Re: [Wikimedia-l] Maithili Wikipedia surpasses 10k articles

2017-01-02 Thread MF-Warburg
I was merely interested in the fact whether or not this was done with the
help of bots or not.
That is was not just makes it all the more impressive!

My question was not in order to make a comment with my opinion about
bot-generated articles.

2017-01-02 9:53 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
> To be perfectly honest I get so annoyed by such questions. It proves
> distrust and it shows a lack of perspective for what we are actually about.
> We are about "sharing the sum of all knowledge" and we do not do all that
> we can do to even share in the sum of all the knowledge we have.
>
> Biplap answered that their effort comprises of articles that were written.
> However with 10K articles there is a lot that we could share that is not
> provided in Maithili. At that there is a lot of knowledge, even in English,
> that we do not share. While bot generated articles are reviled, they do one
> thing better. They share what is there. This is not to say that we could
> improve on the concept but that requires that people are willing to think
> about this.
>
> We could easily generate texts based on the information that exists in
> Wikidata. This has been done for many years now and it works perfectly in
> English (little grammar). It is done a lot on several Wikipedias and it
> works for them; they gain more readers as a result.. THIS is the key point.
>
> We can improve on bots. We can base our search results also on Wikidata and
> generate articles that are cached when there is no article yet. We can do
> this for red links as well and the combined result will be a large increase
> in information that we share with our public. This will be a huge benefit
> for all Wikipedias but English will benefit the most because typically
> there are labels in English not so much in other languages.
>
> My question to you all is: this is 2017. A new president will rule in the
> USA and the point is made that because "liberals" are not able to consider
> the points of view of others, to reflect on what they do is what made Mr
> Trump the next president. My point is that when we are not able to discuss
> our issues and remain stuck in our points of view we will not work towards
> a model where the manipulations of Mr Trump can be thwarted.
>
> Happy New Year.
>
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 1 January 2017 at 18:04, MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Congratulations.
> > Was this supported by bots?
> >
> > 2017-01-01 8:16 GMT+01:00 Biplab Anand <biplaban...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am delighted to share with you that Maithili Wikipedia has reached
> > 10,000
> > > articles <https://mai.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics>.
> > >
> > > To reach the milestone Maithili Wikimedians has taken a challenge
> > > named Maithili
> > > Wikipedia Mission 10
> > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Maithili_Wikimedians_
> > > User_Group/Events/Mission_10>.
> > > In the month of December, Maithili Wikipedia shows high level of
> activity
> > > <https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/15148>.
> > >
> > > We are really proud of the Maithili Wikipedia Community and Maithili
> > > Wikimedians volunteers who run and support the Mission 10. We would
> also
> > > like to thanks each and one contributor who contributed to the Mission
> > 10.
> > >
> > > Happy New Year 2017!!!
> > >
> > > Best
> > > Biplab
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Maithili Wikipedia surpasses 10k articles

2017-01-01 Thread MF-Warburg
Congratulations.
Was this supported by bots?

2017-01-01 8:16 GMT+01:00 Biplab Anand :

> Hi,
>
> I am delighted to share with you that Maithili Wikipedia has reached 10,000
> articles .
>
> To reach the milestone Maithili Wikimedians has taken a challenge
> named Maithili
> Wikipedia Mission 10
>  User_Group/Events/Mission_10>.
> In the month of December, Maithili Wikipedia shows high level of activity
> .
>
> We are really proud of the Maithili Wikipedia Community and Maithili
> Wikimedians volunteers who run and support the Mission 10. We would also
> like to thanks each and one contributor who contributed to the Mission 10.
>
> Happy New Year 2017!!!
>
> Best
> Biplab
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia.org portal page update!

2016-03-15 Thread MF-Warburg
What happened to the search box "Find Wikipedia in your language"?

2016-03-11 3:27 GMT+01:00 Deborah Tankersley :

> Hello!
>
> I'm very pleased to announce that we've updated the Wikipedia.org
>  portal page with a brand new search box that is
> more prominent and will now display meta data with images (as available) in
> the search results (see attached image).
>
> This was a large effort by the Discovery Portal team to develop a
> JavaScript-only version of the language picker, so that JavaScript enabled
> browsers will see all the new meta data. Alongside that effort, we also
> ensured that in JavaScript (JS) disabled browsers (or older Internet
> Explorer versions), our visitors won't have a bad experience when choosing
> a language to search in. (Note: in older IE versions and JS disabled
> browsers, the type-ahead and meta data search results information will not
> be displayed.)
>
> We also implemented a shorter language code (ie: EN for English, ES for
> Spanish, etc) to allow for more characters to be typed into the search box.
> When a user toggles the language selector, the full language name will be
> displayed in the dropdown for easy finding of the language you prefer to
> search in. For the more technical minded - I've attached a screenshot of
> one of the ways we test our code, visually.
>
> We're interested in hearing your feedback or if you have any questions!
>
> On behalf of the very happy Wikipedia.org Portal Team,
>
> Deb
>
> --
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> Product Manager, Discovery
> Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread MF-Warburg
As a mostly silent reader of this list, I'd like to spammingly +1 this
message. There's hardly anything more superfluous than these "Welcome from
Wikimedia Schleswig-Holstein as well" mails.
Am 13.01.2016 12:12 schrieb "Fæ" :

> TL;DR
> Can anyone suggest of a better way of publicly logging thanks, hellos
> & goodbyes for our public email lists?
>
> BACKGROUND
> Wikimedia lists are probably unique in the number of emails over a
> year which 'thankspam'. For example there is a pattern set that an
> awful lot of chapter representatives send public welcomes and goodbyes
> without conveying any new information. Sometimes when my email
> notifier shows about ten of these on the same day, I've made the
> effort to block that thread, I don't know of a way of specifically
> muting the notifications for these types of emails on my mobile phone.
>
> Though everyone could chose to send these privately rather than making
> a public statement, I understand the motivation for "us too"s to be
> noticed by others who are not the intended 'thanked'. On email lists
> something like ensuring thank email subject lines have a formulaic
> part of the title would help, so that readers can choose to mute them;
> equivalent to marking "minor" or "bot" edits on our projects so they
> don't get flagged in recent changes.
>
> This thought stirred by Ad's email, but not against the sentiment he
> was aiming for.
>
> PS For those that recall my meta thanks reports, I hope to get this
> online again soon once a related phabricator task is resolved.
>
> Fae
>
> On 13 January 2016 at 09:21, Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:
> ...
> > I failed to welcome incoming directors to the board of the Wikimedia
> > Foundation and I failed to thank outgoing directors of the same board for
> > the time and effort they have spent.
> >
> >- that you are sorry about the harm/damage/waste/confusion your
> mistake
> >caused (being specific would demonstrate understanding);
> >
> > I'm sorry for this unpolite and rude behavior.
> ...
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-07 Thread MF-Warburg
Are you familiar with Board elections? Those where seats are elected by the
community??
Am 07.10.2015 16:41 schrieb "Richard Symonds" <
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk>:

> True, but not everyone reads the VP on each project: take Wikidata for
> example. There are a fair few people who don't read it at all! A mass
> message would be better, an email or banner to people better still - but it
> depends on who exactly you want the opinion of! "Community" is a big term
> :-)
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 7 October 2015 at 15:35, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> wrote:
>
> > You can post on VP that there is such a poll on :m:
> >
> > Common sense.
> >
> > > From: richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:39:11 +0100
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> Signpost
> > >
> > > Steinsplitter, with respect (and I mean that!), I don't think a poll on
> > > meta would be enough. For something this big, either we get the views
> of
> > > the community as a whole - including those who don't read meta - or we
> > come
> > > up with another way (eg a committee). A small poll on meta would not be
> > > representative enough.
> > >
> > > Richard Symonds
> > > Wikimedia UK
> > > 0207 065 0992
> > >
> > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
> and
> > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> Registered
> > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> > 4LT.
> > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> (who
> > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> > >
> > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
> control
> > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> > >
> > > On 7 October 2015 at 12:04, Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > A small poll on meta would be enough.
> > > >
> > > > > From: josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 19:14:59 +
> > > > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by
> > Signpost
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want the views of everyone on every project... then yes, I
> do.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 20:14 MF-Warburg <mfwarb...@googlemail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000
> > people?
> > > > > > Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" <
> josephfoxw...@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> > > > > > > steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized.
> > They no
> > > > > > > longer
> > > > > > > > care about the community, even if there is huge community
> > consensus
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask
> the
> > > > > > > community.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > While I agre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-06 Thread MF-Warburg
Do you really believe the community consists of several 100.000 people?
Am 06.10.2015 21:01 schrieb "Joseph Fox" :

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 at 17:27 Steinsplitter Wiki <
> steinsplitter-w...@live.com>
> wrote:
>
> > To be honest: I am not surprised at all.
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation is becoming moor and moor centralized. They no
> longer
> > care about the community, even if there is huge community consensus about
> > something.
> >
> > Why is there a secret committee needed? It is easier to ask the
> community.
> >
>
> While I agree it's important to sort things with the community (since that
> is the lifeblood of the projects), are you seriously suggesting that it's
> easier to gauge the consensus of hundreds of thousands of people rather
> than make a decision in a smaller committee, secret or otherwise?
>
> Joe
>
>
> >
> > I am disappointed
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 18:13:13 -0400
> > > From: nawr...@gmail.com
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost
> > >
> > > Evidently the Signpost has scooped the WMF by revealing that Montreal
> has
> > > been selected for the 2017 Wikimania host city in a secret process that
> > > completed this past August. [1]
> > >
> > > It seems like the community could have been looped into this new method
> > > before it was a done deal.
> > >
> > > ~Nathan
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-04 Thread MF-Warburg
What a nonsense. With that justification, any random troll who dislikes the
Wikimania location selection process (or anything else) can show up and
"volunteer the revolution" which must then be implemented (because they
said so!!).
Am 04.10.2015 22:31 schrieb "Pavel Richter" :

> 2015-10-04 21:55 GMT+02:00 Theo10011 :
>
> >
> > Those are some pretty broad leaps Pavel. They were never tasked to take
> > that decision. They came to a conclusion that the process is broken, they
> > thought to do away with the process, they picked a winner, and set about
> > corresponding with them, without telling anyone. Then, developed an
> entire
> > roadmap of where they want to see Wikimania next for the near foreseeable
> > future. All of this was never tasked to them in the first place.
> >
> > This committee isn't "community approved", their mandate isn't community
> > approved. Its members weren't elected, in fact, I don't know why and how
> > these people got on this committee, or how long they will be in-charge -
> > because someone certainly seems to think they are in-charge. Maybe I
> missed
> > a call or notification asking to join or approve or comment as to who
> > should be on this committee.
> >
> > Regards
> > Theo
> >
>
> ​Theo, you argue process, I argue outcome.
> They faced a problem, they tackled it, they made a decission. And their
> mandate? They *showed up and volunteered*. That is enough mandate in my
> book.
>
> The revolution will not be community-approved.
>
> Pavel
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread MF-Warburg
Did you mean they did /not/ tell you?

2015-08-31 0:16 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:

 The most annoying part now is that the fundraising team did tell me thta,
 while I ma in change of the banners.

 How is it possible that they do worse and worse each time?

 Romaine

 2015-08-30 22:20 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com:

  Hello everybody.
  I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to
 run
  the Fundraising banner in Italy during September.
 
  In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board
 worked
  hard together to find a common solution. In these very last days, we
  continued a very honest and direct conversation.
  I just received the news, and I'm glad to share it with you all.
 
  I personally think that the Fundraising Team made a brave move (as they
  will not likely meet the fundraising goals), and would love to see it
  welcomed with the respect it deserves.
 
  Best regards
 
  Andrea
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Steinsplitter Wiki 
  steinsplitter-w...@live.com wrote:
 
   Thank you Romaine for setting up the RFC on meta [1]!
  
   So we can see what the community thinks about this.
  
   [1]
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner
  
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200
From: romaine.w...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org;
   wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves
 Monuments
   in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising
   
Hi all,
   
Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it
  is
time to ask the Wikimedia community what they think about this
   situation. I
have especially seen both parties, the Wiki Loves Monuments
 organising
teams who like to have a banner for Wiki Loves Monuments in
 September,
   and
the WMF Fundraising team who likes to have a fundraising banner in
September. Then the question remains: what has more value for the
   Wikimedia
movement?
   
To find out what the Wikimedia community thinks about this
 situation, I
have set up this Request for Comment:
   
  
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner
   
Romaine
   
2015-08-30 15:35 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com:
   
 Hi all,

 New update:

 The Italian team had some calls with the fundraising team and it
   resulted
 in:
 * Wiki Loves Monuments gets the whole 4th week of September. So we
  will
 have the WLM banner alone the first and the last week.
 * WLM IT is discussing with the community a message in the Main
 Page
  of
 Wikipedia
 * WMF will try to put a link to WLM in the banner
 * WMF will put a link to WLM in the Thank You letter for donors.
 * WMF is helping WLM Italy with a blogpost in the blog, and social
   media
 fire

 They made clear this won't happen again.

 To me, the only improvements is their promise it won't happen
 again,
   what
 we certainly keep them having their promise in future, and that the
   amount
 of time the Wiki Loves Monuments banner is shown will be 50% of the
   time.

 The rest of the outcomes is lousy and they sold us empty boxes.
 Wiki
   Loves
 Monuments depends for about 99% on a CentralNotice banner. Most
   visitors to
 Wikipedia do not visit the main page of a wiki. I do not believe a
   small
 link to WLM in a large fundraising banner would help or is seen. I
 do
   not
 believe that a link in the Thank You letter for donors would work.
 A
 blogpost will be written anyway, as Wiki Loves Monuments is the
  largest
 project of the Wikimedia movement, but still it would not reach to
  the
   core
 people Wiki Loves Monuments is aiming at. And a social media fire,
 I
   have
 no believe in it that WMF would have any control in such and the
 core
 infrastructure is not under control by WMF.

 And still no explanation why it is not possible to move the
  fundraising
 banner to a month later...

 I can only conclude that we have been put off, in Dutch:
 afgescheept
 worden (literally: being shipped of).

 At such having a blocking banner is sad news. A competition is
 large
 ruined by it.

 What I consider the most demotivating is the play the fundraising
  team
   of
 WMF has played. I certainly do not consider it fair play. Too many
   empty
 promises, dividing the community to get less resistance, no fair
 negotiations, usage of the inexperience of volunteers, and more.

 And even after explaining the community perspective many times by
   multiple
 people, I still have the impression some people in WMF still do not
   really
 get it.

 I had the occasion in the past weeks that 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-20 Thread MF-Warburg
Which is Fundraising's point? I haven't seen anything here about why WMF so
urgently needs to request Italian donations in September.
Am 20.08.2015 07:27 schrieb Risker risker...@gmail.com:

 I can understand the frustration that members of WMIT are expressing here,
 but I also see Fundraising's point.  I wonder if there are not some other
 options that could be considered.  For example, instead of a banner,
 perhaps a big bright button on the sidebar that says Upload images for
 Wiki Loves Monuments here! may be technically feasible.  It's not quite
 the equivalent of a banner, but it does address the wayfinding issue at
 least.  (I think that's possibly the biggest downside of not having the WLM
 banners in rotation.)

