth noting. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Become a Digital object identifier (DOI) registarnt
phoebe ayers, 20/01/2015 23:42: suggests relying on*us* for persistent identifier stability: Hmm I'm not sure that's what it's written there. However, relatedly, also today: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/01/26/cobweb «The footnote, a landmark in the history of civilization, took centuries to invent and to spread. It has taken mere years nearly to destroy. [...] The footnote problem, though, stands a good chance of being fixed. Last year, a tool called Perma.cc was launched.» I looked into perma.cc some time ago but I had never read such an emphatic supporter yet. (Their stats also seem rather flat lately.) The two articles combined make me wonder: if I cite a Wikimedia projects page in a long-term document, should I link something like perma.cc or to the oldid? I prefer the oldid, because I think it's every website's responsibility to offer really permanent links. But if such a permalink/archival service was offered by a national library with the guarantees of legal deposit... then I wouldn't be sure. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet
Megan Hernandez, 16/01/2015 22:11: Most of them do not have phabricator accounts, so the email feedback channel is critical. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help#Using_e-mail Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet
As for the fundraiser's duration, I believe the 2014 fundraiser ran for 30 days (December 2 to December 31, 2014). That's certainly incorrect. https://frdata.wikimedia.org/campaign-vs-amount.csv shows about 200 campaigns started in 2014, excluding sidebar and other regular stuff. A campaign can contain hundreds of banners. Some campaigns lasted few hours, most of them several days or weeks. Because according tohttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2013 – In 2012, we were able to shorten the fundraiser down to nine full days, the shortest fundraiser we've had. As noted in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report , those numbers are meaningless comparisons. We've been waiting for the number of impressions (at a minimum) for 20 months now. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?
Castelo Branco, 09/01/2015 14:17: Wikibooks is for textbooks, annotated texts, instructional guides, and manuals. (...) Wikibooks is not a place to publish primary research. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks That's only one language. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update regarding WMF's reporting practices
Given https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-January/076324.html, some questions. Erik Moeller, 06/11/2014 07:57: Format: Effective immediately, we are shifting to a quarterly reporting format. This will impact our reporting, and the October through December https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_September_2014 is still missing. Who's going to compile it? As above, the deadline for publication of the first report, covering October 1 - December 31, is February 15. Is this confirmed? For this first report, we are being conservative with regard to the deadline, as we will have our resources directed at our staff all-hands and developer summit in January. Tilman and I will begin creating a draft structure for this new report in coming weeks, and will do so in public from the get-go. Did this happen? If not, will Tilman still help draft this structure? We will also rethink the “Wikimedia Highlights” alongside other multilingual movements news formats, likely detaching them from reporting functions. Out of scope of this effort for now: - Providing more timely updates on initiatives with high user impact. We’re continuing to provide updates to Tech News [2] and similar newsletters, but we’re not currently doing a major overhaul here. Is https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-October/074889.html still accurate in that Guillaume continues tech reports for now? Nemo [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/News [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Dashboard ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department
Erik Moeller, 07/01/2015 20:36: It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the Foundation’s Product Strategy department as Senior Analyst. I would like to thank Katherine Maher for supporting and helping to prepare this move from the Communications department. Thanks. If I understand correctly and this means we'll see more Tilman in research-y stuff, without reducing WMF transparency, it's great! I have a number of questions though, see * https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributionsdir=prevoffset=20150108212736limit=3target=Nemo+bis * http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/75430/focus=76554 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: White House response to Aaron Swartz petition
Keegan Peterzell, 08/01/2015 09:15: For those unfamiliar with American political history in its brief existence, this is entirely expected. Sure, that part was the least interesting. The power over who has the right to hire and fire whom has been the center of our politics since near inception[1] as well as crucial points in national development[2]. 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison 2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson I prefer https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/De_la_d%C3%A9mocratie_en_Am%C3%A9rique/%C3%89dition_1848/Tome_2/Deuxi%C3%A8me_partie/Chapitre_8 / https://books.google.it/books?id=UXkJ0gvjS0ACpg=PA303 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Honorary degree for Wikipedia + meeting
Romaine Wiki, 08/01/2015 18:12: Universiteit Maastricht (UM) reikt een eredoctoraat uit aan Frans Timmermans en de oprichter van Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales. Doctorate in what discipline? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: White House response to Aaron Swartz petition
See https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck Messaggio inoltrato Oggetto:Response to We the People Petition on U.S. Attorney's Office Personnel Matters Data: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 18:18:14 -0600 Mittente: The White House We the People *Response to We the People Petition on U.S. Attorney's Office Personnel Matters* Aaron Swartz's death was a tragic, unthinkable loss for his family and friends. Our sympathy continues to go out to those who were closest to him, and to the many others whose lives he touched. We also reaffirm our belief that a spirit of openness is what makes the Internet such a powerful engine for economic growth, technological innovation, and new ideas. That's why members of the Administration continue to engage with advocates to ensure the Internet remains a free and open platform as technology continues to disrupt industries and connect our communities in ways we can't yet imagine. We will continue this engagement as we tackle new questions on key issues such as citizen participation in democracy, open access to information, privacy, intellectual property, free speech, and security. As to the specific personnel-related requests raised in your petitions, our response must be limited. Consistent with the terms we laid out when we began We the People, we will not address agency personnel matters in a petition response, because we do not believe this is the appropriate forum in which to do so. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason
Anders Wennersten, 06/01/2015 12:26: I believe that in the area of gender-gap the dynamic could be more complex (as in my example). And if WMF only want to see a direct link between effort and impact, they could miss out other dynamics. I think this is always a good point to remind ourselves, thanks for your example (and self-criticism). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Patricia Pena, 06/01/2015 19:32: worked with our bank to improve the security and fraud protection of our bank accounts so that we can now disclose the bank account information on our donation pages. Great! Can these important security tips/steps be documented on a Meta-Wiki page, so that other affiliates can ensure their security as well? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?
