[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-27 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
All these discussions are interesting, but worthless. Because... we are 
obsolete, our money room will be larger soon, but there's no plan to go beyond 
3-4 wishlist ideas every year.

And that's the drama.

From: Bence Damokos 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 6:53 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

Still, consider that if the spoken  feature is exposed to all users, it would 
raise awareness to more people when articles are not well formated for screen 
readers… And screen readers are not available in all languages, so the effort 
put into the speech synthesizer in new languages could benefit a wider userbase.

Best regards,
Bence

Le mer. 27 oct. 2021 à 16:18, Andy Mabbett 
mailto:a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>> a écrit :
On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 13:59, Andreas Kolbe 
mailto:jayen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>> > Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the
>> > best use of our resources.
>>
>> I agree; such functionality belongs in the user client (screen reader,
>> browser, whatever), not in the subject website.
>
> an excerpt from the marketing text

As a professional web manager (1994-2011), I had companies trying to
sell me such services regularly. And why wouldn't they, given the
number of websites they could sell it to, over, and over, and over,
again?

Equally consistently, people who /needed/ such assistance told us they
wanted it in the client, not the website; and that all they required
of the websites was to be web-standards-complaint (by which they meant
WCAG[1]).


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Content_Accessibility_Guidelines

--
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-27 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
2021(e)ko urr. 27(a) 10:57 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (geni ):On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 16:38, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga

 wrote:

> Upload MP4 files



Try Handbrake.No, I want to use Commons. I don't need external software to upload texts or images.



> Have a modern look



That would be the mobile site.Well, yes. Now look at Wikisource in your mobile or to Wikipedia in your desktip



> Create visually interesting cartography



I think open street map got there first.And we still use maps in our Encyclopedia. 



> Hear the articles



Not sure that duplicating the work of a range of screen readers is the

best use of our resources.We want to give knowledge to everyone in the world. Also those without screen readers or whose languages are not currently supported.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Mmm... let's read again our Strategic direction...


By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of 
free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us.

We, the Wikimedia contributors, communities, and organizations, will advance 
our world by collecting knowledge that fully represents human diversity, and by 
building the services and structures that enable others to do the same.

We will carry on our mission of developing content as we have done in the past, 
and we will go further.

Yes, having a physics simulation, a calculator, showing how the satellites of 
Jupiter are arranged now... are, by definition, part or the "ecosystem of free 
knowledge" in the same way images are. We currently add images to Commons and 
we don't say: you have a link here if you want to see that image. We also add 
texts and we don't say "just read a book, lol". Having rich media is part of 
the ecosystem of free knowledge, and we should be "building the services and 
structures" to share it. We also should be developing content "further". Is not 
that I think we should do that: is that we have decided to do that.

Also, the Medium Term Plan, that is currently active, says about "Platform 
evolution" this 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019/Platform_evolution

"support for the integration and discoverability of rich content including 
video, audio, and interactive media, as well as the infrastructure to serve it 
with high performance, high redundancy, and low latency to all parts of the 
world."

So yes, it should be part of the plan, and currently there's no way to achieve 
it.

Best,

Galder

From: Todd Allen 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:14 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

You put in a URL that links to one. And there, you're done.

Having a "howto" gadget like that is not the purpose of an article. The purpose 
of an article is to describe, not have a "simulator". A URL to one on some 
other site in the external links section might be quite in order, but that is 
out of scope for Wikipedia itself.

We should never try to be everything to everyone. We have a clear and defined 
scope, and we should stick to it.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 11:57 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
"Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even 
particularly hard. "

I don't assume it, just we can't do it: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169027 or 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238259


If you know a way to do this kind of interactive content in any given wiki, we 
could go forward fast.

From: Strainu mailto:strain...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 7:45 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
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Pe marți, 26 octombrie 2021, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> a scris:
> Anders: we can't add a physics simulator.

We totally can. It takes programming knowledge and a technical administrator, 
but it's possible.

Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even 
particularly hard. What's nearly impossible is to scale such initiatives in a 
meaningful manner (I.e. over 250+ languages).

Strainu

(https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is 
not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, 
because we are... obsolete.
>
> 
> From: Anders Wennersten 
> mailto:m...@anderswennersten.se>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
> mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise
>
>
> We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of 
> controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept
>
> we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, 
> truly believing in the full integrity of our users
>
> our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party
>
> Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which 
> is made easier with no technical smarties)
>
> Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a 
> phenomenon obsolete
>
> In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or 
> none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Dynamic content on Wikipedia (was: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise)

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I think that the WMF has a whole departament devoted to product. This is not about someone trying to get some money, is about University professors that have asked directly how they can upload their dynamic content to wikipedia and they didn't have a way. How can a regular Physicist in Uzbekistan upload it without knowing someone who knows someone who could fill a grant proposal? Is like asking a grant proposal to be able to upload a video!2021(e)ko urr. 26(a) 20:13 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Strainu ):Changing subject, this is no joke. Pe marți, 26 octombrie 2021, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder...@hotmail.com> a scris:> "Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even particularly hard. "> I don't assume it, just we can't do it: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169027 or https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238259As a matter of fact, these 2 tickets say it's totally possible to have dynamic content on Wikipedia, just not by an average user. They even have examples of dynamic content. What I don't see there (I just skimmed the content though) is a list of requirements for what we want to achieve. Are there big classes of similar visualizations that could be done with simple customizations that a semi-technical person (think:excel user) could do? You could start from there and have someone write a project grant proposal for such a project. Strainu >>> If you know a way to do this kind of interactive content in any given wiki, we could go forward fast.> > From: Strainu <strain...@gmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 7:45 PM> To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise>  >> Pe marți, 26 octombrie 2021, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <galder...@hotmail.com> a scris:>> Anders: we can't add a physics simulator.>> We totally can. It takes programming knowledge and a technical administrator, but it's possible.>> Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even particularly hard. What's nearly impossible is to scale such initiatives in a meaningful manner (I.e. over 250+ languages).>> Strainu>> (https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, because we are... obsolete.>>>> >> From: Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM>> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise>>  >>>> We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept>>>> we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, truly believing in the full integrity of our users>>>> our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party>>>> Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which is made easier with no technical smarties)>>>> Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a phenomenon obsolete>>>> In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for foul play by parties that want to undermine our system by clever hackers>>>> Anders>>>> Den 2021-10-26 kl. 17:37, skrev Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga:>>>> Thanks Anders,>> "We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would imply that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, can't do this things (you can help by expanding this list):>>>> Simultaneous edition>> Auto-save in sandbox>> Publishing from sandbox>> Upload MP4 files>> Render correctly vectorial files>> Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects>> Have a modern look>> Have cross-project templates and modules>> Visual edit from mobile>> Create visually interesting cartography>> Hear the articles>> Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)>> ...>> >>>> Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. Let's take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or the 2017 one: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some pro

[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
"Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even 
particularly hard. "

I don't assume it, just we can't do it: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T169027 or 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T238259


If you know a way to do this kind of interactive content in any given wiki, we 
could go forward fast.

From: Strainu 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 7:45 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise



Pe marți, 26 octombrie 2021, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> a scris:
> Anders: we can't add a physics simulator.

We totally can. It takes programming knowledge and a technical administrator, 
but it's possible.

Don't assume that just because you can't do something it's impossible or even 
particularly hard. What's nearly impossible is to scale such initiatives in a 
meaningful manner (I.e. over 250+ languages).

Strainu

(https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is 
not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, 
because we are... obsolete.
>
> 
> From: Anders Wennersten 
> mailto:m...@anderswennersten.se>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
> mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise
>
>
> We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of 
> controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept
>
> we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, 
> truly believing in the full integrity of our users
>
> our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party
>
> Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which 
> is made easier with no technical smarties)
>
> Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a 
> phenomenon obsolete
>
> In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or 
> none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for foul play by parties 
> that want to undermine our system by clever hackers
>
> Anders
>
> Den 2021-10-26 kl. 17:37, skrev Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga:
>
> Thanks Anders,
> "We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would 
> imply that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, 
> can't do this things (you can help by expanding this list):
>
> Simultaneous edition
> Auto-save in sandbox
> Publishing from sandbox
> Upload MP4 files
> Render correctly vectorial files
> Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects
> Have a modern look
> Have cross-project templates and modules
> Visual edit from mobile
> Create visually interesting cartography
> Hear the articles
> Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)
> ...
> 
>
> Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every 
> year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. 
> Let's take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or 
> the 2017 one: 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some 
> projects where done, some not and there are some that are external tools that 
> you have to use as a gadget.
>
> Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very 
> obsolete.
> Galder
>
>
> 
> From: Anders Wennersten 
> mailto:m...@anderswennersten.se>>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:23 PM
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
> mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise
>
> "We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
> yes... obsolete." Galder
>
>
> What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
> common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?
>
> I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
> has been launched.
>
> I see how the social media have a hard time to be a platform for common
> knowledge and hard pressed to employ armies of moderators. And Google
> very happy to lean and steal from Wikipedia rather the do something
> similar themself (which would go down badly in the public)
>
> But the war of infor

[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Anders: we can't add a physics simulator. 
(https://www.physicsclassroom.com/Physics-Interactives/Newtons-Laws). This is 
not "info wars", this is being useful. And we can't do it because... well, 
because we are... obsolete.


From: Anders Wennersten 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 6:02 PM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise


We have an army of volunteers to guarantee correctness and that issues of 
controversies are dealt with in a way that hopefully all parties can accept


we have no cookies or technical things that make us follow up on our editors, 
truly believing in the full integrity of our users


our financial and governing set up is fully independent of an third party


Our reading interface works well for our users and on most platforms (which is 
made easier with no technical smarties)


Our interface can be made better for editors, but this does not make it as a 
phenomenon obsolete


In the info war we are in, it is beer to be on the "boring" side with few or 
none smart gadgets then being too smart and open for foul play by parties that 
want to undermine our system by clever hackers


Anders


Den 2021-10-26 kl. 17:37, skrev Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga:
Thanks Anders,
"We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would imply 
that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, can't do 
this things (you can help by expanding this list):

  *   Simultaneous edition
  *   Auto-save in sandbox
  *   Publishing from sandbox
  *   Upload MP4 files
  *   Render correctly vectorial files
  *   Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects
  *   Have a modern look
  *   Have cross-project templates and modules
  *   Visual edit from mobile
  *   Create visually interesting cartography
  *   Hear the articles
  *   Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)
  *   ...
  *   

Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every 
year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. Let's 
take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or the 
2017 one: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some 
projects where done, some not and there are some that are external tools that 
you have to use as a gadget.

Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very obsolete.

Galder



From: Anders Wennersten 
<mailto:m...@anderswennersten.se>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:23 PM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> 
<mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

"We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
yes... obsolete." Galder


What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?

I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
has been launched.

I see how the social media have a hard time to be a platform for common
knowledge and hard pressed to employ armies of moderators. And Google
very happy to lean and steal from Wikipedia rather the do something
similar themself (which would go down badly in the public)

But the war of information is a reality and heating up. We can be very
glad that so far we have not been a target of all angriness of what is
to be seen as the "correct" information. But that could change, what if
a new administration in US want to control what is written in Wikipedia.
Or China want to set up a parallel in English as the have now in
Chinese. If these thing happen we need to have resources to fight off
these type a of challenges, not only for our own sake but for he people
in the world who is used to turn to Wikipedia for basic facts.

We are the opposite to obsolete, we are in the front seat and driving
for correct facts in the emerging information war we now see

Anders
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Anders,
"We are the opposite to obsolete" is a good sentence, because this would imply 
that our platform is the bow of an icebreaker. But we still, in 2021, can't do 
this things (you can help by expanding this list):

  *   Simultaneous edition
  *   Auto-save in sandbox
  *   Publishing from sandbox
  *   Upload MP4 files
  *   Render correctly vectorial files
  *   Embed our own Wikidata query results in our own projects
  *   Have a modern look
  *   Have cross-project templates and modules
  *   Visual edit from mobile
  *   Create visually interesting cartography
  *   Hear the articles
  *   Export multiple articles as a pdf/doc (whatever)
  *   ...
  *   

Someone will answer to this message talking about the "Wishlist survey" every 
year we have. This scarcity generating system also gives funny outcomes. Let's 
take the 2019 survey. 10 projects were voted. Only 4 done: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results. Or the 
2017 one: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Results. Some 
projects where done, some not and there are some that are external tools that 
you have to use as a gadget.

Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very obsolete.

Galder



From: Anders Wennersten 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 5:23 PM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

"We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
yes... obsolete." Galder


What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?

I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
has been launched.

I see how the social media have a hard time to be a platform for common
knowledge and hard pressed to employ armies of moderators. And Google
very happy to lean and steal from Wikipedia rather the do something
similar themself (which would go down badly in the public)

But the war of information is a reality and heating up. We can be very
glad that so far we have not been a target of all angriness of what is
to be seen as the "correct" information. But that could change, what if
a new administration in US want to control what is written in Wikipedia.
Or China want to set up a parallel in English as the have now in
Chinese. If these thing happen we need to have resources to fight off
these type a of challenges, not only for our own sake but for he people
in the world who is used to turn to Wikipedia for basic facts.

We are the opposite to obsolete, we are in the front seat and driving
for correct facts in the emerging information war we now see

Anders
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[Wikimedia-l] An Uzbek praktical joke and Wikimedia Enterprise

2021-10-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear wikimedians,
Some years ago, I visited Uzbekistan. I was shocked and amused to find that the 
largest paper note was 2.000 soʻm at that time, with a plan to start with the 
5.000 paper note soon. The most used one still was the 1.000 soʻm note, that 
was about 35 US cents in the bank and about 20 US cents in the street markets. 
So, the first time we changed two 100 USD$ paper notes into soʻm we got around 
800 paper notes in bunches of 100. It was quite interesting to note that people 
in the street went with black plastic bags full of money in order to buy at the 
market or get a taxi ride. Some days later, I talked to a local taxi driver and 
he told me that when he bought his car, he needed a small truck to carry all 
the paper notes to the car selling store. Of course, I took that as a joke. 
Then another man said that many houses have a room only for storing money, so 
you can buy a larger house in the future. I don't know if this was a practical 
joke, but that's how it was.

Yesterday we launched Wikimedia Enterprise. This e-mail is not to show my 
disagreement with the idea itself, but with the outcome. It seems that the 
purpose of Wikimedia Entrerprise is to have a large money revenue offering 
volunteer's time and content to the rich who are willing to pay for a better 
API. Believe it or not, I like to tax the rich.

We have millions of dollars in our money room, and, if everything goes as 
planned with Wikimedia Enterprise, we will soon need to buy a new house to have 
a larger room to store all those cheques, notes and assets. The room will soon 
look huge and plenty of money. Still, there's no plan to paint the house, 
arrange the sofa, solve the water leakage we have in the toilet, mow the lawn 
or buy a new set of pans so we can cook healthy food there. Soon, the cow will 
start aging and won't have more milk to sell. But yes, the money room will be 
huge. We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still... yes... 
obsolete.

Sincerely,

Galder
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-18 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Let me suggest an improvement for the next time: the Election Compass gives the 
username and the voting system is orded by real name. It would be great to have 
both/be consistent.

But... 70 candidates! It seems hard to make something perfect.

From: Jan Ainali 
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 1:29 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are 
now open!

Thanks for your reply Kaarel,

I just wanted to note that UI of SecurePoll caused problem in the board 
election too, and that the same excuse was used then "in a short time once". 
Obviously this is a piece of infrastructure that we need in the movement and 
that any team doing one election should not need to fix the software for it.

Hence, a specific project, unrelated to any election, should be tasked to solve 
this by the Wikimedia Foundation. And it should start soon to avoid us finding 
ourselves in the same problem when the next election is being called.

Thanks,
Jan Ainali


Den mån 18 okt. 2021 kl 13:02 skrev Kaarel Vaidla 
mailto:kvai...@wikimedia.org>>:
Thank you everyone for taking the time to vote on the elections, for engaging 
with the tools that have been created to facilitate the voting, and for taking 
the time to provide the feedback. Running these elections with 70 candidates is 
a pilot and it is a great opportunity to learn together and with your support 
and input. We are gathering the lessons learned, so there can be improvements 
for the next time.

I am responding to some of the points made in the thread:

  *   The user interface and, as a result, the user experience for voting on 
the SecurePoll for 70 candidates with a Single Transferable Voting method is 
indeed sub-optimal. Unfortunately, we could not figure out how to make it more 
user friendly in a short time once it became clear that there would be 70 
candidates. It would need essential changes on how the voting would happen. 
There are some suggestions for improvements in this thread (no dropbox, but 
clickable or drag & drop candidate chips; choosing a different voting method or 
creating 7-member districts). It would be great to receive further perspectives 
on this!

  *   Thank you, Lodewijk, for sharing practical guidance on how to make the 
most of the current user interface. Typing the first letter of the candidate 
name to find the right one in the dropdown box with 70 names is probably the 
best way to do it. A huge thank you to everyone who is taking the time to cast 
their vote!

  *   Ensuring the supporting materials to help people to make informed 
decisions has been a complex matter. The candidate 
statements
 add up to 55 pages of text, which is difficult to navigate. It seemed like a 
compass tool could be of help here, but it comes with its own complications:
 *   There was a 10-day window to submit the statements and a 5-day 
upvoting period. We did our best to communicate it widely on mailing lists 
(e.g. 
here
 and 
here)
 as well as social media groups, yet as there is so.much going on, not everyone 
noticed it in the timely manner.
 *   We are no longer collecting or upvoting statements. We hope that 19 
that were selected are at least to some extent helpful in informing the voting. 
We are happy to receive the feedback regarding the statement collection and 
upvoting, so it would be possible to improve the process in the future.
 *   Election compass has its own user interface and experience challenges. 
We have opted for all the candidates being selected as default for comparison, 
as it provides a good comparison across the pool - this helps to have a good 
overview of the positions of all the candidates. However, this makes navigating 
their rationale statements more difficult, as it involves a lot of scrolling. 
Also, if one is interested in comparing 2 candidates, there is a lot of 
deselecting that needs to happen. It seemed that selecting candidates manually 
would bring more personal bias into use of the tool, so we have chosen the 
select all approach as default. Overall, it is the number of candidates that is 
creating the bulk of the navigation and comparison issues and we are open to 
feedback on how to improve this in the future.
 *   The length of the statements made by the candidates in the compass 
tool was capped to prevent us from creating another wall of text. While it 
helps to better understand the position of the candidate, it would create a 
further barrier for voter engagement, if the expression is not clear and 
concise. I believe that the word limits will be an essential part of the 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-16 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Christophe,
And whose responsibility is to answer to "And if you read the whole thread it 
is not really about money but more about product vision/strategy/roadmap :)"? 
Who should have this strategy, vision and roadmap?

