[Wikimedia-l] Re: Sanctions against the Russian Federation; support for Ukrainian Wikimedians

2022-03-01 Thread GorillaWarfare
+1 on the "what can we all do to help?" question. On the VPN topic, I
suspect the functionary teams will be pretty open to granting IPBE for
folks editing from that region.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IP_block_exemption#Used_for_anonymous_proxy_editing
has details if anyone needs it.

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Luis Bitencourt-Emilio Joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2022-01-30 Thread GorillaWarfare
Hi Luis,

I happened to notice you retweet a tweet today that said "A tech is
neutral. It can’t be good or bad per se."[1] I know this perspective
differs from my own, and I think a fair number of those in the
Wikimedia movement—would you be willing to expound on your thoughts there?

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[1] https://twitter.com/ni2las/status/1486350744487923717

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 11:37 AM Antoine Musso  wrote:

> On 14/01/2022 02:01, Luis Bitencourt-Emilio wrote:
> 
> > I was born and grew up in Brazil, under vastly different circumstances
> than today. There was a critical moment in my life when my father placed
> me, at 8 years old, in a BASIC programming course which I would practice on
> our x286 hidden away in a laundry room. My passion for technology started
> then, and has only grown since. I believe in technology as a key path to
> the furthering of humanity, of knowledge, of quality of life, and of our
> collective future. I also believe that this will only happen with the
> guidance and efforts of active and inclusive communities that shepherd said
> technology to positive outcomes.
> 
>
> Hello Luis,
>
> Welcome at the foundation, it is great to see someone joining the board
> having a large technical background.
>
> BASIC and x286 are definitely familiar among staff members around your
> age. If you ever join one of our tech meetings, I am sure you will feel
> at home :]
>
>
>
> 10 REM "-- "
> 20 PRINT "Antoine"
> 30 PRINT "hashar"
> 40 PRINT "Musso"
> 50 PRINT "Wikimedia > Release Engineering"
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Luis Bitencourt-Emilio Joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2022-01-13 Thread GorillaWarfare
Thank you for the further details, Dariusz. What is his experience with
free software or open knowledge communities such as ours?

I would also love to hear from him directly to know more about whether he
feels cryptocurrencies, NFTs, and such technologies have a place in the
Wikimedia mission. Do you know if he plans to join the conversation?

Sincerely,
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On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, 8:41 AM Dariusz Jemielniak 
wrote:

> Dear Dan,
>
> Thank you for the feedback!
>
> The search for a trustee with an expertise in product and technology began
> a few months ago. One of the problems we identified was that the Wikimedia
> Foundation CTOs (Chief Technology Officer) are usually not staying for a
> long period of time, and then there was also a CPO (Chief Product Officer)
> transition. It was also important that the new CEO (Chief Executive
> Officer) would like to have a trustee with relevant experience and
> leadership in the tech world (as would the Board itself), but also with the
> understanding and experience of how technology and communities can work
> together, so, as you said, Reddit experience is very relevant.
>
> The other critical factor was diversity – the search was prioritizing
> candidates with experience outside of Silicon Valley, in non-English
> speaking countries, preferably from the Global South.
>
> And, of course, we also needed a commitment to spend enough time on the
> Board work – to be engaged and present. For example, Luis met online and
> offline with Wikimedia volunteers from Spanish and Portuguese-speaking
> communities, he is eager to help us with his knowledge and experience.
> Cryptocurrency and blockchains were not a factor here – the Governance
> Committee, and then the Board, were considering other things Luis brings to
> the table, the needed expertise, diversity and commitment.
>
> I personally am not particularly fond of cryptocurrencies, even though I
> appreciate blockchain as a technology, and support e.g. decentralized
> science (https://decentralized.science/). We as a movement have not had a
> uniform stand on this, and I’m not sure if we should, though.
>
> Best regards,
> Dariusz (chair of the BGC)
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 1:40 PM Dan Garry (Deskana) 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the update, Nataliia. Knowledge and expertise in product and
>> technology is a skill set that has been lacking on the Board, and it's
>> great to see the Board addressing this by co-opting product and technology
>> leaders. Luis's experience, such as his time at reddit, will likely be very
>> applicable to our movement.
>>
>> However, I'm surprised that the Board chose to co-opt someone who seems
>> to have such a public focus on technology like blockchains and
>> cryptocurrency, and that this focus of his was omitted from this
>> announcement.
>>
>> It would be helpful if we could hear from Luis how he intends to use his
>> knowledge and expertise to contribute to the movement as a Board member,
>> and to what extent he considers blockchain and cryptocurrency to factor
>> into that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 at 17:20, Nataliia Tymkiv 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Please join me in welcoming Luis Bitencourt-Emilio to the Wikimedia
>>> Foundation Board of Trustees. Luis was unanimously appointed to a 3-year
>>> term and replaces a board-selected Trustee, Lisa Lewin, whose term ended in
>>> November 2021 [1].
>>>
>>> Currently based in São Paulo, Luis is the Chief Technology Officer at
>>> Loft, a technology startup in the real-estate industry. He brings product
>>> and technology experience from a globally diverse career that has spanned
>>> large technology companies including Microsoft, online networking sites
>>> like Reddit, and a series of entrepreneurial technology ventures focused in
>>> the USA and Latin America. Luis has led product and technology teams across
>>> Latin America, the United States, Europe and Asia. He is passionately
>>> involved in building and promoting the entrepreneurial ecosystem for Latin
>>> American-based startups.
>>>
>>> Luis has more than two decades of experience across product development,
>>> software engineering, and data science. At Microsoft, he led engineering
>>> teams shipping multiple Microsoft Office products. At Reddit, he led the
>>> Knowledge Group, an engineering team that owned critical functions such as
>>> data, machine learning, abuse detection and search. He was deeply involved
>>> in Reddit’s growth stage and worked closely with Reddit’s communities in
>>> that evolution. Luis also co-founded a fintech startup to help millennials
>>> manage and automate their finances.
>>>
>>> His career has also been shaped by a visible commitment to recruiting
>>> diverse leaders. At Reddit, Luis was a key member of the recruitment
>>> efforts that achieved equal representation of women engineering directors.
>>> Luis says his proudest 

[Wikimedia-l] RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations

2022-01-10 Thread GorillaWarfare
Hello all,

I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting
cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Stop_accepting_cryptocurrency_donations
.

Sincerely,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread GorillaWarfare
Well, no, this is the team that banned an en.wp admin for reasons they are
not able to disclose. It is only community speculation based on a portion
of an email sent to the banned user that has led people to draw the same
conclusion as you, and I suspect that is not the full story. That, however,
is probably a conversation for a different thread, although there are
overlapping themes in that someone who has allegedly done something(s)
negative towards at least one member of our community is being
wholeheartedly defended (and the alleged target vilified) by a community
that does not know the whole story.

- Molly White (GorillaWarfare)

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 7:12 PM Nathan  wrote:

> This is the
> same team that took the extraordinary and unique step of banning an en.wp
> admin for saying "fuck arbcom", apparently not anticipating or taking any
> steps to mitigate the inevitable blowback.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread GorillaWarfare
I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on
this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on
who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a multitude
of other reasons. I suspect no one truly knows the whole story (even the
folks who were directly involved—after all, you can never know the
intentions of another person, or how they are interpreting your own
actions). But what we do know is that some actions Romaine took led to
Trust & Safety deciding they needed to intervene. They are tasked with
keeping people within our movement safe, both online and in person at
events. In my experience they do an extremely good job.

It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone
who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to
intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was affected
by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when you
grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
feelings of others."

