Re: [Wikimedia-l] Giving Commons a bigger public

2020-05-29 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:12 AM Michael Peel  wrote:

>
> It’s worth remembering that this functionality is built in to Commons,
> it’s just not as user-friendly. From the example below, if you put
> "haswbstatement:P180=Q191931” into the Commons searchbox, you will get the
> same results. Thanks to the structured data on commons project+team!
>
>
This is true.

The Structured Data team is working on a media search prototype that is
similar in function to Hay's tool. It's in the very earliest of early
stages, that is to say that it works, and the team would like to hear
feedback.

Have a look over the project page if you're interested to see what a tool
like Hay's could look like on Commons itself:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Media_search

Comments welcome on the talk page, I'm slowly spreading the word about this.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Structured data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

2019-01-10 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Captions can now be added to files on Commons. There's a bug with
abusefilter sending errors to new accounts adding captions, the bug is
being investigated and fixed right now. IRC office hours will be in a
little over one hour from now, I look forward to seeing you there if you
can attend.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Structured data - file captions coming this week (January 2019)

2019-01-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 3:42 PM Pine W via Commons-l <
common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the news, Keegan. I'm cross-posting the info to other lists
> with the date boldly corrected.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
> ---
>
> Hi all, following up on last month's announcement... [0]
>
> Multilingual file captions will be released this week, on either
> Wednesday, 9 January or Thursday, 10 January 2019. Captions are a feature
> to add short, translatable descriptions to files. Here's some links you
> might want to look follow before the release, if you haven't already:
>
> * Read over the help page for using captions - I wrote the page on
> mediawiki.org because captions are available for any MediaWiki user, feel
> free to host/modify a copy of the page here on Commons. [1]
> * Test out using captions on Beta Commons. [2]
> * Leave feedback about the test on the captions test talk page, if you
> have anything you'd like to say prior to release. [3]
>
> Additionally, there will be an IRC office hour on Thursday, 10 January
> with the Structured Data team to talk about file captions, as well as
> anything else the community may be interested in. Date/time conversion, as
> well as a link to join, are on Meta. [4]
>
> Thanks for your time, I look forward to seeing those who can make it to
> the IRC office hour on Thursday. I'll reply to this post once I confirm
> exactly what day file captions will be released to Commons.
>
> 0.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Village_pump=331569911#Structured_data_-_Multilingual_captions_beta_testing
> 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:File_captions
> 2. https://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/
> 3.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Beta_captions_testing
> 4. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours
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Captions are scheduled to go live tomorrow, Thursday 10 January, between
15:00 and 16:00 UTC. The time window may change at the last minute, and the
team my hold the deployment (or roll it back) if last minute problems
occur. Should that happen I will keep you all informed, and I'll see you
all at the IRC office hour tomorrow.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First structured licensing and copyright discussion for Wikimedia Commons

2018-03-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> The first conversation about structured licensing and copyright on Commons
> for the Structured Data project [0] is available for participation [1]. The
> purpose of the discussion is to help identify the best way to build a model
> for copyright information and licenses on Commons. More detailed
> discussions will come later this year.
>
> Thanks!
>
> ​0. ​https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
> ​1.​ https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/
> Get_involved/Feedback_requests/First_licensing_consultation
>

​Friendly reminder that this conversation will continue through the end of
the month. Jarekt has written an excellent summary of the discussion to
this point:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/First_licensing_consultation#Discussion_so_far​


​Come by, read up and participate if you're interested. There will be more
in-depth conversations around these topics in the near future as well.

Thanks again, see you on the wikis.​


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[Wikimedia-l] First structured licensing and copyright discussion for Wikimedia Commons

2018-03-16 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Greetings,

The first conversation about structured licensing and copyright on Commons
for the Structured Data project [0] is available for participation [1]. The
purpose of the discussion is to help identify the best way to build a model
for copyright information and licenses on Commons. More detailed
discussions will come later this year.

Thanks!

​0. ​https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
​1.​
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/First_licensing_consultation

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[Wikimedia-l] Global preferences available for testing

2018-02-27 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Greetings,

Global Preferences [0], a result of the 2016 Community Wishlist campaign
[1], are ready for testing before being released to the wikis.

To test them out and leave feedback, login or register on a beta wiki such
as the English Wikipedia [2], German Wiktionary [3] or Hebrew Wikipedia
[4], then visit your global preferences [5]. After that you can wander
around the beta wikis, trying things out. If you find bugs or anything else
of note to comment on, you can leave feedback on the Help discussion page
[6].

Thanks, see you on the wikis.

​0. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:GlobalPreferences
1.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Categories/Miscellaneous#Global_settings
2. https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org
3. https://de.wiktionary.beta.wmflabs.org
4. https://he.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org
5. Special:GlobalPreferences (for example
https://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Special:GlobalPreferences )
6. ​https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help_talk:Extension:GlobalPreferences

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Structured Data on Commons feedback - What gets stored where (Ontology)

2018-02-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hello,

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> There is a new feedback request up on Wikimedia Commons regarding
> Structured Data on Commons. The topic is a very important discussion:
> between wikitext-in-Mediawiki, Wikibase on Commons, and Wikibase on
> Wikidata, what file metadata gets store where?
>
> The discussion is here: https://commons.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology [0]
>
> It will formally run for two weeks, closing on 1 March. There will not be
> decisions made at that time, this is a part of the information-gathering
> process in order to make the informed decisions.
>
> Thank you for your time, see you on the wiki.
>
> 0. Plaintext link: < https://commons.wikimedia.org/
> wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology >
>
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>

A friendly reminder that this discussion about an important aspect of
Structured Data on Commons runs for one more week.

​The link one more time, for those whose email clients may have collapsed
the quoted text:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology

The ongoing discussion:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology

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[Wikimedia-l] Structured Data on Commons feedback - What gets stored where (Ontology)

2018-02-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Greetings,

There is a new feedback request up on Wikimedia Commons regarding
Structured Data on Commons. The topic is a very important discussion:
between wikitext-in-Mediawiki, Wikibase on Commons, and Wikibase on
Wikidata, what file metadata gets store where?

The discussion is here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology
[0]

It will formally run for two weeks, closing on 1 March. There will not be
decisions made at that time, this is a part of the information-gathering
process in order to make the informed decisions.

Thank you for your time, see you on the wiki.

0. Plaintext link: <
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Get_involved/Feedback_requests/Ontology
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours - Structured Commons - Tuesday 13 February

2018-02-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Final reminder that this is taking place in 30 minutes in #wikimedia-office

Join by browser if you do not have an IRC client:

https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> A reminder that this is occurring tomorrow, 13 February.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> As the subject line says, there will be a Wikimedia Foundation-hosted IRC
>> office hours [0] this coming Tuesday, 13 February 2018, from 18:00-19:00
>> UTC [1]. The topic is Structured Data on Commons, and the subjects are
>> mainly whatever those who attend would like to discuss. The Structured Data
>> hub has information about what the development team has been up this past
>> year as well as upcoming plans [2] for those who might like to prepare or
>> find interesting things to talk about.
>>
>> The Structured Data team also issues a newsletter every few months. You
>> can subscribe to have it delivered to a talk page, receive a notification
>> instead delivery, and read past issues. Find out more on Meta [3].
>>
>> I'll be sending out a reminder email a few hours before this occurs in
>> one week's time.
>>
>> Thank you for your time, I hope to see you there.
>>
>> 0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
>> 1. To check your local date and time for the office hours <
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=
>> 18=00=0=13=02=2018 >
>> 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development
>> 3. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targ
>> ets/Structured_Data_on_Commons
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours - Structured Commons - Tuesday 13 February

2018-02-12 Thread Keegan Peterzell
A reminder that this is occurring tomorrow, 13 February.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> As the subject line says, there will be a Wikimedia Foundation-hosted IRC
> office hours [0] this coming Tuesday, 13 February 2018, from 18:00-19:00
> UTC [1]. The topic is Structured Data on Commons, and the subjects are
> mainly whatever those who attend would like to discuss. The Structured Data
> hub has information about what the development team has been up this past
> year as well as upcoming plans [2] for those who might like to prepare or
> find interesting things to talk about.
>
> The Structured Data team also issues a newsletter every few months. You
> can subscribe to have it delivered to a talk page, receive a notification
> instead delivery, and read past issues. Find out more on Meta [3].
>
> I'll be sending out a reminder email a few hours before this occurs in one
> week's time.
>
> Thank you for your time, I hope to see you there.
>
> 0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
> 1. To check your local date and time for the office hours <
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> hour=18=00=0=13=02=2018 >
> 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development
> 3. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/
> Targets/Structured_Data_on_Commons
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[Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours - Structured Commons - Tuesday 13 February

2018-02-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Greetings,

As the subject line says, there will be a Wikimedia Foundation-hosted IRC
office hours [0] this coming Tuesday, 13 February 2018, from 18:00-19:00
UTC [1]. The topic is Structured Data on Commons, and the subjects are
mainly whatever those who attend would like to discuss. The Structured Data
hub has information about what the development team has been up this past
year as well as upcoming plans [2] for those who might like to prepare or
find interesting things to talk about.

