Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new Wikipedia fork: InfoGalactic

2016-10-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-10-10 6:41 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: That said, "neutrality" has always been philosophically iffy for an encyclopedia pretty much by definition: reality takes sides. To clarify what I mean in relation to that fork - "objectivity" (their second canon) is ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new Wikipedia fork: InfoGalactic

2016-10-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-10-10 2:13 PM, David Gerard wrote: "INFOGALACTIC: an online encyclopedia without bias or thought police" Why is it people unfailingly mistake "no bias" with "biases that match mine"? That said, "neutrality" has always been philosophically iffy for an encyclopedia pretty much by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

2016-04-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 16-04-22 05:04 PM, quiddity wrote: >> > i hate that >> > signpost [7] cannot be read on mobiles because of formatting. > > Last discussed in November at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archive_9#Mobile_view_not_great With luck, the work on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 16-04-12 06:25 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Yeah, what have DARPA ever done for us..? For the benefit of those who do not sport beards[1], one of the most relevant things that is a legacy of DARPA - and certainly the one Andy is alluding to - is that of Internet itself (née Arpanet). -- Coren /

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-22 2:04 AM, James Salsman wrote: Are the FreeBSD-based pfSense C2758 series in the Foundation's throughput tier? [...] That looks like decent mid-range gear, but definitely not the the hardware-supported levels needed to support operations. What are the current Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-21 6:15 PM, James Salsman wrote: Is there a list of equipment that WMF uses without viable FLOSS alternatives, please? The switches and routers for one; as far as I know, high-end networking hardware is not available with Libre OSes, nor would the supplier support one flashed with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-21 8:34 AM, Ricordisamoa wrote: And yes, it'd be nice if the server side was under WMF's control too! Yes, and no. The extra control is hypothetically nice, but in practice one-off services that are different from the rest of the infrastructure (as a shop would be, like the blog,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-03-21 8:03 AM, Ricordisamoa wrote: As in [1] I'd like to know whether the use of Shopify is acceptable for a FOSS-friendly organization. Thanks in advance. While Shopify isn't FLOSS-only, they're a fairly okay place that does contribute to FLOSS themselves (mostly in the Ruby and Go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter: Issues needing addressing by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees

2016-03-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 16-03-01 03:57 AM, David Emrany wrote: > What nobody is prepared to acknowledge is that only under Lila's term > some of the most blatant and egregious instances of coordinated PR > socking and on-wiki abuses could come out. I was tangentially part of the investigation that led to many of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What kind of ED would you like to see?

2016-02-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-02-26 6:39 PM, Lodewijk wrote: I would suggest you discuss what kind of qualities you seek in an ED, what kind of person you would be looking for - rather than specific people. Above all, and foremost amongst any quality an ED should have is to be an *excellent* communicator. I see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership

2016-02-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 16-02-22 02:08 PM, Pine W wrote: > Also in the long run I hope that the Wikimedia Foundation and our volunteer > community will emerge strong, resilient, healthy, and vibrant. I've not always agreed with you, Pine. Not often, in fact. But in this I think you will find broad agreement and a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-02-20 10:36 PM, Lila Tretikov wrote: Information asymmetry is a big issue. For example, in my role there is a lot I cannot say, I have responsibilities to protect people in the organization both current and former. So, for example, if someone is fired, even for cause, I would not say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-02-18 7:18 PM, Risker wrote: June-July-August is the most expensive period for just about everywhere in the world; March, April, September and October tend to be much less expensive in lodging, travel and direct conference costs. Maybe we need to rethink*when* we are holding Wikimania

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

2016-02-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-02-08 5:53 PM, Ellie Young wrote: The Community Resources team at the WMF recently held a consultation I will join my voice to the chorus expressing concern and dismay at the completely ridiculous interpretation of that minor discussion - it clearly does not resemble a mandate to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-01-21 7:08 AM, Florence Devouard wrote: Either the board is completely paralyzed and no more able to make any decision as to what they should do. Or the board has decided not to provide any feedback, which I consider completely disrespectful to the community and unhealthy generally.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-01-20 10:09 PM, Risker wrote: Marc is not a member of the WMF staff. [anymore]. But yeah, that was my personal opinion only and not any sort of staff-like thing - I was never involved in superprotect or its deployment. I was hacking happily at Wikimania in London when I saw (a)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

