Re: [Wikimedia-l] New GLAM-Wiki Role at Wikimedia Foundation

[Jens Best]

Good news.

Embracing the factor that GLAM and Wikipedia can grow together to enhance
the various possibilities of Free (deep) Knowledge is a good development in
the 15th year of Wikipedia and also to counterbalance the commercialisation
of the internet in this era.

Good that the Foundation in strenghening this area.

Jens

2016-05-20 19:23 GMT+02:00 Jake Orlowitz :

> Hi everyone,
>
> As you may have noticed in the Annual Plan, the Wikimedia Foundation has
> proposed more support of GLAM-Wiki. I want to happily announce that *Alex
> Stinson* will be expanding and transitioning his role as Wikipedia Library
> Coordinator to lead this new position as *GLAM-Wiki Strategist *within the
> Community Engagement department at WMF.  He will continue to report and
> work closely with me in Wikipedia Library land, which I'm very happy about!
>
> I'll let Alex introduce himself and his thoughts on the position, why it
> matters, and what its goals are.
>
> Best,
> Jake Orlowitz
>
> User:Ocaasi (WMF)
>
> Head of the Wikipedia Library
>
> jorlow...@wikimedia.org
>
> --
>
> Hi all!
>
> I am particularly excited to be shifting towards helping with GLAM-Wiki
> support. I plan to bring my long history of working in Wikimedia outreach,
> first as a volunteer in GLAM and the Education program and then as an
> employee with the Wikipedia Library, to improve our global GLAM impact [1].
>
> As we point out in the proposed annual plan, [2] GLAM-Wiki has a long
> history as a programmatic strategy for volunteers and affiliates. These
> programs have collected some of our best content, pushed our technologies
> beyond their limits, and created a considerable volume of contributions
> from both Wikimedians and experts for over 8 years.
>
> However, as these practices become more and more sophisticated and varied,
> volunteers from smaller communities without connections to the leaders of
> successful projects have found themselves unable to replicate this success,
> or replicating many of the mistakes from earlier projects.  At the same
> time, larger initiatives have been hindered by a lack of investment in
> infrastructure and technology.
>
> WMF has been a great supporter of GLAM through grants and affiliate
> support, but we can do more. We haven’t provided consistent global
> connection, communication and support for GLAM-Wiki resources and tools.
> My goal is to help GLAM spread throughout our communities and potentially
> tens of thousands of organizations that - as folks like Liam Wyatt have
> been advocating from the beginning - share our same values: freely sharing
> knowledge with the world.
>
> Below I have outlined our approach for the GLAM-Wiki Strategist role [3]. I
> want to use the next few months to listen and evaluate the needs of the
> communities actively involved in GLAM-Wiki work to make sure that I
> prioritize projects correctly. I am also going to be at Wikimania, and have
> already talked to a number of GLAM-Wiki leaders at Wikimedia Conference.
>
> My role as strategist is to consult, collaborate, organize, and plan.  So,
> please reach out to me with your questions, thoughts, needs or other
> feedback.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex Stinson
>
> GLAM-Wiki Strategist
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> astin...@wikimedia.org
>
> [1] A little about me
>
> I have been working with the Wikipedia Library since May 2014, developing
> the Library’s publisher partnerships, building relationships with dozens of
> community and language leaders across our volunteer movement, crafting a
> broader strategy for engaging the largest libraries and international
> reference networks, and project managing tool and metrics improvements for
> our program.
>
> I also designed and deployed the successful #1Lib1Ref campaign (
> 1lib1ref.org)
> that drew nearly 30,000 viewers, 5 million tweet-impressions, and hundreds
> of participants from the library world to Wikipedia in our first ever
> viral, global micro-contributions drive for quality improvement.
>
> In my volunteer, time I try to stay active as User:Sadads, where I am
> mostly active on English Wikipedia ( >98,000 edits). I have been actively
> writing content about literature and novels since 2008. I have always
> thought of our movement as a community with a lot of opportunities around
> partnerships and collaboration.
>
> I was also one of the early adopters of GLAM-Wiki in the US:  While still
> in college, I approached the Smithsonian in 2010 about a partnership,
> establishing the dialogue which grew to one of our most successful
> long-term cultural partners within the movement. I have learned from those
> early attempts and have led GLAM-Wiki relationships with a handful of
> smaller organizations while in school and as a volunteer.
>
> I am also a long time supporter of the Education program: I was trained as
> part of the Public Policy Initiative's first round of "Campus Ambassadors",
> the project that became first the U.S. and then the Global 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

[Jens Best]

Hi All,

The core problem (as several times before) seems to me that all these broad
discussions are held AFTER things went wrong or a specific meta decision
got out of hand.

Obviously the current transparency of or even the current decision-making
process in its entirety isn't appropiate (anymore) for a movement of such
global variety and plurality.

The BoT is basically paralysed and most probably overstrained, because e.g.
for the sake of the rules of the current construct the relevant power play
decisions must stay non public, not to speak of possible hidden interests
which can conveniently sneak in. And as the icing of the cake a person
asking the wrong questions can easily be removed as a board member.

As much as I care basically more about the subject-oriented debates and the
discourse about the balanced appreciations of values I more and more
convinced that a critical review of the core decision-making processes
become necessary. Not as an end to itself, but to openly rethink the ways
how power and responsibilty in a global, pluralistic movement should be
organized. A movement with the kernel project of an encyclopedia still
being the biggest role model for the idea of an open and free knowledge
based internet (which not necessarily was to follow all the tech and social
media trends relevant to a more commercially oriented platform-monoculture
internet)

It's true, we have to change. But maybe the whys and the hows of change
should be discussed and decided more broadly, more democratically
represented as in the current structure. And especially BEFORE the paths
are already written in stone and the horses have bolted.


Best regards
Jens Best

2016-02-22 17:03 GMT+01:00 Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com>:

> I found this response interesting. It highlights the imbalance we, on the
> outside, are having to deal with. It is OK for anyone to criticize the ED
> on this list and elsewhere but if she says something that implies
> shortcomings on the part of one or more of her staff or former staff - and
> if WMF had problems when she arrived at least some of them were staff
> problems -  it is used as proof she's "literally Hitler".
>
> None of us on the outside knows who's Hitler here. And I guess we never
> will. Sorry, but the volunteers who actually write and run Wikipedia can't
> just believe either of you.
>
> Does anyone know when the board is meeting (has it met) to resolve this? I
> don't want them to rush a poorly thought-through decision but, after a
> while, inaction in a human crisis like this becomes negligent abuse.
> On 22 Feb 2016 10:53 pm, "Giuseppe Lavagetto" <glavage...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Lila,
> >
> > I woke up this morning and as usual I went for my WMF email with my
> coffee.
> >
> > I woke up to read my ED implying that the employee discontent[1] was due
> > to, amongst other things:
> >
> > > We’ve asked for adjustment in attitude towards work, our
> > responsibilities and professional relationships.
> > > We prioritised impact and performance so that we can provide more value
> > to our communities and the world.
> >
> > Now, one easy way to read this, the most obvious one, is that the
> > attitude towards work of the WMF employees was somewhat not right or
> > unprofessional, and that we were lazy and not goal-driven.
> >
> > I would find this inappropriate in an internal email, but you went to
> > state that in public, and I have to admit I find this is deeply
> > offending on a personal and professional level.
> >
> > I restrained from expressing publicly any issues I might have
> > with your own performance; I would love you to not
> > spread covert allegations on my performace and professional attitude
> > (not specifically, but well, I'm part of the staff here right?).
> >
> > For the first time in the two years since I joined the WMF I felt a
> > sour taste in my mouth for just sitting down to work.
> >
> > Deeply sad,
> >
> > Giuseppe
> > [1]
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-01-06/News_and_notes
> > "WMF Staff morale"
> > --
> > Giuseppe Lavagetto
> > Senior Technical Operations Engineer, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Massive Online Open Course about Wikipedia

[Jens Best]

Inspiring idea. Good luck with the progress.

Jens Best

2015-12-14 17:02 GMT+01:00 Berard Myriam <myriam.ber...@wikimedia.fr>:

> Hello everyone,
>
> For a few months now, 15 French-speaking Wikipedia editors, supported by
> Wikimédia France, have been working to design a Massive Online Open Course,
> to learn how to contribute to Wikipedia and discover more about the way it
> works.
>
> The WikiMOOC lasts for 5 weeks (with 2,5h of work/ week, including the
> duration of the courses). You can check out the project page on Wikipedia
> [1].
>
> The registration for this WikiMOOC opens today, on the FUN [2] platform
> (powered by the Ministry of Education and Research, in France) !
>
> The courses will start on February 22nd, 2016.
>
> Do not hesitate to share this information to all French-speaking
> communities you might know of. Please, note that it is possible to stay
> tuned via WikiMOOC's Twitter[3] and Facebook[4] accounts.
>
> Here is a short trailer about the WikiMOOC in French :) Enjoy ! [5]
>
> Please, feel free to reach out to me if you have any questions,
>
>
> Jules Xénard jules.xen...@wikimedia.fr
>
> Wikimédia France
>
> [1] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:WikiMOOC
>
> [2]
>
> https://www.france-universite-numerique-mooc.fr/courses/WMFr/86001/session01/about
>
> [3] https://twitter.com/wikimooc
> [4] https://www.facebook.com/Wikimooc/
> [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=assiAnG3lv4
>
>
> --
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> Wikimédia France
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

[Jens Best]

Patricio writes:

"*we **have important issues to address in the near future.*"

Does that mean:

"So, we don't want to be disturbed by maybe another 'asking the wrong
questions'-guy we again have then to get rid of in the process by "losing
trust in him". We'll better stick to people from who we already know that
they will "function" in the current system"?