If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
this thread.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:26 PM Pierre-Selim 
wrote:

> Her POV ?
>
> Well I can confirm what Caroline said.
>
> What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?
>
> It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to
> wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported.
> Things that should have stayed private were told on this mailing list by
> Romaine... well when do we stop this ?
>
> Please keep in mind when you cast your support here that people who have
> reported Romaine might be reading this.
>
> Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 23:12, Gerard Meijssen 
> a
> écrit :
>
> > Caroline,
> > For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has quite
> > the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us
> all
> > he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do
> not
> > know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by many. It
> may
> > help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
> > feelings of others. Maybe it is too difficult for you, I do not know as I
> > do not know you at all.
> >
> > What I wonder is to what extend do you know Romaine, to what extend are
> you
> > stuck in your pov.
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 19:00, Caroline Becker 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn
> and
> > > grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing no
> > > willingness to grow and learn.
> > >
> > > But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your
> > right
> > > to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to you and none to the people
> > you
> > > hurt), you're rewarding with public support ?
> > >
> > > Caroline
> > >
> > >
> > > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 18:55, Dennis During  a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > > > I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this
> > unfortunate
> > > > outcome
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  Dear community,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no longer
> > > > attend
> > > > > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to silence
> me,
> > > > > intimidation and treats against me. This has resulted in that I
> feel
> > > > > extremely unsafe as the result of the behaviour of only a few
> > > > individuals.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread GorillaWarfare
Yaroslav,

I understand the difference. I'm simply raising an objection to the claim
that this would've gone over much better had it been the ArbCom and not the
WMF who placed a ban.

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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 5:01 PM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Just to summarize the difference between WMF and ArbCom, in view of the
> majority of the en.wiki community:
>
> We elect ArbCom, and if they do not do what they should be doing, they do
> not get re-elected in two years, which happens on a regular basis
>
> We do not elect WMF and in fact we have no means of influencing WMF (apart
> of the three Trustees we elect every three years who are themselves
> typically alienated from the community). Short of taking down the
> fundraiser banner or of organizing a Wikipedia blackout.
>
> This is the difference, and this is why virtually everybody who had to say
> smth about this episode was unhappy with the process. Without looking at
> the diffs, I only remember three users who were perfectly happy with what
> happened, out of hundreds who said smth.
>
> One unfortunate consequence of the whole episode was, whoever is right and
> whoever is wrong, the general opinion about WMF in the community is
> all-time low, with people generally not prepared to believe to anything
> communicated to them. If WMF is not interested in getting very unpleasant
> surprises, they should start working towards building the community trust.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 10:48 PM GorillaWarfare <
> gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:36 AM Fæ  wrote:
> >
> > > Any Arbcom approved sanction against Fram based on the evidence would
> not
> > > be controversial for anyone.
> >
> >
> > Sorry for coming in late to this conversation; I've mostly been following
> > the sicussion happening on-wiki. But I wanted to pipe up to say that I
> > absolutely do not believe this is true (see also my comment here
> > <
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard=revision=901559520=901559137=source
> > >).
> > To repeat my comment somewhat, the English Wikipedia ArbCom has in the
> past
> > had to place similar bans: that is, ones against long-term contributors
> > with many supporters, and ones in which the full details behind what led
> to
> > the ban cannot be revealed publicly. The reaction has been quite similar
> to
> > the one the WMF is currently experiencing—"star chamber" accusations,
> > claims that we've abused our power or the process, and assumptions that
> the
> > ban is unwarranted unless everyone is allowed to scrutinize the private
> > evidence. The ArbCom is empowered to take action based off of
> > privately-submitted evidence and private discussion, but in practice it
> is
> > extremely poorly-received when we do, basically across-the-board.
> >
> > – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread GorillaWarfare
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 8:36 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Any Arbcom approved sanction against Fram based on the evidence would not
> be controversial for anyone.


Sorry for coming in late to this conversation; I've mostly been following
the sicussion happening on-wiki. But I wanted to pipe up to say that I
absolutely do not believe this is true (see also my comment here
<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard=revision=901559520=901559137=source>).
To repeat my comment somewhat, the English Wikipedia ArbCom has in the past
had to place similar bans: that is, ones against long-term contributors
with many supporters, and ones in which the full details behind what led to
the ban cannot be revealed publicly. The reaction has been quite similar to
the one the WMF is currently experiencing—"star chamber" accusations,
claims that we've abused our power or the process, and assumptions that the
ban is unwarranted unless everyone is allowed to scrutinize the private
evidence. The ArbCom is empowered to take action based off of
privately-submitted evidence and private discussion, but in practice it is
extremely poorly-received when we do, basically across-the-board.