2016-01-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-01-11 1:37 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund Wikimedia Antarctica" But, but... the editathon at McMurdo Station was a resounding success! -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-01-04 2:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: Off the record, Obviously not - that was part of a different email I started. :-) -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Off the record, On 2016-01-04 2:08 PM, Pine W wrote: [...] whether there will be another employee survey. If there's a lot of dissatisfaction among the staff, the reasons for that dissatisfaction would be helpful to know. It would, wouldn't it? Old numbers may or may not be as interesting,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 2016-01-04 1:56 AM, Pine W wrote: I agree that the turnover issue is a matter that needs some consideration. But I think that issue is more relevant to the ED rather than the Board. Wouldn't that depend on whether the ED is acting at the behest of the board or not? -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-12-04 04:14 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Funny how the first response from a WMF employee was that they thought > using stock images was OK. Please don't put words into my mouth that weren't there. I said that I didn't find it /concerning/, not that it was "OK". My point in that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

2015-12-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-12-02 09:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > It wouldnt have been hard to make a free photo of a coffee, or even > create a derivative of this lovely CC0 SVG I don't think I'm concerned about the foundation fundraising staff deciding to use a stock photo - expedience and all, but I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
other community volunteers, but I very much look forward the a future Wikimania in either place. I hope we'll see you in Montreal with no hard feelings - you will be welcome here. -- Marc-André Pelletier / Coren ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement

2015-08-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-08-31 03:01 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > I've come to the unpleasant realization that for my own good, I > need to step back and focus on healing, and then look around for new and > exciting opportunities. Godspeed, Philippe. I've known you for all of those six years, and I can tell you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-22 11:54 AM, Sydney Poore wrote: I fully support allowing our talented and dedicated WMF staff to have the opportunity to choose the people who guide the direction of the WMF. I'd like to add to this that the (pretty small) set of staffers that would not otherwise have had eligibility

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-17 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-17 05:13 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: The only goal of a brilliant person in the this area is to get rich with his own company. I d curious to hear how you handle such conflict of interest. I'm sorry - what? I have no abundance of love towards the US society or its government as a rule,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-09 04:52 PM, Lila Tretikov wrote: but it is also not for everyone as it can be isolating I think that, at the Foundation, we are blessed to have several opportunities a year to meet with our colleagues during events, and that things would be much more difficult as a distributed team if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality: since when has it had anything to do with price?

2015-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-01 01:06 PM, Jens Best wrote: I will take the time to explain you why [I believe] net neutrality is more than you suggest and why [I think] we need to be a little bit less starry-eyed [than I believe we are] when it comes to the reasons why telecoms are behaving sooo nice to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

2015-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-01 03:58 PM, Pierre-Selim wrote: This is only the beginning: next step is the measurement of cute pixels, encyclopedic pixels and amazing pixels. That metric is all wrong, because it presumes that all pixels are equally valuable. Surely, you should be also assigning weights to pixels

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-01 03:57 PM, Jens Best wrote: For me (and other students) going online wasn't cheap back in the 90s Perhaps the date is the issue here, but is this some attempt at humour? Wasn't cheap? Are you seriously comparing your student lifestyle with the socioeconomic reality of the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-03-19 08:19 AM, Fæ wrote: after that it started to become impossible to organize an editathon without first having an employee agreeing it That seems... wrong. For one, that experience may be WMUK's but it's certainly far from universal. WMCA organizes monthly editathons in Montréal,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 Strategy/Community consultation on the Wikipedia for children idea

2015-03-18 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-03-18 03:09 AM, Mathias Damour wrote: [from the Convention on the Rights of the Child] [...] this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds Interestingly enough, to me this reads /against/ the idea of a Wikipedia for Kids insofar as the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-02-25 09:37 AM, Edward Saperia wrote: if they hit their fundraising target [...] Your idea is provocative, and intriguing, but I think that - at least in this form - it is doomed to fail because it actually steps around what makes kickstarter-like crowdfunding work. (a) people put

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediameta-l] An alternative model for grant funding

2015-02-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-02-25 11:15 AM, Edward Saperia wrote: I'm not sure you've understood correctly. In my proposed system, people propose projects and these projects are advertised on the centralnotice banners. Ah, I indeed hadn't. My understanding was that you wanted to substitute for the grants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group