The Structured Data team also issues a newsletter every few months. You can
subscribe to have it delivered to a talk page, receive a notification
instead delivery, and read past issues. Find out more on Meta [3].

I'll be sending out a reminder email a few hours before this occurs in one
week's time.

Thank you for your time, I hope to see you there.

0. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours
1. To check your local date and time for the office hours <
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=18=00=0=13=02=2018
>
2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Development
3.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza <gti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
> > articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to
> > write about here."
> >
> > That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject is
> > anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on other
> > subjects.
>
>
> Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume other
> parties to have; it's contrary to the Wikimedia movement's social best
> practices [1] and bound to take discussions in unproductive directions.
> When criticizing what someone said, stick to what they actually said.
> Especially so if your accusation of bad faith would be essentially
> content-free.


​Todd, Gnangarra, Gergő,

My intention, as I touched on earlier, was not to make a personal attack
but to address the tone in which I perceived the email to be written. I
don't believe Gnangarra is actually sexist. I certainly stand by my
position that the content of the initial post is unhelpful criticism and
mostly hyperbole, but I'm more than willing to apologize if my language
came across as a personal attack. I could have written it differently. So,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
>>
>>
> ​I didn't. I'm calling out the tone.
> ​
>
>> We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like
>> the
>> "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they
>> would do and how.
>>
>
> ​Yes, the horrible place bots like User:Rambot on the English Wikipedia.
> The bot started almost every place stub in the United States, and almost
> every one of those seeds has generated a more fully formed article.
>

​Sorry, I misquoted. "Horrible projects" is actually worse.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen  wrote:

> Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here.
>
>
​I didn't. I'm calling out the tone.
​

> We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the
> "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they
> would do and how.
>

​Yes, the horrible place bots like User:Rambot on the English Wikipedia.
The bot started almost every place stub in the United States, and almost
every one of those seeds has generated a more fully formed article.
​

>
> This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118
> editors signed up. That is, even if we presume 100% participation (which is
> generally wildly optimistic), nearly 1000 articles per editor to reach that
> goal. If somehow that does happen, there are four judges who would need to
> review, if the goal is reached, 25000 articles each. Those are not
> realistic numbers.
>
> Add into that financial incentives for being the most prolific, and we're
> setting up for a very foreseeable disaster.
>

​Risk management is one thing. A foreseeable disaster is quite another.
Overblown hyperbole.
​

>
> I have no problems with editing initiatives focused on underrepresented
> areas. But they need to have realistic goals, numbers actually run during
> planning, and most importantly, no financial rewards. This project is not a
> good idea.
>

​Mmmhmm, and who should be the ones to set the goals? The ones that "know
better"?

I'd advise you all who'd like to tell people what they're doing wrong,
instead focus on helping people to do things right.

Otherwise, this is just patronizing.​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> I cant believe this
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_
> in_Red/The_World_Contest
> has
> got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on
> english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impact on the
> community.
>
> I find it ironic that a competition is being funded to encourage current
> contributors to do what we wont accept from new editors.  If a new editor
> was to create an article it wouldnt pass through the Articles for Creation
> process because its half the size of the minimum set there. Many of the
> competition articles will just get tagged CSD - A1, A7, A9 even G2
>
> While there is a nice bot that will count the size of the prose, there is
> no automated process for checking copyright violations, checking for
> notability and most importantly checking for BLP with the aim of 100,000
> the community will years to clean up the mess that is about to be created.
>
> ​we are 15 days from this disaster commencing​
>

​Here's another unsolicited thought:

Instead of complaining and writing seemingly sexist screeds about attempts
to broaden the breadth of knowledge within Wikipedia, why don't you help?

I'm sure copyediting, referencing, infoboxes, and all the other general
wiki work will need some assistance.​ You have years of experience editing
the wikis. Seems like a win/win.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
"The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's nothing to
write about here."

That's basically what your email says. No complaints when the subject is
anything else from you, when these thematic editing are held on other
subjects.


This looks like a wondeful initiative, not a disaster.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:05 AM, John Erling Blad  wrote:
​​


> Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some sound baseline
> policies, and with the option for local projects to refine those? Perhaps
> with assistance from editors on Wikipedia?
>
​

Precedent has​

​that the Board of Trustees can issue resolutions urging communities to
adopt certain policies, such as the resolution on Biographies of Living
People in 2009 [0].

0.
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Biographies_of_living_people

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Todd Allen  wrote:

>  I'd definitely agree there. There are a few non-negotiable points (NPOV,
> copyright and licensing, nonfree content, etc.), but outside those,
> individual projects generally have latitude to run things as their
> community needs.


​The English Wikivoyage has a "Be fair" policy, which is explicitly
different from NPOV [0].​ Copyright also varies from wiki to wiki, as fair
use for non-free content on the English Wikipedia exemplifies [1].

Things are not so simple.
​​
​0. https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Be_fair#Neutral_point_of_view​
​1. ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] community survey request

2017-02-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 6:30 AM, James Heilman  wrote:

> Is this with respect to what to do about undisclosed paid editing or
> something else?
>
> J
>

​I believe it has to do with this list that Bill compiled, related to
political action: <
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-February/086231.html
>​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation duties

2017-02-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net>
wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> I know that at times keeping on top of a mailing list as "spicy" of this
> one must have been a tough job.  It's one that you've done well, in this
> subscriber's opinion.  Thanks for your service.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig Franklin
>
>
​What Craig said. Thank you for volunteering in the first place.​

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[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to review: Design Statement of Purpose

2016-11-10 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hello all,

Over the past few months the Design team members at the Wikimedia
Foundation (user experience [UX] designers, design researchers, user
experience engineers, and communications) have been working with Arthur
Richards from the Team Practices Group to identify the high-level themes
that motivate design at the WMF. These themes have been turned into a brief
statement of purpose, whose intent is to articulate the vision and purpose
behind design at the WMF. This statement will influence the future
direction of design work.

At this point the stakeholders are ready for a review of the draft
statement. The purpose of this review is to gather a common understanding
of its purpose, and to identify any key themes that may be missing from the
high-level discussion. On the wiki page for the statement, you'll find
these themes and what they encompass in the "Background" section. If you
have an observation, comment, or concern about what is listed there, please
bring it up on the talk page. If it is relevant to the review and
understanding of the statement, it will be looked at for future drafts. If
there are comments about design and the design process in general, we'll
hold on to those until a time when they can be addressed for the broader
discussion of design in general.

All that said, here are the links:
* <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Design/Statement_of_purpose>
* <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Design/Statement_of_purpose>

We look forward to seeing you on the wiki.
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[Wikimedia-l] Repost: Technical Collaboration Guideline

2016-11-04 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Thanks to Pine for pointing out that some emails to WikimediaAnnounce-l
were not going through to Wikimedia-l; I think this is such a post. I
originally sent this on 24 October, and the only thing in the list archive
is a reply from SarahSV, thanking us for the work [2] (much appreciated, by
the way).

So, here is what I sent in case someone missed it. If you've seen it
already, you can disregard. Thanks in advance.

Greetings,
> Wikimedians, please review something we are working on for the Wikimedia
> Foundation, the Technical Collaboration Guideline [0].
> The Technical Collaboration Guideline (TCG) is a set of best practice
> recommendations, for planning and communicating product and project
> information to Wikimedia communities, in order to work better, together.
> The TCG allows Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) Product teams and Wikimedia
> communities to work together in a systematic way in the product development
> and deployment cycle. It is hoped that the TCG is useful enough to be
> utilized in planning and communications regarding any project, from anyone.
> The TCG is intended to be flexible as plans and products change in
> development; it is a guide whose contents will help build collaborative
> relationships.
> The initial draft of the TCG was written after discussions in small groups
> with members of the Community Liaisons and Product Management teams, to
> identify successes and failures in communication, and what we can do to
> encourage collaboration with the communities. Over the next month, I am
> seeking review and feedback from Wikimedia community members. All feedback
> that is left will be read; if there is a case for immediate action, it will
> be made. All feedback will be taken into consideration when editing the
> next draft of the TCG. Please keep in mind that the TCG is intended to be
> lightweight information and instruction and will not be completely
> comprehensive. The TCG and the conversations about it are in English, but
> comments from all languages are welcome.
> Over the next few days, this invitation for review will be distributed
> across the wikis.
> Also, within the coming weeks, I'll be announcing a review on behalf of
> the WMF's Design team. They have been working diligently over the past few
> months to identify and define the purpose of design within the WMF, and
> they are looking forward to sharing this statement of purpose with the
> broader Wikimedia movement for comment. If you're interested, please be on
> the lookout for this review announcement.
> I look forward to reading your comments on the wiki [1].


0. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration_Guideline

1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Technical_Collaboration_Guideline

2.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-October/085298.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Translators-l] Purodha passed away

2016-09-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
I was not expecting this at all, not that it's ever expected...

:(:(:(:(

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forwarding news of the passing of a Wikimedian, User:Purodha.
>
> May he rest in peace. Condolences to his family and friends.
>
> Pine
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Johan Jönsson" <jjons...@wikimedia.org>
> Date: Sep 2, 2016 12:38
> Subject: [Translators-l] Purodha passed away
> To: "Wikimedia Translators" <translator...@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> One of the most active members of our small translator community and on
> this list, Purodha, has passed away, his political party states
> <http://www.seidenstadt-piraten.de/2016/08/26/wir-
> trauern-farewell-purodha/>.
> On his Meta talk page, he reported having had a serious health breakdown in
> mid-August, but was recovering and even resumed translating. Unfortunately,
> his recovery didn't last long. We'll have fewer Ripuarian translations in
> the future.
>
> He was active in the German-speaking community and there's a condolences
> page on German Wikipedia:
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Purodha/Kondolenzliste
>
> //Johan Jönsson
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> I agree that there can be a benefit to internal promotions in the sense
> that less onboarding is required. On the other hand, sometimes a fresh
> perspective is helpful, and at least one of the interim Cs has been
> insistent that they want to return to their previous job.
>
> Also, while people are in interim roles, their departments are down a
> person unless their previous positions are somehow backfilled, perhaps with
> contractors. I have already heard from one department that they are feeling
> the squeeze.
>
> Pine


​I'm not really comfortable with gossip here, whether about a Wikimedia
project or the WMF.​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts about Wikimedia-l communications

2016-07-27 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Pine W  wrote:

>
> 5. I would encourage us to experiment with Discourse (
> https://www.discourse.org/faq/) to see if it will provide a platform that
> is easier to use than our current mailing list setup. Perhaps we could set
> up a test instance and move a small number of lists there, and evaluate how
> those go. If the tests go well then we could consider moving progressively
> higher traffic mailing lists to Discourse.
>

https://discourse.wmflabs.org/

​It's been up for awhile now, came about from a conversation on this list.
No idea how much traffic it's getting.​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Keegan, that may very well be true (though I would say it's certain
> communication channels, not "our entire movement.")
>
> But stating that has no logical relation whatsoever to whether or not a
> certain trustee should remain in their position.
>

​You are correct, because that's not where I was going with that: Denny's
account here has no logical relation as to whether or not Jimmy should be
on the board. It's being used to promote a political position.​


>
> Also: If there are eight people who repeat something ad nauseum, doesn't it
> stand to reason that there might be more than eight who feel the same way,
> but don't see the benefit in repeating it ad nauseum? Doesn't it stand to
> reason that there might be more than eight who *cannot* publicly state
> their view, without risking (in reality or in their imagination)
> substantial backlash due to their roles?


​Yes, there is a political camp within the movement that is anti-Jimmy that
is larger than eight people. These eight do a fine job speaking up loudly
to let us know that there is a political camp that is anti-Jimmy. That's
fine to feel that way. To continually hijack important conversations about
vision, strategy, and process to have to /always/ talk about a single
individual or cause is harmful to our movement. It's simple
DivideAndConquer group dynamics, and it should not be supported. I'm not
saying that people or groups cannot or should not be criticised - it's very
important. But the shell game that Blame Jimmy is not helpful in the least.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke  wrote:

> I would venture quite a bit more than 'eight people' are annoyed by the
> constant and blatant double standard.
>
> And oh, I now anticipate a patronizing mail that starts with 'Hoi,' and
> ends with 'Thanks' -- it's not just 'the same eight people' that keep
> repeating their position ad nauseam.
>
>
​Our general movement mailing list is a cesspool of personal vendettas,
fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and people taking advantage of that in the
guise of caring about the movement. It's quite embarrassing.

I now anticipate the {{cn}} response, so here it is:

​https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> We already have one of those.
> Cheers,
> P


​Right, okay, whatever.

Combing through WM-l archives for the past six months, there is a pattern:

James is removed from the board - the same eight people write JIMMY MUST GO
Jimmy and James get into it in a public space -
the same eight people write JIMMY MUST GO
​The Arnon thing happens - the same eight people write JIMMY MUST GO
The Knowledge Engine thing happens - the same eight people write JIMMY MUST
GO
The Lila thing happens - the same eight people write JIMMY MUST GO
Denny writes this email - the same eight people write JIMMY MUST GO

Let's think on that for a bit when we want to talk about the power of
politics, and who is playing what game and what side they are on.

Did none of you who replied to this email from Denny with JIMMY MUST GO
bother to notice that Jimmy's name isn't even mentioned in this chain of
dysfunctional events? I suspect not, because the line has already clearly
drawn uncompromising the sand, and it was drawn years ago. If you want to
continue to pretend that Jimmy Wales is the root of all that's wrong with
the movement, that's your prerogative, but there's a reason why it's only
the same people saying it over and over again.

Denny, thank you for sharing your side of the story.
​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Why is it that when we want to be critical of our internal movement
collaborators this list is the primary vehicle for personal insult from
micro-aggressions to outright hostility, but this discussion is off-topic?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding Citation Hunt

2016-04-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 11:54 AM, James Salsman  wrote:

> How do people feel about a few of the larger the Chapters funding pilots to
> have professional researchers do https://tools.wmflabs.org/citationhunt/en
> and a few other main languages?
>

​Might I suggest you approach some of these larger chapters and see what
they think? Popular opinion on the general mailing list isn't much currency
when you're talking about use of actual currency for chapters.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Outage for planned maintenance: No editing for two 30-minute periods next week

2016-04-18 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 4:55 AM, Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com> wrote:

> Well this is most unfortunate as we have a workshop with new contributors
> on the 19t!
> I wish I could have been informed much much earlier...
> Nattes à chat


For list archive posterity, Whatamidoing/Sherry reached out to Natacha
off-list, I believe any potential issue with the workshop has been
resolved.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Hello Mr. ccc, Now you can have your own Wikipedia page

2016-04-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Cristian Consonni 
wrote:

> 2016-04-06 22:06 GMT+02:00 Florence Devouard :
> > A relationship of mine received the email below and forwarded it to me.
> > http://yourprmanager.com/
>
> This is appalling.


​Heh.  and the testimonials page.

Browsing around, the entire site looks like corporate catfishing [0].

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catfishing​
​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiwand

2016-03-31 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hey Gerard,

I think you might have missed *my* point? Please note that I was nuancing
something that Adam said that caught my eye. I broadly agree with your
(Gerard's) position.

You say: The notion that "people just want the content no matter how great
of awful
the skin is" is awful.

I agree it's an awful notion, but often times facts of the matter are
awful. Wikimedia content turns up in all kinds of curious places, in all
kinds of formats and design far beyond our control - because we make the
information free for people to do so, because that's what we want. We can
and should concentrate on our user interface, but I think removing/slimming
down/hiding editing tools in the interest of displaying content does a
disservice to what we do. The Wikiwands of the world should be welcomed to
rethink how to display content, we should learn from them, but I do not
think we should emulate them. Let them do their thing with our content, and
we can do ours. I don't see it as a competition, we should continue to do
what we can to create and curate more content for both our own use as well
as reuse, that's our end of the bargain.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Adam Wight  wrote:

>
> Keegan, what do you think about a feature flag which would control which
> use cases the interface is optimized for?  We could, for example, make the
> editor interface much richer if it wasn't also supporting pure reading.\
>
> -Adam


I like this idea.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Internship opening: product management at WMDE

2016-03-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forwarding info about an opportunity to intern in product management with
> Wikidata and the good people at Wikimedia Deutschland.
>
> Pine


Thanks for spreading the word, Pine!

