Re: [Wikimedia-l] please NOT to Telegram as first or only communication channel (WAS: Wikimedia 2030: Mark your calendars! We are meeting on Nov. 21-22)

2020-10-23 Thread Ilario valdelli

On 23/10/2020 11:43, Željko Blaće wrote:

On 10/22/20, Kaarel Vaidla  wrote:

How to participate

...

* Join our Telegram group [2].

It would be amazing if we could embody the values of movement strategy
whenever we can. Using only Telegram group as recommendation is NOT*.

Thank you for that, anyways there is also to consider the freedom of 
choice that, beside everything, is a freedom.


Anyways some communities experimented the possibility to integrate open 
source chat (i.e, an IRC channel) and a Telegram channel to have 
messages on both sides.


In this case the freedom of choice is kept "free" and there is no 
obstacles to use one or another solution because at the end the goal is 
the participation.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Ilario valdelli

Do other kinds of harassment have a different procedure or are tollerated?

On 23/08/2020 22:43, Chris Sherlock wrote:

Hello all,

I have been advised by the WMF that if anyone is concerned about being sexually 
harassed they must report this to AN/I and there are no private mechanisms to 
report this sort of thing.

Is this for real?

Chris Sherlock

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: The recommendations are now online

2020-05-12 Thread Ilario valdelli

Thank you Nicole

for all that great job!

On 12/05/2020 12:29, Nicole Ebber wrote:

Thanks, Anders and Anton, for your uplifting feedback.

We'll update the overview section right away.

We have documented the changes in this change log, I hope this is helpful:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Reports/Finalization_Change_Log_(January_-_April_2020)

Best wishes,
Nicole




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: The recommendations are now online

2020-05-12 Thread Ilario valdelli

Thank you

it was a big challenge and sometimes a lot of complicated issues but 
thank you to have given this good direction.


Kind regards

On 12/05/2020 10:40, Katherine Maher wrote:

*=== Thank you ===*
I want to extend my deep gratitude to every single person who has helped
create these recommendations. True to the Wikimedia way, it is through the
contributions of many that we have reached this milestone.

Working group members dedicated more than a year to engaging with movement
stakeholders and developing the draft recommendations. On-wiki contributors
took part in community conversations to share their thoughts on the content
and help improve it. Affiliates and community organizers held dedicated
events to discuss strategy and provided valuable advice throughout the
process. Wikimedia Foundation staff and Board of Trustees supported and
guided the process from the beginning. The writing team and the reviewers
[9] worked tirelessly to revise and finalize the recommendations. Community
and affiliate strategy liaisons facilitated countless discussions. Thank
you all.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-04-11 Thread Ilario valdelli

More complicated.

The process has been managed as a "pure" marketing and communication 
process while it concerns more community management.


I don't see here (honestly) any community management.

Knd regards

On 11/04/2020 12:27, Gnangarra wrote:

Since the process has decided its not hearing that the community doesnt
want the change why continue to pretend the communities input or interest
in the project is even wanted.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 17:25, John Erling Blad  wrote:


This is a reply Shamir, but it is more a reply to the process and Wikimedia
Foundation.

Reading [1] my immediate thought is that whoever wrote it is more focused
on reputing the core finding than respecting the outcome. It is a reaction
to the statement “We do not know what the Wikimedia Foundation’s new name
would be, only that it would utilize Wikipedia not Wikimedia.” and 91% says
“no”. Still the process continues as nothing has happen. When 91% opposes a
change in volunteer organization you stop and listen, this is an
earthquake.

I opposed the name change, even if I don't really agree with the RFC, but
what happen later I find perhaps more troublesome. This shows a real lack
of understanding of why people objected to the idea. People have said no to
this several times now, and the process continues like nothing has happen.
Someone must clarify what this is, and who is behind it, and why, because
as it is now the chance of onboarding the communities are virtually zero.

As it is now I would say call it a failure, and make a full halt.

[1]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/RfC_Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia

John Erling Blad
/jeblad

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 10:49 AM Samir Elsharbaty <
selsharb...@wikimedia.org>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Memorandum of Understanding with NDLI, CIS and WMF

2020-03-14 Thread Ilario valdelli

Thank you for that,

I have checked some languages but it seems that this digital library 
have books of some languages completely taken from Project Gutenberg 
(http://www.gutenberg.org) or from World Ebook Library 
(http://www.worldebooklibrary.org/) and they have their own licenses.


It's not clear what is the library for whom the NDLI owns the copyrights 
and they can donate.


Kind regards

On 14/03/2020 09:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal wrote:

Through this understanding, we will work together on:

- integrating Wikisource and Wikidata contents on NDLI website.
<https://ndl.iitkgp.ac.in/>
- building up technical infrastructure on NDLI website to crowdsource
metadata curation on Wikidata and proofreading on Wikisource websites.
- importing relevant contents and data from NDLI website to Wikidata and
Wikisource.
- identifying and pursuing collaboration opportunities around other
Wikimedia projects, such as Wikibooks.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi all
I agree on that point.

I suggest to the community to organize themselves to give a feedback and to
contribute to have better and widely supported reccomandations but this
process must progress.

Everything can be improved and can be better but what is important is to
keep this goal of improvement.

Kind regards

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020, 14:51 Philip Kopetzky, 
wrote:

> I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt
> to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is
> contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the
> implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do
> you think it could get worse? ;-)
>
> On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are
> problematic
> > in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
> > neutral way.
> >
> > Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want
> to
> > tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
> > think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> > Anders Wennersten  schrieb am Di. 21. Jan.
> 2020
> > um 12:14:
> >
> > > Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even
> live
> > > on the same planet.
> > >
> > > A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
> > > result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
> > > I can see.
> > >
> > >   And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend
> the
> > > people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of
> work.
> > >
> > > As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
> > > colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
> > > communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And
> I
> > > meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
> > > meet volunteers and  functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
> > > appalling negative entries as i find to  be in direct opposition to our
> > > movement values.
> > >
> > > So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
> > > the recommendations
> > >
> > > Andersw
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> > > > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
> > > >
> > > > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like
> it.
> > > An
> > > > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> > > > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
> > are
> > > > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> > > > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> > > > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> > > > political games to get around it.
> > > >
> > > > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations
> and
> > > > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
> > > correctly
> > > > community-led process for voting on it.
> > > >
> > > > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
> > any
> > > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> > > shouting
> > > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> > > >
> > > > Fae
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello,
> > > >>
> > > >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is
> not
> > > going
> > > >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
> > > >>
> > > >> Kind regards
> > > >> Ziko
> > > >>
> > > >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> > > >> ymb...@gmail.com>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
> > > react
> > > >>> this time).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best
> > > >>> Yaroslav
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen 
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Katherine,
> > > 
> > >  These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> > > >> feedback
> > >  on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
> > expect
> > >  anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again
> be
> > >  talking to the wall?
> > > 
> > >  Todd
> > > 
> > >  On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher <
> kma...@wikimedia.org
> > >
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> > > >> movement
> > > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
> > On
> > >  

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey: Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020

2020-01-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
That can be an output of the conference. Is not it?

On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 13:57 Gerard Meijssen, 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> How do you define diversity?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2020 at 13:44, Jon Harald Søby  wrote:
>
> > Hi all, and apologies if you receive this email several times – I will be
> > posting it to multiple mailing lists.
> >
> > Wikimedia Norge would like to organize a regional Wikimedia Diversity
> > Conference in 2020 for Europe, with the hope of many other regional
> > conferences on the same topic being held in the near future. The
> Wikimedia
> > Diversity Conference 2020 will provide a meeting place for discussing,
> > debating and generating recipes for change concerning diversity in the
> > Wikimedia movement.
> >
> > We will be sharing more updates regarding a possible conference later in
> > 2020. For now, we are working on drafting a grant proposal to the
> Wikimedia
> > Foundation to support the conference. As part of the drafting the
> proposal,
> > a Community Engagement Survey is crucial to understand what community
> > members are expecting out of such conference. In that regard, Wikimedia
> > Norge invite all those who are interested in the topic of diversity to
> take
> > part in the survey.
> >
> > Please take the survey here
> > <
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> > >
> > or copy and paste the URL below into your internet browser:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdEaXc2AIaaFgKiQUWCDdnJKLd26KA8_DDQsyAqemXsH-wRyw/viewform
> >
> > *Participants*
> > For a Wikimedia Diversity Conference 2020 we would like to invite
> > participants who are decision-makers in the movement (volunteers, board
> or
> > staff members of a Wikimedia affiliate) or highly engaged in projects
> about
> > knowledge equity and diversity. The conference will be an opportunity for
> > the participants to discuss solutions for implementation of the 2030
> > movement strategy
> >  on
> > knowledge equity.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > *Jon Harald Søby*
> > Prosjektleder / Prosjektleiar / Prošeaktajođiheaddji / Project Manager
> > Wikimedia Norge / Wikimedia Noreg / Wikimedia Norga
> >
> > +47 977 67 510
> > jhs...@wikimedia.no
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2020 will be on August 5-9. Bangkok, Thailand.

2019-10-08 Thread Ilario valdelli

This question makes sense.

Probably people going in Japan and having a stop in Bangkok may generate 
as consequence a higher flight ticket's cost.


Kind regards

On 08/10/2019 19:53, Kiril Simeonovski wrote:

Dear Roman,

Thank you for announcing the dates of Wikimania 2020 and suggesting a trip
to other East Asian countries, including Japan for the Olympics, but was it
inevitable to schedule the event during the Olympics?

Best regards,
Kiril

On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 18:54 Roman Bustria Jr.  wrote:


Dear Wikimedians,

I am delighted to announce that Wikimania 2020 will happen from 5-9 August,
2020 in Bangkok, Thailand.

We will announce other details in the upcoming weeks.

For now, you may start planning your Asian tour iterinary. You may consider
doing a side trip in other ESEAP countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Japan
(Olympic Games), Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Timor Leste, Taiwan,
Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, China, Vietnam, and many others.




Kind regards,

Butch Bustria
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I don't know but if the option is to pay 500 long travels for scholarships
by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels for the staff of
WMF to attend several regional conferences,  the answer will be in favor of
the second option which is more sustainable and more efficient.

I have seen more interest for regional events where people can speak their
mother tongue and are lesser impactful for the environment than for big
events.

After i can say that in Wikimania we dont see really the Wikipedia
communities. We see the peak of the iceberg and this peak is not necessarly
representative.

Kind regards

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:57 Rebecca O'Neill,  wrote:

> Is it, perhaps, that the value a lot of people derive from these events is
> not just the conference itself, but the ability to meet fellow Wikimedians
> face-to-face and make meaningful contacts and even friendships that may
> never otherwise have come about? I'm all about virtual, but there is value
> in physical events, and I would say that we should make time and space for
> both.
>
> On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:54, Ilario Valdelli  wrote:
>
> > Yes
> >
> > We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional Wikicon
> we
> > receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.
> >
> > It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by train
> and
> > not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and when
> we
> > ask the reason the answer is the climate change.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:25 Gabriel Thullen,  wrote:
> >
> > > I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small
> > > presentation).
> > >
> > > I think that you need to clarify you statement:
> > > "In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because
> people
> > > would not do long trips."
> > >
> > > When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read:
> > > "Wikimedia CH offers scholarships for active Wikimedians. They cover
> > > transportation, hotel (max 3 nights) from the 16th to the 18th, and
> > > registration fees. To check your eligibility, you can consult
> conditions
> > of
> > > eligibility on this page
> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Policies/Scholarships>."
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Gabe
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Ilario Valdelli 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Anyways this is perceived by the community.
> > > >
> > > > In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because
> > people
> > > > would not do long trips.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO the problem is these big events.
> > > >
> > > > For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional
> > wikicon
> > > > than to Wikimania.
> > > >
> > > > This is the reason why you dont see more Swiss people at Wikimania.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 00:51 Samuel Klein,  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez <
> > > wikigamal...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not
> > using
> > > > > > community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a
> > > billionth
> > > > > > time.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I laughed out loud.
> > > > >
> > > > > AND.   I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some
> practical
> > > > > thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > a) Reach out to Stripe
> > > > > <https://stripe.com/gb/blog/negative-emissions-commitment>, which
> > has
> > > a
> > > > > through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and the
> > Long
> > > > Now,
> > > > > to coordinate efforts.
> > > > > b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is dominated
> > by
> > > > >   b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*]
> > > > >   b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation, and
> > > > > prioritize related policies [*fairly ad-hoc*]
> > > > > ___
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes

We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional Wikicon we
receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.

It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by train and
not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and when we
ask the reason the answer is the climate change.

Kind regards

On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:25 Gabriel Thullen,  wrote:

> I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small
> presentation).
>
> I think that you need to clarify you statement:
> "In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
> would not do long trips."
>
> When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read:
> "Wikimedia CH offers scholarships for active Wikimedians. They cover
> transportation, hotel (max 3 nights) from the 16th to the 18th, and
> registration fees. To check your eligibility, you can consult conditions of
> eligibility on this page
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Policies/Scholarships>."
>
> Best regards
> Gabe
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Ilario Valdelli 
> wrote:
>
> > Anyways this is perceived by the community.
> >
> > In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
> > would not do long trips.
> >
> > IMHO the problem is these big events.
> >
> > For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional wikicon
> > than to Wikimania.
> >
> > This is the reason why you dont see more Swiss people at Wikimania.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, 00:51 Samuel Klein,  wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez <
> wikigamal...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not using
> > > > community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a
> billionth
> > > > time.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I laughed out loud.
> > >
> > > AND.   I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some practical
> > > thoughts.
> > >
> > > a) Reach out to Stripe
> > > <https://stripe.com/gb/blog/negative-emissions-commitment>, which has
> a
> > > through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and the Long
> > Now,
> > > to coordinate efforts.
> > > b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is dominated by
> > >   b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*]
> > >   b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation, and
> > > prioritize related policies [*fairly ad-hoc*]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Anyways this is perceived by the community.

In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania because people
would not do long trips.

IMHO the problem is these big events.

For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for regional wikicon
than to Wikimania.

This is the reason why you dont see more Swiss people at Wikimania.

Kind regards

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> On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez 
> wrote:
>
> > I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not using
> > community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a billionth
> > time.
> >
>
> I laughed out loud.
>
> AND.   I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some practical
> thoughts.
>
> a) Reach out to Stripe
> , which has a
> through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and the Long Now,
> to coordinate efforts.
> b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is dominated by
>   b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*]
>   b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation, and
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli

Hi Dariusz

in recent years WMF has emphasized the concepts of diversity and equity 
that are excellent and desirable but should not forget that Wikipedia 
today is what it is thanks to a community that for over 18 years has 
supported these projects and that cannot be forgotten from today to 
tomorrow.


Many recommendations forget this point and forget that Wikimedia 
projects stand on their feet thanks to this experienced group.


Participating in wikimedia projects is done on a voluntary basis, there 
are many excellent projects to work with that are out of the wikiverse.


Giving to these volunteers the feeling of not being accepted because 
they are male, western, middle-aged and with a good economic position 
will only speed up this process.


Kind regards

On 24/08/2019 23:40, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:

Well, "the intention of building an encyclopedia based on a neutral point of view 
achieved by verifiable information attributed to reliable independent sources and 
disseminated under a free licence" is close to many of us (me including). I think it 
is quite unlikely that recommendations challenging every single part of that intent, in 
the understanding of the majority of our community, will go through.

It is my honest belief that the WMF Board of Trustees does not intend to 
radically reduce the number of volunteers involved.

In any case, I suggest we wait and see how the recommendations shape up anyhow.

best,

dj

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 5:22 PM Jeff Hawke 
mailto:geoffey.ha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dariusz

It seems very likely that the majority of the 60,000 contributors you mention 
are there with the intention of building an encyclopaedia based on a neutral 
point of view achieved by verifiable information attributed to reliable 
independent sources and disseminated under a free licence.  Since there are 
recommendations that would challenge every single part of that intent, it seems 
reasonable to assume that some non-trivial proportion of the volunteer 
workforce will not wish to continue to participate in a project that has so 
dramatically changed its entire raison d'etre.

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   *   Dariusz Jemielniak (2016)  Breaking the Glass Ceiling on 
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Review 113:  1.  103-108.
   *   Tadeusz Chełkowski, Peter Gloor, Dariusz Jemielniak (2016)  Inequalities in 
Open Source Software Development: Analysis of Contributor’s Commits in Apache 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli

You are right and this is what it should be.

Anyways we must consider that the selection of the working groups 
followed more the parameters to select the "representatives" of 
Wikimedia than the "representatives" of Wikipedia's communities.


Basically the experience in Wikimedia projects has been quite neglected.

I have a personal feeling that the diversity has been stressed a lot but 
neglecting some parameters which are valued by the community and for 
this reason the community doesn't feel represented by these members of 
the working groups.


The comunity is perceiving these recommendations more likely a vision 
lowered from above.


On 24/08/2019 11:44, Aron Manning wrote:

On Sat, 24 Aug 2019 at 11:18, Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:


It's obvious that you, for one, stand with the community.


Benjamin, this is not a clash between two opposing forces, albeit some
combative elements try to "divide and conquer", and turn the community into
two opposing camps.
The recommendations are about the path we choose for the future, and the
conversations are your chance to contribute to that vision.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Ilario valdelli

Hi Bence,

I think that this recommendation is ambigous. There is a specific sentence:

"We need to pay or otherwise compensate people to participate"

which can be opened to any interpretation.

I think that this recommendation is quite complicated to be accepted by 
the community because it associates the diversity to the privileges and 
would justify the paid activities on this basis. Wikimedia projects and 
Wikimedia structure has been based always on volunteering time, as soon 
it will be open to paid activities, the sense of participation will be 
distorted.


Basically, if we would explain to the man of street, why the community 
should continue to contribute on volunteering basis if some activities 
are paid? The reason that there are unprivileged members is weak in my 
opinion.


This is a distortion itself.