2015-01-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-01-09 09:26 AM, Richard Symonds wrote: I believe mailman allows people to be added without confirmation too! It does, our list admins are just too polite to do that to people. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2014-12-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 14-12-31 12:20 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 31 December 2014 at 17:18, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: How have you determined that this is not simply a bug or coding error, exactly? It is true that I'm assuming bad faith here entirely on the basis of the previous bad-faith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-09 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 14-12-09 08:45 AM, Jens Best wrote: when calling the usual and established understanding of net neutrality repeatedly absolutist. Except that it is. At its heart, net neutrality demands that there be no QoS or pricing difference to 'net access depending on the endpoint. That is,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Gendergap-I] Re: Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-06 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 14-12-06 04:44 AM, K. Peachey wrote: The view at 3200x1800http://i.imgur.com/IY28Tmp.png ... yes? Your point is? Clearly the banner was constructed to occupy the width of the window, and it's height will be proportional to that (taking into account font metrics). I'm no fan of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 11/30/2014 11:08 AM, MZMcBride wrote: I think it's difficult to argue that Wikipedia Zero is not, at least in the strictest sense, a violation of net neutrality. That's perfectly true, but because the traditional definition of net neutrality (and, by extension, the definition of what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/25/2014 03:38 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: (That's just me fantasizing; Parsoid people may have a different idea.) Parsoid, AFAIK, represents marked up articles as very strict HTML with Mediawiki-specific attributes - exactly what is needed to maintain a sane and consistent machine readable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters and GLAM tooling

2014-10-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/25/2014 01:50 PM, MZMcBride wrote: [...] that probably doesn't mean investing in Labs, exactly. Not if you want to have a long-term, substantive impact, in my opinion. I'd like to address that particular recurrent canard here, if I may. Things that reside in labs are empathically /not/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Audit - June 30, 2014

2014-10-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/15/2014 04:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: I suggest that you need a stricter definition to start with. It's also highly disputable that the Foundation would be justified in reducing the fiduciary care it must employ in its investment strategy for a set of ill-defined objectives that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-06 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/06/2014 11:29 PM, Risker wrote: John, please explain what your point is here. I mean really, picking on individual people who voted in the election? Risked, I don't think Jay had a point beyond answering the question Are there many staffers who vote that wouldn't otherwise have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/05/2014 08:24 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: I checked a few of the WMF admin staff who have been employed more than a year, and many dont look likely to reach the 300 threshold, even with wikitech and foundation wikis included. An interesting question, I think, is /whether/ anyone from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article has been Formally Peer Reviewed and Published

2014-10-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/03/2014 06:58 PM, Michael Peel wrote: It’s great to see that this article has been formally reviewed, although it is disappointing to see how short the author list for the formal article is here, given how many people have actually contributed to the article over the years. In the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article has been Formally Peer Reviewed and Published