That's the x in this equation.

Galder

From: Christophe Henner 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 9:33 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Hi,

I will the whole first part of the discussion :)

As for the product discussion. We should very mindful of what we consider our 
ProductS.

We tend to talk a lot about the wikis. They are products that can be improved, 
and have been and still should evolve yes. And I agree it would be great if 
they improved more, be updated for both readers and editors. But the context, 
with so many communities to satisfy makes it very hard.

Be damned if you do, be damned if you don't sort of things.

But, they are not obsolete.

What however is, to me, obsolete is our shared very occidental web vision of 
our products.

What can makes us obsolete, is our inability to adapt our products or create 
new products adapted to new mean of content consumption.

>From a content consumption perspective, video and audio have a lot of 
>tractions.

Short and fast burst of information is taking more and more place on how we 
consume content.

The disintermediation of content is more than here and even if we have 
Wikidata, we are not, yet!, exploiting it's full potential to spread content.

VR and AR are 5 to 10 years away as mass market products. But it will requires 
years to do something good for us around it.

Yes editing can be improved, but to me it is not where we will see obsolescence 
first. Content consumption is clearly to me the topic.

I know it can be easy to say "hey look at simultaneous editing on gdoc or 365". 
Yes that's a nice thing, but would it be a game changer for us? But having all 
around the world PoP to decrease loading time also is a great product 
improvement. Etc.

All that to say, yes there is a lot of work from a product perspective, but it 
can be easy to have our own biases give us a twisted view of what needs to be 
improved.

And if you read the whole thread it is not really about money but more about 
product vision/strategy/roadmap :)

Which we might be missing or isn't known enough.

Le sam. 16 oct. 2021 à 8:41 AM, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> a écrit :
True Samuel. We can actually edit [Wikipedia] from our mobile phones. We can't 
use the visual editor. I tried to say it later with the sentence "Desktop 
computers are disappearing. We still can't edit in a good way with our mobile 
phones." but it's true the first time I mentionen this it was not factual.

About the other projects, it doesn't matter where the bottleneck is: we are 
obsolete and we have 100 million dollars. We try to make some improvements 
using a wishlist system that only creates culture of scarcity, instead of 
culture of abundance. There is a reason to create scarcity, but this is a topic 
for another essay.

Have a good weekend

Galder

From: Samuel Klein mailto:meta...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 3:07 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Luis writes:
> For what it is worth, I think the current mobile app is pretty good and I 
> regularly finding pleasant surprises

Yea, the mobile app is sweet, editing and all.

Responding to two specific earlier comments:

1. Galder - "It is 2021 and we still can't edit by mobile phone."

-->  Safe to say this is not true :)  But you could say that about your later 
comment on the ability to "write simultaneously ... upload videos ... 
autosave", each of which are common in online collaborative spaces, and which 
we do need to make standard for our wikis.  But the bottlenecks aren't 
primarily design, but rather coordinated vision and focus -- or at least 
unblocking and supporting one another as we design and implement prototypes.  
We need new social norms and clear community use cases for simultaneous 
editing<https://bluespice.com/mediawiki-visualeditor/> (resolving attribution 
and revision history for multiparty edits), video 
uploading<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimedMediaHandler> (how to 
note the original upload if we only save a transcode), and 
drafts<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T39992> (rallying support behind a 
specific client-side use case to realize).

2. Jonathan -
   "[In my new sw company] we have the autonomy to make the changes in the 
first place, see what happens, and then build from there..."
   "WMF product teams work in an environment where [...] one set of end users 
(editors) has a great

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-16 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
True Samuel. We can actually edit [Wikipedia] from our mobile phones. We can't 
use the visual editor. I tried to say it later with the sentence "Desktop 
computers are disappearing. We still can't edit in a good way with our mobile 
phones." but it's true the first time I mentionen this it was not factual.

About the other projects, it doesn't matter where the bottleneck is: we are 
obsolete and we have 100 million dollars. We try to make some improvements 
using a wishlist system that only creates culture of scarcity, instead of 
culture of abundance. There is a reason to create scarcity, but this is a topic 
for another essay.

Have a good weekend

Galder

From: Samuel Klein 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2021 3:07 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Luis writes:
> For what it is worth, I think the current mobile app is pretty good and I 
> regularly finding pleasant surprises

Yea, the mobile app is sweet, editing and all.

Responding to two specific earlier comments:

1. Galder - "It is 2021 and we still can't edit by mobile phone."

-->  Safe to say this is not true :)  But you could say that about your later 
comment on the ability to "write simultaneously ... upload videos ... 
autosave", each of which are common in online collaborative spaces, and which 
we do need to make standard for our wikis.  But the bottlenecks aren't 
primarily design, but rather coordinated vision and focus -- or at least 
unblocking and supporting one another as we design and implement prototypes.  
We need new social norms and clear community use cases for simultaneous 
editing (resolving attribution 
and revision history for multiparty edits), video 
uploading (how to 
note the original upload if we only save a transcode), and 
drafts (rallying support behind a 
specific client-side use case to realize).

2. Jonathan -
   "[In my new sw company] we have the autonomy to make the changes in the 
first place, see what happens, and then build from there..."
   "WMF product teams work in an environment where [...] one set of end users 
(editors) has a great deal of both soft and hard power to block changes, even 
when those changes are intended for--and indeed, primarily affect--a different 
set of end users (readers)."

--> These comments highlight a common misframing, about autonomy and curation 
of the reading experience, worth addressing.  (Likely deserves its own thread!)

Much of the friction and tension in our movement stems from different 
understandings of autonomy; and the impedance 
mismatch
 of a step function between the norms (of communication, delegation, and 
planning) of a) broad community wikiocracies and b) narrow staff hierarchies. 
Our community has thousands of designers; the staff has scores, who may feel 
constrained to work on only their particular projects. There is abundant talent.

Most active editors and curators are not "end users" of the site, any more than 
developers are -- they are involved before the end, up and down the design and 
implementation stack, building bridges, interfaces, translations.  They are 
project stewards, schedulers, templaters, designers, and maintainers.  So when 
interface designers deploying a new language-selector design are talking with 
layout designers maintaining article flair like 
geo-coordinates
 and article status 
indicators, they 
should feel they are on the same team: improving the site skin together.

This is a solved problem in some corners, but the solutions are not evenly 
distributed.  Within Wikimedia, and within the WMF, there are groups and 
projects of all sizes that have developed without this sort of contention.  But 
we spend most of our time and energy talking about the ones that fail to do so. 
 [The article always ends on the wrong 
version; confusion is always 
due to the other person :-]   Let's learn from the successes, and not fall into 
stereotyping any parts of our nexus.

Wishing all a beautiful week's end,
SJ


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Vito and Samuel for your words,
As a leader of an Education Program, I talk every day to students, people who 
was born after Wikipedia and have assumed during all their life that Wikipedia 
exists. They are digital natives, but, for the good or for the bad, they are 
used to having everything deployed, working and simple. They are used to Google 
Drive and its collaboration platforms; they are used to just buying some new 
device and having the operative system there. They haven't dealt with 
installing their own OS, making separate drives for data and OS or just having 
folders in their desktop to save things.

I have been with more than 6.000 students in the last 4 years 
(https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/hezkuntza_programa/programs 
4.147 accounts created) and they are shocked with the obsolescence of our 
platform. They don't understand why they can't write simultaneously, why they 
can't upload videos, or why there's not autosave. I'm with them every day, so I 
hear what they think about the design, the usability. They make the same 
mistakes once and again, so I'm starting to think that those are not mistakes, 
but software/UX errors.

Our system was obsolete 10 years ago. Whenever we fix something, we are a 
decade late. The new vector will be, too, a decade late. And every change we 
aren't doing is losing new contributors. Old wikimedians will eventually leave 
the project, because they can't contribute, because they have lost their 
enthusiasm or just because they die. If we want to have a whole new generation 
of wikimedians editing, then things must be thought for them, making everything 
easier, appealing and aligned with the way they have to contribute. Desktop 
computers are disappearing. We still can't edit in a good way with our mobile 
phones. We have a whole strategy thought for the 2030, but we aren't making any 
real usability step in that direction.

We have still some time left. And we have the most important thing: a mountain 
of money. Let's invest in the best way we can: attracting a new generation of 
Wikimedians who will push our projects to new heights and will make that little 
investment of money multiply for the future.

Galder

PD: Samuel, yes, of course, I use tropes, stylistic recourses and metaphors. 
I'm trying to tell something! 


From: Vi to 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 9:07 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Regular contributors experience is quite different from less frequent 
contributors and (above all) readers. People into user interfaces design surely 
have a proper word for this, but we're used to a variety of small tricks/habits 
which are somehow expensive to change.

For example, since OOUI's developed I've been upset because it seems to need 
some more keystrokes for blocks and deletions. I, for one, am still using 
monobook, and I won't change it unless forced.

Introducing visual editor implied a cost for the communities to fix garbage 
wikicode introduced by VE during its first weeks/months, some years later, 
linterrors became the best game for our bots.

So I can confirm the inertia of regular editors about user interface is, 
usually, humongous, but also the project themselves have an enormous inertia 
since they are collections of terabytes of wikicode created during almost two 
decades.

I feel like this problem has never been addressed in a wide, strategic, way, 
leaving developers being torn apart by conflicting needs.

Vito

Il giorno ven 15 ott 2021 alle ore 19:11 Eduardo Testart 
mailto:etest...@gmail.com>> ha scritto:
Hi all,

A good example around this subject was the Visual Editor tool implementation, 
strongly opposed by the community in the beginning, and developed by the WMF, 
as it was probably necessary to turn Wikipedia into a more modern website.

A lot about the latter can be found and read as a real example of this debate

The cultural behavior of the group is a big factor on any technological 
implementation on the Wikimedia world, and to change culture, you need much 
more than money.

Sorry if this was mentioned before.


Cheers,


El vie., 15 de oct. de 2021 07:13, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> escribió:
No, I don't have all the answers. Is just that every time someone says: "hey! 
this is broken!" and receives an excuse and then says again "HEY! THIS IS 
BROKEN!" the answer is not: "ok, we'll try to figure out how to solve it" but: 
"don't use caps". I'm a volunteer. I have spent lots of time trying to solve 
issues. Most of this time wasn't about the issue, was about someone trying to 
convince me that the bug was a feature. And now, when I tell here where "I 
THINK" that the problem is, I get a "you are being rude" excuse. Great. I'm 
being rude. Now, can we fix the problem?

Thanks

Galder
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
No, I don't have all the answers. Is just that every time someone says: "hey! 
this is broken!" and receives an excuse and then says again "HEY! THIS IS 
BROKEN!" the answer is not: "ok, we'll try to figure out how to solve it" but: 
"don't use caps". I'm a volunteer. I have spent lots of time trying to solve 
issues. Most of this time wasn't about the issue, was about someone trying to 
convince me that the bug was a feature. And now, when I tell here where "I 
THINK" that the problem is, I get a "you are being rude" excuse. Great. I'm 
being rude. Now, can we fix the problem?

Thanks

Galder

From: Dan Garry (Deskana) 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:08 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 11:03, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks Dan for using the Excuse 6: At this point in the circle, there is some 
volunteer who wants to fix this and raises the tone of the request. Then we 
find the mother of all excuses, the wild card: you are being rude and do not 
assume good faith. Excuse 6.

I guess you've got all the answers then, eh?

I think we're done here.

Dan
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Dan for using the Excuse 6: At this point in the circle, there is some 
volunteer who wants to fix this and raises the tone of the request. Then we 
find the mother of all excuses, the wild card: you are being rude and do not 
assume good faith. Excuse 6.

From: Dan Garry (Deskana) 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 11:58 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 at 08:47, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
I don't know if this already has a name, but I'm going to invent one: The Great 
Circle of Excuse. It works like this: we have all realized that something needs 
to be improved, let's say the design of our website. Then, WMF gets a group of 
workers to think about it, and they come up with some changes that neither 
respond to the needs nor are really a change beyond certain aesthetic resources.

I stopped reading at this point. What you've written here is pretty insulting. 
There's a valid point buried under your rhetoric, but you're exacerbating the 
problem by being so rude and dismissive.

Dan
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
 but those 
poor staff can't do what they should do, poor staff, because the community 
doesn't want change (excuse 2) and the environment is toxic (excuse 6). Or, as 
a variant: a bigger team may not be better (despite the team says that they 
can't do it because their team is small). So, once the circle is closed, you go 
back to opening issues in Phabricator to try to improve these problems. Because 
it only takes one manager, someone who knows how to manage a team, to realize 
that there is a problem here. And what do you find in Phabricator if you reopen 
issues? Surprise, you get back to box 5, in its variants a, b, c or d.

The circle is closed. No one is responsible for anything. No one can solve it. 
In the meantime, we have 100 million dollars, a flawed website, a make-up 
process that leads nowhere, whole communities with basic things broken for 
months and no prospect of improvement for the people who, in good faith, try to 
help along the way. We lose readers. We lose volunteers. We lose time. We lose 
money. We lose everyone.

Thanks

Galder



From: Heather Walls 
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:01 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

I was going to write something similar to Jonathan, but now I can just support 
what he said.

If there are folks in the communities who desire changes to the sites, building 
a group of supporters and/or becoming invested in what it is really like to 
make those changes *socially* not technically, is likely to be more effective 
than pointing at WMF and saying they are not interested, not capable, or not 
resourced enough.

Thanks, Jmo!



On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 2:35 PM Jonathan Morgan 
mailto:jonnymorgan@gmail.com>> wrote:
It's not an issue of "WMF can't hire enough designers" or "WMF can't hire good 
designers".

I worked for WMF in a design-adjacent role for the better part of a decade. WMF 
has excellent designers, and in sufficient numbers to build a modern user 
interface on desktop--one that looks modern and also prioritizes the needs of 
Wikipedia's readers (editors can always load up an old skin if they don't like 
the new one).

The mobile site and Wikipedia apps have a much more modern look-and-feel and 
are clearly focused on making Wikipedia "work" for its largest set of users: 
readers. If the desktop site lags on the design side, that may be because when 
WMF has tried to make UI changes to the desktop site in the past, or even just 
proposed them, they've received loud and angry push back from members of a 
second (smaller, but equally important) set of users: editors.

WMF, understandably, tries to avoid angering editors (believe it or not).

At the software company I work for now, if we make a change that annoys our 
users--pretty much all of whom are "power users" with needs every bit as 
complex and idiosyncratic as your average Admin--we hear about it. But no one 
threatens to disable that change across the platform. And it's relatively rare 
for a user to accuse us of being stupid or lazy or malicious--at least, its 
rare on for that to happen on public mailing lists or in our own forums.

That doesn't mean the stakes are any lower: if we make the software worse, we 
probably lose customers. But we have the autonomy to make the changes in the 
first place, see what happens, and then build from there or fix our mistakes or 
even roll things back if we need to.

WMF product teams work in an environment where their competence and good faith 
are frequently, and publicly, called into question. An environment where one 
set of end users (editors) has a great deal of both soft and hard power to 
block changes, even when those changes are intended for--and indeed, primarily 
affect--a different set of end users (readers).

Speaking as someone who worked inside of that environment, I can say that it 
can feel like even targeted, clearly motivated and well-justified changes aimed 
at improving the reader experience aren't worth the cost.

There are plenty of other factors at play, but I'm sure I've already said 
enough to anger plenty of you, so I'll leave it there.

I no longer work for WMF and my opinions are my own.

Cheers,
Jonathan Morgan
User:Jtmorgan
formerly, User:Jmorgan_(WMF)

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:34 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
Today I learned that, despite having $100 million in the Endowment fund, we 
can't have a design team big enough to make our websites not look like they're 
stuck in 2001. I don't know if anyone is behind the wheel, but the car is 
expensive.

Sincerely,
Galder

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at Wikimedia

2021-10-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks, Brigit, for this hub, it is great to have it! I have tried and can't 
find any way to look for tools that are not nominated as "Coolest Tool Award" 
besides looking for name. Is there a way for searching by categories?

Thanks
Galder

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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Toolhub 1.0 is launched! Discover software tools used at 
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Hi All,

We are happy to announce the launch of Toolhub 
– a community-authored catalogue that aims to make software 
tools used in 
the Wikimedia movement discoverable to everyone.


Community developed tools – including web applications, bots, gadgets, user 
scripts, lua modules, and more – play a significant role in the Wikimedia 
projects. These software applications address a wide range of use cases 
including finding bad faith edits and other content curation, bulk editing, 
collecting statistical information, creating special citations, and much more. 
About ⅓ of all edits are made by bots and tools. In addition, semi-automated 
edits are helped by user scripts, gadgets, and other editing assistance tools 
that run from the user's local computer or directly inside the wikis. There are 
thousands of tools available, but how can you find them?


With Toolhub, you can document and find 
tools, promote their use in your wiki 
community, and help improve them by contributing data. You can create and share 
lists of tools relevant to your work - for example, for GLAM tools, or for wiki 
projects such as Women in Red.


This first release provides a core set of 
functionalities, and contains 
an initial data set of about 1500 tools. Most of the initial tools in the 
catalog are imported from the same data files developers have created for Hay's 
Directory which has been a major 
inspiration for Toolhub.


Toolhub serves developers and users of tools alike. It is part of our efforts 
to improve the infrastructure and services for technical contributors, captured 
under one of Technology’s top level objectives in the FY 2020-2021 and 
2021-2022 annual plans: Tech Community 
Building.
 We hope to continue conversations with developers and users of tools, plan to 
improve Toolhub, and to further expand the functionality.


A collaborative system and open developer platform

Toolhub is built as an API driven platform that makes it possible to extend and 
remix the catalogue, and to make collecting and reusing information about tools 
as open and collaborative as we can. Everything that can be done interactively 
with the Toolhub website can also be done remotely through the API. We would 
love to hear from technical contributors interested in using the Toolhub 
API to build new tools 
that make new ways to add or consume information from Toolhub's catalog.


