Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2019-01-04 Thread FRED BAUDER
An executive summary is common at the head of many reports and articles. Only sections in the body of the article would be cited. Somewhat like a lede but more detailed. The main body of the article would still have a lede. Fred Bauder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

2018-06-27 Thread FRED BAUDER
It is legal. It limits > liability by notifying users of various realities, such as, we cannot, and > do not, guarantee reliability, so use at your own risk. > > Fred Bauder > > - Original Message - > From: Amir E. Aharoni > To: wikimedia-l > Sent: Wed, 27

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

2018-06-27 Thread FRED BAUDER
liability by notifying users of various realities, such as, we cannot, and do not, guarantee reliability, so use at your own risk. Fred Bauder - Original Message - From: Amir E. Aharoni To: wikimedia-l Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-14 Thread FRED BAUDER
Very good. If any willing editor runs into trouble or is made to feel unwelcome or subjected to unfair criticism, that is the time to intervene. We are however not in a position to discourage women or minority editors from "recruiting" or encouraging other minority editors or women to edit. Any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
dary sources, I believe? Paulo 2018-05-12 13:48 GMT+01:00 FRED BAUDER <fredb...@fairpoint.net>: > Autobiographical writing published by the mainstream press with editors > and fact checkers is more reliable. > > Fred > > - Original Message - > From: Paulo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
in Wikipedia is that the confuse definition of primary source often leads to such egregious situations as some newspaper saying what the director of an institution is, is prefered to the very institution correcting the name. I've seen this over and over. Paulo 2018-05-12 13:45 GMT+01:00 FRED B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
rces as well, but generally not subjected to any review. There should be some way to distinguish between the two types. Paulo 2018-05-12 13:40 GMT+01:00 FRED BAUDER <fredb...@fairpoint.net>: > And should be used, just as an image of a headstone can be used, in > preference to some writing abo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
l.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this a while ago, an investigation on gender bias > where > > a > > > > > member > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
t; > > > is > > > > > > do > > > > > > > we really want to take that leap, do we really want to share > the > > > sum > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > knowledge, do we want t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
.springeropen.com/articles/10. > > > > > > 1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4 > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many things that can be addressed individually and as a > > > > > movement > > > > > > or co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread FRED BAUDER
Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > El jue., may. 10, 2018 10:27, Peter Southwood < > > > > > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > Notabil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread FRED BAUDER
t on our personal >>>> impressions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> El jue., may. 10, 2018 10:27, Peter Southwood < >>>>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread FRED BAUDER
t; > projects may work around this problem, but would then probably not > be > > > > open > > > > > for anyone to edit. Or can you suggest another way? > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread FRED BAUDER
Lucille B. Buchanan might make an article: http://www.blackpast.org/aaw/jones-lucy-lucile-berkeley-buchanan-1884-1989 Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread FRED BAUDER
> Cheers, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > On > > > > Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland > > > > Sent: 10 May 2018 15:01 > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread FRED BAUDER
- Original Message - From: Jane Darnell To: Wikimedia Mailing List Sent: Thu, 10 May 2018 04:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems ...because of our rules regarding references. Oddly,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread FRED BAUDER
Women editors might have something to add about nursing and the history of nursing that adds gender-specific value, increasing our coverage of the subject. So a workshop at a nursing convention might be valuable. Fred - Original Message - From: Amir E. Aharoni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread FRED BAUDER
with getting up to speed on gender or whatever. Fred Bauder - Original Message - From: Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> To: Wikimedia <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Wikimedia Gendergap mailing list <gender...@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Mon, 07 May 2018 0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

2017-09-26 Thread FRED BAUDER
We should sue Billy the Kid while we are at it. And Hitler... Imagine the bragging he does down in Hell. Fred - Original Message - From: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-17 Thread FRED BAUDER
I think we could hire professional fact checkers and target articles that have gotten off track. I don't think a great deal of money would be necessary to set an example, and illustrate some of our notorious problems. In general more money, however, draws flies even better than shit. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-15 Thread FRED BAUDER
with 100% beef with no preservatives, no fillers and is topped with daily sliced tomatoes and onions, fresh lettuce, pickles, ketchup and mayo, served on a soft sesame seed bun." happens to be factually true and cannot be said of the products of, say, McDonalds where the "fixings" arr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread FRED BAUDER
to function because the procedure is too cumbersome and punishing. Which is why certain matters have gradually shifted to staff who can make quick decisions and have clear authority to do so. Some things are done by, or at the direction of, the legal department, for example. Fred Bauder On Sat, 18 Feb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-05 Thread FRED BAUDER
A blanket ban sweeps in possible contributors and potential employees. A well-crafted policy, properly administered, generally, would not. Fred Bauder On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 04:15:33 -0500 Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: When and how the Wikimedia Foundation should associate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-04 Thread FRED BAUDER
On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:35:30 +0100 Yaroslav Blanter wrote: Well, there were speakers who were not able to attend Wikimanias in Haifa and Cairo, to start with, because of similar bans, and the general response then was "Whatever place we choose, someone is always

