[Wikimedia-l] Re: Simplifying governance processes

2022-05-19 Thread Gnangarra
I would hope the UCoC gives us the tools to address many of these long
delays. In all cases no matter how long the process  when it is completed,
the goals have shifted, there's new people, and they will one day want
their say.

It all comes down to one simple little idea that was the foundation of what
we have created "Assume Good Faith" .Once we moved away from that we
had to replace it with something that was process orientated with each
process we became better at identifying holes so we built more complex
processes but processes can never achieve the ideals we once reached for.
We have now become so scared to make a decision without everyone being ask,
so we hold a meetings, talk, then the outcome is always lets do a survey,
then lets check with the affiliates so goes to the regional hubs they hold
their meeting, then do another survey, then send it back to local
affiliates to give an opinion then the local affiliate sends out its own
survey.   All we have done is kicked the ball 6 months down the road with
no decision, then someone its often when just one that disagrees it gets
kicked back for another attempt.  In that first meeting the people there
could have decided with the same outcome thats taken 2 years to reach.


These long process development cycles necessitate paid opportunities just
following the trail of meetings and making sure the ball has gone down
every road whether the people along that road are really invested in the
individual product, and now the consideration of stipends for various
community guides; perhaps now the WMF has grown in size its worth looking
into how this growth is impacting community development.

It always amazes everyone what Wikimedians can do when left to just make it
happen.





On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 11:43, Steven Walling 
wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 6:25 PM effe iets anders 
> wrote:
>
>> The proposals that you list are a bit double edged. It may be necessary,
>> but they have downsides. For example, there are in a few cases very good
>> reasons to go back to the drawing board when we're talking about
>> foundational documents. It is annoying that it takes so long, but with time
>> we also should see increased ownership and an increased support base.
>> Having a single phase reduces the number of messages and time spent, but it
>> also reduces the process to a single point of failure, making it much
>> higher stakes. If you don't participate, you're too late. It would be nice
>> if we can somehow still lower the stakes by making processes more
>> iterative, and accepting that the outcome does not have to be the same for
>> a long period of time. But there is a fundamental tension between speed and
>> perceived pressure.
>>
>
> Do we really think that the dramatic increase in process has resulted in
> commensurately better community participation and buy-in? Doesn’t seem like
> it. Seems like we still get the same relatively tiny number voices who care
> a lot about global governance structure, and everyone else in the community
> mostly just votes when advertised to.
>
> In any case, taking multiple years to do things like even outline what
> say, a code of conduct committee or global council (I still have no clue
> WTF that really is) will even look like and do is egregiously slow by any
> standard.
>
> I'm less concerned about elections, if only one of these rounds involves
>> the community. If having an additional round of filtering helps to make the
>> ballot easier to digest (reduced to six candidates for three positions
>> sounds great to me!) that also means less mental effort for voters. The
>> real question is: how much cumulative time are we spending on this process
>> (or rather: should we be spending on this, if we want a good outcome). If
>> 100 people spend an extra 2 hour to trim down from 30 to 6 candidates, that
>> is worth it, because 10,000 people don't have to read 30 statements, bio's,
>> Q's etc. If we go from 7 to 6 candidates, maybe less so.
>> If doing another drafting round means 30 people spend an extra 10 hours
>> drafting, that may be worth it, if it means that 1000 people don't have to
>> be frustrated for a year because they constantly run into consequences of
>> the policy and have to go through protests to get it changed. If the
>> iteration for things that don't work is more lightweight, maybe we can just
>> try it for a year, and evaluate after that.
>>
>> Maybe it's worth it to sometimes take a napkin and do the math: how much
>> collective time are we going to spend on this?
>>
>> Best,
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:12 PM Steven Walling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:35 PM Nathan  wrote:
>>>


 On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 5:38 PM Steven Walling <
 steven.wall...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:27 AM Evelin Heidel 
> wrote:
>
>> +1 to this, my perception is that we're wasting a lot of volunteer's
>> + staff 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-30 Thread Gnangarra
>
> You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary.
> It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help
> some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra
> time.  If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be
> questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to
> become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach
> to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even
> organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am,
> taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind
> words.


Just to clarify with my last statement and prior responses I'm talking
about US/CA, EU, AU type countries where altruistic endeavours as
volunteers are something we have the privilege of being able to do with
limited impact on our daily lives or standard of living.  Any measure of a
good stipend/gift should be to ensure that it helps where it has the most
valuable impact. Another example of the dangers of english translations
where we all speak one language but we use it differently.


On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 07:56, Gnangarra  wrote:

> You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary.
> It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help
> some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra
> time.  If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be
> questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to
> become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach
> to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even
> organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am,
> taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind
> words.
>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 01:21, Lane Chance  wrote:
>
>> In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform
>> future projects"?
>>
>> Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to
>> "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be
>> enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything
>> significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly
>> stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
>>
>> The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses
>> for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal
>> stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not
>> be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against
>> participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional
>> needs.
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra  wrote:
>> >
>> > stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
>> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
>> not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
>> AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
>> It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
>> it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
>> >> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
>> >> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
>> >> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>> >>
>> >> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
>> >> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
>> >> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
>> >> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
>> >> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
>> >> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
>> >> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
>> >> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
>> >> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
>> >> but subsidized.
>> >>
>> >> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
>> >> are normalised if these are becoming

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra
You miss the point we do this as volunteers: a stipend isn't necessary.
It's a just nice way to say thankyou for your time, offering it up may help
some people who would make great mentors being able to dedicate extra
time.  If you're doing it just for the stipend then it should be
questionable as to whether you're the right person to mentor volunteers to
become future leaders of the community. Every role whether it is outreach
to a group, leading an affiliate, being on a community committee, or even
organising a Wikimania requires dedicating time sometimes even at 2 or 3am,
taking responsibility it's all voluntary the most you'll get is a few kind
words.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2022 at 01:21, Lane Chance  wrote:

> In what way would it be bad to "publish [the analysis] to inform
> future projects"?
>
> Neither was it stated or implied in my email that stipends were to
> "cover every cost", just to put $5/hour in context that it may be
> enough to pay for a take-away, but it's not enough to cover anything
> significant like childcare costs, which happens to be an explicitly
> stated reason for paying a stipend on the meta page.
>
> The question about whether variations, like claiming extra expenses
> for childcare, is possible is a good one. By paying a fixed or nominal
> stipend, at first glance it appears that expenses beyond this will not
> be accepted by the WMF, which bakes in an obvious bias against
> participation from some minority groups with reasonable additional
> needs.
>
> Lane
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 13:01, Gnangarra  wrote:
> >
> > stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
> not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
> AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
> It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
> it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
> >>
> >> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
> >> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
> >> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
> >> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
> >>
> >> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
> >> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
> >> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
> >> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
> >> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
> >> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
> >> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
> >> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
> >> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
> >> but subsidized.
> >>
> >> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
> >> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
> >> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
> >> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
> >> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
> >> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
> >> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
> >>
> >> Lane
> >>
> >> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية •
> Русский •日本語 • 한국어)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hello everyone,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is
> supporting the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership
> Development Working Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise
> leadership development work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a
> summary of the feedback is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the
> Working Group is now open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please
> review the information about the working group, share with community
> members who might be interested, and apply if you are interested.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> >
> &g

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra
Sorry meant to say every second month, to be honest as mentors we should be
doing it to help others grow and help the movement grow not for the stipend
anyway

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 20:00, Gnangarra  wrote:

> stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
> acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
> not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
> AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
> It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
> it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:
>
>> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
>> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
>> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
>> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>>
>> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
>> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
>> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
>> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
>> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
>> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
>> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
>> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
>> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
>> but subsidized.
>>
>> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
>> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
>> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
>> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
>> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
>> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
>> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
>>
>> Lane
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский
>> •日本語 • 한국어)
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is
>> supporting the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership
>> Development Working Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise
>> leadership development work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a
>> summary of the feedback is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the
>> Working Group is now open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please
>> review the information about the working group, share with community
>> members who might be interested, and apply if you are interested.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> >
>> >
>> > The Community Development team
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cassie Casares
>> > Program Support Associate
>> > Community Development
>> > Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Apply to join the Leadership Development Working Group!

2022-03-29 Thread Gnangarra
stipends aren't meant to cover every cost for the volunteer, its an
acknowledgement that as volunteers we do incur costs we can always choose
not to contribute. $200 a month yeah thats nice when your in the US, EU or
AU for other less well off countries it does make a difference for them.
It'd be unfair to offer a stipend to be varied between countries because
it'd encourage and entrench bias, and inequity across the movement.

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 19:44, Lane Chance  wrote:

> It's worth highlighting the stipend (presumably intended for otherwise
> unpaid volunteers who are not full-time employees of the WMF). It's
> $200 for "each 2 months" and covers costs of "childcare, internet,
> transportation and other costs that make volunteering possible".
>
> The commitment is to give *5 hours a week* for a 1 year period, so
> $100/month is approximately $5 an hour in costs. A rock bottom rate
> for a babysitter in the USA would be $10/hour. If you need to travel
> to a quiet workspace, like a friendly and entirely free library or
> Uni, to do the work or find a cubical to join a Zoom meeting, then the
> cost of transport is likely to again going to start at $10 and if you
> need to buy a take-away to replace time preparing an evening meal
> that's going to be $20 for something basic. Some countries in Europe
> have government-supported childcare, but even these may not be free
> but subsidized.
>
> It would be interesting to see more analysis of how volunteer stipends
> are normalised if these are becoming more common in WMF grants and
> project funding, and how they are intended to vary based on the
> standard cost of living in different countries, additional real-life
> receipted costs or what other circumstances will justify increasing
> the non-receipted stipend. If this has been done behind the scenes by
> the WMF, it would be useful to publish it to inform future projects.
>
> Lane
>
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 21:09, Cassie Casares 
> wrote:
> >
> > (Read this message in other languages on Meta-wiki: ‎العربية • Русский
> •日本語 • 한국어)
> >
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> >
> > The Community Development team at the Wikimedia Foundation is supporting
> the creation of a global, community-driven Leadership Development Working
> Group. The purpose of the working group is to advise leadership development
> work. Feedback was collected in February 2022 and a summary of the feedback
> is on Meta-wiki. The application period to join the Working Group is now
> open and is closing soon on April 10, 2022. Please review the information
> about the working group, share with community members who might be
> interested, and apply if you are interested.
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> > The Community Development team
> >
> >
> >
> > Cassie Casares
> > Program Support Associate
> > Community Development
> > Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

2022-03-12 Thread Gnangarra
Sorry wasnt making fun of his or anyone elses english but rather
highlighting the English language in general with its US, Uk, Ca, Au, SA
and how it gets taught rules to 2nd or 3rd language speakers as the primary
common language we all speak its a fallacy we speak it the same way.

My sincere apologies to anyone that mistook the way I criticized English

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 21:19, Gnangarra  wrote:

> I really should be separating these responses into two threads, but they
> are part of this discussion, and need to be addressed appropriately. The
> first was that employing in low socio-economic countries to reduce employee
> costs is an offensive, and unfair proposal in a community thats striving
> for equity.
>
> The second part is* "**I'll just leave some general comments on Maryana's
> response here"   *Maryana clearly answered you questions around the tax
> form and you were invited to direct further questions directly to her. Your
> comment and post here is totally inappropriate, now lets look at your
> individual points.
>
> 1. An organisation committed to transparency shouldn't give a friendly or
>> beholden inquirer any different information than a hostile one in
>> response to questions of fact...
>
> The response is the same as whats in the FAQ
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRS_tax_related_information/2019_Wikimedia_Foundation_Form_990_Frequently_Asked_Questions?#On_page_4,_Part_1,_Summary,_line_5,_what_staff_are_included_within_the_category_%E2%80%9CSalaries,_other_compensation,_employee_benefits%E2%80%9D?>
>  ,
> I see a big assumption you make that the only issue is its not what you
> wanted.
>
> 2. As for my motivation, it's surely one that any Wikipedian can relate
>> to: I would like the public to have access to accurate information.
>
> The only dispute on the accuracy is coming from you and based on what
> appears to be a misinterpreted tax form despite the clarity given in the
> FAQ...  I would expect the IRS (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Service)  to be
> appropriately skilled to review tax forms and raise any discrepancy with
> the WMF alongside the due diligence carried out by the Auditors and the
> Board.  So what is your motivation is the writing for the media, just a
> lack of understanding of US tax codes and how expenses are declared. If any
> of us were expert in the US tax codes we'd be working in the US betting
> paid significantly more than anyone at the WMF.  We have always assumed
> good faith, I see nothing from the response to your questions that do
> otherwise.
>
> 3. I don't accept that calculating an average for 291 employees produces a
>> figure that matches "our highest-paid employees"...
>
> Welcome to tax forms the distribution of information is never simple or
> logical as each piece of information and reporting is distributed across
> many areas, as differing rulings and laws change where information is or
> how it appears. That gets complex when you look at summary information
> rather than the finited detail.
>
> 4. I did not ask for the release of non-public information. I simply
>> wanted to know how many people's pay, approximately, the front-page figure
>> of $55.6 million represents... [truncated]... Which is it? Are some or
>> all of those contractors included in the salary costs total? The WMF won't
>> say.
>
> The WMF has said on the FAQ page, Maryanna has also responded.  Maryanna
> is in an unfair position; she wasnt with the WMF during the periods you are
> playing with yet she takes time to answer with the information you request.
> Then offers you the option to dig deeper by explaining your reasons for
> doubt, (oh I love the nuances of English some would use the term motivation
> instead).
>
> 5. Salary costs are the WMF's biggest expenditure item. They reached $69M
>> in 2020/21 – a tenfold increase in the course of a decade
>
> Yep salaries will always increase as will related expenses, WMF has
> significantly increased staff that automatically brings additional costs.
> These arent increases on whims, it's because of the expanding demand on the
> WMF from the community. These have the added bonus of disproportionate
> climbing expenses the same ones we are experiencing in our daily lives from
> internet bills, power bills, to insurances, and even taxes.
>
> 6. Another Indian fundraiser is due to start in a few weeks' time. Former
>> WMF CEO Katherine Maher acknowledged to me[4] that there were problems with
>> the messaging in the last Indian fundraiser, resulting in press stories
>> that were "misleading and alarmist". I hope that the WMF will do its best
>> this year to ensure that the Indian press is accurately

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

2022-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
his issue had been addressed by the fundraising team.  Perhaps
even queried if safe guards had been put in place like perhaps hiring
additional translators to ensure that nuances are translated to convey the
same intentions using appropriate cultural references, not everywhere buys
a coffee.

I'm not even going to respond to #7 because that reads as just a new throw
away distraction to ensure that the WMF can never fulfill your needs and
keep an open argument rolling along because maybe you hit another nerve,
maybe you'll find people joining the cause because hey they have found
something in common. As much as I would hate to start a refreshed Mike
Goodwin principle, this is comparable to the way Trump and anti vaxxers
have kept up their faux news being in the limelight.

Cheers
Gnangarra

Note please change the heading of these in the next responses so everyone
know which direction the thread is talking about.

   1. WMF exploiting third world labour
   2. Form 990 media information request


On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 11:50, Gnangarra  wrote:

>
>> I think great care has to be taken when considering a place with low
> costs of living for employee's in that the movement does not become yet
> another corporation that exploits workers because it is cheaper, especially
> when we are claiming it as improving cultural diversity.  I would much
> rather see the WMF be a leader in raising employment conditions  to the
> standards enjoyed in the richer countries, not just weekly income but
> health, safety, and retirement benefits.  In the richer countries there's
> better education,  more recreational time, there are welfare measures which
> all contribute to a wider social capacity in participation. If the
> consensus is that a position is worth 500k in the US then its worth that
> everywhere, we should disconnect cultural diversity from rates of pay and
> employment conditions.
>
> If we looked deeper we'd see that in the lower socio-economic countries
> those participating have a higher local comparative standard of living due
> their ability to have free time, better access to equipment and to have had
> a meaningful education.  In wealthier countries EU, US, Australia the
> ability to participate reaches a lot lower socio-economically because of
> free education, welfare and for some health care. OECD defines poverty as
> half the average household income, using myself as an example from a "rich
> country", I'm on a pension/welfare, my income is below that  OECD line but
> I can still contribute in meaningful ways. Someone in say the example of
> India equally below the OECD poverty line, could not contribute due to the
> various constraints and efforts needed just to survive.
>
> Equity comes in many forms including in wages if we want to treat everyone
> equally then must endeavour to focus not only on staff distribution but
> also  with what people are being paid regardless of where they are.  The US
> is the standard that we have, then thats what we must provide to every
> employee.
>
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 19:40, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bodhisattwa,
>>
>> I quite agree. A somewhat similar set-up exists in Germany where
>> donations are collected by the Wikimedia Fördergesellschaft ("Wikimedia
>> Patron Society"), a subsidiary of Wikimedia Germany. The Fördergesellschaft
>> then sends a part of its funds to the Wikimedia Foundation in the United
>> States and uses the rest to fund Wikimedia Germany:
>>
>> https://spenden.wikimedia.de/use-of-funds
>>
>> However, this is the only such arrangement I am aware of. (Wikimedia UK
>> used to have a similar one, but this ended when various conflicts of
>> interest arose in the chapter, prompting a governance review.[1])
>>
>> In my opinion, the kind of decentralised arrangement you suggest is much
>> more compatible with a worldwide movement. Such decentralisation and
>> distributed decision-making also aids diversity, in a far more
>> down-to-earth sense than talking about it does. (For example, Wikimedia
>> Germany writes and designs its own fundraising banners, and over the years
>> they've often been more culturally appropriate – and honest – than the WMF
>> ones.)
>>
>> But, coming back to the question of where staff should be located, to the
>> extent that the Wikimedia Foundation in the United States does take on
>> global responsibilities (e.g. for keeping the software up to date ... I
>> really like the new Reply feature on talk pages, for example), I think it
>> would be desirable to have more of its staff outside the United States,
>> including places like India.
>>
>> San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live in the world,
>&g

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Form 990 clarification request (for the attention of WMF accounts staff)

2022-03-09 Thread Gnangarra
>
>
> I think great care has to be taken when considering a place with low costs
of living for employee's in that the movement does not become yet another
corporation that exploits workers because it is cheaper, especially when we
are claiming it as improving cultural diversity.  I would much rather see
the WMF be a leader in raising employment conditions  to the standards
enjoyed in the richer countries, not just weekly income but health, safety,
and retirement benefits.  In the richer countries there's better
education,  more recreational time, there are welfare measures which all
contribute to a wider social capacity in participation. If the consensus is
that a position is worth 500k in the US then its worth that everywhere, we
should disconnect cultural diversity from rates of pay and employment
conditions.

If we looked deeper we'd see that in the lower socio-economic countries
those participating have a higher local comparative standard of living due
their ability to have free time, better access to equipment and to have had
a meaningful education.  In wealthier countries EU, US, Australia the
ability to participate reaches a lot lower socio-economically because of
free education, welfare and for some health care. OECD defines poverty as
half the average household income, using myself as an example from a "rich
country", I'm on a pension/welfare, my income is below that  OECD line but
I can still contribute in meaningful ways. Someone in say the example of
India equally below the OECD poverty line, could not contribute due to the
various constraints and efforts needed just to survive.

Equity comes in many forms including in wages if we want to treat everyone
equally then must endeavour to focus not only on staff distribution but
also  with what people are being paid regardless of where they are.  The US
is the standard that we have, then thats what we must provide to every
employee.

On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 19:40, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:

> Hi Bodhisattwa,
>
> I quite agree. A somewhat similar set-up exists in Germany where donations
> are collected by the Wikimedia Fördergesellschaft ("Wikimedia Patron
> Society"), a subsidiary of Wikimedia Germany. The Fördergesellschaft then
> sends a part of its funds to the Wikimedia Foundation in the United States
> and uses the rest to fund Wikimedia Germany:
>
> https://spenden.wikimedia.de/use-of-funds
>
> However, this is the only such arrangement I am aware of. (Wikimedia UK
> used to have a similar one, but this ended when various conflicts of
> interest arose in the chapter, prompting a governance review.[1])
>
> In my opinion, the kind of decentralised arrangement you suggest is much
> more compatible with a worldwide movement. Such decentralisation and
> distributed decision-making also aids diversity, in a far more
> down-to-earth sense than talking about it does. (For example, Wikimedia
> Germany writes and designs its own fundraising banners, and over the years
> they've often been more culturally appropriate – and honest – than the WMF
> ones.)
>
> But, coming back to the question of where staff should be located, to the
> extent that the Wikimedia Foundation in the United States does take on
> global responsibilities (e.g. for keeping the software up to date ... I
> really like the new Reply feature on talk pages, for example), I think it
> would be desirable to have more of its staff outside the United States,
> including places like India.
>
> San Francisco is one of the most expensive places to live in the world,
> and if Covid and Zoom have taught us anything it's that it is really not
> necessary to be physically in the same place all the time to work together.
> Hiring more staff abroad rather than in Silicon Valley is another thing
> that would make the WMF culturally more diverse.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
> [1]
> https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/investigation-into-governance-at-wikimedia-uk-launched.html
>
> https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/wikimedia-uk-trustees-have-been--too-involved--to-effectively-govern-charity.html
>
> https://www.thirdsector.co.uk/review-urges-major-overhaul-governance-wikimedia-uk/governance/article/1170282
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 1:37 AM Bodhisattwa 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> Regarding the money raised in India, there is actually another option
>> which can be more useful for the Indian volunteers. The money does not need
>> to be transferred out of India to US and then come back through different
>> grants as foreign money under strict regulations from the government. The
>> money can just be kept in India in an organization account which will agree
>> to be the custodian of it. A process can then be initiated to sustain the
>> Indian affiliates and communities for future with that money as per
>> movement strategy recommendation. I think that would be far better an
>> option for us than to increase the number of growing WMF staffs in India or
>> pay them salary with that money.
>>
>> Regards,
>> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikimedia Announcements] Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month: We are back in 2022!

2022-02-24 Thread Gnangarra
Given previous experience, past examples of this project editors are free
to make any contributions so I see no issue with governments,
institutions or even private corporations supporting knowledge sharing
activity.   The best time to share knowledge is now, the second best is
when its under threat, what we cant do is share knowledge once its
destroyed.

What I do see as unacceptable is saying we shouldn't be sharing knowledge
because a society and cultures' future is being threatened. We need to be
doing everything we can to ensure we collect and document as much as we
can.  We have seen many museums and heritage places lost in the last 20
years due various natural and unnatural events.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 at 16:53, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Absolutely.
>
> I am not a fan of government propaganda, but not it is not the best moment
> to discuss it.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:23 AM effe iets anders 
> wrote:
>
>> The list archive probably has an answer to your question on 9 feb 2021.
>>
>> But regardless, writing about Ukrainian culture is never more prudent
>> than when it is under threat. Whatever one's personal opinion on this war,
>> I don't think anyone will deny that Ukrainian cultural heritage is at risk?
>> Asking people to go outside and take photos, that may be a bit much right
>> now, but this is a writing exercise. That is the beautiful thing about
>> Wikimedia: we document things regardless of how much we 'like' them.
>>
>> Lodewijk
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:59 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a legitimate concern as several users have dared to ask
>>> questions as you can see at
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ukraine%27s_Cultural_Diplomacy_Month
>>>
>>> We need more transparency regarding this decision. Granted, there was a
>>> campaign last year around this time, but was it advertised at a global
>>> scale? At least, I can't remember that.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 8:28 AM Ariel Glenn WMF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 This campaign was conducted last year at around the same time:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ukraine%27s_Cultural_Diplomacy_Month_2021
 Let's keep any unwarranted speculations off of this list please.