 Let's give ourselves permission to think outside the box a bit here; both
 of these activities are valuable and important to our movement, each of
 them have different but viable reasons for wanting to proceed during that
 specific period. There are a lot of smart people reading this mailing list.
 I'd like to think between the several-hundred of us we might be able to
 come up with a solution that works to accommodate both groups.

 Risker/Anne

 On 20 August 2015 at 01:19, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes, Andrew is right. Navigation is a very important focus point of
  organising every Wiki Loves Monuments.
 
  The complexity of the navigation is that MediaWiki and the whole group of
  Wikimedia wikis is not designed for navigation, but designed for showing
  content. In the past eight years small improvements have been made in
 this
  field, but in general speaking it is still not easy to navigate for the
  majority of the people.
 
  Romaine
 
  2015-08-19 20:45 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com:
 
   I think Andrew is right: the WLM banner serves as a pointer, and it's
  very
   easy to remember go on Wikipedia and click into the banner on the
 top.
   It's much more difficult to remember the strange name of the contest
 (in
   Italy it's still called Wiki Loves Monuments, even if it's English).
  
   And of course we do not have good analytics for the banner: nobody
 knows
   homw many page views there are in a single wiki per day, so we cannot
  count
   the clickthroughs (which we have as the link is on a WLM landing page).
  
   Aubrey
  
  
  
   On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Andrew Gray 
 andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
   wrote:
  
On 19 August 2015 at 14:26, Sam Klein sjkl...@hcs.harvard.edu
 wrote:
 There's a more general problem here we should fix:

 We already know that effectiveness of any single banner drops off
 dramatically after the first few views.  So there's rarely a reason
  to
run
 a continuous banner -- certainly not if there are other banners to
  run.
   
I think we should be cautious about using our fundraising experience
to predict the efficiency of 'delayed call-to-action' banners like
 WLM
- to my mind they seem to function in quite different roles.
   
The fundraising banner is calling for an immediate action. You see
 it,
and you either donate or you don't. If you decide not to donate, you
probably won't decide to donate on seeing it tomorrow, either; while
if you have donated, you're probably not going to donate again. So
 the
banner being repeated doesn't gain us much, and it has progressively
less value on the third, fourth, fifth appearances. There are
relatively few people who see a fundraising banner and decide I'll
sleep on it, then come back tomorrow and donate. And if they *do*,
well - there's a donate link on every page, once they're looking for
it.
   
However, WLM is calling for a delayed action - go off, do something,
and come back again to tell us about it.
   
The most desired outcome is probably that a previously uninvolved
person will see it, click through, think that sounds fun, and go
 off
to take some photos - after all, it's running all month, they can do
it at the weekend. A few days later they come back, and want to
 upload
their photos... but if the banner's not there on Wikipedia, they
 won't
really know where to go. They might not remember the name (Wiki
something?), making it hard to search for the contest, and they
probably didn't bookmark the WLM pages. There isn't anything else on
the page that would help to take them there, and if they're not
involved in the projects already they probably won't know where the
information's likely to be. If we can't make sure they can find WLM
easily when they return, then we've wasted the original call to
action, we've wasted the potential contributions, *and*, most
importantly, we've wasted their time and goodwill.
   
I think this difference in intended response styles makes it hard to
generalise from the diminishing returns experienced on fundraising.
Yes, a repeated banner will get progressively 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-19 Thread MF-Warburg
Am 19.08.2015 11:19 schrieb Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com:

 [sorry for cross-posting]

 Hello everyone.

 Thanks Romaine for bringing up this issue, because it's good to talk these
 kind of things together with the whole community. It's a way to improve
 collaboration, I hope.

 Yes, this year WLM and FR will split banners in Semptember: we reached an
 agreement in which
 * 1-7 September: everyone see a WLM banner
  * 8-22 September: everyone see a fundraising banner
  * 23-30 September: the traffic will be split 50/50 between the WLM
 campaign and the fundraising campaign. (50% of readers will see a
 fundraising banner and 50% will see the WLM campaign.)

 We asked also a bigger percentage of visibility during the last 2-3 days
of
 September, as they are very important days in terms of number of photo
 uploads: we'll see if we manage to find an agreement also there.

 I'd like to declare that the conversation with the fundraising team have
 been nothing less than polite and contructive: at the same time, there
*is*
 a banner conflict, and we will both suffer from this.
 Last year (WLM 2014) we had the same problem, but in the end FR decided to
 leave us the banner for the whole September, but the final days.

 This year the conflict is on the whole month of September, and WLM in
Italy
 will definitely suffer (as it does also in normal conditions ;-).
 This is a pity because:
 * FR decided to use September months ago, and they are now in a rush and
 cannot really change their plans

How ridiculous. As if WMF would urgently need this money from Italy and as
if it's hard work to change the date when some fundraising banners are
shown to October.

 * WMIT decided to run WLM on September months ago as well, as it has done
 for the past 4 years. WMIT also declared his plans on WLM in the FDC
 appplication, reviewed in May. Knowing also that last year there was the
 same issue, it's fair to say, I hope, that from WMIT part there was no
lack
 of communication.

 I agree with Maarten that, in the end, it's WMF decision the one that
 counts.
 This is why we were firm in stating our position but did not put up a
fight
 (or a scene). We manage to reach a more favorable agreement for WLM (we
 asked for the first and last week of September, as they are in our opinion
 the most important).

 What we plan to do now is discussing the issue also with the Funds
 Dissemination Committee, as it will impact our goals and figures and
 metrics. Moreover, we do have sponsors in Italy for WLM, and it will not
be
 easy to explain them if numbers drop dramatically.
 Lorenzo will explain to you what WLM means in terms of organization and
 management in Italy.

 Of course, this is the last time this problem has to happen. If the WMF is
 committed in running the FR banner in September in Italy (it seems it's
the
 most favorable month), WMIT will have to change WLM and run it in October.
 I don't see other solutions.

 I hope this mail cleared a bit the situation.

 Cheers

 Andrea Zanni
 Wikimedia Italia

 On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Peter Southwood 
 peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

  Is there not a method for time to be booked in advance for these things?
  Like a year in advance, so projects can be planned properly and not
  crippled at the last minute?
  Peter
 
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  wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Liam Wyatt
  Sent: Tuesday, 18 August 2015 10:06 PM
  To: Wikimedia Mailing List
  Cc: Wiki Loves Monuments Photograph Competition
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked
  by WMF fundraising
 
  On Tuesday, 18 August 2015, attolippip attolip...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Can we get the WMF comments about it publicly?
  
The WMF Fundraising department asked me to submit my own comments and
  feedback from previous years that can be taken into account for the
  2015-16 fundraiser at:
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2015-16_Fundraising_ideas
 
  Some of the feedback is perennial - we have the same debates every
year.
  But, if that is the page where the Fundraising team have requested
  comments about the forthcoming fundraiser be placed, then I suggest that
  people use it.
 
  -Liam
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread MF-Warburg
I still think it was a big mistake (of the electcom? I don't remember, but
/someone/ pushed it through without discussions) in the 2013 election to
abolish the Schulze method.
Am 06.06.2015 19:16 schrieb Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:

 Moving this discussion into a separate thread, to leave the main one
 for best wishes and similar :)

 Before I start talking about the voting system itself, I have to say
 that, from my personal perspective, I wouldn't imagine better outcome:
 a Polish steward (my favorite Wikimedian group :) ), a Croat founder
 of Wikidata (whom I consider as a friend) and a very prominent English
 Wikipedian, with significant record of working with smaller languages
 (BTW, I didn't know that he's a candidate till I saw the results; I
 didn't vote, as I still don't think I am able to make informed
 decision; useful note: one year out of movement requires more than one
 year to be able to fully participate again).