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[Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-11-30 Thread GorillaWarfare
Hey all,

I feel a little bad raising this because I know there was some community
vetting of fundraising initiatives that I ignored, but please forgive me. I
brought this up in the Wikimedia Weekly Facebook group asking where best to
raise the issue, and it was suggested I post here.

I was looking something up on my phone just now, apparently not logged in
to Wikipedia, and I discovered that mobile users in the US (and presumably
elsewhere) are being shown enormous ads. It took four full page scrolls for
me to reach the content of the article I was hoping to read. Even once I
made it past the ads at the top of the page, I was greeted with a pop-in
banner from the bottom of the page, as if I could possibly have not noticed
the four pages of text asking me to donate. (Screenshots attached).

I understand that we need donations to keep the site running and all, but
this seems excessive. I particularly worry for people who use assistive
technology who are having to listen to or try to skip through four pages'
worth of text-to-speech before they can get to what they want to know. The
WMF needs donations, but I think we need to weigh the need for cash against
the goal of providing free and accessible information to our readers. A
couple of page scrolls might not seem like much, but I assume if they're
off-putting to me (a reader with good vision and generally high tolerance
for WMF money pleas) they'll be off-putting to others.

So much of this text could be cut out. I work for a marketing/sales company
in a non-marketing role, and I've heard from colleagues that it's
frustrating when people writing copy like this hear from people who are not
educated about appealing to people, so I don't pretend to know better than
you at the WMF or your consultants about how to write good donation copy.
But to my (admittedly uneducated eye), copy like "It's a little awkward to
ask you, this Friday, as we're sure you are busy and we don't want to
interrupt you." and "We can't afford to feel embarrassed, asking you to
make a donation—just like you should never feel embarrassed when you have
to ask Wikipedia for information." seems like at best it's not adding
anything besides more words to have to scroll past, and at worst it's
pretty cringey to read. Are you really expecting people will read all four
pages?

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread GorillaWarfare
Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.

I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this
will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the
document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project
will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
mass-producing poor-quality content).

As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I
believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can be
described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor
wording.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
gmail.com> wrote:

> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
> email address.
>
> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
>
> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a
> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going
> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of
> stubs.
>
> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better
> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't
> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
>
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on
>> here
>> I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it
>> looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition
>> given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start
>> now in sandboxes, its being advertised on banners yet it has very obvious
>> under lying issues
>>
>>- unrealistic targets
>>- quantity not quality
>>- an expectation that competitors are required to do half of what is
>>expected from new editors , we should hold ourselves and expect of
>> higher
>>standards than that we expect from new comers
>>- no methodology for notability. blp, copyright issues arent weeded out
>>during the event or judging
>>- judging is done by a bot just doing a count
>>
>> To win this event all you need is a list, a script, and reliable internet
>> connection, despite having so many signed up well experience good editors
>> on the list.Sadly one person using a Wikidata script to
>> create
>> articles could be the winner,  just imagine the unimaginable
>> frankenstienian horror that would create 
>>
>> Any competition that relies on numbers alone is fraught with danger, the
>> big international events  all succeed not because of numbers but because
>> of
>> large teams(this run by one person alone) focused on quality with the
>> whole
>> processes divided into manageable opt-in regional sections.  All the
>> initiatives to focus on under represented topics need to be careful few
>> thousands of poor quality stubs about women is more harmful than having
>> nothing as people will perceive Wikipedia to be paying lip service to
>> women.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16 October 2017 at 07:18, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza <gti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
>> > keegan.w...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
>> > > > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's
>> nothing
>> > to
>> > > > write about here."
>> > > >
>> > > > That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the
>> subject
>> > is
>> > > > anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on
>> other
>> > > > subjects.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume
>> > other
>> > > parties to have; it's 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread GorillaWarfare
Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
email address.

"This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some stubs?
And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD everything
that comes out of this contest as it is?