Sucheta Ghoshal, 05/01/2015 14:30: huge repository of texts, images, and other relevant details that they are willing to make available digitally in the form of free contents. Freely licensed reproductions of relevant primary sources are definitely welcome on Wikimedia Commons. We wish to have the contents as wikis, and, pictures and video snippets that might be involved - as properly licensed free materials. Now, the concern is if there is some Wikimedia Project that would host contents that are based on such an enormous amount of original research. The original research part *might* be allowed on some Wikibooks subdomains, you have to ask the community in the relevant language. For your own wiki, it's probably best to enter an open farm. There are several. https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Farm:Farms Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Become a Digital object identifier (DOI) registarnt
Andy Mabbett, 30/12/2014 22:53: Where 's the best on-wiki (Meta?) place to propose this? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RfC looks ok *if* you have enough information already. For instance, AFAIK DOI has a non-negligible cost and Internet Archive uses ARK instead for this reason. Information on the financial cost would certainly inform the discussion significantly, e.g. to decide whether it's worth it at all or whether to use curid instead, in your example https://en.wikipedia.org/?curid=31445754 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email
Liam Wyatt, 19/12/2014 00:08: PS: Less than 1% of our readers donate enough to keep Wikipedia running. Your contribution counts! I read this as shame on you, users who use Wikipedia without paying for its costs!. Criminalising our users is really abusive. Sadly, this latest violation of the Wikimedia mission is a logical consequence of the incorrect ideological premises the WMF is run on. I've expanded the essay on the topic: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_of_the_reader#The_burden_of_the_reader Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons
geni, 15/12/2014 09:54: Not in the way that I mean. WMUK is a contact for wikipedia (and other wikimedia projects). I've seen little evidence of it being a contact for people less sure about where they want to go. Sounds like a problem specific to WMUK then, which you should discuss with them. Most chapters I know more closely don't have such a problem. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons
Strainu, 15/12/2014 13:06: Online editing for images is an obvious first step, but we know there are already basic online video editing functions (youtube) so even if it takes a while, this should be a target for the engineering team. Does anyone know if there are any bugs on the subject? Several. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40271 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T56221 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to fix Commons
geni, 14/12/2014 09:13: if we can turn the chapters into respected points of contact which GLAMs Is there any evidence to think they aren't? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism
Steven Walling, 11/12/2014 17:40: I just noticed Really? The day after tomorrow is the 12th birthday of https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avoid_copyright_paranoiaoldid=649 ! Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] MoodBar usage
Amir E. Aharoni, 09/12/2014 17:10: If anybody in the above projects thinks that the MoodBar is useful then it should probably stay enabled, and maybe even revived and installed on other projects. But if the feedback left by new users through this tool is not actually read and handled, then it should probably be disabled. This has already been investigated and documented as part of our routine configuration cleanup. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MoodBar#2013 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community Ireland as a Wikimedia User Group
Sweet. Carlos M. Colina, 09/12/2014 22:39: 2: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_Ireland Which mentions Gaeilge, but not the geography. Is Northern Ireland included, or is geography irrelevant for the group? :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising in the Netherlands; informing the donors
Gerard Meijssen, 07/12/2014 13:11: At the time I learned that there is the possibility of an European tax status. I do remember that it took several years of financial statements. This is something we can easily provide We already do: that's what local chapters are for. WMF is not based in EU and requiring EU seat is not unlawful. That said, if WMF wants to apply for fiscal benefits in more EU countries, I'm sure many of us can help pro bono. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF November 2014 Metrics Activities Meeting: Thursday, December 4, 19:00 UTC
Salvador A, 05/12/2014 08:05: From your answer to Scott I read that those are only statistics from enwiki, do you know if the same happened in eswiki or, conversely, eswiki grow the number of views? In the last case I could assume that we are converting English readers into Spanish readers and it might be taken as a normal migration. Although in the first case I would be worried because we are loosing those readers definitely and it would be needed adjust some strategies in our country. https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportPageViewsPerCountryTrends.htm#Mexico answers this question, unless the multi-year trend changed in 2014. With some digging in the nearby pages and archives you can probably see the data for 2014 as well. (With all the usual disclaimers on those reports.) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
phoebe ayers, 04/12/2014 23:20: Given all this context, in our meeting the board discussed whether we should try to raise more money now to build our long-term reserves There is so much to say about this let's milk the cow before it's too old approach that it's definitely out of scope for this thread. When are minutes going to be published, so that an informed discussion can happen? Individual readers see many fewer banner impressions now than they used to. Do you have data? If yes please share, because fundraising team doesn't seem to have it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report phoebe ayers, 05/12/2014 00:49: Yes, the banners are in your face, and I'm OK with that, given that it's a quick campaign and as always one click makes them go away (forever, I think). One week, actually. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/177278/ Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would help. Why December? Fundraising banners are up all year long. Due to the banners, there are concerned citizens who literally stop me while I walk in Milan to ask me what's going on, pretty much any time. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly
The merciless was used in the standardised messages decided by referendum in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update#Proposed_terms_of_use It got lost in the implementation in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation#Terms_for_edit_screen And then the message was removed without many ceremonies in 2012: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T44491 That said, many wikis (and sometimes even the WMF) edit or replace the global messaging (wikimedia-copyrightwarning and formerly also wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary) in ways which don't comply with global consensus. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
svetlana, 03/12/2014 23:20:
It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking
to the Fundraising Team.