 When I read the results for the first time, I thought that it's about
 structural changes. However, it was not. Present Board members were
 just punished as present board members (some people will always object
 your work) with negative votes, as well as Sj was punished with lack
 of positive votes because of his laziness :P

 The problem is obviously the voting system. And it's one more reason
 why standing committee should be created. With more time, they would
 know why it's perfect for stewards and why it isn't for any kind of
 democratic representatives (including English Wikipedia ArbCom; as far
 as I remember, this is exactly the method how en.wp ArbCom is
 elected).

 Stewards have to be trusted all over the projects and 80% threshold
 follows that idea. However, stewards are not reelected, they have to
 show to that they are doing good job and there is the space for those
 who are doing important, but not visible job. Bottom line is that
 stewards themselves decide if somebody would stay a steward or not.
 (If there were objections from the community.) And stewards are doing
 that job perfectly.

 It should be also noted that stewards are elected managers, not
 democratic representatives, which Board members and en.wp ArbCom
 members are.

 This system is bad because of two main reasons: (1) it isn't suitable
 for electing democratic representatives; and (2) it's very vulnerable
 to abuse, which could easily create negative culture.

 Applying this to the democratic elections consistently means one of
 two things: we want to have conformists in the Board or we want to
 change Board members every two years.

 I hope the first is not our idea. The second could be, but two years
 in office is too short period of time for a Board member to do
 anything substantially. So, this method would be a valid one if the
 term of a Board member would be, let's say, four years.

 The output of the elections is not democratic, as well. It's obvious
 that Maria got the most support and it's 5% more than the first one,
 as well as Phoebe had more support than the second one.

 While I think that opposing votes are important, they shouldn't be
 *that* important. Successful candidate had to gather 3 supporting
 votes for every opposing one. If the supporting and opposing votes
 have the same weight, it would be more fair.

 With the formula S-O, the results would be:
 1) Dariusz: 2028-556=1472
 2) Maria: 2184-775=1409
 3) Phoebe: 1995-714=1281
 4) James: 1857-578=1279
 5) Denny: 1628-544=1084

 And the results would be much more according to the expressed will of
 the community: Dariusz is well respected steward and community has
 given him a lot of support, and as he is a new candidate he didn't do
 anything which would annoy a part of the community. Maria had
 significant opposition, but also the biggest number of supporters,
 which has to be acknowledged. Phoebe and James would have been very
 close, while Denny wouldn't reach support threshold.

 If one opposing vote has weight of three supporting votes, this could
 easily change the strategy of the groups interested to see one of
 their candidates as Board members. Instead of vote for, we'd get
 vote against attitude. That's not just abusive toward the system,
 but also creates negative atmosphere, where candidates and supporting
 groups could start looking into each other as enemies, not as fellow
 Wikimedians.

 So, while the current voting system has given refreshing results, it
 would be bad to keep it as it's now. To be honest, I would avoid
 negative votes at all, as I am sure that even more fair system would
 be implemented, if it contains negative votes next time, we'll get
 much more negative votes than this time, with negative consequences
 for our culture.

 On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I have a lot of personal opinions on the method, questions process, etc.
  Many of them will be shared in the committee's post mortem (others I will
  be discarding as I now process the 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Priority languages

2015-06-01 Thread MF-Warburg
Actually, currently the requirements are
- most-used messages for the first project in a language
- continuing translation activity on TWN for all others
Am 02.06.2015 02:18 schrieb Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:

 On Jun 2, 2015 02:08, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
 
  Milos Rancic wrote:
  On Jun 2, 2015 00:39, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote:
  Won't get a project? Are you saying that new project language
   editions are only approved if the MediaWiki messages for that language
   are all translated already? (Maybe I'm misunderstanding.)
  
  [...]
  
  It would be useful for the sake of future arguments to have data how
 often
  people access to particular messages.
 
  Directly related: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T65416#1042471.
  Though upon re-reading it just now, the specific wording used at
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_proposal_policy is actually
  softer than I thought (it is recommended instead of a hard
 requirement).

 Will read Phabricator discussion in the morning...

 Regarding LPP wording, as I mentioned above, it's theory. Practice is
 pretty hard and was even harder in the past. I remember Robin and I were
 waging hard battles for every set we wanted to remove from requirements.

 I am sure that's documented somewhere, but I forgot where. It should be
 somewhere on Meta.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-18 Thread MF-Warburg
Special:Log/renameuser
Am 19.03.2015 00:59 schrieb Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com:

 So, for the third time: Will there be a report accessible to normal users
 that has the name changes for the most voluminous contributors who have had
 a name change so that one can transfer one's experience with a user to the
 user's new name?

 On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Keegan Peterzell 
 kpeterz...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Hello,
 
  On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   I'm a bit confused about implications of SUL for edit history.
  
 
  Just like renames work now, the user's new name will show up in edit
  histories.
 
  --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-06 Thread MF-Warburg
Sorry if this was already answered and I overlooked it, but will there be
something like a special form of advertising this campaign in order to
attract many requests that propose to do something about the Gender Gap?

2015-01-06 21:11 GMT+01:00 Siko Bouterse sboute...@wikimedia.org:

 On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Anders Wennersten 
 m...@anderswennersten.se
 wrote:

  Thanks Siko, also from me.
 
  I do hope that  you use this time to really learn of the dynamics of
  grants/impact, by following up of earlier experience and also in defining
  expectations targets etc in a specific area
 
  For me an eyeopener was a program run in Sweden by WMSE to get more
 female
  contributors.  It was funded from outside WMF and primary involved
  workshops for Wikipedia writing, in a form we are all familiar with. The
  workshops was run in different middlesized towns and got a very limited
  attendance, 3-15 persons, whereof only a tiny fraction stayed on as
  Wikipedians after the workshop.   I got annoyed at first noticing it cost
  something like 100-200 dollar per participant, and 20 times as much to
 get
  the one among them who stayed on  but only making some 50-100 edits. I
 saw
  it as a truly waste of money (not WMF though).
 
  But then I learned that those activities attracted more media attention
  than any other program having been run by WMSE, there must now be between
  30-50 coverages in local and nationwide papers and radio stations.  And
 the
  funding body saw this as a thundering success, and has given even more
  funding for a second year. And then something happened as a result from
  this media coverage, more female editors has now a year later turned up!
 
  Anders
 
 
 Thanks for sharing this example, Anders. We're definitely going to learn a
 lot from this experiment, as I am from this discussion, and will be sharing
 back findings too :)

 Your point about media interest as well as longer term impact is super
 important. While we do need to be able to demonstrate some short-term
 impact, I also think that for many of the grants we make the impact can
 really only seen much more clearly in the longer term. So following up well
 after the pilot is over will also be important.

 I don't usually think that media coverage alone = thundering success (like
 you, I'd probably have been disappointed at first with the early outcomes
 you mentioned). But I do see that one possible outcome for campaigns like
 this is increased media coverage which in turn could result in longer term
 impact by bringing in more people to the projects. Will be on the lookout
 for this - glad you mentioned it!

 Siko


 
 
  Chris Keating skrev den 2015-01-06 10:53:
 
   Thanks for the details Siko!
 
  Going back to the original message in this thread - I would indeed be
  concerned if the WMF was shutting down grantmaking for good projects
 for 3
  months for no good reason.
 
  However that's not really what's happening. It's more that non-urgent
  grantmaking is being postponed; and there is a good rationale for it
 (one
  more about wanting to experiment with grantmaking styles, than about the
  gender gap being a special case).
 