Our decision record 
and weekly progress 
reports on Meta 
provide more insights in technical implementation details and decisions made 
throughout the development process. The Toolhub/About 
page provides information on 
project origin, research, use cases, data model, and roadmap. This recording 
from a lightning talk at ‘21 
Wikimania gives an overview of the 
main aspects in 10 minutes.


Thank you <3

This project wouldn’t have been possible without the support, knowledge, ideas 
and prior work of many. One of the nicest side-effects of a release is that 
it’s a great opportunity to thank folks for their time and contributions :-)


  *   Husky, whose Hay's 
Directory provided the foundation for the 
data model used by Toolhub and inspired some of its features.

  *   Harej, for his invaluable 
contributions in the early stages of the Toolhub project.

  *   Our 'advisory board' - 
Giuseppe (SRE), 
Risker (editor, admin), 
Reedy (Security), 
Keegan (Community 
Relations), and Eran 
(volunteer 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Jay for your insights. I just had a meeting with some of the team 
members. If they can't develop a modern and useful design in a reasonable time 
lapse, then the team is underfunded. Having a big team is not always better, 
having a team big enough to work on something it should be solved a decade ago 
should. If design is subjective, then we don't need any design. Design is not 
subjective, as aesthetics aren't. There are tons of things published about good 
designs and bad designs. There are tons of things we could do but we aren't 
doing because we don't hire people to do it. But we have 100 million dollars, 
that would be great saved in a vault, instead of making our project better, so 
we can raise 300 million dollars because more people is coming to share more 
knowledge in more ways for more people.

From: Jay prakash <0freerunn...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 9:18 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Hi,

I think design is a subjective term. It depends on person-to-person 
preferences. So there will always be a big room for improvement.

WMF's Readers web team is already working to improve the design. They did 
research and implemented new designs. We should always cooperate with them by 
giving feedback so that more improvement can take place.

Currently, this team has 14 team members and consists of 3 UX 
Designer/Engineers. So saying that they are not big enough is not good. Please 
keep in mind that a big team is not always a good idea. [1][2]

[1] 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobmorgan/2015/04/15/why-smaller-teams-are-better-than-larger-ones/?sh=5707944a1e68
[2] https://blog.prototypr.io/small-team-vs-large-staff-1f921b69d0cf

Jay Prakash

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:27 AM Tito Dutta 
mailto:trulyt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Indeed, the lack or modernisation of the web interface, and lack of an improved 
Android/iPhone (or simply "smartphone") editing app[1] are possibly some of the 
major areas to focus.

If the "next billion internet users", a term we often used to use are not 
getting involved as much as we expected, possibly "interface" is one reason 
behind it.

[1] I am aware of the currently available apps.

শুক্র, 15 অক্টো., 2021 12:03 AM তারিখে Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> লিখেছেন:
Dear all,
Today I learned that, despite having $100 million in the Endowment fund, we 
can't have a design team big enough to make our websites not look like they're 
stuck in 2001. I don't know if anyone is behind the wheel, but the car is 
expensive.

Sincerely,
Galder

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Yes, that's it. Vector was obsolete when it was deployed. New Vector would be 
obsolete even when Vector was created. It is 2021 and we still can't edit by 
mobile phone. It is 2021 and most of the tools outside the biggest Wikipedias 
are broken. It is 2021 and the Vector redesign doesn't take into account that 
coordinates are a thing. But yes, we do have 100.000.000$ so we can see how 
Internet was back in the 1990s also in the future.

From: Tito Dutta 
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:56 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Indeed, the lack or modernisation of the web interface, and lack of an improved 
Android/iPhone (or simply "smartphone") editing app[1] are possibly some of the 
major areas to focus.

If the "next billion internet users", a term we often used to use are not 
getting involved as much as we expected, possibly "interface" is one reason 
behind it.

[1] I am aware of the currently available apps.

শুক্র, 15 অক্টো., 2021 12:03 AM তারিখে Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> লিখেছেন:
Dear all,
Today I learned that, despite having $100 million in the Endowment fund, we 
can't have a design team big enough to make our websites not look like they're 
stuck in 2001. I don't know if anyone is behind the wheel, but the car is 
expensive.

Sincerely,
Galder

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Yes. That's why.

From: Jay prakash <0freerunn...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:42 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

Hi Galder,

Have you ever seen Vector skin version 2?

See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements,

You can adopt new versions from your preferences. Some wikis like French 
Wikipedia, Bangala Wikipedia, etc., already aptoted this new version for their 
default interface.

Regards,

Jay Prakash,
Volunteer Developer, Wikimedia Community

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:04 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Dear all,
Today I learned that, despite having $100 million in the Endowment fund, we 
can't have a design team big enough to make our websites not look like they're 
stuck in 2001. I don't know if anyone is behind the wheel, but the car is 
expensive.

Sincerely,
Galder

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[Wikimedia-l] 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,
Today I learned that, despite having $100 million in the Endowment fund, we 
can't have a design team big enough to make our websites not look like they're 
stuck in 2001. I don't know if anyone is behind the wheel, but the car is 
expensive.

Sincerely,
Galder

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[Wikimedia-l] #30daysmapchallenge

2021-10-05 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear wikimedians,
For the third year in a row, cartographer and open data lover Topi Tjukanov has 
organized the #30daysmapchallenge. You have all the information here: 
https://github.com/tjukanovt/30DayMapChallenge.

I send this, because I know there are lots of cartography enthusiasts in our 
movement who would be glad to take part in this challenge and contribute with 
those maps to articles in Wikipedia, to Commons or, upload and reuse 
information from Wikidata. I personally enjoyed last year challenge and 
contributed to some articles and learnt about tools to import data from 
Wikidata into QGIS.

Sincerely

Galder
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Nigeria Independence Day global Edit-a-thon

2021-10-01 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Great initiative! I have added population data to every state at Wikidata, and 
now automatically generated demographic maps are possible:

https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria#Biztanleak

Happy independence day!

From: Olushola Olaniyan 
Sent: Friday, October 1, 2021 9:59 AM
To: Carlos M. Colina 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Nigeria Independence Day global Edit-a-thon

Reminder!!!


Hello friends

Today is the Nigeria  independence day anniversary, join us across the globe to 
celebrate the birth of our Nation by editing any Nigeria related articles in 
your language on @Wikipedia and please add #NG to your summary.

Let's do it together .

We love ❤️ you all!!!

Olushola Olaniyan
President  Wikimedia User Group Nigeria
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Is not only about "fulfilling wishes". Is about solving the enormous lag of 
tech problems we have. We may be the only top-10 site in the world with links 
to features in all the pages that are not working (as the book creator). We may 
have 100 million USD to mantain our legacy forever. It will be a nice museum of 
how Internet looked in the 1990s. We may have lots of money, but we lack any 
strategy to invest this money in making our platform better.

thanks

Galder

From: phoebe ayers 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2021 1:16 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million 
goal and welcomes new board members

Thanks Christophe, SJ and all! Lisa, agreed - it's taken a lot of work over the 
years from many people to get here. A big thanks to all of the endowment staff 
past and present and especially to you Lisa, who has been there as an advocate 
from the very beginning "what if we made an endowment?!" days. Also thanks to 
my fellow current and former trustees on the WMF & Endowment boards who have 
supported this effort. I'm honored and excited to be a part of the next chapter 
of the endowment, and I hope to hear community members' thoughts on the best 
way an endowment could support the very long term future of the Wikimedia 
projects and free knowledge too.

Galder -- though the endowment may only ever indirectly support this, yes to a 
wishlist system that fulfills more wishes. I want to see this too.
Cunctator -- this seems like a different topic for a different thread?
Vito -- Good meme usage. I can't find the perfect meme to answer so I'll just 
say that (as I expect you know) the endowment is meant to support the projects 
in perpetuity, which means it isn't there to replace daily operation funding or 
annual fundraising. The 100M is meant to generate investment income (which best 
case scenario will still only be a fraction of the current WMF budget.) 
Changing fundraising strategies really means changing the size and scope of the 
WMF annual plan, including affiliate grants; the need for fundraising follows 
from the budget. While that's a good conversation to have, I don't think the 
existence of the endowment will direct it (or our larger movement strategy 
conversations).

cheers,
Phoebe


On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 1:21 PM Lisa Gruwell 
mailto:lgruw...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:
Thank you, Christophe and SJ.  You both were great supporters of this effort 
when you were on the WMF board and it wouldn't have gotten off the ground 
without you.  It takes a lot of vision and trust to do something long-term like 
an endowment.  Thanks for giving that to us!

Best,
Lisa

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 1:52 AM Christophe Henner 
mailto:christophe.hen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Congratulations Lisa and team, I know how much energy you pour into it! That is 
an amazing step. And great to see the endowment becoming its own organization.

And "welcome" to the "new" endowment board members! :)

Few people might know Doron, but he is not a stranger. He has been supporting 
the movement for a very very long time and knows us very well. I remember back 
in 2016, he understood very very fast why it was critical to invest in Wikidata 
and that lead to the Structured Data grant: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Sloan_Grant.

Phoebe, Doron and Patricio are great additions to the endowment board!

All good news, thank you again Lisa!


--
Christophe


On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 16:58, Lisa Gruwell 
mailto:lgruw...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:

Dear all,


Today I am very happy to announce the Wikimedia Endowment [1] has reached its 
initial $100 million goal. The Endowment was started in 2016 as a permanent 
fund to support the Wikimedia projects in perpetuity [2].


My deep gratitude goes out to our generous donors, the Endowment board, 
Foundation staff, and volunteers who made this possible. I am grateful to the 
future-focused community members who began considering the idea of an endowment 
years ago, to those who participated in community conversations on Meta [3] to 
help us think through initial decisions regarding its launch, and to all 
contributors whose work creating Wikimedia content has brought free knowledge 
to the world.


As part of this milestone, the Wikimedia Endowment Board has also welcomed 
three new members: Phoebe Ayers, Patricio Lorente, and Doron Weber, bringing in 
important expertise of the Wikimedia movement and priorities as well as in 
nonprofit management.


You can read more about this milestone, what it means for the movement, and 
what comes next for the Endowment on Diff [4] and the Endowment Meta page [5]. 
We invite you to share any questions or feedback on the Endowment talk page [6].


Thank you to everyone who has made this incredible achievement possible.


Best regards,

Lisa


[1] https://wikimediaendowment.org/

[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/mission/ 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-22 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Lisa for the information.
Now that we have $100 millions, let's see if we can hire someone to solve our 
technology, design and community wishes enormous lag. It may be a good 
inversion.

Thanks

Galder

From: Lisa Gruwell 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 4:57 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal 
and welcomes new board members


Dear all,


Today I am very happy to announce the Wikimedia Endowment [1] has reached its 
initial $100 million goal. The Endowment was started in 2016 as a permanent 
fund to support the Wikimedia projects in perpetuity [2].


My deep gratitude goes out to our generous donors, the Endowment board, 
Foundation staff, and volunteers who made this possible. I am grateful to the 
future-focused community members who began considering the idea of an endowment 
years ago, to those who participated in community conversations on Meta [3] to 
help us think through initial decisions regarding its launch, and to all 
contributors whose work creating Wikimedia content has brought free knowledge 
to the world.


As part of this milestone, the Wikimedia Endowment Board has also welcomed 
three new members: Phoebe Ayers, Patricio Lorente, and Doron Weber, bringing in 
important expertise of the Wikimedia movement and priorities as well as in 
nonprofit management.


You can read more about this milestone, what it means for the movement, and 
what comes next for the Endowment on Diff [4] and the Endowment Meta page [5]. 
We invite you to share any questions or feedback on the Endowment talk page [6].


Thank you to everyone who has made this incredible achievement possible.


Best regards,

Lisa


[1] https://wikimediaendowment.org/

[2] https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/mission/ 


[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Endowment_Essay

[4]https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/09/22/the-wikimedia-endowment-reaches-100-million-milestone-and-welcomes-three-new-members-to-its-board-more-on-what-these-developments-mean-for-the-projects-and-movement/
 


[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Endowment 


[6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Endowment

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Lisa Seitz Gruwell

Chief Advancement Officer

Wikimedia Foundation

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

2021-09-21 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
By the way, and not being completely off-topic. Thanks to the "Content 
translation" tool, the integration of Elia there (wich has neural translation 
between 6 languages, including Basque) and automatic templates developed by the 
Catalan wikimedians... I translated this article about the Canadian federal 
election in, exactly, 8 minutes.

https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021eko_Kanadako_hauteskunde_federalak

The coverage in wikidata is still poor, but everything will appear soon there, 
automagically.

I encourage smaller Wikipedias to have automatic templates, it makes live 
easier.

From: Jane Darnell 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 3:53 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

I do feel US elections and their coverage is an international issue, especially 
in light of recent events that threaten democracy and could indirectly affect 
things like copyright on the internet. I do share concerns about “social media 
events” and it would be helpful to spell out how these could be covered in an 
encyclopedia when social media is not considered a reliable source for an 
article. Add to that a decline in subscriptions to local newspapers (I believe 
this is not only a US issue but an international problem) as well as 
geoblocking content of national newspapers and you have major issues with 
updates to Wikipedia election articles anywhere. I have no idea how to tackle 
these issues but have complete confidence in the various election-related 
WikiProjects so if there’s such a project on meta maybe they have already 
joined forces on this.
Jane

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:


Hoi,
What is painfully obvious is the bias that exists. For countries in Africa we 
do not even know all the government ministers past and present for the last 70 
years let alone that we know about past elections. At that, it is fine with me 
that subjects like this are raised.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 09:19, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where most 
of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other Wikipedias 
around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the US elections 
at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English Wikipedia.

Thanks for your understanding.

Galder

From: Risker mailto:risker...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation there, 
with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good grasp on 
what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted before, this 
is an international mailing list, and there are better places to talk about 
American politics.

Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was yesterday, 
and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week ago; there were 
no surprises.

Risker/Anne





[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.



In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute happening 
[2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to precisely 
attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more photographs were 
leaked to a news organization which probably does not want to reveal their 
source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex events and 
happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related strategies, tactics, 
events, and happenings.



On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it will 
be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the next 
election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential 
election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, 
interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to encyclopedia 
articles as they occur.



My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes 
participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential 
election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these prominent 
encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with regard to 
covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please let me know.



If there is i

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

2021-09-21 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I would add to the idea that this is an international mailing list where most 
of the users are not from the US the idea that there are other Wikipedias 
around that are not in English, so the coverage of details of the US elections 
at the English Wikipedia should be discussed... at the English Wikipedia.

Thanks for your understanding.

Galder

From: Risker 
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2021 8:14 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections

There are already wikiprojects on English Wikipedia that work on 
elections.[1][2]  I suggest you might want to continue this conversation there, 
with people who have a strong interest in US elections, and a good grasp on 
what is and is not likely to make a successful article. As noted before, this 
is an international mailing list, and there are better places to talk about 
American politics.

Oh...incidentally. That photo had no impact at all. The election was yesterday, 
and the results were pretty much as predicted at least a week ago; there were 
no surprises.

Risker/Anne





[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory/History_and_society#Politics_and_government
[2] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_presidential_elections

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 01:45, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

Thank you.



In the recent Canadian federal election [1], there was a last-minute happening 
[2] in the news and on social media [3] which seems difficult to precisely 
attribute to a responsible party. It appears that one or more photographs were 
leaked to a news organization which probably does not want to reveal their 
source. I am thinking about how best to include such complex events and 
happenings in encyclopedia articles about election-related strategies, tactics, 
events, and happenings.



On the topic of US election-related encyclopedia articles, I think that it will 
be easier and that there will be more interested Wikimedians as the next 
election season approaches (2022) or, perhaps, as the next Presidential 
election season approaches (2024). Then, instead of exploring news archives, 
interested Wikimedians could add relevant events and happenings to encyclopedia 
articles as they occur.



My current plan for improving Wikipedia’s overall election coverage includes 
participating, alongside interested others, in US 2024 Presidential 
election-related encyclopedia articles so that the quality of these prominent 
encyclopedia articles might inspire the broader community with regard to 
covering subsequent elections. If anyone has a better plan, please let me know.



If there is interest, perhaps we could organize a community project, a 
Wikiproject [4] or a Task Force [5], to think about and to discuss these topics 
– and, perhaps, to collaborate to build templates or prototypes of enhanced 
election coverage – en route to 2024.



In the interim, I can see whether I can find enough content to create and 
structure articles about these topics pertaining to recent US Presidential 
elections (2016 and 2020).





Best regards,

Adam



[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Canadian_federal_election

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

[3] 
https://torontosun.com/news/election-2021/lilley-another-blackface-photo-embarrassing-to-trudeau-but-not-his-voters



[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject

[5] 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces



From: Eduardo Testart
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2021 12:31 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Encyclopedic Coverage of American Elections



Hi Adam,



If this is a subject you care about, you are probably the right person to start 
writing those articles you would like to see.



If you wait to see "how Wikimedians choose to create and structure them", you 
might very well never see the articles come to life.



It's never too late to start editing 





Cheers,



El dom., 19 de sep. de 2021 09:55, Adam Sobieski 
mailto:adamsobie...@hotmail.com>> escribió:

Thank you. It is interesting to consider how a more granular coverage of 
elections, coverage which includes notable mass media events, e.g., news 
stories and social media events, caused by and/or strategically reacted to by 
political campaigns, parties, and organizations, coverage which includes 
election tactics and strategies, can enhance Wikipedia and provide its readers 
with fuller pictures of elections.



I am starting to think about possibilities with respect to these new articles. 
I am looking forward to seeing how Wikimedians choose to create and structure 
them. A hope is that future elections will improve as a result.





Best regards,

Adam



From: Risker
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the new Wikimedia Foundation CEO

2021-09-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Welcome: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Iskander
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Maryana_Iskander.jpg/1200px-Maryana_Iskander.jpg]
Maryana Iskander - Wikipedia, entziklopedia 
askea.
eu.wikipedia.org


From: Tito Dutta 
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2021 5:40 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Cc: Maryana Iskander 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the new Wikimedia Foundation CEO

Hello,
Good to know about the update Nataliia. Thanks to the Transition team for 
working on this. Good wishes (and welcome) to Maryana Iskander in the new role. 
Hope to work with you on Movement Strategy and other Wikimedia projects/areas 
from January onwards.