2016-01-29 16:27 GMT+01:00 Patricio Lorente :

> Dear all,
>
>
> I am happy to announce the Board intends to fill the open community Trustee
> seat at our meeting this weekend. On Saturday, María Sefidari will accept
> an appointment to the Board of Trustees, stepping into the third
> community-nominated seat. The appointment will last the remainder of the
> two year term, until Wikimania 2017.
>
>
> Many of you know María. She previously served as a community-selected
> Trustee from August 2013 to July 2015. In the most recent 2015 community
> elections, she received the next highest support percentage, and highest
> number of support votes. She was born and lives in Madrid, Spain, and has
> been a contributor to the Wikimedia projects since 2006. She was a founding
> member of Spanish Wikipedia's LGBT Wikiproject, Wikimedia España, and
> Wikimujeres Grupo de Usuarias. She has also served on the Affiliations and
> Individual Engagement Grants committees. María is passionate about the role
> of diversity in our strategic efforts to retain and increase editorship,
> and improving channels for community participation in Foundation governance
> and policymaking.
>
>
> We consulted with the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee before
> deciding how to proceed in identifying a new Trustee. They offered
> thoughtful feedback on the possible available options, and we’re grateful
> for their considerations. (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2015#2015_Foundation_Elections_Committee_thoughts_on_how_to_fill_the_vacancy_in_the_Board_after_the_removal_of_James_Heilman
> >
> )
>
>
> We are certain many of you are wondering why we decided against holding
> another election. We did consider the option, but the disadvantages
> outweighed the benefits. The last election was well-attended, and still
> quite recent. Holding a new election would take considerable time, and we
> have important issues to address in the near future. It was important to us
> that the community perspective is fully represented in these conversations,
> without delay. We also didn’t want to distract from the affiliate Trustee
> selection process, which is coming up soon.
>
>
> I am excited by the dedication, compassion, and experience María brings to
> the Board at a crucial time. We are confident she will serve our mission
> with wisdom and grace.
>
>
> Please join me in congratulating our friend María, and thanking her service
> to our movement.
>
>
> Patricio
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

[Jens Best]

Hi,

thanks Andrew for bringing Magnus' words into the mailinglist-discussion. I
would like to balance the direct critic made by Magnus with an attempt to
differentiate the matter at hand a bit.

The obvious attempt to frame "the community" as conservative and not open
to changes is a clever narrative, but it is wrong in its generalizing
conclusion.

The narrative which is trying to tell a story of a progressive,
future-aware and tech-oriented Foundation and a "nothing has to
change"-community is wrong, no matter how often it is told.

There is not only one way to the future of Wikipedia, but many.
There is not only one way to implement tech innovation into the
Wikiprojects.

But tech innovation should support the factual kernel of the movement idea
- which is to build an encylopedia written for humans by humans.
Not primarily for databases, not primarily for crawlers, no primarily for a
"Knowledge Engine" (what ever that supposed to be in the end).

Tech innovations which try to replace quality human editing are not a good
idea.
Tech innovations which try to reduce the encylopedia to a
question/answer-machine are maybe fashionable and trendy, but do not fit to
the idea of an encylopedia. They could be an addition, but not if they
endanger the kernel.

I was an outspoken supporter of the idea of Wikidata. But I now realize
that this great idea is used to work against the human editors of the
Wikipedia. This isn't the way Wikidata was sold to the public in the
beginning. And it is surely not the way it is welcome in Wikipedia.

The idea of connecting the informations in Wikipedia with other sources of
free knowledge to give people the chance to build a variety of better tools
based upon it is a great idea - the way it is done is not good.

The idea of creating tech tools that relieve human editors from reiterating
work and along the way implementing structured data into the workflows of
Wikipedia (and other projects) is a great idea - the way it is done is not
good and is pointing in a wrong direction.

I'm a big fan of new users and while in many different circumstances
introducing new people to Wikipedia I'm trying to think of procedures how
this can be done in more efficient, inviting and understanding ways.

I agree with Magnus when it comes to new users. More new users (specialists
and generalists) are a critical and challenging endeavor.
I don't agree with Magnus when it comes to "new technologies" which are in
the medium term changing the encylopedia in a Q/A-machine.

I believe in people, I don't believe in a Wiki-version of HAL 9000.

Best regards,
Jens Best

2016-01-18 14:34 GMT+01:00 Andrew Lih <andrew@gmail.com>:

> There’s an excellent profile of Magnus Manske in the Wikimedia blog today.
> It’s hard to think of people more important to the movement than Magnus has
> been since 2001.
>
> Selected quotes: "...we have gone from slowdown to standstill; the
> interface has changed little in the last ten years or so, and all the
> recent changes have been fought teeth-and-claw by the communities,
> especially the larger language editions. From the Media Viewer, the Visual
> Editor, to Wikidata transclusion, all have been resisted by vocal groups of
> editors, not because they are a problem, but because they represent
> change... all websites, including Wikipedia must obey the Red Queen
> hypothesis: you have to run just to stand still. This does not only affect
> Wikipedia itself, but the entire Wikimedia ecosystem... if we wall our
> garden against change, against new users, new technologies our work of 15
> years is in danger of fading away... we are in an ideal position to try new
> things. We have nothing to lose, except a little time.”
>
> Link:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2016/01/18/fifteen-years-wikipedia-magnus-manske/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The documentary film of Wikimedia Argentina now available. Happy birthday Wikipedia!

[Jens Best]

Hi Yury,

attached the srt-file.

If you use the timecode one to one, please check if it matches every line
in the new language. Sometimes timecodes have to be adopted because of
different "flow" of reading in different languages.

Best,

Jens



2016-01-16 12:26 GMT+01:00 Yury Bulka :

> Fantastic work, Anna!
>
> Do you have the subtitles (*.srt) file so we can start translating the
> subtitles? I'd like to translate in into Ukrainian and share here)
>
> Best,
> Yury Bulka
> from Wikimedia Ukraine
>
> Anna Torres  writes:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Wikimedia Argentina has been working the last 6 months on a documentary
> > film based on the community, the editors and their work.
> >
> > Some weeks ago I sent you the trailer and now, after the party for the
> 15th
> > anniversary has passed and the film has already been launched in
> Argentina,
> > we are pleased to be sharing with you the result.
> >
> > Please, find it on the following links (all with subtitles in english)
> >
> > Wikimedia Commons->
> > In spanish:  here
> > 
> > In english -> here
> > 
> >
> > Youtube->here <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXokeuQFJnM=youtu.be>
> >
> > Vimeo:here 
> >
> > Hope you like it
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[Wikimedia-l] How to disseminate free knowledge? Was: Profile of Magnus Manske

[Jens Best]

Hi Magnus,

thanks for bringing yourself into the discussion.

I agree on several aspects you point out in the first half of your mail
about improvements, expectations and "prominent subgroups".

When it comes to re-emphasize this "castle"-narrative, I had the feeling
you wanna connect reasonable ideas of other ways into the future with all
the nay-sayers you described so detailed before. Same goes for the
"Wikidata is killing Wikipedia"-statement. Nobody in this
mailinglist-thread used this word "killing" or similiarly hard analogies.


So, what's again is the mission? You say: Dissemination of free knowledge.
Well, who would disagree on that. Nobody. But wait, isn't the whole
strategic debate about *HOW *to disseminate free knowledge? And assuming
that a simple "the more third parties use the Wikiprojects knowledge the
more we fulfill our mission"-answer is…wrong.

Even if 400 million of the 500 million (or so) readers would visit the
Wikipedia just to look up the birthday of Elvis Presley, it is *the
*characteristic
feature of an encylopedia in general and Wikipedia in special that you can
discover more knowledge about Elvis even without asking or even knowing
that you wanna know more about Elvis.

Knowledge unequals information. Knowledge is information plus culture, plus
personal interests, plus serendipity. That's why the same article has
different arrangements in different languages. That's why it is not only
about the facts, but also about the overview of the possible
classifications around the facts a good article is presenting.

Knowledge is about discovering and not about checking some facts with a
Q app. So the question is surely not about should we disseminate
free knowledge, but how can this be done with a spirit that comes from the
idea of an encyclopedia. Information is in the machine. Knowledge is in the
people. Without the (editing, programming, linking) people as an integral
part of the "dissemination procedure" the mission isn't the mission of
Wikipedia.

This idea might be not that fashionably going together with the recent
trends in web tech business developments, but it is surely not
"conservative" or castle-wall-building as some people try to frame it.
It is also not easy. It is even more complicate than good writing good
code, because it is about involving more people in this not so trendy, not
so quick'n'dirty, not so infotainmental, mobile app-stylish way of
"knowledge dissemination".

So the debate is not about castle-building, but about how we together
re-shaping the ship called Wiki(pedia) to sail a daily demanding longterm
mission and not following every techbubble-trends just because "more is
better".

I hope that the upcoming strategic debate is as open as it needs to be. A
strategic debate which framework is already decided upon would only
increase the distance created also by recent events.

I hope this clarifies my POV, and doesn't offend too many people ;-)

Best regards,
Jens Best



2016-01-18 21:33 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com>:

> OK, long thread, I'll try to answer in one here...
>
> * I've been writing code for over thirty years now, so I'm the first to say
> that technology in not "the" answer to social or structural issues. It can,
> however, mitigate some of those issues, or at least show new ways of
> dealing with them
>
> * New things are not necessarily good just because they are new. What seems
> to be an improvement, especially for a technical mind, can be a huge step
> backwards for the "general population". On the other hand, projects like
> the Visual Editor can make work easier for many people, but few of them
> will realize what a daunting undertaking such a project is. The complexity
> of getting this right is staggering. Expectations of getting it all
> perfect, all feature-complete, on the initial release, are unrealistic to
> say the least. And many of the details can not be tested between a few
> developers; things need to be tested under real-world conditions, and
> testing means they can break. Feedback about problems with a software
> release are actually quite welcome, but condemning an entire product
> forever because the first version didn't do everything 100% right is just
> plain stupid. If Wikipedia had been judged by such standards in 2001, there
> would be no Wikipedia today, period. Technology improves all the time, be
> it Visual Editor, Media Viewer, or Wikidata; but in the community, there is
> a sense of "it was bad, it must be still bad", and I have a feeling that
> this is extended to new projects by default these days.
>
> * In summary, what I criticize is that few people ask "how can we make this
> better"; all they ask is "how can we get rid of it". This attitude prevents
&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

[Jens Best]

Really nice Video.

Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video
which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality.
But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video usable
also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.

Jens

2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell :

> Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
>
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke with
> > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their music
> in
> > our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
> >
> > On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink  wrote:
> >
> > > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> > >
> > >
> > > Arne Wossink
> > >
> > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > >
> > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > >
> > > *Postadres*: *
> > > Bezoekadres:*
> > > Postbus 167Mariaplaats
> 3
> > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > >
> > > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink :
> > >
> > > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome to
> > have
> > > > it on Commons.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Arne Wossink
> > > >
> > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > >
> > > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > > >
> > > > *Postadres*:
> > > > * Bezoekadres:*
> > > > Postbus 167
> Mariaplaats
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

[Jens Best]

Nice try, GerardM,

but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some access
providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.

Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the web
became great is wrong.

And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.