 Ariel Glenn
 ar...@wikimedia.org

 On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 5:55 AM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The timing of this campaign is of real concern and not prudent, I
> think, especially for those of us who strive for neutrality.
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 2:47 AM Samuel Klein 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing -- a nice idea and gorgeous page; nice to see the 
>> *wikigap
>> challenge* model proliferating.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:00 PM Valentin Nefedov <
>> nefedov.valen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, dear Wikipedians!Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the
>>> Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has
>>> launched the second edition of writing challenge Ukraine's Cultural
>>> Diplomacy Month , which lasts from 17
>>> February to 17 March 2022. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian
>>> artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural
>>> phenomena of Ukraine that made a contribution to world culture. The most
>>> active contesters will receive prizes.
>>>
>>> We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of
>>> Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in any language!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Valentyn Nefedov a.k.a. Renvoy
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Seeking community recommendations for Equity Fund grantees

2022-01-27 Thread Gnangarra
Perhaps the Equity Fund could invest a few million in developing, building,
and sustaining the Community Tech team to help it fix all the underlying
problems that continue to plague the projects. They could then provide
equity of coverage across all projects, improve participation across all
countries.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2022 at 15:35, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Good points, these. I hope someone will answer them.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Inductiveload [mailto:inductivel...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 26 January 2022 02:36
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Seeking community recommendations for Equity
> Fund
> grantees
>
>
>
> On 25 January 2022 17:11:59 GMT, Nadee Gunasena 
> wrote:
> > I've shared more
> >information about how we'll be sharing the recommendations and making
> >decisions about the grantees on Meta in response to your comment there:
> >https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Knowledge_Equity_Fund#Concerns.
>
> Besides how the grants are allocated in the first place, something I do not
> see on that page is the clear description of how the success of the grants
> are measured and reported, auditing of expenditures and when the results
> are
> due.
>
> From the Meta page:
>
> > The Equity Fund is focused on supporting groups outside of the movement
> whose work will impact and improve knowledge equity on the Wikimedia
> projects over the long term.
>
> Thus I imagine a good part of the results will be able to be tied to long
> term changes that will be measurable as some kind of wiki engagement? If
> the
> results are not expected to manifest "on-wiki", where and when are they
> expected to manifest? Obviously, "long term" implies no final results
> "soon", but responsible management means that the outcomes of interest are,
> of course, known already along with a plan for follow-up analysis.
>
> No self-respecting organisation would spend over $7 million without even a
> way to tell if the money is being spent as promised, or no way to tell if
> the project is working or has lasting effects.
>
> For context, it's enough money to keep the servers on for years, or, as
> about 50 person-years of payroll and overhead expenditure, keep a modest
> dev
> team trucking for a decade or so. The story of what knowledge-societal good
> has been done with this amount of money will be absolutely fascinating to
> anyone with an interest in knowledge equity, and critical to justifying
> support for similar initiatives in future. The analysis and accurate
> reporting of the outcomes of these grants is at least as valuable to future
> similar efforts as the grants themselves. Imagine the utterly disastrous
> effect it would have if it were impossible to showcase the success: it
> could
> undermine the whole idea of knowledge equity in general as a worthwhile
> financial cause, and within the wiki movement, it would badly injure the
> concept that funds donated in good faith are spent carefully.
>
> I look forward to reading in detail about what outcomes have been selected
> to be tracked, how and why that selection was made, how each grant is
> expected and hoped to affect them, and when and how we may be expected to
> find out how it went, both "on the ground" for the grantees and in terms of
> the already-set outcomes. These are all things that must already have been
> carefully documented.
>
> Down the road, a thorough breakdown of how it actually did go and how it
> can
> be done better, if possible, for future rounds will be a cornerstone of
> best-practice for knowledge equity initiatives for years to come.
>
> Cheers,
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-26 Thread Gnangarra
of course the Community tech team cant fix 900 existing issues, nor can it
make a new team.  The whole point about the wishlist is to focus on tools
the community needs.  The current reality is that instead of making new
tools the Community really needs the tools made during previous wishlsts
being fixed, upgraded, or if necessary the plug gets pulled on them.

One of the inherent problems with the wishlist is that the limited
resources keep getting thrown at making new gadgets, but it never looks
back at what its created. Many of the gadgets that get created are to work
around an existing problem rather than fixing the underlying problem.

Moving an issue from being listed as Commons related, to Larger Suggestions
is removing it from where the audience can see it, a close look many of the
other "wishes" on the commons list could be granted by way of fixing small
parts of the larger problems.

Wishlist as in its current form has an equity issue, a wish for Wikisource
compared to a wish for Wikipedia is never going to garner the same amount
of support. There is a significant size difference between the two, and
with that there is a lack of understanding of how much impact a tool will
have.  Commons gains some in being multilingual yet loses out
against a Wikipedia wish because of the same imbalance. An added bonus that
upgrading the multimedia capacity on Commons means we need all the other
projects being able to incorporate those gains, voila its too hard, its too
big, its outside of scope.  If your wish is for a tool to help a language
other than the top 10 forget the wishlist altogether.

We end up with it haven taken 6 months to create the virtual Wikimania
2021, its now six months after Wikimania 2021 yet we still havent been able
to upload all sessions to Commons because of underlying issues problems
with the video uploading process. We didnt even have streaming capacity to
actually present directly through Commons we had to use Youtube and
continue to hold all the videos on Youtube even though everything is freely
licensed. All because the wishlist process if flawed it looks only at the
small ideas, the easy ideas, current needs there is no reason why the
Community team cant take on a large idea and work collaboratively like the
whole community does.  There is nothing stopping the volunteers and
Community tech team from applying for funding through a rapid grant to work
on something larger or something that addresses the lack of equity being
created by the Wishlist.



On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 04:39, MusikAnimal  wrote:

> > Perhaps we can also have community discussion and !voting on the larger
> suggestions, to help Wikimedia at large to prioritize (or reflect on why
> tackling a popular set of challenges is hard to focus on).  This seems like
> a useful enough list to want to come out with a rough ordering of the
> "larger" list as well as the traditional ordering of smaller wishes.
>
> That's exactly what it is for. See the lead at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Larger_suggestions
> . The wish about Commons maintenance was never "removed", it was *moved*
> to Larger suggestions, because as Szymon explained better than I did, we
> (Community Tech) cannot provide indefinite support for Commons and tackle
> 900+ bugs. Moving it to Larger suggestions recognizes the proposal is an
> important problem that deserves broader attention. Apologies this wasn't
> clear.
>
> ~ MA
>
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 2:31 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
>> Perhaps we can also have community discussion and !voting on the larger
>> suggestions, to help Wikimedia at large to prioritize (or reflect on why
>> tackling a popular set of challenges is hard to focus on).  This seems like
>> a useful enough list to want to come out with a rough ordering of the
>> "larger" list as well as the traditional ordering of smaller wishes.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 6:51 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>>> Kaya
>>>
>>> As was said we should put forward wishes to the list even if they can't
>>> be fulfilled by the team, by removing the issue from the wishlist you have
>>> taken away the communities ability to express that they wish the issues to
>>> be addressed.
>>>
>>> Calling it out of scope and removing it is exactly what we were told was
>>> not going happen this year. I'll go back to my original response the
>>> Wishlist is broken and doesnt serve the communities needs
>>>
>>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 15:12, Szymon Grabarczuk <
>>> sgrabarc...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Gnangarra and everyone who feels misinformed,
>>>>
>>>> Please take into account my reply published on the same page, a few
&g

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-25 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

As was said we should put forward wishes to the list even if they can't be
fulfilled by the team, by removing the issue from the wishlist you have
taken away the communities ability to express that they wish the issues to
be addressed.

Calling it out of scope and removing it is exactly what we were told was
not going happen this year. I'll go back to my original response the
Wishlist is broken and doesnt serve the communities needs

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 15:12, Szymon Grabarczuk 
wrote:

> Dear Gnangarra and everyone who feels misinformed,
>
> Please take into account my reply published on the same page, a few diffs
> later:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Larger_suggestions/General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets=next=22669903
>
> In a nutshell, the voting results are instructions for the Community Tech
> team. Since our team can't hire another team, such wishes, unfortunately,
> can't be voted upon. Instead, these become "larger suggestions" which will
> be shared with the leadership of the Product department at the Wikimedia
> Foundation.
>
> I invite you to discuss the details on the Survey talk page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Wishlist_Survey
>
> Best,
>
> Szymon Grabarczuk (he/him)
>
> Community Relations Specialist
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:18 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> so much for all the assurances here
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons/General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets=next=22663179
>>  Out of scope for our team, which I hope is obvious
>>
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:26, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>>> Commons issues raised in
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets
>>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 05:16, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Maybe, the Community Tech team should start picking up long standing
>>>> issues first which are being proposed repetitively almost every year but do
>>>> not get adequate votes to receive their attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 00:59 Mike Peel  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if the opening of the Wishlist has been announced here yet?
>>>>> But
>>>>> it seems to be open for proposals until the 23rd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which means I get to propose fixing a simple technical question for
>>>>> the
>>>>> fifth time in the wishlist: does this page exist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/1/22 16:10:37, Natalia Rodriguez wrote:
>>>>> > Hey all,
>>>>> > Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your
>>>>> feedback
>>>>> > and for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the
>>>>> > Foundation. These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones
>>>>> > around allocating resources for less supported platforms such as
>>>>> Commons
>>>>> > and broken infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week
>>>>> > with the proposal phase starting Jan 10.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the
>>>>> Wishlist
>>>>> > process so I am answering them here.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >   *
>>>>> > Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new
>>>>> tools?
>>>>> >   o
>>>>> > Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated
>>>>> > with a new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that
>>>>> were
>>>>> > maintenance related. For example, in the last year, we took
>>>>> on
>>>>> > improvement projects for Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR
>>>>> > tools, among other initiatives. We also maintain and fix all
>>>>> the
>>>>> > tools we’ve built 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-24 Thread Gnangarra
so much for all the assurances here
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons/General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets=next=22663179
 Out of scope for our team, which I hope is obvious

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:26, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Commons issues raised in
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets
>
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 05:16, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe, the Community Tech team should start picking up long standing
>> issues first which are being proposed repetitively almost every year but do
>> not get adequate votes to receive their attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 00:59 Mike Peel  wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if the opening of the Wishlist has been announced here yet? But
>>> it seems to be open for proposals until the 23rd.
>>>
>>> Which means I get to propose fixing a simple technical question for the
>>> fifth time in the wishlist: does this page exist?
>>>
>>> Seriously.
>>>
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On 5/1/22 16:10:37, Natalia Rodriguez wrote:
>>> > Hey all,
>>> > Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your feedback
>>> > and for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the
>>> > Foundation. These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones
>>> > around allocating resources for less supported platforms such as
>>> Commons
>>> > and broken infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week
>>> > with the proposal phase starting Jan 10.
>>> >
>>> > In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the
>>> Wishlist
>>> > process so I am answering them here.
>>> >
>>> >   *
>>> > Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new
>>> tools?
>>> >   o
>>> > Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated
>>> > with a new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that were
>>> > maintenance related. For example, in the last year, we took on
>>> >     improvement projects for Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR
>>> > tools, among other initiatives. We also maintain and fix all
>>> the
>>> > tools we’ve built in the past.Check out the fresh documentation
>>> > about what qualifies as a proposal here.
>>> > <
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ#How_to_create_a_good_proposal
>>> ?>
>>> >   o
>>> > Gnangarra, your points about the issues with bulk uploads in
>>> > Commons would make a sound proposal-- a proposal does not have
>>> > to be a new tool in the least. The part about uploading large
>>> > files is out of scope for our team though (see link above about
>>> > our areas of focus, the issue is infrastructural
>>> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86436>and too large for
>>> what
>>> > we can take on). I still believe there is value in suggesting
>>> > it, though.
>>> >   o
>>> > We have Talk to Us
>>> > <
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Updates/Talk_to_Us
>>> >hours
>>> > on January 19-- where the entire team will be available for a
>>> > video call to help folks who want to write proposals and polish
>>> > them so that they may get selected.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   *
>>> > What if what we want fixed is larger than what the Community Tech
>>> > team can accomplish?
>>> >   o
>>> > This year, we will be talking directly with leadership about
>>> > larger wishes that we can't fulfill ourselves. To make this
>>> > possible, we will no longer be formally 'Archiving' ideas. One
>>> > improvement we are implementing from conversations with all of
>>> > you at past Talk to Us Hours and other places, is that we will
>>

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Commons-l] Re: General Maintenance at Commons

2022-01-22 Thread Gnangarra
Two Factor Authentication(TFA), have expanded in the proposal

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 14:57, 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks!
>
> What's tfa?
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 8:01 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> Kaya
>>
>> I have created a wishlist for Commons to have all the phabricator
>> tickets(approximately 900) fixed, the video upload issues to be fixed, tfa
>> to be added to existing tools.  Via a team of Staff and volunteers being
>> created to focus on Commons.
>>
>> Two fold fix the existing problems, and then make it possible to bring
>> new multimedia content to the projects.
>>
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets
>>
>> Its in your hands now.
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] General Maintenance at Commons

2022-01-22 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

I have created a wishlist for Commons to have all the phabricator
tickets(approximately 900) fixed, the video upload issues to be fixed, tfa
to be added to existing tools.  Via a team of Staff and volunteers being
created to focus on Commons.

Two fold fix the existing problems, and then make it possible to bring new
multimedia content to the projects.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets

Its in your hands now.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-22 Thread Gnangarra
Commons issues raised in
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets

On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 05:16, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe, the Community Tech team should start picking up long standing
> issues first which are being proposed repetitively almost every year but do
> not get adequate votes to receive their attention.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 00:59 Mike Peel  wrote:
>
>> Not sure if the opening of the Wishlist has been announced here yet? But
>> it seems to be open for proposals until the 23rd.
>>
>> Which means I get to propose fixing a simple technical question for the
>> fifth time in the wishlist: does this page exist?
>>
>> Seriously.
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> On 5/1/22 16:10:37, Natalia Rodriguez wrote:
>> > Hey all,
>> > Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your feedback
>> > and for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the
>> > Foundation. These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones
>> > around allocating resources for less supported platforms such as
>> Commons
>> > and broken infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week
>> > with the proposal phase starting Jan 10.
>> >
>> > In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the
>> Wishlist
>> > process so I am answering them here.
>> >
>> >   *
>> > Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new tools?
>> >   o
>> > Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated
>> > with a new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that were
>> > maintenance related. For example, in the last year, we took on
>> > improvement projects for Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR
>> > tools, among other initiatives. We also maintain and fix all the
>> > tools we’ve built in the past.Check out the fresh documentation
>> > about what qualifies as a proposal here.
>> > <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ#How_to_create_a_good_proposal
>> ?>
>> >   o
>> > Gnangarra, your points about the issues with bulk uploads in
>> > Commons would make a sound proposal-- a proposal does not have
>> > to be a new tool in the least. The part about uploading large
>> > files is out of scope for our team though (see link above about
>> > our areas of focus, the issue is infrastructural
>> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86436>and too large for
>> what
>> > we can take on). I still believe there is value in suggesting
>> > it, though.
>> >   o
>> > We have Talk to Us
>> > <
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Updates/Talk_to_Us
>> >hours
>> > on January 19-- where the entire team will be available for a
>> > video call to help folks who want to write proposals and polish
>> > them so that they may get selected.
>> >
>> >
>> >   *
>> > What if what we want fixed is larger than what the Community Tech
>> > team can accomplish?
>> >   o
>> > This year, we will be talking directly with leadership about
>> > larger wishes that we can't fulfill ourselves. To make this
>> > possible, we will no longer be formally 'Archiving' ideas. One
>> > improvement we are implementing from conversations with all of
>> > you at past Talk to Us Hours and other places, is that we will
>> > place projects that are too large for us into a new category
>> > called “Larger Suggestions'' because we still want people to be
>> > able to voice those needs. We plan to share this with the
>> > Foundation's leadership during the WMF's annual planning, which
>> > takes place in the spring.
>> >   o
>> > This being said, if you have an idea that may be too large for
>> > us to take on, I would also encourage you to come to Talk to Us
>> > Hours (link above) and see if we can help you workshop the
>> >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Re: Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-11 Thread Gnangarra
Amir

you raise a good point how do things get into the next budget, the simple
answer is first to have people/teams responsible for each of the projects.
Having someone accountable stops the ball being dropped as easily, it means
WMF starts looking at needs on longer timetables. We've seen this with
everything else the WMF does but not where it matters the most the points
which each community relies on.

In the end we should go begging to WMF for platforms to maintained. nor
should we be fighting against a wishlist gadgets just to get heard even
when that list rejects us because its too big an issue.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 16:51, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> (Speaking in my volunteer capacity)
> I doubt there is any malicious intent by WMF. I personally think the
> underlying problem is time. Let me explain.
>
> Fixing a big issue in software takes time (I wrote a long essay about it
> in this thread) so it makes sense WMF annual planning to focus on issues
> before they get to a level that hinders community's work. The problem is
> that an issue doesn't get enough attention if it's not severe enough to
> affect users so the cycle of frustration continues. For example, I sent an
> email in February 2021, at the start of annual planning, to one of the
> directors at product outlining all of the issues of multimedia stack.
> Because at that point, it wasn't this bad, it didn't make it to FY21-22
> plans. Now I feel like a cassandra. We have similar issues in lots of other
> places that will lead to frustration. Load balancers (pybal), dumps, beta
> cluster, flagged revs, patrolling tools, etc. etc.
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 8:21 AM bawolff  wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I find the "not in the annual plan" thing more damning than the
>> actual issue at hand.
>>
>> The core competency of WMF is supposed to be keeping the site running.
>> WMF does a lot of things, some of them very useful, others less so, but at
>> its core its mission is to keep the site going. Everything else should be
>> secondary to that.
>>
>> It should be obvious that running a 300 TB+ media store servicing 70
>> billion requests a month requires occasional investment and maintenance
>>
>> And yet, this was not only not in this year's annual plan, it has been
>> ignored in the annual plan for many many years. We didn't get to this state
>> by just 1 year of neglect.
>>
>> Which raises the question - If wmf is not in the business of keeping the
>> Wikimedia sites going, what is it in the business of?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 6:01 AM Kunal Mehta  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 1/1/22 12:10, Asaf Bartov wrote:
>>> > It seems to me there are *very few* people who could change status
>>> quo,
>>> > not much more than a handful: the Foundation's executive leadership
>>> (in
>>> > its annual planning work, coming up this first quarter of 2022), and
>>> the
>>> > Board of Trustees.
>>>
>>> If the goal is to get paid WMF staff to fix the issues, then you're
>>> correct. However, I do not believe that as a solution is healthy
>>> long-term. The WMF isn't perfect and I don't think it's desirable to
>>> have a huge WMF that tries to do everything and has a monopoly on
>>> technical prioritization.
>>>
>>> The technical stack must be co-owned by volunteers and paid staff from
>>> different orgs at all levels. It's significantly more straightforward
>>> now for trusted volunteers to get NDA/deployment access than it used to
>>> be, there are dedicated training sessions, etc.
>>>
>>> Given that the multimedia stack is neglected and the WMF has given no
>>> indication it intends to work on/fix the problem, we should be
>>> recruiting people outside the WMF's paid staff who are interested in
>>> working on this and give them the necessary access/mentorship to get it
>>> done. Given the amount of work on e.g. T40010[1] to develop an
>>> alternative SVG renderer, I'm sure those people exist.
>>>
>>> Take moving Thumbor to Buster[2] for example. That requires
>>> forward-porting some Debian packages written Python, and then testing in
>>> WMCS that there's no horrible regressions in newer imagemagick, librsvg,
>>> etc. I'm always happy to mentor people w/r to Debian packaging (and have
>>> done so in the past), and there are a decent amount of people in our
>>> community who know Python, and likely others from the Commons community
>>> who would be willing to help with testing and dealing with whatever
>>> fallout.
>>>
>>> So I think the status quo can be changed by just about anyone who is
>>> motivated to do so, not by trying to convince the WMF to change its
>>> prioritization, but just by doing the work. We should be empowering
>>> those people rather than continuing to further entrench a WMF technical
>>> monopoly.
>>>
>>> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40010
>>> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T216815
>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Commons-l] Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-10 Thread Gnangarra
Its one thing allowing access and supporting volunteers, its another to be
abrogating it's responsibility to ensure the stable running of the projecst
for which its collecting millions of dollars in donations every year.

WMF key purpose is to provide the infrastructure need for every project to
operate, at the moment there is no apparent effort from the WMF to do that
for Wikimedia Commons despites it being the vital source for every projects
multimedia.  This isnt one off missed opportunity, its failed in that
responsibility for year after year and now we as contributors are baring
the fruits of that neglect.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 14:01, Kunal Mehta  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 1/1/22 12:10, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> > It seems to me there are *very few* people who could change status quo,
> > not much more than a handful: the Foundation's executive leadership (in
> > its annual planning work, coming up this first quarter of 2022), and the
> > Board of Trustees.
>
> If the goal is to get paid WMF staff to fix the issues, then you're
> correct. However, I do not believe that as a solution is healthy
> long-term. The WMF isn't perfect and I don't think it's desirable to
> have a huge WMF that tries to do everything and has a monopoly on
> technical prioritization.
>
> The technical stack must be co-owned by volunteers and paid staff from
> different orgs at all levels. It's significantly more straightforward
> now for trusted volunteers to get NDA/deployment access than it used to
> be, there are dedicated training sessions, etc.
>
> Given that the multimedia stack is neglected and the WMF has given no
> indication it intends to work on/fix the problem, we should be
> recruiting people outside the WMF's paid staff who are interested in
> working on this and give them the necessary access/mentorship to get it
> done. Given the amount of work on e.g. T40010[1] to develop an
> alternative SVG renderer, I'm sure those people exist.
>
> Take moving Thumbor to Buster[2] for example. That requires
> forward-porting some Debian packages written Python, and then testing in
> WMCS that there's no horrible regressions in newer imagemagick, librsvg,
> etc. I'm always happy to mentor people w/r to Debian packaging (and have
> done so in the past), and there are a decent amount of people in our
> community who know Python, and likely others from the Commons community
> who would be willing to help with testing and dealing with whatever
> fallout.
>
> So I think the status quo can be changed by just about anyone who is
> motivated to do so, not by trying to convince the WMF to change its
> prioritization, but just by doing the work. We should be empowering
> those people rather than continuing to further entrench a WMF technical
> monopoly.
>
> [1] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40010
> [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T216815
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

2022-01-08 Thread Gnangarra
Falling readers means less awareness of being able to edit, that means less
contributors, and less donations.  Over the last 10 years we've put a lot
of effort and support into the basic contribution processes, but the
contributions need to shift to more of what our new audiences are expecting
from websites.  With such a change there is both a need to embrace it and
to facilitate learning the skills, investing in that learning curve.

We cant stay where we are, and we cant move forward without bringing the
community along

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 19:59, Vi to  wrote:

> Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that two
> (shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A
> bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now
> I don't.
>
> Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a significant
> number of potential new editors among the readers we lose in this way
> (also, readers could affect fundraising, but I think we already make enough
> of it). Anecdotically I think new editors rather come from those who look
> for info which cannot be found in knowledge graph, but surely this requires
> a proper investigation.
>
> Vito
>
> Il giorno sab 8 gen 2022 alle ore 12:39 Francesc Fort <
> taronjasatsu...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> The slow but steady decrease in readerships is known and has been
>> identified for a long. An important niche of readership are quick answers
>> for trivia (such as "what's the capital of X country") and there are tools
>> (some of those, powered by Wikidata) working better than a classical google
>> search and clicking on the Wikipedia article.
>>
>> I mean, we talked a lot about this during Strategy. We just must find a
>> solution.
>>
>> F.
>>
>> Missatge de RonnieV  del dia ds., 8 de
>> gen. 2022 a les 10:03:
>>
>>> Could there something be wrong with the presentation?
>>>
>>> The total number of edits at the English Wikipedia should have dropped
>>> 21,23% https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>> 
>>> The numbers at
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org/contributing/edits/normal|table|2-year|~total|monthly
>>> do show 63.8M edits in 2021 and only 61.5M in 2020.
>>>
>>> Do I misinterpret the graph?
>>> ---
>>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>>
>>> RonnieV
>>>
>>>
>>> Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga schreef op 2022-01-07 18:51:
>>>
>>> There's another option: the 2020 pandemic lockdowns made a huge peak on
>>> views, so year on year, 2021 has worse results.
>>>
>>> 2022(e)ko urt. 7(a) 18:41 erabiltzaileak hau idatzi du (Anders
>>> Wennersten ):
>>>
>>> When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
>>> show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
>>> and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
>>>
>>> Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
>>> contributors or is it mostly Google that access our info "smarter" not
>>> creating "views"
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/de.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/en.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/nl.wikipedia.org
>>>
>>> https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/pl.wikipedia.org
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: The Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the Year - Call for Nominations

2022-01-08 Thread Gnangarra
I can understand the indeed for all the publications to be published in one
common language, to enable easier comparison between works and to be able
to share the work across more of the community so we can benefit from the
work.