On 25/08/2019 12:09, Bence Damokos wrote:

The recommendation you link to was about ensuring diversity on decision
making committees, and has this part “We are currently not sure about ‘paid
editing’, and leaning towards not supporting that. ”.

I think it would help the discussion if we did not distort the content of
the recommendations, especially as there may be people who read and engage
with this list who have not had time to study the recommendations (or
indeed the Fram saga cited a number of times earlier).


Best regards,
Bence

Todd Allen  (időpont: 2019. aug. 25., V, 11:44) ezt
írta:


Well then, why aren't you listening?

We've been begging WMF for years to come up with a solution for paid
editing. If you actually put something in the ToU against it, we can get
paid edit requests removed  from sites like Upwork, since they will not
allow requests that violate another site's terms of service. But we've been
completely unable to get WMF to do something unequivocal like that, so we
get left to deal with the spam and crapvertising. Wikipedia admins get to
deal with the fallout.

In the meantime, we get a WMF "working group" wanting to not only allow
paid editing, but have WMF do the paying. That is the direct, exact
opposite of what we've been asking for! No paid editing, and certainly no
paid editing from WMF!


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation/Recommendations/C

Why on Earth are we getting this garbage from WMF "working groups"? Do they
know nothing at all about how the projects work, or do they not care and
are trying to override them?

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dariusz Jemielniak 
wrote:



On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:00 PM Todd Allen  wrote:


Then, why'd we hear something so dismissive as this?


My intent was not dismissive, but factual (I basically made a point that

a

majority of our communities is not interested in administration,
organization, structures, etc., so as to address an estimation error in

the

discussion).

5-10 thousand people are still a large and definitely worth listening to
group.

best,

dj


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-18 Thread Ilario valdelli

Hi Nicole,

I suggest also to harmonize a little bit the reccomandations of the 
working groups too.


I had a quick reading and I found several conflictual points among the 
different working groups.


An example is the technology working group where the first 
reccomandation is about a decentralization and I suppose about a 
"strong" decentralization where everyone can contribute to the vision, 
while the Resource Allocation reports the concept of hubs in several 
points of their reccomandations.


In this case to decentralize from one point to another point a 
competence doesn't mean "decentralization" but it's "delocalization". 
Basically it remains a central point of competence delocated 
geographically but basically a central point (so the opposite of 
decentralization).


This is an example but there are several ones and the time is short to 
comment.


Kind regards


On 09/08/2019 20:36, Nicole Ebber wrote:


Over the next month, working groups will take the input they receive
into the recommendations, alongside external advice and research, and
use it to refine and finalize them. Share your views, and help shape
what Wikimedia will look like in 2030 and beyond.

If you have any questions or feedback, please feel free to get in touch.

Best wishes,

Nicole

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
[2] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
[3] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Wikimedia_2030
[4] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Strategy_Salons
[5] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
 here.
>
>
>
> In the world, people have been discriminated for their religion, political
> beliefs, the colour of their skin, because of their gender, because of a
> different gender identity, how they look like, ..., or just because they
> are considered to be "weird" when people do not understand the other. I
> would prefer that we do not copy that and instead organise a civilised
> complaint handling that works independently.
>
>
>
> Many of you gave me a welcome feeling, independent from who/how I am. Thank
> you!
>
> As I likely will not meet you again, the one thing that rests me to say is:
> thank you for collaborating, talking and sharing your thoughts, I wish you
> all the best!
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Ilario valdelli

Hi Leila,

I have put my own but the problem we have in Switzerland is connected to 
the multi-lingualism.


Italian, for instance, which is one big language in WIkipedia, is at the 
opposite a minority in Switzerland.


Any study is interesting, but if it could be country-based, it would be 
better.


Kind regards


On 06/03/2019 22:12, Leila Zia wrote:

Hi all,

As I mentioned in an earlier thread [1], we will be running reader
surveys across a number of Wikipedia languages to learn about the
reader needs and motivations in these languages as well as some of
their demographic information (and perhaps the correlations between
demographics and user motivations and characteristics).

If your language community is interested to have statistics on the
distribution of reader gender, age, education, native language, and
geographic region (rural/urban) in your language (and depending on how
much data we collect in your language, perhaps more insights), this is
your chance to indicate interest at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Characterizing_Wikipedia_Reader_Behaviour/Demographics_and_Wikipedia_use_cases#Interested_languages

I initially communicated 2019-02-15 as the deadline to sign up. Since
then, we have run a pilot test on enwiki and we are investigating some
of the results to see if any changes in the survey questions are
needed. You have now time until 2019-03-15 to indicate interest.

As always: this call is primarily a service to your language
community. If you like it, take action on it. If you don't, no action
is needed. :)

Best,
Leila

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
History does not require a judge. It's the storiography to be judge.

Here the problem is to give relevance to some sources and to neglect
(completely) others.

If a single not neutral source is considered as the Holy Bible, the same
pillars of Wikipedia are infringed.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 14:06 Dennis During  Who is the judge? Are we going to join Facebook, Google, Twitter, et al as
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I think that this case is so complicated that the admin or the steward
sometimes are not prepared to face a big problem like this.

They evaluate two opinions without having a background to define what is
true and what is not. In this case the evaluation can be not neutral.

Anyways the bias us present in all several Wikipedias and not only in
Croatian mainly if it concerns the history of the area around Croatia.

It's a pity that still now, after long time, someone us reporting the same
problem. I would know personally what is the problem.

Kind regards

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018, 12:38 stjn  This mailing list is usually positive, but we need to talk about
> something rotten. I was linked to this Meta RfC by my Russian colleague:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Administrator_abuse_on_the_Croatian_Wikipedia
>
> The author and commentators, with notable evidence, allege that admins
> and editors on Croatian Wikipedia are biased in favour of far-right
> denialist talking points, especially in regards to World War II, and use
> their rights to continue this type of deal. From my further readings,
> the problems in Croatian Wikipedia exist for a long time with the same
> participating actors. This RfC exists for 2 years already without any
> signs of notice from the WMF or Meta stewards, all while nothing is
> changing and the local press is continuing to report about this (maybe
> authors should get American coverage to get any support, though). What
> exactly is the course of action on this and what has already been done
> in regards to this by Meta stewards or WMF?
>
> Editors have tried to sound their alarms via different means:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=857974834#2013_controversy_about_right-wing_bias
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_231#On_the_state_of_Croatian_Wikipedia
>
> Support of extremist viewpoints should be the most pressing issue for
> Wikimedians, as we must recognise that our articles have consequences,
> and unabashed defence of Nazis in Wikipedia in one of the official
> languages of the EU is a big deal. I personally had to organise with
> others before to remove genuine jihadist view points from being reported
> as facts in one of Wikipedias (successfully), in the last year I also
> had to report to one steward that admin in one Wikipedia was deleting
> all (seemingly not bad) content in regards to LGBT without any
> explanation (unsuccessfully).
>
> Every time significant institutional bias towards non-neutral and
> harmful view points goes unnoticed, we poison our readers, especially
> students, and discourage other people from constructive contribution in
> our projects. Perhaps, on the larger point, it is good to talk about
> some kind of committee akin to CoCC that would safely enforce the
> founding principles of our projects, if these issues go unnoticed so much.
>
> I hope that something will be done with this eventually.
>
> Oleg
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-11 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The best mistake you do is to consider the wikimedia chapter as a
representative of the Wikipedia community while this statement is basically
wrong.

When you say that Vasconcelos had no Wikipedia editing experience and
continue to support your position using this motivation, you probably have
no clear meaning of what is a chapter.

I have no position about the wikimedia Portugal conflict but i would stress
this point.

I Think that there is a clear and well known position inside the wikimedia
movement that any chapter is not responsible of the content of Wikimedia
projects.

A board should have an heterogeneous composition. If a wikipedia editing
Experience is welcome, that's is not sufficient. Having someone with
conflict management Experience in the board would be important and In some
cases more important than Wikipedia' s editing In this case I dont
understand why you did not invite to Vasconcelos to stay.

Kind regards

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, 14:48 Alchimista,  wrote:

> As a wikimedia Portugal board member I totally agree with Gonçalo's
> statement. Despite what I believe where AffCom best efforts, they clearly
> didn't knew how to properly deal with this situation. They took official
> positions without hearing us, they've imposed a roadmap that we had to
> accomplish in order to lift the suspension, and now that we've accomplished
> it, some unexplained accusations came out of the blue. I feel that AffCom
> put us chasing ghosts during the last months and that all we've done so far
> was in vain, and more importantly, is making us reach the limit of our
> capacities. This last message is a clear example of what shouldn’t be done:
> we’ve been working with special motivation knowing that we were doing all
> what was requested in order to get our suspension lifted, and then AffCom
> sends us that opaque accusation, without any previous attempt to get any
> confirmation or information.
>
> Wikimedia Portugal is currently in a sustainable path, despite all the
> entropy, we’ve been able to fulfill all legal obligations, AffCom roadmap,
> improve our governance and transparency and organize activities. We intend
> to keep this path, continuously improving our capacities, but AffCom is
> clearly making it more difficult.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> GoEthe.wiki  escreveu no dia terça, 9/10/2018 à(s)
> 11:12:
>
> > The original message was rejected due to a filter rule match, but you can
> > access it here:
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediapt/2018-October/002698.html
> > I am sending it below without the links. Please access the link above for
> > the full version.
> > __
> >
> > Sorry in advance for the lengthy email – the tl;dr version is: Wikimedia
> > Portugal has done all it was asked to do, so the suspension that was held
> > conditional to performing those steps must be lifted accordingly. For the
> > sake of transparency, we are sending this out to not only the AffCom
> > mailing list, but also Wikimedia-l and WikimediaPT-l.
> > _
> >
> > Dear members of AffCom,
> >
> > (cc to the Wikimedia Portugal mailing list, Wikimedia mailing list)
> >
> > Last 5th October we were again surprised by the content of your email
> > (quoted below) in response to us completing the roadmap we had agreed
> upon
> > in order to remove the suspension of Wikimedia Portugal. On that message,
> > you say you have once more received information whose substantiation is
> not
> > mentioned, from sources that are not disclosed. And still you seem to
> > accept it as the truth without even providing us with the opportunity to
> > get properly acquainted with it, let alone rebate or contradict it. While
> > you speak of transparency, that message is unsettlingly opaque, as have
> > been multiple such messages relayed to us in the course of this whole
> > process.
> >
> > As you are well aware, Wikimedia Portugal was faced in March with a
> > situation where the president of the Board, João Vasconcelos, became
> > demissionary without any previous warning [1]. It should be noted that
> when
> > Vasconcelos was elected as president of the Board back in 2015, he wasn’t
> > elected based on any background as a Wikimedia editor, as he has no
> history
> > of contribution to any of the Wikimedia projects, but rather on his self
> > proclaimed merits on organisational and conflict management (!). Despite
> > the best efforts of several people from Wikimedia Portugal over the
> years,
> > Vasconcelos sadly never really integrated well neither on Wikimedia
> > Portugal, nor in the Portuguese Wikimedia community.
> >
> > So, in light of what looked like an existential threat for WMPT, I and a
> > number of other WMPT members have publicly and transparently mobilized
> > ourselves to organize an extraordinary General Election to elect the new
> > Board. Vasconcelos was probably expecting/hoping that we would ask him to
> > stay. But we have seen this sort of behavior elsewhere [a].We didn't.
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1718 Fundraising Report now published

2018-10-01 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes but India has probably 2 times the population of the whole Europe...
and cannot be defined like a "poor" country. I Think that the same is valid
also for East Asia.

No it's not simple to compare but the amount donated in Asia is really
small.

Kind regards


On Mon, 1 Oct 2018, 15:21 Joseph Seddon,  wrote:

> Correction:  Our readership in Macao, QATAR and Singapore; is a fraction of
> that of the United States. (specifically 1.4% of the USA: Percentage
> remails effectively unchanged).
>
> Seddon
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 2:17 PM Joseph Seddon 
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Illario.
> >
> > It is not as simple to simply that the contribution from Asia should be
> 10
> > times bigger.  It is not just about GDP.
> >
> > Our readership from the three countries in the top 10: Macao, Oman and
> > Singapore; is a fraction of that of the United States. (specifically 1.4%
> > of the USA).
> >
> > Do not get me wrong. Fundraising sees area for potential long term growth
> > in both Asia and South America but we must be realistic for what that
> > growth is.
> >
> > That's why I gave a long list of the factors that affect the potential
> for
> > fundraising in Asia, Africa and South America.  Its a complex equation
> >
> > Regards
> > Seddon
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:58 AM Ilario valdelli 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I agree in that point.
> >>
> >> Please be back to this millenium.
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
> >> (updated to 2017).
> >>
> >> Three Asian countries are listed in the top 10.
> >>
> >> And the estimation is to have sooner a fourth:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(PPP)#IMF_estimates_between_2020_and_2023
> >>
> >> We can say that we have to look at the distribution of GDP, but also in
> >> this case three countries of the top 10 are Asian:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
> >>
> >> Honestly there should be from Asia a contribution 10 times bigger in the
> >> fundraising.
> >>
> >> I think that it's time to say that Asia is a continent that can give
> more.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/10/2018 12:28, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:
> >> > I suppose Asia can do a lot better than 3 million, but I don't augur
> >> much
> >> > success with increasing those campaigns for Africa and South America,
> at
> >> > least using the current model.
> >> >
> >> > Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising
> campaign,
> >> in
> >> > August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got
> >> > enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust
> for a
> >> > campaign asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying 10$
> >> was
> >> > the cost of a coffee there). Others "donated" money or attempted to
> >> donate
> >> > it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being allowed to read Wikipédia
> >> > (kind of a subscription).
> >> >
> >> > Paulo
> >> >
> >> > Pine W  escreveu no dia domingo, 30/09/2018 à(s)
> >> 20:30:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Thea,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for sharing this report.
> >> >>
> >> >> I very much like the visual design, which I think is simple, clear,
> and
> >> >> concise. Who did the design?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regarding the sentences, "We imagine a world in which every single
> >> human
> >> >> being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Each year, with
> >> your
> >> >> support, we edge closer toward that vision.": I suggest removing the
> >> second
> >> >> sentence because the horizons of human knowledge continue to expand
> at
> >> a
> >> >> significant rate, and I doubt that we have evidence that we're
> keeping
> >> up
> >> >> in every human language with the pace that human knowledge advances,
> >> let
> >> >> alone moving fast enough to catch up.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm a bit surprised by the relatively low revenue from regions other
> >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1718 Fundraising Report now published

2018-10-01 Thread Ilario valdelli

I agree in that point.

Please be back to this millenium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) 
(updated to 2017).


Three Asian countries are listed in the top 10.

And the estimation is to have sooner a fourth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(PPP)#IMF_estimates_between_2020_and_2023

We can say that we have to look at the distribution of GDP, but also in 
this case three countries of the top 10 are Asian:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Honestly there should be from Asia a contribution 10 times bigger in the 
fundraising.


I think that it's time to say that Asia is a continent that can give more.

Kind regards


On 01/10/2018 12:28, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote:

I suppose Asia can do a lot better than 3 million, but I don't augur much
success with increasing those campaigns for Africa and South America, at
least using the current model.

Looking by the sample I know in Brazil (last year fundraising campaign, in
August I believe) the Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia readers often got
enraged to the point of vandalizing articles stating their disgust for a
campaign asking money to an impoverished country (even more saying 10$ was
the cost of a coffee there). Others "donated" money or attempted to donate
it thinking it was a kind of a fee for being allowed to read Wikipédia
(kind of a subscription).

Paulo

Pine W  escreveu no dia domingo, 30/09/2018 à(s) 20:30:


Hi Thea,

Thank you for sharing this report.

I very much like the visual design, which I think is simple, clear, and
concise. Who did the design?

Regarding the sentences, "We imagine a world in which every single human
being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Each year, with your
support, we edge closer toward that vision.": I suggest removing the second
sentence because the horizons of human knowledge continue to expand at a
significant rate, and I doubt that we have evidence that we're keeping up
in every human language with the pace that human knowledge advances, let
alone moving fast enough to catch up.

I'm a bit surprised by the relatively low revenue from regions other than
North America and Europe. Those look like areas where Fundraising could be
more successful in the future. Does Fundraising have plans to work on
improving revenue from those regions?

Congratulations on the success with asking donors to cover transaction
fees.

Thanks again for sharing this report.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 PM Thea Skaff  wrote:


Hi everyone,

I am writing to share with you our fundraising report for fiscal year

2018

. This

report

is a collaborative effort on behalf of many teams: fundraising tech, ops
and donor services, major gifts, online fundraising, legal,

communications,

and more.

The fundraising report offers us an opportunity to pause and reflect on
learnings from last year and also consider where we're headed,

particularly

as we approach one of our busiest times of the year for fundraising. It's
also an inspiring reminder of how many people across the world support

the

work of the community and WMF staff.

We welcome your questions and feedback.

Thank you,
Thea



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-26 Thread Ilario valdelli

This is true,

but it's true also that the discussion is now restricted to few members 
and groups.


I can personally say that the communities (and when I speak about 
communities I speak about people not being able to speak english or not 
following the international mailing list) are ignoring partially what is 
happening, after the initial involvement in the colletion of the inputs.


Surely the Wikipedia's communities are not obliged to adopt what is 
discussed in this strategy mainly because "Wikipedia has /no central 
editorial board/"[1] and secondly because Wikipedia has not firm rules 
(5th pillar)[2] but a larger involvement of different members from the 
communities would have helped more, at least to address to the biggest 
communities some inputs coming from the strategy which is under discussion.


I agree with Karel that "/With regards to Diversity, the parameters for 
the diversity considerations//are outlined here, and do include voices 
that are not yet included in//strategic discussions/" and I like this 
sentence, but unfortunately I see the same faces in any step of this 
strategy and if the diversity is something important because the 
diversity assures also a rich and etherogeneous difference of opinions, 
I think that this is not happening and don't see a "diversity of 
opinion" represented here.