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread FRED BAUDER
of free speech means in practice. Fred Bauder ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

2016-11-02 Thread FRED BAUDER
after people have recovered from the election. How about...reminding me two weeks from today. I might've recovered by then, seriously... Thanks! Craig Newmark founder, craigslist On Nov 2, 2016 12:44 PM, "FRED BAUDER" <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: Craig, I don't exp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

2016-11-02 Thread FRED BAUDER
Craig, I don't expect you to do anything about it, but Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 has been so much an object of political editing by Clinton supporters that it looks more like an ad for Hillary than a Wikipedia article. Fred Bauder On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:43:32 -0400 Craig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

2016-06-26 Thread FRED BAUDER
is one of the meanings of "Ignore all rules:" Assume the rules are reasonable and edit. Fred Bauder ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Harvard Law Library Readies Trove of Decisions for Digital Age"

2015-10-29 Thread FRED BAUDER
if we can use it. Fred Bauder On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:24:01 -0400 "FRED BAUDER" <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: I have started the article Ravel Law on en. Basic access is free to the public; however, we could ask for "professional" access which is offered free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread FRED BAUDER
Video is not necessary. Fred On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:42:34 -0700 David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote: I third that! However we are entering the field of privacy, because as useful the virtual meetings can be, they might be intrusive if you are in your home and you show your whole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia community health: strategic opportunities and threats

2015-04-18 Thread FRED BAUDER
On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:27:09 -0700 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Since WMF is doing a strategy update (with which I'm not involved, but hope that the community can influence), I'm wondering what others thoughts are on Wikipedia's strategic opportunities and threats. What do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:53:47 +0530 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. Need I say anything else? I think you've hit the nail on the head. It should not be easier to dominate a player-killing MUD than to edit an article on Wikipedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
don't do the same simpler association number of speakers = potential number of contributors because that strategy will be *surely* wrong. Regards On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:56 AM, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:25:23 +0100 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: I partially disagree with this vision. Without the North American and European men there would not be any opportunity to say: we would share the sum of the human knowledge. Probably Wikimedia would not exist. True,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:29:57 +0100 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: As this thread demonstrates, what discussions about the massive gender imbalance in Wikimedia editorship need is more men discussing why it might or might not be important. /sarcasm Radical feminist notions that men

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so long as it's relevant and factual. That's the point; it would not matter if women contributed so long as it's relevant and factual. Half the humans that could contribute are not. Actually many more than half, as there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
2015 06:17 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision On 8 Jan 2015 16:11, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: ... I've noticed that women are often quite motivated and good at writing grant proposals

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread FRED BAUDER
It's a rhetorical question, but, based on experience, I would probably chime in if a similar proposal was floated about native people such as African tribes or American Indians; most hardly ever edit, even in their own language, and throwing money at the problem is unlikely to be productive.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Fred Bauder
I would prefer decency as a core value. Fred On 05/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: ... We have a reply: https://twitter.com/JulietteGarside/status/496644233580003328 @jayvdb @guardian @Wikipedia @wikisignpost We won't know unless Wikipedia chooses to make that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-05 Thread Fred Bauder
I would prefer decency as a core value. Fred On 05/08/2014, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: ... We have a reply: https://twitter.com/JulietteGarside/status/496644233580003328 @jayvdb @guardian @Wikipedia @wikisignpost We won't know unless Wikipedia chooses to make that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-04 Thread Fred Bauder
On 4 August 2014 10:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly, if/when the Foundation finds out, it should first pass the issue to the OTRS volunteers who handle BLP problems to examine. Why would that need to be dealt with by OTRS volunteers, and not the community at large? --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fred Bauder
Google's motto is Do no evil I suppose you would have ours be do all notable evil Fred Re: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/aug/02/wikipedia-page-google-link-hidden-right-to-be-forgotten If Google disappearing a Wikipedia article is a notable news event, wouldn't that meet the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Effective censorship of Wikipedia by Google

2014-08-02 Thread Fred Bauder
The title of the article above an image of Jimmy Wales, is: Wikipedia link to be hidden in Google under 'right to be forgotten' law Request for blocking of search results granted to anonymous applicant is first to affect an entry in the online encyclopaedia Fred Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-07 Thread Fred Bauder
Once the money an organization obtain from grants out matches anything they get from anywhere else they become autonomous. Community support just becomes a box to check. Fred This week's issue of the English Wikipedia Signpost delivers mildly shocking news about the opinion of a prominent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Fred Bauder
On sv:wp we are several hundreds of competent and active contributers. Many of these have limited technical competence, so it will only be about a third of these able to enter iw links in wikidata and writing a template. This still leaves a few hundreds who easily supports the other 2/3rds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rules of engagement for companies in Swedish, Norwegian, Finnish, Danish?