Perhaps there can be some support provided by the WMF to enable
translations of the research to english in a timely manner. Or at least
allow for an abstract to translated now and for finalists of the potential
works to be translated. Inclusion of communities must be our first priority
above any recognition through awards anything short of that goal
doesnt bestow any value to being awarded something as part of a global
community.

On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 17:40, F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi/Bon dia
>
> As being said, I assume that the eligibility criteria for the award means
> that some reviews or research articles published by colleagues or by me in
> Catalan are considered second-class publications.
>
> If publishing about Wikimedia in our mother languages (most of them
> minorized at several or all levels) results as an exclusion from Wikimedia
> awards, I suspect that the inclusivity of 2030 Strategy is not being
> understood nor starting well at all.
>
> Xavier Dengra
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> El dissabte, 8 de gener 2022 a les 10:20, Gereon Kalkuhl <
> gkalk...@freenet.de> va escriure:
>
> > Thank you, Leila.
> >
> > It's good to have an award like this and I always apreaciate the
> >
> > publications.
> >
> > We have to think about "publication must be available in English" though.
> >
> > On the top of my head I can think of very good non-English research that
> >
> > was published last year.
> >
> > Do we want to be global and inclusive?
> >
> > Best, Gereon
> >
> > Am 07.01.2022 um 20:48 schrieb Leila Zia:
> >
> > > [Apologies for cross-posting.]
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We invite you to nominate one or more scholarly research publications
> > >
> > > to be considered for the Wikimedia Foundation Research Award of the
> > >
> > > Year. Learn more below.
> > >
> > > =Purpose of the award=
> > >
> > > Recognize recent research on or about the Wikimedia projects or recent
> > >
> > > research that is of importance to the Wikimedia projects. Recognize
> > >
> > > the researchers behind the research.
> > >
> > > You can learn more about 2021's winners at
> > >
> > > https://research.wikimedia.org/awards.html .
> > >
> > > =Eligibility criteria=
> > >
> > > Your nomination must meet the following criteria:
> > >
> > > -   The research must be on, about, using data from, and/or of
> > >
> > > importance to Wikipedia, Wikidata, Wikisource, Wikimedia Commons or
> > >
> > > other Wikimedia projects.
> > >
> > > -   The publication must be available in English.
> > >
> > > -   The research must have been published between January 1, 2021 and
> > >
> > > December 31, 2021.
> > >
> > >
> > > =Nomination process=
> > >
> > > Submit your nominations by 2022-02-07 through
> > >
> > > https://easychair.org/conferences/?conf=wmfray2021 . We will ask you
> > >
> > > to provide the following information in your nomination:
> > >
> > > -   Title of the manuscript
> > > -   A copy of the manuscript you are nominating
> > > -   A summary of the research and a clear justification for why the
> work
> > >
> > > merits the award (in 350 words or fewer in English).
> > >
> > > Note that self-nominations and nominations of others' work are both
> welcome.
> > >
> > > ==Winner(s)==
> > >
> > > The winner(s) will be announced in a ceremony as part of Wiki Workshop
> > >
> > > 2022: https://wikiworkshop.org/2022/ .
> > >
> > > If you have any questions, please contact us at
> > >
> > > wmf-ray-2...@easychair.org or here.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
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> > >
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-05 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Natalia

Thank you for the in depth response and clarification of changes to the
wishlist process, as well as how the tech team works.  We do appreciate
knowing that larger issues can be listed and will actually go somewhere
rather than being dismissed as too large.  One thing I'd hope to see is the
tech team to have a specialist contact for each project so that project
specific issues can be highlighted to someone who can translate between
contributors who dont have the tech knowledge or language to assist issues
being clearly reported.

Boodarwun
Gnangarra

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 01:43, Natalia Rodriguez 
wrote:

> Hey all,
> Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your feedback and
> for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the Foundation.
> These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones around allocating
> resources for less supported platforms such as Commons and broken
> infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week with the proposal
> phase starting Jan 10.
>
> In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the Wishlist
> process so I am answering them here.
>
>
>- Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new tools?
>- Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated with a
>   new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that were maintenance
>   related. For example, in the last year, we took on improvement projects 
> for
>   Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR tools, among other initiatives. We
>   also maintain and fix all the tools we’ve built in the past. Check
>   out the fresh documentation about what qualifies as a proposal here.
>   
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ#How_to_create_a_good_proposal?>
>   - Gnangarra, your points about the issues with bulk uploads in
>   Commons would make a sound proposal-- a proposal does not have to be a 
> new
>   tool in the least. The part about uploading large files is out of scope 
> for
>   our team though (see link above about our areas of focus, the issue is
>   infrastructural <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86436> and too
>   large for what we can take on). I still believe there is value in
>   suggesting it, though.
>   - We have Talk to Us
>   
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Updates/Talk_to_Us>
>   hours on January 19-- where the entire team will be available for a 
> video
>   call to help folks who want to write proposals and polish them so that 
> they
>   may get selected.
>
>
>
>- What if what we want fixed is larger than what the Community Tech
>team can accomplish?
>- This year, we will be talking directly with leadership about larger
>   wishes that we can't fulfill ourselves. To make this possible, we will 
> no
>   longer be formally 'Archiving' ideas. One improvement we are 
> implementing
>   from conversations with all of you at past Talk to Us Hours and other
>   places, is that we will place projects that are too large for us into a 
> new
>   category called “Larger Suggestions'' because we still want people to be
>   able to voice those needs. We plan to share this with the Foundation's
>   leadership during the WMF's annual planning, which takes place in the
>   spring.
>   - This being said, if you have an idea that may be too large for us
>   to take on, I would also encourage you to come to Talk to Us Hours (link
>   above) and see if we can help you workshop the proposal into something 
> we
>   can help with. If we can’t then I would still highly encourage you to
>   propose, by all means! Chances are if you think it’s an important 
> problem,
>   many other members do as well.
>   - Finally, the wishlist isn't just for Community Tech. Volunteer
>   developers and other Wikimedia Foundation teams have taken on wishes 
> from
>   the wishlist. For this reason, there is a chance that a wish may not be
>   appropriate for our team, but it can be addressed by someone else.
>
>
>
>- Why isn’t the WMF fixing what we feel are  be the most urgently
>needed fixes in functionality?
>- This is a larger question that gets answered at the board and
>   C-leadership levels. There are also some relatively new teams at the
>   Foundation, such as Architecture and Platform Engineering, that aim to
>   improve the technical infrastructure overall in the years to come. 
> However,
>   every team can help with the answer and Community Tech can help with
>   communication of technical needs. This “Larger Suggestions” co

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2022-01-02 Thread Gnangarra
thank you Geni

> HandBrake can transcode dirrect to WebM these days.
>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 13:40, geni  wrote:

> On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 06:13, Gnangarra  wrote:
> > We found work arounds mostly by paying for 3rd commercial software to do
> the conversion to webm then hoping uploadwizard would work.
>
>
> HandBrake can transcode dirrect to WebM these days.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Commons-l] Re: Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

2022-01-01 Thread Gnangarra
I see part of the problem is that the contributors experiencing the biggest
impact arent the same contributors that have the technical skill sets to
appropriately explain and understand the issues. Adding the the need to be
able to make comparisons between other areas of need just makes its even
more difficult.  None of us want to be putting forward arguments that say
that the WMF should neglect supporting Wikidata functions so that repairs
can be made to Commons functions, this is a loss for everyone.

I know that the experience of the volunteers who spent 3 months in limbo
trying to get the 2021 Wikimania videos converted and uploaded  will feed
back through to WMF hierarchy highlighting, but whether that taken has a
priority needing to be fixed or bug to swatted is unknown.  The underlying
issue isnt so much that we need to fix software(though we do) as it is that
we have structural problems in the way the WMF technical team interacts
with each project. With that its ability to keep with the growth and
maintenance necessary to function effectively.

The point I raised is that like many other aspects the software and
technical support along with its communication channels havent effectively
kept up with the needs of the community, not even the wishlist itself can
keep up with it.  This is why I said we need to pause and rethink the whole
process, focus on clearing whats on the phabricator while we do so.

The frustration comes from being able to upload a video to the likes of
youtube or vimeo in about 15-20 minutes, where as its takes 30 hours to
convert to webm on proprietary software which I have to pay for and then
10-12 attempts over the space of a week or two to upload the video to
commons.  The available tools like Videoconvertor, and Video2Commons are so
unstable that they dont survive the 30 hour conversion process.


On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 at 04:38, Mike Peel  wrote:

> Hi Asaf,
>
> That's a good response, but I'm not sure it provides a practical way
> forward. How can volunteers bring this issue to the attention of the WMF
> leadership to get the allocation of the time of Wikimedia staff who can
> take ownership implement changes here?
>
> Presumably emails on these lists have relatively little impact at the
> most senior levels, so they aren't a good way forward - and similarly on
> Phabricator.
>
> The Wishlist provides a way of showcasing issues and a relatively clear
> way forward to get them implemented, but with really limited capacity.
>
> How would a case for technical support be made apart from that? It's not
> clear if a simple survey would be sufficient. Would an RfC and
> discussion on meta help? Does it need the media to be involved to make
> it a public crisis? Or should it be proposed as a grant request, perhaps
> for a Wikimedia affiliate to implement? Or is there another avenue that
> could be persued? Bearing in mind that there's no practical way for
> community members to propose changes to the WMF annual plan for multiple
> years now.
>
> Sorry to defocus things and express more frustration, but I think there
> should be a clear way forward with this type of issue, which isn't
> obvious right now. Personally, my hopes are on the Wishlist, although
> I'll be reposting a 14-year-old issue there for the fifth time when that
> process opens on the 10th January...
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> On 1/1/22 20:10:43, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> > Writing in my volunteer capacity:
> >
> > On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, 08:43 Amir Sarabadani  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> > Honestly, the situation is more dire than you think. For example,
> > until a couple months ago, we didn't have backups for the media
> > files. There was a live copy in the secondary datacenter but for
> > example if due to a software issue, we lost some files, they were
> > gone. I would like to thank Jaime Crespo for pushing for it and
> > implementing the backups.
> >
> > But I beat my drum again, it's not something you can fix overnight.
> > I'm sure people are monitoring this mailing list and are aware of
> > the problem.
> >
> >
> > [My goal in this post is to ficus effort and reduce frustration.]
> >
> > Yes, people reading here are aware, and absolutely none of them expects
> > this (i.e. multimedia technical debt and missing features) to be fixed
> > overnight.
> >
> > What's lacking, as you pointed out, is ownership of the problem.  To own
> > the problem, one must have *both* technical understanding of the issues
> > *and* a mandate to devote resources to addressing them.
> >
> > It is this *combination* that we don't have at the moment. Lots of
> > technical people are aware, and some of them quite willing to work
> > toward addressing the issues, but they are not empowered to set
> > priorities and commit resources for an effort of that scale, and the
> > problems, for the most part, don't easily lend themselves to volunteer
> > development.
> >
> > It seems to me there are 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-30 Thread Gnangarra
>
> Core challenges like Commons stability + capacity deserve their own
> thread! I believe the wishlist is traditionally for something else.


There is nowhere else to raise these issue, especially for people like me
who are photographers not a software and tech person. I know the
phabricator exists and comment there occasionally but again things get
close because its too hard.

Tools are great, new tools can sometimes improve other times they generate
more issues.

I get it I'd rather get together with a bunch of photographers, talk gear,
test gear, and look to outdo each other with the best shots.  Wishlist, the
Hack-a-thons serve this need for the tech community. we get to offer up
some ideas on what could make things easier for us.  The wish list also the
one time of the year where everyone is listen to needs.

The list of issues on Commons are staggering and Commons feeds into every
other project, it was created to support media uploads.  As part of COT for
2021 I was also involved in uploading of all the session recordings, and I
answered many questions about why was it taking so long, will captions be
added all I could say was Commons wasnt letting us upload large files,
Video2Commons, and VideoConverter kept falling over we couldnt get answers.
We found work arounds mostly by paying for 3rd commercial software to do
the conversion to webm then hoping uploadwizard would work. We even tried
to find server side uploading support but despite instructions on how that
isnt supported.

I see no need to create new tools when the underlying systems are failing,
its clear indication that we as community have lost our way.  The wishlist
get what little funding the WMF is willing to spend on tech.  As some who
has participated in the wishlist over the years, tried to get funding to
fix items like QRpedia,  the thing I see is that this isnt working the tech
teams arent keeping up with the core functions of projects so forget about
extra toys.  Every other aspect of the community has had reviews been first
being paused, the whole community has been consulted, and then its been
realigned to suit future needs.   Its all for nothing if we dont drill down
to the core of the tech that the whole thing relies upon,  if that means we
need to spend on extra people then the cost is justifiable because every
dollar of the hundred million stashed away in future funds is worthless if
the systems keeps failing or like commons appears to have reached
completely collapses.

We dont need wishes, or votes to decide whats important when theres no way
to contribute.


On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 23:50, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Szymon: neat, thanks.  How do past suggestions carry over?
>
> We should definitely make more use of community-curated priority lists
> (annotated with how separable / hard they are; where they sit on the 'new
> solution <--> pay off tech debt' spectrum).  And see if we can support a
> broader range of technical hubs + community groups tackling some of them.
>
> Core challenges like Commons stability + capacity deserve their own
> thread! I believe the wishlist is traditionally for something else.
>
> NBB: An interesting idea (below).  It would be good for us to develop
> patterns w/ more shared creative leeway for experimenting with a collective
> call to action around major initiatives.  Mozilla has some approaches to
> this. Including bounties, grants, outreach campaigns to recruit new
> contributors, awards for essential tools, workshops to train people in
> related toolchains so they can help move the space forward.
>
> S.
>
> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 6:52 AM  wrote:
>
>> This is a proposal that would need to be included in next year's funding
>> plan. It also would involve an obligation for the other teams within the
>> Foundation.
>>
>> **Part 1: Funding redistribution and Big Ticket team**
>> I propose that we stand-up a 2nd community wishlist team... to handle the
>> "Big Ticket" items, beyond the capacities of the current team.
>> **Part 2: blocked item obligations**
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-30 Thread Gnangarra
The wishlist are things the WMF puts resources to including staff time

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 17:46, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Is the community wishlist not for for projects run by volunteers?
> Volunteers do what they choose, employees do what they are paid for.
> Keeping the Wikis functional should be the work of employees and the WMF.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Gnangarra [mailto:gnanga...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 29 December 2021 07:37
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming.
> Help us and prepare
>
>
>
> Kaya
>
>
> Instead of putting resources into making more tools, how about putting
> more resources into sustainability. For a large part of the last 12 months
> Commons has been unable to upload large files, bulk upload tools falling
> over have been hampering efforts to engage with GLAMs.   Every other aspect
> of the WMF work has been put on hold while reviews into the systems take
> place. I think it's time to put new development on hold or at least limit
> priority and capacity then focus efforts on updating and upgrading existing
> tools. If those tools cant be fixed, rewrite them from scratch
>
>
>
> Gnangarra
>
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 12:08, Szymon Grabarczuk 
> wrote:
>
> The Community Wishlist Survey 2022
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022> starts
> in less than two weeks (Monday 10 January 2022, 18:00 UTC
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20220110T1800>).
> We, the team organizing the Survey, need your help.
>
>- Translate important messages
>
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate=agg-Community_Wishlist_Survey=page>
>and/or
>- Promote the Survey
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Help_us>
>among anyone and everyone you know who has an account on wiki. Promote the
>Survey on social media, via instant messaging apps, in other groups and
>chats, in your WikiProject, Wikimedia affiliate - wherever contributors
>with registered accounts may be.
>- You may also start thinking about ideas for technical improvements
>or even writing them down in the CWS sandbox
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Sandbox>.
>
> *Why are we asking?*
>
>- We have improved the documentation
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ>. It's
>friendlier and easier to use. This will mean little if it's only in 
> English.
>- Thousands of volunteers haven't participated in the Survey yet. We'd
>like to improve that, too. Three years ago, 1387 people participated. Last
>year, there were 1773 of them. We hope that in the upcoming edition, there
>will be even more - if you help us with translations. Also, you are better
>than us in contacting Wikimedians outside of wikis. We have prepared some
>images to share. More to come.
>
> *What is the Community Wishlist Survey?*
>
>
>
> It's an annual survey that allows contributors to the Wikimedia projects
> to propose and vote for tools and platform improvements. Long years of
> experience in editing or technical skills are not required.
>
>
>
> Thank you for your time and attention. To those who have participated in
> the Survey - many thanks for your dedication.
>
>
>
> See you in January!
>
>
>
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>
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>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-29 Thread Gnangarra
The wishlist has reached the end of useful life, I think before we go down
that track again we have to look hard at what purpose it serves and what
other parts of the whole IT/programming area needs to be consider. To do
that put the wish list on hold, clear the backlog of phabricator tickets
and bring what tools we have had created over the last 15 years back to
full serviceability or shut them down and replace them.

In saying that, there may still be a much needed tool so limit what gets
accepted and ask for needs fixing

On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 19:26, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> I'm not debating your note. It is very valid that we lack proper support
> for multimedia stack. I myself wrote a detailed rant on how broken it is
> [1] but three notes:
>  - Fixing something like this takes time, you need to assign the budget
> for it (which means it has to be done during the annual planning) and if
> gets approved, you need to start it with the fiscal year (meaning July
> 2022) and then hire (meaning, write JD, do recruitment, interview lots of
> people, get them hired) which can take from several months to years. Once
> they are hired, you need to onboard them and let them learn about our
> technical infrastructure which takes at least two good months. Software
> engineering is not magic, it takes time, blood and sweat. [2]
>  - Making another team focus on multimedia requires changes in planning,
> budget, OKR, etc. etc. Are we sure moving the focus of teams is a good
> idea? Most teams are already focusing on vital parts of wikimedia and
> changing the focus will turn this into a whack-a-mole game where we fix
> multimedia but now we have critical issues in security or performance.
>  - Voting Wishlist survey is a good band-aid in the meantime. To at least
> address the worst parts for now.
>
> I don't understand your point tbh, either you think it's a good idea to
> make requests for improvements in multimedia in the wishlist survey or you
> think it's not. If you think it's not, then it's offtopic to this thread.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/WMPZHMXSLQJ6GONAVTFLDFFMPNJDVORS/
> [2] There is a classic book in this topic called "The Mythical Man-month"
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:41 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> we have to vote for regular maintenance and support for
>> essential functions like uploading files which is the core mission of
>> Wikimedia Commons
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 17:32, Amir Sarabadani 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The wishlist survey is defined as:
>>> > The Community Wishlist Survey is an annual survey that allows
>>> contributors to the Wikimedia projects to propose and vote for tools and
>>> platform improvements
>>>
>>> That doesn't necessarily translate into just "new tools". The community
>>> can wish for better support of multimedia stack and improvements on the
>>> multimedia platform and If it gets enough votes, I'm hopeful it'll be
>>> picked up.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:02 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice. This looks much better than before. Previously it felt so many
>>>> people had high hopes for projects that are outside of capacities that are
>>>> committed to this project. I feel this needs to be a super clear fact from
>>>> the start and not ask for the global community to commit XYZ number of
>>>> hours in the actions of promoting, translating, proposing and decision
>>>> making processes when developers can commit far less back to the same
>>>> community. Otherwise it feels like unbalanced work from a more holistic
>>>> perspective, but this is also non-exceptional...no?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-29 Thread Gnangarra
we have to vote for regular maintenance and support for essential functions
like uploading files which is the core mission of Wikimedia Commons

On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 17:32, Amir Sarabadani  wrote:

> The wishlist survey is defined as:
> > The Community Wishlist Survey is an annual survey that allows
> contributors to the Wikimedia projects to propose and vote for tools and
> platform improvements
>
> That doesn't necessarily translate into just "new tools". The community
> can wish for better support of multimedia stack and improvements on the
> multimedia platform and If it gets enough votes, I'm hopeful it'll be
> picked up.
>
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 8:02 AM Željko Blaće  wrote:
>
>> Nice. This looks much better than before. Previously it felt so many
>> people had high hopes for projects that are outside of capacities that are
>> committed to this project. I feel this needs to be a super clear fact from
>> the start and not ask for the global community to commit XYZ number of
>> hours in the actions of promoting, translating, proposing and decision
>> making processes when developers can commit far less back to the same
>> community. Otherwise it feels like unbalanced work from a more holistic
>> perspective, but this is also non-exceptional...no?
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

2021-12-28 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

Instead of putting resources into making more tools, how about putting more
resources into sustainability. For a large part of the last 12 months
Commons has been unable to upload large files, bulk upload tools falling
over have been hampering efforts to engage with GLAMs.   Every other aspect
of the WMF work has been put on hold while reviews into the systems take
place. I think it's time to put new development on hold or at least limit
priority and capacity then focus efforts on updating and upgrading existing
tools. If those tools cant be fixed, rewrite them from scratch

Gnangarra

On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 12:08, Szymon Grabarczuk 
wrote:

> The Community Wishlist Survey 2022
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022> starts
> in less than two weeks (Monday 10 January 2022, 18:00 UTC
> <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20220110T1800>).
> We, the team organizing the Survey, need your help.
>
>- Translate important messages
>
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate=agg-Community_Wishlist_Survey=page>
>and/or
>- Promote the Survey
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Help_us>
>among anyone and everyone you know who has an account on wiki. Promote the
>Survey on social media, via instant messaging apps, in other groups and
>chats, in your WikiProject, Wikimedia affiliate - wherever contributors
>with registered accounts may be.
>- You may also start thinking about ideas for technical improvements
>or even writing them down in the CWS sandbox
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Sandbox>.
>
> *Why are we asking?*
>
>- We have improved the documentation
><https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ>. It's
>friendlier and easier to use. This will mean little if it's only in 
> English.
>- Thousands of volunteers haven't participated in the Survey yet. We'd
>like to improve that, too. Three years ago, 1387 people participated. Last
>year, there were 1773 of them. We hope that in the upcoming edition, there
>will be even more - if you help us with translations. Also, you are better
>than us in contacting Wikimedians outside of wikis. We have prepared some
>images to share. More to come.
>
> *What is the Community Wishlist Survey?*
>
> It's an annual survey that allows contributors to the Wikimedia projects
> to propose and vote for tools and platform improvements. Long years of
> experience in editing or technical skills are not required.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention. To those who have participated in
> the Survey - many thanks for your dedication.
>
> See you in January!
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Fwd: Meta, WikiMedia, and the Hewlett Foundation partner with Africa No Filter

2021-12-22 Thread Gnangarra
rouped together in a
> >> single announcement, we can't control the way a third party decides to
> >> share their information.
> >>
> >> Our work with the Africa Union has started in 2021 as part of the work
> >> the Foundation has done to listen to local initiatives, identify ways
> >> to engage, and support existing priorities in the region. Recognizing
> >> we can always do better, our teams are plugged into the field as much
> >> as possible, hearing needs and identifying synergies to what the
> >> movement is prioritizing locally. We strongly believe this project is
> >> aligned and follows the line of other projects we've been supporting
> >> in the region. This or any other project is also not coming from staff
> >> or stakeholders outside of Africa, and it's our critical intention
> >> that relevant work for the region and our movement there is led and
> >> supported regionally. We can also assure you that the project will
> >> continue to have plenty of room for feedback and discussion, as it's
> >> meant to be implemented within the movement priorities in 2022. We
> >> expect to have those interested partake and get involved!
> >>
> >> Your email does flag something relevant that we take to heart, which
> >> is how we can find ways to make sure relevant stakeholders locally can
> >> have better participation and due diligence earlier in these
> >> processes. Our intention will never be to create competing priorities,
> >> yet we don't think it's also feasible to consult each and every
> >> opportunity at hand, creating even extra work for volunteers. We
> >> believe there's a delicate balance, and the Foundation continues to do
> >> its best to find the best ways to reach. We take this opportunity as a
> >> learning on how more expansive and trust-building forums can be
> >> created while balancing volunteer requests, as we continue to
> >> regionalize and localize our work as much as possible as mandated by
> >> Movement Strategy.
> >>
> >> We look forward to sharing more about this project in January 2022,
> >> and to more opportunities for dialogue in the new year. I wish you a
> >> restful and lovely break, in hopes the new year brings us more spaces
> >> to share and build together.
> >>
> >> Warmly,
> >> Jorge
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:58 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
> >>
> >> HI Jorge
> >>
> >> I find it disturbing that you dont have a detailed answer even
> >> now, and that the WMF would agree to partnerships which dont
> >> respect the community its the community who has built and maintain
> >> the credibility of the projects.
> >>
> >> While its nice to see high level efforts from the WMF extreme care
> >> should be being taken in who we partner with and how they present
> >> the relationship.  I find it troubling that a partner can make an
> >> announcement and include a third party, especially when that
> >> third party has a long history for data collection, private data
> >> resale, supporting fake news, and violating copyright.
> >>
> >> Knowing this how robust are the data privacy exchanges what
> >> security is in place between the WMF and ANf & AU given that they
> >> are working with such a concerning third party and see the two as
> >> intertwined the "jumping of the gun" and link that third both very
> >> little respect for us
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Gnangarra
> >>
> >> On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 03:39, Yael Weissburg
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thank you, Jorge, for this thoughtful and clear response.
> >>
> >> Florence, Xavier, and others: I know there's often good reason
> >> to message Wikimedia-l, and also to let you know that you can
> >> always reach the WMF Partnerships team at
> >> partnersh...@wikimedia.org and on our Meta page
> >> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Partnerships_team> if
> >> you want to engage with us directly!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Yael
> >>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Introducing the Wikimedia Wikimedia Affiliates Environmental Sustainability Covenant

2021-12-21 Thread Gnangarra
fement-climatique/
>>
>>
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>>
>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
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>> http://wikimedia.de
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>> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen
>> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei!
>> http://spenden.wikimedia.de
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>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V.
>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter
>> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für
>> Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Approval of Human Rights Policy

2021-12-21 Thread Gnangarra
I think there is some poor wording being used ignoring nuances of the
English language and how different people speak it.  One point that hits
hard for me is the way its being framed as "policy" rather than
"principles".  Policy is too strong a word for its something that is
beholden with political obligations that shifts the WMF away from the core
pillars.  For many jurisdictions the term policy is going to translate into
activism, advocacy, even into the realm of labelling all Wikimedians as
lobbyists, or trouble makers.