An example is the steering committee that, in my opinion should have 
been excluded from the working groups to bring "new blood in this 
process" and not to limit the discussion always to the same people and 
to the same actors.


What Micru reports is an important point and I personally have his same 
feeling not as wikimedian, but as wikipedian and as volunteer.


Kind regards

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars


On 25/07/2018 11:32, Frans Grijzenhout wrote:

Hi All, I cannot support the idea that the movement strategy is designed
for functionaries only. We encouraged editors and volunteers to meet and
discuss the strategy locally and also gave them (financial) support so that
they were able to attend the international conferences and take their part
in the discussions.
Frans (chair WMNL)



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Kirill
It makes sense to explain a little bit about the conflict management and
the position of both sides to define why both groups have been
derecognized.

At the opposite this decision will give the feeling that, to attack a local
Group, it will be sufficient to create another local Group and to be
recognized and to open a conflict and to drive all parties to unresolute it
to reach the primary and original goal.

Kind regards

On Sun, 8 Apr 2018, 20:20 Kirill Lokshin,  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic
> organization, or user group — is a privilege that allows an independent
> group to officially use the Wikimedia trademarks to further the Wikimedia
> mission. To receive and maintain their status as recognized Wikimedia
> affiliates, groups are required to comply with certain requirements, which
> are identified in each group's individual chapter, thematic organization,
> or user group agreement.  In particular, the terms of the Wikimedia User
> Group Agreement and Code of Conduct prohibit user groups from engaging in
> activity that poses significant risk to other Wikimedia organizations or
> Wikimedia projects.
>
> As many of you doubtlessly know, the two Wikimedia user groups based in
> Brazil — Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and Wiki Education Brazil —
> have been engaged in a severe and protracted conflict, which has resulted
> in significant harm to past, ongoing, and planned Wikimedia movement
> activities in Brazil.  As all reasonable attempts to resolve the conflict
> have failed, the Affiliations Committee is left with no choice but to
> withdraw the groups' recognition as Wikimedia affiliates.
>
> Consequently, the recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil and
> Wiki Education Brazil as Wikimedia user groups has been revoked, and the
> Wikimedia Foundation's legal department has been requested to formally
> terminate their respective user group agreements as soon as practicable.
> Further, the specific individuals who served as the primary contacts for
> these user groups will be prohibited from serving as primary contacts for
> any user group application or existing user group for a period of one year.
>
> The Affiliations Committee recognizes that this is an unprecedented and
> unfortunate development. However, we hope that this step will allow the
> Wikimedia community in Brazil to work towards a new organizational
> structure and model that will better serve the needs of movement
> participants and stakeholders in the country.
>
> Any questions regarding this matter should be addressed directly to the
> Affiliations Committee.
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors to facts, this is the 
most appropriate solution.


It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be 
interesting to know if limited only to the financial aspects) and 
another by the FDC.


The General Assembly can have the power to claim for an audit too, 
defining the auditing entity.


Kind regards

On 04/08/2017 11:27, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote:

Assuming of course that a chapter actually follows its bylaws


From: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of Ilario 
Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:34:34 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List; James Salsman
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to
revoke the chapters agreement.

There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a
control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly.

You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws.

On 04/08/2017 10:02, James Salsman wrote:

Rogol,

What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation
be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards
of a Chapter?

Is there some French law that requires charities to be more
independent of their international affiliates than would be under such
a requirement?

The chapter agreements already contemplate this sort of control,
because they state, "The Chapter agrees ... to refrain from ...
engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three
months notice.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:

If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter at
the proposed level of micro-management then it would jeopardise the legal
status both of the Foundation (in terms of their safe harbour status) and
of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body).  The Foundation is
free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise.  But not to control.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to 
revoke the chapters agreement.


There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a 
control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly.


You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws.

On 04/08/2017 10:02, James Salsman wrote:

Rogol,

What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation
be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards
of a Chapter?

Is there some French law that requires charities to be more
independent of their international affiliates than would be under such
a requirement?

The chapter agreements already contemplate this sort of control,
because they state, "The Chapter agrees ... to refrain from ...
engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three
months notice.


On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:

If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter at
the proposed level of micro-management then it would jeopardise the legal
status both of the Foundation (in terms of their safe harbour status) and
of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body).  The Foundation is
free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise.  But not to control.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli

The comment is a little bit partial.

The governance is partially connected with the local system law. In some 
countries no profit association are linked to strict parameters and the 
governance is not an option. I don't know personally the system law of 
France, but I suppose that it's weaker than in other countries.


The last point is connected with the point of privileges which are, at 
the opposite, balanced by stricter parameters than user groups.


Chapters have some obligations compensated by few privileges, and 
honestly the state of User Group is at the moment the easiest way to get 
an official recognition by WMF.


It's sufficient to check how many user groups have been created recently 
and how many chapters to define clearly if there is a "marginalization 
of alternatives".


Kind regards

On 04/08/2017 09:55, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote:

The current situation (further) demonstrates a huge weakness in the current 
system of the governance of local communities. The problems being discussed 
here are far from unique to Wikimedia France and can be seen not only in other 
affiliates, but also in the long-festering problems of the administration of 
Wikimedia projects. As Rogol and others note... the Foundation has it hands 
tied to a large degree because of both legal and ideological concerns. But this 
means that individuals and small groups of people are able to work the system 
to their advantage, with little to no accountability to either their local 
communities or to the overall movement.


As for the idea of forming alternate organizations, that is easier said than 
done. I speak from my experience with Wiki Learning Tec de Monterrey. It took 
us almost 2 years to get approval from AffCom as a user group among other 
struggles. The privileges that chapters have in particular allow for 
marginalization of alternatives.



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of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body).  The Foundation is
free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise.  But not to control.



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-19 Thread Ilario Valdelli
This is the correct approach.

There are technical issues and there are social issues.

It’s time to don’t mix them.

Tor can be one solution, not exactly the best and there is no sense to mix the 
discussion. 

Kind regards

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tim Starling
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On 13/06/17 20:28, Gergő Tisza wrote:
> Now that we have ascertained (again) that wikimedia-l is a ​poor channel
> for focused discussions about tech proposals, can we move this to
> Phabricator?

I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168218

On 14/06/17 12:12, Risker wrote:
> I see your point, Gergo, but in reality Phabricator is an even worse
> channel to discuss projects that are, essentially, social issues. 

I'd rather you didn't discuss social issues on Phabricator. I filed
the task for the technical part of the project.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] May 5: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#15)

2017-05-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
In these cases the big advantage is the capacity to be cloned. A
governement can block an ip or a domain but it would be hard to block
internet.

The good approach is to invite the web to host kiwix and zim files for
downloading. That would be easier than cloning Wikipedia content.

However that approach will save readers but not writers.

Kind regards

Il 07 Mag 2017 23:36, "Gabriel Thullen"  ha scritto:

> I agree with James that we need to encourage initiatives like Kiwix
> Wikipedia Zero. We need to be able to distribute Kiwix in countries that
> have blocked Wikipedia, because it is no big deal for a government to block
> the Kiwix.org site as well, and phone operators providing Wikipedia Zero
> will have to obey government injunctions. Chances are that a block on
> kiwix.org will hardly be noticed by our community. Looks like the good old
> sneakernet with USB flash drives is still a viable option...
>
> Gabe
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak 
> wrote:
>
> > Yup. It would be interesting to ponder if wiki app could channel through
> > Tor by default - in the spirit of The Guardian project. Informing users
> > about Tor benefits has obvious disavantages related to the fact that most
> > people will not be able to grasp it.
> >
> > Dariusz Jemielniak
> >
> > On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 9:26 PM, James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > The issues occurring in Turkey highlight that we may also need to keep
> in
> > > mind:
> > >
> > > * Access
> > >
> > > over the next 15 years. Where access is not only potentially hindered
> by
> > > governments but also technical and monetary realities in various
> country
> > > and region. We of course have already worked and continue to do work in
> > > this area with initiatives like Wikipedia Zero and Offline Wikipedia /
> > > Kiwix.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > *Summary: The report from cycle 1 discussion is online[1]. The start
> of
> > > > cycle 2 is delayed until next week.*
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your contributions! We have been hard at work reading,
> > > > sorting, and summarizing more than 1,800 community member statements,
> > > from
> > > > more than 100 community discussions from across five continents. Each
> > of
> > > > these statements was a response to the question: "What do we want to
> > > build
> > > > or achieve together over the next 15 years?"
> > > >
> > > > You can find the full report on the major themes, and more details
> > about
> > > > them, in a summarized report on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> > > >
> > > > Some common themes emerged from these conversations:
> > > >
> > > > * Reliable, neutral, high-quality content
> > > > * Community health & support
> > > > * Internal & external collaboration
> > > > * Improved and new features
> > > > * Users, editors, & contributors
> > > > * Outreach, awareness, & promotion
> > > > * Innovation and adaptation
> > > > * Funding, staffing, and other organizational needs
> > > > * Support for emerging communities
> > > > * Advancing Wikipedia in education
> > > > * Movement values
> > > > * Sustainability & growth
> > > >
> > > > Each of these themes is described in more detail within the body of
> the
> > > > report,[1] and the full data spreadsheet from this analysis will be
> > > posted
> > > > soon.
> > > >
> > > > The movement strategy team has been working to group these themes
> > > together,
> > > > so that we have a smaller number of concepts to consider in the next
> > > cycle.
> > > > Because this work is important, we want to make sure the grouping and
> > > > analysis are comprehensive and thoughtful. In order to make sure we
> can
> > > get
> > > > it right, we’re delaying the start of cycle 2 discussions until next
> > > week.
> > > >
> > > > As you probably know, the Turkish authorities blocked Wikipedia in
> > Turkey
> > > > this week.[2] We’ve been working around the clock to understand the
> > > > circumstances and respond appropriately, including appealing in
> Turkish
> > > > court. We’re grateful to everyone who has reached out to offer us
> your
> > > > thoughts and perspective. Government limitations on free knowledge
> are
> > > just
> > > > one of the critical issues that have come up during the movement
> > strategy
> > > > process. As we confront these challenges in real time, it has been a
> > > > reminder for me how important our work is, and how it has very real
> > > > implications for people around the globe. Again, thank you.
> > > >
> > > > Kendine iyi bak (Turkish translation: “Take care of yourself”),
> > > >
> > > > Katherine
> > > >
> > > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
> > > Meta-Wiki.[3]
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > > movement/2017/Cycle_1/Report
> > > > [2]
> > > > 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
As I know there should be a disaster recovery plan within US, but the 
question is to know if the risk assessment includes also the political 
issues and the option to move the data centers outside US in case of 
political risks.


It's not my competence, but in several points there is a description of 
a plan of disaster recovery.


The concerns in this case are more connected with the legal consequences 
connected with the placement of data centers in US.


At least for Switzerland, Commons is absolutely a *no competitive media 
repository* cause the application of very restrictive US law besides any 
change that can happen with an election and the consequent change of the 
the political scenario.


The real problem is to know how political aspects are considered in this 
risk assessment and what are the plans to mitigate or to resolve them 
because we know that we have to follow the US law, but this answer is 
becoming more and more unsatisfying.


Kind regards

On 27.01.2017 04:33, Romaine Wiki wrote:

This is just the first week of this president!

I am 100% sure everyone in the Wikimedia movement is willing to make sure
Wikimedia faces no damage whatsoever, including in WMF, but to me this
still starts to get concerning.

If we as Wikimedia movement think that free knowledge, free speech, freedom
of information, etc are important, I would think that the location where
the organisation is based is that country where liberty is the largest, I
do not know where this is but it is definitely not the US.

To my impression WMF is stuck in the US, so I do not believe they would
actually move when the danger grows.

But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world.
Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the
knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation.

To come to a conclusion, I think WMF and the Wikimedia movement should
think about a back-up plan if it actually goes wrong.


If you do not agree with me: that is perfectly fine, that's your right and
should be protected.

Thank you.

Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

2016-10-16 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Hi,
I suppose that it should be a group of people to give relevant reasons 
and to be more proactive when selecting a bid mainly if connected with a 
poor respect of rights or with the safety of some specific diversities.


The link you give is more related to the rights than to the safety of 
people. In my opinion is incomplete. For instance North Carolina is not 
mentioned and looking at your link I would suppose that the whole USA is 
a safety place.


I would suggest to your group/you to list places where your life can be 
at risk, places where diversities like LGBT are not accepted, and safety 
countries or towns. Afterwards to push it as important aspect/policy to 
consider when selecting a town for a conference within Wikimania community.


This may help a lot and may give more useful and transparent material to 
the selection committee of Wiki conferences (because I have understood 
that your reasons would include the selection not only of Wikimania).


Kind regards

On 16.10.2016 19:20, Pax Ahimsa Gethen wrote:
Thanks Anna. I forgot to include this relevant link (which I also 
posted in the Facebook discussion):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory

- Pax


On 10/16/16 10:14 AM, Anna Stillwell wrote:

These are lovely suggestions / requests. Thank you for raising them. I'm
happy to hear of your positive experience at WikiConference.

+1
/a

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
list-wikime...@funcrunch.org> wrote:


Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and 
Wikipedia.[1]

I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but 
also

those living in the host country.

As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going 
about my
daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by 
the way;
I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to 
use

the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.

- Pax aka Funcrunch

[1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-
wikiconference-north-america/

[2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Chapters] [Affiliates] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-25 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi,
I appreciate the effort, it's interesting but there should more flexibility
in my opinion.

All is relative. Probably in Estonia, to do an outdoor activity, people
must wait more time than buying a loaf of bread in Venezuela. Depending on
the variable everyone has more difficulties than another, but it's
different to divide the world into good and bad.

Some criteria should be meet, I agree, but the flexibility and more a
matrix of criteria makes sense.

The biggest problem in a general concept of rules is to introduce global
rules that can kill the diversity.

They will help to have standardized and well defined entities and easy to
monitor, but also similar and undifferentiated entities.

To measure a maturity of a model the best would be to introduce a
combination of variables and not only three. It would be good to have,
let's say, three different parameters for each areas to have at least 9
different standards as a combination.

I think that a more flexible criteria can be a valid support.

Kind regards


On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Carlos M. Colina <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve>
wrote:

> Hello Pine,
>
> El 19/08/2016 a las 06:28 p.m., Pine W escribió:
>
> Hi Carlos,
>
> In general, I like the new criteria.
>
> I would like to suggest making the criteria entirely quantitative, so that
> there is minimal subjectivity about whether or not affiliates are meeting
> these standards and therefore there is likely to be less controversy about
> the status of affiliates.
>
>
> The problem of  making the criteria entirely quantitative is that the
> context where affiliates operate is not the same across the world. We
> cannot apply a rigid, based in fixed numbers criteria because the situation
> of Estonia or The Netherlands, to give an example, is not the same of
> Venezuela, where people need to queue for hours just to buy a loaf of
> bread, if they happen to be lucky enough to find a bakery operating, or
> where scheduled 4-hour daily blackouts are the norm across the country
> except for the capital.
>
> If all affiliates operated in the same conditions, that would be another
> story.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions

2016-06-23 Thread Ilario Valdelli
 the Wikimedia projects, she’s been an active contributor since 2011, and
> shortly after became an administrator of Ukrainian Wikipedia
> <https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Головна_сторінка>. She has also been a
> member of the Wikimedia Ukraine <https://ua.wikimedia.org/wiki/>
> community for nearly four years, and has served as the chapter’s Board
> Treasurer, Vice Chair, and volunteer Executive Director.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-10 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Joseph,
I think that the banner could be useful to test some problems I see when
there is a switch of context.

I live near the border Italy-Switzerland and I see several discrepancies
when I connect in Italy and in Switzerland.

Basically I continue to see banners of Switzerland when I connect in Italy
and viceversa.

Probably there is something connected with the cookies or with a
persistence of personal data of browsing.

In my opinion this experiment can be a good test to check if this problem
is persistent switching the content.

In addition my question is about the implementation of this kind of banner
because the centralnotice can be set per country, per project and per
language. Do this banner add also the possibility to set it by content?

Kind regards


On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I wanted to give you a heads up about a small test WMF Online Fundraising
> will be running over this weekend. Following a suggestion from
> User:Wittylama we are for the first time going to be testing fundraiser
> banners that are content specific. [1]
>
> From now until Monday 9th May we will be running an A/B test strictly on
> articles relating to Game of Thrones [2] and only within the United States.
> The reason being its huge popular appeal and expected spikes of traffic to
> related articles during the airing of the next episode this Sunday . This
> is the first test of its kind so we are being reasonable in our
> expectations. It's hoped that this sort of specific messaging will allow us
> to engage with our readership a little better through our fundraising and
> in time provide alternatives to our standard messaging.
>
> The banner we are testing [3] has gone through several iterations and we
> are trying to strike that fine line between engaging with our readers by
> being content specific but at the same time avoiding being seen as
> advertising or overt endorsement. There were certainly some more
> extravagant ideas but we have gone with the more conservative option for
> now.
>
> If you have any ideas you would like to suggest about either our process or
> banner ideas feel free to contribute on our fundraising ideas page. [4]
>
> It is my plan going forward to provide more regular updates about our
> testing and the results we find from it. What form that takes and where I
> post those I'll decide in the coming weeks and will update you then.
>
> Hope you all have a great weekend.
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas#Related_content_banners
> [2] http://pastebin.com/M8AjB1tk
> [3]
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones?force=1=US=B1516_0506_enUS_dsk_p1_lg_got_got
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Testing Update (Friday 6th May) - Hopefully the first of Many

2016-05-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
In Switzerland is not expensive...
Il 09 Mag 2016 20:33, "Michael Peel"  ha scritto:

>
> > On 9 May 2016, at 18:36, Béria Lima  wrote:
> >
> > My 2 cents :D
> >
> > 1. I can't see the banner (not using the link posted or going by
> > CentralNotice) Could someone who can see it take a print please? :D
>
> Here's a screenshot as it appears on my computer:
> http://www.mikepeel.net/temp/wmf_fundraiser_got.pdf
>
> The part of it that sounds odd to me is that it still includes the
> statement "If everyone reading this right now gave $3, our fundraiser would
> be done within an hour." - is that still true for more
> narrowly-focused/seen banners, and for year-round fundraising? Plus, the
> expensive cup of coffee's still mentioned. ;-)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-11 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Any COI generates burocracy. After or before.