I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a
higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going
to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of
stubs.

And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better
than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't
have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on here
> I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it
> looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition
> given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start
> now in sandboxes, its being advertised on banners yet it has very obvious
> under lying issues
>
>- unrealistic targets
>- quantity not quality
>- an expectation that competitors are required to do half of what is
>expected from new editors , we should hold ourselves and expect of
> higher
>standards than that we expect from new comers
>- no methodology for notability. blp, copyright issues arent weeded out
>during the event or judging
>- judging is done by a bot just doing a count
>
> To win this event all you need is a list, a script, and reliable internet
> connection, despite having so many signed up well experience good editors
> on the list.Sadly one person using a Wikidata script to create
> articles could be the winner,  just imagine the unimaginable
> frankenstienian horror that would create 
>
> Any competition that relies on numbers alone is fraught with danger, the
> big international events  all succeed not because of numbers but because of
> large teams(this run by one person alone) focused on quality with the whole
> processes divided into manageable opt-in regional sections.  All the
> initiatives to focus on under represented topics need to be careful few
> thousands of poor quality stubs about women is more harmful than having
> nothing as people will perceive Wikipedia to be paying lip service to
> women.
>
>
>
>
> On 16 October 2017 at 07:18, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza <gti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
> > keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
> > > > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing
> > to
> > > > write about here."
> > > >
> > > > That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject
> > is
> > > > anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on other
> > > > subjects.
> > >
> > >
> > > Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume
> > other
> > > parties to have; it's contrary to the Wikimedia movement's social best
> > > practices [1] and bound to take discussions in unproductive directions.
> > > When criticizing what someone said, stick to what they actually said.
> > > Especially so if your accusation of bad faith would be essentially
> > > content-free.
> >
> >
> > ​Todd, Gnangarra, Gergő,
> >
> > My intention, as I touched on earlier, was not to make a personal attack
> > but to address the tone in which I perceived the email to be written. I
> > don't believe Gnangarra is actually sexist. I certainly stand by my
> > position that the content of the initial post is unhelpful criticism and
> > mostly hyperbole, but I'm more than willing to apologize if my language
> > came across as a personal attack. I could have written it differently.
> So,
> > sorry about that.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~Keegan
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
> >
> > This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email
> address
> > is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread GorillaWarfare
Following up, this is the conversation I was remembering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment/Archive_11

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:59 AM, GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Pine,
>
> We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing
> based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on
> them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an
> incredible amount of work, and we open ourselves up personally to legal
> risk by doing so. I believe there was some discussion on this onwiki around
> six months ago, I will try to dig up a link.
>
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-27 Thread GorillaWarfare
Pine,

We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing
based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on
them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an
incredible amount of work, and we open ourselves up personally to legal
risk by doing so. I believe there was some discussion on this onwiki around
six months ago, I will try to dig up a link.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-26 Thread GorillaWarfare
The Arbitration Committee has just published a response to this statement:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jacob Rogers <jrog...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> As I mentioned in my email earlier this month, we've put together a longer
> statement regarding paid editing and how we see the balance of the
> communities' role and the role that WMF legal can play in these cases. We
> tried to address the concerns that people have raised to us, and explain
> when it's helpful to contact us to assist on a case. Of note, it does
> explain what actions we can take even in cases that don't involve the WMF
> trademarks.
>
> You can find it here: Wikimedia Foundation statement on paid editing and
> outing
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Foundation_statement_on_paid_editing_and_outing>
>
> Best,
> Jacob
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread GorillaWarfare
I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your
trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the
rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who will be instrumental in
shaping the changes that will happen to the WMF in the near future? How do
you plan to speak to staff members, who have seen many of their coworkers
leave or be forced out in the last few years? How do you plan to increase
morale among an incredibly demoralized group?

I too hope that your return will be marked by "careful listening and
thoughtful consideration" that Brion Vibber describes, not to mention
strong actions resulting from what you learn during your trip. But quite
frankly, Vibber's communications with the Wikimedia community outside of
the Foundation have far surpassed yours in clarity and transparency. I hope
that you will improve upon your messaging, but I would like clear
reassurance that you realize this is necessary.

