[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedians of Colorado User Group Annual Report 2019

2020-07-06 Thread Isarra Yos
Wikimedians of Colorado is proud to announce we've published our report for the past year. See it here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Colorado_User_Group/Annual_Report_2019 I'd make a joke about it being the world's shortest report, but I'm sure we'll really outdo ourselves

[Wikimedia-l] Final report for the third round of WikiProject X

2019-09-29 Thread Isarra Yos
I've submitted my final report for the third grant-funded round of WikiProject X. This round of the project was intended to see through finalising current development in order to fully deploy CollaborationKit, a MediaWiki extension intended to overhaul how users maintain and interact with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Wikimania 2019 Early Bird Registration is Now Open!

2019-05-31 Thread Isarra Yos
Are there any plans to add ticket options that are more affordable, especially for volunteers? Even with Early Bird discount, $270 is... a lot, frankly (and after today, $375). Prior to Montreal two years ago (Cape Town last year was also similarly expensive), the registration cost of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you and farewell

2019-05-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 16/05/2019 23:29, Joseph Fox wrote: Maybe let's not turn this into a debate about what epistemology is. Would this really be the Wikimedia we all know and love if we didn't? Regardless, I'm glad Sati took the time to write this up. I thought it was an excellent description of just how

[Wikimedia-l] Annual report for Wikimedians of Colorado User Group for 2018

2019-04-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Hello from Colorado! We're happy to present our annual report for the past year! Please see: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Colorado_User_Group/Annual_Report_2018 We may be scattered across something like five totally different cities, but we do stuff. Thanks, all! For the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suspensions of affiliates

2018-09-19 Thread Isarra Yos
Also apt to be useful information for other affiliates - oh, they did or didn't do blah and it added up to serious problems; we've been heading in that sort of direction too and should probably stop, or similar - often it's things we can all learn from, so if presented as such and handled

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedians of Colorado User Group annual report 2017

2018-08-29 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, The Wikimedians of Colorado User group has published our annual report for 2017, so please check it out here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedians_of_Colorado_User_Group/Annual_Report_2017 Thanks! -I ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] C-team Statement on the Code of Conduct

2018-08-14 Thread Isarra Yos
Sorry, I apparently replied to the wrong mailing list. On 14/08/18 18:19, Isarra Yos wrote: As a total random, I'd also like to second this - as much as I think the CoC and the committee in particular have room to improve in how things are handled, this will never happen without proper support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] C-team Statement on the Code of Conduct

2018-08-14 Thread Isarra Yos
As a total random, I'd also like to second this - as much as I think the CoC and the committee in particular have room to improve in how things are handled, this will never happen without proper support for the work they're doing in the first place. While some of us have been somewhat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia Foundation has soft launched!

2018-08-02 Thread Isarra Yos
Is there any way for us (others outside the team) to file bulk tasks/apply fixes to this? Is the source in gerrit/tasks tracked in phabricator, or is it somewhere else? -I On 02/08/18 01:51, Gregory Varnum wrote: Hello, After many months of work by over 100 individuals around the

[Wikimedia-l] Timeless Newsletter

2018-07-20 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, For anyone not familiar, the Timeless skin has been available as an option on Wikimedia wikis since november or so, and development of the skin is now being funded by a Project Grant. If you're interested in receiving updates about this, I've created a newsletter which should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/06/18 05:01, Natacha Rault wrote: Have a nice day, I have just bought myself a canoe kayak, which is the only way for me not to get entangled in contributing on a bright sunny day. I cant bring my computer on the river! Yes you can, if you have the money for it. They make waterproof

[Wikimedia-l] WikiProject X followup grant to fund finalising CollaborationKit

2018-02-13 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, I'm pleased to announce a proposed followup for WikiProject X, a project previously funded by an Individual Engagement Grant. I have now submitted a Project Grant, according to the new system, with which I intend to complete and fully assess the development of CollaborationKit, the

[Wikimedia-l] Timeless grant resubmission

2018-02-12 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey all, As many of you know, the Timeless skin was deployed for testing across all Wikimedia projects in late November last year. I submitted a Project Grant proposal at the time seeking funding to more actively support for this deployment as well as enable further development based on user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-30 Thread Isarra Yos
This is a great way for them to ensure the rest of the world sees those articles. Sort of. Bit inconveniencing to everyone actually IN Turkey... -I On 30/04/17 12:40, geni wrote: FWIW the two articles the Turkish state is apparently complaining about are:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

