Re: [Wikimedia-l] extend mediawiki software to allow append a group, and COI to an edit

2014-02-23 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi rupert,

I think this requester feature has merit, as it provides a tool for
communities to use for this purpose (COI) and others.

One possible implementation is the tag system already part of the Abuse
Filter extension. Bug 18670 requests the tag system be more flexible,
allowing false positives to be addessed, and would also allow self-tagging
of edits.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18670
On Feb 22, 2014 10:26 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:

 hi,

 could wmf please extend the mediawiki software in the following way:
 1. it should knows groups
 2. allow users to store an arbitrary number of groups with their profile
 3. allow to select one of the groups joined to an edit when saving
 4. add a checkbox COI to an edit, meaning potential conflict of
 interest
 5. display and filter edits marked with COI in a different color in history
 views
 6. display and filter edits done for a group in a different color in
 history views
 7. allow members of a group to receive notifications done on the group
 page,
or when a group is mentioned in an edit/comment/talk page.

 reason:
 currently it is quite cumbersome to participate as an organisation. it is
 quite cumbersome for people as well to detect COI edits. the most prominent
 examples are employees of the wikimedia foundation, and GLAMs. users tend
 to create multiple accounts, and try to create company accounts. the main
 reason for this behaviour are (examples, but of course valid general):
 * have a feedback page / notification page for the swiss federal archive
 for other users
 * make clear that an edit is done private or as wmf employee

 this then would allow the community to create new policies, e.g. the german
 community might cease using company accounts, and switch over to this
 system. this proposal is purely technical. current policies can still be
 applied if people do not need something else, e.g. wmf employees may
 continue to use sue gardner (wmf) accounts.

 what you think?

 best regards,
 rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread John Vandenberg
If I understand you correctly, the redlink wont be touched, but the empty
page will show reasonator data on it (ideally displayed using the
approptiate infobox). That would help readers and (source editor) writers,
as the important facts are on the screen for them to include into the prose
of the new article.
On Jan 21, 2014 10:18 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hoi,

 At this moment Wikipedia red links provide no information whatsoever.
 This is not cool.

 In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. We
 can and do provide information from Wikidata in a reasonable way that is
 informative in the Reasonator. We also provide additional search
 information on many Wikipedias.

 In the Reasonator we have now implemented red lines [1]. They indicate
 when a label does not exist in the primary language that is in use.

 What we are considering is creating a template {{Reasonator}} that will
 present information based on what is available in Wikidata. Such a template
 would be a stand in until an article is actually written. What we would
 provide is information that is presented in the same way as we provide it
 as this moment in time [2]

 This may open up a box of worms; Reasonator is NOT using any caching. There
 may be lots of other reasons why you might think this proposal is evil. All
 the evil that is technical has some merit but, you have to consider that
 the other side of the equation is that we are not sharing in the sum of
 all knowledge even when we have much of the missing requested information
 available to us.

 One saving (technical) grace, Reasonator loads round about as quickly as
 WIkidata does.

 As this is advance warning, I hope that you can help with the issues that
 will come about. I hope that you will consider the impact this will have on
 our traffic and measure to what extend it grows our data.

 The Reasonator pages will not show up prettily on mobile phones .. so does
 Wikidata by the way. It does not consider Wikipedia zero. There may be more
 issues that may require attention. But again, it beats not serving the
 information that we have to those that are requesting it.
 Thanks,
   GerardM


 [1]

 http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/01/reasonator-is-red-lining-your-data.html
 [2] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?lang=ocq=35610
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread John Vandenberg
Thanks Erik for a well written overview.

Would it be possible for the WMF to give an estimate on what it would cost
to build and/or what the threshold of annual bitcoin donations would make
it worthwhile building. Someone might be interested in donating
specifically to have this built, or we could obtain pledges to donate to
see if the threshold can be reached.
On Jan 9, 2014 9:06 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven Walling
 steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

  In general, I would personally like it if the WMF avoided accepting
  bitcoin. Today, bitcoin isn't really a functioning currency of exchange
 --
  it's actually used more as an investment tool to create wealth that
  naturally appreciates in value, like playing the stock market or buying
  gold. Avoiding lots of risky investments is something our very competent
  financial managers already steer clear of, and I see no reason to start
  taking on more risk now.

 While this is true, a more pragmatic view is that, as long as BTC has
 value to some people, there's no harm in accepting it and transferring
 it to USD the moment we receive any, provided legal/financial issues
 can be addressed with reasonable effort.

 The strongest counter-argument is that we might not actually get a
 donation total that makes this worth our time. The Internet Archive
 has a single-use Bitcoin address that's received a total of $30K at
 current (insanely high) exchange rates.

 But for me, the main reason not do this sooner is that it would have
 significantly fueled the Bitcoin speculative bubble, and WMF should
 remain neutral on the utility of Bitcoin. At this point though,
 whatever WMF does or doesn't do is just a small drop in the bucket of
 the overall Bitcoin mania, so I'm personally fine with a decision
 being made on pragmatic grounds alone.

 My own view is that Bitcoin has significant design flaws (built-in
 economic inequality, most rational actors will hoard rather than
 spend, doubtful long-term scalability, questionable value as an actual
 currency due to crazy volatility, tendency to centralize power with
 miners, rampant security attacks against BTC holders, etc.), but as
 long as no more severe technical flaws are discovered/exploited, at
 least some value will likely attach to BTC for some time to come, even
 if it's dramatically less than the current exchange rate.

 With that said, I fully defer to our fundraising team on this since
 it's a decision that should be made purely on cost/benefit grounds,
 perhaps by also comparing with other currencies that see relatively
 little use.

 The one unambiguous positive that I see coming out of Bitcoin mania is
 a renewed interest in peer-to-peer networks; the last time that
 happened was about 12 years ago, and it resulted in technologies like
 BitTorrent, Tor, various file sharing networks and many others being
 developed. Experimenting is, overall, a good thing, and no matter how
 this one plays out (and how exhausting a topic it can be given the
 idiocy of coverage about it), I'm optimistic that we will see positive
 ripple effects for the free culture movement.

 Erik

 [1] https://blockchain.info/address/1Archive1n2C579dMsAu3iC6tWzuQJz8dN
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread John Vandenberg
James,

Jasper asked you to justify your claim of $70 per server vs his $200 per
server.

Does $70 buy the same processing power? What support comes with it? etc.
On Dec 30, 2013 2:53 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jasper, if you can't write an email or pick up the phone asking for a
 hardware quote without supporting the status quo of the Foundation
 datacenter being a monument to the poster boy of corporate tax abuses,
 Microsoft OEM bundling abuses, and NSA collaboration, I really can't
 help you.

 If you're interested in what the long term savings can look like, see:

 http://www.cnx-software.com/2010/11/16/arm-based-embedded-servers-marvell-armada-xp/

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[Wikimedia-l] Data privacy, encrypted links and recent change captures

2013-12-29 Thread John Vandenberg
We know NSA wants Wikipedia data, as Wikipedia is listed in one of the
NSA slides:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KS8-001.jpg

That slide is about HTTP, and the tech staff are moving the
user/reader base to HTTPS.

As we learn more about the NSA programs, we need to consider vectors
other than HTTP for the NSA to obtain the data they want.  And the
userbase needs to be aware of the current risks.

One question from the Dells are backdored[sic] thread that is worth
separate consideration is:

Are the Wikimedia transit links encrypted, especially for database replication?
MySQL has replication over SSL, so I assume the answer is Yes.

If not, is this necessary or useful, and feasible ?

However we also need to consider that SSL and other encryption may be
useless against NSA/etc, which means replicating non-public data
should be avoided wherever possible, as it becomes a single point of
failure.

Given how public our system is, we don't have a lot of non-public
data, so we might be able to design the architecture so that
information isnt replicated, and also ensure it isnt accessed over
insecure links.  I think the only parts of the dataset that are
private  valuable are
* passwords/login cookies,
* checkuser info - IPs and useragents,
* WMF analytics, which includes readers iirc, and
* hidden/deleted edits
* private wikis and mailing lists

Have I missed any?

Are passwords and/or checkuser info replicated?

Is there a data policy on WMF analytics data which prevents it flowing
over insecure links, and limits what is collected and ensures
destruction of the data within reasonable timeframes?  i.e. how about
not using cookies to track analytics of readers who are on HTTP
instead of HTTPS?

The private wikis can be restricted to https, depending on the value
of the data on those wikis in the wrong hands.  The private mailing
lists will be harder to secure, and at least the English Wikipedia
arbcom list contain a lot of valuable data about contributors.

Regarding hidden/deleted edits, the replication isnt the only source
of this data.  All edits are also exposed via Recent Changes
(https/api/etc) as they occur, and the value of these edits is
determined by the fact they are hidden afterwards (e.g. don't appear
in dumps).  Is there any way to control who is effectively capturing
all edits via Recent Changes?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

2013-12-29 Thread John Vandenberg
Putting aside the 'tax' aspect, whether or not there is a backdoor in the
shipped product is not the point of the article you linked to James.

NSA is intercepting hardware deliveries and adding backdoors while it is
enroute from supplier to customer. Buying new equipment gives NSA a new
opportunity to inject backdoors unless WMF has staff watching the entire
manufacturing and delivery process.

The latest revelations give details of only a few of NSAs capabilities.
Eliminating the now known threats, and all the other possible vectors is
not feasible.

A more sensible strategy is to put perimeters around sets of private data,
and watch your own equipment for unusual activity, with more focus on
outbound than was previously thought necessary by most organisations. The
extreme end is using trusted operating systems, tagging all data and
network interfaces  software preventing unapproved data transits.

WMF already has serious network traffic analytics and monitoring. Maybe
some more rules and alerts are needed, but everyone is reviewing how
suspicious they should be of their 'own' internal equipment now.
 On Dec 29, 2013 7:56 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes and start buying
 datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
 instance?

 Ref.:

 http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html

 Best regards,
 James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution: Media about living people

2013-12-14 Thread John Vandenberg
 checks annually;
Wikipedias which have chosen to not use FlaggedRevs would be required
to come up with feasible alternative solutions to verify the existing
BLPs are clean of significant BLP problems.  Projects which failed to
complete their periodic reviews of the content would be put into
maintenance mode(s) until they have completed the review.  e.g. The
devs might be asked to disable 'creation of new pages in mainspace' on
the wiki as a first step measure to focus the community on the task.