I think it's worth drawing attention to the first bullet point in the role
description:

* [...] enrolled as a Bachelor or Master student at a German university or
college or qualified for working in Germany as an ERASMUS program student.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see
>> something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant
>> for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an
>> opportunity is not a goal by itself.
>> Kind regards
>> Ziko
>>
>
> ​Call it what you want, but the world is changed when ordinary people who
> are just trying to do ordinary things​
>
> ​have a roadblock put in front of them. This is that kind of thing, and
> it's the "revolution" power of the distributed internet.​ We can shut them
> down, but Angolans are going to find another way to do the very things that
> those with full access to the internet take for granted. As Jason says, we
> should take great caution and give deep thought before taking a binary side.
>
>
​Oh, and I'm not condoning the behavior or use of Wikimedia servers, but I
do think that the entire situation is much more nuanced than the simplicity
of "that's wrong."​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see
> something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant
> for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an
> opportunity is not a goal by itself.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>

​Call it what you want, but the world is changed when ordinary people who
are just trying to do ordinary things​

​have a roadblock put in front of them. This is that kind of thing, and
it's the "revolution" power of the distributed internet.​ We can shut them
down, but Angolans are going to find another way to do the very things that
those with full access to the internet take for granted. As Jason says, we
should take great caution and give deep thought before taking a binary side.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF non-disclosure agreements and non-disparagement clauses

2016-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Luis Villa  wrote:

>
> In mid-2013, the legal team put the standard employee NDA clauses, and a
> couple others, on-wiki at:
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreements#Wikimedia_Foundation.27s_non-disclosure_agreements
>
> Luis


​Thanks, Luis.

Direct link:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:WMF_Employment_Agreement_Confidentiality_Clauses-2013.pdf
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Kevin Gorman  wrote:

> Jimmy, given the fact that James has requested you release it combined with
> the fact that it contains no confidential information, please release the
> particular email James requested you release.  You've said that you would
> release it when you received permission from the board, but it was a
> private communication between James and you that did not contain any
> confidential information.  The combination of private emails from you to
> Pete, me, and I suspect the email James refers to, combined with your
> public statements, makes me honestly have serious doubts about your ability
> to place the interests of the WMF above your personal interests, something
> your position requires you do.
>
> I'm expecting no bombshells in the email - I imagine it's just insulting or
> untrue language directed at James - but you can't keep claiming to be an
> advocate of radical transparency while refusing to release emails that
> don't contain confidential information that shine light on an issue of
> public contention.  In three seconds, you could demonstrate that my
> concerns are unfounded and that your email was reasonable, and with a
> little more you could demonstrate that there were defensible reasons for
> removing James in the first place.
>

​Kevin,

You've been touting your experience on Boards in giving advice, and I have
some experience there myself, so let's think of ​it in those Real World
terms:

Regardless of what anyone's personal opinion on what may or may not be
confidential, what may or may not be an insult or personal attack, what may
or may not be etc., there is a very real legal shield of confidentiality in
place not just for this board, but for any semi-professional organization
that exists because personal opinion does not matter in the eyes of the law.

​Multiple people are asking why James was removed. The answer has been
given: the Board felt that they were unable to work with James, and due to
the privacy of Board work, nothing can be disclosed further. While this
answer is frustrating in a movement where we demand transparency for trust
and collaboration (as we should), for Jimmy or anyone else to comment
further would be - as an understatement - a poor decision, and one I'm sure
Counsel would drop their jaw over, if not outright resign their position.

If you were in the same position, you'd do the exact same thing. If you
didn't, you'd be opening up a hole for a lawsuit that you can drive a truck
through. And that lawsuit and hole, friends, is what will be the death of
the Wikimedia Foundation. Not this.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:55 AM, SarahSV <sarahsv.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > But whatever, let's open up yet another thread for people to go after
> each
> > other.
> >
> > ​Keegan, we've been told since the end of December that Jimmy favours
> radical transparency regarding James's removal and surrounding issues. But
> it's now March, and nothing has been released except under pressure or
> thanks to others. The result
> ​has been a huge loss of trust. Trying to stifle discussion will only make
> things worse.
>

​He can favor radical transparency all he wants, that doesn't mean in the
real world role that he currently occupies as a WMF Board of Trustee member
that *he can actually do that*. Airing his private emails as a pressure
tactic to get people to break what is probably legal advice is just absurd
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Below is a message Jimmy Wales sent to James Heilman and myself on Feb. 29.
> I mentioned the existence of this message on the list on March 2:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-March/082901.html


​I'm a firm believer in two wrongs not making a right.

This email has zero context aside from what the reader would like to infer,
as we (the reader) are not the audience.

Publishing this email was just as, if not, more irresponsible than Jimmy
was in sending it.

Those that wish to continue histrionics, take pause before *you* hit send.​



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Oliver Keyes  wrote:

> I've been in the Wikimedia movement for over a decade now. I've seen
> Wikimedia-l. I've seen internal-l. I've had death and sexual assault
> threats show up in my inbox.


​Me too.
​


> And this, /this/, is genuinely the most
> horrified I've ever been by any message I've seen yet.
>
>
Nope. I've read worse from you, Oliver.
​


> This email is not a good faith email. it is not, despite the
> neutrality of its language, a civil email. It's the kind of blinkered,
> detached, ultrarationalist gaslighting[0] I associate with people in
> LessWrong.[1]
>
> No assumption of good faith. No discussion of the issues. No admission
> that different people can legitimately and normally interpret things
> in different ways. The framing of things so that the options are that
> James is a liar, stupid, or suffering from PTSD. Whether deliberately
> or not, it is deeply manipulative and frames the entire discussion
> with assertions that James is disconnected from reality.
>
>
​Many of the active posters write like this to this very public list on a
daily basis, and it is quite hurtful to many people. Much more hurtful than
this private email.

But whatever, let's open up yet another thread for people to go after each
other.

Brilliant move, you civilized people.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Qualities for the next long-term WMF executive director

2016-03-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> If the research results about qualities of effective managers have been
> generally consistent for 30 years, then I wonder why so many managers in so
> many organizations today have mediocre skills in those areas.
>

​I'd hazard a guess that it's because there are more management positions -
many, many more - out there in the world then there are stellar managers.



> I also wonder, in WMF's case, what can be done to ensure that the next ED
> is robustly skilled in those areas.
>

​This is a good question, hopefully this will be documented during the
search.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:51 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> I just thought Mr. Kolbe's mother didn't hug him enough as a baby.
>
>
I did not bring this up in response to any one particular person, thread,
or individual post.
​The issues are much broader and run far deeper, namely, the acceptability
of actively or passive-aggressively seeking to hurt others in the guise of
all of our shared concerns..

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Keegan,
>>
>> I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that
>> we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example,
>> if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions, or commits a
>> wikifelony in their particular role (for example, blatant misuse of
>> CheckUser, or misappropriation of movement funds), it may be that "the
>> needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and that the Wikimedia
>> community would be best served by having that person step down or be
>> removed. The community, WMF, and arbitration committees have removed
>> people
>> from various offices who have messed up, usually repeatedly or seriously.
>> So I'm wondering how you suggest that we balance civility and
>> accountability. I feel that it's tough to do, and would like to hear
>> suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pine
>
>
> ​Write words with measured logic and sound emotions.
>
>
​"Strike that, reverse it." ~ Willy Wonka[0]

Sound logic and measured emotions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Keegan,
>
> I'm fond of the principle of civility. I'm wondering how you suggest that
> we balance civility with the need to hold people accountable. For example,
> if someone makes a series of highly problematic decisions, or commits a
> wikifelony in their particular role (for example, blatant misuse of
> CheckUser, or misappropriation of movement funds), it may be that "the
> needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" and that the Wikimedia
> community would be best served by having that person step down or be
> removed. The community, WMF, and arbitration committees have removed people
> from various offices who have messed up, usually repeatedly or seriously.
> So I'm wondering how you suggest that we balance civility and
> accountability. I feel that it's tough to do, and would like to hear
> suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine


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Don't write words with outlandish hyperbole, conspiracy theories,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using this list to tear people down

2016-03-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Chris Sherlock 
wrote:

>
>
> I agree with this, though I wonder about what to do when people cause
> events that damage the central ideas and tenants of an organization.
>
> Just a thought.
>

​It is not hard to keep discussions involving people relevant to the issues
at hand, and discuss people in context of their role or influence in events
and decision making, and these discussions are good to have.

Starting threads pointedly about individuals, with discussions about the
issues only tangential to the point of the attack on the individual is a
very different thing, one that I think most recognize when they see this,
as well as other threads that are coatracks and sea lioning.[0][1] For
every positive thread we're generating, we're producing at least two other
toxic threads. And we're tolerating it. We have to stop.