ইতি,/Thanks(a
টিটো দত্ত/User:Titodutta
(মাতৃভাষা থাক জীবন জুড়ে)


মঙ্গল, ১৪ সেপ্টেম্বর, ২০২১ তারিখে ৯:০২ PM টায় এ Nataliia Tymkiv 
mailto:ntym...@wikimedia.org>> লিখেছেন:
Dear all,

I am pleased to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has 
appointed Maryana Iskander as the new CEO of the Wikimedia Foundation [1] [2].

Since 2013, Maryana has served as the CEO of Harambee Youth Employment 
Accelerator [3], a South African non-profit social enterprise focused on 
building African solutions for the global challenge of youth unemployment. 
Prior to this, she spent six years as Chief Operating Officer of Planned 
Parenthood Federation of America [4], a volunteer-led social movement focused 
on access to women’s healthcare. Maryana has also worked in academia as the 
Advisor to the President of Rice University [5], an international research 
university based in the United States.

Her professional career has been motivated by breaking down systemic barriers, 
creating opportunities for collaborative solution-building, and community 
empowerment. She has a proven track record for leading complex organisations 
shaped by shared decision-making.

In looking for the next CEO, we on the Board convened a Transition Committee 
[6], primarily to guide us in finding the right person for this critical role 
and secondly to oversee the executive Transition Team. The Transition Committee 
conducted a far-reaching and competitive global search, receiving around 400 
recommendations and speaking to about 50 potential candidates. Throughout this 
selection process, Maryana impressed us as someone who is deeply inspired by 
the Wikimedia vision and who embodies the values of equity and community that 
inform all Wikimedia work. She has extensive leadership experience working with 
volunteer-led initiatives and building partnerships across public, private and 
social sectors. Maryana also brings expertise in technology-led innovation to 
accelerate meaningful social change. She does this with a global perspective: 
Maryana was born in the Middle East, educated in the United States and the 
United Kingdom, and has spent the last decade living and working on the African 
continent.

Maryana joins the Wikimedia Foundation at a crucial time. The movement is 
larger than ever, and it has never been more relevant or more trusted. This is 
an inflection point, as decisions need to be made to execute a shared vision 
for where the Movement wants to be in 2030. We believe that Maryana is the 
right person to help lead the Foundation at this moment.

As Maryana begins, her priorities will include supporting movement efforts to 
implement the Wikimedia 2030 recommendations, such as the development of a 
Movement Charter and the finalization of a Universal Code of Conduct. She will 
continue the Foundation’s focus on knowledge equity and exploring ways to 
address the gaps in content and the diversity of contributors to Wikimedia 
projects. She will be supported by the Board in this journey.

Maryana will officially start at the Wikimedia Foundation on January 5, 2022, 
as she transitions from her current job. Until then, the Foundation will 
continue to be led by the Transition Team, with guidance from the Board. In my 
conversations with her, I have seen that Maryana is a fan of direct 
communication and excited to learn from the movement. In the coming weeks, she 
will share ways to connect. Please join me in welcoming Maryana (CCed) to the 
Foundation!

PS. For translations of this message, or to help translate it into more 
languages, please visit Meta-Wiki [7]

[1] 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/14/wikimedia-foundation-appoints-maryana-iskander-as-chief-executive-officer/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Iskander

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harambee_Youth_Employment_Accelerator

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice_University

[6] 
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Creating_a_CEO_Transition_Committee_and_Transition_Team,_2021

[7] 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

2021-07-02 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.

From: Yaroslav Blanter 
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user page on 
the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what their edits in 
the articles are.

I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.

Yaroslav

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill 
mailto:satdeepg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE TIBET 
in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable editors.

In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we all 
look upto but can never trully achieve.

Best
Satdeep

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
mailto:peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>> wrote:

The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and 
who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a 
political opinion on a user page could be  considered a declaration of 
partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.

Cheers,

Peter



From: Frederick Noronha 
[mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
Sent: 30 June 2021 00:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag



Just seeking clarity:

Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?

A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political 
history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's 
standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.

Can't this be discussed in the public domain?

FN



On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl 
mailto:gkalk...@freenet.de>> wrote:

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write that 
it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a statement: 
free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the Persian Wikipedia 
removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file on the same day. I'm 
not judging anything here, but please be more precise in your accusations.

Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private message 
and I can explain better.



Best



On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 
<4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Wikimedians,



Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense 
adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my userpage 
(of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you need to see a 
previous revision of my userpage).



https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2=32191672



Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!



I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed. They 
block users for the most friviolous reasons.



What does this mean?



Yours faithfully,

User:4nn1l2





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Atayal Wikipedia and Seediq Wikipedia are officially online !

2021-04-22 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Great news!
How do you say "Welcome" on those languages?

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Joyce 
Chen 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:28 AM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Atayal Wikipedia and Seediq Wikipedia are officially 
online !

Dear All,

Wikimedia Taiwan has a great news to share with all of you!

We are so happy to announced that the two of Taiwan's indigenous languages, the 
Atayal Wikipedia and Seediq Wikipedia are officially online!

In 2015, the Taiwan Ministry of Education launched the Indigenous languages 
Wikipedia project. Sakizaya Wikipedia was the first language release their 
Wikipedia in 2019. On April 15, 2021, Hitay-Payan and Lituk Teymu, who are 
another two languages Wikipedia project convener were happy to announce that 
Atayal Wikipedia and Seediq Wikipedia were online.

Since November 22, 2019, the release day of Sakizaya Wikipedia, there have been 
1,840 clauses added. The Wikimedia Taiwan and the Center for aboriginal studies 
of NCCU joined the Sakizaya Wikipedia workshop hosted by Sakizaya language 
organization on March 11-12, 2021 at the Hualien City. During the workshop, we 
taught Sakizaya people how to migrate Chinese modules into Sakizaya, and they 
translated all of them into Sakizaya. There are 50 pictures from Wikimedia 
Commons was enhanced by Sakizaya and over 100 Wikidata item and properties were 
translated into Sakizaya. Moreover, the Sakizaya hashtag "szy" for other 
Wikipedia sister projects was ready as well.

Atayal Wikipedia and Seediq Wikipedia were released on March 16, 2021, 
including the previous Sakizaya language, these are the 3 languages which first 
included in Wikipedia, there are in total 16 indigenous languages recognized as 
aboriginal by the Council of Indigenous People, Taiwan. The new Wikimedia 
language hashtag for Atayal (tay) and Seediq (trv) not only expanded the 
usability within Wikipedia but also between other Wiki projects, such as 
Wikimedia Common and Wikidata.

We are happy to preserve, promote and reuse Taiwan's indigenous languages 
through the release of the Wikimedia project, this is an milestone for all of 
us. We hope to assist all Indigenous continue finding ways to preserve their 
legacy and bring their languages and culture to the world.

Check out our meta-wiki page: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Taiwan/IncuWPTA

sincerely,
Joyce

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[Wikimedia-l] Txikipedia APP launched

2021-03-01 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,

It has been three years since Basque wikimedians launched 
Txikipedia, the children version of our most famous 
Encyclopedia. Txikipedia, small and free, has grown to nearly 3.000 articles 
and lots of education projects are being made at schools to enhance, create and 
learn Txikipedia.


Last year we launched an App for 
Android and 
iOS to help children 
finding the content they want. Today, we have launched a national advertisement 
campaign to promote both Txikipedia and the App. A long video, jingles at radio 
and a small ad at television will be broadcasted in the forthcoming days. 
Because "parenthood is difficult. With Txikipedia is a little bit easier".


Banners at media, Txikipedia based questions inside chidren TV shows and a 
powerful social media campaign will booster our app and project. We have 
partnered with Hiru Damatxo idea factory to 
create an idea calling parents to install the app in their children's 
mobiles/tablets, so they can safely find information designed for their age. 
Because parenthood is difficult, but with Txikipedia is a little bit easier.

You can help us spreading the word:

  *YouTube video (eu, en subtitles): 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSL8APE-4gk
  *   Relevant tweet: https://twitter.com/euwikipedia/status/1366298410513440770
  *   Facebook: 
https://www.facebook.com/EuskarazkoWikipedia/posts/1306344716418604


Thanks!

Galder

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing VideoCutTool version 0.4

2021-02-23 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Great news! I have tried today I couldn't upload a file, does it take some time 
to upload or is there a queue?

Thanks!

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Gopa 
Vasanth 
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 8:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List ; Wikimedia 
developers 
Cc: Pratik Shetty ; Hassan Amin 

Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing VideoCutTool version 0.4

Hello folks!

We are excited to announce the release of version 0.4 of 
VideoCutTool [1].
VideoCutTool helps users to edit videos in commons and also converts MP4 videos 
on the user's device to Wikimedia Commons accepted formats (i.e WebM/OGV) and 
upload/re-upload them to Commons on-the-fly.

In the last few years, we have been tirelessly working to improve our tool and 
we believe that VideoCutTool will help you enjoy your video editing experience! 
Special thanks to our team Pratik Shetty, Hassan Amin, James Heilman, 
Jayprakash, and all the volunteers for their contributions!

About VideoCutTool
VideoCutTool is a video editing tool that helps to provide various types of 
editing processes on videos that are currently in Wikimedia Commons and also 
the videos present in the user devices. It is deployed on Wikimedia VPS. 
Cropping, Trimming, Audio Disabling, and Rotating are the current features of 
the tool. From the tool, the edited videos can be either downloaded or 
re-upload to Wikimedia Commons. VideoCutTool work's similar to the 
CropTool [2]. More info about the tool is 
available on Commons: 
VideoCutTool [3].

VideoCutTool is also available as a gadget in Wikimedia Commons, You can turn 
it on from Preferences -> Gadgets -> Check on VideoCutTool -> Save!

Try out VideoCutTol from here: https://videocuttool.wmflabs.org/

Changes in version 0.4

  *   Support of i18n - Localisation and Internalisation.
  *   Optional Dark mode - handy to use!
  *   Mobile responsiveness.
  *   Fixes to various minor bugs.

If you notice any bugs or want to request any feature please feel free to open 
a ticket in phabricator and add the tag #videocuttool to the same, Our 
phabricator workboard is here: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/videocuttool/ [4].

[1] https://videocuttool.wmflabs.org/
[2] https://croptool.toolforge.org/
[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:VideoCutTool
[4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/videocuttool/


Regards

Gopa Vasanth
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

2021-02-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
But you can do that on Wikinews!

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
Leinonen Teemu 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:21 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Jimmy has a project that does exactly that.

I like Jimmy’s project but do not see it progressing to the direction what I 
was imagining.

Having said that, what we could do is have a project investigating the missing 
information in Wikidata.

Wikidata is great, but I do not see how it could serves the purpose, I was 
thinking about.I was visioning a wiki site where one could start a page with 
the title:

General Min Aung Hlaing's[1] speech on TV Feb 8th 2021[2]

On this page people could edit transcript of the speech and do fact checking on 
the claims he make.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Min_Aung_Hlaing
[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55975746

- Teemu
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

2021-02-04 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Does Wikinews cover this aspect?

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Chris 
Gates via Wikimedia-l 
Sent: Thursday, February 4, 2021 8:20 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Cc: Chris Gates 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Idea of a new project: Wikifacts ?

Hello,

Independent of my opinions on the validity of such a new Wikimedia project, 
there is currently an experiment of similar goals (and potentially structure) 
over at Twitter:

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/product/2021/introducing-birdwatch-a-community-based-approach-to-misinformation.html


Best,
Verm


On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 2:17 PM Leinonen Teemu 
mailto:teemu.leino...@aalto.fi>> wrote:
Hi all,

Has there been any discussion to start a new Wikimedia project focusing on fact 
checking?

Fact checking of course is in the core of editing Wikipedia, but I was thinking 
about dedicated wiki-site that is dedicated for fact checking of current events 
and news. Why this would be important?

(1) There are many fact checking site in the English speaking world but much 
less elsewhere. I am afraid that there is still greater need for fact checking 
in the rest of the world. {{Citation needed}}

(2) Our community is very well educated to do fact checking the wiki-way. Again 
internationally, many of our community members are real fact champions in their 
home countries and language groups. The practice of Wikipedia could be applied 
to fact checking of fast moving current events and news, too.

(3) This could help us to get new young people to the movement, as editing 
Wikipedias is not anymore so easy to start (because they are so good already).

(4) In many parts of the world, fact checking can also be dangerous. With our 
anonymous and community driven practices and services we could protect the fact 
checkers in many parts of the world.

I am not sure what is the state of the Wikinews, but my impression is that it 
is not really working. It was a good idea, but maybe wiki or wiki-way is not 
the way to produce news. Also the beautiful idea of citizen journalism has not 
really become reality. Maybe we could try if wiki and the wki-way works better 
in fact checking.

Peace,

 - Teemu


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

2020-12-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Lisa,
It makes total sense.

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Lisa 
Gruwell 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 6:53 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge 
Equity Fund"


Hi all,


Thanks for the questions. We intend to announce the Knowledge Equity Fund in 
early 2021, once we have a bit more details and specifics worked out. However, 
we can share the overall intention today.


Some background: Our fiscal year runs from July through June, which means that 
the second half of last year was heavily affected by the unforeseen effects of 
the Covid-19 pandemic. Community events were canceled, hiring slowed, and we 
put work on pause while we responded to the changing circumstances. As a 
result, we ended the year with funds that were underspent, relative to what we 
had planned for the budget.


In May of last year, we were also planning for this current fiscal year and had 
very little insight about how fundraising would perform in this pandemic. 
People around the world were losing their sources of income, as unemployment 
soared. We worked with the board to plan for different scenarios, including if 
fundraising went really poorly.


As a general matter, when the budget is underspent, any remainder goes into the 
reserve. For accounting purposes, it cannot be carried over into the budget of 
a new fiscal year. Because we were concerned about the uncertainty of 
fundraising this year, we decided to set aside underspent funds from the past 
fiscal year, so that we could keep our commitment to our grantees even if 
fundraising fell short and also make progress on knowledge equity. (Good news: 
Fundraising ended up going a lot better than we expected when we were planning 
in the early months of this pandemic.  More to come on that.)


With the WMF board’s approval, we set up a US$8.7 million grantmaking fund at 
Tides Advocacy, which has two purposes: 1) Funding Annual Plan Grants (APG) to 
the affiliates this year and 2) Funding Knowledge Equity. We have been working 
with Tides since 2016 when we launched the Endowment. The relationship has gone 
well and they have a lot of expertise at administering grants internationally.


Our first priority was to ensure that we had enough funding to support 
community grants. We transferred the full amount for Annual Plan Grants (APG) 
for FY20-21 over to Tides to ensure that all funding for affiliates for this 
year was secured, regardless of how fundraising performed. It also gives staff 
at affiliates and the Foundation more time to work together to make thoughtful 
grants, instead of an end-of-year rush. All affiliates who will be receiving 
funding through Tides were informed of the arrangement last summer. All other 
grantmaking (Community Grants, Rapid Grants, Project Grants) are still being 
funded through WMF directly, as usual. There is a round of APG grants set to go 
out via Tides this week.


As the Audit Report FAQ states,[1] the remaining funds will be used to launch 
the Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund. This new fund is in addition to the 
existing grants that are already available for the communities (Community 
Grants, Rapid Grants, Project Grants, and APGs) and does not impact the amount 
of funds in those grant portfolios.


Our goal is to use this fund to invest in new opportunities that increase the 
availability of free knowledge for marginalized people and counteract 
structural inequalities. Knowledge equity is a key pillar of the 2030 movement 
strategy, and this investment will help us to address some of the barriers 
preventing people from accessing and contributing to free knowledge.


As of now, this is a one-time commitment of approximately $4.5 million. We are 
still working on the specific initial objectives of the fund and how it will 
operate. As a pilot initiative, we’ll be learning and adapting as we go.


We’ll share more details in early 2021 about the Knowledge Equity Fund. We are 
excited to see what progress we can make for knowledge equity with this 
investment.


Thank you,


Lisa Gruwell


[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_reports/Financial/Audits/2019-2020_-_frequently_asked_questions/id#This_year%E2%80%99s_report_says_that_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_provided_an_unconditional_grant_of_$8.723_million_to_Tides_Advocacy_for_the_Wikimedia_Knowledge_Equity_Fund._What_is_the_Wikimedia_Knowledge_Equity_Fund?


On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM Katherine Maher 
mailto:kma...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:
Hi folks,

Happy Sunday from San Francisco -- we've seen the questions 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Indeed! The FINAL stage of the changes is deeply conservative and not a change 
at all. It's a small lifting, but not a real change. We are now 10 years old, 
and with the new changes we will be 8 years old in a year, instead of being 11 
years old.

From: Olga Vasileva 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi Vira, Ala'a, and Galder,

Thanks for your feedback - we’re really glad you’re enjoying the changes we’ve 
made so far.  I wanted to point out that this is not all! The deployed changes 
are a part of a larger series of improvements that we will be rolling out 
progressively over the next 1+ years. To see a list of the other features we 
are planning on working on, please check out our project page[1]. In addition, 
we believe that even after the project is complete, there will still be work to 
do. We’d like to view this project as a new baseline on which we can build new 
functionality that can improve both reading and editing in the future.

Thanks again!

- Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:06 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for bringing this topic!
At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style, and 
it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will take for 
any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where to insert an 
image to avoid sandwiching.

BUT...

I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what we 
need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those who 
don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on with 
big changes.

Best

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l 
mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>>
 on behalf of Ala'a Najjar mailto:ala201...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org> 
mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump 
https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can help 
Readers Web team.

Best,
Alaa
https://w.wiki/JNQ

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l 
mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Vira Motorko
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so I've 
decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop 
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year, 
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by default, 
and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their preferences to 
make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be good 
for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko 
<https://www.facebook.com/vira.motorko> | wikipedia: Ата 
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ата>

-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on 
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on improving 
the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released as a user 
preference to all projects and as default on a set of early adopter wikis: 
Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese 
Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while the 
needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have their 
expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the content 
itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be researching and 
building out improvements to the desktop experience based on research and 
existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience - 
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read, edit, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-23 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks for bringing this topic!
At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style, and 
it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will take for 
any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where to insert an 
image to avoid sandwiching.

BUT...

I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what we 
need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those who 
don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on with 
big changes.

Best

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Ala'a 
Najjar 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump 
https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can help 
Readers Web team.