Doing it before helps to avoid empty seats.

In an election is the same community to check it. If there is an
appointment, there is not a preliminary extensive check. A potential COI is
revealed after the appointment.
Il 09 Apr 2016 12:15, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha
scritto:

> Hoi,
> Really more bureaucracy? As if that does not bring its own conflict of
> interest?
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 9 April 2016 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > What should be noted is that a personal declaration of COI cannot be
> > sufficient. Probably an evaluation of potential conflits done by a
> > committee as neutral body can help the candidates to better evaluate the
> > candidacy and to manage them better.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Il 09 Apr 2016 8:26 AM, "Anders Wennersten" <m...@anderswennersten.se>
> ha
> > scritto:
> >
> > > I, as all others, has full sympathy for Danny and find that he in his
> > mail
> > > made an excellent explanation on how the situation made the option to
> > > resign the only reasonable way forward
> > >
> > > BUT this is the second community selected that has left the Board
> within
> > a
> > > year after being appointed, and before any future election (either a
> snap
> > > byelection soon, or the ordinary in a years time) I believe we should
> > look
> > > into if anything can be learnt. And if there are things, primary in the
> > > election process, that can be done to ensure the appointed community
> > > selected members of the Board staying on the whole term.
> > >
> > > For Danny my interpretation is that he is very operational role in
> > > ordinary work leads to many interaction with WMF etc and where COI
> > > consideration hampers his day-to-days activities. And that his major
> > > strength, "Wikidata", is hard to make use of in the Board as any
> > > influencing of decision re this also puts him in a COI situation, and
> > that
> > > he outside this competence finds he has limited "value" for the board
> > work.
> > >
> > > But all of these facts was known before the election (but not necessary
> > > the ramification). Would a more elaborate (tedious long?) description
> of
> > > requirements of serving in the Board helped Danny to understand the
> > > challenge before he entered his candidacy? Would some type of
> > (lightweight)
> > > "vetting" by the Election committee by all candidates have identified
> > this
> > > risk (which then could have been feedbacked to the candidate)? Should
> for
> > > future election the election committee not only be facilitator of the
> > > election, but also help he voters in complementing the data given by
> each
> > > candidate by some type of comments? For example last time the
> requirement
> > > from the board was non western (non English natives) persons and
> priority
> > > for nonmale. but 2 out of 3 was just his. Could some mark on the
> > candidate
> > > statement made by the EC (he/she is/is not fulfilling the Board
> criteria)
> > > had helped?
> > >
> > > The setup up of a Standing Election Committee is under formation but it
> > > will probably still be some month before it is established. Any changes
> > in
> > > the election process has to await this formation, but I believe a
> > > discussion of learnings can start independently.
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
What should be noted is that a personal declaration of COI cannot be
sufficient. Probably an evaluation of potential conflits done by a
committee as neutral body can help the candidates to better evaluate the
candidacy and to manage them better.

Kind regards
Il 09 Apr 2016 8:26 AM, "Anders Wennersten"  ha
scritto:

> I, as all others, has full sympathy for Danny and find that he in his mail
> made an excellent explanation on how the situation made the option to
> resign the only reasonable way forward
>
> BUT this is the second community selected that has left the Board within a
> year after being appointed, and before any future election (either a snap
> byelection soon, or the ordinary in a years time) I believe we should look
> into if anything can be learnt. And if there are things, primary in the
> election process, that can be done to ensure the appointed community
> selected members of the Board staying on the whole term.
>
> For Danny my interpretation is that he is very operational role in
> ordinary work leads to many interaction with WMF etc and where COI
> consideration hampers his day-to-days activities. And that his major
> strength, "Wikidata", is hard to make use of in the Board as any
> influencing of decision re this also puts him in a COI situation, and that
> he outside this competence finds he has limited "value" for the board work.
>
> But all of these facts was known before the election (but not necessary
> the ramification). Would a more elaborate (tedious long?) description of
> requirements of serving in the Board helped Danny to understand the
> challenge before he entered his candidacy? Would some type of (lightweight)
> "vetting" by the Election committee by all candidates have identified this
> risk (which then could have been feedbacked to the candidate)? Should for
> future election the election committee not only be facilitator of the
> election, but also help he voters in complementing the data given by each
> candidate by some type of comments? For example last time the requirement
> from the board was non western (non English natives) persons and priority
> for nonmale. but 2 out of 3 was just his. Could some mark on the candidate
> statement made by the EC (he/she is/is not fulfilling the Board criteria)
> had helped?
>
> The setup up of a Standing Election Committee is under formation but it
> will probably still be some month before it is established. Any changes in
> the election process has to await this formation, but I believe a
> discussion of learnings can start independently.
>
> Anders
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Denny
Your email is very interesting to understand the conflict you were
experimenting to introduce innovation and good ideas in Wikimedia projects.

In my opinion the biggest problem is the overlapping between direction and
execution. Do you think that your action would be less efficient operating
outside the board of trustees?

Your opinion would be very appreciated because you are a good example of a
member who can really address the decisions in an innovative direction but
blocked by a strict definition of COI.

Kind regards
Il 08 Apr 2016 20:17, "Denny Vrandecic"  ha
scritto:

> I exchanged a walk on part in the war for a lead role in the cage.
>
> I find myself tied and limited in my actions and projects. In order to
> avoid the perception or potential for Conflict of Interests I have to act
> extremely carefully in far too many parts of my life. Instead of being able
> to pursue my projects or some projects at work - which I think would align
> very well with our mission - I found myself trapped between too many
> constraints. I feel like I cannot offer my thoughts and my considerations
> openly, since they might easily be perceived as expressions of interests -
> regarding my previous work, regarding my friends, regarding my current
> employment.
>
> This hit home strongly during the FDC deliberations, where I had to deal
> with the situation of people deliberating a proposal written by my Best
> Man, around a project that has consumed the best part of the previous
> decade of my life. Obviously, I explained the conflicts in this case, and
> refrained from participating in the discussion, as agreed with the FDC.
>
> This hit home every time there was a topic that might be perceived as a
> potential conflict of interest between Wikimedia and my employer, and even
> though I might have been in a unique position to provide insight, I had to
> refrain from doing so in order not to exert influence.
>
> There were constant and continuous attacks against me, as being merely
> Google’s mole on the Board, even of the election being bought by Google. I
> would not have minded these attacks so much - if I would have had the
> feeling that my input to the Board, based on my skills and experiences,
> would have been particularly valuable, or if I would have had the feeling
> of getting anything done while being on the Board. As it is, neither was
> the case.
>
> I discussed with Jan-Bart, then chair, what is and what is not appropriate
> to pursue as a member of the Board. I understood and followed his advice,
> but it was frustrating. It was infuriatingly limiting.
>
> As some of you might know, Wikidata was for me just one step towards my
> actual goal, a fully multilingual Wikipedia. I hoped that as a Trustee I
> could pursue that goal, but when even writing a comment on a bug in
> Phabricator has to be considered under the aspect that it will be read as
> "it is a Board-member writing that comment" and/or “It’s a Googler writing
> that comment”, I don’t see how I could effectively pursue such a goal.
>
> It was at Wikimania 2006 in Boston, when Markus Krötzsch and I had lunch
> with Dan Connolly, a co-editor of the early HTML specs. Dan gave me an
> advise that still rings with me - to do the things worth doing that only
> you can do. This set me, back then, on a path that eventually lead to the
> creation of Wikidata - which, before then, wasn't something I wanted to do
> myself. I used to think that merely suggesting it would be enough - someone
> will eventually do it, I don’t have to. There’s plenty of committed and
> smart people at the Foundation, they’ll make it happen. Heck, Erik was back
> then a supporter of the plan (he was the one to secure the domain
> wikidata.org), and he was deputy director. Things were bound to happen
> anyway. But that is not what happened. I eventually, half a decade later,
> realized that if I do not do it, it simply won't happen, at least not in a
> reasonable timeframe.
>
> And as said, Wikidata was just one step on the way. But right now I cannot
> take the next steps. Anything that I would do or propose or suggest will be
> regarded through the lense of my current positions. To be fair, I do see
> that I should not be both the one suggesting changes, and the one deciding
> on them. I understand now that I could not have suggested Wikidata as a
> member of the Board. It takes an independent Board to evaluate such
> proposal and its virtues and decide on them.
>
> I want to send a few thank yous, in particular to the teams at the
> Wikimedia Foundation and at Google who helped me steer clear of actual
> conflicts of interests. They were wonderful, and extremely helpful. It
> bears a certain irony that both organizations had strong measures against
> exactly the kind of things that I have been regularly accused of.
>
> I only see three ways to stay clear from a perceived or potential Conflict
> of Interest: to lay still and do nothing, to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Leigh
In general there is always a transparent hierarchy and an untasparent one
self organized following the real leaderships.

Problems happen when the gap between both increases. In this case the real
decisions are made in front of a coffee machine and not in the right places.

The solution is a strong commitment from higher levels and a different
organization  (for instance by matrix and not simply functional).

Anyway it is the C level having the power to introduce a revolution like
this.

Kind regards
Il 28/Feb/2016 08:09 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter"  ha
scritto:

> I have to agree here. The WMF and its employees have forgotten that the
> mission is to support the work done on the various wikis, not make work for
> fireworks for themselves.
> Nothing we are dealing with here is new. It is just the eruption of some
> very long-standing problems with the WMF and the tone it sets for the rest
> of the movement. While some might be celebrating now, Lila was not the
> problem.  IMHO, the problem is a lot of hidden hierarchies (denied of
> course). Add to that, that the lack of transparency allows the growth of
> hidden agendas.
> Remember this blew when a community selected board member was tossed off
> the board unceremoniously. We find out through this that the community (or
> chapters) have no real voice on the board under the current set up.
>
>
> > From: dacu...@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:52:30 +0100
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization
> >
> > I am starting a new thread because I disagree with the idea that the WMF
> > should be a high-tech organization as the other thread by Brion seemed to
> > suggest. Yes, technology is a tool that we use in our mission to gather
> and
> > process all forms of human knowledge, but in the end the driving force is
> > volunteership.
> >
> > Without volunteers there wouldn't be any movement and there wouldn't be
> any
> > need for tools, or any donations whatsoever. It is the concept of working
> > for free for the common good that allows us to exist and fulfill our
> > mission. The WMF is instrumental in providing the tools for it to happen,
> > but those tools are not only technological, they are also legal,
> > educational, and social, however when talking through computer screens we
> > seem to forget that.
> >
> > A hi-tech tool can work for a given task or not, but there are more
> > important topics like trust, commitment, empowerment, motivation, and joy
> > that cannot be assessed so easily, and that are at least as crucial as
> any
> > software. What is the point of having a perfect tool Z if I don't enjoy
> > working with my fellows on a common mission?
> >
> > The role of nurturing volunteers is not exclusive of affiliate
> > organizations, the WMF offer grants to volunteers and organizes several
> > gatherings. Is that enough to strengthen the volunteer community? Then I
> > look at organizations like WOOF or workaway that thrive with full-time
> > volunteers and I wonder if more opportunities could be opened for our
> > volunteers.
> > Is there anything holding us back to try new things besides old patterns
> of
> > participation?
> >
> > It is a challenge to do more for the volunteer community without
> resorting
> > to grants or payment, but that is the key to succeed as a volunteer
> > organization, to provide an ecosystem where personal growth is possible.
> >
> > I am interested in hearing what others have to say about it. Maybe it is
> > possible to gather ideas or even a team of people who wants to research
> > more information about the topic.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Micru
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The KPIS is not only quantitave measures.

For instance an anonymous survey may measure the level of satisfaction of
people and it's more qualitative.

The simplicity of KPIS is to agree (all parties) about the indicators and
to cut off discussions about success/insuccess.

Something can be a success for someone an insuccess for another one.

They are indicators and not only measures.

Kind regards
Il 29/Feb/2016 14:58, "Brion Vibber" <bvib...@wikimedia.org> ha scritto:

> On Feb 29, 2016 3:13 AM, "Ilario Valdelli" <valde...@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','valde...@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what
> > "high-tech" means.
> >
> > The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and a
> > balanced relation of those indicators.
> >
> > A corporation can be a high-tech corporation and take care of the comfort
> > of all stakeholders without problems, the big deal is to find this
> balanced
> > relation.
>
> I too like measuring things, but I think we can't just measure people and
> expect that's going to create a healthy productive environment for staff
> and volunteers. I think you have to talk and listen to people to do that.
> Rant time:
>
> It's great to track measurable things to engage in a feedback loop for
> whether we're accomplishing our goals, but the measures are always limited
> in what they tell you; at best they're proxies for the information you
> really wanted -- such as "page views" when we want to know "how many people
> are learning and improving their lives through Wikipedia?" or active editor
> counts when we want to know "do we have a strong, healthy volunteer
> workforce?"
>
> It's very common for such feedback loops to fail dramatically when you
> optimize for the measurement instead of for your actual goals...
>
> Focusing on KPIs is how people die in hospitals (because the sickest people
> don't get risky surgery to keep post-op survival rates up) or schools with
> at-risk children get defunded here in the US (schools whose students
> get low standardized testing results are punished under the "No Child Left
> Behind" law of 2001).
>
> This link came up in some discussions off list, and aligns with my
> concerns:
>
> http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/08/03/the-costs-of-accountability/
>
> -- brion
>
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bvib...@wikimedia.org');>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think there are many different interpretations of what it means to
> "be a
> > > high-tech organization", which makes it a difficult label to base
> arguments
> > > around; readers will interpret it very differently depending on their
> > > personal experiences and biases.
> > >
> > > One view might concentrate on notions of "innovation", "excellence", or
> > > "return on investment" achieved through super-smart people creating
> unique
> > > technology -- this view associates "high-tech" with success,
> competitive
> > > advantage, brand awareness/marketshare, and money (profit for
> traditional
> > > corporations, or investment in the mission for non-profits).
> > >
> > > Another view might concentrate on other features considered common to
> > > "high-tech" companies such as toxic work environments, lack of
> diversity,
> > > overemphasis on engineering versus other disciplines, disconnection
> from
> > > users' needs, and a laser-focus on achieving profits at the expense of
> > > long-term thinking. This view associates "high-tech" with social and
> > > economic inequality and exploitation of employees and users for their
> labor
> > > & attention to the detriment of their physical and emotional health.
> > >
> > > And there are many, much subtler connotations to be found in between.
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe a high-tech organization should invest in smart people
> creating
> > > unique technology. But I also think it should invest in people, period.
> > > Staff and volunteers must be cultivated and supported -- that's how
> loyalty
> > > and passion are developed, and I believe they pay dividends in
> productivity
> > > and recruitment.
> > >
> > > Absolutely Wikimedia Foundation needs to build better t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi,
in my opinion there is no need to differentiate and to clarify what
"high-tech" means.

The real problem is to define the KPIs (key performance indicators) and a
balanced relation of those indicators.

A corporation can be a high-tech corporation and take care of the comfort
of all stakeholders without problems, the big deal is to find this balanced
relation.

Kind regards



On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> I think there are many different interpretations of what it means to "be a
> high-tech organization", which makes it a difficult label to base arguments
> around; readers will interpret it very differently depending on their
> personal experiences and biases.
>
> One view might concentrate on notions of "innovation", "excellence", or
> "return on investment" achieved through super-smart people creating unique
> technology -- this view associates "high-tech" with success, competitive
> advantage, brand awareness/marketshare, and money (profit for traditional
> corporations, or investment in the mission for non-profits).
>
> Another view might concentrate on other features considered common to
> "high-tech" companies such as toxic work environments, lack of diversity,
> overemphasis on engineering versus other disciplines, disconnection from
> users' needs, and a laser-focus on achieving profits at the expense of
> long-term thinking. This view associates "high-tech" with social and
> economic inequality and exploitation of employees and users for their labor
> & attention to the detriment of their physical and emotional health.
>
> And there are many, much subtler connotations to be found in between.
>
>
> I believe a high-tech organization should invest in smart people creating
> unique technology. But I also think it should invest in people, period.
> Staff and volunteers must be cultivated and supported -- that's how loyalty
> and passion are developed, and I believe they pay dividends in productivity
> and recruitment.
>
> Absolutely Wikimedia Foundation needs to build better technologies --
> technologies to serve the needs of our editors, our readers, our
> photographers, our citation reviewers, etc. This means Wikimedia Foundation
> needs a good relationship with those people to research, brainstorm, plan,
> develop, test, redevelop, retest, and roll out software successfully. The
> people who represent Wikimedia Foundation in those relationships are its
> staff, so it's important for management to support them in their work and
> help them succeed.
>
> It is my sincere hope that when the current crises are resolved, that the
> Board of Trustees and the executive can agree on at least this much as a
> shared vision for the Foundation.
>
> -- brion
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Kat
This is good.

But why not to look for a CTO?

Designing a CTO's profile and putting it in a CEO's profile is a big
challenge. This can happen but means also to have a big change of the
vision of WMF.