J

2015-11-26 19:39 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
> When you edit it out, you no longer represent why the Erasmus Foundation
> gave the Erasmus prize to our community.
>
> So edit it out and do appreciate that it no longer represents the reason
> why the award was given to us. It will be wrong even under the right
> license.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 15:54, Jens Best <best.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Really nice Video.
> >
> > Sadly some Wikipedia Zero-stuff was smuggled in at the end of the video
> > which makes the whole thing propagating the violation of net neutrality.
> > But it's under the right licence to edit this out and make the video
> usable
> > also for people who care about free knowledge and net neutrality.
> >
> > Jens
> >
> > 2015-11-26 11:12 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Did anyone get a close-up picture of the stradivarius?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hoi,
> > > > There was a real nice musical intermezzo, violin and piano. I spoke
> > with
> > > > the pianist and the violinist and they are happy when we use their
> > music
> > > in
> > > > our article(s) on the Erasmus prize :)
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >  GerardM
> > > >
> > > > PS nothing formal was done, but it was said all the same :)
> > > >
> > > > On 26 November 2015 at 09:35, Arne Wossink <woss...@wikimedia.nl>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just saw that it already has such a license.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Arne Wossink
> > > > >
> > > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > >
> > > > > Tel. +31 (0)6 11000505
> > > > >
> > > > > *Postadres*: *
> > > > > Bezoekadres:*
> > > > > Postbus 167
> > Mariaplaats
> > > 3
> > > > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > > > >
> > > > > Op 26 november 2015 09:30 schreef Arne Wossink <
> woss...@wikimedia.nl
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Is this going to be released under a CC license? Would be awesome
> > to
> > > > have
> > > > > > it on Commons.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arne Wossink
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Projectleider / Project Lead Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > Mariaplaats
> > > > 3
> > > > > > 3500 AD  Utrecht Utrecht
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-11-26 8:21 GMT+01:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Beautiful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8wFdnPfVw
> > > > > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [GLAM] Video: "Wikipedia, an introduction - Erasmus Prize 2015"

[Jens Best]

Well, then this is a cheap success for the propaganda for a project started
by the Foundation which has nothing to do with the community which is
creating and editing the Wikipedia.

- WP0 is a clear violation of net neutrality and therefore undermines the
ground on which an open croudsourcing project is based.

- Also the low numbers of involvement through WP0 are evidence that this is
a pure marketing project run by the Foundation for the Foundation and
realiter doesn't contribute to the big ideas with which it is sold.

- Additionally the Foundation isn't answering questions about the limits
and ending of WP0 for over 1,5 years now. A project - officially sold to
bring the poor of the Global South into Wikipedia - is spreading in
developed countries where its only purpose is to give the "partnering
access provider" a marketing campaign named "Wikipedia for free".

If the Erasmus Prize is really essentially connected to Wikipedia Zero
(which I still don't think) than maybe somebody has to inform the office of
the Praemium Erasmianum Foundation about the numbers and the facts of this
questionable endevaour. I still hope that the prize was recieved because
Wikipedia is the biggest cultural project mankind every started.

J



2015-11-26 20:01 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru>:

> On 2015-11-26 19:48, Jens Best wrote:
>
>> Nice try, GerardM,
>>
>> but I don't think that the Erasmus Prize was given to Wikipedia because
>> some people in the Foundation made same questionable deals with some
>> access
>> providers in the Global South. Zero-Rating is a clear violation of the net
>> neutrality principle and many NGOs in the Global South do not appreciate
>> that WMF is undermining these principles for pushing the brand Wikipedia.
>>
>> Spreading the free knowledge by undermining the principles on which the
>> web
>> became great is wrong.
>>
>> And the video is much better without this WP0-propaganda in it.
>>
>> J
>>
>
> Actually, Wikipedia Zero was explicitly cited in the laudation when the
> prize was awarded. We may like it or not but it was an integral part of the
> prize.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Partnership policy - Wikimédia France

[Jens Best]

Great inspiritional definitions and listing, Anne-Laure. Also it's good to
see some facts which always thought to be self-evident and understood
written down in such a well-structured form.
Thanks for posting.


Jens

2015-04-20 16:10 GMT+02:00 Anne-Laure Prévost 
annelaure.prev...@wikimedia.fr:

 Hi everyone,

 Wikimédia France has recently issued its partnership policy :
 you can find it on Meta both in French [1] and in English [2].

 The objective of such a policy is to help communicate our vision of
 partnerships and share it with future partners and stakeholders. It
 includes our service offering (which is almost finalized) to clarify our
 scope of activity.

 If you have any questions/remarks or your own example of such a policy,
 please feel free to get in touch !

 Regards,
 Anne-Laure

 [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Démarche_partenariale
 [2]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Démarche_partenariale/en



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

[Jens Best]

 quick thoughts,

Jens


2015-04-01 23:47 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net:

 OK, you say 'There must be another way to work for the value of free
 knowledge for the people', so what is it?
 Peter
 (also in the global south)

 -Original Message-
 From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jens Best
 Sent: 31 March 2015 09:27 AM
 To: Wikimedia Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President
 of Strategic Partnerships

 Dear Gerard,

 your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white,
 privileged and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways how
 first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong,
 non-open internet in developing countries is just plain emotional
 rhetoric far away from any fact.

 Wikipedia Zero is NOT bringing the free knowledge of the world to the
 people, it's bringing Wikipedia to the people, not more, not less. Also,
 zero-rating is helping to establish user habits which are used to have
 different prices for different kinds of data - That is the clearest
 violation of net neutrality and therefore of an open and free web.

 Ignoring this is just helping the (first-world-led) Telecoms to establish
 NOT a free internet which also helped to create something like Wikipedia,
 but a walled garden system where you pay for different data of even (as it
 is the case e.g. in some parts of India) different websites. I think that
 it is ignorant to profit only short-term by bringing a Walled Wikipedia to
 the people and having Wikipedia in this exclusive deal in comparison to
 establish a sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than
 Wikipedia) to the people.

 There must be another way to work for the value of free knowledge for the
 people but to destroy net neutrality and the experience of an open web in
 the very beginning at the same time. It is the duty of WMF to take care
 also of the framework which enabled Wikipedia in the start. Ignoring this
 and being proud of having a comfortable deal with some Telecoms is plain
 wrong and irresponsible - especially for a free and open digital
 development of the Global South.

 best regards

 Jens Best

 2015-03-31 9:05 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

  Hoi,
  With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would
  not have otherwise. It is well established that having information
  readily available is an important indicator for further development.
  Not having Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than
 having it.
 
  Your argument is imho a bleeding heart stance. Would it not be better
 if..
  My answer is sure HOWEVER given that the objective of Wikipedia is to
  share in the sum of all knowledge, your argument is decidedly
  secondary. Sources may be important but they are secondary to having
  the information available in the first place. As long as we have
  sources in full blown Wikipedia, as long as it is WMF that provides
  the Wikipedia Zero content... what is your point. Yes, ideally we want
  people to ensure that people know about sources. When sources are just
  statements of fact and they are in turn not accessible because of cost.
 What is your point in practical terms?
 
  Wikipedia Zero is very much a fulfillment of our aspirations. Do not
  forget who you are: white, privileged and well educated. What you
  propose is taking away something that you take for granted. Not nice.
  Thanks,
GerardM
 
  On 30 March 2015 at 20:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption
   case[1] has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero.
  
   Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia
   users
  who:
  
   - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users
  cannot
   even see which statements *are* sourced and to what)
   - Cannot view alternative sources
   - Cannot meaningfully edit Wikipedia (lacking access to new sources)
  
   At the same time, Wikipedia Zero creates a monopoly position for
  Wikipedia
   that makes the site an even greater target for manipulation by local
   elites, who *do* enjoy full read/write access to Wikipedia. Such
  monopolies
   are fundamentally incompatible with the values underlying the idea
   of a free and open web. Monopolies ultimately result in *control*
   rather than
   *freedom* of information.
  
   The Wifione case illustrates that even in the English Wikipedia
   attempts
  at
   manipulation, focused on topics that the average Wikipedia
   contributor
  has
   little interest in or knowledge about, can be successful and remain
   undetected for years. Small, regional-language Wikipedias are far
   more unstable still, as the example of the Croatian Wikipedia
   demonstrated all too clearly.
  
   Wikipedia is far too vulnerable to become

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

[Jens Best]

Dear Gerard,

your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white, privileged
and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways how
first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong,
non-open internet in developing countries is just plain emotional
rhetoric far away from any fact.

Wikipedia Zero is NOT bringing the free knowledge of the world to the
people, it's bringing Wikipedia to the people, not more, not less. Also,
zero-rating is helping to establish user habits which are used to have
different prices for different kinds of data - That is the clearest
violation of net neutrality and therefore of an open and free web.

Ignoring this is just helping the (first-world-led) Telecoms to establish
NOT a free internet which also helped to create something like Wikipedia,
but a walled garden system where you pay for different data of even (as it
is the case e.g. in some parts of India) different websites. I think that
it is ignorant to profit only short-term by bringing a Walled Wikipedia to
the people and having Wikipedia in this exclusive deal in comparison to
establish a sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than
Wikipedia) to the people.

There must be another way to work for the value of free knowledge for the
people but to destroy net neutrality and the experience of an open web in
the very beginning at the same time. It is the duty of WMF to take care
also of the framework which enabled Wikipedia in the start. Ignoring this
and being proud of having a comfortable deal with some Telecoms is plain
wrong and irresponsible - especially for a free and open digital
development of the Global South.

best regards

Jens Best

2015-03-31 9:05 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not
 have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily
 available is an important indicator for further development. Not having
 Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than having it.

 Your argument is imho a bleeding heart stance. Would it not be better if..
 My answer is sure HOWEVER given that the objective of Wikipedia is to share
 in the sum of all knowledge, your argument is decidedly secondary. Sources
 may be important but they are secondary to having the information available
 in the first place. As long as we have sources in full blown Wikipedia, as
 long as it is WMF that provides the Wikipedia Zero content... what is your
 point. Yes, ideally we want people to ensure that people know about
 sources. When sources are just statements of fact and they are in turn not
 accessible because of cost. What is your point in practical terms?

 Wikipedia Zero is very much a fulfillment of our aspirations. Do not forget
 who you are: white, privileged and well educated. What you propose is
 taking away something that you take for granted. Not nice.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 30 March 2015 at 20:37, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

  The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption case[1]
  has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero.
 
  Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia users
 who:
 
  - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users
 cannot
  even see which statements *are* sourced and to what)
  - Cannot view alternative sources
  - Cannot meaningfully edit Wikipedia (lacking access to new sources)
 
  At the same time, Wikipedia Zero creates a monopoly position for
 Wikipedia
  that makes the site an even greater target for manipulation by local
  elites, who *do* enjoy full read/write access to Wikipedia. Such
 monopolies
  are fundamentally incompatible with the values underlying the idea of a
  free and open web. Monopolies ultimately result in *control* rather than
  *freedom* of information.
 
  The Wifione case illustrates that even in the English Wikipedia attempts
 at
  manipulation, focused on topics that the average Wikipedia contributor
 has
  little interest in or knowledge about, can be successful and remain
  undetected for years. Small, regional-language Wikipedias are far more
  unstable still, as the example of the Croatian Wikipedia demonstrated all
  too clearly.
 
  Wikipedia is far too vulnerable to become the gatekeeper for information
 in
  developing countries -- if such a gatekeeper were even desirable (which
 it
  is not).
 