Best,
Alaa
https://w.wiki/JNQ

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l  On Behalf Of Vira 
Motorko
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so I've 
decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop 
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year, 
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by default, 
and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their preferences to 
make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be good 
for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko 
 | wikipedia: Ата 


-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva 
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on 
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on improving 
the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released as a user 
preference to all projects and as default on a set of early adopter wikis: 
Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese 
Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while the 
needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have their 
expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the content 
itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be researching and 
building out improvements to the desktop experience based on research and 
existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience - 
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read, edit, 
and perform common functionality.

Our first change, a collapsible sidebar, allows users to collapse the lengthy 
menu on the left side of the page. We believe this change improves usability by 
allowing people to focus on the content itself - on reading, editing, or 
moderating.

Our second change introduces a maximum line width to our content on pages such 
as article pages and discussion pages. Studies have shown that limiting the 
width can lead to better retention of content, as well as a decrease in eye 
strain

You can opt into these features by unchecking “legacy vector” from the 
appearance tab of your user preferences.

We’d also like to note that these are the first of a series of changes and, as 
such, their visual characteristics are not permanent. Also - there might be 
bugs. If you notice an issue or would like to learn more about the project 
itself - please head to our project page [3].

Thank you!

Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Web/Team
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements
--
*Olga Vasileva* // Senior Product Manager // Web 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/


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[Wikimedia-l] The Government of Navarre will fund BWUG

2020-07-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,
It is a real pleasure to announce the agreement reached between Basque 
Wikimedians User Group and the Government of Navarre to finance projects for 
the knowledge of Wikimedia platforms in that region.

The agreement, of an initial duration of 6 months and endowed with 25,000€, 
will serve to initiate work related to local knowledge, GLAM and to multiply 
the educational program that we have already been carrying out.

You can read more about this agreement in our blog: 
http://wikimedia.eus/2020/07/wikipedian-euskarazko-eduki-digitalak-sortu-zabaldu-eta-kontsumitzea-sustatuko-du-nafarroako-gobernuak/

And you can learn more about it in Spanish in the Governments website: 
https://www.navarra.es/es/noticias/2020/07/23/el-gobierno-de-navarra-fomentara-la-creacion-difusion-y-consumo-de-contenidos-digitales-en-euskera-en-wikipedia

Sincerely

Galder
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[Wikimedia-l] Announcing Txikipedia APP

2020-07-22 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,
Today we are glad to announce the launching of the Txikipedia APP for Android 
and iOS. This tool will allow children to read content created for them at 
Txikipedia, the Basque language encyclopedia for children, and will make easier 
to discover content.

You can download it at Play Store 
(https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ewke.txikipedia=ES) and 
at App Store.

Thanks

Galder


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Excited to see even how this mind-blowing idea comes to live!

Congratulations

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Isaac 
Olatunde 
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia 
project: Abstract Wikipedia

Wow! This is a great news.

Thanks for sharing Katherine.

With best wishes

Isaac.

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020, 17:39 Denny Vrandečić,  wrote:

> Katherine, thank you for the warm welcome and your kind words!
>
> I am very happy to be given the opportunity to start this new project, and
> deeply honored by the trust and confidence of the Board and the Foundation.
>
> Thanks to the many who have listened to me talking about this project in
> the last few years, read my papers and plans, commented on them,
> scrutinized them, and offered encouragement, criticism, and advice. Thanks
> to everyone who expressed their support and raised their concerns on the
> proposal page on Meta [1]. It is thanks to you that the Board was confident
> enough to make this decision.
>
> There is a lot of work in front of us, and I will continue to rely on your
> guidance and collective wisdom. We will need to foster a new community.
> Just as with Wikidata, I hope that some of you will become active in the
> new community, and I also want to make sure that we will be welcoming to
> new contributors. We want to extend and grow the Wikimedia movement not
> only with new functionalities, but also with new people.
>
> Settling in this new position will take quite a bit of my attention in the
> next few weeks, so please forgive me if I may be slow with answering your
> questions between now and then. One of the first things we’ll do is to set
> up new communication channels. We will continue discussing the project and
> planning on Meta [2] for now and also welcome you to the new, dedicated
> mailing list [3].
>
> One of our first tasks together will be to find a name for the project. A
> first set of proposals have already been made [4], and I invite you all to
> come up with more ideas. We will start that off in July or August. Did I
> mention that you can join us on Meta [2] to discuss proposals for names,
> the project itself, and much more?
>
> Again, thank you all! I am super excited about figuring this thing out with
> you, and am looking forward to coming back to Wikimedia full-time.
>
> Stay safe,
> Denny
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Abstract_Wikipedia
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia/Name
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:24 AM Brion Vibber  wrote:
>
> > I'm extremely excited about this project!
> >
> > Not only will this be directly useful on its own (and a fascinating
> project
> > in its own right!), but it will help our volunteer editors to ramp up
> good
> > base material to work with on the "prose" Wikipedias we already know and
> > love.
> >
> > The idea is really to make the structured data we've all been putting
> into
> > Wikidata available in a human-readable form at a big scale, that's still
> > able to be shaped and made into something real and readable by human
> > editors. By moving around where in the chain the data gets expressed as
> > human language, we hope to make something that's just as editable but
> much
> > more maintainable in the future and across multiple languages.
> >
> > -- brion
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 AM Katherine Maher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that
> > has
> > > been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees.
> > > Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> > > content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> > > readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach
> that
> > > aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase
> > the
> > > sustainability of our movement through expanding access to
> participation,
> > > improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate
> in
> > > free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> > > create something new.
> > >
> > > This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia
> was
> > > submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2]
> > after
> > > years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and
> lively
> > > discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and
> the
> > > creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers,
> and
> > > information that is available in one language may not make it to 

[Wikimedia-l] Announcing WikiBizi Basque Country, a summer proposal for COVID-19 times

2020-06-18 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Basque Wikimedians User Group (BWUG) is proud to announce the creation of 
WikiBizi1, a project created as a summer proposal for COVID-19 times. It will 
gather an open travel guide of the Basque Country, three photo-contests 
superseding our current WikiLoves__ contests and GLAM collaborations. 
The main project page is here: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBizi.

1Bizi means both life and live: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bizi#Basque

== An open travel guide ==
This will be a very special summer: without mass-tourism, without long 
travelling and without festivals, many people is engaging in short excursions. 
BWUG thought that this could be a great opportunity to start working in an open 
travel guide, but creating an instance of Wikivoyage would be out of scope. So 
we have created an open travel guide at Wikibooks: 
https://eu.wikibooks.org/wiki/Euskal_Herriko_bidaia-gida. Every municipality 
has been linked to Wikipedia 
(https://eu.wikibooks.org/wiki/Euskal_Herriko_bidaia-gida/Herriz_herri), and we 
have agreed with Berria newspaper (the only newspaper in Basque, which is 
published under cc-by-sa license) to take all their travel routes and upload 
them to Wikibooks 
(https://eu.wikibooks.org/wiki/Euskal_Herriko_bidaia-gida/Ibilbideak), so 
people can collaborate with images, corrections or even link to other routes. 
There's a button in every route so you can easily upload images from your 
experience directly into Commons: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Euskal_Herriko_Bidaia_Gida.

== Three-in-one photo contests ==
WikiLovesMonuments, Earth and Folk are dead! Long live to WikiBizi! We will run 
this three contests from July 1st to September 30th, so people have more time 
to take and upload photos. We will have three categories: Monuments 
(https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBizi/Ondarea), Nature (open 
concept: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBizi/Natura) and Culture 
(so people can upload old photos from their home fiestas: 
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBizi/Kultura). Each photo contest 
will have prizes and its own campaign.

== GLAM collaboration ==
Summer is for museums. Most museums here have started opening in the last week, 
and we want to help them and collaborate with them. We have written to all the 
museums in the Basque Country and some of them are answering. From the simplest 
collaboration (adding a line and a link to the travel guide) to a full day 
visit and collaboration to free some of their collection with wikimedians, we 
hope to have some GLAM activity during this summer. And who knows, may this be 
the beginning of a beatiful friendship. We have created a page for them: 
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiBizi/Museoak.

== WikiTakes ==
When wikimedians visit a place like a swarm, they tend to document everything. 
This is WikiTakes, a proposal we learnt from Wikimedia Spain 
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_Takes_by_Wikimedia_Espa%C3%B1a).
 We will try to adopt this kind of events this summer, and take villages or 
routes together. Of course, is about living a place showing that our towns are 
alive. That's why they won't be called WikiTakes but WikiBizi.

_

Best,

Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
It has been deleted. They TL has some RTs done in the previous days.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Gereon 
Kalkuhl 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:47 PM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

The Twitter link does not work.

Am 24.04.2020 um 15:16 schrieb Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga:
> Mmm... again?
> https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1253670025426202624
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:26 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism
>
> The concept "apolitical" does not exist if there is a goal.
>
> Nevertheless, for the future, a link to the article about "Earth" in all the 
> languages Wikimedia has would be the best solution.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Galder
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Yair 
> Rand 
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:27 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism
>
> This would not have happened had there been any oversight (community or
> otherwise), and it could have been pulled down quickly enough had there
> been any community members with the ability to edit the site. Perhaps it's
> time to reconsider how the WMF corporate site operates.
>
> I appreciate that the WMF is committed doing more thorough due diligence in
> the future. It's very important to do so. There's a very good reason why
> community consultation is required when dealing with any Collaborative
> Advocacy, but given that even existing requirements weren't followed, I'm
> not very optimistic that this new commitment holds weight.
>
> Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
> Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA to iron
> out clear boundaries on activism, explicitly rules out any political
> activism relating to environmental issues, stating:
>> Policy and political associations should protect and advance Wikimedia’s
> mission “to empower and engage people around the world to collect and
> develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain,
> and to disseminate it effectively and globally.” Accordingly, we will not
> support causes unrelated to or inconsistent with that mission. For example,
> no support should be given to: environmental issues; [...]"
>
> The WMF just inadvertently threw its weight behind dozens of controversial
> causes that have nothing to do with our mission. I hope that the WMF will
> manage to operate more appropriately in the future.
>
> --Yair Rand
>
> ‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 24 באפר׳ 2020 ב-1:18 מאת ‪Gregory Varnum‬‏ <‪
> gvar...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am responding on behalf of the Foundation in my capacity handling
>> movement communications, including managing any campaigns on
>> wikimediafoundation.org.
>>
>> As others from the Foundation have stated on this mailing list in the
>> past, from time to time the Wikimedia Foundation engages in public policy
>> matters which are aligned with the advancement of the Wikimedia mission or
>> our values as an organization.
>>
>> Having said that, we agree with some of the criticisms you have raised. We
>> had understood the Earth Day Live campaign to be both global and
>> apolitical. However, we agree that the final campaign was both more
>> US-centric and more political than we had understood in advance. The banner
>> is no longer running, and in the future we will do more thorough due
>> diligence.
>>
>> We remain strongly committed to climate sustainability as a value of the
>> Wikimedia Foundation. We will continue to advocate on behalf of it and
>> other values that uplift and advance free knowledge globally.
>>
>> I hope you all had a productive and safe Earth Day, and wish you all
>> continued health and safety.
>>
>> Yours,
>> -greg
>>
>> ---
>> Gregory Varnum
>> Communications Strategist
>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
>> gvar...@wikimedia.org
>> Pronouns: He/Him/His
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:07 AM, RhinosF1 -  wrote:
>>>
>>> Should this be posted on wiki for others to sign?
>>>
>>> Samuel
>>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 07:51, Fæ  wrote:
>>>
>>>> OPEN LETTER
>>>>
>>>> Dear Katherine Maher,
>>>>
>>>> The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org)
>>>> yester

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Mmm... again?
https://twitter.com/Wikimedia/status/1253670025426202624

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Galder 
Gonzalez Larrañaga 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 11:26 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

The concept "apolitical" does not exist if there is a goal.

Nevertheless, for the future, a link to the article about "Earth" in all the 
languages Wikimedia has would be the best solution.

Cheers,

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Yair 
Rand 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:27 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

This would not have happened had there been any oversight (community or
otherwise), and it could have been pulled down quickly enough had there
been any community members with the ability to edit the site. Perhaps it's
time to reconsider how the WMF corporate site operates.

I appreciate that the WMF is committed doing more thorough due diligence in
the future. It's very important to do so. There's a very good reason why
community consultation is required when dealing with any Collaborative
Advocacy, but given that even existing requirements weren't followed, I'm
not very optimistic that this new commitment holds weight.

Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA to iron
out clear boundaries on activism, explicitly rules out any political
activism relating to environmental issues, stating:
> Policy and political associations should protect and advance Wikimedia’s
mission “to empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain,
and to disseminate it effectively and globally.” Accordingly, we will not
support causes unrelated to or inconsistent with that mission. For example,
no support should be given to: environmental issues; [...]"

The WMF just inadvertently threw its weight behind dozens of controversial
causes that have nothing to do with our mission. I hope that the WMF will
manage to operate more appropriately in the future.

--Yair Rand

‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 24 באפר׳ 2020 ב-1:18 מאת ‪Gregory Varnum‬‏ <‪
gvar...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬

> Hi all,
>
> I am responding on behalf of the Foundation in my capacity handling
> movement communications, including managing any campaigns on
> wikimediafoundation.org.
>
> As others from the Foundation have stated on this mailing list in the
> past, from time to time the Wikimedia Foundation engages in public policy
> matters which are aligned with the advancement of the Wikimedia mission or
> our values as an organization.
>
> Having said that, we agree with some of the criticisms you have raised. We
> had understood the Earth Day Live campaign to be both global and
> apolitical. However, we agree that the final campaign was both more
> US-centric and more political than we had understood in advance. The banner
> is no longer running, and in the future we will do more thorough due
> diligence.
>
> We remain strongly committed to climate sustainability as a value of the
> Wikimedia Foundation. We will continue to advocate on behalf of it and
> other values that uplift and advance free knowledge globally.
>
> I hope you all had a productive and safe Earth Day, and wish you all
> continued health and safety.
>
> Yours,
> -greg
>
> ---
> Gregory Varnum
> Communications Strategist
> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> gvar...@wikimedia.org
> Pronouns: He/Him/His
>
> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:07 AM, RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> >
> > Should this be posted on wiki for others to sign?
> >
> > Samuel
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 07:51, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> >> OPEN LETTER
> >>
> >> Dear Katherine Maher,
> >>
> >> The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org)
> >> yesterday featured a full-page banner directing all visitors globally
> >> to https://www.earthdaylive2020.org. This is a site used for Americal
> >> political lobbying, refer to the email discussion attached.
> >>
> >> Could you, or the responsible member of your management team, please
> >> explain exactly how this happened?
> >>
> >> There is zero doubt that this was a serious operational error, misuse
> >> of WMF development time and a misuse of the Wikimedia brand. It is
> >> certain that you will agree that the buck stops with the CEO. The
> >> decision to use the Foundation's website for American lobbying is in
> >> conflict with your not for profit status and is in conflict with the
> &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
The concept "apolitical" does not exist if there is a goal.

Nevertheless, for the future, a link to the article about "Earth" in all the 
languages Wikimedia has would be the best solution.

Cheers,

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Yair 
Rand 
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 8:27 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

This would not have happened had there been any oversight (community or
otherwise), and it could have been pulled down quickly enough had there
been any community members with the ability to edit the site. Perhaps it's
time to reconsider how the WMF corporate site operates.

I appreciate that the WMF is committed doing more thorough due diligence in
the future. It's very important to do so. There's a very good reason why
community consultation is required when dealing with any Collaborative
Advocacy, but given that even existing requirements weren't followed, I'm
not very optimistic that this new commitment holds weight.

Also importantly, the Foundation's Policy and Political Association
Guideline, which was written by WMF Legal in the aftermath of SOPA to iron
out clear boundaries on activism, explicitly rules out any political
activism relating to environmental issues, stating:
> Policy and political associations should protect and advance Wikimedia’s
mission “to empower and engage people around the world to collect and
develop educational content under a free license or in the public domain,
and to disseminate it effectively and globally.” Accordingly, we will not
support causes unrelated to or inconsistent with that mission. For example,
no support should be given to: environmental issues; [...]"

The WMF just inadvertently threw its weight behind dozens of controversial
causes that have nothing to do with our mission. I hope that the WMF will
manage to operate more appropriately in the future.

--Yair Rand

‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 24 באפר׳ 2020 ב-1:18 מאת ‪Gregory Varnum‬‏ <‪
gvar...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬

> Hi all,
>
> I am responding on behalf of the Foundation in my capacity handling
> movement communications, including managing any campaigns on
> wikimediafoundation.org.
>
> As others from the Foundation have stated on this mailing list in the
> past, from time to time the Wikimedia Foundation engages in public policy
> matters which are aligned with the advancement of the Wikimedia mission or
> our values as an organization.
>
> Having said that, we agree with some of the criticisms you have raised. We
> had understood the Earth Day Live campaign to be both global and
> apolitical. However, we agree that the final campaign was both more
> US-centric and more political than we had understood in advance. The banner
> is no longer running, and in the future we will do more thorough due
> diligence.
>
> We remain strongly committed to climate sustainability as a value of the
> Wikimedia Foundation. We will continue to advocate on behalf of it and
> other values that uplift and advance free knowledge globally.
>
> I hope you all had a productive and safe Earth Day, and wish you all
> continued health and safety.
>
> Yours,
> -greg
>
> ---
> Gregory Varnum
> Communications Strategist
> Wikimedia Foundation 
> gvar...@wikimedia.org
> Pronouns: He/Him/His
>
> > On Apr 23, 2020, at 3:07 AM, RhinosF1 -  wrote:
> >
> > Should this be posted on wiki for others to sign?
> >
> > Samuel
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 at 07:51, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> >> OPEN LETTER
> >>
> >> Dear Katherine Maher,
> >>
> >> The WMF home website landing page (https://wikimediafoundation.org)
> >> yesterday featured a full-page banner directing all visitors globally
> >> to https://www.earthdaylive2020.org. This is a site used for Americal
> >> political lobbying, refer to the email discussion attached.
> >>
> >> Could you, or the responsible member of your management team, please
> >> explain exactly how this happened?
> >>
> >> There is zero doubt that this was a serious operational error, misuse
> >> of WMF development time and a misuse of the Wikimedia brand. It is
> >> certain that you will agree that the buck stops with the CEO. The
> >> decision to use the Foundation's website for American lobbying is in
> >> conflict with your not for profit status and is in conflict with the
> >> charitable status promoted to donors worldwide.
> >>
> >> If the management team and yourself are going to continuing political
> >> lobbying and using WMF resources to raise funds for Americal political
> >> organizations which have no agreed relevance to the mission of the
> >> Foundation, there must be a published transparent governance review by
> >> the WMF board of trustees to examine and agree on this significant
> >> operational change to the public Foundation strategy and the terms for
> >> the CEO.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance.
> >>
> >> Link to Phabricator task to implement the banner:
> >> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Що робить вас щасливими цього тижня? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 5 April 2020)

2020-04-15 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I decided to write/translate/create a featured article every month in Basque 
Wikipedia as a 2020 new year resolution. The home-confinement is helping me 
writing two of them in a month.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Amir 
E. Aharoni 
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 8:57 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Що робить вас щасливими цього тижня? / What's making 
you happy this week? (Week of 5 April 2020)

Two things!