Kind regards
Il 22/Feb/2016 19:12, "Kat Walsh"  ha scritto:

> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:03 AM, George Herbert
>  wrote:
>
> > One phrase I see used quite often is "sometimes we need to break a few
> eggs."  For those who are not native american english speakers, this is
> referring to the need to move beyond shifting things around into breaking
> things apart, letting people go who may not fit in the new plan, stopping
> things outright, etc.  The eggs - people, projects, structures, policies,
> assumptions - need to partly go away - be broken - in order to reform.
> >
> > Lila's vision here clearly calls the change campaign out as having
> explicitly intended to break eggs.
> >
> > It further suggests strongly that this was the Board of Trustees'
> intention in hiring her, and that they agreed with breaking those eggs.
>
> I left the board during the search process, but remained on the search
> committee. So while I cannot know what the board was thinking after
> her tenure began, I can say that the search committee was not looking
> for a "turnaround CEO"--at least to my understanding we were looking
> for someone who would be able to execute better on some of the areas
> (particularly engineering) where we wanted to make more improvements
> but hadn't.
>
> (Which would naturally involve some change--but sweeping reforms were
> not envisioned; part of why Sue stepped down when she did was that she
> felt the organization was basically stable and could be smoothly
> handed off. It is certainly possible for someone to come in and decide
> that was a wrong assessment, but it wasn't what the committee had been
> looking for.)
>
> -Kat
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-22 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi,
This explanation is really appreciated and it helps to understand a point
of view. The problem is that it's "a" point of view.

We can define it as a "change management". In this explanation are missed
some points.

The first point is the mapping of the stakeholders and to define what the
stakeholders think of this change and how they can influence or block this
change.

This point is really important and it's considered as "initiation phase" of
a change. Without this mapping a project can easily fail.

The second missed point is the communication.

A change should demonstrate to introduce several benefits and to be
efficient. Basically after the mapping, the communication helps to keep the
support of those stakeholders.

Personally I have seen big projects to fail cause a bad communication and
the creation of a block and of a resistance to the change in important
stakeholders. This is a risk that should be considered because this risk
can block any change even if good and rational.

A change cannot be "imposed" because WMF is an open system interacting with
the environment.

I remember that Sue Gardner, when introduced the strategic plan, spent a
long session during the chapters meeting in Berlin in order to communicate
and to collect feedbacks from the chapters considered an important
stakeholder.

Probably her strategic plan was weaker, but the introduction generated
lesser discussion and conflicts.

Kind regards


On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:22 AM, Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>
> This has not been easy.
>
>
> In practice this means I demanded that we set standards for staff
> communication with our community to be professional and respectful. It
> meant transitioning people, shutting down pet projects, promoting some but
> not others, demanding goals and results to get funding. This level of
> change is necessary to set up our organization to address the challenges of
> the next decade.
>
>
> All of this means stepping away from our comfort zones to create capacity
> for building programs and technologies that will support us in the future.
> It is a demanding and difficult task to perform an organizational change at
> this scale and speed.
>
>
> I believe that in order to successfully serve our community and humanity,
> the WMF has deliver best-of class technology and professional support for
> community. This will ensure we are delivering significant impact to
> volunteer editors and opening avenues for new types of contributions. This
> requires that we choose the route of technical excellence for the WMF with
> support and encouragement from our community partners. Without this
> empowerment, the WMF will not succeed.
>
>
> The world is not standing still. It will not wait for us to finish our
> internal battles and struggles. Time is our most precious commodity.
>
>
> Lila
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I like this email of Chris and what seems to me strange is that there is an
evident lack of control of the board.

I have read the emails of resignation without being shocked. They were
expected. It's sufficient to use Mr.google and to reach Glassdoor to read
the anonymous comments of former employees to discover there is a general
unsatisfaction.

The motivation and the general "wealth" of employees and of the community
is important. These are the numbers that the board must ask to see and not
other stupid KPIs.

Kind regards
Il 20/Feb/2016 10:25, "Chris Keating"  ha
scritto:

> On 19 Feb 2016 23:49, "Denny Vrandecic" wrote
> > # The alternative is to allow every member of the Board to engage
> > individually as they like. This will mean that there are much more
> > individual conversations going on, things can be better explained. But
> this
> > also means that the individual Trustee's statement must not be taken as
> > golden representations of the Board's thinking. If ten Board members
> engage
> > with the community (which won't happen anyway, but even if it's five), do
> > expect five different voices and opinions, and don't expect that
> everything
> > said will actually become a resolution (which, in the end, is the only
> way
> > the Board as a Board can communicate anyway). This obviously can lead to
> > plenty of "that Trustee said that" or "no, I talked with Trustee X, and
> she
> > said that this change is a bad idea", etc. - never mind possible legal
> > implications.
>
> Hi Denny (and the rest of the Board),
>
> From my experience of Wikimedia movement conversations  (and other
> conversations from similar organisations) it is usually better to have
> Board members contributing to debates with their own voices. It's really
> reassuring to know that someone is saying something. Silence, by contrast,
> results in a lot of doubts. Thinking back to the Haifa letter and the
> discussion around fundraising and so on in 2011-2 - it was really helpful
> in that discussion when WMF board members started sharing their
> (conflicting) views rather than communicating through agreed statements  (
> which took hours to write and then ended up being really unclear anyway ).
> It meant that the Board started to look like a bunch of people trying to do
> the best job given conflicting perspectives, and stopped looking like an
> uncontrollable monolith.
>
> Of course it doesn't help that there are some people on this list who will
> leap at every statement to find fault with it - but usually those people
> are fed more by silence than by engagement.
>
> And of course it is not always possible to talk publically about
> differences of approach or upcoming issues - particularly where staff are
> concerned - but it is best to talk as far as you can, in my view.
>
> Chris
>
> >
> > Since I have been on the Board there was never even really a discussion
> > which of these options we should take. And I am not surprised by it -
> > considering how creative and dissective some community members can be
> with
> > the statements from Board members. Seriously, I am not feeling
> comfortable
> > with sharing any of my thoughts here, and even this mail I hope I will
> > press send before I just delete it.
> >
> > This mail, please, do not read it as an excuse for the Board. I am not
> > trying to downplay the current situation nor to take responsibility away
> > from the Board. I am not trying to blame anyone at all, but merely trying
> > to explain why the heck we act so fucking dumb sometimes.
> >
> > Again, thanks,
> > Denny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Delphine Ménard 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe that Dariusz' comment was somewhat blown out of proportions
> > > (due in part to difficulties in communication inherent to our
> > > multicultural movement). I also think that some of the statements he
> > > made were too "blanket" to let go, so I understand the frustration.
> > >
> > > This said, Ori, I want to thank you for what I believe is the most
> > > daring, heartfelt and bold emails ever written to this list.
> > >
> > > And I use the word bold very specifically because I believe that this
> > > is what is missing today. Boldness. Boldness does not only translate
> > > in taking (un)calculated risks, it also comes in the capacity of
> > > admitting failure.
> > >
> > > I'll tell you where I think we, as an organisation, have failed. It
> > > was already a long time ago, when we started to talk about efficiency.
> > > When the Foundation started working and acting like an American Global
> > > Corporation, and stopped cherishing our diversity and leverage it to
> > > do that thing we once all dreamed of "taking over the world". I will
> > > give you a few examples which I think illustrate the failure to be
> > > bold in organisational ways. They might shed a light on today's
> > > governance chaos.
> > >
> > > Fundraising & Trademark: For 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-18 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Ido,
your email is interesting and reveals an important issue: the governance of
a no for profit organization is a little bit different from that of a
"commercial" company.

In my opinion there is an unclear definition of the stakeholders and the
definition of the importance of these stakeholders and the relations they
have.

Missing a clear definition of these entities and how they are related and
what kind of potential conflicts can be generated by them, it can only
drive to the current picture.

Kind regards

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 9:04 AM, ido ivri <idoi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear members of the WMF Board of Trustees,
>
> I’ve been following the recent events silently - from the voting out of
> James Heilman, to the unfortunate timing of recruiting Arnnon Geshuri and
> the lack of clear, timely communication around WMF strategy in in general
> and specifically around the so-called “Knowledge Engine” grant, received by
> the Knight Foundation.
>
> Even more alarming to me, is the slew of exceptional community-facing
> employees who left (or are leaving) the Foundation, accompanied by muffled
> sounds of discontent from staying Foundation employees.
>
> I’m breaking my silence because I’m very concerned. My concerns stem from
> my past experiences with facilitating strategic changes and my experience
> in grantmaking - both in and outside of the Movement.
>
> I’m concerned because it’s evident that the Foundation is undergoing a
> deep, strategic change. But this change is not accompanied by the required
> transparency, honesty and accountability required by the Foundation in
> order to truly transform in a way that's beneficial for the organization
> and its community.
>
> I’m concerned, because while the “Knowledge Engine” grant provides only a
> specific example, it underlines a larger picture that is disturbing:
> concealment (rather than openness) as a default, lack of consultation with
> the community and weak, general communication around important matters only
> after bad press. I also suspect that the vocal members of the community are
> right, and that a $250K grant is not the issue, but it part of a bigger
> move that will require significantly more resources for the Foundation to
> implement.
>
> Lastly, I’m concerned because all this stirs no clear communication from
> the Board of Trustees. A Board of Trustees implies there should be trust
> between the Board and its constituents. I suspect this isn’t the case
> anymore.
>
> If any APG-receiving affiliate conducted itself in such a non transparent,
> dishonest manner and with lack of clear, timely communication with its
> community and stakeholders, it would get seriously reprimanded by the
> Foundation: its board audited, its budget cut, etc. Expecting the
> Foundation to be held to a lower standard than any of its worldwide
> affiliates is just hypocritical.
>
> I urge the Board of Trustees - Don’t forget that the community of
> volunteers and affiliates is a major stakeholder of the Wikimedia
> Foundation - and many of us are concerned. I think the community deserves
> to better understand where the Wikimedia Foundation is going, and get
> honest answers about the changes in the organization, for us to be trusting
> again. Please start communicating clearly about those topics.
>
> With utmost respect,
>
> Ido (AKA AlleyCat80)
>
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

2016-01-16 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Interesting.

It would make sense in general, but if we de-contextualize Wikimedia.

The potential of Wikimedia projects are connected with the question that 
they are free. Having a premium access means two kind of risks:


a) losing the community, and Wikipedia will become quickly a "big 
outdated content repository" without the community
b) managing a service, because a premium access would have a "premium 
service"


It's normal that someone else build a business on Wikimedia's content, 
but this allowed by the license, it's more difficult that Wikimedia 
Foundation can do a business with this content.


Kind regards

On 16.01.2016 10:23, Pete Forsyth wrote:

I'm interested to hear some perspectives on the following line of thinking:

Lisa presented some alternative strategies for revenue needs for the
Foundation, including the possibility of charging for premium access to the
services and APIs, expanding major donor and foundation fundraising,
providing specific services for a fee, or limiting the Wikimedia
Foundation's growth. The Board emphasized the importance of keeping free
access to the existing APIs and services, keeping operational growth in
line with the organization's effectiveness, providing room for innovation
in the Foundation's activities, and other potential fundraising strategies.
The Board asked Lila to analyze and develop some of these potential
strategies for further discussion at a Board meeting in 2016.
Source: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2015-11-07
-Pete[[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes but this list is public.

Being in the shoes of an external I would have so much material to do a
science fictional romance.
Il 09/Gen/2016 13:21, "Yaroslav M. Blanter" <pute...@mccme.ru> ha scritto:

> On 2016-01-09 13:14, Ilario Valdelli wrote:
>
>> Yes but this overlapping generates this kind of misunderstanding.
>>
>> For people being outside wikimedia community there are several changes too
>> much complicated.
>> Il 09/Gen/2016 13:08, "Yaroslav M. Blanter" <pute...@mccme.ru> ha
>> scritto:
>>
>>
> To be honest, I think people outside the Wikimedia community do not care.
>
> The problem at this point is the lack of mutual trust between WMF and the
> community, which started to get repaired in the second half of 2015, and
> which was not helped by the recent events.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes but this overlapping generates this kind of misunderstanding.

For people being outside wikimedia community there are several changes too
much complicated.
Il 09/Gen/2016 13:08, "Yaroslav M. Blanter"  ha scritto:

> On 2016-01-09 12:54, Steinsplitter Wiki wrote:
>
>> That James was replaced with Geshuri, who was involved in a scandal is
>> yet a other scandal.
>>
>>
> James Heilman was never replaced by Arnnon Geshuri. Arnnon replaced Stu
> West, and James will be replaced by a to-be-elected community member later
> this year.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-02 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Hi Dariusz,
governance is not a question mark that someone can mean as he wants.

In this case the real problem is connected with the stakeholders, and 
this is an unsolved real problem of governance.


As soon a board member has been selected/elected by a stakeholder, the 
board of trustees cannot dismiss it following the action taken in this 
specific case.


In this case the problem of un-governance is the identification of the 
stakeholders and the real power in the hands of each stakeholder.


The real problem of "un-governance" is more related with the action of 
the board of trustee than with James (at the moment).


I understand that James have "recognized his errors and admitted that he 
made mistakes and stepped out of process for a Board member" but at the 
moment the records of the board's meeting says that James voted against 
his dismission.


It means that you are doing a personal statement, but the official one 
is that James didn't accepted his dismission during the vote.


Kind regards

On 02.01.2016 12:08, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:


Yet, when governance is involved, things work out a bit differently. I can
explain to you how I understand the results of the vote. I myself
considered voting in favor of the resolution. I also believe that others
reasonably considered their vote. James himself recognized his errors and
admitted that he made mistakes and stepped out of process for a Board
member. Our collective decision was carefully thought through. I also
understand well the reasons of many Board members who voted as they did.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-31 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Hi Patricio,
a little question to understand.

Does it means that the majority of the board can dismiss the minority 
for some reasons?


I understand the effectiveness, but this sentence is a little bit critical.

Kind regards

On 31.12.2015 14:02, Patricio Lorente wrote:


Under the Wikimedia Foundation’s Bylaws, and, in accordance with Florida
law (where, as a 501(c)(3) charity, the Foundation is registered), members
of the Board who are selected through community or affiliate elections are
then appointed to the Board by the existing members. Since all members of
the Board are appointed by the Board itself, the Board retains the ability
to manage its composition as necessary to maintain the working environment
required to be effective.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] AWB & Ubuntu: Can really someone help?

2015-12-29 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 29.12.2015 10:10, Petr Kadlec wrote:

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:


AWB is made in C#.

C# runs in .NET.

.NET is like a virtual machine to abstract the layer of the operating
system.

.NET runs in Windows doesn't run in Linux based OS.


Not really. Apart from Mono, we have .NET Core <https://dotnet.github.io/>
now. (However, I’m not saying AWB will run under either of those options or
even that it would be easy to make it work there.)

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I have read that AWB is created using Microsoft Visual C#.

The big question mark is to know if something created on a .NET using 
the original framework can run in .NET Core.


But it could interesting to ask to the developers if they would migrate 
it and probably solving the big discrepancy and the big "operating 
system divide".


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 29.12.2015 02:17, MZMcBride wrote:

---
; Approved: Patricio Lorente, Alice Wiegand, Frieda Brioschi, Jimmy Wales,
Stu West, Jan-Bart de Vreede, Guy Kawasaki, Denny Vrandečić,

; Oppose: Dariusz Jemielniak, James Heilman
---

This is a somewhat interesting breakdown. I'm also paying close attention
to what James posted on this mailing list. In my mind, he's the person
likely able to speak most freely about this removal and probably is more
familiar with it than most. For now, he seems to have chosen not to say
very much. Others involved in the removal likely can't (or maybe won't)
say much more, which of course just leaves everyone else to speculate.

MZMcBride



What is strange is that he votes and he votes in opposition.

Did someone see an inconsistencyon that?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource technical issues (was Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!)

2015-12-17 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The initiative is good also to train the community how to approach the
tools' development.

I think, and this is not a comment for Wikisource for it's a general
comment, that a tool is not a simple piece of software running for a bunch
of things.

The name "tool" is correct because is something available for a use: it can
used or not used.

Instead a "service" is a combination of tools, processes and people.

Good tools are important to build a good service but are not sufficient.

The real problem is that people miss always these three aspects and in
addition there is a wrong approach of programmers to build a tool with a
bad planning and analysis.

Several PM frameworks say that 80% of the time must be dedicated to plan,
because a good planning is mandatory for a good result.

The results of this survey are interesting, but this is a simple
"initiation process", it means that the better evaluation must follow.

So it's correct that a simple tool doesn't solve a problem.

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> (splitting as per Richard request)
>
> > Question for the Wikisource folks: would Project Grants be a way to get
> > resources for you? If you can design a project and find people with the
> > right skills, that avenue might be beneficial for you. I have a software
> > developer in mind who would probably like to work with you if resources
> are
> > available and a project has the support of the community and WMF.
> >
> > Pine
>
> Hi Pine. My personal answer to your question is: no. Because we've already
> tried that, and we did barely scratch the surface of the issues.
> I'm on mobile and cannot provide you details and references, but in the
> past years we used both IEG and Google Summer of Code for funding
> developers, and we had few successinaddressing main issues. Also, tools
> that worked and were helpful are now abandoned.
> What wikisource lacks is development to core software, not only external,
> cool tools, which are fine but in the end don't really solve problems.
>
> I can elaborate further and bore you with details but, ina nutshell, we
> just need  commitment from people who can bring theirlines ofcode into
> production. As Wikisource is formally a Wikimedia project, and provides its
> tiny contribution to the mission and also to fundraising, I would expect a
> commitment of this sort coming from WMF.
>
> Aubrey
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paris

2015-11-14 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I have also checked yesterday through Internet and I was supported by all
of your messages.

I suppose that the hobbies of wiki*edians are safety hobbies (i.e.writing
wikipedia). So the probability of an accident is low.

Every time an accident happens we think to all people of the community
living over there.