  To give another example, I see that Wikipedia Zero is available in
  Kazakhstan.
 
  Jimmy Wales recently asserted on Reddit that the Kazakh government does
  not control the Kazahk *[sic]* Wikipedia.[2]
 
  The Kazakh government, however, seems to disagree with Jimmy Wales.[3]
 
  The Kazakh Prime Minister's official website has stated since 2011 that
 the
  Kazakh Wikipedia project is implemented under the auspices of the
  Government of Kazakhstan and with the support of Prime Minister Karim
  Massimov, quoting the head

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

[Jens Best]

Dear James,

your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer,
but as I can't see my answering mail  to Gerard's input from yesterday
published in this mailinglist so I will wait until this moderated.

When I see that my email with the answer to Gerard is published in the
mailinglist I will take the time to explain you why net neutrality is more
than you suggest and why we need to be a little bit less starry-eyed when
it comes to the reasons why telecoms are behaving sooo nice to Wikipedia.
Also I will add some remarks about why a little bit more humbleness from
the we are the knowledge of the world-fraction would be appropiated in
the whole discussion.

best regards

Jens

2015-04-01 18:37 GMT+02:00 James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com:

 Jens,

 Why do you say net neutrality has anything to do with price? It's about
 best-effort delivery of packets without censorship or, for example,
 treating packets that say do you want to join our radical fundamentalist
 agnostic cell, the same way as we treat packets that say, do you want to
 subscribe to our newsletter.

 In 1973, the packet switching X.25 systems which resemble today's internet
 more closely than the IMP point-to-point testing at the time had no
 provisions for packet inspection or quality of service adjustments. But
 if you didn't subscribe to a database that you might want to access (which
 may or may not cost money) then you had no access because if there were no
 login credentials then you could tell everyone how to use the database when
 it could only handle on the order of dozens of users at a time. What you
 want in saying that you think zero rating violates net neutrality is the
 MIT open Multics movement, which exists on the internet today in the form
 of free and ad-supported hosting services like Wikia. Net neutrality is
 about no preferred qualities of packet delivery service, because those
 are best handled by adaptive rate coding at the application layer, which is
 what the WMF causes the implementation of when they contract with cell
 carriers to allow access to Wikipedia content for no charge. The fact that
 Wikipedia is civilization's best summary of accumulated knowledge so far is
 the reason why carriers are willing to provide the transmission power to
 their users at no charge in areas where they still ordinarily compete on a
 per-bit fee. That is an economic application design choice that has nothing
 to do with packet delivery choices.

 Similarly, in the 1860s the Hayes printing telegraph ticker tape had no
 restrictions on who could send a transmission or what it's content might
 be, and in cases of congestion, the operator noticing a collision first
 would back off, and the other would re-transmit in an egalitarian
 fashion, but the data you sent would obtain a response in proportion to the
 amount the recipient was being paid.

 Wikipedia Zero is a great program and I hope something like Wikiversity
 Zero assessments will be how hundreds of millions of people learn new facts
 pertinent to their lives and helpful to them in ten years. With adaptive
 instruction coupled to Wikipedia Accuracy Review, I believe that such a
 system will support the transition from creating new articles to
 maintaining existing content. I hope both the WMF and the WEF support this
 effort, because if the WEF was paying for it, it would likely not influence
 the safe harbor provisions protecting the WMF from legal liability due to
 inaccuracies. I am sad when dictatorships use Wikipedia Zero for propaganda
 purposes, but I am not sure how much of a problem that is relative to the
 advantages.

 Best regards,
 James Salsman



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

[Jens Best]

Hi Nathan and everybody,

Last time I checked my mail (containing my repsonse to Gerard) wasn't
published and as I sent it yesterday morning I'm suprised that it took that
long to arrive.

Also, I would like you to stop your wrong assumptions about off-topic -
As Gerard made a statement to Wikipedia Zero my answer to him isn't surely
off topic. I didn't decide to discuss the pros/cons of WP0 in the
Welcome-Mail to Kourosh.
In my welcoming response I just pointed out to Kourosh that one of his new
responsibilities (highlighted by Lila) is a big problem for the global
community which cares about an open and free web, inculding several NGOs of
the Global South who spoke out clearly against Wikipedia Zero e.g. at the
Internet Governance Forum (IGF) 2014 in Istanbul (where net neutrality was
a main subject of discussion). As this subject was subsequentially
discussed in the threat my answer to Gerard's input was not off-topic at
all.

Right now I don't feel any open-mindedness towards even the possibilitiy
that The Great WMF could have made a mistake by going to bed with the
telecoms to get zero-rated. As long as there isn't even the slightest
willingness to acknowledge the possibility that WP0 was a mistake it
becomes more and more senseless to talk with official and inofficial
representatives of the WMF-system.

Maybe WMF and with it Wikipedia has to learn the consequences of its
mistakes the hard way. But the ignorance towards facts which was presented
over the last months when it comes to the glorious Wikipedia Zero and the
fact that it is a violation of core principle of the free and open web is
enourmous and without any excuse for an organisation carrying that amount
of responsibility when it comes to stand for an open web which made
Wikipedia possible in the first.

Hopefully with Kourosh the organisation will get somebody who has the
outside-world experience and the professional courage to stop mistakes like
Wikipedia Zero. We'll see. Apart from that I rest my case, all the
recurring participants in the ongoing discussion exchanged their arguments
already. I don't see new faces in the discussion and therefore I'm actually
not interested to repeat my arguments over and over.

Just, because I promised him, two main answer to James:

- Of course net neutrality has a monetary aspect. Read the
definition[1]: …treat
all data on the Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet equally,
not discriminating or *charging differentially* by content, site, platform,
application, type of attached equipment, or mode of communication. If you
have to pay different prices for different data it is a basic violation of
net neutrality. net neutrality isn't about techy aspects, it is about power
and structural equality in the web.

- Wikipedia Zero can't offer the promised grow because by definition it is
a *Walled Wikipedia*. WP0 will always be just a marketing tool for telecoms
to lure new customers in and train them that different data has different
price tag. Their teachings are: When you wanna leave Wikipedia, wanna
follow the links to really enrich your knowledge by using all the other
free content in the web - you have to pay. So therefore Wikipedia Zero is
not about the free knowledge of the world, it is a Wikipedia which has
chosen the wrong side of the play about a free and open web for the
self-involved purpose of being the one and only source for knowledge.
Welcome to world of first-world-owned telecoms teaching their new Global
South-customers an internet far away from what the internet was supposed
to be.


cheers

Jens

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

PS: @Marc No Marc, no bits of my message were accidentally elided. When I
write in a mailinglist I, of course, express my opinion and my points of
view, but your nit-picking and pseudo-kind cynical remarks additionally
prove how biased the whole discussion is at the moment in the WMF-universe.
Critics are not welcome. Message recieved, continue with your holy mission.
Hail Wikipedia, the mother of all knowledge available to the poor!

2015-04-01 19:20 GMT+02:00 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:

 Jens - your reply to Gerard on the other thread (where it is surely off
 topic) was published a couple of hours ago.

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Jens Best best.j...@gmail.com wrote:

  Dear James,
 
  your praising of WP0 surely deserves or even needs an appropiated answer,
  but as I can't see my answering mail  to Gerard's input from yesterday
  published in this mailinglist so I will wait until this moderated.
 
  When I see that my email with the answer to Gerard is published in the
  mailinglist I will take the time to explain you why net neutrality is
 more
  than you suggest and why we need to be a little bit less starry-eyed when
  it comes to the reasons why telecoms are behaving sooo nice to Wikipedia.
  Also I will add some remarks about why a little bit more humbleness from
  the we are the knowledge of the world-fraction would

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[Jens Best]

 it sometimes feels right
in the first moment, but it lays the wrong groundworks. The internet then
becomes a place were open innovation (societal and economic-wise) becomes
more difficult or even impossible - so the main function of the web is
dead.
But Wikipedia needs this open air to breathe and to evolve. Free Knowledge,
Open Data and GLAM need this open air to evolve - a network were you pay
different prices for different kind of data (even if it is actually all the
same 0s and 1s) isn't the internet anymore. Wikipedia becomes the Facebook
of encyclopedias, there will be only one knowledge and that is Wikipedia
knowledge - not sure if that was anything to do with what Wikipedians
really drives.

Wikipedia Zero isn't leading this process, it is a tool in the hands of the
telecoms. They surely have a lot of nice words for WMF-representatives,
because, hej, they get the 6th biggest global website with mini datavolume
for FREE to use it for one of their main marketing targets: Teach the
people that different data/websites have different prices. - Apart from all
the good arguments about spreading the knowledge I think we need to be
aware of our responsibilities in the big picture. And that argument isn't a
white, privileged argument, but one which cares about keeping the core of
the web free and open and let not fall it in the hands of access dealers
and their economic interests.

thanks for reading

best regards

Jens

2015-04-01 18:02 GMT+02:00 Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com:

 Hi Jens,

 In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then?
 Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the
 dark?  We talk of a more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is
 far more than Wikipedia)”, yet we’re not seeing anything coming out of this
 discussion.

 I will be brutally honest to everyone in this mailing list: this entire
 discussion about Wikipedia Zero and net neutrality has become very
 patronizing against us in the developing world who benefit from the
 program.  The fact that we’re having this discussion without developing
 world voices (other than myself) is already troubling in itself since, so
 far, every discussion about Wikipedia Zero that I’ve seen only includes
 those white, privileged and well-educated people” who you defend.

 And yet you guys talk as if you know what’s best for the developing
 world.  That’s the tone that I’ve been sensing in this entire discussion
 thus far, and I’m sorry, but it’s not helpful.  Please don’t speak as if
 you guys know what it’s like on the ground in Asia or Africa.

 I’ve had to swallow my own pride just to accept the fact that net
 neutrality has to take the back burner to bringing more information out
 there to people.  I have always believed in net neutrality as a means of
 ensuring a free and open Internet to everybody.  But if you’re in a country
 like the Philippines where the majority of people don’t even have the
 luxury of going online (and if you do, it’s bloody expensive), then having
 access to some information—even if that information is imperfect—is still
 better than none at all, since at least we can still correct any
 misinformation that may arise.  And as Wikipedians, we are in a position to
 do just that through ensuring that our content is well-monitored, neutral
 and comprehensive so that at least there’s a multitude of viewpoints
 present even if the information is coming from a single source.

 We should make people in the developing world aware of net neutrality,
 yes, but we must also be careful to consider the existing socio-economic
 conditions of the countries where this program has been deployed.  I am all
 for the sharing of knowledge and the free exchange of information for the
 greatest benefit, but we cannot have that discussion if people are not able
 to have access to the Internet in the first place.  We cannot afford at
 this point to put the cart before the horse, and as I’ve mentioned earlier,
 in the absence of a meaningful alternative, this is the best we can do so
 far.