2013-10-21 Thread Fred Bauder
I'm not sure. Someone who posts deficient article that they obviously have a special relationship to, where the language in addition is deficient, may easily be meet by a deletion request. The difficulty with promoting a company in Wikipedia is the promotion part, not the identity of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East

2013-10-14 Thread Fred Bauder
A nationalist point of view is not neutral point of view. I can imagine what the dictator of Kazakstan considers a suitable article. Fred Yesterday Yuri, ED of WMUA (and my college in FDC) was interviewed in the main morning program on Swedish Radio re the ua.wp contra ru:wp in Ukraine and of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global East

2013-10-14 Thread Fred Bauder
the world, its coverage should be of a higher standard. The Ottoman Empire represents one of the more relevant civilisations, now consider all the countries who are considered to be less relevant... Thanks, GerardM On 14 October 2013 14:57, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-10-08 Thread Fred Bauder
I have posted 4 sentences, kind of a draft of a draft of a draft. It is very overwhelming for me to draft text with near-legal precision on my own. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) I've added a bit. I'll do some copyediting later. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-10-06 Thread Fred Bauder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2013, at 18:47, Fred Bauder wrote: I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of information from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is that the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding ourselves, after all most of us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-10-05 Thread Fred Bauder
I've been thinking about this. Wikipedia is a compilation of information from sources that are generally considered reliable. The trouble is that the information in those sources varies. Rather than deciding ourselves, after all most of us are amateurs, what the truth is, we present all the views

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-10-02 Thread Fred Bauder
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... I, for one, share your perception that NPOV is a problem on some (perhaps most) Wikipedias, asaf, could you please elaborate a little bit what you mean by this? do you not share the experience that the editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-09-17 Thread Fred Bauder
with it, but that is another discussion. However, that is why I know about it, its origin, and its settled nature. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi all, I realize Resolution:Biographies of living people[1] implies this but I fail to see any resolution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-09-17 Thread Fred Bauder
I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta sufficiently achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you stated it would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a core value. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi Neko) Yes, good idea,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-09-17 Thread Fred Bauder
I am not disputing how settled it is but I don't think meta sufficiently achieves expressing how settled this core value really is. As you stated it would be more of a restatement and re-emphasis of what already is a core value. -- とある白い猫 (To Aru Shiroi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] : WMF resolution on neutral point of view

2013-09-16 Thread Fred Bauder
Hi all, I realize Resolution:Biographies of living people[1] implies this but I fail to see any resolution that establishes neutral point of view as one of our non-negotiable values. I think there is merit in having an over-arching resolution on a Neutral Point of View policy. I also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
That was the purpose of the original arbitration committee. Finding a mentor is kind of hard nowdays as there are so many users who might help but probably will not. On the other hand, many requests I have received and looked into are from people who are making trouble themselves; sometimes very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even requests for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time research, or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't know much. Voting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
For a serious discussion to happen you will need to disclose some examples. The next step is to move beyond anecdote to see if there is a general problem. The particular incident Rui brought up has been pretty much explained, but the question remains about have a new or casual editor who commits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
folks alike, and that everybody shall be able to contribute on equal conditions, a more realistic organization to protect the users must be put in place. Regards Lars Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net An: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
Yes, that is pretty much the situation. The howls of outraged anguish from those who were not able to dictate (really bad) content or practices form the core of our organized opposition. That does not mean systemic deficiencies don't exist; just that we must look and think in a noisy environment.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
OP = original poster, Rui Sorry but I don't what/who OP is. And you still misunderstand. This is not a question about consensus over some article, it is about normal human behaviour, and that it sometimes is not there. If you haven't seen that happening I don't know where you have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
that responsibility nor that power. regards, Lars Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net An: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 18:44 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
Gardenius Von: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net An: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org CC: wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org Gesendet: 13:28 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013 Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Fred Bauder
No thank you, I do not have a dispute; you do; please follow the dispute resolution procedure. Fred Hi Tom Thanks for your contribution. However, you seem to have missed the point. So Lisa violates the 3RR principle and you lecture me. And I lodge a complaint over the 3RR and that gets

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
to observe the effect of focusing on past outrages on public morale, but that is their burden to bear not ours to share. Fred Hoi, Fred, what is different in your scenario from what happens in the USA ? Thanks, GerardM On 3 September 2013 00:23, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
that it is based in the US is incidental. Thanks, GerardM On 3 September 2013 14:36, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Any censor from the United States or European governments that works directly with us (I have no personal knowledge of this, I just know it has to be) is concerned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
I guess emergencies should not go to legal as there may be a considerable delay. Fred Are there more successful attempts? It would be difficult to enumerate successful attempts since, by definition, they would have been successful at not being known. :-) -- Marc I once suppressed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia and the politics of encryption