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Coatrack
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 3:35 PM, geni  wrote:

> On 2 March 2016 at 19:58, Andreas Kolbe  wrote:
> > Western countries don't really have a tradition of state-published
> > encyclopedias,
>
> Wales is not a western country?
>
> https://en.wikipedia
> 


​What about states inside of Western countries?

http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/content/about-eoa

Really, the insinuations behind this thread are just absurd. We are to now
assume that all agendas are nefarious? Because everyone has one, even you,
Andreas, in posting this.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Still, my list is very much influenced by what I
> have heard from staff, board, etc. over many months -- so it's not like
> your seat is getting cold without you. :)
>

My seat without me in it would be the very definition of it getting cold
without me in it, not to be glib. Your presumptions are starting to be
offensive.

I am a person. I am a Wikimedian on my own,[0] apart from my role in my
signature line.

I think what we need to *first* do is stop pigeonholing individuals, and
then presuming to know their opinions based on said hole placement, which
was the point of my initial email: do not presume to know what those who
are not speaking right now are thinking, and wait to hear from them. But I
guess you're missing the point.

I know you're going to say that's not what you're intending to do, but it's
exactly what you're saying.

Slow down. There are plenty of leaders with thoughts in this movement, give
everyone space.

0.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> However, I'm not trying to push things forward at a pace that's comfortable
> *for me*, I'm trying to focus on things that will impact *what it's
> possible to do*.
>

Oh absolutely, forge ahead. My message was in no way asking anyone to slow
down, just a nod to the list that some of us are going to sit back for a
bit, so please save a seats at the table :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Keegan Peterzell
(slightly indirect to the topic, but not worth its own thread)

Hey Pete,

Thanks for your time and reflection, and that extend to everyone else, with
this and related topics over the past month. Wikimedia-l has actually been
a refreshing kind of place, where cautious respect and rational discourse
has been taking place. I've appreciated it greatly as events progressed as
they did. These conversations are what meatballwiki[0] is made of, and what
built Wikimedia in the first place.

I look forward to these conversations continuing here, on meta, privately,
Facebook, and all the other mediums, which is getting to my point: let's
please keep all these much-needed discussions at a measured pace. I know
that I'm shell-shocked[1] to a good extent from the recent past, with the
burnout that comes with it as well, and I know I'm not the only one. I'd
like to participate in, and not just read, these conversations, but I know
it's going to take me some time to get back into the spirit of
meta-discussions about Wikimedia. Othes as well.

So please, continue talking, sharing, misunderstanding and then working it
out, and all those other wonderful things, but please do remember that
there are some of us who are going to be silent a bit in our reflection,
and hopefully we'll be speaking again in the future.

Everything else (for me, at least) is back to business/volunteering as
usual.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Basque Wikimedians User Group

2016-02-25 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Carlos M. Colina 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am honoured to announce, on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the
> recognition of the newest affiliate in Europe: Basque Wikimedians User
> Group [1]
>
> This new group is formed by wikimedians interested in promoting the
> different Wikimedia projects in the Basque Country, and especially the
> projects in Euskera, increasing the users' participation in them as well as
> reaching out to cultural and educational organizations both in France and
> Spain related to the Basque Country.
>
> Ongi etorri!!
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Georgia Piedmont Wikimedians

2016-02-25 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Carlos M. Colina 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I am honoured to announce, on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the
> recognition of a new Wikimedia User Group in the US: Georgia Piedmont
> Wikimedians [1]
>
> Among their goals are continuing to organize meetups of wikimedians in the
> region (they have been doing it informally for a few years already) and
> other activities like edit-a-thons, photo-hunts in Atlanta and other areas,
> and collaborating with other organizations.
>
> Welcome to the family!
>
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Piedmont_Wikimedians


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Yeah, so, my ultimate point remains: we're talking about hundreds of
Wikimedia projects and how they interact with paid editors, and not just
how a few handle it. LIke everything, it's complicated beyond local
instances ;)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 11:24 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:51 PM, Dan Andreescu <dandree...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm very new to this concept of paid editing.  But from what I understood
>> paid editing is allowed, as long as the editors disclose who they are paid
>> by on their talk page or in edit summaries.  I understood this to be
>> roughly the idea of the Wikipedian in Residence title.  I didn't look this
>> up on purpose, because I wanted to point out this might be a common
>> existing understanding.  Am I mistaken?  What is the policy?
>>
>>
> ​Different wikis have different policies on paid editing, most have no
> policy. There ​is no global policy.
>
>
​I've been poked to clarify:

Terms of Use[0] prohibit undisclosed paid editing. Local projects may have
their own way of interpreting and enforcing this. Local projects can also
opt out of this particular prohibition in the Terms of Use.

0. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:51 PM, Dan Andreescu 
wrote:

> I'm very new to this concept of paid editing.  But from what I understood
> paid editing is allowed, as long as the editors disclose who they are paid
> by on their talk page or in edit summaries.  I understood this to be
> roughly the idea of the Wikipedian in Residence title.  I didn't look this
> up on purpose, because I wanted to point out this might be a common
> existing understanding.  Am I mistaken?  What is the policy?
>
>
​Different wikis have different policies on paid editing, most have no
policy. There ​is no global policy.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 9:01 PM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

> Hopefully we
> ​ ​
> could publicly shame them into handing it over.
>

​I believe that public shaming as a tool went out of vogue in most civil
societies quite a bit ago.

I think it should be out of vogue on this list as well.​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell <kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
> wrote:

> o/
>

​I'm actually still here in both a personal and a professional capacity.

Do I count as two? Yes I do.​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Keegan Peterzell
o/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [discovery] USA elections in real time - as viewed by Wikipedia users

2016-02-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 11:53 PM, Àlex Hinojo  wrote:

> Love it! Thanks for sharing it!
>
>
​Yup yup, this is a very cool little project with a lot of future potential
for other applications.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Another goodbye

2016-02-16 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Dan Andreescu <dandree...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> 
>
> Because we are not a tree, we are part of an ancient Aspen Grove.
>

*claps*

I hope this thread ends on this forward-looking note.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monetizing Wikimedia APIs

2016-01-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
I've been thinking about it and this is just bothering me too much.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Todd Allen  wrote:

> Folks (WMF board, and those closely related), do we really have to hold a
> vote of no confidence to get your attention? Do you have any doubt that
> it'd pass?
>
>
​The Wikimedia Foundation is a private non-profit corporation registered in
Florida. It is not structured as a membership organization (after all,
every human being is technically a member), it is but a single part of the
Wikimedia movement. You have no standing for such a vote, and neither do I.



> Absent that, please start listening to the volunteers. Listening, as in
> doing what they'd like you to do. Otherwise, I'll be putting forth that
> no-confidence vote shortly.
>

​You mean to say, "please start listening to the volunteers ***that agree
with me*. Listening, as in doing what *the people that I agree with* would
like you to do."

Personally, I agree with your position against monetizing any part of our
services.​

​I'm pleasantly surprised that some people that I thought would agree with
me are at least open to the theory, it makes for very interesting
discussion. I do not think that making threats on behalf of everyone, when
it's clear that we are not all in agreement, is useful at all, particularly
when they are toothless.

Personal opinion from a personal account as a longtime Wikimedian, as the
line three bars down after the signature indicates.​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

2015-10-19 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Gregory Varnum 
wrote:

> Chris - and I suspect others - who are already welcome to join this list -
> are why I think it is not a foregone conclusion that it will be kept
> private.
>
> Remember that we have a diverse group of 80+ affiliates. It may in fact
> not be that the will of the ones who requested it represents the will of
> everyone. However, I am not personally comfortably declaring that on their
> behalf. I would prefer to allow them to discuss it and go from there.
>
> -greg


​I feel it's now time for the obligatory "Please discuss this on meta if we
want to talk about transparency" post.

<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mailing_list>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

2015-10-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
I gave Gnangarra a potential contact off-list.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
>
>
​Jane, this is so off-base it's bordering offensive to those that live in
"fly-over" states. You don't need a massive city to have Wikimedians and I
have no idea where you're coming from.

It took me approximately 12 seconds to find someone in
[[Category:Wikipedians in Arkansas]] who is active, has been around awhile,
and whose userpage indicates they are in the same city. A city that has a
metro population of three-quarters of a million, at that.

(If you don't have userinfo.js [0] in your global .js, I highly recommend
it)

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/userinfo.js

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikiconference USA 2015

2015-10-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Anthony Cole  wrote:

> I've been following the conference online and I congratulate the organisers
> - some fascinating presentations and the videos are excellent. A link to
> the videos:
>
> http://wikiconferenceusa.org/wiki/2015/Schedule
>
> I recommend Stuart Ray's insightful presentation at 4 hours 36 minutes on
> day two (Saturday 10th), addressing Wikipedia's problematical relationship
> with experts.
>

​Indeed!
​


>
> A couple of points.
>
> 1) I'd love to view or listen to a recording of the 45 minute
> panel discussion held in the Jefferson Room at 12:15 on Saturday,
> "Journalism and the Online Information Community: How Wikimedians Cover
> Wikimedia." Was it recorded and will it eventually be put online?
>

​The only official recordings are for the main hall. I attended the
session, I'll be more than happy to relate how it went for you (Anthony, or
others as needed) off-list​

​this coming week if you like/time zones line-up.