{{citation needed}}
Go look at the number of people who tried on fundraiser@,
m:Talk:Fundraising* and fundraising@ (well, this one you can't; it was
shut down because it was too lively).
Nemo
P.s.: Besides, talking to is not the problem, the problem is talking
with.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational effectiveness tool (for Wikimedia organizations)
Why does the questionnaire seemingly exclude the WMF? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organizational_effectiveness/Tool/User_guide#Preparing_to_Take_the_Organizational_Effectiveness_Questionnaire If the WMF is one other organized group in the sentence A Wikimedia chapter, user group, thematic organization or other organized group, that would be nice to spell out. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.
Several great comebacks here! Thanks Tim and everyone for this new 2 years commitment. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WHO interested in evidence on the impact of CC licensing
Not what you asked, but UNESCO's recent leaflet is rather nice and has a dozen pages on impact. http://www.unesco.de/fileadmin/medien/Dokumente/Kommunikation/Open_Content_A_Practical_Guide_to_Using_Open_Content_Licences_web.pdf James Heilman, 02/12/2014 21:20: We would welcome sharing with us some evidence-based research on how licensing works under the Creative Commons attribution licence has made an impact in the area of scientific, technical and medical publishing. What sort of impact? Even the most negative found an impact on citations http://ssrn.com/abstract=2269040 but am.ascb.org/dora/ Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Tim Landscheidt, 01/12/2014 04:22: Also, I'm no expert on EU regulations, but I do observe that according to the European Payments Council, it seems payees receiving SEPA credit transfers are advised to communicate the IBAN only where necessary: http://www.europeanpaymentscouncil.eu/index.cfm/sepa-credit-transfer/iban-and-bic/ (and likewise for payers making direct debit payments). That text and Regulation 260/2012 it refers to use only where necessary to refer to the publication of the*BIC* as it is only necessary for routing in the transition period that ends February 1st, 2016 at the latest. Besides, «Note: the European Payments Council (EPC), representing the European banking industry in relation to payments, is not a European Union (EU) legislative body». Michael Snow, 01/12/2014 03:59: I'm not sure why you would conclude they are unaware of a possible form for fraud just because they don't specifically identify it on their website. Because part of the ECB mandate is to identify, combat and educate about payment systems risks. There are dozens of watchdogs ensuring they actually do (the biggest might be BEUC). If WMF, with its certainly outstanding computer security knowledge, identified security risks which ECB is not forthcoming about, I'd expect WMF to communicate with ECB, and if necessary partner with consumerist associations, so that such risks are communicated to 516 millions SEPA area citizens. Risker, 01/12/2014 06:31: Banks in Canada regularly call their customers for transactions under $5 because fraud is so common - and that is with chip cards and PINs. And what does this tell us about EU/SEPA banking system? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality
This comparison is quite useful and got rather popular: «For all the arcana in telecommunications law, there is a really simple way of thinking of the debate over net neutrality: Is access to the Internet more like access to electricity, or more like cable television service?». http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/upshot/a-super-simple-way-to-understand-the-net-neutrality-debate.html Tim Starling, 01/12/2014 05:21: But the pipes are fundamentally not dumb -- there is a complex arrangement of transit prices and peering, and the companies that built transoceanic links want to recoup their investment. I doubt the worldwide internet backbone is (significantly) more complex or expensive than the electricity grid. What you are saying is that you want the ISPs to provide the necessary cross-subsidies so that the pipes will appear to be dumb, to the end user. Opinions on this vary. Historically, for instance, electricity grids have been rather fragmented and have been unified only with strong regulations or nationalisations. Only now regulators are seriously taking care of supranational grids. Certainly we don't want to go backwards, because it usually takes decades to progress. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 01:03: One avenue for fraud that's facilitated by posting account numbers is small payment fraud, usually involving stolen credit cards. [.] So what all this message have to do with IBAN? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Michael Snow, 30/11/2014 19:40: As the rest of the message discussed, the fraudsters can use the IBAN to make a donation in order to test that stolen card information belongs to a real credit card. Are you sure you know what an IBAN is? Anyway, please inform the European Central Bank of your findings, I'm sure they'll be interested in hearing them. Currently their website seems unaware of such fraud possibilities and contains statements such as «Sensitive data payment: Data which could be used to carry out fraud, excluding the name of the account owner and the account number». https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/other/pubconsultationoutcome201405securitypaymentaccountaccessservicesen.pdf Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimenting on Wikimedians
David Gerard, 19/11/2014 13:12: The increase in efficiency through the banner campaign has been truly remarkable! Are you able to provide data for any of these claims? If you take a moment to do the obvious thing and look on Meta, specifically at the obvious page ([[Fundraising]]), you'll see links to that exact thing. I've read that page several times and I'm unable to provide the data you claim it contains. I've asked data 20 months ago and it's not been provided yet. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report Neom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up
pajz, 23/11/2014 18:07: while, as I said, I have no particular interest in defending WMDE and have not even read their proposal, let me say that I would find that a preposterous measure of success/failure. You can't just look at a time series of the number of editors and say good trend - congrats, chapter / bad trend - oh, guess the chapter did a bad job. What tells you that if a project is experiencing a 10% decline of its editor base from year 1 to year 2 that it wouldn't have lost 20% without the chapter's activities? Indeed; blaming WMDE for the number of editors in de.wiki is less ridiculous than asking immediate disbanding of WMF for the editor decline. Back to serious numbers: https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryDE.htm If you check the graphs for active editors and desktop page views, the two lines are curiously parallel. Coincidence? Yes, several of the biggest Wikipedias are quickly rushing to their death in few years; nobody is doing anything. Cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_sudden_decline_of_Italian_Wikipedia Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up
Gerard Meijssen, 23/11/2014 08:27: I am really surprised how little attention this is getting. It seems to me that there isn't much to say; I see political decisions, they are what they are. One of them is detail detail detail; while WMF can just throw a slogan on paper and get millions for it. Another is that they know how to e.g. select/replace an ED, or even write bylaws (!), better than the bodies legally entrusted with those duties. Finally, I see hostility towards attempts at technological decentralisation (e.g. Kiwix). But here I hope I'm mistaken. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?