 Also, just so you know: Wikipedia Zero, at least in this country, is being
 implemented by a local telecom with no discernible link to the big players
 like Orange or T-Mobile or Telenor.  They view it so far as good CSR and
 not as a means of controlling the flow of information or wanting to make a
 profit.  So yeah, at least for us it’s been good so far.  If it happens
 though that things turn sour, then expect us to fight for our principles.

 Thanks,

 Josh

  Wiadomość napisana przez Jens Best best.j...@gmail.com w dniu 31 mar
 2015, o godz. 15:27:
 
  Dear Gerard,
 
  your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white,
 privileged
  and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways how
  first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong,
  non-open internet in developing countries is just plain emotional
  rhetoric far away from any fact.
 
  Wikipedia Zero

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

[Jens Best]

Dear Nathan et al.

I answered Josh in the other threat but will copy my answer to him again
here below so that anybody interested to continue can do this in the
right threat.

Nathan, I am disgusted by your comparisons. colonialist aspect? little
reminiscent of European Christian missionaries bringing the Bible to the
supposedly uncivilized. These allegations - presented as comparisons - are
purely insulting.

Oh, and actually it was Lila who introduced WP0 to this threat - otherwise
I wouldn't have taken the chance to hint Kourosh to this field which was
announced to be in his future field of responsibility.

I will not continue discussing with people making insulting comparisons to
violent christian missionaries or similarily offending rhetoric stuff which
in no way helps the discussion.

I - as everybody else in this discussion - are not to be judged by my race.
Believing just because I am white I could only think and behave in
colonistic pattern is an insult and not a contribution to the discussion.

cheers

Jens


2015-04-01 21:16 GMT+02:00 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:

 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Gilles Dubuc gil...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  To me Josh's point in the other thread settles this argument. I can't
  presume to know better than the people this service is made for what is
  good for them. People in other cultures have values as well. They might
 be
  different than ours, but more importantly, they have to be pitted against
  constraints that are completely different than ours. It's perfectly
 normal
  that the result of the moral equation people have to solve can be
 different
  than ours. It's also logical for it to evolve over time, as the
 constraints
  change. Let people in the countries where Wikipedia Zero operates decide
  whether it fits their vision of the movement or not. I'm sure that if
 users
  in a given country find it contrary to their beliefs or what they think
 to
  be the movement's values, they'll campaign against it on their own
 accord.


 I agree. We've discussed on this list before that for some, including Jens,
 the principles of net neutrality haven taken on a religious dimension. Any
 deviation from the absolute principle is attacked as immoral, so that some
 who expect that Wikimedia is a moral actor (from their perspective) feel
 shocked and betrayed when it is apparent that Wikimedia doesn't share this
 religious view of net neutrality.

 Josh Lim's e-mail makes it clear that there is a definite colonialist
 aspect to this absolutist perspective, more than a little reminiscent of
 European Christian missionaries bringing the Bible to the supposedly
 uncivilized. Net neutrality activists should not presume to know better
 what is right and necessary for all parts of the world; if Wikipedia Zero
 is hailed as useful and needed in areas where it is available (and it is),
 then we should accept it and even promote it as a moral positive.

 And to Jen's complaint about calling WP0 off topic... Perhaps you
 misunderstood, Jens - I wasn't referring exclusively to your reply to
 Gerard, but to the clear fact that a discussion about net neutrality was
 off topic for a thread welcoming a new executive to the WMF. Incidentally,
 I believe it *was* you who introduced WP0 to the thread.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

[Jens Best]

 with AOL first showed clearly
different user habits because of this walled garden experience, they
haven't experienced the free web therefore internet for them was much
less then it actually offered. And still the digital media literacy e.g. of
many users in Germany sucks also because they didn't learn the internet
properly.

Back to today. You said you felt patronized by the discussion, that wasn't
my intention. But there are several NGOs from developing countries feeling
patronized by the telecoms which provided a pre-selected internet to the
people. One of them said at the IGF in Istanbul: It's like they say: Here
have some Facebook and a dash of Wikipedia zero-rated, but the rest you
have to pay. - So, feeling patronized in a discussion isn't surely a good
feeling, but being patronized in the use of the internet in your country
has a much more bigger negative impact on society.

Just one thing: I didn't come up with this white, privileged and well
educated-stuff that was Gerard in my eyes trying to make a rhetoric trick.
But it's not working, because the world isn't that black/white and even if
there is one local telecom which isn't somehow connected to a big player.
The main partners of WP0 (Orange and Telenor) ARE global players and they
surely have a more white and privileged standpoints when it comes to
develop access provider business in developing countries. We all see and
experienced the hard bandages with which the white and privileged
telecoms fight in USA and Europe when it comes to ruin net neutrality. So
how comfortable for them to avoid this later fights by not offering the
internet as they did in US/Europe, but to train user habits by giving them
the different data type, different price-experience from the beginning.
And don't be fouled: The zero-rated experience is part of the different
data type, different price-experience - and WMF fell for the trap.

Why did WMF fall for the trap? Well, let's say, because of Assuming Good
Faith. Surely in the beginning, like on many other ideas, it all sounded to
good to be true: free wikipedia for the people - That's music in all our
ears. But really believing, that spreading the knowledge is a new mission
(or truely and eternal CSR) of business telecoms - well, good luck with
that attitude around the world. Let's ask this gratious access providers
why not giving more free knowledge to the world - What about the 30,000
free videos of Harvard University or the 500 videos under Creative Commons
of a local professional school? Oh, well, that's a lot of data traffic not
to charging for…the telecom guy says… let's keep this zero-rating idea
stick to the text-based Wikipedia - without the chance to use the external
links to the internet for free. Let's give the people the little *Walled
Wikipedia Knowledge cake* and not the whole for free - well, that's
patronizing in my eyes.

It is a clear strategy by telecoms around the world to weaken net
neutrality in many ways. Getting people used to pay different prices for
different data is one of perfidious one, because it sometimes feels right
in the first moment, but it lays the wrong groundworks. The internet then
becomes a place were open innovation (societal and economic-wise) becomes
more difficult or even impossible - so the main function of the web is
dead.
But Wikipedia needs this open air to breathe and to evolve. Free Knowledge,
Open Data and GLAM need this open air to evolve - a network were you pay
different prices for different kind of data (even if it is actually all the
same 0s and 1s) isn't the internet anymore. Wikipedia becomes the Facebook
of encyclopedias, there will be only one knowledge and that is Wikipedia
knowledge - not sure if that was anything to do with what Wikipedians
really drives.

Wikipedia Zero isn't leading this process, it is a tool in the hands of the
telecoms. They surely have a lot of nice words for WMF-representatives,
because, hej, they get the 6th biggest global website with mini datavolume
for FREE to use it for one of their main marketing targets: Teach the
people that different data/websites have different prices. - Apart from all
the good arguments about spreading the knowledge I think we need to be
aware of our responsibilities in the big picture. And that argument isn't a
white, privileged argument, but one which cares about keeping the core of
the web free and open and let not fall it in the hands of access dealers
and their economic interests.

thanks for reading

best regards

Jens


2015-04-01 22:07 GMT+02:00 Jens Best best.j...@gmail.com:

 Dear Nathan et al.

 I answered Josh in the other threat but will copy my answer to him again
 here below so that anybody interested to continue can do this in the
 right threat.

 Nathan, I am disgusted by your comparisons. colonialist aspect? little
 reminiscent of European Christian missionaries bringing the Bible to the
 supposedly uncivilized. These allegations - presented as comparisons -
 are purely insulting.

 Oh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

[Jens Best]

Saying that it is a normal term in the USA doesn't contradict the
impression Andreas has.

2015-03-29 14:03 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com:

  I find the term Advancement Department has a somewhat Orwellian ring.
 
 
 It's quite a normal term in the USA. For instance, the Council for
 Advancement and Support of Education is the (global, but US-dominated)
 professional body for university fundraisers.

 Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

[Jens Best]

Well,


first of all, welcome Kourosh.

I'm looking forward to see how the reality of this exciting job description
gonna look like. For me this also sounds like a clear move to a more
politically positioned understanding of this aspect of the growing
importance of the Wikimedia-Movment globally. Advancement Department
sounds pretty neutral, but certainly it isn't at all.

When it comes to collaboration with like-minded organizations decisions
surely are also carried by a stronger public postioning of the values of
the movement. Some of the decisions in the past, especially when it comes
to collaborations with commercial internet players maybe need to be openly
and transparently re-evaluated.

If Kourosh is settled in I would like to see a global, transparent and open
discussion about our program Wikipedia Zero which is under global critic
by OpenWeb-NGOs and other worried members of the civil society in the US,
in the Global South and in Europe.

Wikipedia Zero which for me is a straight marketing element of some clever
telecoms to sell their mobile products in developing markets and therefore
infusing an user-experience of data-specific payment habits, needs to be
re-evaluated with a professional look that includes awareness of what
implications strategic partnerships can have on our core values.

The well-meant intentions which carried the Wikipedia Zero programme inside
WMF to the point where it is now maybe were a little starry-eyed. Let's not
forget that a zero-rated Wikipedia which can't connect to the linked
knowledge of the world is just a *Walled Wikipedia *and therefore a
questionable  contribution to our core belief of giving free knowledge to
the people - by the people.

The intensity with which the global fight about net neutrality is lead
because of the commercial interests of the telecoms surely doesn't stop at
the markets of the Global South - therefore Wikimedia movement has to make
perfectly clear which line is walked on this central matter of a free and
open internet.

You see, Kourosh, the challenges are big and I'm looking forward to have an
experienced person overlooking the future developments in this field.


best regards and a good start

Jens Best



2015-03-27 21:13 GMT+01:00 Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org:

 Dear Wikimedians,

 In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been considering
 new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is an
 essential part of the Wikimedia movement, and today, I’m excited to let you
 know about a new addition at the Wikimedia Foundation that will support our
 collaboration with like-minded organizations.

 For some time now, we’ve planned to hire a Vice President of Strategic
 Partnerships. Today, I am pleased to announce that Kourosh Karimkhany will
 step into this role on March 30, 2015.

 Kourosh will be responsible for crafting a strategy to grow long-term value
 for Wikimedia projects through building meaningful partnerships, projects,
 and relationships on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. He will become
 part of the C-level team and will report to Lisa Gruwell. Kourosh will also
 oversee Wikipedia Zero, which will transition to the partnerships team.

 The Wikimedia community has many fruitful and creative partnerships that
 help support knowledge creation and sharing around the world. The
 partnerships Kourosh will support will will help us better support these
 partnerships and your work, as well as grow strategic initiatives we take
 on at the WMF.