We are with you.
Il 14/Nov/2015 11:26, "Christophe Henner"  ha
scritto:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Sorry didn't thought of coming here (long night for me had to work).
>
> Nathalie, WMFr ED, checked all staff in.
> From all we could gather over the last hours, so far all parisians
> wikimedians are ok. Can't be 100% sure as we have some who still have to
> answer but so far so good.
>
> Thank you all for your kind words. It was a long night, will be a long
> week-end and hard time... for the second time in the year.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Take care of you and the people you love
>
> --
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>
> On 14 November 2015 at 09:51, Giuliana Mancini <
> direttore-gener...@wikimedia.it> wrote:
>
> > Dear Nathalie,
> > I want to express our solidariety from Italy with all of you for the
> awful
> > things that happened yesterday.
> > If we can do anything, here we are.
> >
> > Giuliana
> >
> >
> >
> > Il 14/11/15 04:09, Sydney Poore ha scritto:
> >
> > Alex, thanks for sharing this information. My thoughts are with
> Wikimedians
> >> and their family and friends.
> >>
> >> Take care,
> >> Sydney
> >>
> >> Sydney Poore
> >> User:FloNight
> >> Wikipedian in Residence
> >> at Cochrane Collaboration
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Alex Cella 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> All the staff is safe, I'm in touch with them.
> >>>
> >>> Thnaks for asking.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> *Alex Cella*
> >>> Finance Fellow
> >>> ace...@wikimedia.org
> >>> LinkedIn 
> >>>
> >>> Wikimedia Foundation
> >>> 149 New Montgomery St., San Francisco, CA., 94105
> >>> www.wikimediafoundation.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Milos Rancic 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> May WMFR coordinate efforts to inform us if all Wikimedians from Paris
> 
> >>> are
> >>>
>  live and well?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

2015-10-31 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 31.10.2015 12:12, Fæ wrote:

On 31 Oct 2015 11:00, "Ilario Valdelli" <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:

On 31.10.2015 11:46, Fæ wrote:

Hang on. Could I have an independent reality check; is that really $7
per photograph?

Fae

30.000 is exact, but they are 30.000 Real which means 11.000 USD.

Cool. So about $2.50 per image.

This looks expensive compared to my upload projects (the last 500,000
images have cost $0.00 in total) but perhaps the benchmark is better when
measures against other WLM projects.

Anyone have the numbers to show comparative value?

Fae


Using a bot to collect images in internet probably would have been 
lesser than 0$ per image.


Anyway the real calculation of an impact of a project is not so simple.

Because if we would use the same parameters, people reading this thread 
have spent more than 5 minutes, and calculating the sum of people 
reading this thread we can calculate a big time waste.


We can say that this thread is really time-expensive without producing a 
real impact. But we know that this mailing list is done to help the 
communication and not to calculate the time waste, so a thread like this 
is accepted.


I have put the links, it's sufficient to read the measures of the 
success to know that the aim of the project is not to produce only images.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

2015-10-31 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 31.10.2015 11:46, Fæ wrote:

On 31 October 2015 at 02:26, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
<rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:
...

And this money, more then 30'000 USD, come from WMF for the WLE 2014/15 and

Hang on. Could I have an independent reality check; is that really $7
per photograph?

Fae


Probably the best is to look directly in the grants:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/UG_BR-ER/Wiki_Loves_Monuments_Brasil_2015
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/Wiki_Loves_Earth_Brasil_2015

30.000 is exact, but they are 30.000 Real which means 11.000 USD.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers

2015-10-31 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Again, and again.

"Success for whom"?

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Wikimedia_Community_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/Wiki_Loves_Earth_Brasil_2015#Measures_of_success

The section "measure of success" reports:

at least 400 participants uploading one photograph or more;
at least 5,000 photos uploaded;
at least 15% of photos used on Wikipedia;
at least 50% of new users engagement during the contest;
at least 10 new articles about natural heritage sites in Brasil;
at least 10% of new user retention after 2 months of the contest.

Rodrigo reports:

Pictures uploaded: 4.443
Uploaders: 411
New users registered on Commons:  325
New users engagement: 79%
Pictures user on Wikipedia: 86 (2%)


Are the goals reached? Basically yes. When the project has been financed 
it was clear that the definition "success" was based on those measures.


There is no success for a specific person on an individual and personal 
criteria.


The user group of Brazil has not asked nothing special, this is a normal 
budget for any WLM or WLE in several countries.





On 31.10.2015 18:20, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

quality of work.

Again "Success for whom?"






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rodrigo versus Rodrigo (was Re: WLM Brasil 2015 - Winners / Numbers)

2015-10-31 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 31.10.2015 21:13, Luiz Augusto wrote:

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com> wrote:


(...)

[5]some samples of local community interacting with Padula's "ideas":


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Brazilian_Group_of_Education_and_Research/User_Group_Proposal
https://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio_Discuss%C3%A3o:Rodrigo_Padula
follow the thread:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediabr-l/2014-August/015754.html




Please don't read this as I advocating for Padula. Quite the opposite, I'm
only suggesting to ignore the bad mood from Argenton and really focus on
measurements and governance points proposed by Fæ.




In your email you are making confusion between measures/governance and 
strategy.


The governance is focused to check that the strategy is applied well, 
the governance is not strategy itself.


For the PEG Padula has realized its project and reached the goals.

This result cannot be combined with a discussion of the conflicts 
happening in the Brazilian community, which should be probably discussed 
in another place.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli

I will be simple like explaining it to a baby.

On 21.10.2015 16:29, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

How about less provocations, attempts to breakdown the conversation with
violence, and support our idea in a civilized manner ? So " it's not good
to give publicly comments on the candidates.", why do you think that?


I think nothing. I administer a list where the entities involved in the 
process decided that.


Decision taken by these entities, I execute their decision.

I am, politely, addressing you to the right place to discuss it.



I am not understanding your affirmation, because you did not offer any
argument that corroborates to your statement.



Yes, I know, you do not understand.

Anyway we can continue "ad libitum" for the sample reason that you don't 
like it but it's not up to me to support your dislike.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The spirit of the Wikimedia Movement I suppose is to be "respectful" of 
each person.


There is the freedom to be informed, there is the freedom of the opinion 
but these freedoms have limits and the limits are set where another 
freedom starts because I think that it's clear that there are other 
freedoms like the respect of the privacy.


Anyway I suggest you to make your proposal to person in charge of the 
selection, appointed every time the process starts, may be this person 
can take your comment in consideration.


Kind regards


On 21.10.2015 15:49, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

That's the spirit of Wikimedia Movement, censorship...

I was talking about the list, you said: " it's not good to give publicly
comments on the candidates." and I asked why, you decided not answer.

And you know that AffCom screwed WMBR, so don't come with "If you are
member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, not to me."
just to border me.







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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
If you are member of a chapter, please ask internally to your chapter, 
not to me.


Before participating to this thread I was really clear: please address 
any comment of the affiliated selected board seats in another place. 
Here we are speaking of the mailing list.


It means that, following my coherence, I would strictly comply with the 
topic of this thread.


Kind regards

On 21.10.2015 15:18, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

This do not answers any of my questions... opacity even in the talk, the
via will not make any difference.

On 21 October 2015 at 10:43, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats


On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliate-selected_Board_seats

On 21.10.2015 14:09, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote:

" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that
so?
And candidates? To what?

On 21 October 2015 at 06:12, Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com> wrote:


Exactly, the problem is the manageability.

At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs
few subscribers per chapter.

The chapters mailing list must be kept "private" because it's not good to
give publicly comments on the candidates.

The need of privacy is crucial.

Migrating the chapters mailing list to an affiliates mailing list has no
sense, but there is a real need to have a place of discussion for
affiliates.

Considering the high number of affiliates I agree that it would be
difficult to assure a privacy.

If you remember well, this has been also the killing reason for internal
mailing list when private discussions were public immediately after the
first post.

Kind regards

On 21.10.2015 05:04, Risker wrote:


Snipping this separately.

There are almost 90 affiliates (including chapters and thematic
organizations), and this number is growing rapidly.  If each one can have
two or three members of this mailing list, we're talking hundreds of
subscribers. A list with that many subscribers is never going to really
remain private and confidential.  Anyone who is discussing anything
'sensitive' on a list with that many subscribers is, frankly, doing it in
the wrong place.  The existing chapters-l and internal-l mailing lists
used
to leak like sieves when they were in heavy use (and in addition the
information that was leaked was often distorted and incomplete).




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Exactly, the problem is the manageability.

At the moment chapters list is more or less manageable because it needs 
few subscribers per chapter.


The chapters mailing list must be kept "private" because it's not good 
to give publicly comments on the candidates.


The need of privacy is crucial.

Migrating the chapters mailing list to an affiliates mailing list has no 
sense, but there is a real need to have a place of discussion for 
affiliates.


Considering the high number of affiliates I agree that it would be 
difficult to assure a privacy.


If you remember well, this has been also the killing reason for internal 
mailing list when private discussions were public immediately after the 
first post.


Kind regards

On 21.10.2015 05:04, Risker wrote:

Snipping this separately.

There are almost 90 affiliates (including chapters and thematic
organizations), and this number is growing rapidly.  If each one can have
two or three members of this mailing list, we're talking hundreds of
subscribers. A list with that many subscribers is never going to really
remain private and confidential.  Anyone who is discussing anything
'sensitive' on a list with that many subscribers is, frankly, doing it in
the wrong place.  The existing chapters-l and internal-l mailing lists used
to leak like sieves when they were in heavy use (and in addition the
information that was leaked was often distorted and incomplete).




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 20.10.2015 23:40, Romaine Wiki wrote:

I do question why some members from the community should be involved in
chapter/affiliates issues.
If affiliates want to communicate with each other, without interference
from individual users, they had no way to do such until this list was
created.

And there is no transparency reduction. The suggestion that with creating
this list the transparency is reduced is an illusion. If affiliates want to
communicate with only affiliates, they will found another way to do that
without doing that publicly, and that is much less transparent.




There is already a "closed" mailing list but it has a low traffic 
exactly for the point that it's "closed".


After several discussions within the community about the approach of 
"closed circle", Chapters would be "open" and "transparent" and would 
avoid that there is the feeling that in some places are happening 
machinations or conspiracies.


What is really missed is an "open" space where discussions about 
chapters can happen.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-19 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Hi all,
I support Chris' arguments and I would add some points.

As administrator of the chapters mailing list I think that the best is 
to recover some "historical memory", which is never regrettable. 
Considering that we are going to celebrate several year of birthday of 
Wikipedia or of Wikimedia projects, I think that the "historical memory" 
is more than an asset.


I personally can support the creation of a mailing list like this for 
several reasons:


1) the chapters mailing list is closed for a specific reason
2) users groups cannot be accepted for a specif reason, even if there is 
a strong pressure
3) The chapters mailing list is hard to maintain because, as closed 
mailing list, the update and the verification requires time and 
workload, and this workload is manageable only if there is a limited 
number of subscriptions


The chapters mailing list exists *only* to assure a neutral (and this 
word makes sense) and a "demilitarized zone" to discuss and to announce 
the selection of the WMF's board members assigned to the chapters.


I would not open here a long discussion about the process or about the 
assignments to the chapters of these two seats (not all WMF board 
members are selected by the community), the chapters are considered as a 
stakeholder and the chapters asked to have a place like this. So please 
discuss in other places this item.


So the point 1) is justified.

The users groups cannot be accepted until the users groups cannot 
participate in this selection because the main aim of the mailing list 
is exactly that. So the point 2) is justified.


I personally can assure that to keep this place "neutral" there is a 
long verification of the eligibility of the members and it requires a 
lot of time.


The chapters mailing list has very low traffic because is used also to 
make some announcements (for instance the Wikimedia Conference) because 
not all chapters members follow Wikimedia-l.


Except these two utilization, there are nothing else.

At this point I would correct my sentence and I would say that: "I 
personally can support the creation of a mailing list" but I would add 
"not a twin of the chapters mailing list".


A closed and limited mailing list will be a simple replication of the 
chapters mailing list except the big workload to manage more 
subscriptions. It makes sense and can complete the chapters mailing list 
only if it is "open" and "transparent". Anyone who would open an user 
group can follow it, any chapters who would use the chapters mailing 
list for a use different to the main one, would be addressed to the open 
mailing list.


And as personal hint I suggest to keep it open because the management of 
a close mailing list with a high number of eligible subscribers may 
require a lot of time and verification.


Kind regards


On 19.10.2015 21:12, Chris Keating wrote:

Looking at the current (private) chapters' list, for at least a year 90%+
of the traffic has been announcements that were cross-posted to
Wikimedia-l. The other 10% is invitations and requests addressed to
"chapters people" that might be boring to most people on wikimedia-l but
could have been publically archived with no problem.

The last "private" thing to happen on that list was discussion of the 2014
Affiliate Selected Board Seats process - actually not so much the process
itself but how to deal with an intemperate email from someone from the
English Wikipedia Signpost who was threatening to write an article about
the process being an undemocratic sham.  Apart from that we are stretching
back into 2013 and the death throes of the WCA before anyone said anything
interesting on the list.

On the subject of email lists, internal-l which is meant to be "chapters
plus WMF staff" has had virtually no traffic for literally years. There was
at one point a limit on the number of representatives of chapters that
could be on internal-l (and IIRC on the chapters list) but that never
really served any purpose (it certainly didn't improve the signal to noise
ratio...)

What does all of this mean? I think it's pretty clear that broad-based
private-access lists aren't serving any purpose. My preferred option would
be to either ditch the Chapters mailing list or make it announce-only,
scrap Internal-l entirely, and have an "affiliates" list that is open.

Chris





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

2015-10-18 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I personally think that the main concern, in this proliferation of 
groups, is an lack of the implementation of a "good governance".


A user group is like a body, it can born, can develop and can die.

At the moment there is an unclear guideline about the monitoring and the 
development of these groups: they can only born.


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups

Basically the affiliation committee creates these entities, but don't 
monitor them and don't evaluate to retire (or the best would be to 
freeze) some old entities when they become essentially inactive or silent.


In this case the balance would be compensated and the proliferation of 
these groups would have a sense.


Kind regards

On 18.10.2015 16:48, Gregory Varnum wrote:

The Affiliations Committee (AffCom) has been preparing for the increased 
momentum since the user group model was implemented, and it follows a pattern 
that we’ve been seeing over the past couple of years. In 2013, we approved 10 
user groups, last year we approved 19, and so far this year we have approved 
around 20. That number will likely increase next year. This growing momentum is 
why we have continued to tweak the approval process to be faster and able to 
handle the growing momentum. So, from our perspective, this is something we 
have been preparing for from the start, and not a surprise.

Personally, I think further complicating affiliate classifications is a bad 
idea. “Small” and “larger” are very culturally relative, varies across the 
models (there are user groups “larger” than chapters), changes over time, and 
implies that “large” affiliates do work “small” affiliates cannot, when we 
continue to see that is in fact not the case at all. The current criteria for 
WMCON is active and inactive, which seems far more appropriate. Additionally, 
dividing them will not save much money, if any, as there would still presumably 
be a gathering for the “small” affiliates.

I agree with Leigh and others that affiliates should receive more support, but 
I do not think those efforts will be served well by further dividing them.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 04.10.2015 19:48, Pavel Richter wrote:

2015-10-04 17:42 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard <anthe...@yahoo.com>:


Le 04/10/15 16:15, Theo10011 a écrit :
Now, beside head rolling... (uh, ouch :)) what do you suggest to fix that ?



So, what happened? The Wikimania committee came to the conclusion that the
current process to select the next Wikimania host is broken (and I think
the committee was right about that). So something needed to happen - and
the committee did something that we
​see ​
not often enough in Wikimedia-land: *they made a decision*.


This is good.

But I think that the main point to fix is that a decision is valid as 
soon it is communicated.


At the moment it does not seem that the local communities were informed 
in order to know that the process was broken.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-18 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Yes it can be possible without touching the fundraising's banner.

The banner can be put in the Mediawiki:sitenotice in each project and 
can cohabitate with the fundraising's banner.


The real problem is that a small banner can have only a limited effect.

On 18.08.2015 23:31, Platonides wrote:


Given that they are going to take you banner time, maybe they would be 
possible to be convinced to include a small WLM ad in the donation 
page?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Board of Trustees Chair and Vice Chair positions

2015-07-16 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Wow does it mean that I spoke in the lift with the new president 30 minutes
after his election without knowing to speak with the new president?
Il 16/Lug/2015 17:04, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org ha
scritto:

 Hello Everyone

 I am happy to inform you that the Board has unanimously appointed a new
 Chair and Vice Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.

 Patricio Lorente will be the new Chair and Alice Wiegand will be the new
 Vice-Chair. Both have several.years of experience on the board and we are
 confident that they will help the board grow and be successful in the
 coming years.

 Personally I am looking forward to helping them get acquainted with their
 new role in the coming months as my time on the Wikimedia Board ends in
 December.

 I hope you can join me in congratulating them on their new position and
 wish them success in the challenges facing them.

 Jan-Bart de Vreede
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The best evaluation is to understand the evolution and the trend.

In the last months in waray for instance I have seen less than 10 edits in
the overall project in one month.

This is not revitalization. I agree with the enthusiasm of the community
members but I am personally in favor of comparison of numbers in a long
time perspective.

I am happy to see more data and to monitor them to know if this is a model
to be replied but the numbers are not really supportive.

Regards
Il 07/Lug/2015 13:12, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se ha
scritto:

 What gives you the right to be judgemental how they act on their version?
 Is that your idea of the movement values and vision, to talk badly of other
 efforts?

 and I know for a fact they did not to this to get into this list you are
 upset of. It is untrue when you state like this which have inflated
 article counts

 And I also know as a fact they are very happy with this effort because it
 has energized their small community. You talk of big increased I think of
 how many communities of this size that implodes  which is a more common
 scenario.

 As I have already stated I have no problem that you (and others) have
 another view of the benefits of botgenrated arciels.

 But please be supportive to the very small communities, who do their best
 to survive and grow

 Anders

 Craig Franklin skrev den 2015-07-07 12:21:

 There is already a consensus on enwiki (please, hold your rotten tomatoes)
 that projects like this which have inflated article counts due to
 extensive
 botting rather than through having a lively community not be included on
 the main page.  I think a lot of the comments here about a huge article
 count attracting communities to curate that content are somewhat
 disingenous, it seems that despite having lots of articles there is only
 one active user on Waray Wikipedia, who is responsible for more than 99%
 of
 total edits.  As Milos has alluded to, number of articles is a poor
 metric for understanding how useful a particular project is to speakers of
 that language.