Whereas if we take as a principle it sets this as an expectation of our
community and our internal activities, it does not cross that line into
areas which cause concern, dissent, and fear within governments, GLAMs,
government  agencies with whom we need to work. It also limits the risk to
communities who are charitable organisations, and individuals that want to
contribute without the fear of being labelled as a subversive.

Its one thing to consider what we do and put guides in place its another
for the WMF to step into areas, or push our contributors into positions
that have implications beyond sharing knowledge.

On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 22:02, Nathan  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 11:12 PM Dan Szymborski 
> wrote:
> 
>>
>> The WMF likes the *idea* of this being a community-driven, collaborative
>> project rather than actually doing the stuff that *makes* it a
>> community-driven, collaborative project. How many times does this process
>> have to repeat in identical fashion before we stop pretending that this
>> *is* a community-driven collaborative project? If the goal is simply to be
>> another generic top-down Silicon Valley information charity, just one that
>> has somehow procured a gigantic unpaid workforce that the elites can
>> command, then just state it outright so that people don't spend their free
>> hours toiling in the delusion they're part of a movement.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> There's a misunderstanding here, I think. The Wikimedia movement and the
> Wikimedia projects are community-driven and collaborative. The WMF itself
> is not and has never been. People who expect the WMF to be managed by
> consensus, determined by RfC, are destined to always be disappointed.  The
> WMF certainly knows many people in the Wikimedia world have that
> expectation, and I suppose they considered and rejected the possibility of
> engaging in a community process for this policy. My criticism of the policy
> itself is that it contains very aspirational statements; I would have
> preferred it to be focused on what practical actions the WMF can take, and
> build a policy around how and when those actions will be taken.
>
> In any case, the WMF is not a governance experiment. The projects are, to
> some extent, although that is not their *purpose*. Expecting every policy
> and decision to be workshopped with "the community" is essentially
> demanding the WMF be dissolved.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Fwd: Meta, WikiMedia, and the Hewlett Foundation partner with Africa No Filter

2021-12-08 Thread Gnangarra
HI Jorge

I find it disturbing that you dont have a detailed answer even now, and
that the WMF would agree to partnerships which dont respect the community
its the community who has built and maintain the credibility of the
projects.

While its nice to see high level efforts from the WMF extreme care should
be being taken in who we partner with and how they present the
relationship.  I find it troubling that a partner can make an announcement
and include a third party, especially when that third party has a long
history for data collection, private data resale, supporting fake news, and
violating copyright.

Knowing this how robust are the data privacy exchanges what security is in
place between the WMF and ANf & AU given that they are working with such a
concerning third party and see the two as intertwined the "jumping of the
gun" and link that third both very little respect for us

Regards
Gnangarra

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 03:39, Yael Weissburg 
wrote:

> Thank you, Jorge, for this thoughtful and clear response.
>
> Florence, Xavier, and others: I know there's often good reason to message
> Wikimedia-l, and also to let you know that you can always reach the WMF
> Partnerships team at partnersh...@wikimedia.org and on our Meta page
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Partnerships_team> if
> you want to engage with us directly!
>
> Best,
>
> Yael
>
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> E: yweissb...@wikimedia.org 
> M: +1.415.513.6643
>
> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jorge Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Florence,
>>
>> Thanks for your email. We wanted to acknowledge receipt and say that
>> we're working on a more detailed answer about the partnership with Africa
>> No Filter (ANF) and the Africa Union (AU), and to some of the higher-level
>> points you've raised around our general approach to this work.
>>
>> We're gathering all the right information to make sure we can offer a
>> comprehensive answer, but in short, to your first question, the
>> collaboration between WMF and ANF described in the announcement, is led by
>> the Foundation's Partnerships and Community Programs teams and will be
>> implemented in collaboration with Wikimedia communities. This collaboration
>> sits under a larger ongoing relationship with the African Union, who were
>> actually the ones who first connected us to ANF. We broadly introduced the
>> project during this specific session [1] at WikiIndaba, and have a
>> comprehensive Diff post coming up soon with more information about this
>> project's goals and how it connects with existing movement priorities,
>> which we are happy to forward to this thread when it’s live. Unfortunately,
>> ANF went slightly earlier on what was going to be a joint announcement, and
>> we're talking with them on how this came about.
>>
>> To be clear, we are not partnering on this project with Meta; we are
>> partnering solely with ANF and the Africa Union, within their 2063 Agenda
>> strategy [2] for the region. We have no involvement in the separate
>> partnership that ANF announced with Meta in the same announcement.
>>
>> We read your email as elevating some larger concerns we want to make sure
>> are heard, for us all to have a good faith and important dialogue on how we
>> inform, collaborate, and work with the Movement in partnership-related
>> activity. Our intention is never to create overlapping/conflictive work
>> with the ones in the Movement, but rather add value and collaborate, as we
>> believe we are doing in this case.
>>
>> We will be providing an answer soon with more details.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jorge Vargas
>> Director of Regional Partnerships
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiIndaba_conference_2021/Program/The_future_of_knowledge_creation_in_Africa_through_partnerships
>> [2] https://au.int/en/agenda2063/overview
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:36 AM F. Xavier Dengra i Grau via Wikimedia-l <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Thank you for raising up this topic in the list, Florence. I fully agree
>>> with you in all your points and find it of great concern, especially
>>> regarding accountability of the WMF towards the community. But also because
>>> its increasing agreements and decisions that are not thoroughly reviewed or
>>> shared before a long way (i.e. money, hiring and staffing time expenditure)
>>> has already been done.
>>>
>>> This matter can be linked a lot with the long debate that Galder

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small gratitude to our fellow wikimedians

2021-11-08 Thread Gnangarra
In some ways we do https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:In_Memoriam

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 04:46, Camelia Boban  wrote:

> Hi everybody.
>
> Today, on the social media channels, we received the news about another
> wikimedian who is passed away: Steve Suleeman (User:Stephensuleeman from
> idwiki). As others in the recent or distant past: Spasimir Pilev
> (User:Спасимир Пилев from bgwiki), Pier Luigi Rocco (User:Moroboshi from
> itwiki), Elena Sanz Queiruga (User:ElsaBornFree from
> eswiki), User:SlimVirgin from enwiki, Krzysztof Machocki
> (User:Halibutt from plwiki).
>
> For these losses, I think we - as a community, through the Wikimedia
> Foundation - need to set up a fund to build a commemorative plaque to
> remember all the wikimedians we have lost.
>
> I would suggest it to be a thought from the community, extended also to
> all other major events of a wikimedian's life (marriage, birth of a child).
> We know a wikimedian often sacrifices the free time, dedicating a large
> part of their own real life to our projects and the movement. Would be a
> recognition from the community for the work done and a memory for the
> families, a "small gratitude to our fellow wikimedians" as someone said.
>
> I know that some affiliates are already doing this (eq. Wikimedia
> Indonesia), would be a lovely idea to do it in a centralized way at the
> level of the whole movement.
>
> What do you think?
> Camelia
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Gnangarra
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Meet the new Movement Charter Drafting Committee members

2021-11-02 Thread Gnangarra
strategy process.
>>>>
>>>> Of course broad geographic and project backgrounds, and good language
>>>>> diversity (within the drafting group and through available tools to 
>>>>> support
>>>>> work with others) are important for this work.  But please don't exclude
>>>>> any participant from that, based on the experimental mix of selection
>>>>> processes.  We are all wikimedians.  Runa and Jorge for instance have been
>>>>> advancing the global movement towards free knowledge, culture and tools 
>>>>> for
>>>>> a very long time.  And having a translation expert actively involved 
>>>>> should
>>>>> help amplify different voices :).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for my English, I am not a native English speaker, so maybe there
>>>> is a misunderstanding. I have not excluded anyone as you are saying. Runa
>>>> and Jorge are amazing people in the movement but I was talking about
>>>> geographical representation of the communities and they are appointed by
>>>> WMF as their representative, so geographical representation does not stand
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS - There are still many, many systemic gaps and biases in our
>>>>> communities and our knowledge.  The focus on elevating and connecting
>>>>> regional hubs may help address this, and I dearly hope to see thriving 
>>>>> hubs
>>>>> in Asia. But I wouldn't say the next billion participants, editors, and
>>>>> learners will come from any one region; rather from underserved 
>>>>> communities
>>>>> everywhere in the world! (And by stats like readership
>>>>> <https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/animations/wivivi/wivivi.html>,
>>>>> communities in Africa are still the least reached, including proportional
>>>>> to connectivity.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More than 4 billion people live here in South Asian and ESEAP
>>>> countries. If our next billion readers will not come from here by 2030,
>>>> then where will it come from? These are developing countries embracing
>>>> technology at a high rate. (Anyway, my opinion concerns Africa too. There
>>>> is only 1 representative from the entire Sub-Saharan Africa.)
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bodhisattwa
>>>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Investigation of possible AffCom's violations - your input welcomed!

2021-10-26 Thread Gnangarra
During my time on Wikimedia Australia Committee/board the Affcom members
were elected by the Affiliates, though like all committees individuals can
be cooped to fill specific needs

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 18:53, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> "Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community elected
> committee." - No, despite the dubious information that AffCom keeps about
> themselves on their meta page, they are not "elected", and they do not
> answer to the community 8Wikimedia Movement), as you seem to believe.
> They are nominated (by themselves, none the less), and they work for WMF
> BoT (they are a committee of the BoT), and answer to none other than WMF
> BoT. So yes, I'm pretty sure these principles do fully apply to them.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Gnangarra  escreveu no dia terça, 26/10/2021 à(s)
> 00:45:
>
>> Michal
>>
>> The guiding principles you refer to state "*These are not principles
>> intended to cover the entire Wikimedia movement, just the Wikimedia
>> Foundation*"
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles.
>> Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community elected
>> committee. As a liaison for the WMF to AFFCOM the person you refer to must
>> follow the decisions of the committee and is limited to how much they can
>> respond.   This is the third forum you have shopped in attacking someone
>> who is unable to respond, your complaint is that you dont like a decision
>> made by Affcom.
>>
>> Your action do clearly read as a personal public attack intended to
>> negatively affect her reputation, you state that it is by saying " *I
>> would much rather to communicate about these affairs privately. 
>> **Unfortunately,
>> I have recognized her in the MCDC too lately for private communication*"
>>  It is never too late for private discussion and in every event it is
>> always best to work directly with people to resolve an issue rather than
>> post long rambling emails to lists like this and other pub;ic communication
>> channels as the person cannot respond in every forum and will never have
>> the ability for everyone who has read your rant to get a clear outcome.  As
>> an employee future employers will also see these threads, again they wont
>> find resolutions or any apology.
>>
>> Act respectfully and take your issues to AFFCOM or to the WMF employees
>> line manager privately.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gnangarra
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 02:45, Michal Matúšov 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Risker,
>>>
>>> first of all I would like to emphasize that I am not sure whether AffCom
>>> is violating WMF Guiding principles or not. I have my strong opinion based
>>> on months of interactions, but I consider that investigation is needed
>>> to be sure. And in order to receive diverse data for a meaningful
>>> investigation I have launched this thread and some data have started to
>>> come (thanks Lane!).
>>>
>>> Now to the point, what are the possible AffCom's violations of WMF
>>> Guiding principles? Here are some examples (sorry in advance that they are
>>> going to be bit longer that I would like..):
>>>
>>> Over the last months I have been in intense communication with AffCom
>>> over several things. While I have expected (and accepted) that some
>>> communication can be rather slow (because of the structure of AffCom), it
>>> showed up that some communication from AffCom is at best very misleading.
>>> E.g. AffCom reactively (on my question) informed WUG Esperanto and Free
>>> Knowledge (EliSo) that AffCom put on hold EliSo's recognition as a hematic
>>> Organisation. As a reason AffCom mentioned "several issues" and that AffCom
>>> is already dealing about them "with the group". It showed up that nor
>>> issues, nor dealing up with the group [EliSo] was true... I have asked
>>> AffCom several times when it put EliSo's recognition on hold but AffCom
>>> never clearly answered that. *That is taking 3 months now!* AffCom
>>> despite my clear question to inform ELiSo about when AffCom put ELiSo's
>>> recognition on hold never answered this question. That would be rather
>>> annoying, but the additional fact is that EliSo asked for ThemOrg
>>> recognition on late november 2020. So according to ThemOrg requirements
>>> page [1] , the projected time for approval is 4–6 months, meaning that
>>> ELiSo would be projected to be recognized in late March - May 2021

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Investigation of possible AffCom's violations - your input welcomed!

2021-10-25 Thread Gnangarra
Michal

The guiding principles you refer to state "*These are not principles
intended to cover the entire Wikimedia movement, just the Wikimedia
Foundation*"
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Guiding_Principles.
Affcom cant be violating this as they are a volunteer community elected
committee. As a liaison for the WMF to AFFCOM the person you refer to must
follow the decisions of the committee and is limited to how much they can
respond.   This is the third forum you have shopped in attacking someone
who is unable to respond, your complaint is that you dont like a decision
made by Affcom.

Your action do clearly read as a personal public attack intended to
negatively affect her reputation, you state that it is by saying " *I would
much rather to communicate about these affairs privately. **Unfortunately,
I have recognized her in the MCDC too lately for private communication*"
 It is never too late for private discussion and in every event it is
always best to work directly with people to resolve an issue rather than
post long rambling emails to lists like this and other pub;ic communication
channels as the person cannot respond in every forum and will never have
the ability for everyone who has read your rant to get a clear outcome.  As
an employee future employers will also see these threads, again they wont
find resolutions or any apology.

Act respectfully and take your issues to AFFCOM or to the WMF employees
line manager privately.

Regards
Gnangarra

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 at 02:45, Michal Matúšov 
wrote:

> Dear Risker,
>
> first of all I would like to emphasize that I am not sure whether AffCom
> is violating WMF Guiding principles or not. I have my strong opinion based
> on months of interactions, but I consider that investigation is needed
> to be sure. And in order to receive diverse data for a meaningful
> investigation I have launched this thread and some data have started to
> come (thanks Lane!).
>
> Now to the point, what are the possible AffCom's violations of WMF Guiding
> principles? Here are some examples (sorry in advance that they are going to
> be bit longer that I would like..):
>
> Over the last months I have been in intense communication with AffCom over
> several things. While I have expected (and accepted) that some
> communication can be rather slow (because of the structure of AffCom), it
> showed up that some communication from AffCom is at best very misleading.
> E.g. AffCom reactively (on my question) informed WUG Esperanto and Free
> Knowledge (EliSo) that AffCom put on hold EliSo's recognition as a hematic
> Organisation. As a reason AffCom mentioned "several issues" and that AffCom
> is already dealing about them "with the group". It showed up that nor
> issues, nor dealing up with the group [EliSo] was true... I have asked
> AffCom several times when it put EliSo's recognition on hold but AffCom
> never clearly answered that. *That is taking 3 months now!* AffCom
> despite my clear question to inform ELiSo about when AffCom put ELiSo's
> recognition on hold never answered this question. That would be rather
> annoying, but the additional fact is that EliSo asked for ThemOrg
> recognition on late november 2020. So according to ThemOrg requirements
> page [1] , the projected time for approval is 4–6 months, meaning that
> ELiSo would be projected to be recognized in late March - May 2021. So
> AffCom reactively (!) informed ELiSo about putting on hold its ThemOrg
> application after 2 months of the longest projected time for approval... *In
> summary*: AffCom have communicated false information, non-proactively and
> in a secretive manner. In my personal opinion it is in conflict with the
> principle of transparency and accountability.
>
> I am during last 4,5 years involved in helping WUG WMSVK to stop violating
> its bylaws and correct its past and current intentional {and possibly
> non-intentional) violations of Bylaws, Board agreements and possibly
> national laws. AffCom is formally involved since early 2020 and in December
> 2021 AffCom took full responsibility for WUG WMSVK. During the time of most
> engagement, AffCom was (and still is) very secretive and hardly ever and
> only after several attempts to communication does provide a clear answer of
> meaningful clarification. Under AffCom's full responsibility, WMSVK did
> nearly nothing to stop violations and correct the past ones. So AffCom is
> fully responsible for these violations, what is in conflict with the WMF
> Guiding principle of Shared power, as it is Bylaw which define power
> division. Later AffCom pushed for a mediation between me and WMSVK. After
> about 2 months of delays, AffCom informed me that the mediation is
> canceled. After that, the WMSVK's chair informed me, that AffCom informed
> 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Regarding a series of serious office actions / 有关于一系列的办事处行动

2021-09-15 Thread Gnangarra
Hello ytcontact07

It is just like evacuating a village before a typhoon hits, or a volcano
erupts. It's going to inconvenience a few people but it's better than doing
nothing.  Some people may not return to the village but the villagers were
saved and they'll be ready if it happens again even taking proactive steps
beforehand.

On Wed, 15 Sept 2021 at 16:19,  wrote:

> Hello Maggie,
>
> First of all, as others have pointed out, this English-Chinese translation
> is horrendous. I am pretty certain even Google translate wouldn't contain
> this much of misused characters. Please revise this translation.
>
> Second, you have made some very serious allegations in this statement but
> with little substantiating evidence of any sort. I do not know what kind of
> organizational and administrative power Wikimedia Foundation has over the
> Wikipedia community, regional communities, and others; but even if the
> power demonstrated in this statement is correctly vetted, there is still
> tremendous burden of proof to explain this action. Otherwise this statement
> would be simply another misguided political attempt in a community that it
> does not belong, as well as further damaging the communities of Wikimedians
> in a region that really should have received much more support in order to
> extend the reach of free knowledge.
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Results for the most contended Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

2021-09-08 Thread Gnangarra
The failure wasnt in the election system, the failure was in the lack of
candidates having the global presence that gives people the confidence to
vote for them. The question is how do we raise the global identities of
more candidates and how do we counter the benefits of 20 years of EU/NA
dominance of the movement in a way that brings new voices to the table.
Quotas and regional specific seats is only a temporary solution to achieve
an immediate adjustment, longer term we need to support better solutions
including significant focus of activities in those areas, building of
bigger formal Chapters, more significant events like Wikicom, Wikimania,
Hackathon as these are where the global profiles grow and people develop
the community insights to be able to speak about what matters to the whole
community.

On Thu, 9 Sept 2021 at 03:11, Chris Keating 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 8:40 PM Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
>> I too am disappointed (but not surprised) that STV had almost no effect
>>> at all on the outcome of this election
>>>
>>
>> This may be true, but if it's true, it was only true very narrowly. The
>> margin between the 4th and 5th placed candidates was 12.27 votes in a
>> situation where 1,188 were needed to win.
>>
>
> Now that the full ballot data is available, it appears very likely that
> using STV did indeed change the result of the election. Though not at
> people had hoped.
>
> Ad Huikeshoven has tabulated the numbers of preferences received by each
> candidate here:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Rank_counts
>
> Trying to work out what would have happened under a different voting
> system is obviously a bit tricky. But there are several ways to look at who
> would have received most Support votes. We could interpret any vote in
> positions 1-4 as a 'support' as in 'this person is in my top 4 picks to
> fill the 4 spots on the board', though probably many people would Support
> more than 4 candidates. Or we could interpret any positive vote as a
> 'support', though in some cases low preference votes are an indication of
> opposition.
>
> The order of candidates in each of these cases is as follows:
> Looking at top 4: Rosie, Victoria, Eliane, Dariusz (Lorenzo 5th)
> Looking at total preferences: Rosie, Victoria, Eliane, Lorenzo (Dariusz
> 5th)
> (vs the actual result: Rosie, Victoria, Dariusz, Lorenzo with Eliane 5th)
>
> We'd also obviously need to look at Oppose votes (which of course under
> the old system counted 4x as much as support votes). But usually in
> elections under the support/oppose system we observed candidates getting
> the most Support also having the least Oppose (except for 2015 when the
> re-standing board members got many extra Oppose votes and therefore didn't
> get re-elected). We could also look at patterns of very low preferences,
> but it is really difficult to find any pattern that changes the order of
> the top 3 candidates there.
>
> So I think it is a reasonable hypothesis that had the election been
> conducted under the old system, Eliane would have been elected and one of
> Dariusz and Lorenzo not elected.
>
> It does pain me to say this, as I have often been heard arguing that STV
> would help make the board diverse, but it's the only conclusion I can draw
> based on the votes cast.
>
> In terms of what should happen next - in my view the Board should say "ok,
> we're fine for people from North America, Western Europe and Eastern Europe
> as they're all fairly well represented" and say that 2 (or more) seats in
> the next election should be reserved for people who don't match that
> description. (Though still the next election should be under STV).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the first round of grants from the Equity Fund

2021-09-08 Thread Gnangarra
Adding to Andys observation of distribution being majority US centric
projects. How we can learn if there isnt diverse cultural experiences, is
there any information as to why the equity fund wasn't distributed  across
all regions?

On Thu, 9 Sept 2021 at 00:12, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sept 2021 at 15:09, Lisa Gruwell  wrote:
>
> > We are excited to share that we have chosen the first round of grantees
> for
> > the Knowledge Equity Fund pilot. The Equity Fund Committee selected six
> > grantees across the Middle East, Africa, and North and South America who
> > focus on issues of access, education and equity within the regions they
> > support.
>
> The press release [1] mentioned further down the thread lists:
>
> * Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ), Jordan ($250,000):
> * Borealis Philanthropy’s Racial Equity in Journalism Fund, United
> States ($250,000)
> * Howard University School of Law and the Institute for Intellectual
> Property and Social Justice (IIPSJ), United States ($260,000):
> * InternetLab, Brazil ($200,000)
> * Media Foundation for West Africa (MFWA), Ghana ($150,000)
> * STEM en Route to Change (SeRCH) Foundation, United States ($250,000)
>
> so three of the six recipients  - receiving $760,000 of $1,360,000; or
> more than half - are in the United States.
>
>
> [1]
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/08/wikimedia-foundation-announces-first-grant-recipients-of-new-4-5-million-equity-fund/
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Community Village

2021-07-30 Thread Gnangarra
Hi

I'd like to  invite All Affiliates to sign up to
<https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Community_Village#Table_Sign_Up>
host their own table in Building 1, there are 140 tables available please
consider sharing with a neighbor or region.