2014-10-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 10/02/2014 07:24 PM, James Heilman wrote: Hope these sorts of efforts will improve the reputation of Wikipedia and the number of contributors. I guess we will see. Beyond this, and (IMO) even more importantly, it means that we are succeeding at our mission where it counts. That a Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/15/2014 09:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: All the problems you mentioned I consider solved since about 2006 on it.wiki, modernise your practices. ... isn't that what Flow is trying to do? -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/10/2014 11:45 AM, MF-Warburg wrote: What do you propose to make talk pages easier to read and analyse? That's a hard question, and I expect one where a lot of UX experimentation will need to take place before we know. But one thing /is/ known: it's going to be feasible iff the data is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/10/2014 11:53 AM, David Gerard wrote: Making entering text on a phone a process not made entirely of pain will be interesting. I don't think it's the text proper that's the issue so much as the navigation and (often) markup that uses a great deal of punctuation that phone interfaces were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/10/2014 01:25 PM, Diego Moya wrote: [...] that allow editors and admins to detect and combat vandalism and remove BLP sensible material and libel; features which are not available in Flow as of today. That is simply not true, at last as of the master branch. Topics and replies can be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/10/2014 01:41 PM, Diego Moya wrote: Take a look at this deleted topic at the test page that was deployed at en.wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic:S214uoczkp47cfsx As far as I can tell, you could see it because it never /was/ deleted. I just deleted it, can you still see it? I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/08/2014 12:46 AM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: While it may not be everybody's dream system, talk pages are quite usable, as demonstrated by a lot of people using them every single day. That's... not a demonstration of usability. Like many people, I found myself using some random blunt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/08/2014 10:18 AM, Risker wrote: The most obvious one is automatic signing of comments, and it is something that we have technically been able to impose for years; sinebot didn't come into existence in a vacuum. I suppose that's a philosophical divergence between us then - that sinebot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-07 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/07/2014 01:57 AM, Diego Moya wrote: a major property of a document-centric architecture that is lost in a structured one is that it's open-ended, which means that end users can build new features and flows on top of it, without the need to request the platform developers to build support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-06 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/06/2014 01:12 PM, Todd Allen wrote: But dismissing them by setting up a (rather ridiculous) straw man is not helpful. I *wish* it was a strawman. How else would you qualify: And sadly we have enough users around who try to contribute content without having time to go through the rite of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/05/2014 11:12 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 25.08.2014 06:07, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: FLOW? Last I checked, Flow isn't deployed except as experiments in a handful of places, and is still in active deployment. But you're correct that this would constitute a replacement rather than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/02/2014 02:52 AM, Yann Forget wrote: OK, I could buy that [fixing image pages]. But then why not fixing that *first*, so that any MV implementation coming afterwards would be smooth? In the best of worlds, that would have been ideal. Now, no doubt I'm going to be branded a cynic for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/02/2014 10:35 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: The key here in my opinion is: - clear communication about what state constitutes success (e.g. When 80% of people who have opted in have STAYED opted-in) - clear communication about the progress towards that state (e.g. Showing the success factor in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/02/2014 01:35 PM, pi zero wrote: (1) It's very easy to use. (2) it naturally promotes incremental learning. I'm sorry, but both of those assertions are not only wrong, but profoundly misguided. Wikimarkup, and templates, are /relatively/ easy to use for someone who has at least a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Warning, tl;dr rant below in which live my personal opinion. On 09/01/2014 08:00 AM, Craig Franklin wrote: fter the catastrophic aborted launch of the Visual Editor, complete with numerous bugs that should have been picked up in even a cursory unit testing scheme or regression testing scheme

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/01/2014 11:45 AM, Todd Allen wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: We've heard that before. Oh, I'm pretty damn sure that the stick to the timeline idea isn't going to get traction ever again. :-) But yeah in general recognizing an error

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/01/2014 12:57 PM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: The *correct* solution is to make MV bail completely on pages it fails to parse, falling back to the known bad-but-sufficient behaviour, and maybe adding a hidden category unparsable by MV to the image, so that it can be addressed. If 10% of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/24/2014 11:19 PM, Pine W wrote: I have heard people say don't force an interface change on me that I don't think is an improvement. I do not recall a recent interface change deployment that wasn't accompanied with, at the very least, some method of opting out. Did I miss one? -- Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/22/2014 01:54 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: is the conflict not only triggered by a deliverable which was not good enough? Part of the difficulty of that statement is that the very /definition/ of good enough will necessarily vary from individual to individual, with a non-zero segment of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/14/2014 02:36 PM, David Gerard wrote: So locally-editable site JavaScript, for locally-important gadgets and so forth, is in fact something that's needed. That seems reasonable, but it's less clear to me that this should be bundled with / part of the 'editinterface' right, at least as it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-13 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/13/2014 01:31 PM, Trillium Corsage wrote: [...] that he has affronted the community. I've spent no small amount of years involved in the various layers of administrative/governance/meta aspects of the English Wikipedia and from this I learned one lesson: Whenever someone says 'the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/16/2014 07:44 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: AFAIK deletion has never been a vote by policy on en.wiki. No, but it almost always devolves to a vote de facto. Interestingly enough, that particular question (did you close discussions by counting show of hand vs evaluating the rationales)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/14/2014 01:25 PM, Fæ wrote: Yes, some people may get scholarships to travel to Wikimania or other conferences, however my understanding is that this would be limited to those presenting. Scholarships are also made available to attendees, specifically to allow those who would not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community RfCs about MediaViewer

2014-07-10 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/10/2014 02:41 PM, David Gerard wrote: Anecdotally, (a) I don't mind the new viewer (b) I know a lot of people who've said they love it (c) I know a few who've said they hate it. That also matches my anecdotal impression, with perhaps the added apparent correlation between (c) and has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/03/2014 02:21 PM, John wrote: I'm in the process of working with Dispenser to get said proposal written and the ball rolling. However this process will take some time Said proposal from Dispenser/Betacommand has been posted at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/03/2014 07:12 AM, James Salsman wrote: Can someone please explain to me why the Foundation can't give User:Dispenser 24 TB on Tool Labs? To make matters a bit clearer, Dispenser's current Reflinks tool (and all his others) do not need 24T of storage (nor would toolserver have had that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 24 TB for User:Dispenser on Tool Labs please