{{Nutshell|Wikipedia/Wikimedia is really complicated, and journalists often
take the "easy way out" for publication because of the complexity.
Wikimedians can do better in distributing news for external publication,
and same publications should take care to understand what is being
reported. The Signpost needs help.}}
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

2015-10-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Three years is a long time to be in a leadership position in a volunteer
movement. Five years is incredible. Eight years? Enjoy the time off, Jan.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] internet-in-a-boxs to the refugee camps?

2015-09-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Just a thought: would the European chapters, or a single European chapter,
> be willing to fundraise for this project?
>
> Also, in Seattle we have at least one charity that provides or donates
> basic computer hardware. I imagine that other cities have similar
> charities. Perhaps a European chapter could get donated hardware from such
> a charity, so that the only costs to the chapter would be shipping and
> labor.
>

​That would be cool.

However, before we get all excited with plans, it might be important for
someone who is interested to contact the project lead and see if
internet-in-a-box is even still active. The website hasn't been regularly
updated since April of 2013. If there are no resources available from the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Future of Wikipedia

2015-07-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for sharing this, Renata -- cool video!

 But I think I'm taking the exact opposite from it. It makes me happy. It
 seems to me these kids love information -- and are eager to say so! -- and
 love books, too, most of them expressed sadness at the idea of books
 disappearing (but also, shock at the idea that an encyclopedia would cost
 $1500).

 I do think you have a good point, that the absence of Wikipedia in our
 early lives provided big motivation for many of us to devote energy to
 creating Wikipedia. I'm not sure that spells doom for Wikipedia, though --
 rather, I'd say different kinds of motivation (more specific to one's
 passions and interests, rather than a general desire to build a
 comprehensive compendium) will fuel the next wave of Wikipedians.

 People will probably value knowledge in different ways as it becomes more
 abundant and less centralized, but I have a hard time believing they will
 *cease* to value knowledge.

 Pete
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​+1​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

2015-06-28 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ricordisamoa, I have no preference either way. I live in a geographically
 enormous country (Canada), which has a national chapter - centered so far
 away from me that I'll never be in a position to participate in person at a
 regular meetup. In Canada's case, regional chapters might have been better,
 and I wonder about other geographically large countries where this would
 also be more workable.

 Risker

​

​The United States is so big, and the population so propagated ​amongst its
size, that a cohesive US chapter is pretty much impossible. Despite the
size of our movement, it's still very small by regional breakdown and the
economics of travel for support just don't match up. I've attended a few
meetups in the US, and I had to travel significant distance to do so only
to have a maximum turnout of a few dozen. That was a DC meetup in which I
flew in from the southern US and met with Risker - coming from Canada - at
the airport to attend a meetup that was 40 strong with half of the people
not being from DC. And that took significant planning.

Ultimately, a US chapter would fail not because of passion, but simple
logistics.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Printed Wikipedia is go!

2015-06-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 2:00 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:


 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/books/moving-wikipedia-from-computer-to-many-many-bookshelves.html?_r=1

 7,600 volumes, to be available on Lulu. He's printing 106 of them for
 the exhibition.


​Right, and what's the shipping cost run on that? :)​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Printed Wikipedia is go!

2015-06-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:


  On 17 Jun 2015, at 20:00, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/books/moving-wikipedia-from-computer-to-many-many-bookshelves.html?_r=1
 
  7,600 volumes, to be available on Lulu. He's printing 106 of them for
  the exhibition.

 Why?


​According to the article, he's printing enough volumes to fill a bookcase,
which is visually representative of the entire printing.​


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Mailing list maintenance window - 2015-05-19 17:00 - 19:00 UTC

2015-05-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Nov 11, 2004, at 03:27:00 UTC , Erik Moeller erik_moel...@gmx.de wrote
[1]:

 Hi,
 there's been some movement forward on the Single User Login (SUL) issue. I

 ask the Board to review this mail carefully as this has significant long-
 term implications and we need Board input to go ahead. I also ask other
 developers to correct me if I misrepresent anything.
 There are currently three competing strategies. Before I describe these
 strategies, let me point out that one important consideration for any
 system is scalability. That is, single login will be used on all existing
 and future Wikimedia projects, and potentially even on non-Wikimedia sites

 which we allow to participate in our system.
 The three strategies are:
 1) GLOBAL NAMESPACE, IMMEDIATE CONFLICT RESOLUTION
 We try to move towards a single global user namespace for all Wikimedia
 wikis. If a name is already taken in the global namespace, you have to
 find one which isn't.
 For the migration, any names which clearly belong to the same user are
 combined into one. If passwords and email addresses are different, the
 user can manually link together any accounts which belong to him by
 providing the passwords.
 For cases of true name conflicts between the existing wikis, there is a
 resolution phase, where factors like seniority, use on multiple wikis vs.
 a single one, etc., are weighed in - the loser has to choose a new
 account name.
 After the manual resolution phase, any remaining accounts are converted to

 the new system automatically by making them unique, e.g. by adding a
 number to the username. The transition is now complete. The old system no
 longer exists.

---

 1) is very complex, and we may not find someone willing to deal with the
 name conflict resolution issue and take the blame from annoyed users at
 the same time. Naming conflicts will always be an issue in this scheme, as

 e.g. all common first names will be taken, and any small wiki hooking up
 with our SUL system would feel this impact. People can mutate these
 usernames relatively easily to make them unique - Erik333 - and the system

 can offer such mutations, but it's still a bit annoying.


This is now complete [2]. That wasn't too bad.

1.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2004-November/061327.html
2. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015-April/077576.html

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Single login - decision 2004

2015-04-22 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Eduardo Testart etest...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 I do not know if this is the right thread to post this (otherwise ignore
 and please post me in the right direction).

 I believe that there is a bug in the Central Auth, since I've seen at least
 two users where the information that appears about when they started
 editing does not match the information saved in the wiki (as off first
 edit).

 Could this be a bug due to the recent change?


Hi there,

What you're likely seeing that's causing confusion is the difference
between when an account was created locally and when an account was created
globally. For example, on 16/17 March 1.4 million local accounts were
attached to global accounts, so it looks like they were only created a
month ago on CentralAuth (because they were only created a month ago on
CentralAuth) when the account could be as old as the wiki itself in local
registration.

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[Wikimedia-l] Single-user login finalization - starting now

2015-04-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi all,

The much awaited, much anticipated migration of all accounts to global,
also known as single-user login finalization, is currently underway. The
process is expected to take about a week, but clearly it's never been done
before so that is an educated guess. You can read a narrative for
background, context, and what's actually occurring in this blog post (in
English), put up yesterday: 
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/04/14/single-user-login-for-all-wikis/

A multilingual help page and FAQ about unified login is here: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Help:Unified_login

Please help spread the word with your communities as appropriate.

I'd like to extend thanks to all the staff and volunteers that have put so
much time and energy into making this happen, the list is extensive and my
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A transition and a new chapter.

2015-04-14 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 8:10 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Erik,

 On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
  Hi all --
 
  As Lila noted, since January 2008 I've worn many hats at the Wikimedia
  Foundation, and in the six years before that I was a Wikipedian,
  MediaWiki developer, and member of the WMF board of trustees. I became
  involved in Wikipedia when I was 22 years old. :)

 Every so often when we talk, you will surprise me by telling me about
 one more thing in the Wikimedia universe that you thought of or
 created or were involved in over the past many years that I didn't
 realize you had a role in. It seems the list is never-ending.


​Hear, hear.

Did you know that Erik Möller authored section editing of wiki pages, and
that this change was controversial? Imagine how terrible it is to edit wiki
pages without loading the entire content! It's not possible and a detriment
to our goal!

Than​k you, Erik, for pushing the boundaries when they are not real.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-18 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Keegan,

 Just a thought: you could invite WMFers to have SUL finalization parties
 during a few lunch hours. Invite people out of their silos to work with you
 and interact with the community to answer account-owner FAQs, translate the
 QA, and interact with WMF's customers. While this is a little different
 from face-time, I still think that some of the 1:1 interaction would be
 nice for everybody while helping move the SUL process along.

 Thanks for working on SUL.

 Pine


Not a bad idea at all. I'll look into it, the prime time is this week and
next, the expected response curve will likely drop sharply. Thanks, Pine :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:39 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com
wrote:



 Also, lots of unanswered queries appearing quickly on
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Keegan_%28WMF%29 , which is
 the talk page linked in the global message that was sent out.  It
 would be good to have extra hands assisting answering those queries
 accurately so users dont make the wrong choice about the identity.