As an example in Nigeria there are 5 Affiliates, they could have a table
called Nigerian Affiliates with every community collaborating to share the
space.  It also could reflect a common association like Australia and New
Zealand, who have always supported each other.

Every table is fitted with a Miro whiteboard where links, videos, notes and
a host of awesome gadgets will enable you to reach your community.  The
Whiteboard is your digital staff member, you dont require anyone to be
stationed there during the event.  We'll put out more information about
using the whiteboards soon but for now you can view its capabilities at Miro
<https://miro.com/>

The Community Village will be in Building 1, which is also where all the
plenary sessions will be hosted.  Each table will be named to  reflect the
community.   For meetups put a notice on the white board with details of
when and where in the unconference space.

See you all at Wikimania


   - Community village:
   https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Community_Village#Table_Sign_Up
   - unconference table bookings:
   https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2021:Unconference
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania 2021 Registration Open

2021-07-08 Thread Gnangarra
Eventbrite has long been used for Wikimania as the registration platform, I
have still have confirmation emails from Wikimania in Washington in 2012

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimania Updates - Scholarships and Sessions

2021-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

2021-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
Our best skill is collecting, collating, and sharing knowledge, we have
connections deep into communities and countries across the globe.

In a small way we have networks and we could get limited support medically
to a handful of volunteers, in some ways that will have made feel as if we
have done some to help then we can go back to our meetings, our events, our
adding a few more articles.

Perhaps its time we took our big stick and put the right knowledge where it
can be found quickly, turn over the main pages to Wikimed get more useful
support information about reducing transmission risks. We can use our
resources to get knowledge about how bad it is to wider audiences,
importantly link our volunteers into other organisations and help this
knowledge with support to wherever ground zero is.  We can put our skill
sets to translations and knowledge distribution so everyone can learn.


On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 at 02:38, Chris Keating 
wrote:

>
>> Personally I feel, insuring individuals against COVID-19 or helping
>> people to get vaccines or sending other supports can be better handled
>> locally by local affiliates (or local committees as proposed by Tito,
>> whichevers seems fit) instead of a central organization like WMF. Local
>> affiliates have better information about the vulnerable section of the
>> community, government orders concerning the available vaccines, local
>> market value of insurance premiums, vaccines, disinfectants etc. Sometimes
>> they even have the money and/or the intention to extend this kind of
>> support too, all they need is just a permission from the donor i.e. WMF
>> Grants team.
>>
>
> The more I think about this, the more I come to think that we should at
> least attempt it.
>
> It might be unusual for a nonprofit to provide this kind of support to its
> volunteers, but this is a truly exceptional situation. And while the entire
> world is struggling with Covid, the nature of the struggle is deeply
> different in most wealthy countries compared to what India is going through
> now. And India will probably not be the last nation to see its healthcare
> system not just threatened but entirely overwhelmed.
>
> Of course the WMF is not going to be able to start airlifting
> Wikimedia-branded vaccines or oxygen supplies, but there must be some form
> practical help that can be given to support Wikimedia volunteers.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you + see you around!

2021-04-15 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Katherine

Thank you for taking the movement from its past, to help us work in the
present, and to look towards the future. You have created a legacy that is
as significant as every contribution look forward to seeing you around our
campfires sharing your knowledge in the future.

Boodarwun
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 at 09:47, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Hi friends, fellow Wikimedians,
>
> [Apologies in advance, this note is very long, and written in my native
> English speaker style. Normally I try for shorter and more ESL friendly,
> but it was hard to do this time. Thank you for indulging or at least,
> tolerating, me.]
>
> It has been my life’s joy and pleasure to be a part of this movement with
> you for the past seven years.[1] I came into the Wikimedia movement as a
> believer in open culture, open source, and free knowledge. I leave my work
> at the Foundation today knowing the Wikimedia movement stands for those
> things, and something even greater.
>
> To be a Wikimedian is to embrace humanity’s curiosity and fallibility, our
> generosity and irascibility. It is to look across a world that we’re told
> is divided -- by arbitrary borders, linguistic conquest, fear of the
> unfamiliar -- and instead see our common interest. It’s to know that we are
> each flawed, unreliable narrators, and to believe that the best remedy to
> our intrinsic failings is to patch our individual flaws with our collective
> strengths.
>
> In the spring of 2016, I shared a pizza in Berlin with (our then-future,
> now former, board chair) Christophe Henner. We were attending Wikimedia
> Conference one month into my role as interim executive director, and had
> just finished a challenging day of plenary meetings that brought us
> together as a community in catharsis. Christophe was a candidate for the
> Wikimedia Foundation board. He asked me, “What are we here for?”
>
> I didn’t know what he wanted me to say, so I just told him what I thought.
> “We’re here to make the world better.” It was a cliche answer, but true for
> me. He laughed and leaned back in the chair. “Yes.”
>
> This has always been what I read into the unstated part of our vision.
> “Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge.” This is a spectacular, inspiring, aspirational
> ambition, but it is also missing something critical. For the past seven
> years, I have imagined this world every day. And every day, I have asked
> myself, “Why?” Why does free knowledge vision matter? What happens then?
> What change have we effected in the world?”
>
> Even after I leave, I’ll keep asking myself this. And as you continue your
> work here, as colleagues, as contributors, as volunteers, I ask all of you
> to ask yourselves as well -- with all that you do, and all that you
> contribute, and all that you build. What are we here to do? Do our values,
> our structures, our practices, and our constructs serve our purpose? And
> how do we ensure they remain as alive and vital as our projects and vision?
>
> The former president of Wikimedia Chile, Marco Correa, would say, “The
> knowledge may be neutral, but the act is not.” I always understood him to
> mean that while our projects endeavor to serve the most accurate,
> verifiable, and neutral knowledge, our movement has never been impartial.
> We have always stood proudly for a set of values: freedom of inquiry,
> expression, and assembly, the right to privacy and memory, and the
> foundational value and dignity of every human. We have defended them under
> duress and must continue to do so.
>
> We should never lose sight of how revolutionary the act of producing free
> knowledge is in the first place. I’ve always been struck by the myriad
> motivations that bring people to this movement. There are those who write
> their language into the future, their identity into public consciousness,
> who use our projects to grapple with historical injustice. There are some
> who edit Wikipedia because an act of fact is itself an act of
> self-determination in places where information is used to suppress and
> subject.
>
> If we let ourselves believe that we’re simply a free encyclopedia, we risk
> losing sight of the power and possibility of our work. Knowledge has always
> been a tool of power -- great empire and wealth have been built with its
> service, and great injustice has been done in its name. The very idea of
> liberating knowledge from power, decoupling it from access and wealth, and
> placing its construction, utility, and value in the hands of every person
> on the planet is fundamentally radical.
>
> Wikimedia itself is a radical act. It is a verb, a constant action of
> interrogation, revision, and evolution. It upends history, it chall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [MediaWiki-l] Logo of MediaWiki has changed

2021-03-31 Thread Gnangarra
Probably waiting until after April 1st to do all the updates

On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 12:02, Rehman Abubakr 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Congratulations to Serhio, Amir, and the rest of the team, for the
> relatively smooth transition.
>
> A quick comment: I noticed that the favicon is still showing the old
> version. Is that due to an update lag, accidental omission, or is it
> intentional?
>
> Yours truly,
>
> *Rehman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rehman>*
>
>
> --
> *From:* MediaWiki-l  on behalf
> of Amir Sarabadani 
> *Sent:* 01 April 2021 04:57
> *To:* wikitech-l ; MediaWiki
> announcements and site admin list ;
> Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [MediaWiki-l] Logo of MediaWiki has changed
>
> Hello,
> After more than one year of design, discussion, vote, iteration, and
> months of legal work, I’m happy to announce that the logo of MediaWiki has
> been officially changed. This applies to both the software and logo of
> https://mediawiki.org.
>
> The old logo of MediaWiki was adopted slightly more than fifteen years
> ago. This logo was featuring the nice concept of a sunflower representing
> diversity, constant growth and also wilderness.
>
> However, with years, the logo became outdated and we realized that it had
> several problems, including but not limited to:
>
>- It was a bitmap picture so it’s unusable in large sizes
>- Its high details (“too realistic”) made it unusable in small sizes
>- Its fixed and realistic style made it hard to have variations or
>adaptations
>
> Most, virtually all, software products use a simpler and more abstract
> form following basic logo design guidelines and best-practices to avoid
> above (and more) issues. For example, docker, kubernetes, Ubuntu, Vue.js,
> React, Apache Kafka and many more.
>
> You can find the discussion of changing the logo in
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Proposal_for_changing_logo_of_MediaWiki,_2020
> . As you can see on this page, a lot of interesting practical and
> theoretical exchanges happened, leading to the final vote and decision.
>
> The new logo represents a collection of projects built on our engine: each
> petal is one of the many wikis that we support, and the lack of an explicit
> core shows that we are part of these projects, as well as and they are part
> of MediaWiki. The new logo also reflects the fact that evolution never
> stops, and like the petals of a flower, the development of each project,
> the growth of each community built on our engine allows everyone else to
> grow.
>
> The designer of the new logo is [[User:Serhio Magpie]]. With the nice
> abstraction baked-in, you can use it in large or small sizes or you can
> adapt it for different usecases (there’s one already for mediawiki on
> docker: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T274678). There is a logo
> guideline for MediaWiki now:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_logo_guidelines
>
> We already deployed changes to mediawiki.org and landed related patches
> on master, meaning from 1.36 release onwards, it’ll come with the new logo.
> You can follow the work of rolling it out in
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268230.
>
> I humbly ask Wikimedians to update their wikis, for example usages on the
> main pages, Wikipedia articles, templates, and more. You can use the logos
> in this category on Commons. The files are already protected against upload
> vandalism.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logo_(2020)
>
> A big thank you to all who helped this project to finish. From designers,
> community members, people who voted and discussed it intensively for
> months, Wikimedia Legal for doing all the necessary work for transferring
> the rights, clearing it and filing it for trademark. And many many more
> people.
>
> Best
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Logo of MediaWiki has changed

2021-03-31 Thread Gnangarra
Hi

So Sorry, I immediately associated it with the logo BP rolled out in the
late 1990's except with new colours.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP



On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 10:29, Florence Devouard  wrote:

> Nice outcome. Congrats to all
>
> Anthere
>
> PS: yet a little bit sad though :(
>
>
> Le 01/04/2021 à 01:27, Amir Sarabadani a écrit :
>
> Hello,
> After more than one year of design, discussion, vote, iteration, and
> months of legal work, I’m happy to announce that the logo of MediaWiki has
> been officially changed. This applies to both the software and logo of
> https://mediawiki.org.
>
> The old logo of MediaWiki was adopted slightly more than fifteen years
> ago. This logo was featuring the nice concept of a sunflower representing
> diversity, constant growth and also wilderness.
>
> However, with years, the logo became outdated and we realized that it had
> several problems, including but not limited to:
>
>- It was a bitmap picture so it’s unusable in large sizes
>- Its high details (“too realistic”) made it unusable in small sizes
>- Its fixed and realistic style made it hard to have variations or
>adaptations
>
> Most, virtually all, software products use a simpler and more abstract
> form following basic logo design guidelines and best-practices to avoid
> above (and more) issues. For example, docker, kubernetes, Ubuntu, Vue.js,
> React, Apache Kafka and many more.
>
> You can find the discussion of changing the logo in
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Proposal_for_changing_logo_of_MediaWiki,_2020
> . As you can see on this page, a lot of interesting practical and
> theoretical exchanges happened, leading to the final vote and decision.
>
> The new logo represents a collection of projects built on our engine: each
> petal is one of the many wikis that we support, and the lack of an explicit
> core shows that we are part of these projects, as well as and they are part
> of MediaWiki. The new logo also reflects the fact that evolution never
> stops, and like the petals of a flower, the development of each project,
> the growth of each community built on our engine allows everyone else to
> grow.
>
> The designer of the new logo is [[User:Serhio Magpie]]. With the nice
> abstraction baked-in, you can use it in large or small sizes or you can
> adapt it for different usecases (there’s one already for mediawiki on
> docker: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T274678). There is a logo
> guideline for MediaWiki now:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki_logo_guidelines
>
> We already deployed changes to mediawiki.org and landed related patches
> on master, meaning from 1.36 release onwards, it’ll come with the new logo.
> You can follow the work of rolling it out in
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268230.
>
> I humbly ask Wikimedians to update their wikis, for example usages on the
> main pages, Wikipedia articles, templates, and more. You can use the logos
> in this category on Commons. The files are already protected against upload
> vandalism.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:MediaWiki_logo_(2020)
>
> A big thank you to all who helped this project to finish. From designers,
> community members, people who voted and discussed it intensively for
> months, Wikimedia Legal for doing all the necessary work for transferring
> the rights, clearing it and filing it for trademark. And many many more
> people.
>
> Best
> --
> Amir (he/him)
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Authorities in Myanmar blocks all languages of Wikipedia, says internet freedom watchdog = Qiuwen

2021-03-13 Thread Gnangarra
while its great to hear that people are getting around the blocks does a
high watched publicly available list need to publicise that traffic is
getting past the block, as this information potentially puts our friends at
risk.   Perhaps we should also be careful  that the edits being made
arent bad faith military junta actors.

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 09:17, Risker  wrote:

> Anecdotally, we on English Wikipedia have received multiple requests for
> IP block exemption from residents of Myanmar, including requests for both
> local and global IP
>
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 at 19:56, Kunal Mehta  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 2/19/21 1:08 PM, 《求闻》编译组/Qiuwen WMCug wrote:
>> > Netblocks provided additional information in a picture attached to the
>> tweet,
>> > suggests that they have tested the connectivity of Wikipedia in English
>> and
>> > French, Wikidata, and wikimedia.org, with none of them accessible.
>> This may
>> > intimate that it is highly that the Burmese authorities not only
>> blocked "all
>> > language editions of Wikipedia," but all Wikimedia projects, as a
>> whole. The
>> > picture also suggests that Wikipedia remains inaccessible across four
>> different
>> > internet service providers in Myanmar.
>>
>> NetBlocks really isn't a reliable source, see <https://netblocked.org/>.
>>
>> Instead, I'd recommend following OONI, which published their own
>> findings a few days ago:
>> <
>> https://ooni.org/post/2021-myanmar-internet-blocks-and-outages/#blocking-of-wikipedia
>> >.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Ratification of Universal Code of Conduct

2021-02-20 Thread Gnangarra
eeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with
> these challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the
> world have participated in conversations and consultations to help build
> this code collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages,
> surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of
> volunteers and staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant
> investment of time and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint
> staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after reviewing input
> collected from community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the
> dedication of the Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in
> getting us to this phase.
> >
> > This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here,
> the Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce
> this code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions
> on how you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code.
> Over the next few months, they will be facilitating consultation
> discussions in many local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to
> support a new volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways.
> For more information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in
> this next phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on
> Meta.[2]
> >
> > The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our
> vision of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all
> knowledge. Together, we have built something extraordinary. Today, we
> celebrate this milestone in making our movement a safer space for
> contribution for all.
> >
> > On behalf of the Board of Trustees,
> >
> > María Sefidari
> > Board Chair
> >
> > [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
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> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

2021-02-17 Thread Gnangarra
uild these tools
>> in-house:
>>
>> We could but really, really shouldn't. MediaWiki and the wider Wikimedia
>> tech infrastructure is still in need of huge improvements. It would be
>> really unwise to distract WMF's development and product teams from these
>> goals by requesting they build standard communication or reporting tools.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:42 PM Fæ  wrote:
>>
>>> As a consequence of the promotion of a Google forms based survey this
>>> week by a WMF representative, a proposal on Wikimedia Commons has been
>>> started to ban the promotion of surveys which rely on third party
>>> sites like Google Forms.[1]
>>>
>>> Launched today, but already it appears likely that this proposal will
>>> have a consensus to support. Considering that Commons is one of our
>>> largest Wikimedia projects, there are potential repercussions of
>>> banning the on-wiki promotion of surveys which use Google products or
>>> other closed source third party products like SurveyMonkey.
>>>
>>> Feedback is most welcome on the proposal discussion, or on this list
>>> for handling impact, solutions, recommended alternatives that already
>>> exist, or the future role of the WMF to support research and surveys
>>> for the WMF and affiliates by using forking open source software and
>>> self-hosting and self-managing data "locally".
>>>
>>> Links
>>> 1.
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Use_of_off-wiki_surveys_using_third-party_tools
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

2021-02-14 Thread Gnangarra
I don't live in a country where I need to be worried about the
anonymity and privacy, but that doesn't prevent me from  appreciating that
there are people in countries like Myanmar, Iran, Syria, and many others
who need the assurity of privacy to contribute to the movement.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 14:12, Risker  wrote:

> To clarify to anyone who doesn't want to read the actual proposal, which
> Fae did not repeat here:
>
> *Proposal*
>
> It is proposed that on Wikimedia Commons that there must be no promotion
> of surveys or questionnaires which rely on third party sites and closed
> source tools, such as Google Forms. This should be interpreted as a ban
> against engaging volunteers by mass messaging, use of banners or posts on
> noticeboards.
> *Recommended consequential action*
>
> Banners and posts which go against this proposal may be removed by anyone.
>
> Posting account(s) may be blocked or have group rights removed at the
> discretion of administrators, such as all rights that enable mass
> messaging. In a persistent case, blocks and rights removal may apply to all
> accounts of the person responsible. A rationale of doing their job as
> part of being a WMF employee is not considered an exemption.
>
>
> Nowthis applies to everyone who posts about a survey at Wikimedia
> Commons, as this proposal is strictly related to Commons. It is not a
> global proposal.  However, it would apply to researchers, to WMF staff, to
> anyone who uses closed-sourced tools.  There is no suggestion at all about
> suitable alternative tools.  In fact, there is a severe dearth of quality
> open source tools.  Researchers may be bound by their facilities to use
> certain types of tools.
>
> Surveys and questionnaires are always voluntary. There's some
> responsibility on the part of the user to read the privacy statements and
> use of information statements that are normally mandatory for any
> legitimate surveys.  More than once I've started to participate in a survey
> and decided it was asking questions I didn't want to answer, and just never
> saved them.
>
>
> I think it would also be helpful if someone from WMF Technical could take
> the time to discuss with the broader community what arrangements have been
> made in their contract with Google to ensure that the information on those
> documents (of whatever nature) are not in fact accessible to Google for
> their data gathering or any other purposes.  There is, of course, a certain
> irony that three of the four people who have commented on this thread so
> far all have Gmail email addresses.
>
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 00:24, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> I agree with Fae's proposal if we are using tools that exclude community
>> members out of safety and privacy concerns then we arent fulfilling the
>> equity goals. I also recognise that alternatives need to be available but
>> with no incentive for them to be used then there is no development of such
>> tools, or improvements to their functionality. Faes proposal is putting the
>> WMF on notice that there are steps we need to take to ensure equity,
>> safety, and privacy in participation.
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 at 09:08, Łukasz Garczewski <
>> lukasz.garczew...@wikimedia.pl> wrote:
>>
>>> With respect, Fae, if you're going to propose banning an existing
>>> solution, it is on you to propose a suitable alternative or at least a
>>> process to find it before the ban takes effect.
>>>
>>> I write this as a signatory of Free Software Foundation Europe's Public
>>> Money? Public Code open letter <https://publiccode.eu/openletter/>. I
>>> am wholeheartedly a proponent of open source software.
>>>
>>> At the same time, I am a firm believer in using the best available tool
>>> for the job.
>>>
>>> Our mission is too important to hold ourselves back at every step due to
>>> a noble but often unrealistic wish to use open source solutions for
>>> everything we do.
>>>
>>> Last year, because of my drive to use proper open source solutions, WMPL
>>> wasted hours and hours of staff time (mostly mine) and a not insignificant
>>> amount of members' time because:
>>>
>>>- Zeus, a widely used, cryptographically secure voting system is
>>>impossible to setup and maintain and has very sparse documentation,
>>>- CiviCRM, the premier open source CRM solution for NGOs, refuses to
>>>work correctly after the Wordpress installation is moved to a new URL, 
>>> and
>>>documentation isn't helpful.
>>>
>>> To my knowledge there are no suita

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

2021-02-14 Thread Gnangarra
rking open source software and
>> self-hosting and self-managing data "locally".
>>
>> Links
>> 1.
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Use_of_off-wiki_surveys_using_third-party_tools
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish! / Stepping down April 15

2021-02-04 Thread Gnangarra
nd plan to apply myself in that direction!
>>
>> *What’s next*
>>
>>- We announced this planned transition publicly on our communications
>>channels during a Foundation all-staff meeting today.
>>- A Board Transition Committee composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, who is
>>chair of HR Committee, Tanya Capuano, who is chair of the Audit Committee,
>>Raju Narisetti, and María Sefidari as Board Chair, will launch the search
>>for a new CEO. They’ll work closely with the executive Transition Team on
>>organizational operations, and with the broader board on an open candidate
>>call. The Board is working with the goal of onboarding a new CEO by Q2 of
>>the 2021-2022 fiscal year.
>>- We’ve been working on succession planning for the CEO role since
>>2019 as a matter of best practice, and the organization is well-prepared
>>for a thoughtful search for the next phase of our mission. The Board has
>>decided to work with Kathleen Yazbak of Viewcrest Advisors[1] for the
>>executive search: I’ve worked closely with Kathleen on a number of
>>occasions, and she is a true Wikimedian at heart.
>>- I’ll be drawing back from day-to-day operational work to transition
>>interim responsibilities starting February 8th. A C-level Transition Team
>>of Jaime Villagomez, Amanda Keton, and Robyn Arville, our two board
>>officers and chief people leader, will take up key responsibilities and
>>decision making around planning, community, and people, and work closely
>>with the broader C-team and VP leadership cohort.
>>- I’ll spend the next three months supporting the Foundation in
>>readying itself for a transition. I’ll spend February preparing with this
>>group and other organizational and community leaders on movement strategy
>>and institutional knowledge transfer, sharing lessons learned, and
>>supporting the organization in developing the next year’s strategic plan.
>>- I look forward to celebrating with you in March and April!
>>
>> I'll be around for a bit, so feel free to reach out, and after that, I'll
>> see you on the wikis!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Katherine
>>
>> [1] https://viewcrestadvisors.com/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Ratification of Universal Code of Conduct

2021-02-03 Thread Gnangarra
>>>
>>> -- Yair Rand
>>>
>>> ‫בתאריך יום ג׳, 2 בפבר׳ 2021 ב-6:59 מאת ‪María Sefidari‬‏ <‪
>>> ma...@wikimedia.org‬‏>:‬
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has unanimously
>>>> approved a Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia projects and
>>>> movement.[1]  A Universal Code of Conduct was one of the final
>>>> recommendations of the Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year,
>>>> participatory community effort to define the future of our movement. The
>>>> final Universal Code of Conduct seeks to address disparities in conduct
>>>> policies across our hundreds of projects and communities, by creating a
>>>> binding minimum set of standards for conduct on the Wikimedia projects that
>>>> directly address many of the challenges that contributors face.
>>>>
>>>> The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with
>>>> these challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the
>>>> world have participated in conversations and consultations to help build
>>>> this code collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages,
>>>> surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of
>>>> volunteers and staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant
>>>> investment of time and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint
>>>> staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after reviewing input
>>>> collected from community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the
>>>> dedication of the Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in
>>>> getting us to this phase.
>>>>
>>>> This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here,
>>>> the Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce
>>>> this code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions
>>>> on how you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code.
>>>> Over the next few months, they will be facilitating consultation
>>>> discussions in many local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to
>>>> support a new volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways.
>>>> For more information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in
>>>> this next phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on
>>>> Meta.[2]
>>>>
>>>> The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our
>>>> vision of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all
>>>> knowledge. Together, we have built something extraordinary. Today, we
>>>> celebrate this milestone in making our movement a safer space for
>>>> contribution for all.
>>>>
>>>> On behalf of the Board of Trustees,
>>>>
>>>> María Sefidari
>>>> Board Chair
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
>>>>
>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF transfers $8.7 million to "Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund"

2021-01-03 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya



> > A portion of our grant to Tides Advocacy will be used to launch the
> Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund, a new fund that the Wikimedia Foundation
> is establishing this fiscal year to invest in new grant-making
> opportunities in support of groups that are advancing equitable, inclusive
> representation in free knowledge.