 Speaking here as a speaker of a minority language myself, I understand the
 temptation of quickly creating lots of articles to have some sort of
 demonstrable impact, and I believe there is a place for some bot
 generation
 of articles on any project.  But after hitting Random a few times on
 Waray, and seeing what came back, I'm not really sure how this is a more
 useful resource for speakers of the language than just going into Wikidata
 with the interface set to Waray.  I believe the time honoured, if slower
 way of creating a Wikipedia, lovingly handcrafting it article by article,
 is far more likely to lead to a positive impact for people.

 Cheers,
 Craig



 On 7 July 2015 at 07:55, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Indeed, as Josh points out, there are also costs (even if only perceived
 or
 reputational costs) to populating a tiny Wikipedia with next to no active
 editors with hundreds of thousands of bot-generated stubs.  Is having
 stubs
 on all French communes in Cebuano better than having nothing in Cebuano?
 Probably, yes.  And by increasing pageviews (which is measurable), one
 increases the likelihood of organic conversion of readers into editors
 (which is *still* the most effective way to make Wikipedians, albeit not
 the easiest to directly control).

 But, again as Josh says, that increase in *editorship* is yet to be
 attained.  The Waray Wikipedia (btw, Waray-Waray is, it turns out,
 objectionable to Waray speakers, and is mildly derogatory) is still
 largely
 edited by *one* committed individual, User:JinJian[1], as the stats
 plainly
 show.  Given that the bot was run *with* JinJian's consent, there can be
 no
 objection to its operation.

 As Milos suggests, there seems to be an emotional response to those
 Wikipedias appearing in the top 10 view.  This should be divorced from
 those communities' sovereign decisions to run or not run the bot.  If the
 top 10 inclusion truly bothers people, and there's a strong consensus
 that
 Wikipedias largely populated by bot-generated stubs should not be
 included, a discussion could be had on what this view *should* mean,
 precisely, if not plainly the top 10 Wikipedias by article count.  And
 whatever refined definition is agreed upon (e.g. thresholds like a
 minimum
 number of active editors, or some formula involving the article depth
 figure, or whatever) can then be made the basis for the list, or indeed,
 for a different list, that would be more satisfying for those who are
 displeased with being under these Wikipedias on the list.

 A.

 [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaWAR.htm#wikipedians

 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  I can probably speak for those communities.  On the whole, the logic
 behind the Lsjbot experiment was simple: build it and they will come.

 So far though, this hasn’t happened.  We from the Tagalog 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-07 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Thanks to have summarized my position.

As speaker than more than one minor language I agree that there is no sense
to inflate articles over the possibility of the small community to manage
them. Not in opposition of automated generated articles but having in my
hands the experience of project management of IT where the big challenge is
not to produce a software but to keep it updated and efficient.
Il 07/Lug/2015 12:22, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net ha
scritto:

 There is already a consensus on enwiki (please, hold your rotten tomatoes)
 that projects like this which have inflated article counts due to extensive
 botting rather than through having a lively community not be included on
 the main page.  I think a lot of the comments here about a huge article
 count attracting communities to curate that content are somewhat
 disingenous, it seems that despite having lots of articles there is only
 one active user on Waray Wikipedia, who is responsible for more than 99% of
 total edits.  As Milos has alluded to, number of articles is a poor
 metric for understanding how useful a particular project is to speakers of
 that language.

 Speaking here as a speaker of a minority language myself, I understand the
 temptation of quickly creating lots of articles to have some sort of
 demonstrable impact, and I believe there is a place for some bot generation
 of articles on any project.  But after hitting Random a few times on
 Waray, and seeing what came back, I'm not really sure how this is a more
 useful resource for speakers of the language than just going into Wikidata
 with the interface set to Waray.  I believe the time honoured, if slower
 way of creating a Wikipedia, lovingly handcrafting it article by article,
 is far more likely to lead to a positive impact for people.

 Cheers,
 Craig



 On 7 July 2015 at 07:55, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Indeed, as Josh points out, there are also costs (even if only perceived
 or
  reputational costs) to populating a tiny Wikipedia with next to no active
  editors with hundreds of thousands of bot-generated stubs.  Is having
 stubs
  on all French communes in Cebuano better than having nothing in Cebuano?
  Probably, yes.  And by increasing pageviews (which is measurable), one
  increases the likelihood of organic conversion of readers into editors
  (which is *still* the most effective way to make Wikipedians, albeit not
  the easiest to directly control).
 
  But, again as Josh says, that increase in *editorship* is yet to be
  attained.  The Waray Wikipedia (btw, Waray-Waray is, it turns out,
  objectionable to Waray speakers, and is mildly derogatory) is still
 largely
  edited by *one* committed individual, User:JinJian[1], as the stats
 plainly
  show.  Given that the bot was run *with* JinJian's consent, there can be
 no
  objection to its operation.
 
  As Milos suggests, there seems to be an emotional response to those
  Wikipedias appearing in the top 10 view.  This should be divorced from
  those communities' sovereign decisions to run or not run the bot.  If the
  top 10 inclusion truly bothers people, and there's a strong consensus
 that
  Wikipedias largely populated by bot-generated stubs should not be
  included, a discussion could be had on what this view *should* mean,
  precisely, if not plainly the top 10 Wikipedias by article count.  And
  whatever refined definition is agreed upon (e.g. thresholds like a
 minimum
  number of active editors, or some formula involving the article depth
  figure, or whatever) can then be made the basis for the list, or indeed,
  for a different list, that would be more satisfying for those who are
  displeased with being under these Wikipedias on the list.
 
 A.
 
  [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaWAR.htm#wikipedians
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
   I can probably speak for those communities.  On the whole, the logic
   behind the Lsjbot experiment was simple: build it and they will come.
  
   So far though, this hasn’t happened.  We from the Tagalog Wikipedia
 were
   also approached for this experiment, but we know what happens when
   bot-generated articles are made: the community is overwhelmed.  Out of
  that
   fear, we declined to participate.
  
   One of the concerns some editors in the Philippines have (and these are
   sentiments I share) is that these two Wikipedias turn us into a
   laughingstock, willing to increase article numbers at any cost.  At one
   point, the Cebuano Wikipedia was described as a Wikipedia of French
   communes, not content relevant to Cebu or Cebuanos.  I don’t think we’d
   like that with other Wikipedias in the Philippines or elsewhere.
  
   Regards,
  
   Josh
  
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These are fascinating experiments, I hope that the Waray-waray and
   Cebuano
communities 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes, and in this case I am saying that the bot populated Wikipedias are
bad products because qualitatively poor, instead of an architecture of a
data population and a creation of articles through Wikidata or through a
central repository.

Basically it's for a control of the content.

A bot populated article can widespread an error or an outdated information
in all web pages if there is not control of the community, instead a
central repository like Wikidata facilitates this control.

The same concept of Wikipedia is in discussion.

It's an encyclopedia, but another encyclopedia (may we can it botpedia?).

Regards

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hoi,
 When people do not edit Wikipedia we are talking about a situation that
 does not exist.

 I wholeheartedly disagree with you as you mistake the process with the
 product. Our aim is to produce a product and we should endeavour to provide
 it in a SMART way.  We lose out when we do not do the best we can. Our best
 is NOT sitting on our hands keeping information that is available to
 ourselves for secondary reasons. Yes, we can write articles and yes they
 may be better but as long as we do not provide information we do a half
 arsed job. A job that is qualitatively and quantitatively inferior.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 6 July 2015 at 11:42, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

  If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist.
 
  As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT
 tools
  to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be
  welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the
  integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the
 service
  of the overall communities.
 
  Regards
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
  gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hoi,
   I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an
  encyclopaedia.
  
   The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is
   edited.
  
   You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the
  final
   analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information.
   Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is
 possible
   to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and
 cache
   the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring
   missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of
   articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is
  EXACTLY
   the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore.
   Thanks,
 GerardM
  
   On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
  
https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers
https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers
   
An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an
encyclopedia?
   
Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In
 this
   case
these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one
 of
   its
pilaster.
   
In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a
 demonstration
that any strange language can have a big traffic if it is placed in
  the
first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search
engines.
   
But an impact is something that produces effects and
  dissemination. I
don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page
   view)
and nothing else.
   
If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of
 evaluations
   must
change.
   
It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported
 by a
mature community, because the articles will be improved in quality
  and
will generate more and more effects.
   
Regards
   
   
   
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 Hoi,
 How do you know that there is no impact ?

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
   shows
 clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The
  same
is
 true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number
  of
 speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact !
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  This is an example about how to produce a formal impact
 without a
 real
  impact.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A 
 salvador1...@gmail.com
  
 wrote:
 
   Hi!
  
   I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are
  inside
the
  list
   of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it
 happened
during
   this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli
https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers
https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers

An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an
encyclopedia?

Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In this case
these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one of its
pilaster.

In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a demonstration
that any strange language can have a big traffic if it is placed in the
first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search
engines.

But an impact is something that produces effects and dissemination. I
don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page view)
and nothing else.

If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of evaluations must
change.

It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a
mature community, because the articles will be improved in quality and
will generate more and more effects.

Regards



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wrote:

 Hoi,
 How do you know that there is no impact ?

 https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm shows
 clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The same is
 true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number of
 speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact !
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

  This is an example about how to produce a formal impact without a
 real
  impact.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Hi!
  
   I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are inside the
  list
   of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened during
   this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a little
   before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a thread
   announcing this?
  
   Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed it.wiki and
   es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot work.[2]
   Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history.
  
   [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
   [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli
This is an example about how to produce a formal impact without a real
impact.



On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!

 I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are inside the list
 of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened during
 this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a little
 before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a thread
 announcing this?

 Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed it.wiki and
 es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot work.[2]
 Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history.

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli
If people don't edit Wikipedia, Wikipedia would not exist.

As I have said the IT tools to support community are welcome, the IT tools
to populate a wikipedia like a population of a database should not be
welcome in Wikipedia, they are more appropriated for Wikidata where the
integration with Wikipedia is done in a right manner and are at the service
of the overall communities.

Regards

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hoi,
 I would not say that the Encyclopaedia Britannica is NOT an encyclopaedia.

 The objective of Wikipedia is EXACTLY that it is read. Not that it is
 edited.

 You can argue all you like against bot generated articles but in the final
 analysis it is doing a much better job than not providing information.
 Arguably it is not needed to save them as articles because it is possible
 to generate them on the fly based on information from Wikidata and cache
 the results but that is EXACTLY the kind of technology that would bring
 missing information to any Wikipedia without distorting the number of
 articles for people who only care about editors and editing. It is EXACTLY
 the kind of technology I would welcome the WMF to explore.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 6 July 2015 at 11:09, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

  https://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinaurog:ActiveUsers
  https://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:ActiveUsers
 
  An encyclopedia in the first 10 places without a community is it an
  encyclopedia?
 
  Is the community important to say that wikipedia is wikipedia? In this
 case
  these projects are demonstrating that Wikipedia can renounce to one of
 its
  pilaster.
 
  In my opinion the impact of Waray Waray or of Cebuan is a demonstration
  that any strange language can have a big traffic if it is placed in the
  first places of the ranking because it will be best ranked in search
  engines.
 
  But an impact is something that produces effects and dissemination. I
  don't see impact because the bot has increased only one measure (page
 view)
  and nothing else.
 
  If the impact must be produced with SEO, the parameters of evaluations
 must
  change.
 
  It is different when a bot is running in an encyclopedia supported by a
  mature community, because the articles will be improved in quality and
  will generate more and more effects.
 
  Regards
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
  gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hoi,
   How do you know that there is no impact ?
  
   https://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthlyCombined.htm
 shows
   clearly how much Cebuano has grown considerably in page views. The same
  is
   true for Waray Waray. Compare it to languages with a similar number of
   speakers. Please explain how this is not a real impact !
   Thanks,
 GerardM
  
   On 6 July 2015 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:
  
This is an example about how to produce a formal impact without a
   real
impact.
   
   
   
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 7:31 AM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
 Hi!

 I just I noticed that Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedia are inside
  the
list
 of the 10 Wikipedias with more articles.[1] It seems it happened
  during
 this weekend. Maybe in the case of Waray Wikipedia happened a
 little
 before. Somebody knows when did it was exactly? Did I miss a thread
 announcing this?

 Waray-waray is now the 6th place and Cebuano has surpassed it.wiki
  and
 es.wiki and gained the place number 8, mainly due to Lsjbot
 work.[2]
 Definitely a milestone in Wikipedia and bots history.

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias
 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lsjbot


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 07.07.2015 01:14, Asaf Bartov wrote:

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:


Are there any Cebuano or Waray community members on the list to offer an
opinion?


2. separate the top 10 issue that was the original trigger for this
renewed discussion, and suggest a constructive direction in which that
anxiety could be fruitfully addressed, quite apart from whether and which
communities decide to employ Lsjbot to populate their wikis.

I hope that's clearer now.

A.


I don't have any objection in this point as I have no objection in other 
languages that have increased a lot their number of articles running bots.


At the opposite I am asking to look forward and to implement something 
that can be helpful for any linguistic projects (and surely also for 
Cebuan and Waray where it seems that few members have in charge the big 
workload to keep the pages updated).


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-06-11 Thread Ilario Valdelli
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Interesting, but you miss Latin language which is official language of a
country (even if English Wikipedia says differently).

regards

On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:

 When you get data, at some point of time you start thinking about
 quite fringe comparisons. But that could actually give some useful
 conclusions, like this time it did [1].

 We did the next:
 * Used the number of primary speakers from Ethnologue. (Erik Zachte is
 using approximate number of primary + secondary speakers; that could
 be good for correction of this data.)
 * Categorized languages according to the logarithmic number of
 speakers: =10k, =100k, =1M, =10M, =100M.
 * Took the number of articles of Wikipedia in particular language and
 created ration (number of articles / number of speakers).
 * This list is consisted just of languages with Ethnologue status 1
 (national), 2 (provincial) or 3 (wider communication). In fact, we
 have a lot of projects (more than 100) with worse language status; a
 number of them are actually threatened or even on the edge of
 extinction.

 Those are the preliminary results and I will definitely have to pass
 through all the numbers. I fixed manually some serious errors, like
 not having English Wikipedia itself inside of data :D

 Putting the languages into the logarithmic categories proved to be
 useful, as we are now able to compare the Wikipedias according to
 their gross capacity (numbers of speakers). I suppose somebody well
 introduced into statistics could even create the function which could
 be used to check how good one project stays, no matter of those strict
 categories.

 It's obvious that as more speakers one language has, it's harder to
 the community to follow the ratio.

 So, the winners per category are:
 1) = 1k: Hawaiian, ratio 0.96900
 2) = 10k: Mirandese, ratio 0.18073
 3) = 100k: Basque, ratio 0.38061
 4) = 1M: Swedish, ratio 0.21381
 5) = 10M: Dutch, ratio 0.08305
 6) = 100M: English, ratio 0.01447

 However, keep in mind that we removed languages not inside categories
 1, 2 or 3. That affected =10k languages, as, for example, Upper
 Sorbian stays much better than Mirandese (0.67). (Will fix it while
 creating the full report. Obviously, in this case logarithmic
 categories of numbers of speakers are much more important than what's
 the state of the language.)

 It's obvious that we could draw the line between 1:1 for 1-10k
 speakers to 10:1 for =100M speakers. But, again, I would like to get
 input of somebody more competent.

 One very important category is missing here and it's about the level
 of development of the speakers. That could be added: GDP/PPP per
 capita for spoken country or countries would be useful as measurement.
 And I suppose somebody with statistical knowledge would be able to
 give us the number which would have meaning ability to create
 Wikipedia article.

 Completed in such way, we'd be able to measure the success of
 particular Wikimedia groups and organizations. OK. Articles per
 speaker are not the only way to do so, but we could use other
 parameters, as well: number of new/active/very active editors etc. And
 we could put it into time scale.

 I'll make some other results. And to remind: I'd like to have the
 formula to count ability to create Wikipedia article and then to
 produce level of particular community success in creating Wikipedia
 articles. And, of course, to implement it for editors.

 [1]
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TYyhETevEJ5MhfRheRn-aGc4cs_6k45Gwk_ic14TXY4/edit?usp=sharing

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli

On 06.06.2015 20:30, Risker wrote:


I find it interesting that nobody seems all that worried about the FDC
election (where 5 of 11 candidates got seats) or the FDC Ombud election
(where both candidates came forward in the last 24 hours before nominations
closed).  These two elections suggest some pretty big underlying problems
as well.  Nobody seems all that upset that fewer than 10% of all the
candidates for the 2015 elections were women - one of the lowest
percentages ever - and that not a single woman was elected to any role for
the first time in any election where more than one candidate was being
elected.  On the whole, despite having a fair number of candidates outside
of the US and areas represented by large national chapters, not a single
non-white, non-male candidate, not a single Asian, African or Latin
American candidate was elected.  We're pretty good at talking about
diversity, but very poor at implementing it.

Risker/Anne



The election's discrepancies  of FDC and Ombud can be justified. The two 
committees are much technical and require some specific experience.


But it's important to stress that, excluding the two women looking for a 
re-election, there were 0 new women within the candidatures.


Even there were new candidates for different areas, probably with a low 
wikimedian experience, but what is really important is that no women 
submitted a new candidature even white, global north living, English 
speaker.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes this remark is only focused to give the feedback that our user
experience is really different from that of the real users.

A question was done about the testing and in any country there are local
associations that can give tests (in Italian language there is unitalsi).

An additional remark is that there is an additional reason to improve pages
for blind persons and the reason is that the bots for SEO are blind. They
read the pages, don't see them.

Regards
Il 28/Mag/2015 12:33, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
ha scritto:

 This is a very enlightening discussion, but it's painfully apparent that
 there is no input in this discussion from someone who is sight-impaired, or
 input from an organisation like RNIB
 http://www.rnib.org.uk/about-rnib/web-accessibility-statement.