 --
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Thank you for noticing, John :) I'm (as I expected) swamped with emails
about this and I'm catching up on that backlog...only five from cleared out
of about 200 :D I sent out an email a while ago to the global renamers and
stewards for help there if possible. Most of the accounts need to just log
in again to unify their accounts, or by logging in to post to meta their
accounts were already renamed. I know the page is there, I'm around, I'm
just working on the communications that no one else can crowdsource first.

I appreciate everyone in the movement, particularly right now. I'm
receiving some incredibly deep emails from people who never use their
accounts about how much they appreciate the resources the community
provides. Thank you all :)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-15 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi there,

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 11:33 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 Keegan Peterzell wrote:
 Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2]
 
 [...]
 
 All accounts that will be affected by this will be contacted on their talk
 page within the next couple of days.[4]

 Hi.

 Do you think a month of warning to affected users is sufficient? Ideally
 we want as many users as possible to self-rename before being forcibly
 renamed, I think. And if a lot of users take us up on the opportunity to
 self-rename (i.e., request a user rename, we still don't have true
 self-renames...), we want to make sure there aren't big backlogs. Sending
 out messages to 2.8 million accounts seems like it could create a flood.

 MZMcBride


Great question, and it's one I've wrested with personally and in meetings.

Ultimately the timeline that is chosen is arbitrary. We can look at the
data of the accounts like the number of edits v. age, potentially how much
time does the average person with a conflicting account login based on
user_touched, and several other metrics, but in the end there is no science
to come up with a predictive timeframe. Another arbitrary number is how
many of these accounts will show up to request a rename, no matter the
timeframe. I can set this to take place six months from now but that's not
predictive of behavior. As you can imagine, there's many more scenarios :)

So, given that, in my opinion the biggest tell is going to be what happens
in the first two weeks. There are two potential bottlenecks: technical and
in personnel. If the job queue or any other sort of technical function is
regularly getting stuck, we'll revisit the month time frame. If the
technical side is holding up but there are too many rename requests to
fulfill before the deadline, we'll revisit the deadline. I'm willing to be
flexible depending on the circumstance.

The bottom line is that this is something that we're only doing once, and
it's something that I want to do right. I'd be willing to postpone if major
technical and/or personnel blockers show up. However, I'm committed to the
month deadline as much as I can be - at some point this has to be done, we
clearly can come up with blockers for over a decade. 2.8 million accounts
could create a flood, or a trickle. We're going to see, and very soon :)

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[Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi all,

Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I
know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is actually
going to take place after nearly a decade of waiting :)

I just posted an important announcement about the renaming process itself
on Meta.[3] If you're interested, please take some time to read it over and
help translate if possible. A one sentence message about this has been sent
to village pumps as well, where available.

All accounts that will be affected by this will be contacted on their talk
page within the next couple of days.[4] All local wikis also have a
publicly listed database of users who will be renamed, available at
Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed.[4]

Thanks for your time, please help spread the word to your other mailing
lists and/or communities.

1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Unified_login
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement
3.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement/Schema_announcement
4.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Single_User_Login_finalisation_announcement/Personal_announcement
5. for example,
https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamedHmm

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks very much for keeping us up to date, Keegan.  When I look at
 the Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed on enwiki, I note a large number of
 accounts whose registration date is listed as today, even though I realise
 that's not possible. It might be helpful to include an explanation of that
 apparent anomaly in the announcement and/or the schema.  (I'm assuming it
 has something to do with the accounts being very old, but it sure looks
 weird.)

 Risker/Anne


Hey Risker,

Those accounts are ones older than our registration tables. The date listed
in that special page will be changed once we agree on the format:

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T91839

This should be fixed before any major explanation or reworded is needed, I
didn't want to let that hold this up even more :)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:


 5. for example,
 https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamedHmm


That should be https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed

It does make you go hmm though.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-03-01 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Finance Fellows,

 The timeline for your work says that your draft report should be finished.
 May we look at it? I am very curious about your findings.

 Thanks (:

 Pine


​I'd like to point out that the timeline estimates completion by February
28. This is (hemispherically) March 1. And a Sunday. I suggest some
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-03-01 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Keegan,

 May I point out that the term on the timeline is deadline, as in
 commitment, not as in estimate. I view commitments as serious business.
 I believe that in IEGCom we met our deadlines every single time when I was
 on that committee, the Signpost is published weekly with rare exceptions,
 and there were a number of nights as a WMF intern when I got less than 6
 hours of sleep in my semi-successful efforts to keep my commitments to WMF
 and to my other employer. ( I do thank WMF for that internship, it was a
 good experience overall). Of course there may be variances from schedules
 on occasion (people do get sick, have their cars break down, etc), but I
 believe that Lila made a point in the All Hands that projects are to be
 completed on time, and I think it's reasonable that commitments should be
 kept whenever possible. I try to do this myself and I hope that WMF takes
 its commitments seriously too.

 The report of the Finance Fellows will inform some of my thinking about
 Cascadia's budget and it would be helpful to have the draft published early
 this week.

 Thank you,

 Pine


​Pine,

I do not believe I was questioning the commitments of anyone​, nor was I
seeking to argue those points with you. I am simply saying, and I still
believe this is true, that it's not an unreasonable observation that this
is the weekend nor is it unexpected for people to take weekends off.
Weekends are terrible times to release news, for the very reason that
people are taking them off. Having some patience for Monday to arrive is
not too much to ask at all.

Thanks!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Crossroads of five journeys

2015-02-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Thank you for sharing this story, Milos. I don't have time at the moment to
participate in the Matica srpska project, but reading over the grant it
sounds great. You and the other participants certainly have my moral
support, for as much as that is worth :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-01-25 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:00 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:

 We were discussing it with an association of blind people in Poland - and
 they told us - that for them the most important thing is clear and logic
 structure of the website - plain main text, menu/navigation in plain text
 and descriptions of media in plain text. They are using their own free
 text-to-speach software to which they are used to. Such software simply
 reads everything on the screen in the same neutral way. So they don't need
 any other tools for voice reading - if other websites provide it - they
 usually do not use it. Maybe in some other languages the situation is
 different - but it would be better to discuss it with relevant associations
 before investing time and money for such solutions. Fortunately, Wikipedia
 actually is quite  text-to-speach friendly at the moment.


Anecdotal to Tomasz's point, there was an editor on IRC the other day in
-commons that is Deaf/Blind and considers Wikimedia sites to be, in its
current state, one of the friendly- to disability-adaptive software of any
website. Mucking that up would be...bad.

What I suppose I'm challenging, James, is this: are our websites playing
well with accessibility? What are the specific points of failing? It is
subject to the disability, there's no patch to make it all right. What is
the path to make it right? How can I help? Where can we document this?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing WikiProject X

2015-01-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org
wrote:


  Sounds like just another enwiki-specific thing.


​That's a reasonable assumption. I'm only guessing, but I think the project
is based on the English Wikipedia because that's the area where the
grantee(s) are most familiar. I wouldn't want them to go mucking around on
projects they are not familiar with first.

I'm going to assume that while this is initially en.wp focused, the
grantees are willing to learn from and share what they learn with the other
projects. One would think they would appreciate the outreach from other
communities, learning from each other is always a Good Thing™.​


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: White House response to Aaron Swartz petition

2015-01-08 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:05 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:


 As to the specific personnel-related requests raised in your petitions,
 our response must be limited. Consistent with the terms we laid out when
 we began We the People,
 we will not address agency personnel matters in a petition response,
 because we do not believe this is the appropriate forum in which to do so.


​For those unfamiliar with American political history in its brief
existence, ​this is entirely expected. The power over who has the right to
hire and fire whom has been the center of our politics since near
inception[1] as well as crucial points in national development[2].

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marbury_v._Madison
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Andrew_Johnson

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org
wrote:


 If the description above is not working for you, please let us know at
 don...@wikimedia.org so we can follow up.


​Wait, I'm confused.

Fundraising /doesn't/ use Phabricator for bug reports, as Marc-Andre
suggested is the appropriate approach? Everyone else does; it's transparent
and allows for collaborative problem solving. Unless I'm reading it wrong,
Fundraising would prefer bug reports by email. That doesn't seem very
efficient. I'd imagine it'd be much easier to deal with one bug rather than
X emails. Please do correct me if I'm wrong here :)

If not, I highly recommend* Fundraising use Phabricator. It's great
software!​


​*Approximate value of this recommendation is nothing.​

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Office Hours for Structured Data on Commons proposal

2014-11-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
This will be in two hours from now in #wikimedia-office

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
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 Greetings all,

 My apologies for cross-posting lists. I would like to invite everyone
 interested in the proposal for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons[1] to
 join our third Office Hours today, 20 November, from 19:30 to 20:30 UTC[2
 for time conversion]. The conversation is free to join on IRC using
 freenode[3] in #wikimedia-office.