Moreover, because fundraising reports are now so stingy, we can't even know the (per-country) effects of such decisions (cc fundraiser@), hence public accountability is impossible. * https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Fundraising/2013-14_Reportdiff=10307365oldid=10265366 * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report#Totals_by_country Nemo Lodewijk, 17/11/2014 20:28: A while back now, the chapters were no longer allowed to fundraise, because the Wikimedia Foundation argued they would be better able to do this. At the time, this sounded somewhat reasonable. However, since then, there have been some disturbing developments - at least for Dutch donors. No longer it is possible to pay electronically (iDEAL, one of the most common methods is no longer supported - 'electronic banking' simply refers you back to the credit card page) or even via regular bank transfer (using an IBAN) in the Netherlands. The donation page https://donate.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:FundraiserLandingPagecountry=NLuselang=enutm_medium=spontaneousutm_source=fr-redirutm_campaign=spontaneous only allows credit card and paypal, and the 'other ways to give' simply sends you to the helpdesk if you want to make a bank transfer payment. What is the reasoning behind this? Have bank transfers become a legal swamp? Are there statistics suggesting that this method was no longer required by donors? Did the European bank account somehow get temporarily suspended? If it has become so hard to donate, maybe it makes more sense to send the donors to the local chapter pages where they can actually donate in the local suitable methods (in this case, Wikimedia Netherlands offers both iDEAL and IBAN http://www.wikimedia.nl/pagina/doneren-aan-wikimedia-nederland). One of the Dutch OTRS team members asked for elaboration, but didn't quite get a satisfying answer. I hope this is a temporary situation, and that this threshold will be removed again. It would be sad if we go through all kind of trouble to enable long tail methods like bitcoin, but skip bank transfer... Best, ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
Dorożyński Janusz, 14/11/2014 14:59: Really, we want help and we can help, especially locals, i.e. Russian folks. Too late? It seems the Russian government immediately seized the opportunity of a weaker position of Wikipedia in the public opinion. (You probably already saw, but anyway.) http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/us-russia-wikipedia-alternative-idINKCN0IY1YT20141114 They have a habit of sanctions and counter-sanctions by now... Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48: We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked when user is from Russia: http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc237184.png Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by clicking the Russia link in https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try sending a wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a PayPal donation? Nemo P.s.: ROTFLOL Please email don...@wikimedia.org for more information on how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation. In case someone forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Rise and Decline of an Open Collaboration Community: How Wikipedia's reaction to sudden popularity is causing its decline
Kim Bruning, 12/11/2014 19:40: I found this document/research paper on wikipedia user retention; FWIW http://www-users.cs.umn.edu/~halfak/publications/The_Rise_and_Decline/ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/63549/focus=63576 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: International Survivors of Suicide Loss Day is November 22, 2014
There are events in many countries: http://www.survivorday.org/international-survivor-day-events/ (I know the list is not complete because Milan is missing). As a followup to https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-January/123598.html given https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q302817 et al.: if you're close to an affected family/friend, please let them know there are people like them who can really help. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wayback machine
John, 03/11/2014 22:54: Does anyone have contact information for the wayback machine? I am trying to improve one of my tools for wikipedia, and am wondering if we can get a minor change/feature request implemented. Usually I recommend: * #internetarchive on EFNet for quick sanity check, * the forum for generic or lenghty/complex stuff https://archive.org/details/web#forum (you can see Jeff is active here), * the issue tracker for self-contained issues (of all websites). https://webarchive.jira.com/browse/HER Of course, read the FAQ first. https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#The_Wayback_Machine Nemo P.s.: Everyone give a look, https://archive.org/index.php?ui3=1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimenting on Wikimedians
An interesting piece of corporate communication on the topic was http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/we-experiment-on-human-beings/ I've expanded the Meta-Wiki page a bit, including the following additions: * They number in the dozens and are usually documented in the Meta-Wiki [[Research]] namespace. * Their outcome is often not used for any concrete deliverable, such as a merged change to MediaWiki core PHP code or a peer reviewed paper. * Sometimes changes which are known to be potentially harmful, and would never (or hardly) pass standard code review, are deployed as experiments to bypass tougher public scrutiny. (This is also valid of fundraising banners, whose poor translations since 2011 are often actively damaging to the public opinion and understanding of Wikimedia projects.) Nemo P.s.: MZMcBride, 31/10/2014 04:13: Of course the stark reality is that A/B testing on users (typically readers, not editors) during the annual Wikimedia Foundation fundraiser has been a major component of the Wikimedia Foundation's growth. In part that's a myth. The income has been increased simply by making the banners larger, brighter, naughtier and alarming (we're in danger, bla bla). Sometimes they take more space than is left to the article; sometimes they can't be dismissed. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] thank vs. like
Amir E. Aharoni, 26/10/2014 20:45: In the Hebrew Wikipedia there's a discussion about the Thanks feature, which raises the following confusion among other things: Why does the person who is sending the thank-you gets a message saying $1 was notified that you liked his/her edit., and the person who receives the thank-you notification sees a message that uses the verb thank? The difference is in the original message in English, and I translated them accordingly, but I am wondering: Is this really good? Maybe both should use the same verb - thank? According to requirements, probably yes. I can just send a Gerrit patch or open a bug, but it may be worth to discuss it a bit on the wide community level and not only with tech people I assume you read https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49087#c25 (and the rest of the bug)? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling
MZMcBride, 25/10/2014 16:16: But again, the focus would be integrating into the Wikimedia technical platform and fixing issues in production, rather than trying to make Labs scripts and tools better. False dichotomy IMHO. Usual example:* https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/42259 Quite clearly WMF's responsibility to make it possible, but all the interfaces and value are in consumers/tools. Nemo (*) Yes, I know https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view is being worked on. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor
quiddity, 25/10/2014 20:26: We don't have HTML preview, which might be interesting. Surely it's possible to whip up a userscript for it, if anyone would actually find it massively useful. (Or, we can just leave the browser's own Web Developer bar open to see the HTML. ctrl-f is our friend.) Are you sure we don't? Well, last time I used livepreview was probably 2007 or so, but it's still in preferences. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/special:search/livepreview also not very useful. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising reports after 2011
Lisa Gruwell, 06/10/2014 02:44: Thanks for the timely question! We are actually just double checking the numbers in our FY 2013-14 Fundraising Report right now. We are aiming to publish it toward the end of the week. Thanks. This didn't answer any of the 2012 questions though. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising/2013-14_Report https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014
Pine W, 15/10/2014 09:56: Hi Risker, I am speaking of all of them, and I suppose our mission also, although in ways that are broadly interpreted. For example, as an organization that values freedom and transparency, and is for the purpose of public education for the benefit of all people, I feel that we should avoid investing in organizations or governments that 1. likely tolerate or profit from sweatshop labor, 2. contribute notably to environmental hazards that may harm people, 3. contribute to the repression freedom of expression, 4. conceal government-authorized unethical activities from the public, 5. have significant or consistent problems with corruption or fraud. Considering your list would force even the abandonment of USA treasury bonds (points 2 and 4), I suggest that you need a stricter definition to start with. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014
Garfield Byrd, 13/10/2014 19:56: The June 30, 2014 audit of the Wikimedia Foundation and accompanying QA have now been posted and can be found on the Wikimedia Foundation Financial reports page. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Financial_reports Please contact me with any questions. Thanks, I did so at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#2013.E2.80.932014_financial_statements 18 2013–2014 financial statements 18.1 Copyediting 18.2 Minutiae 18.3 Travel expenses 18.4 Investment income 18.5 Restricted donations Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [AffCom] Quarterly goals for WMF Legal
Pine W, 11/10/2014 22:05: 4. We in Cascadia Wikimedians (and I imagine other thematic organizations) have our own timelines that we need to deal with, and needing to wait indefinitely for Affcom and Legal to make decisions [...] a) Be aware it's impossible to understant what you're talking about. [[Cascadian Wikimedians]] states you are already a user group and I see a row in https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters#Chapters_in_discussion_phase , so I guess you're talking of recognition as a chapter. However, given that you don't seem to be keeping your row in this table up to date, I'm having difficulties understand. makes planning difficult on our end. Also, we are losing organizational momentum while we wait. Momentum is important for the creation of organizations, and possibly for their survival. It would be a disappointment to have groups such as ours lose volunteer interest and partnership opportunities because of delays such as those that we are experiencing. b) All very true. however, assuming guess (a) is correct, let me remind the WMF board has established that becoming a chapter must now be at very least a 2 years marathon. I suggest that you don't hold your breath and keep plenty of water reserves, otherwise rather than exhaustion you'll risk collapses and heart attacks. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections
Itzik - Wikimedia Israel, 07/10/2014 09:50: I hope next year election committee will take it in consideration. Why hope? Just create the rules page on Meta with the amended criteria which just found consensus. They can then be worked on from there. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2016 - Jury Announcement and Start of Bidding
Fæ, 10/10/2014 16:44: [...] a WMF employee make community decisions for us (such as appointing the Jury [...] I've not inspected the facts in detail, but as far as I could understand this is NOT what happened, so it's a bit annoying to hear you repeat it continuously. I added a summary to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_jury some days ago and I encourage everyone to edit it (with references, where controversial). I'm sure it will be easier to discuss productively once we've agreed upon the essential facts. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bug day: Book tool/Collection/PDF, 2014-10-08, 14–22 UTC
We start in 30 min from now :) Federico Leva (Nemo), 29/09/2014 19:51: Hello, Please join us on the next Wikimedia bug day: **2014-10-08, 14:00–22:00 UTC** [1] in #wikimedia-tech on Freenode IRC.[2] We will be triaging bug reports for the Collection extension (Book tool) in general and PDF export in particular, which were just switched to a new backend (OCG).[3] We have two immediate goals: 1) recover 100 % of the relevant reports from the defunct PediaPress tracker;[4] 2) get a clean list of known PDF issues that the new backend didn't fix. Everyone is welcome to join any time these weeks, and no technical knowledge is needed! It's an easy way to get involved or to give something back. We encourage you to record your activity on the etherpad [4]. This information and more can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/201410 For more information on triaging in general, check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage I look forward to seeing you there. Please distribute further by email, talk pages etc. (Collection is used on almost 2 thousands wikis!) Sorry for the crossposting, Nemo [1] Timezone converter: http://everytimezone.com/#2014-10-08,120,5x1 [2] See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC for more info on IRC chat [3] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-July/077867.html [4] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-Collection ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Nobel Peace Prize announcement and editathon
Will they release their own biographies under a free license to ease article expansion? :) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bug day: Book tool/Collection/PDF, 2014-10-08, 14–22 UTC