There have been many things that have not impressed me recently: how the
Wikimedia Foundation chose to handle the lack of transparency surrounding
WMF actions (even once they were leaked), how the Board has handled the
past unrest surrounding the Executive Director and senior leadership,
communication surrounding James Heilman's removal... the list really goes
on and on.

I would love to know whether you supported Lila Tretikov's departure. It is
clear that she did not up and resign on her own, and I would like to know
if you were one of the folks who thought her departure would be beneficial,
or if you preferred she "weather the storm," so to speak.

I would also like to hear a clear statement about what you think can be
gained from your return to San Francisco.

Thank you,
Molly White
User:GorillaWarfare
English Wikipedia community member
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-24 Thread GorillaWarfare
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ​Different wikis have different policies on paid editing, most have no
> policy. There ​is no global policy.
> <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>

That's not exactly true. All Wikimedia projects are beholden to the Terms
of Use (https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use) which was
recently amended to add:

*Paid contributions without disclosure*
> These Terms of Use prohibit engaging in deceptive activities, including
> misrepresentation of affiliation, impersonation, and fraud. As part of
> these obligations, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation
> with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to
> receive, compensation. You must make that disclosure in at least one of the
> following ways:
> - a statement on your user page,
> - a statement on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or
> - a statement in the edit summary accompanying any paid contributions.
> Applicable law, or community and Foundation policies and guidelines, such
> as those addressing conflicts of interest, may further limit paid
> contributions or require more detailed disclosure.
> A Wikimedia Project community may adopt an alternative paid contribution
> disclosure policy. If a Project adopts an alternative disclosure policy,
> you may comply with that policy instead of the requirements in this section
> when contributing to that Project. An alternative paid contribution policy
> will only supersede these requirements if it is approved by the relevant
> Project community and listed in the alternative disclosure policy page.
> For more information, please read our FAQ on disclosure of paid
> contributions.


Many wikis do not have policies that supersede this requirement, and so are
subject to it. That said, the ToU does not specify precisely what happens
when someone is found to be in violation of this rule, which I know we
struggle with on the English Wikipedia.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-02-22 Thread GorillaWarfare
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:03 AM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please consider (for later) either linking or making a wiki version for
> Meta. Thanks for making this effort.
>

I intend to make a Mediawiki-friendly version once real life is out of the
way.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-02-22 Thread GorillaWarfare
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All the shit from mailinglists is missing. For the temperature aka the
> understanding of the developments it is certainly as potent as some of the
> departures.
>

Hi Gerard,

Quite a few of the entries refer to mailing list posts. I am aware that
responses to the "An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT" thread are
missing, and I plan to go through and add the particularly relevant ones
later (unfortunately real life—that is, homework—has gotten in the way).

If you think that there are other emails from the list that should be
included, please let me know (via email or PR) specifically which and why.
Although I do keep an eye on Wikimedia-l and other Wikimedia mailing lists,
I know I do not watch them as closely as you or some other members of the
list, so your help would be appreciated in identifying the particularly
important gaps.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-02-22 Thread GorillaWarfare
Thank you all so much for your feedback! I've just gone through all the
suggestions that you've sent via emails, messages, IRCs, and pull requests
and am really thrilled with all the help. I believe I'm caught up (for
now!) with reading through all that I've received, and I've incorporated
many of them!

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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[Wikimedia-l] Timeline of recent events at the Wikimedia Foundation

2016-02-22 Thread GorillaWarfare
Recent discussion of the Knowledge Engine/Wikimedia Discovery project,
issues with senior leadership, lack of transparency, and the like has been
fairly well spread across several Wikimedia projects and mailing lists, as
well as on Facebook, in the media, and in other venues.

I just published an attempt to aggregate some of the events that I think
are particularly informative given what's been going on:
http://mollywhite.net/wikimedia-timeline/

I hope it's helpful, and please feel free to suggest changes if it's
incomplete.

– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
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