1. Each of the last three weeks were the best ever for the Content
Translation extension. The usual number is between 2000 and 4000 per week,
and before March 2020, there was only one week with more than 5000 articles
published. In each of the last three weeks more than 5000 articles were
published, and this, of course, is awesome. I'm not sure what is the reason
for the surge—the pandemic, or some article writing contest, or something
else. As far as I can tell, the rise in the number of translations does not
cause more spam, vandalism, or bad translations, but I cannot check
thousands of translated articles in dozens of languages, so if anyone can
check whether the quality of the published articles is good, too, I'll be
happy to know more. You can see more numbers here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslationStats

2. Denny's Wikilambda proposal. It will be challenging to implement, but it
makes a lot of sense. Denny has been pitching it for some time, and the
latest paper published at http://wikilambda.org/ is the most detailed yet.

--
Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
http://aharoni.wordpress.com
‪“We're living in pieces,
I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬


‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 15 באפר׳ 2020 ב-9:38 מאת ‪Pine W‬‏ <‪wiki.p...@gmail.com
‬‏>:‬

> * Preface *
>
> Hello,
>
> I regret that I need to start this email by communicating that
> Clovermoss is on an unplanned absence. [1] I hoped that she would
> return by now and that she would send this email.
>
> I think that one WMYHTW thread is enough for one week, so I will not
> start a thread for the week of 12 April.
>
> The main content for this email is adapted from Clovermoss, and the
> text is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0
> Unported License. [2]
>
>
> * Main content *
>
> I realize that this week has been difficult for many around the world.
> I have mentioned this in previous weeks, but I think it's vital to
> express my sympathies each and every time. A pandemic like this has
> global ramifications, and I think it's important to recognize that for
> a lot of people, this week could have been one filled with hardship.
> There are people who have been laid off from their jobs, parents who
> are doing their best to take care of their children, students who have
> had to start taking classes online, and an endless amount of other
> unique situations.
>
> This week, some important milestones have been reached across the
> Wikimedia Movement. The Ukrainian Wikipedia [3] has reached the 1
> million article milestone. That's a huge milestone to reach, so I wish
> to congratulate everyone who contributes there! I asked Ата, an active
> contributor to the Ukrainian Wikipedia, about how this milestone
> affects the project. [4] I found her response insightful, and I am
> thankful for it.
>
> In addition, the The Wikimedia Community of the Kazakh language User
> Group has officially been recognized by the Affiliations Commitee. For
> more information, see [5] and [6].
>
> I have also discovered inspiring off-wiki initiatives, such as the
> Mozilla Open Source Support Team (abbreviated as MOSS) launching a
> COVID-19 Solutions Fund. Awards of up to $50,000 are being offered to
> open source technology projects. [7]
>
>
> * Closing comments *
>
> Translations of the subject line of this email would be appreciated on
> Meta. [8] Thanks to User:Ата [9] for the Ukranian translation.
>
> What’s making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any
> language. You are also welcome to start a WMYHTW thread next week.
>
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Clovermoss
> [2]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License
> [3] https://uk.wikipedia.org/
> [4]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0=prev=19952931
> [5]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_of_Kazakh_language_User_Group
> [6]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_of_Kazakh_language_User_Group
> [7]
> https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2020/03/31/moss-launches-covid-19-solutions-fund/
> [8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine/WMYHTW_translations
> [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:%D0%90%D1%82%D0%B0
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia during a quarantine

2020-03-16 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Hello!
Millions of students are in forced quarantine these days, so in the Basque 
Wikipedia we are doing an effort to offer teachers activities they can do with 
their students online. It's being a hard work, but this crisis is a good 
opportunity to spread the relationship between Wikimedia

You can see our main education page here: 
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza

Are you doing similar efforts in your countries?

Thanks

Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Save the date: WikiGap Challenge

2020-03-05 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
FYI: You can use UKBot to make the count automatically: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:UKBot.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Eric 
Luth 
Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:48 AM
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Save the date: WikiGap Challenge

Dear all,

A quick save the date:

On *Sunday 8 March*, the International Women's Day, we are launching
the WikiGap
Challenge  [1] for the
second year in a row.

The aim of the challenge, which will run until 8 April, is to create and
improve articles to strengthen Wikipedia's coverage of women and related
topics in as many languages as possible.

This year, we are teaming up with UN Human Rights Office. A set of articles
 [2] on women
active in human rights will give bonus points, and the winner of the
challenge will get an opportunity to participate for a couple of days in
some events organised by UN Human Rights on the margins of the June session
of the Human Rights Council in Geneva.

The challenge is a part of the *WikiGap campaign
*, [3] co-organized by the Swedish
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Wikimedia Sverige, Swedish embassies and
Wikimedia affiliates and volunteers across the world.

Sign up  as
a participant already now! We look forward to seeing you in the competition
:-)

Best,
*Eric Luth*
Projektledare engagemang och påverkan | Project Manager, Involvement and
Advocacy
Wikimedia Sverige
eric.l...@wikimedia.se
+46 (0) 765 55 50 95

Stöd fri kunskap, bli medlem i Wikimedia Sverige.
Läs mer på blimedlem.wikimedia.se

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap_Challenge
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap_Challenge/List
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap_Challenge/Participants
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-20 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Mmm... How can such a relevant topic be discussed oficially at Facebook?

This is, by far, the worst way to do it.

2020 urt. 20 9:48 AM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Peter Southwood 
):

Thanks for the heads-up, Mike,
P

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of 
Mike Peel
Sent: 20 January 2020 00:29
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

This meta RfC might be of interest:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia

Gracias,
Mike

> On 19 Jan 2020, at 08:54:12, geni  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done
>> collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money.
>> This is not one of them.
>
> Eh questionable. The community is difficult to engage at the best of
> times and tends to be reflexively conservative about such things. It
> may well be that it is impossible to get any meaningful agreement on
> rebranding.
>
>> I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on.
>
> This kind of thing has happened from time to time despite significant
> staff turnover over the years. Probably just a natural function of
> certain organisations. All we can really do is try and limit the
> damage.
>
>> but I've had enough of poor coordination,
>
> Unavoidable from time to time since there is too much going on for any
> one person to keep track of.
>
>> questionable financial decisions,
>
> Again a function of size. It would frankly be concerning if every
> editor agreed with every financial decisions. There is also the long
> standing problem of balancing the risk of wasting money with the risk
> of paralysis.
>
>
>
>
> --
> geni
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-05 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks for the clarification and the insights. This could be a really 
interesting organizative model for huge countries, even for countries with more 
than one chapter but not a country level one, as happens in the USA.

2019 urr. 5 4:38 PM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad 
Fatkullin ):

Hi folks,

I can probably comment this, as a member of both Wikimedia Russia and a Tatar 
language-specific UG.
On top of participation in Wikimedia Language Diversity initiative on meta, I 
am also contemplating and working towards starting a territory-specific UG for 
my region + an incubator UG for more language-specific UG in the languages of 
Russia.

Wikimedians of Russia seem to see the matreshkas of (1) "global conference - 
regional conference - topic-specific conferences"  & (2) WMF & affiliates 
general meeting - national chapters - UGs" as natural structures, each 
addressing different tasks, having different priorities, whilst cooperating in 
various projects.

* Wikimedia Russia legal requirements (in-person quorum for decision-making, 
etc.) doesn't allow us to accept into membership all members of all our 
regional, language or topic specific UGs. So our chapter is evolving towards a 
mixed confederation status, selectively welcoming some members from various 
groupings around Russia (which themselves can't be neither cells nor branches 
of WMRU).

* SPB is not purely a city, but a one of 85 provinces (read states) of the 
Russian Federation (like my home Republic of Tatarstan, neighbouring Republic 
of Bashkortostan with its Bashkir Wiki-grandmas, or a city of Moscow).

* Once we will spin out UG MSK, we will complete transforming Wikimedia Russia 
into a collective entity for join tasks, working on national-level advocacy & 
other projects.

* We currently have 5 existing UGs, have two more filed & at least one more at 
the preparation stage - as this is a good way to engage locally or topically 
interested public into Wikimedia universe.

regards,
farhad

--
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Wikipedia:frhdkazan / Wikidata:Q34036417

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[Wikimedia-l] Announcing the extension of funding by the Basque Government

2019-09-18 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear wikimedians,
Three years have gone since we started with the Basque Wikimedians User Group 
Education Program, funded by the Basque Government. After two years and a half 
of great enhancing of Basque Wikipedia (more than 2.500 students adding more 
than 1.5 million words on fundamental topics) the Basque Government has 
announce us today the extension of the funding for four more years.

In this four years we will try to strengthen our Educaton Program but also open 
to new areas in order to make our knowledge equity vision possible. By 2024 we 
will have taken sure steps towards creating a free knowledge ecosystem centered 
at Wikimedia.

Sincerely,

Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-07 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
By the way, the solution is really easy: The Wiki Foundation.

2019 ira. 7 1:39 PM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Lucas Werkmeister 
):

On 06.09.19 05:49, Zack McCune wrote:
>3.
>
>Supporting sister projects

I am extremely wary of this phrasing. Instead of a family of projects
working together towards a shared goal, to me this invokes the image of
a big, central Wikipedia who graciously supports the other,
insignificant projects out of the goodness of her heart. As a Wikidata
editor, that is not how I want my relation to this movement characterized.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-06 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I think a rebranding to Wikipedia is the best branding option but, at the same 
time, I aknowledge that this can cause a wide variety of problems to so many 
people inside our community that doing it without a plan to give safety (not 
only legal, as their lives could be compromised) is a bigger danger than the 
benefits it causes.



2019 ira. 6 10:41 PM erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Isaac Olatunde 
):

We sometimes spend several minutes trying to explain to potentials partners
the difference between Wikipedia and Wikimedia and the relationship between
them.

In most cases we just use "Wikipedia" so as to not confuse them.

Of course some people would share an opposing view for many reasons but I
do think this rebranding is important.

Regards

Isaac

On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, 9:29 PM Strainu  Pe vineri, 6 septembrie 2019, Adrian Raddatz  a
> scris:
>
> > Yet another potentially good idea from the Foundation killed by the usual
> > atrocious style of stakeholder management. No benefits framed for the
> > community,
>
>
>
> >
> > no indication that this change is coming from the bottom up,
>
>
> Huh? Have you seriously never seen people asking the difference between
> Wikipedia and Wikimedia or wiki(m|p) edians complaining about how hard it
> is to explain that difference?
>
> This change is very much a bottom up one, even if it is pushed by the WMF
> using corporate procedures rather than by the community using an RfC.
>
>
>
> > no
> > assurance that this change happens or not based on the results of the
> > consultation.
>
>
> I would say that it was pretty clear the change will happen :)
>
> Strainu
>
> >
> > You can't figure out the benefits to the community - your key stakeholder
> > group - entirely as part of the consultation. You need to frame the
> > consultation as figuring out how to achieve pre-identified benefits to
> your
> > stakeholders in the optimal way. You should also try to get buy-in from
> key
> > community groups *before* you start consulting, and use them as part of
> the
> > consultation, so it stops being Foundation vs. the community and turns
> into
> > the Foundation collaboratively supporting community-led ideas.
> >
> > It pains me to see this being done poorly, time and time again.
> >
> > Adrian Raddatz
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 3:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > After the last disastrous WMF intervention in Wikipedia - Framgate - I
> > > believe the timing is just perfect for the WMF to go forward with this
> > fit
> > > of creativity of branding themselves as the "Wikipedia Foundation".
> > >
> > > It's one after another, and never stops.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Paulo
> > >
> > > Yaroslav Blanter  escreveu no dia sexta, 6/09/2019
> > à(s)
> > > 18:25:
> > >
> > > > I agree with Fae. I strongly oppose the proposal, and I somehow used
> to
> > > > assume that our opinion would be asked in a structured way.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Yaroslav
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 7:03 PM Fæ  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If the WMF is going to make statements that are not derived from
> all
> > > > > the demonstrable facts, perhaps the community should now respond
> with
> > > > > a completely unambiguous RFC on meta so there can be no doubt?
> > > > >
> > > > > Something along the lines of:
> > > > > "The WMF have employed Wolff Olins for rebranding advice, and they
> > > > > recommend that Wikimedia rebrands itself around the word
> "Wikipedia"
> > > > > and projects like Wikimedia Commons are renamed to "Wikicommons" to
> > > > > ensure marketing of the projects can easily be delivered by the
> WMF.
> > > > > Do you support or oppose this rebranding programme?"
> > > > >
> > > > > With a straightforward RFC to keep on linking to in every
> discussion
> > > > > on every venue, we might then have tangible evidence of whether
> > "There
> > > > > is considerable support for the branding proposal" or "There is
> > > > > considerable opposition for the branding proposal" is factual.
> Rather
> > > > > than drifting along for months with the debate and unhappiness that
> > > > > comes from arguing both sides of a mostly political case without
> > > > > firmly verifiable evidence available or relying on complex and less
> > > > > credible stats from surveys that are likely to suffer from embedded
> > > > > bias, especially considering the already banked investment in
> > > > > consultancy that drives the need to change something, to prove the
> > > > > spent money had impact and "value".
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Zack and others, it's best to avoid the word "collaboration"
> > when
> > > > > communicating with an international group. It has unfortunate
> history
> > > > > and gives the impression that you are quoting views from
> > collaborators
> > > > > rather than holding open collegial discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Fae
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 at 17:19, Diane Ranville <
> > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which script oral language will use anyway?

2019-09-02 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
This is a really interesting topic. Those who are used to the latin script 
normally don't get the difficulties to answer this question, but it can be a 
real challenge. An alphanumeric random code could be an answer, but we are 
still in the same point!

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
Subhashish Panigrahi 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 9:25 PM
To: langua...@lists.wikimedia.org 
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Which script oral language will use anyway?

Dear Wikimedians,

Some of you might be recovering from the Wikimania fatigue. Those of you
who have already recovered, I wanted to pick your brain about something
that came up multiple times during discussions but none really seem to have
a clear answer.

Which script (writing system) an oral language speaker would use for
creating an entry on (gateway [1]) projects like Wiktionary or Wikibooks or
even uploading a list of words on Commons using a tool like Lingua Libre?
Will it be the script used for the official language of the region where
the former language is from?[2] This is a bit controversial as native
speakers of many indigenous languages would see this as a form of
colonization. Will it be the w:International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA)? This
is probably the least controversial but a common and average user might not
be able to read IPA as the latter was created by linguists and was created
for linguistic and scholarly studies rather than for everyday use.

Wikimedians who are native speakers of languages with less written/recorded
documentation and individuals who work on such languages are more
encouraged to share their inputs based on past experience.

1. Gateway project: This is a made-up term to define the Wikimedia projects
that are more welcoming to newbies and do not require stringent citation as
almost all oral languages would lack that. It was fascinating to see Amir
challenging that it only takes about 30 seconds to add an entry to
Wiktionary (
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Amir_Aharoni_demonstrating_how_to_add_an_entry_to_Wiktionary_in_any_language_to_Ingrid_Cumming,_Wikimania_2019,_Stockholm,_Sweden.jpg
)

Subhashish
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Lane for the clarification. I disagree on some points, but it is useful 
to read the points.

Galder

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:34 PM
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wiki norms which seem to have been transgressed -

   - recognition that the program and submitted content was unusual and
   extraordinary
   - lack of on-wiki documentation of program
   - lack of links between submitted content and on-wiki documentation
   - lack of small pilot before collecting the attention of many new
   Wikimedia contributors doing something unusual
   - failure to tag participants in the program as being connected to the
   program and its documentation

It is not the fault of your program and organization that you did not do
these things. The documentation for all this should have been in place from
~2013, because this situation happens repeatedly. Unfortunately we as a
movement are losing tremendous value in institutional engagement and
donations for lack of documentation. I would guess that in the United
States we identify hot leads for about 10 organizations to pay their staff
to do wiki programs which have a salary cost of US$50,000 in addition to
the value of their media contributions. Globally the amount of content lost
for lack of documentation could be 1 million / year, when conceivably we
could stop a lot of this loss with a one-time investment in training
material development.

Programs have to follow rules. The rules are not published but lots of
people know them. It seems like as a movement we prefer the damage of
opportunity costs in favor of risky or more expensive administrative
development. I feel like if somehow you had connected to a guide for what
to do, then with preparation none of these problems would have happened.

I do not blame the moderators. If these moderators had not reached this
decision, then almost any other moderator would have reached the same
decision. The moderators are well trained and precise in the sense that
they tend to uniformly make the same evaluations in situations. Besides the
reviewers that you saw issue judgement, at least 5 times as many people
reviewed the case and declined to comment or make their presence known.
Those quiet people agreed with the discussion.

You and everyone else deserve clear documentation and guidance. For our
inability to create this and deliver it to you, I apologize and have
regret.