  Makes sense to me.
 
  Chris
 
 
  On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
  wrote:
 
   Actually, the experiment is whether such a campaign would drive more
  successful grants, as I understand it. It works from the assumption
 that
  such grants would have a positive impact. I'm happy to go with that
  assumption though.
 
  I still strongly disagree with this initiative, but especially the way
 it
  is executed. I'm glad to hear that all time-sensitive requests can
 still
  apply during this period - that would probably be quite a few requests.
 
  I'm still in the dark as to why this has to be a three month program
  (that
  is a very long period of time to put everything on hold for an
  experiment)
  and not just 2-4 weeks. Then you could actually commit to quicker
  run-through times in the program, etc. Reducing the time frame would
  reduce
  the damaging side effect significantly.
 
  Lodewijk
 
  On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:47 AM, Peter Southwood 
  peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
 
   Did you not see the bit about experimental?
  Cheers,
  Peter
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
  wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern
 Hoehrmann
  Sent: 06 January 2015 05:48 AM
  To: Wikimedia Mailing List
  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good
  projects for 3 months for no reason
 
  * Siko Bouterse wrote:
 
  Why the gender gap? Although we’ve committed to supporting and
  increasing gender diversity, so far these kinds of projects haven’t
  emerged organically at any meaningful scale. In the first half of
 this
  year, IEG and PEG have spent only 9% of funds on projects aiming to
  directly impact this gap and less than ? of our grantee project
 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediauk-l] Using list moderation as censorship

2014-11-24 Thread MF-Warburg
Looks like Extension:MoodBar aka FeedbackDashboard, which was enabled on
enwiki for some time.
Am 24.11.2014 22:26 schrieb svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au:

 Think I can run an instance of https://github.com/mozilla/fjord on Labs
 and have various Wikimedia projects (Wikis and Chapters) point to it in
 their sidebar. A universal Leave Feedback link.

 It would take people to a page similar to
 https://input.mozilla.org/en-US/feedback, with an appropriate disclaimer:
 If you need help or have a problem with Firefox, please visit Firefox
 Support. We could be able to customize it for each project to fit our
 needs. (Include aggressive pointers to OTRS queues and village pumps for
 each project, as appropriate).

 Thoughts?

 --
 svetlana


 On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, at 08:19, svetlana wrote:
  I maintain that I would love to have a formal universal feedback channel
 for Chapters work. It has to be drama-free, but transparent, and not
 moderated.
 
  Feedback is occasionally not negative, and may contain thorough project
 ideas.
 
  --
  svetlana
 
  On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 18:03, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
   Hoi,
   As there is this constant call for more paper work for chapters, it
 has to
   be understood that this is exactly what kills the productivity of
 chapters.
   There are always more people with their opinion why this that or the
 other
   is amiss. They all have their arguments why they think they are right
 and
   consequently contribute to the noise level that is already way too
 high.
  
   If anything we should look for ways of appreciating the effect of
 chapters
   that does not make them beholden to every John Dick AND Harry and at
 the
   same time gives them equal space to move as effectively as the
 Wikimedia
   Foundation itself.
   Thanks,
 GerardM
  
   On 23 November 2014 at 23:02, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au
 wrote:
  
To clarify: I would like to see a more strong mechanism for review of
Chapters work. This includes thorough feedback channels about how
 Chapters
communicate, how they spend their funding. Including means to
 dissolve a
Chapter if a large chunk of people believes it is not working well
 (such
as, providing inadequate support to the Wikimedia movement).
   
This feedback channel is probably not here, but I feel this list
 could be
an appropriate place to discuss how the above could be implemented.
   
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 08:28, svetlana wrote:
 I disagree, the question raised is relevant to the Wikimedia
 movement as
a whole.

 On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, at 02:37, Austin Hair wrote:
  Fae,
 
  Please do not drag this list into whatever trouble you've found
  yourself in on another. Wikimedia-l is neither a court of
 appeals for
  Wikimedia-related lists nor a bullhorn for your personal
 grievances.
 
  Austin
 
 
  On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi Darcy,
  
   I am concerned at what appears to be deliberate suppression of
   questions raising governance related issues from the wikimedia
 UK
   email list. The email below is an example. The list was always
   intended to be independent of the UK chapter, though one of the
   moderators is one of your employees.
  
   Could you please confirm that neither you, nor your employees,
 are
   manipulating this public list to your political advantage.
  
   Thanks,
   Fae
  
   -- Forwarded message --
   From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com
   Date: 18 November 2014 at 19:24
   Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Welcome ro D'Arcy Myers
   To: UK Wikimedia mailing list 
 wikimediau...@lists.wikimedia.org
   Cc: geni...@gmail.com, Harry Mitchell hjmitch...@ymail.com
  
  
   It would be nice to hear from the board how this was discussed
 before
   offering the interim position. After all, in the several
 interviews I
   took part in for WMUK staff, pretty much the first basic
 question was
   along the lines of 'have you ever edited Wikipedia?' as a way
 of
   assessing what the candidate knows about Wikimedia; so I can
 not
   believe this would come as a surprise considering how
 sensitive the
   board is on COI and its perception by our community.
  
   Fae
  
  
  
   On 18 November 2014 19:13, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
   On 18 November 2014 18:55, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
   [[user:Dcfmyers]] has no other edits.
  
  
  
   whoops missed a couple of deleted ones 2 edits to [[George
 More
O'Ferrall]]. A direct copy and paste of
  
   http://www.screenonline.org.uk/people/id/527160/
  
   In fairness copyright is a pretty blameless error for new
 editors
  
  
   --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2014-10-29 Thread MF-Warburg
Could you please also add the names of your normal (aka volunteer)
accounts? :)
Am 30.10.2014 00:16 schrieb Michael Guss mg...@wikimedia.org:

 Hi folks,

 We are the Finance Fellows, a multicultural team consisting of 4 young
 professionals. We are happy to introduce a 6-month movement-wide project
 that focuses on the consistency of how we operate, which is explained
 further in this announcement.

 *But here's some information about us*:

 Arda [User:Melmas_(WMF)] 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Melmas_(WMF) is
 from Turkey. He holds a BA in Economics.


 Lene [User:Lgillis_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lgillis_(WMF) is from Belgium. She
 holds a Master's degree in Applied Economics and a Master's degree in
 Business Communication.

 Seyi [User:Oolukoya_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Oolukoya_(WMF) is from Nigeria. She
 holds a Master's in International Business and a BSc in Economics.

 Walter [User:Wagsegura_(WMF)]
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Wagsegura_(WMF) is from Nicaragua.
 He holds a BA in Applied Economics.

 *About the project Movement-wide financial report*

 Driven by the Wikimedia Foundation's guiding principles of transparency and
 accountability, our goal is to gather data and develop systematic metrics
 in order to provide a better understanding of financial statements. The aim
 is to help make financial data and statements more consistent and
 comparable across all Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the
 Wikimedia Foundation, to the benefit of the whole movement.

 The idea of this project comes from the WMF Board of Trustee's Audit
 Committee and is supported by the Wikimedia Foundation. An initial
 quantitative
 analysis of Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations
 https://wikimania2013.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/Chapters_in_Numbers
 demonstrated
 at Wikimania 2013 by Michal Buczyński (User:Aegis Maelstrom)
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aegis_Maelstrom, highlighted the
 importance of meaningful, obtainable and unified data.

 The Finance Fellows have been formed by WMF to spearhead this project. The
 intention of this project is to enable Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic
 Organizations to benchmark activities and costs in a consistent way. We
 will begin by gathering comparable quantitative financial data about
 Wikimedia Chapters and Thematic Organizations. Our findings will later be
 released movement-wide, on Meta-Wiki.