 Kourosh was born in Iran and moved to the U.S. as a child with his family.
 Today, he is an experienced digital media professional with a passion for
 sharing information with the world. He started his career as a technology
 journalist covering Silicon Valley for Bloomberg, Reuters and Wired. He
 switched to the business side of media when he joined Yahoo as senior
 producer of Yahoo News. Later, he led corporate development at Conde Nast
 where he spearheaded the acquisition of Wired.com, Ars Technica and Reddit.
 He also cofounded Food Republic in 2009, which was acquired in 2013. He's
 an active angel investor and startup advisor.

 In light of the expanded scope of the Fundraising team and the revamped
 partnerships team, we’re changing the team's name to better reflect their
 mission. The new name is the Advancement Department.  To learn more about
 the new role, visit the FAQ here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Partnerships_FAQ

 Please join me in welcoming Kourosh as the newest member of the WMF
 leadership team. We have many exciting projects in 2015 and I’m looking
 forward to all the great things we will accomplish as we work together to
 support our mission.

 Lila
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

[Jens Best]

Sorry to interrupted, just a short question.

I'm looking for statistics of how many project ideas/requests were
submitted in the past. How many volunteers and WMF-employees were and are
involved in evaluating all these submissions and so on.

Can anybody provide me with a link or any other kind of reliable
informations on that?

best regards

Jens Best

2015-01-08 15:13 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osama...@hotmail.com:

 I dont think the issue is the idea of encouraging projects that increase
 the participation of women, but rather the message that everything else is
 getting shoved aside.

 I dont see this as sexism and playing that card is counter-productive.

 What I suggest is that instead of saying that for three months everyone
 else is  sidelined, focus on inclusion.  If there arent enough or good
 enough projects for addressing the number of women participating in
 Wikipedia, perhaps we should look into why. Perhaps also look into the
 Foundation directly reaching out to women's groups for collaborative
 purposes.

 But the OP does have a point. By telling certain groups we are not
 interested in you right now you are playing an us-against-them game and
 quite probably causing more harm than good.


 Leigh


  Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:03:40 -0500
  From: nawr...@gmail.com
  To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender
 gap project-related decision
 
  You certainly put a lot of time and effort into being wrong. Any first
 year
  undergraduate writing course will tell you that to make an argument you
  need to address the counter-arguments, which you have failed even to
  mention. Diversity of contributors isn't a social justice goal, or even a
  cultural engineering goal. It is aimed squarely at increasing the
 diversity
  and caliber of content. Not only does the small proportion of women mean
  that millions of them with huge amounts of expertise to contribute are
  unheard, it also means that their perspective and approach are
  underrepresented or missing entirely.
 
  And yes, the same is true for others - not only African-Americans, but
  Africans. Not only people of Indo-Asian descent, but the people of the
  Indian subcontinent itself. This is not an American movement, yet the
  global south is deeply under-represented, and the WMF has been working
  for years to address this issue. This is, again, because diversity of
  contributors matters for the breadth and depth of coverage in our
 projects.
  The goal of the Wikimedia movement is the sum of all human knowledge, not
  the sum of knowledge held by white men between 15 and 35 living in Europe
  and North America.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

[Jens Best]

Hi all,

I think some clarification is needed by people who are in charge for the
grantmaking process. There is a difference between shutting down the
grantmaking process (PEG) and (IEG) for three full months and adding a
voluntary gendergap theme to a project to get better funding chances.

So I really would like to see some clarifications about these leaked plans
before having a propably heated debate about it.

Needless to say that adding ideologically driven must-haves to a general
grantmaking process which only purpose is to serve the voluntary work on a
supposed-to-be-free encyclopedia would leave a disturbing impression on
many people.

best regards

Jens Best



2015-01-03 15:46 GMT+01:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:

 There are multiple ways in how to define the Gendergap, in this case it is
 about female participation.

 I do think it is a problem that the number of female participants is
 dramatically lower than those of male contributors, but still this does not
 give any good reason to exclude good projects who are not particular aiming
 for female contributors.

 WMF wants to solve the Gendergap by excluding good other projects. That is
 a very bad situation.

 Trying to solve the Gendergap by enlarging the Community Gap.

 Bad idea.

 Romaine



 2015-01-03 15:33 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:

  Nope. Gendergap is about the gap in female participation, not in
  female-related topics. The Dutch Wikipedia has a severe gap with only 6%
  female participation. I would say this is a pretty urgent problem for the
  Dutch and Flemish community, so I was very glad to see this as a main
 theme
  for the coming three months.
 
  On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hello Jane,
  
   Sorry, but I think you miss the problem here.
  
   As I said before, I am fine with more projects that improve the
 coverage
  of
   so-called female topics, but not if this is damaging the projects which
  do
   not aim for such.
  
   I hope this campaign in this form is cancelled and witdrawn and that
  never
   ever such situation appears again. This way of working is damaging the
   trust in WMF, discouraging many volunteers, worsening projects, etc.
  
   Having a Gendergap campaign in this form is NOT in line with the vision
  the
   Wikimedia movement has.
  
The current campaign is scheduled to be one of hopefully many,
 targeted
   at the community in order to generate themed proposals.
  
   If it was really targeted at the Wikimedia community, it would not have
   excluded other projects.
  
   I propose everyone to refuse to take part in this as this is a move in
  the
   wrong direction.
  
   And how WLM to attract more female particpation? By having a special
   category for pink buildings.
   Under this condition, a question as such can't be taken seriously.
  
   Romaine
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
   2015-01-03 14:58 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com:
  
As a member of the IEG committee I am happy to say that there is no
  need
   to
panic. WLM is highly successful project and no one is talking about
shutting it down, or any other project for that matter. The current
campaign is scheduled to be one of hopefully many, targeted at the
community in order to generate themed proposals. The current growth
 of
highly diverse and inspirational proposals takes increasingly more
  energy
to manage, judge, and maintain. By introducing a three-month long
  theme,
   it
is hoped that the following will occur:
1) Grant committee members in their voluntary role as proposal
  reviewers
and community sponsors will experience less burn-out in managing
   proposals
as their will be more cross pollination per cohort of proposers and
  their
proposals.
2) A targeted campaign to attract proposals will enable easier
   translation
across projects if the target audience can be identified in advance
3) A targeted campaign will attract more volunteer committee members
 to
manage proposals, hopefully attracting local experts in various
  Wikimedia
projects.
   
The Gendergap will be the first theme. I think it's a great idea! How
  can
WLM attract more female participation? Any ideas?
   
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Romaine Wiki 
 romaine.w...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
 Hi all,

 Some disturbing news entered my mailbox the past days. The grant
  making
 team is going to shut down the grantmaking process for Project and
   Event
 Grants (PEG) and Individual Engagement Grants (IEG) for three full
months!

 They have decided that they want to focus only on a specific
  strategic
 priority: the gender gap, and that all other good projects are
  refused
for
 3 months (February-April).

 Having more attention to a strategic priority is fine to me. Having
   more
 attention to the problem of the gender gap

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

[Jens Best]

Hi Eric,

your last line expresses a direction which would enhance the spirit of the
movement in an appropiate way. Let me repeat it: Imagine a world where you
can take a smartphone or tablet without a contract and immediately connect
to an ever-growing library of free knowledge, without charge.

THIS is a great punchline, a good next big target which could put Wikimedia
in the middle of a stronger and broader global movement. Free Public
Knowledge is also great when you think of the goals of Wikidata -
structured data connected to empower knowledge enabler and facilitators of
Free Education around the world with good data and informations. Free
Public Knowledge is putting the beacon named Wikipedia in front of a great
campaign which would reach out far beyond being the greatest encyclopedia
ever.

It is clear by now that imho it would also help to make something better
out of the flaw which Wikipedia Zero is right now when it comes to net
neutrality. (I'm still a little bit irritated by your rhetoric trickery,
Mike, when calling the usual and established understanding of net
neutrality repeatedly absolutist. This cheap rhetorical maneuver doesn't
fit you.) It would be good for WMF to admit that with the best intentions a
mistake was made which scale wasn't really thought through before.

Wikipedia Zero is still primarily a marketing stunt for mobile providers
(e.g. Orange) which build up on the great trust in the name Wikipedia.
Data is data, no user is thinking in terms like good cause data and pure
commercial data - and this kind of familiarization with data on different
rates (incl. zero rate) is what the mobile providers count on. I consider
activists for other aspects of a free and open web partners in crime and
not some other unrelated guys whose cause I'm willing to trade cheap when
it fits the selfish interests of my brand.

But, as mentioned, there is no sense in looking the stable door after the
horse has bolted - so let's think forward by reflecting activity-oriented
on putting Wikimedia in the middle of a broader movement for all Free
Public Knowledge and reduce ill-concieved partnerships with commercial
players on the way.

best regards

Jens Best

PS: Eric, gimme a moment (aka another later mail) to write about draft of
the definition of Free Public Knowledge (especially from the point of view
of our movement).

@GerardM
I don't wanna narrow your joy about WP0, but the thing with saving
lifes/protecting against ebola is that in neither[1] of the countries (Liberia,
Sierra Leone and Guinea) mentioned by James Heilman Wikipedia Zero is
active. So there is no proof that it wins laurels for that.

[1] according to http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships

2014-12-09 8:25 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 When you consider that Wikipedia is the most used source of information in
 the countires where ebola is rife, it makes these countries particularly
 important to have Wikipedia zero. They are.

 There is no way we should underestimate the importance of Wikipedia zero.
 It effectively saves lives.
 Thanks,
GerardM

 On 9 December 2014 at 07:28, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de
 wrote:
 
   Wikipedia Zero should be newly framed as a leading example of Public
   Free Knowledge.
 
  Hey Jens,
 
  I think your line of argument here is reasonable, and we are generally
  thinking in the direction of how Wikipedia can be part of a broader
  coalition dedicated to free access to knowledge. Wikipedia Zero
  started off as an experiment to bring Wikipedia to millions of people
  who could otherwise not afford it. But now we should think (and are
  thinking) about the kind of coalition we want to create to bring free
  knowledge to every person on the planet, rather than primarily
  advocating for free access to Wikipedia.
 
  I'd be indeed curious about your thoughts on how to define Public Free
  Knowledge. IMO the licensing status of the material ought to play some
  role in defining what kinds of resources should be made freely
  available in this manner. I don't know that this should be an
  absolutely non-negotiable criterion (even Wikimedia makes exceptions),
  but it should count for something.
 
  Freely licensed material (in a manner compatible with the Definition
  of Free Cultural Works or the Open Knowledge Definition) is not tied
  to a specific website and host; the ability to fork free knowledge is
  a fundamental protection against the misuse of power. Moreover, if
  society creates a social contract that freely licensed and public
  domain information should be available free of charge, this creates
  further incentives to contribute to a true commons. It protects our
  heritage and reminds us to expand it. This is a position entirely
  consistent with our mission, as well.
 
  I agree with Mike that WMF needs to take a practical stance to bring
  free knowledge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola

[Jens Best]

Hi James,

thanks for sharing.