And it's over! We reached our immediate goal, closing all the lost PediaPress tickets (80 before the bug day); and about 40 new bugzilla reports were filed, including some tricky ones about language support. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/201410 has a dump from the etherpad and will be updated with more precise information. Give a look at the bugzilla reports! Thanks to all the participants: Andre Klapper, Anomie, Azitrex, bawolff, Helder, John Vandenberg, Kelson, Nemo, Raymond, Reedy, Rupert, saper, Steinsplitter, csteipp, ebraminio, jem, josu, kepper, valhallasw`cloud. (And probably someone else in bugzilla at the same time.) Nemo Federico Leva (Nemo), 08/10/2014 15:33: We start in 30 min from now :) Federico Leva (Nemo), 29/09/2014 19:51: Hello, Please join us on the next Wikimedia bug day: **2014-10-08, 14:00–22:00 UTC** [1] in #wikimedia-tech on Freenode IRC.[2] We will be triaging bug reports for the Collection extension (Book tool) in general and PDF export in particular, which were just switched to a new backend (OCG).[3] We have two immediate goals: 1) recover 100 % of the relevant reports from the defunct PediaPress tracker;[4] 2) get a clean list of known PDF issues that the new backend didn't fix. Everyone is welcome to join any time these weeks, and no technical knowledge is needed! It's an easy way to get involved or to give something back. We encourage you to record your activity on the etherpad [4]. This information and more can be found here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage/201410 For more information on triaging in general, check out https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Triage I look forward to seeing you there. Please distribute further by email, talk pages etc. (Collection is used on almost 2 thousands wikis!) Sorry for the crossposting, Nemo [1] Timezone converter: http://everytimezone.com/#2014-10-08,120,5x1 [2] See http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC for more info on IRC chat [3] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-July/077867.html [4] https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-Collection ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections
The title should be WMF Board of Trustee elections. Itzik - Wikimedia Israel, 05/10/2014 09:40: For example, last elections there were 1809 valid votes. And this is the issue we should be talking about: the ~99.5 % abstention rate.* By comparison, the number of WMF staff this days is 218, what makes there voting power 12% of the total voters last year. This consider to be a great amount of power when we are talking about elections (In the last election you would have around 650 votes in order to be elected...) Did you check how many actually voted? Wikimedia thematic organizations staff and contractors for example don't have the same privilege to vote only because they are employees of the movement, only if they are editors as well. The question - what make the WMF staff different, and if this is not a little bit problematic that the staff have such power to decide on their direct board, but in general - the board of the whole movement. This unequality must indeed be rectified. It's not hard to do so. 1) Just remove the WMF staffers exception: after it was introduced, requirements have been greatly reduced and most staffers have at least one merged patch or 300 edits. There could be some minor discrimination for some administrative staff. 2) Extend it to any Wikimedia affiliates. This could cause some minor inequality in what different affiliates consider staff. Mostly, there would be some administrative overhead; but it's trivial to fix with standard electoral methods: publish the electors list beforehand and let interested voters report errors. I wouldn't spend too much time discussing this topic, flipping a coin to pick either option is fine. :-) Nemo (*) No official numbers exist... but I already opened one thread on transparency this week. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Fundraising reports after 2011
Since 2012 it's almost impossible to get information about the WMF fundraising... Does someone have insight in how WMF could be made again interested in fundraising transparency? Poking doesn't help. For instance: me, Perohanych and Mike Peel have been waiting 16 months for two simple and crucial pieces of information: how many times the fundraising banners have been displayed; what are the totals raised per country. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2012/Report Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] translation by importing articles
Amir E. Aharoni, 04/10/2014 15:09: Is it a usual practice in the German Wikipedia? Yes. What is the reason for it? GFDL Is there a policy page about it? Probably in the neighbourhood of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Importw%C3%BCnsche Are there are Wikipedia projects that do this? No, only German projects. The list of projects which make special use of import is at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Importer Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering
Lila Tretikov, 29/09/2014 19:38: We are excited to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation now has a Vice President of Engineering. Damon Sicore will be filling this vital role. Nice to see this long story reach an end. Welcome, Damon. It will be interesting to see the experience from previous friend orgs merge into ours. Will we also soon get to know what this role is actually going to do? :) I still have the same questions: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/62910/focus=62937 (98 weeks old, gmane helpfully calculates). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations
Erik Moeller, 17/04/2014 19:21: Yes, this is part of the reason why I'm considering a donation to them - they're definitely in start-up mode, and we want them to survive. We can continue to handle these kinds of gifts as a very rare, discretionary thing for now (and I may want to move forward with MariaDB because a) they asked, b) they need support, c) we need them to survive), What happened in the end? Nemo and focusing (per other comments in this thread) more on how we can build systems around grants for tools that directly support content contributors. Erik ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM
Samuel Klein, 22/09/2014 01:05: Ori and all: this is really fantastic. Thank you. I'm seeing 2+ second speedups (on 6+s loads :/ ) on longish pages such as And saving a null edit to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos went from 90+ seconds to ~30 for me I think? :p Rand, seconding some of your ideas: I would welcome a brief status table showing development-stage and one-line status for each activity, with a link to details. For the detail pages: The status-history that most activities have is handy. A roadmap + timeline are great where they exist, but can fall out of date when updated manually. Perhaps this could be transcluded from an overall roadmap that is defined as the most up-to-date plan of record. An overall priority list 'what is needed next' would also help readers contributors testers understand what to prepare for and how to help. Also related: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Thread:Talk:Quality_Assurance/new_tools_(moztrap%3F) Nemo For instance with SUL finalization and other activities that involve a lot of coordination and communication and cleanup. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM
Rand McRanderson, 20/09/2014 21:32: Here is one idea. A dashboard of top level Wikimedia projects https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering with statuses, estimates, and a key to terms. Or does this exist? No: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Engineering#Identifying_when_it.27s_too_late Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Brasil] Jessie's IDEO adventure
Jessie Wild, 19/09/2014 00:35: One point of clarification: I'll actually be working with IDEO.org http://ideo.org/, which is a spin-off of IDEO (and yes, Jane, that is the Wikipedia article for IDEO) It is a separate organization focused on partnering with people in need to design paths out of poverty. Oh, interesting, a sort of generalisation of microcredit (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q653953 ) programs? If the experience from Wikimedia is able to make a difference there, we'll hear about it for long. Keep us informed. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 11:12: These opinions are relevant, but the way they are presented in the watchlist is unhelpful and I feel that it wastes my time. If the reason is so trivial (on it.wiki it's certainly more complex than that), sounds like something that subpagination and/or RSS feeds can solve. Can you describe exactly what you'd like to follow and how your time is currently wasted? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 13:12: The English Wikipedia uses it for Articles for Deletion (AfD) and for a lot of other things. I tried to follow AfD for some time, and I had similar issues. Issues which you still haven't described. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 14:25: Seeing notifications about articles in the same watchlist with these notifications is already an issue. There's a namespace selector. I select ns0 + talk when I'm in editing mode and invert that when I'm not. Seeing only the last support or oppose notification, and having to go to the page to see the current state of affairs (yes, I know it's not a vote). You can load the last revision of the page via RSS/Atom, if that's what you want. The alternative would be to set watchlist to show all changes and not just the last one, but then it would show one row per change or a group of rows per page, and that would make it even more cluttered. That never looked cluttered to me. :) Seeing the adding of new pages, archival of old discussions and discussions of pages in the same way. Archival I don't want to see at all. Use a bot, ask them to mark edits minor? The action of adding a page and making a comment about a page should look different, but in the current watchlist they are the same. Subpagination does help with this because you can filter new page creations. All the problems you mentioned I consider solved since about 2006 on it.wiki, modernise your practices. ;) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions
Marc A. Pelletier, 15/09/2014 15:07: On 09/15/2014 09:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: All the problems you mentioned I consider solved since about 2006 on it.wiki, modernise your practices. ... isn't that what Flow is trying to do? By making me and Amir talk of how to use wiki pages, you mean? ;-) Maybe; I've not seen much of that and it would be very useful if editors started collecting user stories likes his and exchanging practices on how to manage them. I expect half of what would come up to be problems with Watchlist and RecentChanges, applying to any namespace and only made worse by the repeated attempt to take stuff out of them. Those are THE central engines of any wiki and I've only seen cosmetic actions around them, except the work of a handful volunteer heros like Hoo and MatmaRex (and sometimes the Wikidata team). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upload Wizard work (was Re: Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments)
Erik Moeller, 06/09/2014 08:44: - The multimedia dev team has spent a fair bit of time doing some initial UploadWizard refactoring and code cleanup. We've also contracted Neil Kandalgaonkar, the original UploadWizard developer (who left WMF a while ago), to help out a bit and provide some history on the project. - In addition, the dev team has focused a fair bit on improved instrumentation (measurement of user actions, success/failures), both for Media Viewer and Upload Wizard. It was a very nice surprise to see NeilK again, indeed. As for the UploadWizard plans, there wasn't a single comment from the community in the last several months, so I left some at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Upload_Wizard_feedback#WMF_plans_for_2014-15 and I hope/pray more Commons users will bother to add theirs. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist
MZMcBride, 24/08/2014 23:57: Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: First, let's make one thing clear: the reader doesn't exist; it's just a rhetorical trick, and a very dangerous one. For more: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_of_the_reader This essay looks fascinating. I hope to read it soon. Heh. Why does it matter how popular we are? Does it affect donation rates? Does it affect editorship rates? I'm not sure how much of this we know. I think evidence points to an important role that (desktop) visits trends had in the editing activity trends. There are some research papers proving this locally, which I still have to reference in the page above; but I agree we need much more research to understand this globally. It's increasingly clear that much of the rest of the Internet _is_ different: it doesn't require much thought of participants, it's user-focused, and it's built on the idea of selling (to) people. This difference in how we want to treat users, as collaborators and colleagues, rather than as clients or customers, will permeate the site design and user experience and that's okay. This is closer to the point I was trying to make. The internet is different, the environment is not favourable and is probably getting worse (pageview trends may be the tip of the iceberg: a useful warning). No matter how well we try and how many good things get done which were worth doing, it's entirely possible for some things bigger than us (like worldwide shifts in consumer electronics and telecommunication) to undefeatably beat us and make the Wikimedia projects fail (e.g. 27 or 28 in http://meatballwiki.org/wiki/WikiLifeCycle ). Sure, that would not be the end of the story, because we try to get something done which will be relevant for centuries to come. But denial doesn't help anything. If the number of pageviews suddenly drops, for whatever reason, what happens next? The most likely worst case scenario seems to be a reduction in annual donations, which results in a smaller staff size (sometimes referred to as trimming the fat or optimizing). There's a lot of talk lately about the imperiled future, but we could end up with a smaller, more decentralized Wikimedia Foundation staff in what some would consider one of the least desirable outcomes. Eh. The number of WMF staff has had practically zero consequences on the success of Wikimedia projects, so I don't consider it a particularly interesting topic for this decade. I'm more interested in discussing the stuff you can't easily read on a balance sheet. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog network?