More generally, we should have tiers in the notability system, by
which we agree that not everyone is as notable as Barack Obama, and
therefore their 'living' bio should not contain every detail that is
ever published.  The lowest tier is bios about people with
questionable notability or low notability and avoid publicity, such as
(most) referees, sports people who only played a few matches, most
academics, which should only include facts that are relevant to their
notability and their brief appearances into 'public life'.  On English
Wikipedia, those articles should all be put under FlaggedRevs, and
edits that increase the scope of the biography are
rejected/held/not-approved until there is consensus on the talk page
that the subject is notable enough that other aspects of their life
are of general interest to understanding their achievements or actions
which have become notable.

Perhaps not just yet, but Wikidata should bring new solutions to this
problem.  We may have more consensus to remove classes of living
people biographies from Wikipedia as the basic details of their life
can be placed into Wikidata.

For example, only a few of these referees deserve a proper 'biography'
- for the others, their bio exists on Wikipedia only because it is
useful to have a unique identifier for the person, and we like to
record a list of a person's public appearances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Australian_soccer_referees

In a few of those articles, there are unsourced claims that the
referee made a significant mistake.  Besides official honours awarded,
there is not similar commentary describing all of the times that
sports commentators spoke highly of the referees decisions.  i.e.
these articles are either BLP problems now, or will be in the future.
A referees decisions are usually only relevant within the context of a
match, and don't belong on their bio.

In almost every case, the details in those articles can be moved to
claims in Wikidata once a few Wikidata properties are created, and a
non-editable page could be automatically generated on Wikipedias to
describe the subject and list the events the person appeared in.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread John Vandenberg
On Dec 13, 2013 5:55 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com
wrote:

  * Our peers like EFF, and Internet archive accept it


 To be totally honest, I think this is moot.

 Support for bitcoin among these two organizations has hardly been a
ringing
 endorsement. In the past, EFF has rejected it for very practical reasons I
 think still apply.[1] As for Internet Archive, I was literally in the room
 when their fundraising staff announced they started accepting bitcoin, and
 they actually said they didn't really understand what it was, other than
 people requested they accept it.

 In general, I would personally like it if the WMF avoided accepting
 bitcoin. Today, bitcoin isn't really a functioning currency of exchange --
 it's actually used more as an investment tool to create wealth that
 naturally appreciates in value, like playing the stock market or buying
 gold. Avoiding lots of risky investments is something our very competent
 financial managers already steer clear of, and I see no reason to start
 taking on more risk now.

As Peter just said, there is no risk if WMF converts bitcoin donations to
USD immediately.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner obscuring site interface

2013-12-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
 On 12/10/2013 03:07 AM, David Gerard wrote:
 There's a whole site full of possible inspirations:

 And yet:

 Our donor services team haven't seen any negative emails about this
 banner.  Moreover adding the floating tab results in an increase in
 donations of roughly 15%, one of the biggest improvements we have found
 so far this year.  So clearly, while it annoys some people and inspires
 tumblrs, the practice is clearly beneficial and not universally reviled.

 Mind you, you are comparing apples (a small floaty reminder that /can/
 overlap with part of the sidebar when scrolling) with oranges (a modal
 dialog that hides contents).

The techs might want to reply to these:

https://twitter.com/MikeASchneider/status/409359331377684480

https://twitter.com/nyatagarasu/status/405134111796240384

On the flipside, maybe this will help:

https://twitter.com/listrophy/status/380864414145970176

This looks like a complaint, but it is hard to tell

https://twitter.com/ItsMalachi/status/408067770048192514

And a request for bitcoins

https://twitter.com/DrWeidinger/status/407656789274947584

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo

2013-12-07 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:47 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 let me start by saying that I agree with Dariusz's opinion that we
 should discuss this as a community, and perhaps move on from 'debate
 by press release' into more focused formats like Google Hangout or IRC
 office hours in order to find common ground, share our research, and
 highlight the many outstanding questions that need to be addressed
 before we can make an informed decision about the right path forward.

I've just seen that on Monday Philippe indicated that the consultation
will be closed today, Saturday 7 December.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Logo/Request_for_consultationdiff=prevoldid=6585034

I didnt see any notice to this list.

There has been no response from the WMF regarding the request to have
an interactive dialog to sort out the remaining unanswered questions
regarding the collective trademark.

In the last office hours held by LCA, back in January, Phillipe
indicated there would be more IRC office hours this year.[1]

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2013-01-22

I know the LCA team is very busy with many proposals in community
consultation phase.  With that in mind, I think the community logo
should remain open until the LCA team has had time to hold an IRC
office hours (or similar) to discuss it.  Hopefully before this year
closes...?  Or if it is distracting staff from other projects, maybe
close it temporarily and reopen it after an IRC office hours has been
held.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which Wikipedias have had large scale bot creation of articles this year?

2013-11-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 My team is doing some background research in to Wikipedia article creation
 right now.[1] One question I'd like answer is which Wikipedias are
 currently (i.e. this year) running bots to create many articles.

 I know that Lsjbot has run (or is running) on Swedish (sv), Cebuano (ceb),
 and Waray-Waray (war). It seems to me that, by looking at the stats for new
 articles per day,[2] Dutch (nl) and Vietnamese (vi) Wikipedias might have
 also been running bots? Am I wrong?

Hi Steven

Indonesia language Minangkabau Wikipedia has also been using bots.
The project was started early 2013, and now has 220,800 articles.
Unfortunately this project, and other new projects, are not being
included in Erik Zachte's reports.

http://min.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedias_by_size

The same team are using the same bots to add content to Indonesian
Wikipedia. 100,000 new articles created in October.

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/ChartsWikipediaID.htm

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo

2013-10-10 Thread John Vandenberg
 you're after?

 On 9 October 2013 07:13, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  The legal team have provided some background on the hiring on Jones Day
 in
  this action. Here is their comment:
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation#Legal_representation
 
  James Alexander
  Legal and Community Advocacy
  Wikimedia Foundation
  (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM, tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote:
 
  Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote on September 26, 2013, 15:22 UTC:
 
 
   Trademark don't self-enforce, they are enforceable as long as someone
  believes to you when you use them as threat tools. So yes, I suppose
 they
  might.
 
 
  ... and given that the WMF just hired the infamous Jones Day bullies as
  their representative before the OHIM to fight an opposition filled by
 their
  own volunteers (me and Federico), I don't think it's an unfair view.
 
  I suggest that everyone interested in the subject read 
  http://www.dmlp.org/blog/**2009/sam-bayard/thoughts-**
  jones-day-blockshopper-**settlement
 http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2009/sam-bayard/thoughts-jones-day-blockshopper-settlement
 
  and related links for an overview of a 2009 Jones Day lawsuit against a
  start-up company Blockshopper.com which Paul Levy called a new a new
 entry
  in the contest for grossest abuse of trademark law to suppress speech
 the
  plaintiff doesn't like.
 
  I'm aware that, being a party of the opposition, I shouldn't really
  comment on the WMF's litigation tactics, but it still leaves me wonder
  about the point of hiring, as some say, one of the worst trademark
 abusers
  in history, as their representative in this case.
 
Tomasz
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

2013-09-09 Thread John Vandenberg
How much do we expect to be paying to Wordpress each year for this service?

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Sep 6, 2013 8:23 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Currently the blog is in a partially maintained by Operations state.  In
  ops, we have a few concerns - #1 is security (exemplified by our recent
  security incident) of having a wordpress instance in our production
  environment.  #2 is support of the blog from a technical standpoint.  We
  are currently all oversubscribed with trying to keep the production sites
  up and speedy.  The blog is low priority for us compared to the wiki's,
 and
  therefore is often neglected.  When we hire about 5 more ops people, it
 may
  be more sustainable, but right now, it's not - so it would actually be a
  net positive for the Operations team to move the blog onto a dedicated
  third party, and will also hopefully prevent any future security
 incidents.

 Exactly. Just because we have people who have no trouble maintaining a
 WordPress install doesn't mean we should. Time is always limited, and
 we have to prioritize. Working with a reputable third party that also
 drives development of the same open source software seems like a
 perfectly reasonable choice to me in this instance. And BTW - we do
 get situations where the blog gets a huge spike of traffic every once
 in a while, e.g. during the SOPA/PIPA protest, so hosting it ourselves
 is not as effortless as it may seem, without even accounting for
 customization requests from our communications team, etc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF's New Global South Strategy

2013-08-30 Thread John Vandenberg
'Global Strategy countries'?

I think this aligns with the intention of GS, which is to support
initiatives that help make our movement more global by investing in
areas/languages where editors and/or readers is low but potential is high.

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On Aug 30, 2013 11:42 AM, Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu
wrote:

 What about making it simply global...?

 Balázs
 2013.08.30. 2:44, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org ezt írta:

  On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:30 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
 
  
   The first section was removed? I got excited to see the term Global
   South with a line through it (in the agenda index), but I think I
   initially misunderstood its meaning.
 
 
  No, the strikethrough was a visual cue that the _term_ Global South is
  emphatically not on the agenda.
 
 
   The term Global South is pretty
   awful and deserves a quick death.
 
 
  Agreed...
 
 
   But based on the title of the
   presentation and this e-mail thread... I'm not hopeful that it's dead
  yet.
  
 
  ...but what do we replace it with?  This has been rehashed quite a bit,
 but
  no one has come up with a compelling alternative that's reasonably
 concise
  and is politically acceptable.  (Personally I am happy with developing
  world and developing nations, but of course those terms are
 euphemistic
  as well, and apparently no longer acceptable in some circles.)
 
  I have stated before that the term, for us, is just shorthand for a list
 of
  countries, and we make no essentialist assumptions about some uniformity
  throughout all these countries.  It is my understanding that most of the
  consternation (kittens dying etc.) the term causes is due to the
 assumption
  that we _are_ making an essentialist assumption and treating all GS
  countries the same.  I hope it is by now evident we are not.
 