2017-04-01 Thread Isarra Yos
imedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion> On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

2017-03-31 Thread Isarra Yos
have a reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for other projects. Thanks, GerardM On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, I'm Isarra, a volunteer Med

[Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

2017-03-28 Thread Isarra Yos
Hi, I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless: * Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster, but to make it worth eventual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

2017-03-23 Thread Isarra Yos
Two things: VE has gotten really easy to install, as long as you don't need the full restbase server (not going into that, not going into that, not going into that). Which is really cool for third-party projects and such. Also a pair of ladies with no prior experience or affiliation with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 09/03/17 20:36, Antoine Musso wrote: The RfC has been going on for almost two years already. Given the flood of announces on a wide range of mailing lists, I don't see how one could have missed it. The flood might be exactly how. Keep being inundated with notices, many people are likely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Isarra Yos
On 26/02/17 18:21, MZMcBride wrote: Then you and others should have no problem providing specific examples. I'd like to see links to Gerrit changesets and Phabricator tasks where this new policy and its committee would help. If you want to make claims of serious unacknowledged problems,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to review: Design Statement of Purpose

2016-11-16 Thread Isarra Yos
pain points - after doing research, we agreed in conjunction with the design group that we should pursue clarifying the purpose of design and validate it with their stakeholders. Does this answer your questions? On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 12:24 PM Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote: I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to review: Design Statement of Purpose

2016-11-10 Thread Isarra Yos
I'm going to ask this here since the talkpage on-wiki is a flow board and I find those very difficult to use, but I'm a bit unclear what the purpose of this is. All the things listed sound good in theory, but the language is ambiguous and very high level, to the point where it's hard to see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] Mobile site is now lazy loading images

2016-09-01 Thread Isarra Yos
On a slow desktop connection, lazy-loading is generally the opposite of what you want - unlike mobile, there's usually no data limit, it just takes awhile getting the data. A common pattern is thus to start a large page loading and then do something else, or just wait for it to finish then.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crisis of Confidence

2016-05-04 Thread Isarra Yos
He isn't asking Dariusz to leave the board, but the position of chair of a particular committee on it. While I have no idea if this is called for either, it seems an important distinction. -I On 03/05/16 04:23, Anthony Cole wrote: Fae, I can see no reason for Dariusz to leave the board. He

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedians of Colorado User Group

2016-03-08 Thread Isarra Yos
Oh, so we should actually start doing stuff? Oh dear. I mean, we do stuff. Of course we do stuff. And thanks everyone! On 07/03/16 03:18, Alex Wang wrote: Congrats! Excited to learn more about your activities. Cheers, Alex On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Sydney Poore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-09 Thread Isarra Yos
Interestingly, having them every other year would make it potentially viable for an entirely new community group to start putting on their own wikimanias, essentially forking the process. On 09/02/16 07:01, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I positively HATE the notion that Wikimania will be once

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-21 Thread Isarra Yos
You just don't get it, do you? Even from the start this was all about social issues with rollouts, and still you are contributing to the very same social problems you so blindly condemned. -I On 20/01/16 14:16, Magnus Manske wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:58 AM Todd Allen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-29 Thread Isarra Yos
On 29/12/15 07:37, MZMcBride wrote: Right, that part isn't surprising. But discounting the unsurprising vote, it was a nearly unanimous decision (8 to 1). I have a good deal of respect for many of the current Board of Trustees members and I have no doubt that all of them understand and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-24 Thread Isarra Yos
On 24/11/15 09:47, Asaf Bartov wrote: On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 1:37 AM, Fæ wrote: Brandon's description of this looking like a 'kiss off', i.e. a spin to make this disappear for another year, seems to meet the facts of what can be observed and measured in a non-subjective

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-23 Thread Isarra Yos
I had a go at simplifying: > We know spending less time on this is a problem, but we're going to try to do better. In order to help with this, we'll also be looking at what's happened in previous years in order to see where things fell short then, comparing that to what the FDC standards say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

2015-11-16 Thread Isarra Yos
Isaac David makes good points, and writing it off as racist and discrimination is ridiculous. The people who did these things may indeed be bloodlusty assholes, but what led them to this is important too, and denying that will only ensure that it is not understood, not addressed. I don't care