On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 10:13 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry Lane... which " wiki publishing norm" did we fail?
>
> Thanks
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of
> Lane Rasberry 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:01 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach
>
> I see the problem as lack of access to basic training information.
>
> It appears that the team doing the uploads failed to comply to wiki
> publishing norms. I do not see this as a problem between editors and
> moderators, but rather as being between who editors versus our rules.
>
> Wikimedia projects already have an low quality standard. The two most
> common complaints that Wikipedia gets are #2 Wikipedia publishes low
> quality content and #1 Wikipedia's quality standards are too high. I see
> this issue as a complaint for us to lower quality.
>
> The answer is not to lower the quality of our content, but rather to
> communicate more effectively the standard of quality that we require. With
> our standards already being so low, requiring things like proof of legal
> compliance, minimal verifiability, and having brief civil conversations in
> case of difficulty, it is challenging for me to imagine us reducing any of
> these already reasonable expectations.
>
> If anyone wants to meet professional Wikimedia colleagues for institutional
> partnerships then here is a Wikimedia community organization which supports
> Wikimedians in Residence with a monthly online meetup and some conversation
> space.
> WREN - Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_in_Residence_Exchange_Network
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:46 AM Yann Forget  wrote:
>
> > Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 15:32, Andy Mabbett  a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:50, Yann Forget  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was
> > previously
> > > > published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons.
> > >
> > > Really? can you provide a link to a policy age proving that assertion?
> > >
> > > Your claim rather makes a mockery of the suggestion that pe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Sorry Lane... which " wiki publishing norm" did we fail?

Thanks

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Lane 
Rasberry 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 4:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

I see the problem as lack of access to basic training information.

It appears that the team doing the uploads failed to comply to wiki
publishing norms. I do not see this as a problem between editors and
moderators, but rather as being between who editors versus our rules.

Wikimedia projects already have an low quality standard. The two most
common complaints that Wikipedia gets are #2 Wikipedia publishes low
quality content and #1 Wikipedia's quality standards are too high. I see
this issue as a complaint for us to lower quality.

The answer is not to lower the quality of our content, but rather to
communicate more effectively the standard of quality that we require. With
our standards already being so low, requiring things like proof of legal
compliance, minimal verifiability, and having brief civil conversations in
case of difficulty, it is challenging for me to imagine us reducing any of
these already reasonable expectations.

If anyone wants to meet professional Wikimedia colleagues for institutional
partnerships then here is a Wikimedia community organization which supports
Wikimedians in Residence with a monthly online meetup and some conversation
space.
WREN - Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_in_Residence_Exchange_Network



On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 9:46 AM Yann Forget  wrote:

> Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 15:32, Andy Mabbett  a
> écrit :
>
> > On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:50, Yann Forget  wrote:
> >
> > > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was
> previously
> > > published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons.
> >
> > Really? can you provide a link to a policy age proving that assertion?
> >
> > Your claim rather makes a mockery of the suggestion that people should
> > publish to, for example, Flickr before importing to commons
> >
>
> Unless the external publication is done with a free license, of course.
> AFAIK, there is no "official" suggestion that people should publish to
> Flickr before importing to Commons.
> This is the primary evidence when images are deleted as copyright
> violation.
> Others may be watermarks, copyright mentions in EXIF data, etc.
>
> > I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by
> > > OTRS.
> >
> > Feel free to raise an RfC to make that policy if you think it would
> > gather support.
>
>
> This is simply a consequence of the above.
> If images of professional quality are imported to Commons after being
> published elsewhere, their copyright status will be questioned,
> and rightly so. Now if these images are only published on Commons, fine,
> but the objective of a professional is to sell his images, not to give them
> away for free.
> In addition, many professionals use stock image agencies (Getty, etc.),
> which often requires exclusivity, and therefore prevent publication under a
> free license.
>
> Regards, Yann
> PS: I am probably one of the most inclusive admins on Commons (or less
> strict regarding copyright issues), so if you think yelling at me would
> solve the issue, you are mistaken. I really want Commons to improve, and I
> am open to critics, that's why I come here to discuss, but do not shoot the
> messenger.
>
> --
> > Andy Mabbett
> > @pigsonthewing
> > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
In this case none of the images and videos were published outside Commons. But 
there were claims that this were Derivative Works. We are again in the same 
point: we are asking for uploaders to fulfill something beyond the usual 
uploading duties.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Yann 
Forget 
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 6:43 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

The issue is not in that way.
If you published an image exclusively on Commons, then no problem.
If you first publish an image outside Commons, how do we know that you are
the author?
OK, there may be some factors to prove that (consistency of EXIF data,
etc.), but in the absence of EXIF data, we the issue remain.

Regards,
Yann
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Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 10:00, John Erling Blad  a écrit :

> Again; what is different between me as a photographer taking pictures for a
> newspaper and me as a photograper taking pictures for Commons? Is it the
> name written om the lens? The shoes I'm wearing?
>
> There are no difference, this is a fallacy.
>
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
>
>
> tir. 14. mai 2019, 05.50 skrev Yann Forget :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was previously
> > published elsewhere before being uploaded to Commons.
> > I think professional photographers should have their account confirmed by
> > OTRS.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Yann Forget
> > Jai Jagat 2020 Grand March Coordinator
> > https://www.jaijagat2020.org/
> > +91-74 34 93 33 58 (also WhatsApp)
> >
> >
> >
> > Le lun. 13 mai 2019 à 16:56, John Erling Blad  a
> écrit :
> >
> > > I can imagine a bot comparing photos found by Google (ie. comparing
> > > hashes) but not a system extracting some kind of unique feature that
> > > says an image is a copyright violation. So how do you imagine ORES
> > > being used for copyright violations? I can't see how a copyright
> > > violation would have any kind of feature that is exclusive? The
> > > argument is quite simple; I as a photographer for a newspaper could
> > > take the exact same pictures as I as an amateur photographer. (I have
> > > photographed a lot for various newspapers.) Using the same equipment,
> > > and me being me, what is different?
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:21 PM Amir Sarabadani 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support
> > for
> > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the
> > > amount of
> > > > > material it has to deal with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Yaroslav
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
> > > benjaminik...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or
> > capable
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several
> > > > > GLAM-related
> > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing
> > > what it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can
> > > create a
> > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with
> > > Common's
> > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote
> you
> > > > > project
> > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do
> > something
> > > > > > similar.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds  of copyright
> violating
> > > > > files a
> > > > > > > day:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > See the list from just one day:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to
> cope
> > > with
> > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after
> some
> > > time -
> > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the
> > other
> > > > > issue
> > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents.
> > > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
cherry-picking one random file, with no consistent approach. 
So how many times for example I found files from the USA where there is no FOP 
for statues deleted maybe if uploaded by the European users but not by the 
American ones. Because of course if you did delete them all (as you should),  
enwikipedia community will notice and it will be a bigger deal.. it's a problem 
when all images of a monument disappear, right? So let's delete some random 
files, and vanish when somebody point out the other ones, just to repeat the 
same pattern somewhere else after a while. That's why it's so easy to find en-N 
users from the USA who have limited clue with rule of FOP. Now, the users who 
perform this type of deletion pattern will dislike any tools or preference who 
simply encourage to do it in a consistent way... they are expert and they know 
how categories work, if they don't complete the job is probably because they 
don't want to. If we get close to the issue, we manage to get around some "the 
newbes will misuse it" or "its a delicate matter", I guess the "good faith " 
clause will appear.

So, we keep a random patrolling and retropatrolling on this issue, which means 
poor overall copyright literacy, angry users because of the procedural 
incoherence and in the end a huge backlog (since the bulk of the files remain 
there). Take this dynamics, in other fields, with different nuances, multiplied 
by a dozens of different legal and workload scenarios and voilà. You have one 
of the reason of our current situation.

I guess there is no tool which can fix that, it's just the way a community 
really wants to be. Tools can help to encourage people to think differently of 
course, but I fear that would be a strong resistance.

A. M:


Il lunedì 13 maggio 2019, 16:56:49 CEST, Samuel Klein  
ha scritto:

 Ditto.  But did not have the impression that this was {a, the} pressing
need.
Perhaps we also need better ways to highlight workload overloads (and
continue conversations about them through time, rather than sporadic
proposals of specific implementations that can easily fail) to stimulate
cross-project brainstorming to solve the most pressing problems of scale

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> I have a fairly good understanding of copyright. Deal with a fair bit of
> copyright issues occurring via paid editing and flicker washing of images
> and would be happy to do admin work around that if the Commons community
> was interested.
>
> James
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:00 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wikimedia project communities in general seem to be quite stagnant, if
> not
> > declining, apart from Wikidata, which is and always will be a whole
> > different case. In the case of Commons it was already very much as it is
> > now when I joined in 2009. I always found it a very pleasant place, but
> > overtime I understood I was the exception there, and most people had bad
> > experiences. And it is as Yann has shown there, it's a few sysops running
> > the entire show almost alone, not because they want that, but because
> > nobody else helps with that.
> >
> > IMO the problem is not with the existing sysops, but because people in
> > general do not feel attracted to copyright and other similar minucious
> > stuff which marks everyday life in Commons. And, without that knowledge
> it
> > is pointless, if not counterproductive, to place a candidacy to sysop. No
> > idea what the solution could be, but it certainly is not blaming Commons
> > and the existing sysops. If more people was interested in copyright, less
> > mistakes would be happening in Commons as well. Whatever the solution is,
> > it probably passes by that.
> >
> > Best,
> > Paulo
> >
> > Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga  escreveu no dia
> segunda,
> > 13/05/2019 à(s) 07:09:
> >
> > > A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And
> > > maybe (maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed
> here.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
But the problem here is not about having a good coverage on copyright issues! 
Is about deleting things claiming that are DW without specifying what is the 
original work this files are derived from!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
In which sense weren't those instructions followed correctly?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And maybe 
(maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed here.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Well.. there where instructions. All the videos were supervised before 
uploading, all the songs were perfectly cited at the descriptions and all the 
own work was marked as own work. This are the instructiones to follow when 
uploading to Commons.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Peter 
Southwood 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 7:59 PM
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It seems to be a situation where there were no clear instructions, so people 
did what they thought was a good idea, but others thought it was a bad idea. No 
communications, now the blame is being spread without analysing the problem and 
proposing a solution. Not an unusual situation really.
Cheers,
Peter

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Hello all,

There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the Commons components
of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a highly
hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the Education
Newsletter

https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions

As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach project
uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on Commons
deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student projects and
so concluded they were copyright violations.  But some rather odd remarks
were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded copyrighted
content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that doesn't care." and
 "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud storage for
images you intend to use on Wikipedia ".

Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?

Thrapostibongles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
As I am the author of the post, some remarks:

  *   Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of the 
Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place is unfair 
and nonsense.
  *   Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to think on 
experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying to convince to 
upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't know how to communicate 
and why they must do it.
  *   The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the author. 
Period.
  *   Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying which is the 
original work is not a good practice.
  *   Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great job-queue. 
But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this can take a whole year 
of volunteer work.
  *   After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was able to 
point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone.

Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have less 
problems.

Cheers

Galder

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I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on
commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from
cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work.

Vito

Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman 
ha scritto:

> It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested in
> having more admins?
>
> James
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ  wrote:
>
> > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay for
> > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a
> > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be
> > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to see
> > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be
> > reduced.[1]
> >
> > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping
> > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make mass
> > housekeeping very easy.
> >
> > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image
> > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons hat
> > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use than
> > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to suck
> > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available.
> >
> > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, that
> > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were
> > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive short
> > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful
> > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away.
> >
> > Links
> > 1.
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Google_has_opened_an_API_for_image_recognition
> > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash
> >
> > Fae
> >
> > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support
> for
> > > images that might be copyright violation, or both.
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the
> > amount of
> > > > material it has to deal with.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Yaroslav
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
> > benjaminik...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or
> capable
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several
> > > > GLAM-related
> > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing
> > what it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can
> > create a
> > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with
> > Common's
> > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote you
> > > > project
> > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do
> something
> > > > > similar.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but on
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Well, that Wikidata problem happens on English Wikipedia. Some Wikipedias 
(Basque, Catalan, even French) are embracing Wikidata extensively.

And there's the branding issue. Maybe Wikipedia is not THE future.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
OpenWiki would be an even stranger and less known brand!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Andrew for the insights. I agree with most of what you have proposed.

Actually there's a way to make everything easier: The Wiki Foundation. But it 
would create new problems with non-WMF-wikis.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I also think that there are some branding issues, but let me focus just in the 
opposite way: Wikimedia is not a bug, is a feature. When you say you represent 
WikiMedia, then someone asks about why an M ad not a P and gives you the 
opportunity to talk about our free knowledge ecosystem, that is not about an 
Encyclopedia, is much more. So deleting the M from the equation would vanish 
even more our sister projects.

On the other hand, think that maybe in 2022 (for example) we could create a new 
project based entirely on videos with free content from Wikipedia and Commons, 
that could be the best project by 2030... and we call it Wikivideo. Would still 
be a good idea to be called Wikivideo, a project by the Wikipedia Foundation, 
or would we start thinking on calling ourselves The Wikivideo Foundation? I 
think that being Wikimedia gives us better opportunities to make better 
decisions on our products than identifying totally with one of the products.

And I think there are branding issues, yes, but this are not on the name, but 
on the product and the logo families.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
Strainu 
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 10:56 AM
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Pe marți, 9 aprilie 2019, Chris Keating  a
scris:

> > At the occasion, we should also reconsider the expressions "chapter"
> > and "user group".
> > "Chapter" is more suitable for local divisions of a national
> > association. And "user group" sounds just like some group. We also
> > already have "user group" as a technical term in MediaWiki.
> >
>
> You may be aware that the movement strategy process is thinking about this
> issue, albeit at a broader level :)
>
> For instance one of the questions the Roles and Responsibilities group is
> looking at is "What governance and organizational structures do we need to
> support the delivery of the strategic direction?"(1)


One would hope that both that group as well as others will be informed and
will take into account the results of the study, which confirm anecdotic
data that almost anyone doing outreach knows.

This is not a matter to be left at  the foundation's sole discretion
(although I personally approve the proposals to various degrees).

Strainu

>
> You will notice that there is no mention of chapters, user groups or indeed
> the WMF in this question. That's because there is no presumption that any
> of those bodies (or types of bodies) will continue to exist in their
> current form - the changes from the strategy process may well be much more
> profound than finessing the names of categories of entity that currently
> exist.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> (1)
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_
> Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Scoping_questions
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Programs & Events Dashboard

2019-04-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks!
I prefer students to work directly on Wiki and not on the Dashboard, as they 
don't understand why they are in a completely different page that doesn't seem 
to be related to Wikipedia. But this is useful for some courses.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Sage 
Ross 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:13 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Programs & Events Dashboard

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 10:28 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I'm interested in the IP limit issue.. could you explain how it works,
> please?
>
> Thanks
>
> Galder
>

If you are one of the facilitators for a program or course on Programs &
Events Dashboard, there will be a button to "Enable account requests" on
the home tab. Once you enable account requests, there are two ways to use
the feature.

A user who follows the enrollment link and is not logged in will have the
option to request an account by entering their email address and desired
username. (The Dashboard will verify that the username is available before
they can submit the request.) Then, the facilitator will be able to see a
message when they view the program page, saying that there is a requested
account waiting to be created. They can click to approve it — at which
point, the Dashboard will create the account (and MediaWiki will email them
the temporary password), and also add that user as an editor for that
program.

A facilitator can also create a new account (and add it to the program)
directly, by entering an email and desired username on the Editors tab.
This is useful especially for in-person events like editathons, so that
those without accounts can get set up immediately upon arriving (rather
than needing to follow a link on their own computer).

How it works behind the scenes is that the facilitator or Dashboard admin
who clicks to create the account will attempt to do the account creation
action through OAuth with their own account (eg,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/Meredithdrum ), but if they
cannot do so because of the IP limit, the account will be created by
User:OutreachDashboardBot instead:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log/OutreachDashboardBot

The feature can also be enabled by default for an entire campaign.

We built the initial account creation feature for Art+Feminism 2018, but
this year, we added the OutreachDashboardBot fallback so event organizers
to request Account Creator rights (which is what most people running an Art
+ Feminism event did in 2018).

-Sage
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Programs & Events Dashboard

2019-04-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I'm interested in the IP limit issue.. could you explain how it works, please?

Thanks

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Sage 
Ross 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 6:18 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Programs & Events Dashboard

The Wikimedia Community Tech team is in the final stretch of their
Community Wishlist 2017 work and recently announced the beta launch of
the 'Event Metrics' project they worked on for the #3 wish. Since the
initial proposal [1] was to improve Wiki Education's program
organizing and metrics tool Programs & Events Dashboard [2], we've
heard from a lot of people worried that Event Metrics [3] is supposed
to be a replacement for the Dashboard or that the Dashboard is going
away.

To clear up any potential confusion: Wiki Education will keep
supporting Programs & Events Dashboard as part of our commitment to
making our technology work as useful as possible to the rest of the
Wikimedia movement. Our newly-expanded Technology department, along
with many awesome volunteers and interns, is more committed than ever
to improving the Dashboard as tool for global programs, because it's
been so essential for many of you.

Programs & Events Dashboard recently passed the milestone of 4,000
programs, from more than 100 different wikis, and more than 28,000
editors have logged in [4].

For those who haven't used it before, or haven't done so in a while,
some of the useful features include:

* Account registration for in-person edit-a-thons  — to avoid getting
stopped by the IP limit for new accounts
* Automatically updated metrics for articles edited, number of edits,
Commons uploads, etc. [5]
* Additional downloadable metrics, including 7-day retention of new
editors, the complete list of edits made
* For English and Portuguese Wikipedia, tools for monitoring which
articles are involved in deletion processes [6]
* Translatable, wiki-editable training modules for newcomers [7]
* For all the languages with ORES "article quality" models, extra data
and visualizations based on ORES estimates

We have some additional features planned for the near future as well:

* Metrics for number of citations added
* Wikidata metrics for claims created and references added

If you have feature requests or complaints, please do let us know
either on the Meta talk page [8] or by opening an issue on GitHub [9].
Our team is small, so we rely heavily on the feedback we get from
Programs & Events Dashboard users to identify problems and make
improvements.

-Sage Ross
Wiki Education



[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2017/Programs_and_events/Development_of_the_programs_and_events_dashboard
[2] https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/
[3] https://eventmetrics.wmflabs.org/
[4] https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/usage
[5] 
https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/Wikimedia_ZA/Wiki_Loves_Africa_2019_South_Africa/home
[6] https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/artfeminism_2019/alerts
[7] 
https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/training/editing-wikipedia/editing-basics/welcome-new-editor
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard
[9] 
https://github.com/WikiEducationFoundation/WikiEduDashboard/issues/new/choose

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
From the first text:

" Explore new naming conventions for the Foundation and affiliate groups that 
use Wikipedia rather than Wikimedia."