 Please note that this is not an audit process. We are simply collecting the
 data and developing global metrics. The metric is an objective measurement
 that will enable data to be consistent, meaningful and comparable among the
 Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic Organizations, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

 We will build on existing data sets and reach out to Chapters and Thematic
 Organizations if further information is required. After processing the
 gathered information, we will confirm the data with each organization.

 In the long run, we envision that this project could be replicated
 annually. In this attempt to enable Wikimedia Chapters, Thematic
 Organizations, and the Wikimedia Foundation to help make the movement's
 financial data more consistent, we rely on the data provided by the
 organizations. We believe that there is enough data available to make a new
 attempt on capturing the movement's finances as a whole.

 A meta page 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement-wide_Financial_Report
 was
 created for the project, in order to make the information accessible to
 everyone and create a space for discussion and/or suggestions. We strongly
 encourage you to share with us what types of additional information is
 desired.

 And of course: This is all an experiment! If it does not work, we will try
 to apply a modified 'agile' process by iterating, repeating, and trying
 again based on the feedback we are getting. If this does not seem right, or
 if it appears we are missing something obvious, please let us know!

 Thank you,

 WMF Finance Fellows (User:WMF Finance Fellows)
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMF_Finance_Fellows
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering

2014-09-29 Thread MF-Warburg
Can we get to know his username(s)? :)
Am 29.09.2014 19:38 schrieb Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org:

 Dear all,

 We are excited to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation now has a Vice
 President of Engineering. Damon Sicore will be filling this vital role.
 Please join us in welcoming him to the team.

 The VPE role will be crucial to further developing and maintaining the
 technology that supports the very core of the Wikimedia movement, and
 ensuring the development, scale, and stability of the MediaWiki
 architecture.


 Damon joins us as part of planned growth of our product and engineering
 teams, first announced in November 2012. As we have grown, we need
 dedicated focus on product and engineering as separate departments, to
 ensure development of best practices like performance engineering,
 continuous delivery, A/B testing, software re-architecture, UI/UX work, and
 user research. Erik Moeller, who filled the role of VP for both product and
 engineering since 2011, led in the creation of this new role and was
 essential to the search process.  From today onward, Erik will focus on his
 role as VP of Product and Strategy and Deputy Director of the WMF, while
 Damon will take over leadership of the Engineering team; both will report
 to me as part of the c-level team.

 Damon has a unique track record of managing large platform rollouts using
 distributed teams like ours, while understanding the essential role of
 community contributions and working in a transparent, open source
 environment. These skills and experiences will be invaluable in his work
 here at the Foundation. It’s unusual to find someone who understands us so
 well, and so I want to thank the many people from across the organization,
 especially in the engineering, product, and human resources teams, who have
 been involved in making this search successful.

 We are very happy to have Damon on board. His proven track record of
 managing large platform rollouts using distributed teams like ours, while
 understanding the essential role of community contributions and working in
 a transparent, open source environment, is unique and invaluable as part of
 our movement.

 We’ll be sending around a copy of the press release shortly. You’ll also be
 be able to meet Damon, and ask him questions, this Thursday at our monthly
 Metrics Meeting
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings.
 Please join us there!

 Please join me in welcoming Damon.

 Lila
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread MF-Warburg
Why should he give himself credit for your insufficient testing?
Am 19.09.2014 12:19 schrieb Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org:

 On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Anders Wennersten 
 m...@anderswennersten.se
  wrote:

  Thanks!, glad you could sort this out and file a bug
 
  But really, I understand from this that this feature was released as a
  Beta feature without it ever been tried out on any other project then
 enwp,
  which for me indicate a proper process for Alpha test before release to
  beta as been missing...
 

 Sorry, I don't agree! I think the process worked very well just now. You're
 not giving yourself enough credit, I'm afraid :)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread MF-Warburg
Am 10.09.2014 09:56 schrieb Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

 Hoi,
 I expected that it was obvious... Arguments that are based on desktop
 experiences are futile because  the desktop experience is the lesser of
two
 evils. The desktop experience is already bad, the experience on mobiles
and
 tablets is much worse it is intolerably unusable,

 Yes, you are overlooking stuff when you only consider inserting an
isolated
 comment that may help. That is not the only problem and not even the main
 problem. Reading and analysing talk pages is already next to impossible in
 this environment therefore inserting an isolated comment does not help
 enough to make the experience at least bearable.
 Thanks,
   GerardM

What do you propose to make talk pages easier to read and analyse?


 On 10 September 2014 09:47, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   Hoi.
   When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a
computer
   screen. A mobile or tablet screen is increasingly not used in
isolation.
 
  I'm not sure what you mean by this.
 
  It
   is where we find our new users and editors. We cannot afford to ignore
   them; they are our future. This is why tinkering with talk pages is
not
  an
   option. Moving away from talk pages because of mobiles and tablets is
the
   killer reason why we need to move away from talk pages.
  
   It is a killer reason because it makes all arguments to the contrary
pale
   away.
   Thanks,
GerardM
 
  What I find most painful about talk pages on mobile (on the desktop
skin,
  because so far I've been too impatient to find talk pages and edit
  functionality on mobile) have been that editing huge text areas really
  sucks (the scrolling and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is
  not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace
pages.
 
  A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct
indentation
  level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff?
  
   On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra 
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com
wrote:

 
  FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments
  about
  sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my
family
  situation, I'm pretty sure I would have bailed. In any case, it
was
  much easier to engage at WO, and that was partly- but not
mostly-
  due
  to the fact that they run discussion software over there.
 
  ,Wil
 
 
 ​This - signing by hand - is pretty much a universal experience
for
  new
 users, myself included.


   
   
 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:History_of_Alaskadiff=prevoldid=26555079
 ​


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 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
   
I'm not saying that isn't crap and unwelcoming: it is, and it deters
  new
users. But it's hardly the end of the world either. By signing the
  wrong
way no real harm is done, if someone just tells you about the
option to
  use

   
It's crap and archaic and should be fixed, but it's also an example
of
  the
idea that there are no mistakes on a wiki. So you did something not
  right?
Great, that means you contributed. So we fix it (collaboratively)
and
improve your contribution, no harm done.
   
That said, auto sign and a reply button would be a *whole* lot
  friendlier
than what we have now, and would be great improvements over the
current
situation.
   
Flow definitely has a reply button, and automatic signing as well,
but
  I
can't help but think that just those features in isolation would be
  better
then completely overhauling talk pages.
   
--Martijn
   

 This is my personal email address. Everything sent from this email
address
 is in a personal capacity.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-27 Thread MF-Warburg
What the heck is a design community at all, and why does their opinion
count, when WMF uses every opportunity to claim it is super-unfair to claim
that the community wants anything?


2014-08-27 6:49 GMT+02:00 geni geni...@gmail.com:

 On 27 August 2014 05:16, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 
  And the design community is taking notice:
 
 
 https://news.layervault.com/stories/31897-wikipedia-already-looks-great--just-add-m-on-desktop
 
 
 We already know the  design community doesn't like the edit button. Was
 there any reason you thought we should pay attention to their opinion?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-10 Thread MF-Warburg
Your mail is embarrassing.
If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you don't
understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com:

 The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
 acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
 administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what has
 happened?

 * Wheel/edit wars
 * A new user right to prevent disruption
 * A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
 * A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki

 And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
 children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming to get
 it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of being
 too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.

 To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the overlords, the
 masters, god of
 Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome feature
 where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community and
 Foundation.

 I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they certainly
 have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can not
 blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not deserve.