  Once again, I find no point to debating this.  All who _are_ interested
 are
  welcome to hash it out somewhere, and submit a consensual term (or a
  shortlist) to WMF for consideration.  If a superior term arises, I
 promise
  to make an effort to adopt it across WMF.  Until then, let's focus on the
  actual work rather than the nomenclature.
 
 
   I'm a little confused about whether the ongoing programs in Brazil and
   India will continue. There's a note that reads No WMF contractors on
 the
   ground any more, but it's unclear whether this means a discontinuation
  of
   the current folks. And the final slides focus on future engagements.
 Does
   the no contractors on the ground line mean only full-time staff will
 be
   working with (engaging with, if you prefer) areas in the future?
  Full-time
   staff and local chapter folks, I guess? And simply no Wikimedia
  Foundation
   contractors?
  
 
  There are no WMF employees outside the US, so no contractors on the
  ground (in the GS context -- we still have engineers around the world!)
  means that (once the Brazil transition is complete -- this is in
 progress),
  no program work in the GS will be done by WMF contractors, but only by
  local partners (movement affiliates -- chapters, thematic organizations,
  and user groups -- and unaffiliated partners), some of whom would be WMF
  grantees.
 
  Cheers,
 
 A.
  --
  Asaf Bartov
  Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
 
  Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
  sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (it was: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-28 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Daniel Mietchen 
 daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I could imagine that certain types of bots, tools and gadgets would
 benefit if handled and developed with support from a chapter.

 For instance,
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Citation_bot
 is used widely but cannot be maintained by its original author.
 It is currently being ported to Labs (
 https://github.com/wrought/citation-bot )
 to restore functionality, but due to ongoing developments in other
 areas (e.g. citation templates), adaptations are necessary on an
 ongoing basis. Who should do that? And what about feature requests?


 Yes! From a user perspective, that's definitely an area of need, and a
 great example too. Personal note: I LOVE Citation Bot, and I hope it comes
 back soon!

It appears to be operating

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Citation_bot

So chapters can offer to help porting tools like this to Labs and
ongoing maintenance of these tools?
Is there a list of such tools that have been identified as needing paid support?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2013-14 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi all,

 the Wikimedia Foundation's 2013-14 Annual Plan has just been published at

 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2013-2014_WMF_Plan_As_Published.pdf

 accompanied by a QA:

 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2013-2014_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers

 The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees on June 28, 2013.

I have converted it to wiki text.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_2013-14

It doesnt have the graphs yet.  Maybe someone at WMF can easily create
those graphs from the original document?  If not, we'll have to
rebuild them.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?

2013-07-12 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:07 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would publicizing these free and open secure alternatives to commercial
 applications known to be under surveillance -- https://prism-break.org/ --
 be sufficiently aligned with out values?

Our values?  ...
Our practise.  No.

SSL is mandatory to avoid surveillance, but TOR is also quite important.

The very first entry on prism-break is TOR, which is blocked on
Wikimedia projects for editing, by explicit blocks and by the TorBlock
extension, which is enabled on all wikis, even Chinese Wikipedia.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TorBlock
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Version

The mobile functionality is very unfriendly for privacy.

Loading a non-mobile HTTPS url (e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), redirects the reader to the
mobile HTTP page.  If they clicked on a https link believing that
their browsing pattern was not able to be monitored, their reading
patterns are in clear text on the internet without them being informed
of this.  The EFF is pushing solutions to send readers from HTTP to
HTTPS sites, and WMF is sending readers from HTTPS to HTTP -
transparently.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35215
(reported March 2012, last comment from WMF tech team in April 2013
indicates this may not be fixed soon)

Admins can bypass the Tor block, however logging in on Mobile is not easy.
In the mobile search type in special:userlogin.  The login screen
appears, and the 'sign in' button replies to the user that there was a
cookie error.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31045
(reported 2011; closed as INVALID the same day)

When using the Orweb browser (part of the tor solution for Android),
trying to log in is even more difficult as you cant go to the Desktop
site without tying in a long url that bypasses the mobile site.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51277
(reported by me today)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote:
 No, massive amounts of information about people doing ordinary
 things like editing articles about Homer Simpson is kind of the opposite
 of intelligence; it IS the haystack, not the needle.


 And yet, PRISM is exactly about collecting the full haystack.  And it makes
 sense, if you ignore the privacy implications:  Collect everything in your
 multi-zetabyte storage device, even if you aren't going to analyze it right
 away.

And we give every needle a distinct and descriptive name.

 And yeah, editing articles about Homer Simpson is one thing.  Editing
 articles about the Tea Party, on the other hand...

Or DeCSS, or AACS, ..

Or 2012 Benghazi attack, Efforts to impeach Barack Obama, Drone
attacks in Pakistan, ..

Or PRISM (surveillance program), Edward Snowden, Bradley Manning, ..

It would be good *if* the WMF can provide assurances to editors that
they havent received any national security letters or other 'trawling'
requests from any U.S. agency.

If the WMF has received zero such requests, can the WMF say that?
There wouldn't be any gag order.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter says that the
gag orders were struck down, pending appeal.  That means we may have
to wait a while..

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 Hi, all-

 For your information, we have not been approached to participate in
 PRISM, and we have never received or honored an NSA or FISA subpoena
 or order.  If we were to be approached in the future, we would reject
 participation in any PRISM-type program to the maximum extent possible
 and challenge in court any such demand, since this sort of program, as
 described in the press, contradicts our core values of a free Internet
 and open, neutral access to knowledge.

 We should have a blog post up within the next few days to discuss
 PRISM and our values in more detail; we will pass that along here when
 it is posted.

Thanks.

Please put the draft on meta so the volunteers can review it and
identify phrases which are not tight enough.

e.g. we have never received or honored an NSA or FISA subpoena or
order is good (and far better than I've seen from Google or
Facebook), but ...

does that exclude all possible orders under the Patriot Act?
does that exclude orders from any U.S. Government agency?  e.g. FBI?

I don't know the answer to those questions, and I am sure the average
reader doesn't either.  It would be helpful to have a response with
has both precise language and broad statements that will ensure the
layman doesnt worry that WMF is dodging the question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-31 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I've just seen an OTRS ticket asking why isn't Wikipedia giving its
 pages for adoption (like when you adopt a page and your name ends up
 on its cage or something like that). I've moved the ticket to the
 donations queue, but I was wondering if this has ever been
 discussed/considered before.

fwiw, this model was discussed on the private fundraising mailing list
in November 2010, with similar results IMO.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Armenia

2013-03-27 Thread John Vandenberg
Excellent news.  Congrats to WMAM!

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear all,

 I am happy to announce that the the WMF Board of Trustees have resolved to
 recognize Wikimedia Armenia as the newest Wikimedia chapter:
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Armenia

 This group has  already put a lot of effort into promoting Wikipedia and
 the other projects in Armenia on their road to recognition and I am really
 looking forward to hearing of their future endeavours.

 Please give a warm welcome to Wikimedia Armenia!

 Best regards,
 Bence
 (Affiliations Committee)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA Meeting - Google Hangout is on on rocking!

2013-02-17 Thread John Vandenberg
When I joined just now..I can hear people talking in the background, but
see a room full of empty chairs.

Will the video be published afterwards?

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Feb 17, 2013 9:19 PM, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch
wrote:

 Good Morning,

 we had to set up a new Hangout session:

 https://plus.google.com/**hangouts/_/**234db5e9ffbce74397e2e13f77c901**
 7bebc888cehttps://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/234db5e9ffbce74397e2e13f77c9017bebc888ce

 Please come by, join us, chat with us or just speak up - we have speakers
 here so we hear you.

 /Manuel


 Am 2013-02-16 11:33, schrieb Michał Buczyński:

 WCA London Meeting is on!

 We would like to remind you **our agenda:

 meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Wikimedia_Chapters_**
 Association/Meetings/2013-07http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07

 Please, join us on Google **Hangout:

 https://plus.google.com/**hangouts/_/**38ea423ec0e987450e09259bde4be1**
 e52ce7f327https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/38ea423ec0e987450e09259bde4be1e52ce7f327

 We are welcoming your input.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WCA Meeting - Google Hangout is on on rocking!

2013-02-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Sorry, I fell asleep and missed the second half.

Will the video be published afterwards?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread John Vandenberg
For context (because I needed to look it up)..
I believe this vacancy is to replace the seat held by Matt Halprin,
which was not renewed at the end of December 2012.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:CurrentBoardChart

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_of_trustees needs an update too
if Matt has left the board.

The WMF board portal and noticeboard havent been updated

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Board_portal

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Feb 17, 2013 8:29 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote:

 I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board
 member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our
 advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?).

 The chapters are used to find new foundation board members. That's what the
 chapter selected board seats are for. The expert board seats are for
 providing expertise that we are missing after the community and chapters
 have selected people.

Forgive me if the current board has already communicated their plan,
and I have missed it.  Please advise me if there is a published
strategy/plan for filling this seat.  I can only find this note saying
Kat is leading this initiative, and they hope to interview candidates
in person at the chapters conference in the Milan between 18-21 April:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Board_Governance_Committee/Agenda_2012-2013#Successor_for_Matt

Following on from Thomas Dalton's explanation, which I believe is both
accurate and appropriate...

As we are approaching the board election to refill the three community
elected seats, I think it may make sense to avoid appointing someone
to the vacant expert seat until after the community elected seats are
appointed.  Shortening the list of candidates is a good idea for 18-21
April, but the expert seat should used to maximise the skills and
experiences of the board, filling as many gaps in the board as
possible.  Those gaps can't be fully identified until the community
elected seats are filled.

The community elected seats will provide the board with three people
that the community believes are important additions.  In some cases
these seats may be filled by people whose skillsets and experiences
were identified by the community as needed on the board, but the
nature of the process is that skillset balance is hard to control via
these community seats.

The process ensures that many potential candidates do not even enter
the board election, the wiki user interface hamstrings the candidates
who are not well versed in wiki editing and the wiki discussion
format, so these seats typically go to people who have 10,000+ edits
and are well respected in our community, which limits the field quite
a bit.  The community may also vote for someone who has very similar
skills and experience to someone already on the board, and it would be
a very bold board that invalidates the election result on that basis.