[Wikimedia-l] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

2015-11-10 Thread Isarra Yos
From time to time I see references to the 'design team' on lists and on phabricator. But what does this really mean now? As I understood it, the previous monolithic Design Team was essentially disbanded toward the beginning of the year, with the designers themselves distributed amongst the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

2015-11-10 Thread Isarra Yos
pes. On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com <mailto:zhoris...@gmail.com>> wrote: Er, forgot to cc the main list, since I did cross-post in the first place. Sorry about that! On 10/11/15 22:25, Isarra Yos wrote: Hi, thank you for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

2015-11-10 Thread Isarra Yos
Er, forgot to cc the main list, since I did cross-post in the first place. Sorry about that! On 10/11/15 22:25, Isarra Yos wrote: Hi, thank you for your response. This does clarify a lot. Why do you make the distinction that UX designers also do visual when you stated already that you also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing WikiProject X

2015-01-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/01/15 04:01, Keegan Peterzell wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: Sounds like just another enwiki-specific thing. ​That's a reasonable assumption. I'm only guessing, but I think the project is based on the English Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

2015-01-10 Thread Isarra Yos
These are important points, and well said. Thank you. -I On 10/01/15 07:41, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked. What I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When you think that you have permission to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Isarra Yos
I'm just going to preface this by pointing out that I didn't actually read all of the OP due to a philosophical opposition to giant walls of text, but I think you've kind of missed the point in a few places. Also please don't call people names. That's not nice. On 08/01/15 10:52, geni wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Isarra Yos
On 08/01/15 20:04, Austin Hair wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, there's not a single thing I've read, or a single objection I've seen raised, that wasn't about how unnecessary it is to focus on women. I don't think we've ever heard that about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/09/14 18:42, Ilario Valdelli wrote: On 11.09.2014 20:06, James Forrester wrote: On 11 September 2014 10:52, Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: Against the funds of WMF. A second conference open to the public would be a second yearly Wikimania, and to open it means to have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Isarra Yos
On 11/09/14 22:06, Pete Forsyth wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote: Is this really a discussion about the name of a conference or is it more a discussion about inclusion and exclusion with the underlying question if this conference, which once was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 06:13, Erik Moeller wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: The major deficiencies that have long been identified in the current discussion system (and that can be addressed by technology) are all able to be addressed in MediaWiki software or by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Isarra Yos
On 06/09/14 07:41, Erik Moeller wrote: On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: Why in the world would posts not be editable? I've never used a platform where discussion was important in which users couldn't at least edit their own posts (along with mods) where

Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives

2014-09-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 02/09/14 10:56, Ricordisamoa wrote: Il 26/08/2014 12:18, Craig Franklin ha scritto: The editor retention problem will not be solved with technological gizmos and doodads, nor with top-down solutions imposed from above. It will be solved with positive human contact and creating a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Isarra Yos
On 21/08/14 13:24, Risker wrote: On 21 August 2014 09:18, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: For me the conclusion would be not that we should drop them altogether in the mobile version (most of them are useful navigation means after all) but that the mobile version should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/08/14 16:07, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: This is actually not correct. Take pending changes on the English Wikipedia as an example - people used to complain a lot on how RfC's were closed, but this is the business of the community. I have never heard anybody complaining that the trial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept

2014-08-09 Thread Isarra Yos
I got a 404 too. On 09/08/14 14:57, Alex Monk wrote: Not for me... On 9 August 2014 15:27, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:11, James Forrester wrote: [..] https://imgur.com/a/JFN9y​ 404 ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-15 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/07/14 15:11, Quim Gil wrote: On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)? It depends on the area and the problem, but there are enough WMF employees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: List administration policy

2014-07-12 Thread Isarra Yos
I don't really have anything to add, but I think Fae makes some good points here. On 12/07/14 08:04, Fæ wrote: On 12/07/2014, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: ... the door completely with their backdoor continued accusations which are made without a shred of proof. Referring to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/07/14 15:53, Brion Vibber wrote: Perhaps it's time to stop calling self-selected surveys of a tiny subset of our user base community consensus. The vast majority of our user base never logs in, never edits, and never even hears about these RfC pages. Those are the people we're making an

[Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Isarra Yos
Hey, all. Bit of a question, here. Basically, how does comment on the content, not the contributor apply to staff and contractors? What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff have gone too far (besides create drama on a mailing list)? In many of our communities, we have a saying:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 03/07/14 18:16, Pine W wrote: In the past, this mailing list has been used for discussions of staff conduct, which I am not sure is the best idea when identifiable people are involved. I suggest that a first line of approach would be to discuss the matter civilly with the people directly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Signpost is (sort of) published

2014-06-03 Thread Isarra Yos
On 02/06/14 20:14, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 2 June 2014 19:39, Ed Erhart the.e...@gmail.com wrote: There is one person in charge of making the final calls of every issue—me. This is troubling, Wikipedia is supposed to be an open, community-driven initiative. We've seen problems in the past

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

2014-03-10 Thread Isarra Yos
Why not? People know what the words 'read' and 'only' mean. Putting them together should be pretty self explanatory: It can only be read. On 10/03/14 22:32, Michael Peel wrote: Probably not. How about 'archived'? Thanks, Mike On 10 Mar 2014, at 22:22, User Mono userm...@outlook.com wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement for the police about the fundraising?

2014-02-07 Thread Isarra Yos
Who exactly would the webmaster of fi.wikipedia.org even be? On 08/02/14 00:24, Kevin Gorman wrote: My Finnish is hardly perfect, but the letter essentially outlines the Finnish law regarding what is and what isn't money collection activities, and then compares what goes on with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Isarra Yos
On 13/01/14 20:37, Risker wrote: m...@uberbox.orgOf course there already exists a way to thank IP editors. It is to go to their talk page and leave them a message that says Thanks for your edit here [link to diff]. It is far more personal, far more likely to encourage the user to edit further

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/01/14 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote: These are two reason we don't have Thanks for anonymous editors: 1. Anonymous editors don't get notifications 2. Multiple editors often share the same IP address Problem #2 isn't as prominent as it use to be, but there are still many large companies and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner obscuring site interface

2013-12-10 Thread Isarra Yos
On 10/12/13 14:57, David Gerard wrote: True. However, do read the blog post on the need for caution in answering such concerns with metrics. - d. And it's an excellent point to bring up. While I'm sure the fundraising team tries to keep in mind the balance between analytics results and and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-30 Thread Isarra Yos
On 30/10/13 16:32, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * Risker wrote: Just to clarify, since UTC is a confusing time for most of us...is that the minute after 2359 UTC on November 2 (i.e., 7 hours after the first session), or is it the minute after 2359 UTC on November 3? I've seen it used both ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Isarra Yos
Employees have a separate wiki specifically for employee things. The foundationwiki is different from that, serving as a forefront to the movement itself, something which we are all a part of - and that admin access should be reflecting people's specific type of association with the movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Jared Zimmerman joins Wikimedia Foundation as Director of UX

2013-05-07 Thread Isarra Yos
Woot! On 06/05/13 17:44, Erik Moeller wrote: Hi folks, It’s my great pleasure to announce that today, Jared Zimmerman will start as Wikimedia Foundation’s Director of User Experience. As UX Director, Jared will lead the design team and have a hands-on role on the team, contributing his own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

2013-03-29 Thread Isarra Yos
One needn't stick around to establish and maintain a working framework for such - continuity and knowledge-transfer sounds rather like consistency and maintainability of code, where if it is well set up and documented anyone can reasonably pick up where someone else left off. So to ensure

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement *please read*

2013-03-28 Thread Isarra Yos
It's odd, but I think I'm glad - not so much that you're leaving, but where you're going, what you intend to do... somehow I find that comforting... On 27/03/13 22:00, Sue Gardner wrote: Hello Wikimedia community members, This is not an easy e-mail to write, and it’s been a very hard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-23 Thread Isarra Yos
On 23/03/13 21:49, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: The India Education Program was really useful for my learnings before I started coordinating the education program in Brazil. Without them, I could have made similar mistakes. And this is one really important thing about the nature of Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] open positions at WMF

2013-03-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On the other hand, how hard could it be to just write an extension to integrate a wordpress database and interface into a mediawiki? Call it a new namespace on the mediawiki end, and... uh... horrible things on the wordpress end... I was going to say that if I had enough spare time I could

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] open positions at WMF

2013-03-20 Thread Isarra Yos
On 20/03/13 21:09, James Alexander wrote: On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, how hard could it be to just write an extension to integrate a wordpress database and interface into a mediawiki? Call it a new namespace on the mediawiki end