David Cuenca, 12/09/2014 14:00: However it is hard to navigate from blog to blog to discover what is going on at each chapter. There is http://www.chaptersplanet.org/ The Planet is linked from the Meta-Wiki sidebar so it certainly is the place. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them
If you don't know of a policy which gives you the right to ask something, why ask that something? Instead, ask something you know you have the right to ask; for instance, EU citizens have the right, by privacy law, to ask what PII an entity has about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them
I'd worry about that only after a rejection. :-) However, while I don't know about UK, in Italy I see several degrees of administrative recourse at the data protection authority. Here's a list: http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/bodies/authorities/eu/index_en.htm Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist
MZMcBride, I agree with you, but let me split out one thing: On 20 August 2014 04:09, MZMcBride wrote: the one complaint I _never_ hear is that Wikipedia has a readership problem. Then you'll hear it from me. First, let's make one thing clear: the reader doesn't exist; it's just a rhetorical trick, and a very dangerous one. For more: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stupidity_of_the_reader Page views, however brute a concept, exist; and I think they're telling us we do have a readership problem. For it.wiki, in the last year I see a suspiciously similar decrease in desktop pageviews and editing activity (possibly around –20 %). It would *seem* that every user converted to the mobile site is a step towards extinction of the wiki. Long story: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_sudden_decline_of_Italian_Wikipedia The page above is just a collection of pointers that I probably won't be able to pursue in the coming months, to study an unprecedented collapse of editing activity and active editors on it.wiki. However, there /are/ several things worth looking into and we do have a huge problem (or several). Can anything be done about it? I don't know. In its brief history, WMF software development has always been irrelevant for the increase of editing activity and reach. Let's hope for a counterexample. Nemo P.s.: Yes, this message is focused on one small thing only. That's just about what we are/were already doing, while most opportunities lie in what we're not doing, see the sister projects and [[strategy:List of things that need to be free]]; we like to think otherwise, but our free culture projects are still very marginal. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents
Russavia, 03/08/2014 04:26: [...] With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy had stated I know his parents house quite well. They were concerned. [...] Notifying parents was an obviously correct thing to do, thanks for caring about the elderly; whether what followed was overreaction or not I don't know, but I'm not sure that matters. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 34 TB Wikimedia Commons files on archive.org: you can help
WikiTeam[1] has released an update of the chronological archive of all Wikimedia Commons files, up to 2013. Now at ~34 TB total. https://archive.org/details/wikimediacommons I wrote to – I think – all the mirrors in the world, but apparently nobody is interested in such a mass of media apart from the Internet Archive (and the mirrorservice.org which took Kiwix). The solution is simple: take a small bite and preserve a copy yourself. One slice only takes one click, from your browser to your torrent client, and typically 20-40 GB on your disk (biggest slice 1400 GB, smallest 216 MB). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/Wikipedia_Archive#Image_tarballs Nemo P.s.: Please help spread the word everywhere. [1] https://github.com/WikiTeam/wikiteam ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia community. For more information about Wikimedia-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l ___ WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives
Was this paid-by-proxy contribution accompanied by disclosure? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Catching copy and pasting early
This has nothing to do with wiki-research-l, it's mostly about who can pay for the API keys. https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Web_search Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey
Thanks. All questions were generic and about Wikipedia, so I answered with the Italian Wikipedia in mind. Also note that it.wiki is perhaps the only wiki which switched deletions from voting to non-voting: the experiment was already done, you only need to measure and interpret it. :-) See http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-January/123334.html I had problems with two questions: * Are you concerned that somebody would change or remove your rationale? Please choose the most applicable response. This question assumes that removing a comment is bad; I would have answered Yes when appropriate per law or policy but there was no such option. * Do you read the rationales in the discussion before making the final decision? This assumes that this is just a matter of personal taste; sometimes policy and process requires it, sometimes not. (For instance in the classic it.wiki deletion process, but certainly also in some specific sub-process triggers on en.wiki and others.) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey
David Gerard, 16/07/2014 13:34: I would suggest that it doesn't become not a vote merely by not calling it a vote. I note all the closes that count !votes and how the not-voting pattern on a given AFD is frequently brought up at DRV. Sure, but calling it a vote makes it a vote. If it's explicitly a vote by policy, then there won't be such complaints. :-) AFAIK deletion has never been a vote by policy on en.wiki. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2014-15 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation
Tilman Bayer, 08/07/2014 05:32: the Wikimedia Foundation's 2014-15 Annual Plan has just been published at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2014-15_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan.pdf accompanied by a QA: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2014-2015_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers Thanks. I've added some notes to our canonical location https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#2014-15 Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