The expert seat is an opportunity to select a person based on the
skillset that is found to be missing on the board, and that should
happen _after_ the skills and experience of the three community seats
are locked in by their appointment.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaau-l] Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio

2013-02-15 Thread John Vandenberg
WMAu is investigating.

John Vandenberg.
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On Feb 15, 2013 9:53 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:
  There is now a downloadable MP3 (50min) at
  http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/02/15/3691244.htm .


 Have someone tried to ask permission to open this content with a free
 license? At least in Brazil it worked sometimes with me when I asked
 and I could add them on Commons, even when dealing with the big news
 media.

 Tom

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaau-l] Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio

2013-02-14 Thread John Vandenberg
Live stream now for me in Brisbane

http://www.abc.net.au/local/players/internet_radio.htm?streamFile=localsydneystreamTitle=Conversations%20with%20Richard%20Fidler


-- Forwarded message --
From: Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net
Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM
Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio
To: Wikimedia-au wikimediaa...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi All,

Just a quick reminder that if you weren't able to catch the live
streaming version of Sue Gardner's Australian interview on Wednesday
night, it's being played on ABC Radio today at 11am across the country
(except Victoria, for complicated ABC reasons).  The programme you
are looking for is Conversations with Richard Fidler.

If you miss that, I am assuming that you'll be able to download a
podcast of the show later tonight to listen.

http://www.abc.net.au/local/sites/conversations/?section=podcast

Cheers,
Craig Franklin

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moodbar gone????

2013-02-05 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote:

 From:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FeedbackDashboard

 I get:

 No such special page

 Have I missed the demise of this tool or is something broken?

It has been undeployed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Undeployment_of_MoodBar.2FFeedback_Dashboard

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI versus OUTING

2013-01-27 Thread John Vandenberg
This happens all the time. It sounds like their attempt to alter the
content was thwarted. If not, alert a few admins privately, or send more
specific info to the functionaries-en mailing list so they can keep a
watchful eye on the articles in question.

And talk to the offender and explain what they did contravenes Wikipedia
guidelines.

In my opinion you should report it to an ethics board privately, if you
believe they did (intend to) break the industries ethical guidelines. Even
if they acted improperly, by intimidating someone, you need to follow
appropriate protocols. Two wrongs dont make a right.

It sounds like you can inform press without breaking any confidences. Tell
them the account name or IP and let them independently guess who it is.

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On Jan 22, 2013 12:09 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote:

 A not really hypothetical question:

 Let say one is the director of marketing at a 16 billion dollar company and
 decides to come to Wikipedia in an attempt to alter its coverage of one of
 your companies key products (which has been hit fairly hard lately by the
 evidence). One also invites 50 of your best friends (most of which are on
 your pay role to join you in this effort).

 Let say you are trying to do it anonymously but both you and your
 associates send out a whole bunch of intimidating emails to a long standing
 editor. Than this long standing editor without any real difficulty figures
 out who you are (as you sort of did email him). You than vanish from
 Wikipedia.

 What if this long standing editor decided to either hand the story over to
 the press or write something up for publication in a peer review journal as
 said editor does not stand for intimidation easily? And this long standing
 editor believes that the world / patients might be better off if
 this behavior become more widely known. How would the Wikimedia community
 apply the above two policies / guidelines (WP:COI and WP:OUTING)?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congrats wikivoyagers!

2013-01-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 http://www.wired.com/business/2013/01/wikivoyage/

 An awesome writeup in Wired!

Argh; Sarah Mitroff calls wikivoyage a new travel-focused wiki ;-(
and then continues to present Wikivoyage as a new entrant into this
space. It’s a great notion, but Wikivoyage is coming late to the
already crowded travel industry..

The article also includes a video of Jimmy on Colbert Nation hosted at
http://hulu.com which can only be seen in the USA (and Japan?).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulu

This story covers the launch better, but I think it puts too much
emphasis on the lawsuits:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2024997/wikipedia-launches-travel-site-wikivoyage-on-january-15.html

Anyone found a better wikivoyage launch news stories that is accurate
and can be accessed outside of USA and Japan?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

2012-12-27 Thread John Vandenberg
How many languages _need_ this?

Is it only one language-project?

If you only need one IP address, to avoid censorship by one country, it
should be achievable.

John Vandenberg.
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On Dec 28, 2012 4:21 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 
  I wish that  http://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa and
  https://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa would work, too, but the
  foundation apparently can't or chooses not to afford separate IP
  addresses for each language's Wikipedia.

 As one of the network folks, I will answer this.   We do not have
 enough public IP(v4)s for an address for each language in each
 project, and unless someone gives us a major donation of IPv4
 addresses (anyone have a spare /20 laying around?), I don't think we
 will be able to make this happen as we are frugal with our existing
 IPs and the allocating authorities (RIPE and ARIN) are being quite
 strict with their new IPv4 allocations.

 If you'd like to read more about IP allocation policies, here's a few links
 https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four3
 https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_depletion.html
 https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553 (see section 5.6)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposed urgent Board of Trustees resolution without a meeting

2012-12-24 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
 What an odd resolution to post.

Agreed.

 But Just on this point


 whereas because of their low levels of compensation, junior foundation
 technical staff are often unable to afford housing which does not
 involve a lengthy commute from unsavory neighborhoods;[11]


 [11] http://www.glassdoor.com/GD/**Job/jobs.htm?clickSource=**
 searchBtntypedKeyword=sc.**keyword=wikimedialocT=locId=http://www.glassdoor.com/GD/Job/jobs.htm?clickSource=searchBtntypedKeyword=sc.keyword=wikimedialocT=locId=


 oddly enough the link here seems to be to a Wikimedia UK job, not a
 foundation job, so none of the particulars apply to Foundation technical
 staff at any level.

 (also Wikimedia UK's staff don't have to live in unsavory neighbourhoods,
 though I expect many of them do commute to work, as does virtually everyone
 else working in London...)

 Chris

Hi Chris,

It might be using geolocation; I see USA jobs on that search result.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-05 Thread John Vandenberg
Bylaw changes are never housekeeping.

This resolution does change the composition of the board.

Two seats had a defined role, with clear responsibilities. Now they dont.
Of course there is always shared responsibility, but having one person
chiefly responsible ensures someone is focused on those responsibilities
and does not allow themselves to be distracted.

One seat (treasurer) needed to have relevant professional experience. Now
it doesnt.

At least one additional WMF staff officer (the new secretary) will,
presumably, now be present at all board meetings.

I dont mind the change, but discussion would have resulted in better
options being considered and hopefully enacted. We were given a good score
for our 'terms and conditions' rewrite. We could have achieved the same
with this bylaws update.

John Vandenberg.
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On Nov 6, 2012 7:30 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, that's the point. Phoebe *was* responsible for this, just as Bishakha
 has been so far this year.  Who's been sending out the minutes and posting
 resolutions?

 Further, it's to improve compliance with legislation. Thus, it's
 housekeeping.

 Risker

 On 5 November 2012 19:04, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:

  I would be very surprised if the trustee Secretary actually took
 minutes...
  That would usually be delegated...
  On Nov 6, 2012 12:02 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   It would strike me that one of the urgencies that might be involved
 is
   the fact that this resolution was passed so that the Board member who
 had
   previously been the secretary could participate as an individual board
   member, and the appointed secretary could take the minutes. It's
  extremely
   rare for a staffed charity/non-profit to have sitting trustees acting
 as
   secretary or treasurer, and none of the discussion here has indicated
 any
   concern about this decision; this was essentially housekeeping.
   Therefore,
   the only thing I can take from this is that it is a process issue, and
  that
   some members of the community wish to know in advance and in detail
 what
   the board will be discussing.  I can understand that; at the same
 time, I
   think that attempting to micro-manage the board over housekeeping items
  is
   not terribly helpful. Now, if the Board had been deciding on its
   composition (which as best I can tell was never publicly discussed the
  last
   time it was changed), I think that would certainly benefit from
 community
   input.
  
   Risker
  
  
   On 5 November 2012 18:25, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
 wrote:
  
(just for the record: in case someone does have a valid reason, I'm
  still
very open to hearing good reasons why the board chose the procedure
  they
chose (behind closed doors), and whether there was any urgency to the
changes proposed. I somehow missed that in the replies but may have
   missed
it. Knowing about such reasons might be helpful in the light of
  proposing
changes to procedures.
   
Lodewijk)
   
2012/11/2 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
   
 Hi Bishakha,

 2012/11/2 Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Lodewijk 
  lodew...@effeietsanders.org
 wrote:

  Dear Bishakha,
 
  could you please elaborate why the board has chosen for a
  secretive
  amendment procedure here, rather than sharing the proposed
   amendments
 with
  the community and asking their input on it? Especially where it
concerns
  such non-trivial changes.
 
 Ok, now that the document showing old and new has finally been
uploaded, I
 will try to answer your question.

 The legal team proposed that we amend the bylaws, primarily to
  ensure
 compliance with Florida non-profit laws.

 Since most of the changes are legal in nature, they were not
  referred
   to
 the community for prior input.

 I understand how this action can be seen as secretive or opaque,
  even
 though it may not have been intended as such.

 Is it also possible to see this action as reasonable, given the
  nature
of
 most of the changes?


 I don't see how this validates the fact that you did not consult
 the
 community on these changes. If the changes are fairly trivial and
 legalistic, then the community will likely have little objection.
 But
   as
 you noted, there was at least one significant change (I haven't
 been
   able
 to check myself) and I'm having a hard time understanding why you
  (the
 board) would /not/ want the input of the community on such
 decisions.

 If people talk rubbish, it is easy to ignore. But maybe they have a
   very
 good point that you want to take into account. If they come up with
  an
 argument that changes your mind - wouldn't that mean that the goal
  has
been
 accomplished?

 Especially

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Editor survey launched

2012-11-02 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Tilman,

Could you explain the logic behind the survey link not being static until
the user completes the survey or dismisses the notice?

I appreciate that you're offering, via email, to give people the survey
link if they missed it, but that will influence who ends up your survey
population. Not everyone on your target population is subscribed to a list
whetr this offer has been made.

John Vandenberg.
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On Oct 31, 2012 7:26 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 we have just launched the Foundation's 2012 editor survey; with
 invitations to participate being shown to logged-in users on Wikipedia
 and Commons.