I also think that Wikipedia is a much stronger brand than Wikimedia is, but I 
have been talking about this issue the last weeks in different places with way 
very different people and they all say that they will have real problems if 
they change the name from Wikimedia to Wikipedia. Legal issues will be more 
common if the name convention is changed from Wikimedia to Wikipedia, as you 
can be responsible (country law's depending) of what it is written on Wikipedia.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Chris 
Keating 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 6:39 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

> At the occasion, we should also reconsider the expressions "chapter"
> and "user group".
> "Chapter" is more suitable for local divisions of a national
> association. And "user group" sounds just like some group. We also
> already have "user group" as a technical term in MediaWiki.
>

You may be aware that the movement strategy process is thinking about this
issue, albeit at a broader level :)

For instance one of the questions the Roles and Responsibilities group is
looking at is "What governance and organizational structures do we need to
support the delivery of the strategic direction?"(1)

You will notice that there is no mention of chapters, user groups or indeed
the WMF in this question. That's because there is no presumption that any
of those bodies (or types of bodies) will continue to exist in their
current form - the changes from the strategy process may well be much more
profound than finessing the names of categories of entity that currently
exist.

Thanks,

Chris



(1)
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Roles_%26_Responsibilities#Scoping_questions
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Think of Wikipedia Russia convincing Russian government that they are not 
really Wikipedia Russia.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
Benjamin Ikuta 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 4:21 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals



What real life problems would there be?



On Apr 9, 2019, at 6:11 AM, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga  
wrote:

> The idea of rebranding Wikimedia to Wikipedia will create FAR more problems 
> than it solves, specially in places where identifying ourselves with 
> Wikipedia could create real life problems to affiliates. Let's think on 
> making our product better, because is not a brand problem, is an obsolescence 
> problem what we have.
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
> Gerard Meijssen 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:36 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals
>
> Hoi,
> The problem is that Wikipedia has an article bound interest. Our aim is to
> share in the sum of all knowledge and it is about subjects. In addition to
> this the approach and `the lessons learned` in effect are used as a
> template on how `other` Wikipedias are to function. This bias hinder, even
> prevent other possible approaches.
>
> Using Wikipedia to define what Wikimedia does, enforces existing bias and
> hinders our mission.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 11:25, James Salsman  wrote:
>
>> Hi Elena,
>>
>> If by "branding project" you mean replacing references to Wikimedia
>> with Wikipedia, that is fine with me.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jim
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elena Lappen  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thanks to those of you who have participated in the branding project
>>> community consultation so far. We’ve received a lot of helpful feedback
>> via
>>> email, on-wiki, and in small meetings with affiliate group members and
>>> individual contributors.
>>>
>>> I posted this invitation to the project talk page last week [1], but
>> wanted
>>> to send a reminder here that we will be hosting a video conference
>> session
>>> to give people a chance to see the presentation, ask questions and
>> provide
>>> feedback.
>>>
>>> When? This Thursday, April 11th from 16:00-17:00 UTC.
>>>
>>> Where? https://bluejeans.com/540134391/browser, or call in using your
>>> closest local number [2] and enter meeting ID 540 134 391#.
>>>
>>> If you’d like to see the presentation but cannot attend, that is no
>>> problem—we will be posting a recording to Commons and putting the link on
>>> the talk page afterwards.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Elena
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review#Invitation_to_join_a_video_conference_presentation
>>>
>>>
>>> [2] https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Elena Lappen
>>> Community Relations Specialist
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:14 PM Zack McCune 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> :: Apologies for cross-posting to multiple mailing lists. We want to
>> ensure
>>>> we spread the word about this opportunity to as many people as
>> possible. ::
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> We are writing today to invite you to be a part of a community review
>> on
>>>> Wikimedia brand research and strategy.
>>>>
>>>> Recently, the Wikimedia Foundation set out to better understand how the
>>>> world sees Wikimedia and Wikimedia projects as brands.[1] We wanted to
>> get
>>>> a sense of the general visibility of our different projects, and
>> evaluate
>>>> public support of our mission to spread free knowledge.
>>>>
>>>> We launched a global brand study to research these questions, as part
>> of
>>>> our planning toward our 2030 strategic goals.[2] The study was
>> commissioned
>>>> by the Board, carried out by the brand consultancy Wolff Olins, and
>>>> directed by the Foundation’s Communications team.[3][4] It collected
>>>> perspectives from the internet users of seven countries (India, China,
>>>> Nig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
The idea of rebranding Wikimedia to Wikipedia will create FAR more problems 
than it solves, specially in places where identifying ourselves with Wikipedia 
could create real life problems to affiliates. Let's think on making our 
product better, because is not a brand problem, is an obsolescence problem what 
we have.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Gerard 
Meijssen 
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:36 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

Hoi,
The problem is that Wikipedia has an article bound interest. Our aim is to
share in the sum of all knowledge and it is about subjects. In addition to
this the approach and `the lessons learned` in effect are used as a
template on how `other` Wikipedias are to function. This bias hinder, even
prevent other possible approaches.

Using Wikipedia to define what Wikimedia does, enforces existing bias and
hinders our mission.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 11:25, James Salsman  wrote:

> Hi Elena,
>
> If by "branding project" you mean replacing references to Wikimedia
> with Wikipedia, that is fine with me.
>
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elena Lappen  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Thanks to those of you who have participated in the branding project
> > community consultation so far. We’ve received a lot of helpful feedback
> via
> > email, on-wiki, and in small meetings with affiliate group members and
> > individual contributors.
> >
> > I posted this invitation to the project talk page last week [1], but
> wanted
> > to send a reminder here that we will be hosting a video conference
> session
> > to give people a chance to see the presentation, ask questions and
> provide
> > feedback.
> >
> > When? This Thursday, April 11th from 16:00-17:00 UTC.
> >
> > Where? https://bluejeans.com/540134391/browser, or call in using your
> > closest local number [2] and enter meeting ID 540 134 391#.
> >
> > If you’d like to see the presentation but cannot attend, that is no
> > problem—we will be posting a recording to Commons and putting the link on
> > the talk page afterwards.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elena
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review#Invitation_to_join_a_video_conference_presentation
> >
> >
> > [2] https://www.bluejeans.com/premium-numbers
> >
> >
> > --
> > Elena Lappen
> > Community Relations Specialist
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 7:14 PM Zack McCune 
> wrote:
> >
> > > :: Apologies for cross-posting to multiple mailing lists. We want to
> ensure
> > > we spread the word about this opportunity to as many people as
> possible. ::
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We are writing today to invite you to be a part of a community review
> on
> > > Wikimedia brand research and strategy.
> > >
> > > Recently, the Wikimedia Foundation set out to better understand how the
> > > world sees Wikimedia and Wikimedia projects as brands.[1] We wanted to
> get
> > > a sense of the general visibility of our different projects, and
> evaluate
> > > public support of our mission to spread free knowledge.
> > >
> > > We launched a global brand study to research these questions, as part
> of
> > > our planning toward our 2030 strategic goals.[2] The study was
> commissioned
> > > by the Board, carried out by the brand consultancy Wolff Olins, and
> > > directed by the Foundation’s Communications team.[3][4] It collected
> > > perspectives from the internet users of seven countries (India, China,
> > > Nigeria, Egypt, Germany, Mexico and the US) on Wikimedia projects and
> > > values.
> > >
> > > The study revealed some interesting trends:
> > >
> > > - Awareness of Wikipedia is above 80% in Western Europe and North
> America.
> > >
> > > - Awareness of Wikipedia averages above 40% in emerging markets,[5]
> and is
> > > fast growing.
> > >
> > > - There is awareness of other projects, but was significantly lower.
> For
> > > example, awareness of Wikisource was at 30%, Wiktionary at 25%,
> Wikidata at
> > > 20%, and Wikivoyage at 8%.
> > >
> > > - There was significant confusion around the name Wikimedia.
> Respondents
> > > reported they had either not heard of it, or extrapolated its
> relationship
> > > to Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > - In spite of lack of awareness about Wikimedia, respondents showed a
> high
> > > level of support for our mission.
> > >
> > > Following from these research insights, the Wolff Olins team also made
> a
> > > strategic suggestion to refine the Wikimedia brand system.[6] The
> > > suggestions include:
> > >
> > > - Use Wikipedia as the central movement brand rather than Wikimedia.
> > >
> > > - Provide clearer connections to the Movement projects from Wikipedia
> to
> > > drive increased awareness, usage and contributions to smaller projects.
> > >
> > > - Retain Wikimedia project names, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sverige receives a total of USD 500, 000+ in funding for three new projects, and a cost reduction of USD 30, 000/year

2019-03-28 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Great news!
We can't wait to have the WikiSpeech application deployed, as the Basque 
language part is finished yet!

Cheers
Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Search strings in "cite"

2019-03-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Sorry, I misunderstood you... yes, this is GREAT!

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Galder 
Gonzalez Larrañaga 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 4:16 PM
To: John Erling Blad; Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Search strings in "cite"

This has been working for a while, AFAIK I have been using it for more than two 
years now.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of John 
Erling Blad 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 4:14 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Search strings in "cite"

Anyone noticed the terse tech notice in november?

"When you edit with the visual editor you can use the "Automatic"
citation tab. This helps you generate citations. You will now be able
to write plain text citations or the title of a journal article or a
book in this tab. This will search the Crossref and WorldCat databases
and add the top result." [1]

This is absolutely great and should have been posted in big friendly
letters as a site notice!

[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198567

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Search strings in "cite"

2019-03-14 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
This has been working for a while, AFAIK I have been using it for more than two 
years now.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of John 
Erling Blad 
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 4:14 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Search strings in "cite"

Anyone noticed the terse tech notice in november?

"When you edit with the visual editor you can use the "Automatic"
citation tab. This helps you generate citations. You will now be able
to write plain text citations or the title of a journal article or a
book in this tab. This will search the Crossref and WorldCat databases
and add the top result." [1]

This is absolutely great and should have been posted in big friendly
letters as a site notice!

[1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198567

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Video Wiki

2019-02-27 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Is it possible to add other languages if we have a free TTS system?

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Samuel 
Klein 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:10 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Video Wiki

Brilliant.  Long in the making, much needed.

And for branding, the website devoted to this should be called Wikipedia
Media...

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:55 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Hey All
>
> We have a new project called Video Wiki
>  which
> allows:
>
>1. The easy creation of videos from scripts from Wikipedia and images /
>short video segments from Commons
>2. Scripts can have inline references and the text of the script with
>references end up in the captions of the video with references. These
>captions can be turned on and off
>3. At the end of the video it automatically adds
>   1.  the license for the text (CC BY SA license)
>   2. attribution of those who have edited the scripts
>   3. all the metadata for the references supporting the scripts
>4. The final video version on Commons lists the files that the video is
>derived from
>5. Attribution for the images is automatically added at the bottom of
>each image
>
>
> Have started a discussion here on Wikipedia and would appreciate peoples
> thoughts. Will be drafting a formal RfC about the use of such videos
> eventually.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Video_Wiki
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Video Wiki

2019-02-27 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
WOW!

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of James 
Heilman 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 6:55 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Video Wiki

Hey All

We have a new project called Video Wiki
 which
allows:

   1. The easy creation of videos from scripts from Wikipedia and images /
   short video segments from Commons
   2. Scripts can have inline references and the text of the script with
   references end up in the captions of the video with references. These
   captions can be turned on and off
   3. At the end of the video it automatically adds
  1.  the license for the text (CC BY SA license)
  2. attribution of those who have edited the scripts
  3. all the metadata for the references supporting the scripts
   4. The final video version on Commons lists the files that the video is
   derived from
   5. Attribution for the images is automatically added at the bottom of
   each image


Have started a discussion here on Wikipedia and would appreciate peoples
thoughts. Will be drafting a formal RfC about the use of such videos
eventually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Video_Wiki


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] Video tutorial regarding creating Wikipedia references with VisualEditor

2019-02-26 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
We have also some videotutorials in Basque: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_tutorial_videos_in_Basque

From: Education  on behalf of Lennart 
Guldbrandsson 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 9:53 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia & GLAM collaboration [Public]; Wikimedia 
Education
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] Video tutorial regarding creating Wikipedia 
references with VisualEditor

Hello,

This is really good. I've been thinking about doing tutorials too, but so far I 
haven't started. Sara Mörtsell did a few videos in Swedish some time ago (for 
instance 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ALektion_3_-_l%C3%A4gg_till_k%C3%A4lla_och_referenslista.webm)
 but they need to be updated.

When you do these, please try to document the process as well, to make it 
easier for others to replicate it. Thanks.


Best wishes,


Lennart Guldbrandsson



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Skickat: den 26 februari 2019 04:48
Till: Wikimedia Mailing List; Wikimedia Education; Wikimedia & GLAM 
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Ämne: [Wikimedia Education] Video tutorial regarding creating Wikipedia 
references with VisualEditor

Hello colleagues,

*Overview*

A video tutorial for creating references on Wikipedia with VisualEditor is
in development for English Wikipedia and possibly also for Spanish
Wikipedia. Publication is likely to happen in March 2019. If this tutorial
is well received then additional tutorials may follow.

If you would like to receive notifications regarding the availability of
draft or finished tutorial products, or to learn additional information,
then please continue reading below.

*How can I request notifications for when drafts or finished products are
ready for review?*

If you would like to receive a notice when a draft or finished product is
ready for public review then I invite you to go to the the project talk
page and follow the link to the newsletter subscription page [1]. During
the development of this single tutorial the newsletters are likely to be
short. I am likely to send approximately 3 to 6 notifications to
subscribers between now and the end of this mini-project.

(The reason that I am not including a link to the newsletter's subscription
page directly in this email is that I may change the name of the newsletter
in the future, and I prefer to minimize any potential confusion and the
number of redirect pages, so I think that including a link from this email
to the talk page is preferable because the location of the talk page is
likely to remain stable.)

*Background information*

Some of you may remember the project that was originally named LearnWiki
[2]. For various painful reasons that project was not completed within the
original schedule and budget. However, I continue to believe that video
tutorials Wikimedia projects could be very useful for new contributors, and
also for helpers who could use the videos to demonstrate concepts to new
contributors. I think of this project as being a pilot iteration for
"LearnWiki version 2.0", or maybe "LearnWiki 2.0 beta 1",  with a major
change between this effort and the original LearnWiki project being how the
project is executed. The goal for this tutorial remains aligned with the
original vision for LearnWiki. I believe that I know more about project
management than I did when I attempted LearnWiki version 1.0.

WMF approved a rapid grant for me to develop a single tutorial module [3]
regarding creating Wikipedia references with VisualEditor. This tutorial is
in development, I and I plan to publish the finalized script and video in
March 2019. Depending on the amount of remaining funds after development of
the English version of this tutorial and on whether WMF agrees, in addition
to an English version of the tutorial I may also produce a Spanish version
within the budget of the current rapid grant. Additional translations or
derivative versions would be welcome from anyone who would like to create
them.

If this first tutorial is well received then I may request funding for
additional tutorials.

Within the next few days I plan to publish the first complete draft of the
script for the referencing tutorial. I will place a link to that draft on
the project talk page [1], and I am likely to create links from the same
talk page to further drafts and additional tutorial products. If you would
like to receive project updates then please watch the talk page and/or
subscribe to the newsletter.

I welcome any comments or questions that you have, either on a mailing list
or on the project talk page [1].

Yours in service,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Project/Rapid/Pine/Continuation_of_educational_video_and_website_series

[2]

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia+Education Conference programme announced

2019-02-25 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,
The Wikimedia+Education Conference 2019 will happen soon in Donostia, Basque 
Country. The programme has been announced: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia%2BEducation_Conference_2019/Programme

We will host more than 50 events about the relationship between education and 
our movement.

Thank you very much

Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bounties…

2019-01-25 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
In the Basque wikipedia we are doing monthly contests on different topics, and 
some of them are focused on quality (i.e. adding references and images). There 
are some prices every month, usually books or thing related to technology. And 
people usually like to participate for the fun, and for the prize.

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of 
Benjamin Lees 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2019 5:14 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bounties…

It's interesting that you chose spellchecking as your example.  On the
English Wikipedia, I tend to see that as an activity that some people
actually do find fun (or relaxing).  Plus, spelling errors (or perceived
spelling errors[1]) are something that unregistered users really like
fixing.  But maybe that varies significantly across language editions.

In any event, spelling errors are probably the case where eventualism is
most appropriate.  It is rare that someone will be misinformed because of
spelling mistakes, and they serve a useful signaling function in making it
clear that a given piece of content has probably not undergone peer
review.  And rather than driving people away, they tend to draw them
in—Cunningham's law[2] never fails.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ENGVAR
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law


On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 6:55 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> Both in Wikipedia and other parts of the Wikimedia-universe there are
> a lot of jobs that should be done, but are not so popular. Because
> they are not done, people get tired and backs away from whatever they
> are doing.
>
> I could give several examples, but lets say spellchecking. It is not
> fun doing spellchecking, even if you are spellchecking something
> written by a professor. Instead of doing spellchecking you do
> something else, like poking around in some code, or write about
> Pokemon. While you do so the professor gets a bit annoyed over the not
> so perfect article, and starts to wonder what happen to the crowd in
> crowdsourcing.
>
> Somewhere along the way the it became so bad to talk about anything
> except the pure wikipedian sitting on top of his pillar with a book
> and a computer, writing articles in solitude, that we completely
> missed the opportunities to get a much larger momentum.
>
> The Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia has over a half a million articles.
> About 10 % lack sources. Nearly all of them has spelling errors. It is
> nothing unusual about this.
>
> Could we use bounties to get some momentum?
>
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia+Education Conference registration is now open

2019-01-07 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear Wikimedians,
The very fist Wikimedia+Education Conference will be organized this April in 
Donostia, Basque Country. We have received more than 50 programme proposals so 
far, and registration is now open. You can register or send your programme 
proposals here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia%2BEducation_Conference_2019

Thanks you very much and hope to see you soon.

Galder
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia+Education Conference. April 2019 Donostia-San Sebastián

2018-12-11 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all,
Basque Wikimedians User Group is happy to announce the celebration of the first 
Wikimedia+Education Conference, next April 2019 in Donostia. It will be a 
full-weekend Conference to talk about the relation between Wikimedia and our 
education projects, and the way Education is being shaped by Wikimedia.

Call for programme submissions and scholarships is now open, so we hope to have 
your input in this exciting event. All the information can be found here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia%2BEducation_Conference_2019


Thanks for your interest

Galder
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