Does this mean that funds will be used for work not related to Wikimedia
> projects?


since our goal is to "freely share the sum of all knowledge"  anything that
leads to that goal does benefit the projects, there are place and reasons
thats not happening because of other issues so if this is a solution to
some of those then its worth the effort.  Everything that is freely
licensed becomes available to the Movement anyway

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 20:19, Mario Gómez  wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> > A portion of our grant to Tides Advocacy will be used to launch the
> Wikimedia Knowledge Equity Fund, a new fund that the Wikimedia Foundation
> is establishing this fiscal year to invest in new grant-making
> opportunities in support of groups that are advancing equitable, inclusive
> representation in free knowledge.
>
> Does this mean that funds will be used for work not related to Wikimedia
> projects?
>
> Best,
>
> MarioGom
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-12-05 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Aron

The software engineers are decent and many of them also have a Wikimedia
contribution background giving them the knowledge to benefit all the
projects, they are also spread across the globe making sure there is
someone available at all times to keep on top of any system issue should
they arise.

The WMF has hired people for movement strategy implementation, there have
been significant discussions on implementation over the last few months.
Both the key points you raised are being addressed and funded.

As a community we invested a lot of time and resources to be taken
seriously, we continue to do so. I agree with Vermont here that without the
emojis the banner looks more professional, whether emojis return or not the
must also remember that the projects are neutral, that they dont exclude
people nor drive them away.

Boodarwun

On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 06:23, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Seddon,
>
> Thanks for removing the emojis; without them, the banner is infinitely
> more professional.
>
> Regards,
> Vermont
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 11:09 Joseph Seddon  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> To avoid burying the lead, the feedback is appreciated and we do listen
>> whenever feedback is raised. I've just been coordinating with the team, and
>> we've rolled back this change.
>>
>> For some background, the emojis in this messaging were a recent addition
>> earlier this week. Emojis have become a core part of the way the world
>> communicates, especially with younger demographics, practically becoming an
>> ideographic language in and of itself. The team has been keen to see if
>> there are ways we can leverage this, especially on mobile and we’ve been
>> experimenting with them over the last couple of years in a number of
>> campaigns.
>>
>> I want to recognise that we missed the mark on this one and that your
>> feedback is heard, much appreciated and acted upon. The team really does
>> care about the messaging and how it represents us, and the projects as a
>> whole. Our processes on approving content have massively improved over the
>> years and I think it reflects in the messaging we use. A number of people
>> have noted that it has improved for the better over the years.
>>
>> At the same time I want to take some ownership of this misstep myself.
>> I've been proactively working in real time with some volunteers, discussing
>> concepts and gathering feedback on campaigns. This feedback has definitely
>> shown that for such a new concept, I should have made sure to have
>> highlighted and gotten more input on this.
>>
>> I'll be gathering input on how we use emojis in our messaging and I'd be
>> happy to follow up with people about this. Just an additional note that if
>> anyone wants to talk through any feedback with me I can be found on IRC,
>> Discord, Telegram or send it through via email ( seddon at wikimedia.org
>> ).
>>
>> My apologies but also my genuine thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> Seddon
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 2:24 PM Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>>> tend to agree there should be a mobile friendly version, the article
>>> should be visible at the same time. What wording is used it definitely
>>> should not have religious actions or symbology in it... the other emojis do
>>> seem childish
>>>
>>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 21:58, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
>>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I opened a browser I’m not logged in on to see what these ads were.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the text, unedited, of the second ad I was shown (after closing
>>>> the first):
>>>>
>>>> “Hi reader . Sorry for the interruption, but this Saturday Wikipedia
>>>> really needs your help. This is the 3rd appeal we've shown you. 98% of
>>>> our readers don't give; they look the other way . All we ask is $2.75
>>>>  and then you can get back to your article. We ask you, humbly: please
>>>> don't scroll away .“
>>>>
>>>> It would be quite helpful if the WMF’s marketing and
>>>> fundraising-focused teams weren’t so intent on destroying Wikipedia’s
>>>> reputation. I, and I’m sure most editors, don’t care that praying and
>>>> crying emojis illicit more money. There are social and reputation costs to
>>>> portraying Wikipedia like a crying, praying beggar about to go broke. And
>>>> though I understand the employees responsible for pushing this nonsense in
>>>> front of every reader evidently do not 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-12-05 Thread Gnangarra
as one organisation that could afford to pause its fundraising for a
>> few
>> > months. At least in countries where the economy is in freefall.
>> >
>> > In a few months time lots of people will still be in a financial mess.
>> But
>> > the large number of people who are currently going to be worried about
>> > their financial future will hopefully be divided into those who have
>> kept
>> > their jobs. or got new ones and those who were right to be worried.
>> > Hopefully some of those who come through this financially OK will be in
>> a
>> > position to donate.
>> >
>> > WSC
>> >
>> > On Tue, 5 May 2020 at 11:25, 
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>> > >3. Re: Annoying ads (Robert Fernandez)
>> > >4. Re: Annoying ads (Pierre-Yves Beaudouin)
>> > >5. Re: Annoying ads (Nick Wilson (Quiddity))
>> > >6. Re: Annoying ads (Samuel Klein)
>> > >7. Re: Annoying ads (Paulo Santos Perneta)
>> > >8. Re: Annoying ads (Paulo Santos Perneta)
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > > Message: 1
>> > > Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 16:55:50 +0200
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>> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads
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>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>> > > Often I surf Wikipedia without being logged in, and so I did right
>> now. I
>> > > got the usual banners, but this time they popped up repeatedly in
>> several
>> > > locations. This quickly gets extremely annoying, and I find it unwise.
>> > > Create one banner, and stick with that. Several banners are simply
>> way over
>> > > the top.
>> > >
>> > > /jeblad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] online meetings

2020-11-17 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Katherine

Thank you for looking into this, my deep appreciation to everyone at the
WMF for helping to keep the community both safe and healthy during these
exceptional times.

Stay safe everyone
Gnangarra

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 06:27, Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Thanks for this productive thread and suggestions!
>
> In response to the emergent consensus, I want to confirm that we have
> reviewed planned events across the Foundation, and as far as we are aware,
> there are no Wikimedia Foundation-organized "decisionmaking" virtual events
> or official meetings planned between December 14th and January 5th.
>
> There may be reminders to contribute to planned ongoing surveys through
> the end of December, such as the Community Tech wishlist survey (voting
> will be open Dec 8 - December 21), but there should be no planned
> "real-time" events.
>
> Of course, teas, fikas, chatting cafés, co-editing sessions, and other
> social events are highly encouraged if folks feel so motivated and
> inspired!
>
> My wishes to you and your loved ones to stay safe and well in this truly
> difficult moment.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 7:35 PM Risker  wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a way to think about it would be to pause meetings at which
>> decisions are being made or "official" opinions are being collected,
>> without expecting any pauses in more socially oriented meetings.  So,
>> perhaps an embargo on most WMF-sponsored meetings, as well as formal
>> meetings of our constituent organizations and groups including committees
>> and perhaps even chapter/user group committees; co-editing sessions, online
>> meetups, chatting cafes, etc that are more social in orientation and are
>> optional participation could quite easily continue, and may even be
>> particularly beneficial for those who are socially isolated because of the
>> ongoing efforts to reduce the impact of the current health crisis.
>>
>> In reality, I expect that there's already a plan to put many if not all
>> WMF-sponsored meetings/sessions on hold for a several-week break starting
>> mid-December; this is a practice that has been in place for a couple of
>> years, and I believe the WMF maintains only a skeleton crew for at least a
>> week during that period.
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 at 18:46, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>>> Kaya Jan
>>>
>>> Yes I agree,  I'm not asking for an absolute ban on all meetings,  just
>>> that we give pause as and where possible.
>>>
>>> Boodarwun
>>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 00:39, Jan Ainali  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Gnangarra,
>>>>
>>>> I really like your sentiment and appreciate your effort to keep the
>>>> community healthy. However, we should acknowledge that with the ongoing
>>>> pandemic, not everyone is able to visit their families. Over the years a
>>>> lot of friendships have been formed in our community as well. Being able
>>>> to collaborate with them might be a very nice feeling for many.
>>>>
>>>> So as a compromise, I suggest not to enforce a complete stop for online
>>>> meetings, but rather just pause the kind of meetings where important
>>>> decisions are being taken. Friendly meetups, chatting cafés or co-editing
>>>> sessions might be just what is needed for many to stay in a positive state
>>>> of mind. As long as they don't *require* people to join because their voice
>>>> would not be heard on some matter I believe online meetings are just fine.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards
>>>> Jan Ainali
>>>>
>>>> Den mån 16 nov. 2020 kl 04:11 skrev Gnangarra :
>>>>
>>>>> Kaya
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the last 9 months the movement has really taken to the use of
>>>>> "zoom" style technology to hold and host events, I dont doubt they have
>>>>> been really productive in addressing the many needs of the community.
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I have noticed is just how many of these notices are coming
>>>>> through now with some meetings taking place not once but multiple times to
>>>>> ensure everyone has access to them in their best time period.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know as volunteers we are able to pick and choose what we do, I also
>>>>> know we are placing a lot of pressure on affiliates to be upto date on all
>>>>> these events.  I raise a concern that p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] online meetings

2020-11-16 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Jan

Yes I agree,  I'm not asking for an absolute ban on all meetings,  just
that we give pause as and where possible.

Boodarwun

On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 at 00:39, Jan Ainali  wrote:

> Hello Gnangarra,
>
> I really like your sentiment and appreciate your effort to keep the
> community healthy. However, we should acknowledge that with the ongoing
> pandemic, not everyone is able to visit their families. Over the years a
> lot of friendships have been formed in our community as well. Being able
> to collaborate with them might be a very nice feeling for many.
>
> So as a compromise, I suggest not to enforce a complete stop for online
> meetings, but rather just pause the kind of meetings where important
> decisions are being taken. Friendly meetups, chatting cafés or co-editing
> sessions might be just what is needed for many to stay in a positive state
> of mind. As long as they don't *require* people to join because their voice
> would not be heard on some matter I believe online meetings are just fine.
>
> Warm regards
> Jan Ainali
>
> Den mån 16 nov. 2020 kl 04:11 skrev Gnangarra :
>
>> Kaya
>>
>> Over the last 9 months the movement has really taken to the use of "zoom"
>> style technology to hold and host events, I dont doubt they have been
>> really productive in addressing the many needs of the community.
>>
>> One thing I have noticed is just how many of these notices are coming
>> through now with some meetings taking place not once but multiple times to
>> ensure everyone has access to them in their best time period.
>>
>> I know as volunteers we are able to pick and choose what we do, I also
>> know we are placing a lot of pressure on affiliates to be upto date on all
>> these events.  I raise a concern that perhaps we as a community are
>> starting to over do these meetings and stretch volunteer resources to point
>> of breaking or being overwhelmed.  I know that as WP20 approaches these
>> meetings are going to accelerate and put greater demands on our limited
>> resources.
>>
>> I propose that the community has a quiet period from the 14 December to
>> 5th January where we dont hold general meetings, webinars, cafes, and
>> strategy discussions to give people time to refresh and focus on family.
>> Obviously some small group focused community meetings will be necessary as
>> part of WP20 and other preparations so I'm not suggesting ruling out all
>> meetings just asking that we remember that there is life outside of the
>> movement we should be allowing people time to focus on as well.
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] online meetings

2020-11-15 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

Over the last 9 months the movement has really taken to the use of "zoom"
style technology to hold and host events, I dont doubt they have been
really productive in addressing the many needs of the community.

One thing I have noticed is just how many of these notices are coming
through now with some meetings taking place not once but multiple times to
ensure everyone has access to them in their best time period.

I know as volunteers we are able to pick and choose what we do, I also know
we are placing a lot of pressure on affiliates to be upto date on all these
events.  I raise a concern that perhaps we as a community are starting to
over do these meetings and stretch volunteer resources to point of breaking
or being overwhelmed.  I know that as WP20 approaches these meetings are
going to accelerate and put greater demands on our limited resources.

I propose that the community has a quiet period from the 14 December to 5th
January where we dont hold general meetings, webinars, cafes, and strategy
discussions to give people time to refresh and focus on family.  Obviously
some small group focused community meetings will be necessary as part of
WP20 and other preparations so I'm not suggesting ruling out all meetings
just asking that we remember that there is life outside of the movement we
should be allowing people time to focus on as well.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving the technical infrastructure out of the US

2020-09-30 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Gnangarra
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> backgrounds)
> > > also
> > > > have clear expectations because they are 'in the know' about industry
> > > > norms, while people who don't, find the lack of salary information a
> > > > barrier to application. (After all, why take the time and effort to
> > apply
> > > > for a job when you have no idea how the likely pay compares to your
> > > current
> > > > employment?)
> > > >
> > > > I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never
> > > > mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the range is
> > disclosed
> > > > to applicants or not - some chapters I know do advertise a salary.
> > > However,
> > > > I'd urge all entities within the movement that hire staff to disclose
> > the
> > > > expected salary ranges for posts they are advertising, as part of
> their
> > > > commitment to equality, diversity and inclusion.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for reading,
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (1): https://showthesalary.com/
> > > > (2): e.g. at https://showthesalary.com/resources/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-09 Thread Gnangarra
mmittee
> > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> > > > > > > >wants
> > > > > > > to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for
> > you
> > > or
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and
> what
> > > > could
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > improved?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with
> > > > > > translations
> > > > > > > so far.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please join the conversation
> > > > > > > <
> > > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
> > > >
> > > > > > > and share this email with others who may be interested to join,
> > > too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of
> > > > Conduct
> > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>,
> and
> > > the
> > > > > FAQ
> > > > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ
> >,
> > > on
> > > > > > Meta.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [2]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [3]
> > > > > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
> > > > > > > [4]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Gnangarra
UCoC is pointless if their systems of enforcement are themselves biased or
weighted in any way to those who are known to the community.  The large
communities already have policies, the problem in those communities is the
unwillingness and inability of the process to be enforced equally on those
who have deeply established connections within the community.  It gets more
complicated when the nuances of local cultural use of language runs into
the linguistic, cultural, and, or second language generic teachings of the
language.

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 03:44, Andy Mabbett  wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 20:06, Dan Szymborski  wrote:
>
> > The only tiniest shred of direct accountability on the board, the
> community
> > board elections
> [...]
>
> They're not elections; we get to vote on nominations, the board decide
> whether to accept them.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
sitive model. With
> respect to encouraging a more "encyclopedic" approach, I think it's
> worth observing that from a conventional organizational leadership
> perspective, Erik was a pretty nontraditional choice for the deputy role
> (and even a sometimes controversial figure within the community).
> Nevertheless, he and Sue made an excellent pairing in their roles, and
> he was an important part of ensuring that the organization understood
> and valued the community, its culture, and the "encyclopedic" approach.
> I believe this illustrates why it's important for the Wikimedia
> Foundation to continue valuing experience in the community for all of
> its hiring, so that the staff can maintain a culture that stays in sync
> with the movement. It's less about one or two specific leadership
> positions, and more that every Wikimedia ED/CEO needs to surround
> themselves with a variety of people who bring different pieces of
> institutional memory with them.
>
> --Michael Snow
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
Yaroslav is right it is difficult to wade through every minor diff to see a
pattern and AN/I is incapable of reacting to anything but the extremes,
that doesn't mean we don't try to find alternative ways and improve on  the
way we deal with issues

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 19:10, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> In addition, (English Wikipedia) ANI can reasonably well deal with one or
> several highly problematic diffs, but very often we have a long pattern
> which can result in a long series of diffs, so that each one is
> unproblematic or slightly problematic, but all together thay may constitute
> a harassment pattern and make the victim feel very unpleasant. ANI is
> absolutely not capable of dealing with this situation, and usually ArbCom
> can not handle it either. In my situation, I overreacted a couple of times,
> and then every time I would try to raise the question at best it would be
> called "keeping old grudges" and I was advised to "grow thick skin", but
> more often that it was told it was my fault and in fact it was harassment
> from my side. ArbCom was not capable of performing any better. To be
> honest, I do not see how T can perform better either. An investigation of
> such situation would require wading through thousands of diffs and
> reconstructing the whole episodes, and I just do not see how this can be
> done.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > The whole purpose of harassing someone is to put them under pressure, to
> > make the victim upset and force them away from editing. Creating a clear
> > list
> > of problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events is
> > impossible during the incident, when all thats desired is to have the
> > immediate abuse stopped.  Emotive language is a call for help, seasoned
> > abusers know how to play the game AN/I and the community knows them so
> when
> > they boo the community accepts their version. At AN/I and as Vermont
> > explain its the victim that has to be restrain their language, its the
> > victim that  has to be calm, its the victim that has to clearly lay out
> all
> > the diffs, its the victim that has to recount/relive the whole of the
> > abuse.  The victim is not at fault but until the system supports the
> victim
> > the problems of in grained abuse and hostility by old hands is going to
> > remain.
> >
> > On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 17:51, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I see.
> > >
> > > The English Wikipedia, and most projects in general (from my
> experience),
> > > are not perfect at handling problems with established editors.
> > >
> > > This is to be expected. However, there’s some element of draconian
> secret
> > > policing present in having a brigade of T employees handling any and
> > all
> > > conduct issues. We ha e local communities, and in most cases they are
> > > successful in handling issues, but when an editor’s social clout is
> > > involved, and/or when there’s incivility/harassment from multiple
> > parties,
> > > it quickly becomes a larger issue that often ends with little to no
> > action.
> > >
> > > With this issue specifically, it’s minor and local community functions
> > > would very likely have been able to manage it properly had the
> > discussions
> > > continued. The formation of the messages also help determine the
> > outcome; a
> > > message saying they were told to report there with no links but one to
> > the
> > > editor’s userpage is not very helpful for people viewing it. A list of
> > > problematic diffs and an unbiased, unemotional recounting of events is
> > > quite helpful for those viewing it. The latter is much likely to result
> > > successfully than the former.
> > >
> > > Also, T actions are not quick and easy either. Their investigations
> are
> > > usually quite extensive and take equally extensive periods of time.
> > > Communities act quicker, and though the volunteers may be affected more
> > by
> > > personal prejudice than employees of the WMF, we are a collaborative
> > > project that relies on community input.
> > >
> > > Hopefully the UCoC is successful with setting reasonable definitions
> and
> > > expectations for community enforcement of conduct policies, though in
> my
> > > view larger projects are not the most pressing issue to be addressed by
> > the
> > > UCoC. This instance of sexual harassment is minor when vie

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
gt; > However, if language becomes national and got very limited outside use
> > apart from the country they are from (i.e. Japanese in Japan, or Korean
> in
> > Korea,etc. Not saying they have a serious sexual harassment problem, just
> > an example), harassment against the minority may appear in all forms,
> > including but not limited to blocking them from any administrative posts,
> > to sexual harassments to an outright ban of some individuals. In this
> case,
> > local bodies which deal with harassing would be normally held by those
> who
> > are, or show sympathy to the harasser, and that is the problem.
> >
> > Local governance (last stand) bodies are usually opaque in nature - the
> > elections to those bodies are normally fair, but it is not transparent
> > enough of what they do just because they are volunteer.
> >
> > Those very large communities normally have a (relatively) inefficient
> speed
> > to deal with issues because of the number of problems they receive.
> > The irony is that, for the smaller communities is, the abuser would have
> > some connection with the last-stand bodies, that would mean conflict of
> > interest - though with much irony, COI is not observed when they are
> > playing Wikipolitics.
> >
> > This means, you either get a local "slow safe soace" because they receive
> > too many case to review per day, or an "unsafe safe space" because
> > harassers know those who deal with these reports.
> >
> >
> > You either get a language that is too big and inefficient to treat
> reports,
> > or languages that, because of the size, they harasser may just outright
> > know the ones who deal with these problems. That's why T needs way more
> > people.
> >
> > And not all languages have self-governing bodies.
> >
> >
> >
> > P.S. Written by someone who had emailed T about harassments against
> > himself. One harasser got a conduct warning while the other one got
> > foundation-blocked.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 22:54 Gnangarra  wrote:
> >
> > >  For a person to report harassment they must first feel safe to do so.
> > Not
> > > everyone is capable of dealing with or participating in a public debate
> > > about whether they have been harassed, there is a significant
> difference
> > > between arguing facts on a topic and dealing with harassment and
> > offensive
> > > comments directed at you.  Its a very effective method of ensuring that
> > you
> > > can keep control of subject areas, or part of Wikipedia.  What is going
> > > unnoticed, unrecorded and never dealt with is the same people make
> > personal
> > > attacks and harass contributors repeatedly, many of these people are
> > > protected by other at AN/I or large followings that ensure they are
> > almost
> > > untouchable.
> > >
> > > Just like this thread dismissing problems when they are raised is
> > > unhelpful, and has a chilling effect on productive outcomes.   The lack
> > of
> > > alternative safe ways to address issues has been a problem for many
> years
> > > driving away 1,000s of good contributors.
> > >
> > > On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 21:47, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
> > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I fail to understand how requiring public report of
> publicly-occurring
> > > > harassment is a problem.
> > > >
> > > > If people are being harassed constantly via off-wiki communication,
> > > > emailing a local admin team or T is definitely the best thing to do
> > if
> > > > they don’t want to make it public in an on-wiki report.
> > > >
> > > > However, if it’s on-wiki, I don’t see any viable reason as to why it
> > > should
> > > > not be reported on-wiki as well. By no means is it “doubling down” on
> > > > harassment; that doesn’t even make much sense considering that it
> isn’t
> > > the
> > > > collective community making the harassment, it’s an individual. It
> also
> > > > doesn’t matter at all what the harasser feels like either; if they’re
> > > > blocked after a civilly-written and clear-cut report on ANI it
> doesn’t
> > > > matter what they think. It’s not acceptable to have a secret police
> > team
> > > to
> > > > handle every content issue; community input exists for a reason,
> > > especially
> > > > on collaborative 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-24 Thread Gnangarra
 For a person to report harassment they must first feel safe to do so.  Not
everyone is capable of dealing with or participating in a public debate
about whether they have been harassed, there is a significant difference
between arguing facts on a topic and dealing with harassment and offensive
comments directed at you.  Its a very effective method of ensuring that you
can keep control of subject areas, or part of Wikipedia.  What is going
unnoticed, unrecorded and never dealt with is the same people make personal
attacks and harass contributors repeatedly, many of these people are
protected by other at AN/I or large followings that ensure they are almost
untouchable.

Just like this thread dismissing problems when they are raised is
unhelpful, and has a chilling effect on productive outcomes.   The lack of
alternative safe ways to address issues has been a problem for many years
driving away 1,000s of good contributors.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 21:47, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I fail to understand how requiring public report of publicly-occurring
> harassment is a problem.
>
> If people are being harassed constantly via off-wiki communication,
> emailing a local admin team or T is definitely the best thing to do if
> they don’t want to make it public in an on-wiki report.
>
> However, if it’s on-wiki, I don’t see any viable reason as to why it should
> not be reported on-wiki as well. By no means is it “doubling down” on
> harassment; that doesn’t even make much sense considering that it isn’t the
> collective community making the harassment, it’s an individual. It also
> doesn’t matter at all what the harasser feels like either; if they’re
> blocked after a civilly-written and clear-cut report on ANI it doesn’t
> matter what they think. It’s not acceptable to have a secret police team to
> handle every content issue; community input exists for a reason, especially
> on collaborative projects like this.
>
> Further, when did anyone say the community is not willing to handle
> harassment issues? It truly bothers me to see people write nonsense like
> this.
>
> I will restate:
>
> Local communities appoint administrators to enforce consensus. There is
> consensus that harassment should be responded to with warnings and, if
> repeated or severe, blocks.
>
> These administrators usually have a mailing list and an on-wiki
> noticeboard. These noticeboards are open for anyone to create sections on,
> and unless a request was clearly made in bad faith or intentionally misled
> readers, there is practically no chance of successful retaliatory action on
> the part of the individual who created the harassment.
>
> In this case, a section was made on ANI, multiple editors commented, and
> for some reason the section was removed mid-discussion. It is to be
> expected that someone with an independent viewpoint would seek less radical
> action than someone directly a party of the dispute. In this case, there
> was incivility and arguable harassment coming from both parties, though
> clearly “cutie” is not conducive to the desired contributory environment.
>
> Simple conduct cases are not the sort of issue for T Let them (and often
> stewards) handle the threats to life, the vandals trying to find where
> editors live, the IPs making terrorist threats, the new accounts uploading
> child pornography, the vandals spreading the private details of editors,
> etc. Basic conduct issues can be handled by local administrators.
>
> And for the “chilling effect” of reporting issues like this publicly, if
> someone is incapable of seeing other people interpret events another way,
> disagreeing with them, or not wanting as drastic and immediate action, they
> may not be suited for a collaborative project.
>
> There are easy ways to handle people who are clearly harassing you on-wiki:
> 1) Ask them to stop. If they refuse,
> 2) Create a section on ANI giving a short, simple, and unbiased explanation
> of the issue with diffs.
> 3) Wait for editors and admins to comment. If the community believes it’s
> problematic enough to warrant action, action will be taken. If no and the
> harassment continues continues,
> 4) Most projects have other methods of handling issues like this. Enwiki
> has ArbCom for this, simplewiki has community sanction discussions, other
> projects have other methods.
>
> At no point would removing the ANI report mid-discussion be helpful. And
> doing so then claiming that it’s the community’s fault is clearly
> incorrect.
>
> Regards,
> Vermont
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 01:46 Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > >
> > > The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are
> criminals
> > > and not above the law. 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
>
> The code of conduct is not a law. People who are harassers are criminals
> and not above the law. Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind
> of harrasment is an offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law
> and not above the law.