This shows exemplary the success of Wikipedia for being a trusted spot for
information. It also shows its growing responsibilities. News like this are
encouraging on so many levels.

Best regards

Jens Best
Am 04.12.2014 15:34 schrieb James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:

 Hey All

 I would like to share the following:

 “Wikipedia has been the most widely used single source of information about
 Ebola in the most affected countries, among people who searched for
 information through Bing. The use of Wikipedia was greater than that of
 either CNN, the World Health Organization, or the Center for Disease
 Control during the time periods examined. The countries in question
 include: Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea.

 I have been collaborating with a researcher from microsoft by the name of
 Elad Yom-Tom who has provided this interesting data. We are looking at
 submitting something to a peer reviewed journal soon. Journal will of
 course need to be Open Access, PLoS Medicine or Open BMJ interested?  :-)

 I think this is a real accomplishment for all the amazing individuals and
 organizations that have made Wikipedia what it is today including the many
 dedicated Wikipedians, the Wikimedia Foundation, our collaborators at
 Translators Without Borders, the Cochrane Collaboration, and the University
 of California San Francisco College of Medicine among others. I hope this
 is also encouragement for organizations such as the World Health
 Organisation among others that are not currently engaging with Wikipedia as
 a platform for knowledge sharing to do so.

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 James Heilman
 MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

 The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

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2-3 short remarks to your arguments, Marc:

First it's kind of interesting that net neutrality which is very clear in
its definition becomes overly simplistic and unrealistic and inadequate
the moment it collides with an organisations own interests. Isn't that
quite an coincidence? ;)

Principles of a free and open web are to be acknowledged by Websites with
good causes the same way they are to be respected by Websites with more
commercial causes. Wikipedia Zero is a brand product, in its last
consequence it belongs to the WMF, it is not public good.

Second, well, of course all providers are happy to use Wikipedia (Zero) as
a door opener to get the customer used to different treatment of data
(which is a clear violation of net neutrality). Why? Well, they all know,
that they are selling dump pipes and the dump pipe-Business (incl.
mobile) needs to develop new way of making money out of it.
So therefore, they have to establish a world where different data can be
treated differently (money-wise) - and here Wikipedia comes in well-handy.
It's an established brand with maximum of positive karma, run by the
people, for the people - it's a wet dream for every marketing executive of
any provider. Using Wikipedia Zero isn't primarily for making a different
against the competition, but to get people used to unequal handling of data.

Therefore Wikipedia Zero, apart from all the good intentions it was started
with, was to reconsidered. Net neutrality is under attack globally. Every
country where net neutrality will be already diminished in an early state
of broad (mobile) use is lost for a really free and open web. This
shouldn't be something supported by the movement. Of course, we have to
think about good and practical ideas how to spread free knowledge, but we
shouldn't put our cause in collision with a much more deeper principle of a
web where the rules of the market aren't superior to everything.


best regards

Jens Best

2014-11-30 18:14 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org:

 On 11/30/2014 11:08 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
  I think it's difficult to argue that Wikipedia Zero is
  not, at least in the strictest sense, a violation of net neutrality.

 That's perfectly true, but because the traditional definition of net
 neutrality (and, by extension, the definition of what violates it) is
 by and large overly simplistic and unrealistic.

 Factors that should be taken into account but aren't include the nature
 of the preferential treatment, its exclusivity (or lack thereof),
 conflict of interest, and competitive landscape.

 One would be hard pressed to argue that giving non-exclusive free access
 to a public good to a population in need is harmful (beyond slippery
 slope arguments), just as it would be clear that a media conglomerate
 giving exclusive free access from an ISP they own to their media is
 clearly wrong.

 What makes Wikipedia Zero clearly okay, IMO, is that *any* provider is
 welcome to approach us and set it up; and we require nor demand any sort
 of exclusivity.  Whether they chose to do so is obviously driven by
 their business objectives (publicity, competitive advantage, and so on)
 -- but their business decision affects them and only them.  They cannot
 hinder their competition from doing so or not as they will, nor gain an
 advantage they cannot get as well.

 So it's clearly neutral in the equally available sense of the term.
 And it remains neutral in the competition sense of the term since they
 are welcome to zero-rate any other service they wish alongside ours.

 And, finally, it's also neutral from a conflict-of-interest point of
 view.  The Wikimedia Foundation (and movement, for that matter) has no
 stake in the competitive landscape of telco providers, and and they have
 no interest in Free online encyclopedias.  They gain nothing by favoring
 us over other educational resources, and we favor no provider over
 another (albeit our immediate efforts do seem directed mostly at those
 where the population would benefit the most - which is reasonable).

 So yeah, this is probably not net neutrality as it is generally
 defined - but I would argue it means that the definition itself is
 inadequate.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

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Dear Gerald,

you spreading propaganda. Of course there is a practical vision to move
forward.

And even the Interims-ED is already a better alternative to what was
understood under management and leadership by Mr. Richter.

Best regards

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Am 24.11.2014 07:19 schrieb Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 This is not at all what is considered. It is about Pavel being dismissed
 without a good alternative or any practical vision to move forward.
 Thanks,
  GerardM

 move on

 On 24 November 2014 at 00:55, Juergen Fenn schneeschme...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  2014-11-23 14:59 GMT+01:00 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se:
 
   The decline in editors are among the steepest of any community
 
  I would like to say that the German chapter is not really responsible
  for the recent decline of editors in German Wikipedia. This is due to
  the introduction of the superprotect right. It is Lila Tretikov and
  Erik Möller alone who are to be held responsible for that. Many of us
  have lost interest in editing much after the scandal, and there is
  nothing WMDE can do in order to turn this around. The German-speaking
  community will probably not recover from this blow. The ball lies in
  the bay area, and it has not been played since September.
 
  Regards,
  Jürgen.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

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Well,

you maybe true with the fact that some of it is hidden, but if you have
to start clearing the mess you inherited for good not every necessary
action you undertake is immediately seen. True on that. Sustainable
Structure and real impact is a little bit more complicated to establish and
to nourish than increasing money numbers and collecting thousands of zombie
members. So, yes, the real work starts now.

best regards

Jens Best

2014-11-24 7:34 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 Well it is mightely well hidden. Or in other words you are preaching to
 your choir but outside the immediate sphere of influence it is not heard
 far from it, I am really upset by what happened and now the fall out that
 was waiting to happen.

 Propaganda.. REALLY ? I am my own man and at that I am a fan of the German
 chapter ie what it DOES.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

 On 24 November 2014 at 07:25, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

  Dear Gerald,
 
  you spreading propaganda. Of course there is a practical vision to move
  forward.
 
  And even the Interims-ED is already a better alternative to what was
  understood under management and leadership by Mr. Richter.
 
  Best regards
 
  Jens Best
  Am 24.11.2014 07:19 schrieb Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
 :
 
   Hoi,
   This is not at all what is considered. It is about Pavel being
 dismissed
   without a good alternative or any practical vision to move forward.
   Thanks,
GerardM
  
   move on
  
   On 24 November 2014 at 00:55, Juergen Fenn 
  schneeschme...@googlemail.com
   wrote:
  
2014-11-23 14:59 GMT+01:00 Anders Wennersten 
 m...@anderswennersten.se
  :
   
 The decline in editors are among the steepest of any community
   
I would like to say that the German chapter is not really responsible
for the recent decline of editors in German Wikipedia. This is due to
the introduction of the superprotect right. It is Lila Tretikov and
Erik Möller alone who are to be held responsible for that. Many of us
have lost interest in editing much after the scandal, and there is
nothing WMDE can do in order to turn this around. The German-speaking
community will probably not recover from this blow. The ball lies in
the bay area, and it has not been played since September.
   
Regards,
Jürgen.
   
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[Wikimedia-l] Selfie of the Ape - The Copyright Wars

[Jens Best]

Selfie of the Ape - The Copyright Wars - http://youtu.be/E8y1bhEj7j8

A Selfie Defines An Ape As It Defines A Human Being.

Just made a short Trailer. Have fun.


best regards

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Selfie of the Ape - The Copyright Wars

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Yeah, just seen that youtube was quick on that one.

Here is the Dropbox-Link.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mifna71hgqi14mj/AAChbDTbcsu0t_esvxIMkMq0a?lst

Vimeo is coming up soon.

Jens


2014-08-08 4:33 GMT+02:00 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
everton.alvare...@okfn.org:

 Este vídeo apresenta conteúdo de FOX, Budiey Dot Com Media e TV
 Bandeirantes (Brazil). Um desses parceiros (ou mais) bloqueou o
 conteúdo com base nos direitos autorais.

 Which mean this movie cannot be watched in Brazil due to copyright reasons.

 Funny enough I was going to send a message to wikimedian friends in
 Wikimania now to cheer this pretty monkey who is raising a lot of
 discussion about the old copyright world thanks to Wikimedia.

 I'll do a t-shirt.

 2014-08-07 22:48 GMT-03:00 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Selfie of the Ape - The Copyright Wars

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And Vimeo-Link (let's see how long this lasts)

https://vimeo.com/102892584

have fun

Jens


2014-08-08 4:36 GMT+02:00 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de:

 Yeah, just seen that youtube was quick on that one.

 Here is the Dropbox-Link.

 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/mifna71hgqi14mj/AAChbDTbcsu0t_esvxIMkMq0a?lst

 Vimeo is coming up soon.

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 2014-08-08 4:33 GMT+02:00 Everton Zanella Alvarenga 
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 Este vídeo apresenta conteúdo de FOX, Budiey Dot Com Media e TV
 Bandeirantes (Brazil). Um desses parceiros (ou mais) bloqueou o
 conteúdo com base nos direitos autorais.

 Which mean this movie cannot be watched in Brazil due to copyright
 reasons.

 Funny enough I was going to send a message to wikimedian friends in
 Wikimania now to cheer this pretty monkey who is raising a lot of
 discussion about the old copyright world thanks to Wikimedia.

 I'll do a t-shirt.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

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News from Chile

Chile’s Subsecretaria de Telecomunicaciones just decided that zero-rating
is a promotion tool which is against net neutrality. Therefore all
zero-rated-related marketing deals have to stop at the 1st of June.
According to a WMF-list in Chile no provider has been offering Wikipedia
Zero. Also I'm not sure if this dismissal reflects only on zero-rated
offers where payment of money is done by the content provider. So it still
needs to be checked how/if this decision is influencing our intent to
spread Wikipedia Zero.

All in all it shows that we have to improve our arguments in a broader
scale if we don't want to get caught by promoting Free Knowledge but in
fact 'only' pushing the use of a reduced version of one (very well known
and superb) website which stand exemplary for this idea. We are caught in a
dilemma which imho only can be solved when reaching out to more partners
which stand for Free Knowledge and Free Education. Not sure how this could
work, but fortunately that never was a reason to stop.