 A few quick facts about the survey (for more refer to
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
 ):

 * This is the third survey of editors as envisaged in the Foundation's
 2010-15 strategic plan in order to take the pulse of the community
 and identify pressing issues or concerns, after the April 2011 and
 December 2011 surveys.

 * The first main purpose of this survey is to continue the work of the
 2011 studies (conducted by Mani Pande and Ayush Khanna), with a focus
 on tracking changes since last year and identifying trends.
 Which is why many questions are being repeated from last time.

 * The second emphasis in this instance of the survey is to measure the
 satisfaction of the editing community with the work of the Wikimedia
 Foundation.

 * This is the first editor survey that includes a non-Wikipedia
 project (Commons, for the questions that are non Wikipedia-specific).

 * Thanks to everyone who commented on the draft questionnaire after we
 solicited feedback on this list and in and IRC office hour, as well as
 to those who commented about the last survey. We made several changes
 based on the feedback, and tried to reply to all concerns.

 * Also many thanks to all volunteer translators who reviewed or
 contributed translations; the questionnaire is available in 14
 languages (Italian, Polish and Portuguese will launch a bit later).

 * As with the previous two surveys, the results will be published in
 the following forms: A topline report detailing the percentage of
 responses for each question, a series of posts on
 https://blog.wikimedia.org analyzing the results, and a data set
 consisting of anonymized responses which others can use to do their
 own analyses. This time we will also aim to produce language-specific
 topline reports (an approach we already tested for Chinese with the
 data from the December 2011 survey).

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 Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2012 Editor survey launched

2012-11-02 Thread John Vandenberg
Thanks Tilman. Good to see the offer is in the public FAQ.

I was on my phone at the time I saw it, and having some time on my hands I
tried to fill it in. I managed to screw up the survey software on the
languages selection by trying to select more than one, and then it wouldnt
let me pick any. I quit thinking I would get another chance...on my desktop.

I dont remember if the survey told me that I would only have one chance...

Do you know how many people have seen the banner vs how many have completed
it?

Is there a page which lists pros and cons of this approach?

I think the WMF should collect all the survey data they can. Maximum ROI
and all that.
You can use models to select a subset of the 2012 data that would be
comparable to the 2011 data.

John Vandenberg.
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On Nov 3, 2012 10:58 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi John,

 On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:05 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Tilman,
 
  Could you explain the logic behind the survey link not being static until
  the user completes the survey or dismisses the notice?
 I guess you are referring to the fact that the survey invitation
 banner is designed to be shown only once to each user? This is
 explained in the QA for the survey:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012#Why_will_a_user_see_the_link_to_the_survey_only_once.3F_How.3F
 In short, it's intended to reduce bias towards more frequent editors.
 There are reasons for and against this setup, but it's one of the many
 things that we want to keep consistent with the last survey so as to
 be able to do longitudinal analysis, i.e. identify trends.

 (In case this is not what you meant, feel free to rephrase the
 question and I will try to reply again.)

 
  I appreciate that you're offering, via email, to give people the survey
  link if they missed it, but that will influence who ends up your survey
  population. Not everyone on your target population is subscribed to a
 list
  whetr this offer has been made.
 I understand this concern from a theoretical standpoint, but
 considering the fact that only four people have requested such a link
 so far, the bias that this introduces is likely to be negligible. - If
 one goes down that road, one would need to worry much more about the
 effect of announcements and discussions about the survey on mailing
 lists and on Meta before it has completed, but this is a price we are
 happy to pay to involve the community and achieve transparence.

 
  John Vandenberg.
  sent from Galaxy Note
  On Oct 31, 2012 7:26 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  we have just launched the Foundation's 2012 editor survey; with
  invitations to participate being shown to logged-in users on Wikipedia
  and Commons.
 
  A few quick facts about the survey (for more refer to
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012
  ):
 
  * This is the third survey of editors as envisaged in the Foundation's
  2010-15 strategic plan in order to take the pulse of the community
  and identify pressing issues or concerns, after the April 2011 and
  December 2011 surveys.
 
  * The first main purpose of this survey is to continue the work of the
  2011 studies (conducted by Mani Pande and Ayush Khanna), with a focus
  on tracking changes since last year and identifying trends.
  Which is why many questions are being repeated from last time.
 
  * The second emphasis in this instance of the survey is to measure the
  satisfaction of the editing community with the work of the Wikimedia
  Foundation.
 
  * This is the first editor survey that includes a non-Wikipedia
  project (Commons, for the questions that are non Wikipedia-specific).
 
  * Thanks to everyone who commented on the draft questionnaire after we
  solicited feedback on this list and in and IRC office hour, as well as
  to those who commented about the last survey. We made several changes
  based on the feedback, and tried to reply to all concerns.
 
  * Also many thanks to all volunteer translators who reviewed or
  contributed translations; the questionnaire is available in 14
  languages (Italian, Polish and Portuguese will launch a bit later).
 
  * As with the previous two surveys, the results will be published in
  the following forms: A topline report detailing the percentage of
  responses for each question, a series of posts on
  https://blog.wikimedia.org analyzing the results, and a data set
  consisting of anonymized responses which others can use to do their
  own analyses. This time we will also aim to produce language-specific
  topline reports (an approach we already tested for Chinese with the
  data from the December 2011 survey).
 
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  Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
  Wikimedia Foundation
  IRC (Freenode): HaeB
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Question for Board

2012-10-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...

 It is sad that those who are very well off are so quick to exclude the
 possibility of helping impoverished long term contributors.

WMF is not a welfare system.  Donors would rightly complain if the
money was used for purposes other than those described in the donation
solicitation messaging.

Impoverished long term contributors should get a job.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed Wikimedia Medicine Thematic Organisation

2012-10-17 Thread John Vandenberg
On Oct 15, 2012 3:36 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 James Heilman, 14/10/2012 22:18:

 Thematic organizations have the same amount of authority over content on
 Wikipedia as chapters. To spell this out clearly that means NONE. One
does
 not put these sorts of details in a NGOs by laws [...]


 Actually, chapters do and very clearly, as a general rule.

Aye. This is done to ensure the chapter cant legally exert influence over
content or the community, but also to help shield the chapter from lawsuits
about content.

A medicine org needs to be very clear about this, as lawsuits for incorrect
medical information will be very expensive.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Meeting on Monday with Group Contacts for WM IRC channels

2012-10-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Is there a log of this meeting?

John Vandenberg.
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On Oct 15, 2012 5:15 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,

 For those who might not have seen the announcements in #wikimedia-ops and
 other IRC channels:

 There will be a meeting with the Group Contacts for the WM IRC channels on
 Monday, October 15.

 Agenda and details are available at
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Group_Contacts/Meetings/October_2012

 So far, messages have been given in the following channels:

 #wikimedia
 #wikimedia-ops
 #wikimedia-commons
 #wikimedia-stewards
 #wikipedia
 #wikipedia-de
 #wikipedia-en
 #wikipedia-es
 #wikipedia-fr
 #wikipedia-it
 #wikipedia-nl
 #wikipedia-pl
 #wikipedia-ru

 I have attempted to contact people in these channels but didn’t get a
 reply, so if anyone who has competence in the language, please translate
 and forward this announcement. Additional languages are also welcome.

 #wikipedia-pt
 #wikipedia-ja
 #wikipedia-zh

 Thank you.

 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please can someone put 50p in the meter

2012-10-12 Thread John Vandenberg
Also working for me.

John Vandenberg.
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On Oct 12, 2012 11:21 PM, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote:

 No trouble here either.

 On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette 
 phili...@wikimedia.org
  wrote:

  They're up for me...
  ___
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  Director, Community Advocacy
  Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
 
  415-839-6885, x 6643
 
  phili...@wikimedia.org
 
 
  On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:44 AM, WereSpielChequers
  werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
   Does anyone know why Wikipedia and Commons have both gone down?
  
   WSC
  
   Writing from a slightly modified editing workshop in London
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Recruitment process for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-10-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 On 11 October 2012 22:10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 The consultant has apparently been chosen already based on a recommendation
 from Pavel. What other consultants were considered? What was the process?
 Did you get competing quotes?

 No, I did not get competing quotes.

On the meta talk page, Tomer says he had two offers.

 I have had agencies and consultants approaching me ...

Seriously?  HR firms noticed the page on meta and cold called you?  Wow.

 .. but Pavel's recommendation was solid.
 Unfortunately Ziko was unavailable on the day for the interview.
 Considering that Stefan comes with a great recommendation and
 experience of doing very similar work, this seemed a low risk
 decision. I have never worked with Stefan before and have no conflict
 of loyalties in this regard, I am merely going for a low risk
 pragmatic decision to ensure tangible progress on our first and most
 important goal for this year - getting a Secretary General
 established.

The resolution of the WCA is clear that the _first_ important goal is
to incorporate.  By 15 August 2012.  It is a difficult decision, but
it is not simplified by WCA's volunteer time being diverted to

 If the Council wishes to pause progress and consider a more detailed
 recruitment process with a number of bids against an open
 specification, I can ask Stefan to stop or terminate at any time and
 WMDE will cover those costs.

Has Stefan already started?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Recruitment process for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-10-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:29 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 ...
 The resolution of the WCA is clear that the _first_ important goal is
 to incorporate.  By 15 August 2012.  It is a difficult decision, but
 it is not simplified by WCA's volunteer time being diverted to

.. that should say diverted to other activities. e.g. the unapproved
Governance committee.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Governance

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation

2012-09-29 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Roger Bamkin victuall...@gmail.com
 Date: 29 September 2012 06:53
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Joint statement with the Foundation
 To: UK Wikimedia mailing list wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org


 I have been encouraged to issue statements for the last week or so
 about the debate. I have resisted as I did not want to escalate what I
 saw as an unfortunate bit of publicity for Wikimedia UK and the
 Foundation. I'm very disappointed to see the latest press release  I
 believe that the statement on my talk page on the English, Catalan and
 Simple Wikipedia supplies some background.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Victuallers

Coping text of user-page here under CC-BY-SA; link above; attribution:
Victuallers.