Wikipedia is not above the law.


The international aspects and the fact that WMF protects editors privacy
makes options outside the movement very limited to only the extreme end of
the scale. Beside the legal aspect its a cop out for the Community & WMF to
dismiss any harassment as something they cant do anything about, this
response is why AN/I is also a waste of time and why so much harassment
never gets dealt with, ultimately why the movement has difficulty in
attracting under represented groups

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 13:14, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The code of conduct is not a law.
> People who are harassers are criminals and not above the law.
> Sexual harassment is a serious offense. Any kind of harrasment is an
> offense. Wikipedia s administrators are not the law and not above the law.
> Wikipedia is not above the law.
> People who seek help should be appointed to the right specialized
> authorities as the police and not discouraged to do so.
>
> Safety team from my experience, will not help any wikipedian/victim who
> with report a harrasment case. They are just another department of
> wikimedia foundation.
>
> Any people is important and count.
> Please take what ever actions you think is necessary.
>
> I believe you.
>
> Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
>
>
> Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 7:39 π.μ. ο χρήστης Robert Myers <
> robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> έγραψε:
>
> > And there the problem lies, going to local authorities (police) isn’t
> > going to be useful. Some authorities require the alleged crime to be
> > committed in their jurisdiction, which can be limited, anonymous nature
> of
> > the person who committed the alleged crime makes it difficult to identify
> > the individual(s), with it servers hosted outside the jurisdiction make
> it
> > harder to investigate. Also I have seen in the past, WP:LEGAL used
> against
> > those who have reported threats of physical violence or harassment
> > (physical stalking) to law enforcement.
> >
> > I do think there needs to be a off-wiki complaint process for serious
> > allegations, since on-wiki processes can be inappropriate and acts as a
> > chilling effect (since it is very open and public) on the victim(s). The
> > same situation can occur for alleged perpetrator(s), where the
> > allegation(s) are false or vexatious and malicious grievances.
> >
> > Maybe the Universal Code of Conduct might address this issue, it might
> not
> > as well.
> >
> > --
> > Robert Myers
> > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au
> > http://www.wikimedia.org.au
> >
> > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 1:37 pm, Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής <
> > anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you ve been sexually harassed in wikipedia this is not a matter to
> be
> > > solved on a mailing list or by Safety team. Go to you local authorities
> > and
> > > report it. This is a very serious matter to just become an essay for
> > > someone or belive that it can be solved by administrators or safety
> team.
> > > Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my
> harrasers
> > to
> > > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious
> matter!
> > > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious
> > people
> > > by your local authorities.
> > > I wish someone could told me that in my case then and not point me to
> > > safety team. They will not help you.
> > >
> > > Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής
> > >
> > >
> > > Στις Δευ, 24 Αυγ 2020, 3:41 π.μ. ο χρήστης Gnangarra <
> > gnanga...@gmail.com>
> > > έγραψε:
> > >
> > >> If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place
> to
> > >> send them for help,  that is an absolute failure of the community to
> > >> understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the
> harm.
> > >> Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the
> harassment
> > >> that they have succeeded in causing harm.
> > >>
> > >> This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach
> > the
> > >> imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias.  Everyone
> > speaks
> > >> english but the cul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
If someone feels harassed then a public noticeboard is the last place to
send them for help,  that is an absolute failure of the community to
understand that the act of reporting is also doubling down on the harm.
Doing so publicly is indicating to the person committing the harassment
that they have succeeded in causing harm.

This folks is the very reason why we fail to retain editors and breach the
imbalance of editors and continue have trouble with bias.  Everyone speaks
english but the cultural nuances of the language vary greatly with words
having multiple meanings and being used specifically to cause offense.

The word cutie has its meanings;

   -  of being nice looking when talking about kids and animals

but once its used referring to an adult as part of a discussion its changes
to that of them being;

   - of being an arsehole
   - of being picky
   - and of having sexual connotations ranging from you are fuckable, to
   your sexual orientation.

When these complaints get to something like AN/I those cultural and
linguistic nuances get dismissed and the person using them has gained a lot
of power, self satisfaction, and endorsement of their harassment as being
ok, with a bonus that other users are now also enabled to harass the
complaining editor knowing full well that AN/I will do nothing.

The bottom line is if a person feels harassed they have been harassed,
whether we understand the depth of why they feel harassed is not relevant
but that should not be a barrier to prevent further harassment.


On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 06:21, Isaac Olatunde 
wrote:

> Hello Chris,
>
> This isn't a terribly bad advise, AFAICS.
>
> Harassments are treated on a case-by-case basis.
>
> So, if this is something you aren't comfortable discussing publicly, you
> could email the Functionary team or ArbCom or similar body in that
> community.
>
> If it's something that should be removed from public view, you could
> contact the oversight team.
>
> I can't see the contents of the harassment, so I can only speak based on
> general principle.
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, 23:07 Chris Sherlock, 
> wrote:
>
> > To be clear, this is what I was advised:
> >
> > “ Harassment concerns can be reviewed under the appropriate community
> > process. I would therefore advise you to report the edit summary to the
> > appropriate channels on the wiki it occured. If this happened on English
> > Wikipedia, this would be the Administrator's board for incidents.
> > I hope the above is helpful.”
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 24 Aug 2020, at 6:43 am, Chris Sherlock  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being
> > sexually harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private
> > mechanisms to report this sort of thing.
> > >
> > > Is this for real?
> > >
> > > Chris Sherlock
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Gnangarra
The WMF has spent the last 4 years developing a strategy to take us to 2030
everything was on the table.   OTRS is the one chink in that process that
needs to address community concerns I'm all for improving every system we
use.

I think it would be good if someone stepped up to hold some discussions and
walk through on how the system works, and what we as agents deal with.
 It's best that the community is informed on the processes so that they can
get an understanding and help address concerns being raised as well as
collaborate on finding solutions where the system is falling over.

The starting point must be who, where within the WMF structures is there
oversight of OTRS given its agents are speaking for the WMF as well.


On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 07:03, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:29, Nathan  wrote:
> >
> > Tomasz notes, correctly, that OTRS agents on *general
> > info queues* (which he distinguished from permission queues) just answer
> > questions, they don't exercise authority. Andy's reply is both
> > argumentative and inaccurate.
>
> Mea culpa. In the initial discussion on Wikidata, and in the
> discussion on the OTRS noticeboard on Commons, we were told, more than
> once, by OTRS agents, that the images had been sent to "OTRS
> photo-submissions". I assumed that a "photo-submissions" queue was a
> form of "general info queue", since it is distinct from a permissions
> queue.
>
> For that, my apologies to Tomasz.
>
> > Tomasz could easily be on-side for genuine
> > reform. He's an insider at OTRS who acknowledges room for improvement.
> But
> > it wouldn't surprise me if this response converts him to an opponent.
>
> I'd like to think I know Tomasz well enough - having met him several
> times, including being his guest in Warsaw - to know he's not that
> fickle.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-19 Thread Gnangarra
uld exist, do not, or are
> > ''de facto'' without being written down. But until we see a
> > comprehensive list of those that do exist and are written, how can we
> > know?
> >
> > > I feel comfortable sharing that the set of OTRS-wide 'policies' that is
> > on
> > > the wiki, is probably of little interest to this matter.
> >
> > I am very interested in seeing all those 'policies'; as others have
> > said they are.
> >
> > As noted earlier in this thread, I do not see how I could be any more
> > clear about my wish to see them.
> >
> > > This is why I
> > > noted that Jonatan's response could be misleading, because it implies
> all
> > > kind of secrecy that doesn't exist.
> >
> > It stated, not implied, that "the Confidentiality Agreement all OTRS
> > agents sign" prevented him from answering some of the questions asked
> > on-wiki in February, and quoted at the start of this thread.
> >
> > > There are actually a few policies
> > > linked at [[m:OTRS <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OTRS>]], that are
> > > simply copied there (Access, Activity policies).
> >
> > That page, and those linked from it, do not answer the questions to
> > which I have already referred.
> >
> > > There is some stuff about
> > > privacy, confidentiality and how to deal with mailing lists. Imho
> nothing
> > > that exciting.
> >
> > Perhaps not exciting to you; but I and others argue that such content
> > should nonetheless be public. We have been told that OTRS agents are
> > discussing the matter on their private email and IRC channels, but
> > then... Nothing.
> >
> > > OTRS is an immensely diverse system, and I don't think it's helpful to
> > try
> > > to analyze that with overly broad questions.
> >
> > I do not accept that questions such as, for example:
> >
> >5 how is OTRS overseen, and who by?
> >
> >7 what is the process for the community to remove an
> >  individual's OTRS permissions, if they fail to uphold
> >  or abide by policy?
> >
> >9 which individuals can make someone an OTRS agent,
> >  or remove their permissions?
> >
> >10 how are the individuals in #9 appointed and overseen?
> >
> > are "overly broad"; but if you think they are, how would you narrow their
> > focus?
> >
> >
> First of all: you're framing my words and taking them out of context. I'm
> not going to waste further energy on that.
>
> Answering that would require me to actually understand what the underlying
> issue is that you want to solve. I've given up on that.
>
> Lodewijk
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for participation: World War II… 75 Years After

2020-07-08 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya

Wonderful idea, just a reminder that each community considering
participating in this should do so within the boundaries and conditions of
all local restrictions due to covid.

Take care of yourself



On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 23:10, WМ RepublikaSrpska 
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> World War II… 75 Years After
>
> Soon, will be 75 years since the end of the deadliest episodes in human
> history. Over 60 countries took part in the 6-years long  military
> conflict. World War II took over 50.000.000 lives, and more 35.000.000 was
> wounded. Many of them lost their lives after the war. Hundreds of battles
> were fought on dozens of fronts. Thousands of buildings were demolished and
> hundreds of new ones built. Despite that, life was renewed and continued
> after this catastrophe of global proportions. New ideas, new movements, -
> new history were born.
>
> Events from the past have largely defined our present and left us the
> obligation to document and preserve them for the future.
>
> So, we invite you to use the month of September for marking the 75th
> anniversary of the end of the Second World War with a series of
> Edit-a-Thones and competitions dedicated to this topic.
>
> Also, actions and cooperation with GLAM institutions, that are treasures of
> information and materials, are welcome. Please note that if you fund such
> actions with WMF grants, you must follow the instructions about COVID-19
> pandemic.
>
> All informations about project you can find on Meta
> (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World
> War II… 75 Years After
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_II%E2%80%A6_75_Years_After>).
>
> Looking forward to work with all of you!
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gnangarra
It's not rocket science, ask an advertising/PR consulting company what they
think about renaming, they are going to go with the easiest option that's
the best known identity.   It's a no brainer exercise of take the money and
run.

There is more to this community/movement than its choice of name, to get to
those aspects and come up with something new is an exercise that no
PR/advertising company wants to take on without substantial outlay and
healthy profit because failure will be remembered long after the last
cheque is cashed.  You only need to look at how the outcome of
Alphabet/Google naming to realise that deeper meanings exist.  Wikipedia is
more than just a brand outside the movement, it's synonymous with it being
a community, with trusted knowledge, and significantly something that
somehow worked when everything the experts assumed about collaboration said
it shouldn't.

Yes we know the board can do whatever they want, call themselves whatever
they want,  the question has always been should they?, even then they
should have known not to.

The Wikimedia Foundation will always be a distant second to Wikipedia even
if they try to take on the name Wikipedia, which is as it should be as
Wikipedia is not about the Board or Foundation both of whom are there to
only support the projects.  It's beholden upon us as community members to
grow the community, to grow the content , and ensure its quality the
Foundation is there to provide the support/foundations we need to do our
part. While the Board is there to ensure that the WMF acts within the
bounds of its scope and complies with its legal requirements as a charity.

WMF and the Board are just the pilot and tug boat whos knowledge is meant
to keep us off the rocks, tug boats dont take on the name of the ship they
have their own identity.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 18:36, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
> warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
> argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
> exchange of arguments when you do not allow for reading and commenting on
> what has been expressed?
>
> For the record I do value WereSpielChequers, he is imho an accomplished
> Wikimedian who I respect.
>
> When you tell me that I cannot comment on what people write, how do you
> expose a bias. What does it do for a freedom of expression? What I bring
> are arguments that you do not refute by dismissing them.
> Thanks,
>GerardM
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 11:43, Benjamin Lees  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:56 AM Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the
> > choices
> > > made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects
> and
> > > you make that plain in what you say.
> > >
> >
> > This sort of assumption-making about other list participants' motives is
> > completely unwarranted.[1]  You've been doing it repeatedly.  Please
> stop.
> >
> > [1] As regards WereSpielChequers, it is also demonstrably false.  He has
> > nearly 500,000 edits on Commons.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Gnangarra
I recognise and again apologise for confusing the actions of two different
Board members that represent the "community".

I have directly contacted Nataliia and apologised in person, and offered to
do what she requests to make amends for the statement.I had no
intention to participate in this any further until I had heard from
Nataliia as to her wishes.

If there was a way to take back the statements as whole I would have
already requested it, if there is a way for admins of the list to put my
comments on moderation for a period time I request they do so or
alternatively they can ban me from the list though them I'd be able to
answer to the list for my actions.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 at 07:46, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> I tend to agree with Nathan here. I don't know the history of the event
> described, so I'm not sure whether or not it would be fair to bring up even
> if it had been Natalia. But certainly, publicly identifying the incorrect
> person in an accusation is no small thing.
>
> Gnangarra, you have given yourself an opportunity to show the rest of us
> what it looks like to take responsibility for doing something wrong. I
> think we are all interested to see what path you take.
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 4:08 PM Nathan  wrote:
>
> > Considering the context, Gnangarra, I think you owe something a little
> more
> > substantial. In the midst of tearing Nat down for misdeeds which you
> > yourself acknowledge she didn't personally commit (that of Board
> > miscommunication), and considering your opposition is based on Board
> > directives that she did not write, you slandered her with an accusation
> > that is both incorrectly applied to her and false in any case.
> >
> > As you said, "Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean
> > accepting and acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend
> to
> > do to rectify that failing." I await your demonstration of this principle
> > which is clearly so critically important to you. Nataliia is a human
> being
> > and a volunteer, as are we all, and we should all be better than to toss
> > off gross insults against colleagues on no basis whatsoever.
> >
> > On the topic, I think others have said it very well - the core problem is
> > that this rebranding approach is backward. It should have begun with
> > community conversations, with a "grass roots" effort to develop a common
> > understanding of the problem. Instead the Board decided, paid some
> people a
> > lot of money to present a narrow range of options, and planned the
> > community consultation as a last and limited step. These are serious
> errors
> > with significant consequences, as we see.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 6:19 AM Gnangarra  wrote:
> >
> > > My apologies for that error
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Gnangarra
My apologies for that error

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 15:56, revi  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra  작성:
> >
> > Nat insulted an ESEAP
> > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
> > nomination.
>
> Fact check: that was Shani Evanstein.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
>
> (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra

seems to think, but by the affiliates.)


Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean accepting and
acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to do to rectify
that failing.

I know Nat was elected by the Affiliates, her seat is one those that are
there to represent the community.   I also know that Nat insulted an ESEAP
affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her
nomination.I would also point out that Affiliates are there to
represent the communities they serve as well.   While I called for her
resignation I hold no expectation that it will actually take place given
past interactions, in fact there's very few people who have gathered power
within this "movement" that would actually willingly stand aside because of
a principle.

There is a greater problem within the "movement" than just The Board,
changing names isnt going to change those problems.  There are many fine,
extremely well skilled people with lots to offer the movement that
arent from Europe or the US but we have a blind spot to those
communities, its almost as if the movement is acting as 17th century
colonial entity.

Wikimedia is greater than Wikipedia which is just one of our many parts. We
need to embrace all of those parts if we are to grow, instead of clutching
onto one part we need to put effort into making the other parts household
names as well.  Wikipedia will always be just an encyclopaedia, we need to
take on the sum of all our parts because this "movement", this "community"
is greater than just an encyclopaedia if The Board cant see this then we
are in real trouble what ever the name becomes.

In a little bit of irony Asimovs Foundation also floundered because it
became focused on the encyclopaedia and nothing else mattered.

Boodar-wun


On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 08:46, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
> seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
>
> Jan-Bart de Vreede  escreveu no dia segunda,
> 22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26:
>
> >  Hi Gnangarra
> >
> > I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> > because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of
> > Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation.
> >
> > Quoting from the excellent Wikimedia Board Handbook(1)
> >
> > "WMF is an entrusted steward within the Wikimedia movement. The Board's
> > role (and legal obligation) is to oversee the management of the
> > organization and ensure that it fulfills its mission and responsibilities
> > as a steward. To help accomplish this, the Board maintains a strong
> > connection to the Wikimedia communities. For example, WMF's bylaws
> require
> > that a majority of Board seats (not including the Founder's seat and
> > non-member officer positions) be filled by candidates selected by the
> > communities and chapters, and appointed by the incumbent Board members -
> an
> > unusual requirement for a nonprofit board. Board members are often active
> > community members as well. That said, Board members have a fiduciary duty
> > to represent the overall WMF interests during their service on the Board
> –
> > not just the interests of chapters or certain parts of the communities. “
> >
> > So while the community certainly gets to elect board members, these board
> > members have obligations once they are appointed to the board. And yes:
> > that also means getting community input, but all board members should be
> > concerned with that, not just those elected by the community.
> >
> > Jan-Bart
> >
> > > On 22 Jun 2020, at 08:52, Gnangarra  wrote:
> > >
> > > The choice is yours to resign because the The Board isnt considering
> the
> > > community as a key part of what we have created, or because you
> > > arent representing the community's voice on the Board.
> >
> >
> > 1)
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
> > challenges to come.
> >
> > All across the Movement we have a lot to do to accomplish our 2030 goals
> > and build out our movement strategy. And that work can be done as the
> > Wikimedia Movement, Wikimedia communities, and the Foundation even with a
> > new name, depending on our needs.
> >
> > Stay safe,
> >
> > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv
> >
> > Acting Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
> >
> >
> > [1] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes/2020-02#Board_Business
> >
> > [2]
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_Wikimedia_brand_strategy_proposal_for_2030.pdf
> >
> >
> > [3]
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes/2018-11-9,10,11#Branding
> >
> > [4]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Executive_statement
> >
> >
> > [5]
> >
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Brand_Project_Support_(May_2020)
> >
> >
> > [6] 2030 Movement Brand Project: Naming Convention Proposals Survey:
> > https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9G2dN7P0T7gPqpD
> >
> > [7] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes/2013-11#Movement_roles
> > [8]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Naming_guidelines
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Gnangarra
taxonomy for humans. These maps are not even required to
> have
> > > > > > warnings that their content is scientific racism or why that's a
> > bad
> > > > > > thing.[3]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the current time, nobody is solving this problem with systemic
> > > > > > racism and I am unaware of the WMF funding a project that will
> take
> > > > > > action to fix it, nor even tracking this repugnant material. The
> > idea
> > > > > > that we might still be vaguely talking about how bad it is that
> > > > > > Wikipedia is being used to promote "Negroid race" as science in
> > > > > > several years time, without any systematic action to get rid of
> it
> > or
> > > > > > at least correctly reformat the article to describe it as
> debunked,
> > > > > > should alarm everyone concerned that donor's money is supporting
> > this
> > > > > > content.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Links
> > > > > > 1.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B0
> > > > > > 2. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloide
> > > > > > 3.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Average_East-Eurasian_ancestry_(Mongoloid).png
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-26 Thread Gnangarra
Is  anyone not already aware of the recent issue facing Facebook over
compensation for moderators
https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/12/facebook-moderators-ptsd-settlement/   To
me there appears to be potential risk that the Board and the WMF must
consider in relation to any role that involves any form of moderation;

   1. is there a problem with setting standards against harassment, toxic
   behavior, and incivility that is at a minimum equal, understandable, and
   respected on all projects, committees, affiliates, events and everything
   else we do
   2. is there concern about being asked to contribute at these standards
   3. is the concern how much the WMF needs to be part of the process, or
   4. how long it should be allowed to go unaddressed before its escalated.

I go back way to far back I remember a group targeted stalking of female
admins,  I was part of a group of admins that were willing to take action
against this group. We lost some very good people during that,   Harassment
has been an on going issue for all my 15 years, we had some the worst
people become tool holders, others have just created 1,000's of socks.
There are still people contributing today that are trolls, and harassers
contributing today, we know that our failures to deal with it effectively
and quickly are legendary.   What ever we do we need to keep improving our
response and our ability to respond across projects, the alternative is
going to be that the Board & WMF are going to have to step in and take
responsibility out of the communities hands.