 
 Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best you
 can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate and
 not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything you
 have done so far as a matter of fact.

 Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities in
 exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so much
 dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do so.

 In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted inappropriately and
 our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to implement
 a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page because
 of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
 performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why did
 dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer. From what
 I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for Wikipedias and
 their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
 reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG UNUSABLE
 DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to view
 and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both users and
 the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.

 If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media Viewer
 on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows 1.1%
 consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.

 I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop bitching at
 the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik super
 protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I feel
 are technically incompetent.

 John Lewis



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-10 Thread MF-Warburg
Oh sorry, that was totally not the intention. It must be the strange beer
here at the Thistle Barbecue hotel.
Am 11.08.2014 00:54 schrieb Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk:

 MF-Warburg, that came across as a bit rude...
 On 11 Aug 2014 00:29, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote:

  Your mail is embarrassing.
  If you think the foundation is like the parent of the community, you
 don't
  understand anything about the foundation nor the community.
  Am 11.08.2014 00:05 schrieb John Lewis johnflewi...@gmail.com:
 
   The people who were actually responsible were the community. Erik was
   acting in a preventative role to prevent further disruption not punish
   administrators. The community. couldn't take no for an answer and what
  has
   happened?
  
   * Wheel/edit wars
   * A new user right to prevent disruption
   * A priviledge has been revoked on dewiki
   * A user has been desysoped by the community for no reason on dewiki
  
   And who are we blaming? Erik. Why? Because we are a bunch of stubborn
   children. We don't get what we want so we are kicking and screaming to
  get
   it but in the end; we don't and we then accuse our parent (WMF) of
 being
   too harsh, mean and taking away something we like but do not deserve.
  
   To be honest - until we as a community learn we are not the overlords,
  the
   masters, god of
   Wikimedia, we can work to building a real encyclopedia with awesome
  feature
   where are all work in a good environment and get on as a community and
   Foundation.
  
   I am not saying the WMF is perfect and is not in the wrong; they
  certainly
   have some blame to take and I will come onto that shortly, but we can
 not
   blame the Foundation for revoking something we clearly do not deserve.
  
   
   Erik, While I will say you have not been communicating stuff the best
 you
   can and this new user right was proxy deployed by Tim and an advocate
 and
   not your self - you mean well and I see this. I agree with everything
 you
   have done so far as a matter of fact.
  
   Fabrice, Have you attempted to start any discussions with communities
 in
   exactly why they don't want Media Viewer and how exactly it causes so
  much
   dispute that it requires Erik to proxy intervene? It not, please do so.
  
   In a short conclusion - I feel both parties have acted inappropriately
  and
   our bitching at each other does far than solve it. The WMF had to
  implement
   a new right and revoke dewiki's access to their site wide js page
 because
   of their refusal to accept what the WMF said and want to create a
   performance killer hack to 'fix it' at the cost of performance. Why did
   dewiki have to do this? The WMF refusing to disable Media Viewer. From
  what
   I see, the WMF have backed up by they refused to do this for Wikipedias
  and
   their compromise for Commons is acceptable. I have yet to see a valid
   reason why Media Viewer exactly makes Wikipedia go into a 'OMG UNUSABLE
   DISABLE IT FUCKING NOW OR I WILL' state. Media Viewer allows you to
 view
   and images without leaving the page - reducing load time for both users
  and
   the WMF. It is hardly the beginning if the end for images.
  
   If we take a quick look at the statistics - 64 voted against Media
 Viewer
   on the English Wikipedia while 6kish users enabled it, this shows 1.1%
   consensus for disabling the extension in a whole.
  
   I will not ramble on any more. I just ask the community to stop
 bitching
  at
   the WMF and accept their decision. Until then - I fully support Erik
  super
   protecting every single js and CSS page on every wiki as most Sysop I
  feel
   are technically incompetent.
  
   John Lewis
  
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Multilingual office hours

2014-08-04 Thread MF-Warburg
How do you envision the bilingual office hours to be set up? Should there
be someone who translates everything that is being said?
It seems to me that having office hours in simply a different language than
English, if enough informed staffers are able to speak it, would be more
feasible.
Am 04.08.2014 21:39 schrieb Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com:

 Most office hours are understandably in English, but I for one would be
 interested in supporting language diversity in our office hours.

 I believe that at least three WMF employees in the Grantmaking Department
 speak some Spanish, and Spanish is spoken by a large percentage of the
 global south, so I am wondering if there would be interest in having a
 bilingual Grantmaking office hour in English and Spanish. If there is
 interest in adding a third language to the mix I would suggest French due
 to the acclaim given to Wikimedia France in their most recent review from
 the Funds Dissemination Committee, with the hope that other thematic
 organizations can learn from Wikimedia France's experience.

 Similarly, due to the substantial number of technical contributors to the
 Wikimedia projects who speak German, I am wondering if there would be
 interest in an explicitly bilingual German and English office hour for the
 Product and Engineering Department or for Wikidata. I would also suggest
 that Indic languages could be valuable for a Product and Engineering office
 hour, due to my unscientific perception that there is substantial interest
 in Language Engineering from Wikimedians who speak Indic languages.

 Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] So now the Wikipedia comes in handy to 'vouch' for 419 scams

2014-06-02 Thread MF-Warburg
Sure sure, very credible.
Am 02.06.2014 12:58 schrieb Rui Correia correia@gmail.com:

 I expect to see an increase in these once the idea spreads

 Rui

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  *Sent:* Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:00 AM
  *To:* Jourdan Hilaire
  *Subject:* Grants
 
   I, Liliane Bettencourt Authenticate this email of 3.5M USD grant to
 you, please view my link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liliane_Bettencourt
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-10 Thread MF-Warburg
On that occasion, do IPs still receive information about messages on their
talk page? (Since the orange bar was abolished and they now go through echo
notifications all well)
Am 10.01.2014 21:29 schrieb Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org:

 For 1: because it'd be impossible to accurately associate notifications
 with the person, I assume.


 On 10 January 2014 12:11, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 10/01/14 19:21, Ryan Kaldari wrote:
 
  These are two reason we don't have Thanks for anonymous editors:
  1. Anonymous editors don't get notifications
  2. Multiple editors often share the same IP address
  Problem #2 isn't as prominent as it use to be, but there are still many
  large companies and schools that connect to the internet through a
 single
  IP. I imagine that once IPv6 is widely in use, this problem will go away
  and we'll be able to turn on all notifications (including Thanks) for
  anonymous editors.
 
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  1. Why not?
  2. A time limit might help resolve that with ipv4 addresses. Alternately,
  thanks could potentially be nice even if they didn't make the edit
  themselves, since it's the general feeling and such, so just letting that
  through for ipv4 addresses might be an option.
 
  Mind I'm mostly just echoing something someone else said on IRC just now,
  but they seem like interesting points to me.
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.

2013-10-10 Thread MF-Warburg
Can this whole discussion please be moved to enwiki or at least the enwiki
list? Working out details of an article is not really the topic of this
list.
Am 10.10.2013 12:44 schrieb Geoff Beacon geoffbea...@sent.com:

 Thanks James

 ... but that isn't an answer about carbon footprints. Climate change may
 be controversial. I'm in the thick of that argument but carbon footprints
 are simpler and fit with other information on Wikipedia. e.g. [Global
 Warming Potential] and [Carbon Dioxide Equivalent]

 [break]

 But now I've looked at those I'm very confused the definition of [Carbon
 Dioxide Equivalent] does not seem to be influenced by the lifetime of
 greenhouse gasses as opposed to [Global Warming Potential]. Perhaps I have
 been using a different concept of CO2e.