It could be that you were unaware of my declared conflicts of
interest, however it wasn't your job to be aware, however they were
well known. Wikimedia UK were managing this. They said, Roger ... has
not voted in any Wikimedia UK decisions about Monmouthpedia since the
start of his consultancy relationship with MCC or on any decisions
about Gibraltarpedia or QRpedia.[1] Wikimedia UK made monthly reports
to the Wikimedia Foundation detailing all significant events. They web
cast their board meetings. They had little or no secrets.

Over the past ten months, Roger Bamkin, a Wikimedia UK trustee helped
lead two Wikipedia-related projects, Monmouthpedia and Gibraltarpedia.
Both of these projects were based on QRpedia which is a service that
has been offered free to the movement via Wikimedia UK. As part of
this award winning work, the Foundation signed a trademark agreement
with Monmouthshire County Council[2] and later with the Government of
Gibraltar.[3] Wikimedia UK were well aware of the trustee's commercial
involvement[4] in both cases and the Foundation as part of due
diligence would have found that out by talking to the trustee,
Wikimedia UK and the people they were signing the agreement with.
Roger stood again for the board and made it clear that he was a paid
consultant of Monmouthshire County Council working on Monmouthpedia in
his statement to the members. He was re-elected. Roger has received no
payments apart from expenses from Wikimedia UK. He has helped create
two projects which align with Wikimedia UK's vision and they have only
had to contribute a minority financial contribution.

Coincidentally this is the same trustee who led the Wikimedia UK board
to become a registered charity[5] and to obtain (£1m and) hundreds of
thousands of pounds worth of gift aid and partial funding for 2012/13.
Roger Bamkin stood down as chair here when he took Monmouthshire
County Council (Wikimedia UK partners for the Monmouthpedia project)
as a client.[4]

The recent edits on the Gibraltarpedia project are shown here. There
are just the additions being made to the English Wikipedia. In the
last several weeks volunteers have added 200 new articles in many
languages. (Most of the new articles are not in English)

As a result of the action of the Wikimedia Foundation, Wikimedia UK
have agreed to not take part in the fundraiser.

Before this action was taken the following press release was issued[1]

regards Roger Bamkin

Notes:

QRpedia was shortlisted by the UK as best phone application

Monmouthpedia was voted the world's coolest wikiproject by the World
membership present at the annual conference

Gibraltarpedia is the first time that the Foundation has signed a
trade mark agreement with a Government.

On the left hand side of this page you will see some of the languages
who have been contacted and many involved in the projects described
here.

References:

1. Gibraltarpedia: WMUK press release
http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/09/gibraltarpedia-the-facts/
2. Welcome to the world’s first Wikipedia town

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/05/welcome-to-the-worlds-first-wikipedia-town/
3. Volunteer’s efforts win Gibraltar the right to be the first Wikipedia ‘city’

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/volunteers-efforts-win-gibraltar-the-right-to-be-the-first-wikipedia-city/
4. Changes to the Wikimedia UK board – A message from Roger Bamkin

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/04/changes-to-the-wikimedia-uk-board-a-message-from-roger-bamkin/
5. What did you think of our annual report?

http://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2012/07/what-did-you-think-of-our-annual-report/



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

2012-09-28 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 3:20 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 28 September 2012 21:18, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 At the same time, Wikimedia UK has agreed with the Wikimedia Foundation that
 the Foundation shall process payments for the United Kingdom during this
 year’s fundraiser.


 This being the meat.

The selection criteria for payment processors should have been defined
and used to evaluate whether each chapter is 'fit' for the purpose.
e.g.

1. technical capability,
2. fundraising know-how,
3. dedication to the donor's bill of rights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donor%27s_Bill_of_Rights

Note that the donor's bill of rights includes more than just privacy,
which is what is required by the fundraising agreement.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2012-13_Fundraising_Agreement_%28Master%29

Anyway, most chapters have decided to adopt the donor's bill of
rights, including WMUK.

https://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Donor_Privacy_Policy

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia

2012-09-26 Thread John Vandenberg
It's %!#?y nice.

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Sep 26, 2012 4:47 PM, PARNALL Perry parnall.pe...@aol.com wrote:

 This is ok




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 -Original Message-
 From: Fabrice Florin fflo...@wikimedia.org
 To: wikimedia-l wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org; wikitech-l 
 wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org
 Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 6:32 am
 Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Page Curation launch on English Wikipedia


 Hi folks,

 I am happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has just launched Page
 Curation, a new suite of tools for reviewing articles on Wikipedia.

 Current page patrol tools like Special:NewPages and Twinkle can be hard to
 use
 quickly and accurately, and have led to frustration for some users. Page
 Curation aims to improve that page patrol experience by making it faster
 and
 easier to review new pages, using two integrated tools: the New Pages Feed
 and
 the Curation Toolbar.

 Read the Page Curation announcement on our blog:
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/09/25/page-curation-launch/

 To learn more, visit our introduction page:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Introduction

 If you are an experienced editor, please give Page Curation a try:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:NewPagesFeed

 We are also holding IRC office hours on Wednesday, September 26 at 4pm PT
 (23:00
 UTC), during which we will be happy to answer any questions you may have.
 Please
 report any issues on our talk page or to our Community Liaison, Oliver
 Keyes
 oke...@wikimedia.org.

 A number of patrollers have already started using Page Curation, and we
 hope
 that more curators will adopt this new toolkit over time. A 'release
 version'
 was deployed on the English Wikipedia on September 20, 2012, and we plan
 to make
 it available to other projects in coming weeks.

 This feature was created in close collaboration with editors. We would
 like to
 take this opportunity to thank all the community members who patiently
 guided
 our progress over the past few months. This includes folks like
 Athleek123, DGG,
 Dori, Fluffernutter, Logan, The Helpful One, Tom Morris, Utar and
 WereSpielChequers, to name but a few. We are deeply grateful for your
 generous
 contributions to this project!

 We designed Page Curation to offer a better experience, by making it
 easier for
 curators to review new pages and by providing more feedback to creators so
 they
 can improve Wikipedia together.

 We hope that you will find this new tool useful. Enjoy!



 Fabrice Florin
 Product Manager, Editor Engagement Team
 Wikimedia Foundation
 User:Fabrice Florin (WMF)

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_Engagement

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] : Copyright of deep space objects (DSOs) outside of the solar system

2012-09-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Where is the onwiki discussion about this? I could find '[1]'

Or a wikipedia page that describes the copyright status of imagery of DSOs?

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Sep 15, 2012 1:25 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   I am not seeking legal advice. I am asking the pursuit of the issue. I am
 not a US citizen so I do not have a congress person to contact. The laws
 governing copyright can be amended to address the issue of deep space
 objects (DSO). I do not expect a result next week, I merely want the issue
 to enter into an agenda of some sort. If the Foundation is going to take
 the lead, this probably would only be possible through a board decision. In
 such a case I want to work with people to come up with such a draft
 proposal to the board.

   I realize this is an unusual request but there seems to be a lack of
 clarity on this issue[1]. Argument is that copyright can be an issue since
 not every organization observing or assisting NASA's observations are
 PD-USgov compatible. We may be forced to permanently delete all deep space
 objects as a result.

   I'd like to provide a short technical explanation why copyright of deep
 space objects or DSOs (objects outside of the solar system) are
 meaningless. For ordinary photographs copyright is determined by factors
 such as lighting, perspective, exposure and other such settings that
 creates a different image of the same object. You can distinguish the
 difference between a daylight photo and an evening photo.

   With deep space objects however, even the stellar parallax[2] has a very
 small value. The closest object outside of the solar system is 4.24 light
 years (268,136 AU's) away. The semi-major axis of earth is about 1AUs. The
 difference in perspective is like looking at a 2cm (width of a nickel) wide
 object 5.3km (3.29 miles) away and the perspective difference is switching
 left eye to the right eye. We lack scientific instruments to even detect a
 stellar parallax for objects much further. In other words our perspective
 of the nearest star and beyond is more or less constant and the objects
 themselves look the same for hundreds of years.

   So any photo of a deep space object I or someone else takes from the
 solar system will look identical regardless of when and where on earth I
 take it within multiple lifetimes. I think this can bring legal precedent
 for us to either disregard any copyright claim or at least pursue lawmakers
 in congress to amend the copyright law to make an exception in the law.
 People who worked with congress such as Neil Degrasse Tyson could be
 consulted to this end. Also international treaties[3] can be consulted to
 this end as copyrighting photos of deep space objects could be interpreted
 as an unfair exploitation of resources.

   I realize this reads like something out of Star Trek but this is growing
 to be quite a problem as we see more and more weird copyright claims even
 when dealing with NASA which traditionally had a PD-USgov mentality. NASA
 regularly contracts its more recent projects and to be fair we do not know
 how NASA contracts these projects which could potentially lead
 to legitimate copyright claims in the future.


 [1]:

 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects

 [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

 [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law#International_treaties

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] : Copyright of deep space objects (DSOs) outside of the solar system

2012-09-17 Thread John Vandenberg
Thanks. I didnt search. I looked in the last 250 revisions of the page. I
didnt look back far enough.

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note
On Sep 17, 2012 8:42 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have you searched for it?


 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2012/09#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects

 2012/9/17 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
  Where is the onwiki discussion about this? I could find '[1]'
 
  Or a wikipedia page that describes the copyright status of imagery of
 DSOs?
 
  John Vandenberg.
  sent from Galaxy Note
  On Sep 15, 2012 1:25 PM, とある白い猫 to.aru.shiroi.n...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Hi,
 
I am not seeking legal advice. I am asking the pursuit of the issue.
 I am
  not a US citizen so I do not have a congress person to contact. The laws
  governing copyright can be amended to address the issue of deep space
  objects (DSO). I do not expect a result next week, I merely want the
 issue
  to enter into an agenda of some sort. If the Foundation is going to take
  the lead, this probably would only be possible through a board
 decision. In
  such a case I want to work with people to come up with such a draft
  proposal to the board.
 
I realize this is an unusual request but there seems to be a lack of
  clarity on this issue[1]. Argument is that copyright can be an issue
 since
  not every organization observing or assisting NASA's observations are
  PD-USgov compatible. We may be forced to permanently delete all deep
 space
  objects as a result.
 