 Discussion will continue about the different possible data structures,
 very early development work, and touch base on some work that was done
 during a small hackathon in Amsterdam[4] working with structured data and
 GLAM. As always, other questions and discussion about the topic are always
 welcome.

 I look forward to seeing you there!

 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
 2.
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19min=30sec=0day=20month=11year=2014
 3. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office
 4. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2014

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Office Hours for Structured Data on Commons proposal

2014-11-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Make that three hours, and re-read this email in one hour to make it two :)

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

 This will be in two hours from now in #wikimedia-office

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Keegan Peterzell 
 kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Greetings all,

 My apologies for cross-posting lists. I would like to invite everyone
 interested in the proposal for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons[1] to
 join our third Office Hours today, 20 November, from 19:30 to 20:30 UTC[2
 for time conversion]. The conversation is free to join on IRC using
 freenode[3] in #wikimedia-office.

 Discussion will continue about the different possible data structures,
 very early development work, and touch base on some work that was done
 during a small hackathon in Amsterdam[4] working with structured data and
 GLAM. As always, other questions and discussion about the topic are always
 welcome.

 I look forward to seeing you there!

 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
 2.
 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19min=30sec=0day=20month=11year=2014
 3. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office
 4. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2014

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[Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Office Hours for Structured Data on Commons proposal

2014-11-19 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Greetings all,

My apologies for cross-posting lists. I would like to invite everyone
interested in the proposal for Structured Data on Wikimedia Commons[1] to
join our third Office Hours today, 20 November, from 19:30 to 20:30 UTC[2
for time conversion]. The conversation is free to join on IRC using
freenode[3] in #wikimedia-office.

Discussion will continue about the different possible data structures, very
early development work, and touch base on some work that was done during a
small hackathon in Amsterdam[4] working with structured data and GLAM. As
always, other questions and discussion about the topic are always welcome.

I look forward to seeing you there!

1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data
2.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19min=30sec=0day=20month=11year=2014
3. http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-office
4. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Amsterdam_Hackathon_2014

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Is Emerging as Trusted Internet Source for Information on Ebola

2014-10-27 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:07 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:

 MZMcBride wrote:
  http://nyti.ms/1rHy4fK
 
  Wikipedia Is Emerging as Trusted Internet Source for Information on Ebola
  Noam Cohen
  October 26, 2014
  The New York Times
 
  Neat! (And a bit terrifying.)
 
  MZMcBride

 Should be fun to remember -- in addition to the poorly honored WP:NOTNEWS
 -- other language sisters, and do some proper statistics, as EN.WP ≠ WP...


​I get your point, Svetlana, but WP:NOTNEWS is honored in the article:


Others wonder why it includes so little discussion about the current
outbreak. It is covered in a separate article.
​

The Times piece highlights the article about the disease itself.

As for ​
EN.WP ≠ WP
​, the article is aimed at English-language audience, so it's natural that
it's just Wikipedia. I rarely see a press headline that denotes the
language edition of Wikipedia if the article deals with the Wikipedia in
the language of the piece.

All-in-all, good work by [English Wikipedia] Wikiproject Medicine as usual
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Vandalism on photographs of living people

2014-10-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would not want to claim the credit. :-)

 This was done the wiki-way, as an interesting tangent from discussion at 
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Better_watchlisting
 .
 The final SQL is mostly Bawolff's experience, and I happen to be playing
 around with SQL to support the Wellcome Images upload project I'm spending
 most of my volunteer time on, thanks to some prompting to get more value
 from the wiki database from Steinsplitter. When communities use wikis to
 work together, it sure speeds up this sort of response compared to working
 it all out by yourself.

 Fae
 ​


​Well then kudos to Bawolff, Steinsplitter, and yourself, Fæ. It's always
heartening to see proactive initiatives. We should discuss them more often,
probably.​



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Keegan Peterzell
In case it's not clear enough in my sig, this is my personal opinion:

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:20 AM, Martijn Hoekstra 
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:
 
  
   FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about
   sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family
   situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was
   much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly- due
   to the fact that they run discussion software over there.
  
   ,Wil
  
  
  ​This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for new
  users, myself included.
 
 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaskadiff=prevoldid=26555079
  ​
 
 
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 I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters new
 users. But it's hardly the end of the world either. By signing the wrong
 way no real harm is done, if someone just tells you about the option to use
 

 It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example of the
 idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki. So you did something not right?
 Great, that means you contributed. So we fix it (collaboratively) and
 improve your contribution, no harm done.


​I agree with you, Martjin. If you follow the cookie crumbs you'd see that
I registered an account on the English Wikipedia /solely/ so I could sign a
complaint about a resource I used and loved, and I thought it best to give
respect back by registering and figuring out how to sign my complaint. I
was also incredibly lucky as a n00b to have positive interactions, right
from the get-go, which makes it a little more clear to me why I'm still
around after all this time. I'm thirty-three years old, to me a nine-year
unintentional commitment is a lifetime :)

I'm also aware, through my experiences through the past nine years, that my
experience is Golden™, and I desperately wish all new users could have such
an experience.

This kind of thing starts with software changes that break my workflow. I
hate that. But to be fair, my workflow is ridiculous because the software
is.​

​The steps I have to take to do the things that I do would, IMO, make a
rational person cry :).  I really don't understand the theory that new
users have to go through the same experiences as I did, no matter how
pleasant, again IMO, my experiences were. Hazing is an antiquated and
unfruitful process. It only breaks people down to rebuild them in the image
that you want, and that's contradictory to the individualism that Wikimedia
promotes. I enjoy the fact that Wikimedia sites allow flexibility and
customization on a personal account and institutional level. On the other
hand, the world keeps moving and I sta​y in the same place unless I choose
to go through the process of acceptance of a changing world. I do not
consider the world changing to be something shoved down my throat; it's a
reality of life.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote:


 FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about
 sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family
 situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it was
 much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not mostly- due
 to the fact that they run discussion software over there.

 ,Wil


​This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience for new
users, myself included.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaskadiff=prevoldid=26555079
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 rik, I appreciate your engaging with this *early* enough for design
 decisions to be adjusted before Flow gets to major rollouts.

 Romaine, if the Dutch uses of features like templates are not being taken
 into account in how features are designed, I suggest contacting the
 Engineering community liaisons to make your needs known. I'm also sending
 this email to Rachel so she can consider having one of her employees reach
 out to you and the Dutch Wikipedia community.

 Pine


Thanks for the initiative Pine. Romaine and I know each other and spent a
great deal of last July talking about template usage on the Dutch Wikipedia
in the context of VisualEditor :) . I'm not on the Flow team (I don't work
with VE anymore either) so I can't speak for experience there, but I do
know that thanks to Romaine's advocacy within the community and to me that
VisualEditor was never enabled by default on the Dutch Wikipedia. This
occurred because of consideration of the special-use case that community
has built with templates. It was intense time for sure, but the right
decision was certainly made as far as the Dutch Wikipedia goes.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow - it does not flow

2014-09-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
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 ..last July...


July 2013, for clarity.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote:

 To your specific points:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  (like this one:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth).


 Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a
 contributor's User Page, where they might state things like their name, and
 what they like to work on? I went through about 4 clicks and gave up.


Two clicks from the mobile history page. Click on a diff, and then the
userpage is linked in bright blue in the bottom left. Underneath that link
is the user's total number of live edits, and you can thank a user for the
edit with a button on the right.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Android Nearby Feature (was: Re: Community RfCs about MediaViewer)

2014-07-11 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
wrote:




 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 To your specific points:

 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Maryana Pinchuk mpinc...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  (like this one:
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:History/Babe_Ruth).


 Even once the reader gets there, how many clicks does it take to get to a
 contributor's User Page, where they might state things like their name,
 and
 what they like to work on? I went through about 4 clicks and gave up.


 Two clicks from the mobile history page. Click on a diff, and then the
 userpage is linked in bright blue in the bottom left. Underneath that link
 is the user's total number of live edits, and you can thank a user for the
 edit with a button on the right.



My apologies, I misread you Pete.

It's three clicks to talk to the user, four to get to the user page.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiknic in the Netherlands a success

2014-07-06 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello all!

 Today we had a Wikinic [1] in Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Photos in
 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiknic_Eindhoven_2014


​Very cool, Romaine. Thanks for taking part in both putting this together
and documenting it :).​

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