2013-09-03 Thread Fred Bauder
Are there more successful attempts? It would be difficult to enumerate successful attempts since, by definition, they would have been successful at not being known. :-) -- Marc I once suppressed information about a troop movement underway in Iraq after a request. Troop movements are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-21 Thread Fred Bauder
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2013 8:56 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: The account and/or underlying IP is blocked. That is the technical

[Wikimedia-l] A Survey on Science Reporting

2013-08-21 Thread Fred Bauder
If you write or add to articles based on journal articles you might complete this survey: https://lsucommunications.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_0PTVlA7OUCLqkyV Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-19 Thread Fred Bauder
http://feedly.com/k/14WeLcY I wish I was grossly misrepresenting the situation here. If I am, please do set me straight. You're not wrong, but getting the attention of a federal prosecutor would be easier for jaywalking in a National Park. It applies only to extreme situations. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

2013-08-01 Thread Fred Bauder
Dear Colleagues at the Foundation I just came across an artecle called White Africans of European ancestry. What is that even supposed to mean? Who would be any other white people if not of Europen ancestry? The Ainu people, not that it matters. Fred

[Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Fred Bauder
See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Fred Bauder
See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data the NSA has created a multi-tiered system that allows analysts to store interesting content in other databases, such as one named Pinwale which can store material for up to five years. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Fred Bauder
is this related to the foundation? On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: See attachment. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data Fred ___ Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Fred Bauder
I think it's more reasonable to assume that Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter, Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be able to do anything other than deny it, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-07-31 Thread Fred Bauder
I think it's more reasonable to assume that Wikipedia (which shares many features with Google, Yahoo, Twitter, Facebook and other social networks) has been the subject of this kind of demand than that it hasn't. No one with direct knowledge would be able to do anything other than deny it, but we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk about VisualEditor

2013-07-30 Thread Fred Bauder
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp hasn't.)

[Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new tools, rather than defending themselves from them.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
on a machine loom compares remotely with Navajo weaving. Fred On 26 July 2013 13:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Fred Bauder
On 26 July 2013 12:48, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with the new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

[Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
Resent so I have an original copy to reply to. Dear All It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on on the Wikipedia. It is equally known that there are mechanims to address these issues. But that is where the problem lies - those intent on skewing information

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
I use Flickr as an example, but is it not the firwst time that I have come across this type of behaviour. And so, tiny cliques and coteries flourish like fiefdoms in the blind spots of the mechanisms created to ensure that we all strive for the same principes. What is worse, there are big

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
A case in point, the other day I was looking for images of mosquitos sucking blood and and came across blatant pornography on Flickr. I added a few lines about pornography on Flickr and because it was reverted Rui Correia. The Flickr images you linked to, if it was you, were the sort one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
It is this that is tarnishing the name of the Wikipedia and driving away good editors. Rui Correia. When the going gets tough the tough get going. They don't throw their hands up, vainly protest, then give up. Possible conflict of interest is a legitimate concern; however, it is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
On 07/23/2013 02:03 PM, Todd Allen wrote: I don't think such a proposal would be hopeless on en. How did dewiki circumvent the difficulties regarding attribution and role accounts? Last I checked, our terms of use prohibit password sharing, and IIRC Mike Godwin (legal counsel at the time)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
Thanks Andreas Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the time the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you. But more importantly, the porn on Flickr is a secondary issue -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Fred Bauder
If you post a creative work on a website the purpose which is to share files you have assumed the rights of the owner, one of which is to determine the conditions which must be met to view or listen to the work. The owner can give his work away to the world but not third parties. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
I don't get it. I was able to use a Wikipedia link to find a place to download The Searchers, a John Ford film starring John Wayne in about 30 seconds. How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Fred Hi there, two months after the smoking cannabis controversy, the Russian Wikipedia is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it. In some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On 9 July 2013 23:46, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Well, not wanting to wade into that pirates' little helpers snarkiness, but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright violation. Maybe a bit longer if you have a slow connection. Risker True

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-09 Thread Fred Bauder
- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

2013-07-01 Thread Fred Bauder
Rick Falkvinge has been writing a book, Swarmwise, on how the Pirate Party organised. He's been posting it a chapter at a time to his blog. You know how Wikipedia/Wikimedia has (or had) the meme that voting is evil? This sets out why.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

2013-06-22 Thread Fred Bauder
or ever used or how is another matter. Fred Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

2013-06-22 Thread Fred Bauder
would be of interest to an intelligence agencies focused on actual threats. Fred Where is that question in this topic? Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-15 Thread Fred Bauder
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: PRISM From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass downloading articles from JSTOR. Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer

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