News from Chile:

http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/

http://www.subtel.gob.cl/noticias/138-neutralidad-red/5311-ley-de-neutralidad-y-redes-sociales-gratis?_ga=1.143290485.1915805894.1400742323

Overview Wikipedia Zero:

https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mobile_partnerships



2014-05-30 6:59 GMT+02:00 rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com:

 participation is another aspect. wp zero allows free reading. it does
 not allow free participation. write emails, search for references,
 download and adjust code. just as a side note, the oxford university
 stated: until 2012, europe, i.e. 10% of the worlds population,
 produced 50%+ of wikipedias geotagged contents [1].

 imo it is not necessary to terminate wikipedia zero, it just needs
 to be negotiated differently: if a telco wants to support our case,
 give every person 200mb free internet access. unrestricted. or, if we
 need to break some law like now or be in the grey area, we could
 support additionally a viral model, like: if somebody is a wikipedia
 contributor (as defined in election criteria, or like in ghana, 3
 edits per week), give them 2 GB free internet traffic for free,
 unrestricted.

 if the WMF legal department would be able to negotiate _this_ e.g. in
 nigeria or india, i would have _big_ respect for them, and with
 pleasure say in future: you guys are worth every cent of the 5 million
 we pay you a year.

 [1]
 http://geography.oii.ox.ac.uk/?page=the-geographically-uneven-coverage-of-wikipedia

 On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de
 wrote:
  Giving access to educational resources isn't the same statement as
  zero-rating wikipedia - If the mobile providers are willing to give
 more
  open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access to the
 people
  THEN you can say giving access to educational ressources for free -
 right
  now it 'only' means giving free access to wikipedia (which is great and
  awesome for the wikipedia and the people).
 
  Let's not be naive on the point that mobile providers have different
  motivations for zero-rating services as the movement has for fighting for
  free knowledge around the globe.
 
  In the beginning it was mainly zero.wikipedia (text-only), now more and
  more providers giving access to m.wikipedia (some-pictures), but where
 are
  their restrictions and what will these restrictions mean for further
  development on free knowledge and free education? - And above that what
  will be our argument when other free knowledge/free education
 organisations
  don't get zero-rated? When it becomes clear that the marketing scoop of
  giving free wikipedia wasn't at all meant as the start of giving free
  access to free knowledge around the world?
 
  I'm all in to make all open knowledge and all open educational ressources
  zero-rated available around the globe - but I'm also quite sure that this
  is not the deal the mobile providers are looking forward to. I prefer to
  stay critical and not giving up an important principle like net
 neutrality
  just because some mobile providers made a nice marketing deal with us
 which
  seemed to serve our own goals in short-term, but isn't reflected enough
 on
  its deeper implications on a free web and its liberated use.
 
 
  best regards
 
  Jens Best
 
 
 
 
  2014-05-29 23:31 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org:
 
  On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
   A noble cause
   doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle
 unproblematic.
 
  In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously
  perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
  educational resources for free to the world's least economically
  fortunate people a bad thing, then the definition is obviously broken.
 
   It could be the time to start talking
   globally about an in-the-future exit strategy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

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Hi Marc,

zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract
is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a
noble service to give free knowledge to the people.

Free knowledge of the leading global encyclopedia is surely connected with
a totally different approach as, let's say, a certain music-streaming
website which is included zero-rated in a mobile contract, but
nethertheless it is way to undermine/break net neutrality. A noble cause
doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic.

There is already a discussion in the community about the prospective
complex of problems with zero-rating as an icebreaker for introducing
different price tags on data. It could be the time to start talking
globally about an in-the-future exit strategy on the surely noble
initiative e.g. when certain milestones are reached in participating
countries/regions.

best regards

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2014-05-29 23:02 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org:

 On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
  another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the
  telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality.

 I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there
 is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco provider from zero-rating
 Wikipedia.  Net neutrality doesn't even enter into it.

 What *does* enter into it, however, is that literally /millions/ more
 people now have free access to Wikipedia that could not before afford it.

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Hi Marc,


your arguments aren't really factual, but rather emotional. But that's
fair enough.

Giving access to educational resources isn't the same statement as
zero-rating wikipedia - If the mobile providers are willing to give more
open educational ressources (incl. video) a zero-rated access to the people
THEN you can say giving access to educational ressources for free - right
now it 'only' means giving free access to wikipedia (which is great and
awesome for the wikipedia and the people).

Let's not be naive on the point that mobile providers have different
motivations for zero-rating services as the movement has for fighting for
free knowledge around the globe.

In the beginning it was mainly zero.wikipedia (text-only), now more and
more providers giving access to m.wikipedia (some-pictures), but where are
their restrictions and what will these restrictions mean for further
development on free knowledge and free education? - And above that what
will be our argument when other free knowledge/free education organisations
don't get zero-rated? When it becomes clear that the marketing scoop of
giving free wikipedia wasn't at all meant as the start of giving free
access to free knowledge around the world?

I'm all in to make all open knowledge and all open educational ressources
zero-rated available around the globe - but I'm also quite sure that this
is not the deal the mobile providers are looking forward to. I prefer to
stay critical and not giving up an important principle like net neutrality
just because some mobile providers made a nice marketing deal with us which
seemed to serve our own goals in short-term, but isn't reflected enough on
its deeper implications on a free web and its liberated use.


best regards

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2014-05-29 23:31 GMT+02:00 Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org:

 On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote:
  A noble cause
  doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic.

 In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously
 perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to
 educational resources for free to the world's least economically
 fortunate people a bad thing, then the definition is obviously broken.

  It could be the time to start talking
  globally about an in-the-future exit strategy on the surely noble
  initiative e.g. when certain milestones are reached in participating
  countries/regions.

 So you're telling me that there is a point where we can say Oh, you
 can't afford access?  Too bad. and it's not a bad thing because some
 /other/ metric has been reached?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

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Thanks for the news.

A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
something with a better usability of Flickr? -

The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for us
to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display these
'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to launch a
crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help describe
what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train
automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.

http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

Best regards,

Jens






2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

 Quote from full announcement

 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
  by Microsoft
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
 then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that
  even we are not aware of.


 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Jens Best]

Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
instead of Commons.
http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/


2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de

 Thanks for the news.

 A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
 Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
 something with a better usability of Flickr? -

 The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
 attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?

 The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
 us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
 crowdsourcing information and knowledge:

 We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
 these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
 launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
 describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to
 train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content.


 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 Best regards,

 Jens






 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com

 Quote from full announcement

 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

 We have released over a million
 imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
 for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
  by Microsoft
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
 then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
 startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
 that
  even we are not aware of.


 Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
 Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
 Example of all images from a book
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
 Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Jens Best]

Just discovered the Commons project-site, too. Good to break down the
massive amount of unsorted material in countries first. Could help to
address interested editors quicker.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

Jens


2013/12/15 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net

 There’s been quite a lot of discussion of this on the cultural-partners
 mailing list (https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners).
 As a result of that, Tom Morris has set up a working page on Commons at:

 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:British_Library/Mechanical_Curator_collection

 Thanks,
 Mike

 On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:37, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

  Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
  instead of Commons.
  http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/
 
 
  2013/12/15 Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de
 
  Thanks for the news.
 
  A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the
 British
  Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
  something with a better usability of Flickr? -
 
  The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
  attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?
 
  The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
  us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
  crowdsourcing information and knowledge:
 
  We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
  these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, We plan to
  launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to
 help
  describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to
  train automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the
 content.
 
 
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
  Best regards,
 
  Jens
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com
 
  Quote from full announcement
 
 
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
 
  We have released over a million
  imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
  for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
  were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books
 digitised
  by Microsoft
 
 http://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspx
 who
  then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
  them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
  startling
  mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
  illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
  colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
  that
  even we are not aware of.
 
 
  Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
  Example of image
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
  Example of all images from a book
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
  Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory
 
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@Thomas7

just out of pure curiosity: In which right-winged schlagende Verbindung
is Frank Schulenburg a member according to your informations? Thanks.

Jens


2013/11/26 Thomas7 camol...@web.de

 Nicole Ebber wrote in the german Wikimedia Mailinglist:
  Beraten wurde
  das FDC während seiner Sitzung von Sue Gardner, Garfield Byrd, Stephen
  LaPorte, Asaf Bartov, Frank Schulenburg und Anasuya Gupta von der
  Wikimedia Foundation.

 What are the reasons, that right wing schlagende Burschenschafter Frank
 Schulenburg was allowed to participate in the FDC-Session?

 In a lot of german universities schlagende Burschenschafter and
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

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I would suggest to keep distance to this wannabe-NGO which more or less
only exists to serve the interests of commercial players which mostly do *
not* stand for a free and open web.

internet.org is nothing what will serve the ideas and ideals of an internet
as it is represented also by Wikimedia. Don't believe the hype.

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2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com

 Hoi,

 All we need to do is what we already do: make our content available for
 free. When we are really in their face that we bring neutral information to
 everyone, everywhere how and why will they deny us?

 Thanks,
   GerardM


 On 23 August 2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Emmanuel,
 
  I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
  Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
  internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
  involved?
 
  --Kul
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 1:49 AM, Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org
  wrote:
 
   I'm maybe too pessimistic, but I would be really surprised if this
   project, at any time, really helps to provide an access (neutral) to
 the
   Internet.
  
   More probable: They will try to give a free/cheap access to a set of
   their online services and so one do the same like AOL or MSN have tried
   to do 15 years ago.
  
   ... or like we do with Wikipedia zero... but, to the contrary to this
   alliance, Wikimedia has never claimed that they wanted to give access
 to
   the Internet.
  
   So, IMO, this whole story about internet.org stinks.
  
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oFXCXQpJXI
  
   Emmanuel
  
   Le 23/08/2013 10:25, Leinonen Teemu a écrit :
Hi,
   
Have you noticed the new internet.org initiative by Facebook,
 Samsung,
   Nokia, Qualcomm, Ericsson and MediaTek?
   
Internet.org is a global partnership between technology leaders,
   nonprofits, local communities and experts who are working together to
  bring
   the internet to the two thirds of the world’s population that doesn’t
  have
   it.[1, 2]
   
Would it make sense for the WMF's Wikipedia Zero program to
 collaborate
   with this?
   
Any comments?
   
Best regards,
   
  - Teemu
   
[1] http://www.internet.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

[Jens Best]

Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So, actually,
Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with whom
they really cooperate.

It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because they
use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do.

Jens

2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org

 Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
  I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for now.
  Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
  internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to be
  involved?

 If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement joins
 such a dishonest project.

 If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
 their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a dilemma.
 A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical move)
 and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
 (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
 it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
 situations ;)

 If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet... then
 this is really a dream we should be part of!

 But, this is all about speculations...

 I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my hears.
 But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
 That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
 will make the next moves.

 Emmanuel
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