On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 18:58, Philip Kopetzky 
wrote:

> What Martin mentions should be covered in the recommendations for the 2030
> strategy, the measures mentioned here being "fast-tracked" to provide a
> starting point for improving Community Health.
> Conflict resolution needs to happen on the lowest possible level so that we
> don't run into situations we've encountered in the past. Of course it's
> difficult for one aspect to work without the other, so the overall goal
> won't be achieved until every part is in place.
>
> On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 17:46, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > > A former steward fellow and I
> > > discussed this topic at the Safety Space at Wikimania. Due to the
> nature
> > of
> > > the space, the discussion have not been documented but you can find the
> > > presentation with backgrounds of the situation and open questions on
> > > Commons
> > > <
> > >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_%E2%80%93_Do_we_need_a_global_dispute_resolution_committee%3F.pdf
> > > >.
> > > Maybe it can give some ideas how to proceed with this.
> > >
> >
> > Yes -- I was just thinking of your discussions of this while reading the
> > thread. I hope these steward reflections are considered as people move
> > forward.
> >
> > The case of disputes that embroil an entire community and their admins
> > should (also) specifically be addressed.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-23 Thread Gnangarra
believe we have made enough progress toward creating
> > > > welcoming, inclusive, harassment-free spaces in which people can
> > > contribute
> > > > productively and debate constructively.
> > > >
> > > > In recognition of the urgency of these issues, the Board is
> directing the
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation to directly improve the situation in
> collaboration
> > > > with our communities. This should include developing sustainable
> > > practices
> > > > and tools that eliminate harassment, toxicity, and incivility,
> promote
> > > > inclusivity, cultivate respectful discourse, reduce harms to
> > > participants,
> > > > protect the projects from disinformation and bad actors, and promote
> > > trust
> > > > in our projects.
> > > >
> > > > Specifically, the Foundation shall:
> > > >
> > > > * Develop and introduce a universal code of conduct (UCoC) that will
> be a
> > > > binding minimum set of standards across all Wikimedia projects.
> > > >
> > > > ** The first phase, covering policies for in-person and virtual
> events,
> > > > technical spaces, and all Wikimedia projects and wikis, and
> developed in
> > > > collaboration with the international Wikimedia communities, will be
> > > > presented to the Board for ratification by August 30, 2020.
> > > >
> > > > ** The second phase, outlining clear enforcement pathways, and
> refined
> > > with
> > > > broad input from the Wikimedia communities, will be presented to the
> > > Board
> > > > for ratification by the end of 2020;
> > > >
> > > > * Take actions to ban, sanction, or otherwise limit the access of
> > > Wikimedia
> > > > movement participants who do not comply with these policies and the
> Terms
> > > > of Use;
> > > >
> > > > * Work with community functionaries to create and refine a
> retroactive
> > > > review process for cases brought by involved parties, excluding those
> > > cases
> > > > which pose legal or other severe risks; and
> > > >
> > > > * Significantly increase support for and collaboration with community
> > > > functionaries primarily enforcing such compliance in a way that
> > > prioritizes
> > > > the personal safety of these functionaries.
> > > >
> > > > Until such directives are implemented, the Board instructs the
> Foundation
> > > > to adopt and implement policies for reducing harassment and toxicity
> on
> > > our
> > > > projects and minimizing legal risks for the movement, in
> collaboration
> > > with
> > > > communities whenever practicable. Until these two phases of the UCoC
> are
> > > > complete and operational an interim review process involving
> community
> > > > functionaries will be in effect. In this interim period, the Product
> > > > Committee of the Board of Trustees will also advise the Trust &
> Safety
> > > > team.
> > > >
> > > > To that end, the Board further directs the Foundation, in
> collaboration
> > > > with the communities, to make additional investments in Trust &
> Safety
> > > > capacity, including but not limited to: development of tools needed
> to
> > > > assist our volunteers and staff, research to support data-informed
> > > > decisions, development of clear metrics to measure success,
> development
> > > of
> > > > training tools and materials (including building communities’
> capacities
> > > > around harassment awareness and conflict resolution), and
> consultations
> > > > with international experts on harassment, community health and
> children’s
> > > > rights, as well as additional hiring.
> > > >
> > > > The above efforts will be undertaken in coordination and
> collaboration
> > > with
> > > > appropriate partners from across the movement, seek to increase
> effective
> > > > community governance of conduct and behavioral standards, and reduce
> the
> > > > long-term need of the Foundation to act. It is the shared goal of the
> > > Board
> > > > and Foundation that these efforts advance a sustainable Wikimedia
> > > movement
> > > > and support, rather than substitute, effective models of community
> > > > governance.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-22 Thread Gnangarra
Agree Masti

Its hard to for people to understand that Commons has a foot in two places,

   - US Laws - because thats were its hosted
   - State of Origin - because that were its from.

using just cc-by with or without sa option is an very clear pathway to
someone off with their own images.then you move to PD(public
domain) for US that pre 1920's locally that again varies for each country.
If its PD in your country then there will be a license for it on Commons
it'll specify what before what date, under what conditions.

Never ever consult a local lawyer they will always hedge their decision.

After that things get a lot more intuitive and require a lot deeper
understanding and an acceptance you could be wrong especially when you need
to rely on auto translators,  even with UK/US/Canadian/Australian/South
African/Classical english we all use words that look the same, even sound
the same but can mean slightly different things.

Gnangaraa

On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 22:53, masti  wrote:

> commons problem is a hostile admin environment.
> people without understnd for non UK/US ways of handling copyright law
> technical issues are important, as  new users do not know how to do it.
> but once they overcome that heir pictures got deleted
>
> masti
>
> On 17.05.2020 05:04, Benjamin Ikuta wrote:
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why
> people don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Gnangarra
it all comes back to "Who is our audience" and "How do we need/want to
engage with them"

If you start on the mainpage, follow the about link, then follow to scope
there is no clear just a vague anyone...

I think we need to be honest in the assessment of our true audience, thats
basically the WMF projects therefore our purpose is "to make freely
licensed media accessible across all movement projects"

Like the movement strategy process we need to dissect what we are trying to
achieve and how we can get there, and then come up with a solution to
address what we already have so its all consistent. At the moment we are
developing differing concepts, tools, policies in isolation .

On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 23:34, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  Yes, structured data are far from perfect. I am sorry about it because I
> know their potential but they need to grow on a difficult soil and this
> slows down. We expected that, unfortunately. You can't just use them
> top-down, they need a bottom-up approach but we lack the right mentality of
> engaged users to make it grow.
>
> If you want to change and improve something right now with metadata, try
> galleries before categories. They are quite useless at the moment, I see
> some users are updating them but they are really poor. It was very frequent
> to finf low resolution files still there, they are not standardized as
> well. Since they have limited structural role, working on that should be
> easier.
>
> Il lunedì 18 maggio 2020, 17:20:31 CEST, Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> ha scritto:
>
>  The search has to be done before the category structure is addressed,
> even if that needs to be done. How else would you compartmentalise, what 32
> million images?
> And structured data has to be fixed before either. The reason is that
> structured data does not have unique names, and I don't think people relate
> to the Q numbers as well as names of things they know already. It's
> actually very much worse than that because these automated "Depicts"
> suggestions do not appear to know about Commons categories such that they
> suggest an obvious statement.
>
> We all know it's maybe broken, but I don't see this as a fix, even if we
> run two systems in parallel until the structured data is (a) mature (b)
> sensible and (c) throughly reliable.
>
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>
> 
>
> I think we could start to make the category structure obsolete  and focus
> on structured data, there's already bots running basic structured data that
> could be ramped up. and Having Wikidata game(
> https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/) thats instead focused on whats
> in
> a file & its description, that would capture more structured data including
> licensing. It'd help teach people more about including structured data
> 62million files is a lot to process so it'll take time but we can run
> competitions like 1lib1ref, encourage affiliates to focus on doing Commons
> structured data game as outreach events, this will teach people about
> licensing, and about what makes a good photograph because everyone knows a
> 30px by 30px photo is crap we can have structured data items less than
> 100,200,500px on the long edge.
>
> Next step would be to look at the search function, add in an advance option
> with a few optional fields to fill in that searches the structured data.
> The advance search option could then sort by pixel size giving the biggest
> images first.
>
> On Mon, 18 May 2020 at 22:28, Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > Commons needs iterative workflows that tag problems and modify what
> reuses
> > / transfusions are supported, rather than making everything a crude
> > delete/keep decision.  Else it will always struggle w scaling to these
> > uses.
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Mon., May 18, 2020, 9:48 a.m. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l, <
> > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  in the past "99% unproblematic" was true, because most of the things
> > were
> > > obvious and standard (panorama of towns, ancient portraits), it's not
> > > nowadays.
> > > You can upload tons of unproblematic pictures because they are easy to
> > > find, but you don't need them really. So they mos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-17 Thread Gnangarra
I think you've hit the nail on the head Pine with

> However, I'm not sure that
> the community has enough human resources to monitor and sustain
> another project. We already have problems with maintaining what we
> have.


We really need to address the lack of cross project support and community
by further integration of projects rather than create more stand alone
projects.

>
>

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 14:42, Pine W  wrote:

> If memory serves me correctly, as Steinsplitter said, there has been
> pushback on Commons regarding allowing NC-licensed images on Commons,
> but I can't recall if there was a consensus regarding having a site
> that is an alternative to Commons and allow images with NC licenses.
> I'm not sure how much discussion there was regarding setting up a new
> sister project for this purpose. I can imagine that one argument
> against it would be that it could cause confusion, but I think that
> with a good UI design that could be fixed. However, I'm not sure that
> the community has enough human resources to monitor and sustain
> another project. We already have problems with maintaining what we
> have.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra
the NC discussion from memory fell in that they impacted the ability to
include them in Wikipedia pages that are then rebroadcast by people like
Google and answers.com  because it was a more restrictive license.

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 12:44, Pine W  wrote:

> Personally, I wish that Commons permitted images with licenses that
> restricted the images to noncommercial use only. There are some media
> files that I would have uploaded to Commons if this was the case.
>
> I have seen at least previous discussion about this but I can't
> remember what happened to it. My guess is that the proposal died for
> lack of consensus or lack of energy. I remember that one proposed
> solution was to set up another website for media files that would
> allow media with NC restrictions.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 3:05 AM Benjamin Ikuta 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why
> people don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra
The scope of Commons is actually much less, than en.wikipedia   uploading
to Commons is not a great introduction to the movement copyright and more
complex than just fixing a spelling error or adding a statement.

We do need to more to encourage uploading of media files, WLE, WLM do work
towards that more on the ground engagement within communities, and seeking
support from within the photography community where mine, mine, mine, dont
ask for free stuff is big issue because way to many commercial operators
want everything for free, we forget that photography is an expensive hobby
you cant just borrow gear from a library or read online like you can with
sourcing written content.

Personally I think WLE, WLM need bigger budgets all round with sponsors
from retail outlets offering photography prizes and WMF & Affiliates
offering the primary prize that lets people buy gear like cameras and lenses

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 11:05, Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> broader than that of Wikipedia.
>
> Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people
> don't contribute more broadly?
>
> ~Benjamin
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Feature from Community Tech: Enhanced Password Reset

2020-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
A nice additional layer to the system, thankyou. Perhaps it may be possible
for those users with TFA activated to also make it a requirement for a
password reset requests.

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 06:01, Ilana Fried  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
> The Community Tech team[1] has released a new feature: Enhanced Password
> Reset[2]. We developed this feature in response to the #3 wish[3] from the
> 2019
> Community Wishlist Survey[4]. With this feature, you can prevent password
> reset emails from being sent unless both your username and email address
> are provided on Special:PasswordReset. This is an optional feature,
> available in the “Email options” section of Preferences. If you enable the
> feature, you can reduce harassment through unsolicited password reset
> emails. For more information, you can visit the Help:Password Reset page[5]
> and the project page[6].
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Ilana Fried
>
> Product Manager, Community Tech
>
>
> [1]. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech
> [2].
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Reset_password#I%E2%80%99m_getting_password_reset_emails_that_I_didn%E2%80%99t_request._How_do_I_prevent_this_from_happening
> ?
> [3].
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Anti-harassment/Add_an_option_to_require_email_address_and_username_to_reset_password
> [4].
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
> [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Reset_password
> [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Tech/Password_Reset_Update
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-20 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-04-11 Thread Gnangarra
t; > > > > Thank you!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Samir and the brand project team
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Brand_Network
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [4] Join via Zoom:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/769565325
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steam via Youtube Live:
> > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS72O6Si94Q
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM David Gerard  >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The article itself is spammy brochure-style nonsense, and this
> is
> > > even
> > > > > > > after some cleanup. Editorial eyes welcomed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_(company)
> > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sn%C3%B8hetta_%28company%29>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - d.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 23:16, Samir Elsharbaty
> > > > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the
> > > concerns
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > questions around Snøhetta and the English Wikipedia, and have
> > now
> > > > > added
> > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > FAQ about it. [1] Please refer there for the full details
> about
> > > the
> > > > > > block
> > > > > > > > and what is being done. The project team is in the process of
> > > > > updating
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > project materials, including the FAQ, so feel free to add
> those
> > > pages
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > your watchlist to stay up to date on the latest information.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Samir
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://w.wiki/LEF
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty (he/him)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Community Brand and Marketing coordinator
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 4:43 AM Gnangarra <
> gnanga...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This does have feeling of a company creating a financial
> > > > > relationship
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban
> > > thats
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > reviewed already.   Over the years I've worked with many
> > users
> > > who
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > blocked and help them become productive contributors but
> > before
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-23 Thread Gnangarra
This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship with
the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been
reviewed already.   Over the years I've worked with many users who been
blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they start
making recommendation or decisions about who we are there needs to be
something done to get them back to good standing with the community first
untiil thats taken place.It's like asking the fox to rebuild the hen
house,  I just dont see how I could support anything they recommend.

After the dollars, and t=volunteer time that has been pumped into the 2030
strategy shouldnt we already know who we are, as it is that should have
been the key starting point for a strategy process. Its comprehensible not
to have known or explored that before deciding where, how, why we will be
doing anything for the next 10 years.

On Tue, 24 Mar 2020 at 03:20, David Gerard  wrote:

> Particularly as they've demonstrated by their actions an unwillingness
> to work with Wikipedia properly:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive318#Review_of_User:Sn%C3%B8hettaAS_block_please
>
>
> - d.
>
> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 04:34, Peter Southwood
>  wrote:
> >
> > I would agree with this in principle. From what I have seen so far, it
> looks like either Snøhetta have not done their homework on how we operate,
> or they have the arrogance of PR agencies, don't care, and plan to spin
> their way through with smoke and mirrors, flashy pages with lots of buzz,
> little content and all the dialogue they can't avoid. Maybe I am wrong, and
> they have just been badly briefed. Who can tell from the outside? Block
> evasion does not bode well for their understanding of the community.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Pine W
> > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 8:13 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > First, a disclaimer that these comments aren't directed personally at
> > you, Essie.
> >
> > Even if money was unlimited, I thought that Snøhetta deserved the
> > community's trust, and I felt that WMF was a good steward of resources
> > (all of which are questionable), I don't think that this project is a
> > good idea. Wikidata is an increasingly important component of the
> > Wikiverse, and there are a some problems with WMF rebranding itself as
> > the Wikipedia Foundation including the risk to the communities and
> > affiliates from WMF's political adventures, governance problems, and
> > occasional high profile clashes with the community. I don't think that
> > the costs or the risks here make sense, I wouldn't involve Snøhetta
> > given its apparent block evasion on English Wikipedia, and I've been
> > unimpressed with WMF's handling of this process during the past few
> > months.
> >
> > I am fine with discussions about branding, but not with this program
> > in its current form.
> >
> > Given the choice, I would freeze this project and spending associated
> > with it pending a Meta RfC regarding the community's view on whether
> > this project should continue. If the community wants a branding
> > project to continue, I would let the community decide on the project's
> > parameters and budget, and what if any consultant should be involved.
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] April could be our Wikimedia month of kindness

2020-03-12 Thread Gnangarra
time to also look back through your photo collections maybe re-edit or add
those images you always meant to but never quite got around to it

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 05:45, Mike Peel  wrote:

> More generally, is it a good time to encourage more people to start
> editing the projects? Presumably people have a lot more free time at the
> moment if they are off work / not spending time on commutes / not
> socialising / etc.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 12 Mar 2020, at 14:51:53, Samuel Klein  wrote:
> >
> > What a great idea!  Thakn you for sharing.  We could also strongly
> > encourage shutting down most bitey aspects of tools and scripts.
> >
> > This can be a nice sanity check to see if we discover, as wikihow did,
> that
> > talking to people by hand rather than via cold template increases
> > participation significantly over time.  ///S
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:40 AM Fæ  wrote:
> >
> >> Wikimedia Commons is proposing that April becomes a Month of Kindness.
> >>
> >>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Votes,_month_of_kindness
> >>
> >> The pandemic is affecting everyone and is likely to be very stressful
> >> for many. This proposal aims to remind everyone throughout April to
> >> make extra efforts to be kinder in their interactions, making our
> >> Wikimedia project a kinder and more supportive space as our default.
> >>
> >> Do any other projects fancy joining this initiative?
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiProject_remote_event_participation on
possible options and available materials, its not perfect and there are
mechanics and costs that individual events need to addressed but hopefully
it'll help as a starting point

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 23:05, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
> fine
>
>
> https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE
>
> but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
> > wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided
> to
> > attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
> > May meetings might need to go virtual.
> >
> > Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
> > dozen to twenty people?
> >
> > I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade
> ago,
> > but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 13:27, 
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> > >2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)
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> > >
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> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
> > > From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
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> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a
> > professional
> > > team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5
> months
> > in
> > > the future.
> > >
> > > It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
> > > situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer
> where
> > we
> > > stand.
> > >
> > > For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is
> not
> > > shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing
> > down
> > > the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
> > > prioritizes our safety.
> > >
> > > I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that
> they
> > > are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Dj "pundit"
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks
> are
> > > > far too great.
> > > >
> > > > A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
> > > > potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.
> > > >
> > > > I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I
> strongly
> > > > hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this
> year's
> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
Kaya Toni and the Community

We are trying to assemble the latest up to date advice we can get, as you
can imagine thats a very complex task given how wide spread our community
is and the shifting dynamics of the current situation.   While ESEAP is the
host for the Wikimania we still need the WMF, its events team, the Board,
and the Wikimania Committee to agree to what is decided.  I dont wish to
preempt any outcome and I hope everyone can keep an open mind about what
lays ahead while we endeavor to provide a more specific answer.

I wish I could give you a more direct answer but for now your patience is
very much appreciated.

Boodar-wun
Gnangarra

On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 19:48, Toni Ristovski  wrote:

> Dear Gnangarra,
>
> On your last email in this thread you mentioned that you will discuss
> situation with corona virus CoVid-19, regarding upcoming Wikimania. I know
> that nobody have enough information, but following all the news and
> following recent developments, could you please update us about this issue
> on this thread.
>
> Thank you
> Toni
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 1:15 PM Ciell Wikipedia  >
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your response!
> >
> > Ciell
> >
> > Op wo 26 feb. 2020 12:32 schreef Gnangarra :
> >
> > > Hi Ciell
> > >
> > > ESEAP team and the WMF are meeting later this week with discussion on
> > this
> > > very issue on the agenda. As it stands we have been following the
> changes
> > > and recommendations of many countries in relation to travel to Thailand
> > and
> > > Bangkok.  The WMF  team is also following developments, as you can
> > imagine
> > > its a very dynamic situation.  At this stage we are continuing the
> > > scholarship application process because there isnt the time frame
> > necessary
> > > to delay while waiting for further developments occur so we can more
> > > assured of the necessary measures that will need to be taken.
> > >
> > > For people who dont get scholarships, or are already planning to fund
> > their
> > > own travel there for once waiting is becoming an advantage as the cost
> of
> > > travel is dropping and there will be incentives to encourage people to
> > > travel.   Anyone making bookings I recommend you obtain insurance that
> > > covers you for all eventualities especially scenarios related to the
> > virus.
> > >
> > > Community safety is at the absolute forefront of our plans and
> concerns.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:05, Ciell Wikipedia <
> ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Gnangarra,
> > > >
> > > > With the Corona virus spreading rapidly around the world: can you
> tell
> > me
> > > > (us) something about the scenario for Wikimania when the virus would
> > > still
> > > > be heavily active in August?
> > > > People might want to wait a bit longer before applying, or maybe want
> > to
> > > > know more about cancelling their travels after they have confirmed
> the
> > > > scholarship. Will this be possible?
> > > >
> > > > Vriendelijke groet,
> > > > Ciell
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Op do 20 feb. 2020 om 21:46 schreef Gnangarra :
> > > >
> > > > > Wikimania is fast approaching, this year it'll be held in Bangkok
> and
> > > as
> > > > > always the Wikimedia Foundation has a limited number of
> opportunities
> > > to
> > > > > assist people to attend. There are two types of scholarships the
> > first
> > > > > being a full scholarship which covers, travel, accommodation, and
> > > > > registration, the second a  partial scholarship that covers
> > > accommodation
> > > > > and registration.
> > > > >
> > > > > This year for the first time East, South East Asia, and Pacific
> > > (ESEAP)
> > > > as
> > > > > collaboration between the region we'll be your host for Wikimania.
> > The
> > > > > region has placed a high importance on collaboration and knowledge
> > > > sharing
> > > > > this years Wikimania program will reflect that. Our theme is;
> > > > > *Power of Diverse Collaboration*
> > > > > *Sharing knowledge brings people together*
> > > > >
> > > > > How does this impact on scholarship? ESEAP is looking for people
> who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SEEKING A WIKIPEDIAN IN RESIDENCE! (U.S.)

2020-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
I also find it good to hear about these opportunities, I work with students
doing both under graduate and post graduate studies these emails enable me
to show to them that there are future opportunities and value in working
with Wikimedia projects.   Even though the scope is small and appears
unlikely to be of interest I have had a student complete their studies here
in Perth, Western Australia and utilize those skill after taking up a
position at University in Johannesburg South Africa.  I also know of two
students who have made applications to do doctoral studies in the US based
on these opportunities, and another person who applied for a UK WiR
position.

These opportunities are a very important aspect of sharing knowledge, and
community development as for all caps its really not that significant in
the greater scheme of things

On Fri, 28 Feb 2020 at 07:35, Todd Allen  wrote:

> I don't think the posting itself is inappropriate. It's Wikimedia-related
> business, and that, broadly, is what this list is for.
>
> Still, the use of ALL CAPS for a subject which will only be of relevance to
> a small fraction of readers is indeed a bit much. (And that's true even
> beyond geography; I live in Colorado, but I'm not interested in such a
> position.) So, I think that particular complaint is valid. Use regular
> case, and let the reader decide whether it's of importance to them.
>
> Todd
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 4:28 PM Robert Fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > As a long time on and off subscriber to this list for many years, I want
> to
> > say that I do find posts about jobs like this very useful, unlike posts
> > complaining about capitalization and geography.  It is informative and
> > exciting to find out where Wikipedia projects are making in-roads, and
> what
> > better place to find an experienced job candidate who will respect
> > community norms and policies while editing on behalf of an employer.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:40 PM Jake Orlowitz 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Annual Reviews, an independent, nonprofit scholarly research publisher,
> > > seeks an enthusiastic Wikipedian-in-Residence (WIR).
> > >
> > > The aim of this role is to improve Wikipedia’s coverage of the sciences
> > by
> > > citing expert articles from Annual Reviews’ journals. The WIR will
> engage
> > > with Wikipedia editors across life, biomedical, physical, and social
> > > science articles and WikiProjects to help ensure responsible and
> valuable
> > > expansion of content.
> > >
> > > This is a temporary position for 10 hours/week, paid at $30/hour USD,
> and
> > > is anticipated to last for up to 1 year. This position can only be
> based
> > > remotely from the following states: CA, OR, OH, NV, NC, WA, WI, CO, MA,
> > PA,
> > > NY, HI, or MT.
> > >
> > > PLEASE APPLY!
> > >
> >
> https://annualreviewsnews.org/2020/02/25/seeking-a-wikipedian-in-residence/
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jake Orlowitz
> > > *Founder of The Wikipedia Library*
> > > *Seeker of well people and sane societies*
> > >   kickstarter: bit.ly/CircleKickstarter
> > >   me: jakeorlowitz.com
> > >   mail: jorlow...@gmail.com
> > >   media: @jakeorlowitz 
> > >   book: welcometothecircle.net
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*Sharing knowledge brings people together*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
Lets move this along towards a solution;

Maybe the simplest solution is to create a delinker type bot that flags
images which were used on Wikidata but the data item has since been deleted
thus flagging the file for review on Commons.

This addresses the concerns over spam Wikidata id's being created to enable
an image to be uploaded.

WD and Commons community could both request that the person emailing OTRS
with permission identifies the WikiData item its intended for.  Every image
were permission is being received it should have an association with a
WikiData item as its necessary  to fill in the structured data field
anyway.



On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 21:41, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Thanks for this clarity Paulo.
> Is there a way to move more of the underlying policies onto a public wiki
> rather than a closed one, to limit some of this confusion?
>
> 
>
> On Wed., Feb. 26, 2020, 5:36 a.m. Paulo Santos Perneta, <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The OP is misleading. The issue is not with Commons at all, but with
> OTRS.
> > As far as I know, Commons never, ever, deleted a file which was in use in
> > any Wikimedia project, with the notable expectation of copyvios.
> Otherwise,
> > use in *any* wikimedia project = on scope for Commons.
> >
> > Apparently some OTRS volunteers follow some outdated procedures -
> including
> > that one related to selfies, which was mentioned - but that is a problem
> > exclusively with OTRS. I'm part of that team, and I always had the
> freedom
> > to decide which looked like a genuine selfie, and which was problematic
> at
> > that (e.g., with a copyright notice at the metadata). And, as far as I
> > know, anyone willing to help fixing those problems at OTRS is very much
> > welcome there. When the volunteers are very few, and the ones complaining
> > do not volunteer themselves, it only adds up to the pressure on the few
> > existing volunteers, making everything worse.
> >
> > Best,
> > Paulo
> >
> > Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia quarta,
> > 26/02/2020 à(s) 06:04:
> >
> > > This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons?
> > > This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it
> is
> > > jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related.
> > > For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do
> > not
> > > think this issue is necessarily related.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 6:10 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on
> > other
> > > projects
> > >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
> > > Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards.
> We
> > > are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The
> > best
> > > suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
> > > Commons.
> > >
> > > When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia,
> > it
> > > is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects.
> The
> > > projects who operate to different standards who have notability
> criteria
> > > different from English Wikipedia.
> > > Thanks,
> > >   GerardM
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