I'd like to provide a short technical explanation why copyright of
 deep
  space objects or DSOs (objects outside of the solar system) are
  meaningless. For ordinary photographs copyright is determined by factors
  such as lighting, perspective, exposure and other such settings that
  creates a different image of the same object. You can distinguish the
  difference between a daylight photo and an evening photo.
 
With deep space objects however, even the stellar parallax[2] has a
 very
  small value. The closest object outside of the solar system is 4.24
 light
  years (268,136 AU's) away. The semi-major axis of earth is about 1AUs.
 The
  difference in perspective is like looking at a 2cm (width of a nickel)
 wide
  object 5.3km (3.29 miles) away and the perspective difference is
 switching
  left eye to the right eye. We lack scientific instruments to even
 detect a
  stellar parallax for objects much further. In other words our
 perspective
  of the nearest star and beyond is more or less constant and the objects
  themselves look the same for hundreds of years.
 
So any photo of a deep space object I or someone else takes from the
  solar system will look identical regardless of when and where on earth I
  take it within multiple lifetimes. I think this can bring legal
 precedent
  for us to either disregard any copyright claim or at least pursue
 lawmakers
  in congress to amend the copyright law to make an exception in the law.
  People who worked with congress such as Neil Degrasse Tyson could be
  consulted to this end. Also international treaties[3] can be consulted
 to
  this end as copyrighting photos of deep space objects could be
 interpreted
  as an unfair exploitation of resources.
 
I realize this reads like something out of Star Trek but this is
 growing
  to be quite a problem as we see more and more weird copyright claims
 even
  when dealing with NASA which traditionally had a PD-USgov mentality.
 NASA
  regularly contracts its more recent projects and to be fair we do not
 know
  how NASA contracts these projects which could potentially lead
  to legitimate copyright claims in the future.
 
 
  [1]:
 
 
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects
 
  [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax
 
  [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law#International_treaties
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] [WikiEN-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Jul 31, 2012 1:43 AM, LiAnna Davis lda...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Hi John,

 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 2:39 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ive asked for more info at
 
 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample

 I did my best to answer your question there.

Ive replied with more specific questions.

This research was mentioned because of bold statements in the annual plan,
and Tilman Bayer mentioned this blog post:

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/

Which says U.S. Education Program users are three times better than other
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] 2012-13 Annual Plan of the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-07-29 Thread John Vandenberg
On Jul 30, 2012 7:18 AM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:37 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com
wrote:
  On 7/28/12 5:58 AM, Tilman Bayer wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  the Wikimedia Foundation's 2012-13 Annual Plan has just been published
at
 
 
 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:2012-13_Wikimedia_Foundation_Plan_FINAL_FOR_WEBSITE.pdf
 
  accompanied by a QA:
 
 
 
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers
 
  The plan was approved by the Board of Trustees at its meeting in
  Washington, DC, at Wikimania, and previously outlined to the
  Foundation staff and interested community members at the monthly staff
  meeting on July 5, 2012. We were planning to publish the video
  recording of that meeting at this point, but encountered technical
  difficulties; the video will hopefully become available soon.
 
 
  Slide 8 : How are we doing against the 2012 targets
 
  I was stopped by
 
  The Global Education Program is now the largest-ever systematic effort
of
  the Wikimedia mouvement to boost high quality content creation, with a
  projected addition of 19 million characters to Wikipedia through student
  assignements 2011-2012
 
  OF COURSE, we all know that WMF needs to glorify what it is actually
  initiating/in charge of. And that's fair enough.
 
  But seriously... I would feel fine with us trying to claim that the GEP
is
  the largest system effort to INCREASE the number of articles. It is
probably
  true.
 
  But we all know that the result is... so and so. Possibly good content,
but
  also lot's of crap being reverted and deleted afterwards. Claiming it
is the
  largest effort to boost high quality content is not only disingenous...
but
  I actually find it counter productive and a tiny bit offensive toward
the
  actual community.
 
  High quality content simply does NOT come from newbie students.

 Over the last years, the Foundation has been trying to base decisions
 and evaluations more often on objective data and research rather than
 on personal opinions and impressions.

 Of course, here the term high quality does not necessarily mean,
 say, featured content (e.g. on the English Wikipedia, featured
 articles currently make up less than 0.1% of the total articles), but
 instead refers to comparisons with average contributions.

 Someone from the Education Program will be able to give a more
 thorough overview of the efforts to evaluate its results, but for
 example I'm aware of

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/19/wikipedia-education-program-stats-fall-2011/

Ive asked for more info at

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Education_Program_evaluation#random_sample

 . The quantitative method used there has its limitations, but similar
 methods are employed in independent (i.e non-WMF) research about
 Wikipedia in the academic literature.

Do you have links to any relevant studies of the GEP?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] conversations between WMF and non-English projects

2012-07-29 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 29 July 2012 22:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can your masters degree in mathematics point out where in Wikimedia's
 statement it said all or implied anything other than having met some of
 Portuguese Wikipedia's top contributors? Not sure what the big deal is.

 The word all actually appeared in my email that Steven was replying
 to. He claimed that a majority of Portuguese Wikipedians being from
 Brazil contradicted my statement that not all (top) Portuguese
 Wikipedians are from Brazil. That was a straw man argument, due to
 all and majority not meaning the same thing.

confirming.. there are residents of Portugal in

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaPT.htm#wikipedians

but the 'majority' do appear to be Brazilian.  I cant easily see if
those top contributors attended the meetups at

https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/22/brazil-meetups-march/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Subject: IRC office hours to discuss FDC eligibility criteria and next steps

2012-07-24 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Michael and everyone,

I added the IRC office hours on meta, and made the mistake.  Sorry
about this.  Thanks to the WMF for holding two office hours so
Australians can attend.

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Michael Jahn michael.j...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 Just about to put this information on WMDE's blog, but I'm confused about
 the timing:

 16:00 UTC and 23.00 UTC are given as starting times in the below email
 (which is 9 PDT and 16 PDT). But on Meta it reads 9 _UTC_ and 16 _UTC_,
 respectively:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_Office_Hours

 Clarification would be much appreciated!

 Best,
 Michael


 2012/7/21 Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org

 Dear Wikimedia Community,

 As you may have seen, last week the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
 passed a resolution to establish the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC)
 [1].
 Full details about the planned structure and processes of the FDC can be
 found in the framework proposed to the Board [2]. This framework was
 developed over the past few months with input from a variety of people
 across the movement.

 We will be holding two sets of *IRC office hours* on *Wednesday 25 July*,
 to answer any questions community members may have about the FDC process;
 in particular the first step of establishing the eligibility to apply to
 the FDC. Office hours will be held:

 · 16:00-17:00 UTC/09:00 PDT Wednesday, July 25th

 · 23:00-23:59 UTC/16:00 PDT Wednesday, July 25th

 On *Monday 23 July 2012*, the Foundation will publish a list of eligible
 entities based on the eligibility criteria established in the framework
 [3].
 Please let me know if you believe there are any corrections to be made to
 this list. Entities who are interested in applying for funds through the
 FDC but are ineligible due to compliance issues should work with the
 Foundation to develop a plan to correct compliance issues.

 Entities who are ineligible for other reasons - or who would prefer not to
 go through the FDC process in this round -may seek funding through the
 Wikimedia Foundation Grants Program.

 I will be sending out a more detailed email on Monday to inform you of this
 list and next steps in the process. I look forward to speaking with you on
 Wednesday.


 Sincerely,

 Garfield Byrd

 (WMF Chief of Finance and Administration)



 [1]

 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Funds_Dissemination_Committee_framework_and_initial_operation

 [2]

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Draft_FDC_Proposal_for_the_Board

 [3]

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Sample_letter_of_intent_and_eligibility_checklist


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Geolocalization improvement proposal

2012-07-23 Thread John Vandenberg
A location gadget would be a way to start. With a gadget, it is opt-in.
On Jul 23, 2012 7:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 birgitte...@yahoo.com, 23/07/2012 14:28:

 I am unaware of what the shortcomings of the current system are and where
 any improvements would be felt. This makes it a bit hard to have a firm
 opinion of the trade-offs involved with changing the system. So what
 exactly are the problems people are having with the current geolocation
 system?


 As the page tries to prove, looks like the current system is completely
 unreliable and therefore useless for most geonotices in Italy and probably
 other places.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-07-21 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Mike,

You are going to find it difficult to find people who want to give
their time to your project, as the cost benefit ratio is very low.  If
people had more time, they would be spending it rescuing the articles
before deletion (on a non-profit wesbsite), rather than preparing them
for rescuing after deletion (on a for-profit website).

By reposting the content somewhere else, you are taking responsibility
for it.  And by hosting it, Wikia is also taking responsibility for
it.

And that responsibility requires you to work with the existing system,
warts and all.  Even good changes to the system will take a long time
to become standard practise.

Before trying to change New Page Patrol, you should try doing New Page
Patrol for a few days.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 4:33 AM, Mike  Dupont
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
 John, and others.

 I have finally figured out a big problem with my plan. The articles for
 deletion are not tagged peoperly at all. There are authors who know for a
 fact that articles are mistagged and have no proper copyvio tagging, and
 now they are accusing me of hosting copyvio articles. I see this a problem
 in the wikipedia deletion system, if an editor knows for a fact that an
 articles is in violation of copyright then they should tag it as Such. I
 have written scripts to strip out artilces that are properly tagged. Lets
 sit down and work out a plan for a proper system of sorting out what is not
 notable, and waht is copyrightvio. I want to host the non notable artilces.
 My argument is that giving non-notable bands and actors etc an outlet to be
 hosted will reduce repeated reposting of articles. I have been sorting
 through all these articles, contacting people and many of them are
 thankful, I would be suprized if any of them would repost the deleted
 article, like the Jack Psyco from .au, someone reposted his article many
 many times.
 Please support me in cleaning up the deletion and tagging process, I am
 willing to put some work into this. I can write code as well.
 Some people have asked me not to use the mailing list, but I wanted to
 bring up this up in response to your mail.