 I've noticed that PAS2050 is referenced in [Carbon footprint]. There are a
 some serious criticisms that can be made of this. As I remember it

 -- ignores the radiative forcing index associated with air travel,
 -- uses the unrealistic conventional wisdom of a 100 year time scale for
 calculating carbon footprint
 -- assumes all wood product will be returned to carbon dioxide
 -- but allows cement to recapture some CO2 within their time-frame.

 The consequences are to go easy on beef, air travel, cement, steel and
 penalise wood products. This would be inline with government political
 objectives and some commercial interests.

 If I were to point these things out somewhere in the [Carbon footprint]
 piece would my entry be removed? I know of no academic work that has
 received funding to make these points so there is no peer reviewed
 literature.

 Could I quote PAS2050 as it isn't peer reviewed?

 Best wishes

 Geoff

 - Original message -
 From: James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com
 To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
 Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:37:49 +0800

  The inherent complexity and controversy of carbon footprints.
  What do you mean by that?

 Even those who fight for inclusion of the facts about climate change
 on Wikipedia aren't very likely to follow the peer reviewed secondary
 literature when it comes to reporting the extent of changes in extreme
 weather.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Extreme_weatheraction=history
 has some good examples, with more going back years.

 There's really no way to get Wikipedia to correctly reflect
 controversial topics unless you are willing to invest the time it
 takes to counter conflicted interest editing.

 Good luck!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-28 Thread MF-Warburg
2013/4/28 Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de

 2013/4/28 Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org

  If edits on meta, mediawiki, outreach, etc., qualify, and we were to
 lower
  the edit count requirement, then I think that would be inclusive of
  most/all contributors. Would something like that make sense?
 
  Yes, that would be a very good solution!

 Pavel



That's probably why edits on all wikis count already.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2013#Requirements
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] WMIT bulletin no. 44: January 23, 2013

2013-01-25 Thread MF-Warburg
I have just done this.
The place to request changes in it is
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Www.wikipedia.org_template btw :)

2013/1/25 Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk

 So, now that Wikimedia Italiano is over 1,000,000 articles, who's going to
 update the page at http://www.wikipedia.org/ to match?

 Richard Symonds
 Wikimedia UK
 0207 065 0992

 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
 Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
 Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
 United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
 movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
 operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).

 *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
 over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage project launch/migration update

2012-11-12 Thread MF-Warburg
2012/11/12 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com

 Roland Unger, 12/11/2012 07:46:

  Hi folks,

 the Wikivoyage e.V. got the xml files of more language versions, I
 think also for es, fi, hu, ja, pl, pt, ro and zh from user Wrh2.


 Where are they? Again, please publish them.


I can only underline this. It would be quite necessary to know how many
pages existed there and how active the project actually was (There is no
reason for the language committee to make an exception for all these
languages IN BULK if some have actually no current interest from users).
The XML dumps can of course be imported to Incubator in the case that an
own subdomain is not immediately created.
Note that some pages for a wikivoyage in Spanish have already been started
on Incubator, as well as this request/discussion:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikivoyage_Spanish

Besides, can these old wikis from which the xml files were taken still be
accessed? At least it is not http://pt.wikivoyage-old.org/ .



 But there were no users who helped us to check to contents.


 https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_**versionshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikivoyage/New_language_versionsis
  now on Meta, by the way.
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/New_wikis_importershttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/New_wikis_importers/might/
  want to help doing the XML import, depending on how much
 pre-emptive cleanup is actually needed; you can try asking them.


 Indeed ;-)
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[Wikimedia-l] Language committee report, August 2012

2012-09-01 Thread MF-Warburg
Please find below the Language committee report for August, or read the
wiki version at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Reports/2012-08

===Committee===
*Please see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cooperation_between_Wikimedia_and_Endangered_Languages_Projectfor
the cooperation with
http://endangeredlanguages.com which was already mentioned last month.

===Requests and approvals===
*Basa Sunda Wikibooks has been closed [1]
*Some discussion about the request for a Manchu Wikipedia, which is now
going to be developed on Incubator ([2]), preliminarily in Latin script
until technical requirements are met.
*The request for a Korean Wikiversity might be revisited in September
[3][4].
*The request for a Vilamovian Wikipedia [5] has been verified as eligible.
*The Wikipedia in Livonian [6] is likely to get approved, pending
verification of the content.

===Other===
*Langcom suggests to create a mobile phone application that allows easy
uploading of audio or video recording to Commons, and putting them on a
Wikipedia or Wiktionary page of the recorded word or concept; as such
recordings are a good way to help (endangered) languages on WMF projects.
The current app that was developed for uploading Wiki Loves Monuments
entries could probably be easily adapted, if there is a developer who would
like to attend to do this.
*An appreciable outreach project has lead to a high number of contributions
in the Yucatec Wikipedia test project on Incubator this month.

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Basa_Sunda_Wikibooks_%282%29
[2] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/mnc
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiversity_Korean
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#About_establishing_Korean_Wikiversity
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Vilamovian
[6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Livonian
[7]
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/08/15/translating-wikipedia-to-the-language-of-the-maya/

On a related note, a new mailing list has been created which might be
interesting for everyone interested in languages on Wikimedia projects,
including concerns and issues and projects to promote and develop small
languages; partly arising from Langcom discussions, see
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/languages.
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[Wikimedia-l] Language committee report, July 2012

2012-07-31 Thread MF-Warburg
The Language Committee (Langcom) report for July 2012 was published. The
Langcom reports used to be published on this list too for some time, but
that has stopped and they were only put on Meta.
I would now like to resume putting the monthly report here.

See the wiki version on
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Reports/2012-07

===Committee===
*The Langcom has discussed to join the ''Alliance for Linguistic
Diversity'' of Google's Endangered languages project
http://www.endangeredlanguages.com . In the wish to act as a connection
between the Wikimedia community and the project, we have applied on 25
July, mentioning Wikimedia's significant resources related to preserving
languages, e.g. Wikisource, Wiktionary and Incubator.

===Requests and approvals===
*Following a question from one of the contributors, the status of the Oriya
Wikiquote[1] was discussed, but more activity and message translation work
is required there before approval can be considered.
*The request for a Wikipedia in Gorkha [2] has been withdrawn by the
proposer. It is also not eligible per our policies.
*Assamese Wikisource [3] (cf. last month's report) was brought up again:
Translations are now finished, but the activity is not high/steady enough
yet.
*The request to close Lojban Wiktionary [4] has been rejected.
*The request to close Basa Sunda Wikibooks [5] is currently undergoing
Board review and will probably be accepted.

===Other===
*It has been discussed whether it could be allowed to use another code for
the URL of the Wikipedia in Mapundungun [6] (test project [7]), for example
of the codes that is reserved for private use in the ISO 639-3 scheme (it
would e.g. be qmp.wikipedia.org instead of arn.wikipedia.org then); because
the ISO code arn derives from a word which is claimed to be seen as
offensive by the speakers of the language. No decision was taken, but
**Some members tended to accept such a thing, others tended to rule out
such a deviation from the ISO standard. The general importance of the
standard was highlighted.
**Most members would like organizations/speakers of the language to try to
get the ISO code changed first, but it was also noted that such a change
would be very unlikely to be accepted.
**The details of why/how the code is considered offensive by the speakers
were discussed. It is generally agreed that the code will not be changed
for political reasons. Currently, the president of Wikimedia Chile has been
contacted and will try to get statements from these NGOs and Universities.


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikiquote_Oriya
[2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Gorkha
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikisource_Assamese
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Lojban_Wiktionary
[5]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Basa_Sunda_Wikibooks_(2)
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639:arn
[7] https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/arn
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