 Getting a wide range of this input is really key before this can go much
 further.

 Richard Symonds
 Wikimedia UK
 0207 065 0992

 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
 Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
 Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
 United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
 movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
 operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

 *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
 over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

 On 28 May 2015 at 10:58, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:

  Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting
 to
  share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation
 of a
  young programmer suffering from low vision and color-blind and usual
  participant in http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/gaad.html.
 
  It has been interesting because we experienced how is the life of a
 person
  studying and working in computer science but almost blind and we had the
  opportunity to be in his shoes.
 
  The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use
 always
  a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio
  almost unintelligible
  for not experienced people. The operating system provides several tools
 for
  that including mobile OS.
 
  The second lesson is that this software of speech synthesis is crucial
 for
  them and they would set and control it. So forget the normal speed of
 audio
  that everyone of us is experienced to use.
 
  The third lesson is that a lot of them in general hears music with
 headset
  and have the speech synthesis always on, if there is a third vocal
  synthesis for them is more a problem than an advantage.
 
  The fourth lesson learned is that Wikipedia is for them a well done web
  site because the content is structured. It means that the Table of
 Content
  at the start (so neglected by some graphical reasons) is fundamental for
  them because they can easily jump in the section they need.
 
  No one knew that I am from a Wikimedia chapter except the organizers and
 I
  did several questions about Wikipedia because (I did not know it) it was
  presented as good example of website for speech synthesis.
 
  What can be improved, in my opinion it's only the semantic aspect of
 the
  Wikipedia, so pushing more the attention on the structure of the page,
 and
  the awareness that images are not useful for them. We must be aware that
  some tools used in Wikipedia, like Captcha, are a real obstacle for blind
  people, like stairs for people with wheelchairs.
 
  Regards
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:55 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I guess I see this as making it easier for people to generate files to
  put
   on their ipod or for those with a limited ability to read who might not
   have figured out more complicated solutions. Those who are blind have
   likely already figured out good solutions. It is those of us who are
   sighted that need the help.
  
   I know that I personally would find such a button helpful. But through
 a
   great many steps I could likely figure out a work around. People prefer
   stuff that is simple.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-28 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to
share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a
young programmer suffering from low vision and color-blind and usual
participant in http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/gaad.html.

It has been interesting because we experienced how is the life of a person
studying and working in computer science but almost blind and we had the
opportunity to be in his shoes.

The first lesson learned is that blind (or almost blind) people use always
a software of speech synthesis with a speed that makes the audio
almost unintelligible
for not experienced people. The operating system provides several tools for
that including mobile OS.

The second lesson is that this software of speech synthesis is crucial for
them and they would set and control it. So forget the normal speed of audio
that everyone of us is experienced to use.

The third lesson is that a lot of them in general hears music with headset
and have the speech synthesis always on, if there is a third vocal
synthesis for them is more a problem than an advantage.

The fourth lesson learned is that Wikipedia is for them a well done web
site because the content is structured. It means that the Table of Content
at the start (so neglected by some graphical reasons) is fundamental for
them because they can easily jump in the section they need.

No one knew that I am from a Wikimedia chapter except the organizers and I
did several questions about Wikipedia because (I did not know it) it was
presented as good example of website for speech synthesis.

What can be improved, in my opinion it's only the semantic aspect of the
Wikipedia, so pushing more the attention on the structure of the page, and
the awareness that images are not useful for them. We must be aware that
some tools used in Wikipedia, like Captcha, are a real obstacle for blind
people, like stairs for people with wheelchairs.

Regards



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 I guess I see this as making it easier for people to generate files to put
 on their ipod or for those with a limited ability to read who might not
 have figured out more complicated solutions. Those who are blind have
 likely already figured out good solutions. It is those of us who are
 sighted that need the help.

 I know that I personally would find such a button helpful. But through a
 great many steps I could likely figure out a work around. People prefer
 stuff that is simple.

 --
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 MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

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[Wikimedia-l] Banner for voting board not displayed in Italian Wikipedia

2015-05-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi all,
there is a strange behavior in the Italian Wikipedia. The banner for the
vote for the WMF board is not visible.

Also from Switzerland I do not see it but I see the banner of Wiki Loves
Earth.

The behavior is that I see the banner of WLE more or less 40% of the time
and in the remaining 60% of time I do not see any banner.

It seems that the timeslot dedicated to the banner of WMF board is taken by
an empty banner.

I have checked the configuration of the centralnotice and it seems OK.

May someone check it?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Evaluation by WMF of Wiki Loves Monuments is failing to understand the community

2015-05-06 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes, I think that this may be considered the central problem.

It's easier to compare two different scenarios with a standard measure and
to use kilos to compare apples and oranges, for instance.

The problem is to understand that oranges will continue to be oranges after
this measure, and apples will continue to be apples.

This is an example to say that several countries focus their contest in
quality, some others in quantity.

The prize and the contest, anyway, is focused to select the better photo
and not the biggest uploaders.

It means that there is no sense to force the quantitative parameters while
the incentives are focused to increase quality.

Personally I find the same measure costs/uploads a lot far from the most
correct measure costs/benefits because we cannot consider a single upload
automatically as a benefit.

In my opinion the most critical point is how measure costs (the workload of
a community is it a cost?) and the benefits (a huge amount of worst photos
is it a benefit?) because it involves several not measurable parameters.

Regards


On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:


 Figuring out what ideas are repeatable, scalable, or awesome but one-time
 only, is complex. We probably need many different approaches, not one
 central approach, to understand and compare.





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Partnership policy - Wikimédia France

2015-04-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Anne-Laure,
really grateful to read this document, I think that the direction is
correct and it may be a good approach to the creation of a portfolio of
services.

Anyway any service is a combination of people, processes and tools.

Some indications can be extracted from this document but a real good
evolution could be to think about processes and tools behind these services
and may be also about the profile of people that can take them in charge.

Thank you for sharing


On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Anne-Laure Prévost 
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 Hi everyone,

 Wikimédia France has recently issued its partnership policy :
 you can find it on Meta both in French [1] and in English [2].

 The objective of such a policy is to help communicate our vision of
 partnerships and share it with future partners and stakeholders. It
 includes our service offering (which is almost finalized) to clarify our
 scope of activity.

 If you have any questions/remarks or your own example of such a policy,
 please feel free to get in touch !

 Regards,
 Anne-Laure

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Démarche_partenariale
 [2]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Démarche_partenariale/en



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] News from the Board of Wikimedia CH

2015-04-15 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Thank you Katy,
Charles will move in Paris but I suppose that he will remain still
connected to the Wikimedia movement even if in another country.

Thank you, really appreciated.

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 7:02 AM, Katy Love kl...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Thanks for this announcement, Ilario. Congratulations to all on the Board
 of WMCH, and a most warm welcome to Micha.

 And while it's not quite time for goodbyes, I am very sad to hear that
 Charles is moving on. At WMF, we too will miss his relentless enthusiasm,
 his strong collaborative instincts, his endless desire to improve and grow.
 Those qualities have been well admired and they will be well missed.

 Katy

 On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 8:39 AM, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  FYI an official message from Wikimedia CH:
 
 
Dear all,
 
  Wikimedia CH held its annual General Assembly on 21 March. We're pleased
 to
  announce that all of the Board re-candidated and were re-elected. We're
  even more pleased to welcome a new, seventh Board member: Micha Rieser (
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Micha).
 
  Besides being an active administrator on the German Wikipedia, he has
 also
  been our Wikipedian in Residence both at the Swiss Federal Archives and
 the
  National Library. He's currently doing the job again at the Basel
  University Library - this time without part-funding by WMCH. We trust
 that
  his personal network among GLAMs will be an asset for us, and he's an
  all-round great guy anyway (you can follow him on Twitter: @MLRzh)
 
  People come, people go: Charles Andrès, our current Chief Scientific
  Officer (in charge of projects and collaborations), has decided to move
  back to France for family reasons. His last day in the Lausanne office
 will
  be 30 June.
 
  Charles has been around the French Wikipedia since 2007, joined our Board
  in 2010, became our President and finally made the move to CSO. He has
  given a lot of time and effort to the movement, and those who know him
 will
  miss his relentless enthusiasm for new ideas and projects (you can still
  check him out @chandreswp). The Board will consider the replacement
  process, and after 30 June our Board members Stephane Coillet-Matillon
 and
  Frédéric Schütz will handle the interim.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Patrick Kenel, President
  
  Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge
  www.wikimedia.ch
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A transition and a new chapter.

2015-04-14 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Lila,
interesting this new organization but a question comes up.

Considering the presence of a new COO and the request to have more rigor
and discipline, does Wikimedia Foundation is planning to apply a framework
for IT governance of for improving IT services, like for instance ITIL or
Cobit?

The request makes sense in my opinion because I worked (and I am working a
lot) with those frameworks or best practices because I am experiencing that
within the new technologies the IT governance is becoming really important.
The simple experience in management systems is not sufficient.

Anyway more rigor and discipline means an use of a framework and probably
also auditing.

Best regards



On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:



 In February, we brought the key community-facing functions into one team,
 Community Engagement under Luis Villa, to improve support for community
 needs and priorities. In March, we brought on Terry Gilbey as our new Chief
 Operating Officer, to improve our organizational effectiveness, and
 introduce rigor and discipline into our operational processes, metrics, and
 reporting. And just two weeks ago, we introduced Kourosh Karimkhany as our
 new Vice President of Strategic Partnerships, to build meaningful
 partnerships, projects, and relationships that advance our mission.


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Chapters] News from the Board of Wikimedia CH

2015-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
FYI an official message from Wikimedia CH:


  Dear all,

Wikimedia CH held its annual General Assembly on 21 March. We're pleased to
announce that all of the Board re-candidated and were re-elected. We're
even more pleased to welcome a new, seventh Board member: Micha Rieser (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Micha).

Besides being an active administrator on the German Wikipedia, he has also
been our Wikipedian in Residence both at the Swiss Federal Archives and the
National Library. He's currently doing the job again at the Basel
University Library - this time without part-funding by WMCH. We trust that
his personal network among GLAMs will be an asset for us, and he's an
all-round great guy anyway (you can follow him on Twitter: @MLRzh)

People come, people go: Charles Andrès, our current Chief Scientific
Officer (in charge of projects and collaborations), has decided to move
back to France for family reasons. His last day in the Lausanne office will
be 30 June.

Charles has been around the French Wikipedia since 2007, joined our Board
in 2010, became our President and finally made the move to CSO. He has
given a lot of time and effort to the movement, and those who know him will
miss his relentless enthusiasm for new ideas and projects (you can still
check him out @chandreswp). The Board will consider the replacement
process, and after 30 June our Board members Stephane Coillet-Matillon and
Frédéric Schütz will handle the interim.

Best regards,

Patrick Kenel, President

Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge
www.wikimedia.ch






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions about GLAM projects

2015-03-16 Thread Ilario Valdelli

Thank you,
I have been unclear.

The question was more connected with the donation of content than with 
creation of content.


An edit-a-thon can generate content in several languages, but an example 
that can match what I am asking for is a donation of digitized documents 
in several languages.


About the Latin language would be interesting to have a link to the 
material of the British Museum.


I have checked here: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/British_Museum


Regards

On 16.03.2015 23:21, geni wrote:

On 16 March 2015 at 21:20, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote:


First question: can someone say me if there was a GLAM project managing
more than 4 languages?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/JoburgpediA



Second question: do you know a GLAM project managing material in Latin
language?



The original British museum project produced some Latin material.




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[Wikimedia-l] Questions about GLAM projects

2015-03-16 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Sorry if address here two questions but I am collecting some data and I
would double check to supply the most accurate information.

First question: can someone say me if there was a GLAM project managing
more than 4 languages?

Second question: do you know a GLAM project managing material in Latin
language?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-26 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I agree with this point and I think that this problem is central.

People with defective vision already uses text-to-speech solutions as
client application.

So the problem is another: are the pages of Wikimedia projects adapted to
be read by TTL client program?

I think that the exaggerated use of templates is the main obstacle to have
wikimedia projects compatible with WAI standard (http://www.w3.org/WAI/).

So the question is different: before adapt the pages to WAI, after check
them with a TTL client program, and after define if it makes sense to
introduce a TTL integrated to the web interface.

Someone with low vision or blind probably cannot find or read the
instructions to use the TTL with Wikipedia, he has his own program and is
able to use it.

regards

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:

 We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and
 they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic
 structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text
 and descriptions of media in plain text. They are using their own free
 text-to-speach software to which they are used to. Such software simply
 reads everything on the screen in the same neutral way. So they don't need
 any other tools for voice reading - if other websites provide it - they
 usually do not use it. Maybe in some other languages the situation is
 different - but it would be better to discuss it with relevant associations
 before investing time and money for such solutions. Fortunately, Wikipedia
 actually is quite  text-to-speach friendly at the moment.






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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2016

2015-01-22 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Every village in the Alps have more visitors than inhabitants.

How may inhabitants do you think that Zermatt or Davos or Saint Moritz
have? Probably three times less than the capacity of hosting tourists.

The advantage of this seat is that there are a lot of houses for holidays
available to host wikipedians.

Regards

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:08 AM, Tim Davenport shoehu...@gmail.com wrote:

 A charming Northern Italian village of 775 people for a conference of
 1,000.

 Congratulations indeed on such a bold choice!!!

 So where are people gonna sleep? And what's the nearest international
 airport???


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path

2015-01-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
This is correct, but it supports the question that the board has not a well
defined control.

A good governance says that the responsible should be proactive.

What Chris is saying is perfect, I would not change a word.

It means that it's not in conflict with what your saying, but he is already
in more advanced step.

He has been clear: if something is responsibility of WMF (and the term
responsibility has a well defined meaning), it is responsibility of the
board except the cases where the board has assigned this responsibility to
another body.

It does not mean in charge of.

Regards

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 2015-01-20 14:23 GMT+01:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com:
  It's worth pointing out that the Board *are* responsible, even if they
  aren't involved in the actual decision-making - as they are ultimately
  responsible for everything WMF does.

 Yes, I am aware of that.
 What I was advocating for was a more substantial proof of the fact
 that the board is aware about  these decisions, with the more
 substantial responsability towards the community that this implies.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path

2015-01-20 Thread Ilario Valdelli
This explanation is really correct.

The board is responsible, the board has the mean to control everything is
responsibility of WMF, so the board cannot say to don't know or that they
cannot know.

This is not a personal opinion but it's a principle in every governance's
framework.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
wrote:

 It's worth pointing out that the Board *are* responsible, even if they
 aren't involved in the actual decision-making - as they are ultimately
 responsible for everything WMF does.

 Personally I think the present solution is better than no solution, as
 cross-project disruption is not something the community is particularly
 well-equipped to deal with. However, Dariusz's idea of creating a volunteer
 group of some description to review these actions is definitely worth
 thinking about.
 Chris

 On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Cristian Consonni 
 kikkocrist...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  2015-01-20 14:03 GMT+01:00 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl:
   transparency does not always have to mean full public access to
  information
   (in the cases described by Philippe clearly TMI may be e.g. involving
 the
   community and the foundation in lengthy legal disputes, or endanger a
   discussed individual). However, I definitely understand that we, as a
   community, may have a need to externally confirm the solidity of
  reasoning
   behind bans. I think we already have functionaries of high trust (such
 as
   the Board and/or the stewards) who could oversee the process.
 
  Strong +1.
 
  2015-01-20 13:11 GMT+01:00 Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org:
   As has been explained multiple times in multiple places, the WMF have
  been
   advised, for very good legal reasons, not to give details.
  
   Believe it or not, there's a sensible reason behind our refusal to
  comment:
   we can execute global bans for a wide variety of things (see the Terms
 of
   Use for some examples - and no, provoking Jimbo is not on the list),
  some
   of which - including child protection issues - could be quite dangerous
  to
   openly divulge. Let's say we execute five global bans, and tell you the
   reason behind four of them. Well, the remaining one is pretty clearly
 for
   something really bad, and open knowledge of that could endanger the
  user,
   their family, any potential law enforcement case, and could result in a
   quite real miscarriage of justice and/or someone being placed in real
   physical danger. So no, we - as with most internet companies - have a
  very
   strict policy that we do not comment publicly on the reason for global
  bans.
   It's a common sense policy and one that's followed by - and insisted
  upon -
   by almost every reasonable, responsible company that executes this type
  of
   action. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 04:40, 18
 January
   2015 (UTC)
 
  Fair enough, then we should ask the board to oversight the process
  i.e., in the end, being able to take responsability for the global ban
  infliction. I would not take this as far as require a deliberation
  from the BoT for global bans but it my well be a possibility.
 
  If this is too demanding in terms of time to create a commission to do
  such a task. These people can be bound by any confidentiality terms
  that the legal department consider adeguate.
 
  Don't want to go through community election? Create an appointed board
  of external, indipendent experts for this.
  (say ask somebody from EFF or similar orgs).
 
  C
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I think that the realistic point of view should be another.

There is a potential number of people who can be contributors (contributors
and not readers) but this potential number must be *realistic*.

Anyway these persons should have something to contribute to wikimedia
projects an basically:

a) ability to write (so a sufficient capacity to be active users and not
passive, it means a valid education and knowledge)
b) connection to the network (in order to have a continuous contribution to
the projects)
c) time to spent (volunteers must have time... a woman with children
probably will dedicate her free time to the family)

So there is a digital divide and a gender gap and so on but probably the
barriers cannot be solved within Wikimedia.

For this reason I don't think that half the humans could contribute.
There are barriers (education, digital divide, freetime, etc.) that can
only be partially solved by Wikimedia.

Please don't do the same simpler association number of speakers =
potential number of contributors because that strategy will be *surely*
wrong.

Regards


On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:56 AM, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:



 That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so long
 as it's relevant and factual.


 That's the point; it would not matter if women contributed so long as it's
 relevant and factual. Half the humans that could contribute are not.
 Actually many more than half, as there are barriers other than gender.

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