 Please see
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdupont/SpeedyDeletionWikia
 and
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mdupont#Speedy_backup_-_copyvios_and_attack_pages.3F

 thanks
 mike
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 8:00 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think we need to ensure that BLP deletions are tagged appropriately.

 and this wikia needs to err on the side of caution in order to avoid
 causing subjects further grief in their pursuit to remove problematic
 content from Wikipedia.  i.e. if someone jumps through all the hoops
 to *help* us remove problematic content from Wikipedia, they are not
 going to be happy to learn that the same content has appeared on Wikia
 - its confusing, and they will blame Wikipedia, and IMO they are right
 to do so as this Wikia is run by people in the Wikimedia community,
 and due to the overlap in the WMF board and Wikia board, now and
 historically.

 e.g. this AFD mentioned WP:BLP1E and was categorised into AfD
 debates (Biographical)


 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Alexander_Kinyua
 http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Alexander_Kinyua

 Until we are confident that BLP problems are not being imported into
 the wikia, the content shouldnt be indexed.  I assume  __NOINDEX__
 works on Wikia?

 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Although I can understand the appeal of this concept, I am concerned
  that a deleted-articles wiki or site will perpetuate the publicity
  given to pages that are properly deleted from Wikipedia because they
  contain offensive personal attacks, harassment, cyberbullying,
  defamation, and BLP violations. These are not always flagged in the
  deletion grounds, especially in speedy situations (e.g. if a harassing
  or defamatory article does not assert the subject's notability, it
  will often be deleted on that ground without its being tagged as an
  attack page, etc.). This issue strikes me as extremely serious. How do
  you plan to address it?
 
  Newyorkbrad
 
  On 6/10/12, Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Hi,
  I have launched speedydeletion.wika.com , it is updated every 30
 minutes
  with the proposed deletions and speedy deletion articles (not notable
 and
  hoaxes, not others).
  it is running on the en.wikipedia.org. the sources for the script are
 all
  on git hub and are a merger of pywikipediabot and the wikiteam
 codebases.
  hope you enjoy it,
  thanks,
  mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread John Vandenberg
If wmf has trademarks secured, now is the time to release the copyrights
and high res. versions.

Idealistic maybe. But when we talk to the public, we talk about ideals. Its
odd that community members cant put logos of community-run projects into
slides. Its unfortunate that wikipedia doesnt meet the debian definition of
'free'. Etc.
On Jul 9, 2012 7:25 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On 09/07/12 06:17, birgitte...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  The most basic answer (someone form WMF can correct me if I am
  somehow misled here) is that the logos are not released under a
  free license because they are trademarks.

 To be precise, the logos were not released under a free license
 because it was imagined that some day they would be trademarks.
 According to the trademark searches I did just now, the Wikipedia logo
 was only registered as a trademark in 2008, and the other projects as
 late as May 2012.

 The WMF felt that trademark licensing would be a useful way to raise
 money, as a complement to donations. For example, this website has a
 trademark license:

 http://wikipedia.wp.pl/

 Obviously to support that sort of licensing arrangement, you need at
 least one sort of protection (copyright or trademark). Also, there was
 concern that a free license like the GFDL might be argued to be an
 implicit trademark license. Lawyers tend to be conservative on that
 type of issue.

 Currently, WMF does not even publish the 3D source files for the
 Wikipedia logo, or a high-resolution rendered image. I think that's a
 bigger problem than the lack of a free license, since it prevents
 people from improving the current poor-quality 3D rendering and
 contributing the results back to the project.

 -- Tim Starling


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-04 Thread John Vandenberg
Or a template at the top.

'This article relies on newspaper sources...please contribute better
sources or tag with notability if  you cant find any better sources.'

P.s. This offtopic thread should be on Wikipedia lists as its not about the
movement in general.

On Jul 4, 2012 6:13 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 July 2012 01:38, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:

  Well, if I were suddenly named dictator of Wikipedia, I'd probably
suggest
  that a recent event namespace be created, where popular media were
  acceptable sources, and make them verbotten in mainspace.  Mainspace
  articles might have a hatnote with a link to the other namespace along
the
  lines of for recent, less authoritative coverage.

 You could avoid the whole namespace issue by simply highlighting
 articles or parts of article that are based on popular media.  Like
 non-canon stuff on fiction wikis.  Highlight its background in blue or
 something.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia founder's petition: Stop extradition of O'Dwyer

2012-06-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
nemow...@gmail.com wrote:
 Evolution of political battles (this one on piracy).
 http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/richard-o-dwyer-my-petition
 This is currently first on http://www.guardian.co.uk/ (UK news but I've seen
 it on TV while they were showing headlines on Euro 2012...).

The petition text is at

http://www.change.org/petitions/ukhomeoffice-stop-the-extradition-of-richard-o-dwyer-to-the-usa-saverichard

Richard O'Dwyer is a 24 year old British student at Sheffield Hallam
University in the UK. He is facing extradition to the USA and up to
ten years in prison, for creating a website – TVShack.net – which
linked (similar to a search-engine) to places to watch TV and movies
online.

O'Dwyer is not a US citizen, he's lived in the UK all his life, his
site was not hosted there, and most of his users were not from the US.
America is trying to prosecute a UK citizen for an alleged crime which
took place on UK soil.

The internet as a whole must not tolerate censorship in response to
mere allegations of copyright infringement. As citizens we must stand
up for our rights online.

When operating his site, Richard O'Dwyer always did his best to play
by the rules: on the few occasions he received requests to remove
content from copyright holders, he complied. His site hosted links,
not copyrighted content, and these were submitted by users.

Copyright is an important institution, serving a beneficial moral and
economic purpose. But that does not mean that copyright can or should
be unlimited. It does not mean that we should abandon time-honoured
moral and legal principles to allow endless encroachments on our civil
liberties in the interests of the moguls of Hollywood.

Richard O'Dwyer is the human face of the battle between the content
industry and the interests of the general public. Earlier this year,
in the fight against the anti-copyright bills SOPA and PIPA, the
public won its first big victory. This could be our second.

This is why I am petitioning the UK's Home Secretary Theresa May to
stop the extradition of Richard O'Dwyer. I hope you will join me.

- Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia founder

We only have an English Wikipedia article about O'Dwyer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_O%27Dwyer

-- 
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright information not digitised?

2012-06-23 Thread John Vandenberg
There are scans of most of the relevant records, and the records for books
are also transcribed by Project Gutenberg and searchable at a stanford uni
website. See en.ws template PD-US-no-renewal. The scans need to be
transcribed to increase accessibility.
On Jun 24, 2012 3:50 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:



 According to:

 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120330/12402418305/why-missing-20th-century-books-is-even-worse-than-it-seems.shtml

 a lot of books have an uncertain copyright status, because the Copyright
 Office records have not been
 digitized yet.

 Is this true? Would offering to help digitize these records fit in our
 mission
 (especially wrt WikiSource) ?

 sincerely,
Kim Bruning


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-28 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
 On Monday, 21 May 2012, Samuel Klein wrote:

  O'Reilly is offering works under 14 years (c), thence CC-by

 Campaign idea: set up a named class of license for friendly groups
 like O'Reilly that are committing to 14 years, which are defined by
 terming out in no more than 14 years to CC0 or equivalent PD
 declarations.


 A thought on naming.

 The obvious way to badge such a license is through Creative Commons; but
 we've spilled vast amounts of metaphorical ink over is NC free? and is
 ND free?, and one of the results is a good deal of confusion over what a
 free license is, what we should campaign for, etc etc etc.

 If we throw into the mix *another* license from the same stable, the
 situation gets even more muddled. The inevitable vague descriptions (this
 work is under a creative commons license with no definition or link is
 surprisingly common) will encompass a much wider range of use cases - do
 what you like, just credit me and all rights utterly reserved until 2025
 will be under the same umbrella.

 - Andrew.

I'd love to see -NC and -ND dropped from the CC catalog, but I doubt
its going to happen.

It would be nice if -NC and -ND had a time limit on them, after which
the work becomes CC-BY or CC-BY-SA.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Watchlist email notifications enabled on all wikis

2012-04-27 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Please, do not enable this feature by default. A lot of people do not
 like  10 emails/day in their mailbox, and I have such amount of
 watchlisted edits even in smaller projects like Meta.

A daily digest would be cool.

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30187

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikipedia-l] Fwd: Harvard Library releases 12M bibliographic records under CC0

2012-04-26 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Lydia Pintscher
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:12 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 2012/4/25 emijrp emi...@gmail.com:
 Perhaps it is OK for Wikidata.

 I think it's perfectly OK with Wikidata, and it would be with
 Wikisource (if we had a metadata management system :-).
 As far as I understood, Wikidata will engage sister projects data in
 2015 (i'm gonna cry).

 This isn't clear yet. It's unlikely to happen before the end of the
 initial development in a year. We still have to see what happens after
 that. It might happen before 2015 or not.

Andrea will run out of tears by 2015. ;-(

Could we have one sister-projects IRC session in the near future?

-- 
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-25 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote:
..

 It really amazes me how much we distrust the people who have been
 doing a great work (otrs admins, ombudsmen, etc).

 And all upon contrived hypothetical scenarios.  And how about one of
 the root-access devs is secretly working for the goverment of... is
 anyone working on a solution for this?

Good governance is not built on blind trust.

It is important to be able to periodically check that there hasnt been abuse.

The OTRS admins are doing great work, and enwp oversight and arbcom
have moved under OTRS despite the lack of an audit trail, but I will
continue to ask for one because I believe it is important.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-24 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Thehelpfulone
 thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote:
 You would be able to easily keep track of what tickets have
 been answered, but as far as I am aware the OTRS admins
 are technically able to view all the emails in any queues -
 so that would be another 12ish people plus devs that would
 be able to view the tickets. I'm not saying that they would,
 but bearing in mind a fair number of the OTRS admins are
 checkusers/oversighters themselves, I think there will be
 some issues with using OTRS.

 Queues are normally setup so that the OTRS admins can see all tickets.
 This makes things easier when checking for errors, making sure there
 are no backlogs, cleaning up cross-queue spam, etc. However, there are
 definitely some private queues -- like the oversight and Wikimedia
 registration/scholarship queues -- that OTRS admins cannot see unless
 they give themselves access to it, which they wouldn't do unless they
 needed to for some reason.

Is there an auditable log of these actions?  i.e. one that OTRS admins
cant doctor?

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