2014-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/03/2014 07:03 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: Is Reftools FOSS? Is the source code available? If so, why isn't somebody else just migrating it to WMFlabs, and what can be done to help that happen? No, it is not, and Dispenser has explicitly stated that nobody was allowed to run it. In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila Regarding Access to Non-Public Information Policy

2014-06-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/29/2014 03:19 PM, Pine W wrote: If you or someone else can suggest reasonable ways to reach 90% confidence that identity documents are genuine and that identification information will not be compromised while in transit or while at WMF, then I think it makes sense to require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stop the New Privacy Policy until Lila is Thoroughly Briefed on It, Countdown 14 Hours

2014-06-06 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/06/2014 06:14 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: Regardless of the merits of the policy, which others have addressed, and with all due respect to Lila, her arrival has no bearing on this. And, unless I am mistaken, adoption of the policy was an act of the Board of Trustees who are, quite literally,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-06-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/04/2014 02:36 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: @labs Could you please provide a reference why labs can be misused? The problem with Zero-rating (all of) labs is that there is no constraint on the actual nature of the content that is provided there. While we /do/ have rules about what is and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 06/01/2014 07:13 AM, edward wrote: Which explains the gender bias, yes? At least in large part; Risker explained it more eloquently than I. There is a bias against women because the skillsets currently useful to be able to edit wikitext (programming, heavy markup languages) are more common in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/31/2014 08:27 PM, James Salsman wrote: Individual editors' skill with wikitext should be independent of almost all of the systemic biases from which we suffer [...] Seriously? I have (non-CS) engineer friends that, upon hitting that edit button, basically went Gak! No way! Wikitext

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 03:21 PM, Tilman Bayer wrote: *Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia* Yeay! Grats Zero team for yet another victory bringing Free knowledge to all people! -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 04:55 PM, rupert THURNER wrote: another sad day, wikimedia foundation as the vicarious servant of the telecom industry on its way destroying net neutrality. I would *really* like to hear your reasoning on this, given that there is absolutely nothing that prevents any telco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 05:24 PM, Jens Best wrote: A noble cause doesn't necessarily make breaking an important principle unproblematic. In my opinion, if the definition of the principle makes the obviously perverse conclusion that a beneficial thing like giving access to educational resources for free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 08:57 PM, James Salsman wrote: but it was misplaced because being able to figure out wikitext is an excellent attribute in new editors I think that statement fails on two aspects: for one, saying that the enthusiasm 'was misplaced' is rather premature as VE itself is rather

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/29/2014 09:25 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: If not, the Telcos are making a loss. Why? I should expect because they expect the goodwill they earn doing so will turn people into paying customers. Indeed, some of them have been rather explicit in their expectation that as their customers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/28/2014 08:59 AM, Fæ wrote: A curiosity that only manifested itself shortly after the public announcement of your employment by the Foundation board. In all fairness, Fæ, if my spouse had been hired as the leader of a very visible and significant business or nonprofit, I too would find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote: American Osteopathic Association I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the numerous faith-based 'medecine'? -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/27/2014 10:18 AM, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: From what I remember from it is that what is called Osteopathy in the UK isn't the same thing that's called Osteopathy in the US Ah, that explains it. :-) Regardless, Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia seems to be infinitely good advice,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Hello again, Wil. It's obvious that I'm not going to change your mind - nor is it my place to do so. But there /is/ one question of you that I would be remiss to not answer: On 05/23/2014 11:49 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: If they are exposing serious problems that desperately need fixing, then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/24/2014 11:13 AM, edward wrote: Also this complaint http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Gardner#Child_protection from a sitting arbitrator suggests the issue is a serious one. There are issues indeed about who is supposed to handle what aspect of the matter; with opinions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/24/2014 11:26 AM, edward wrote: You mean selectively quoting? I was not aware of misquoting you. I used your very words. Fair enough; I do enjoy the occasional semantic game now an then. I could make a cogent argument how selectively quoting sentence fragments is, necessarily,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/23/2014 07:06 PM, Wil Sinclair wrote: I participate on WO because I think every voice deserves to be heard. I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has held one of the most public position of authority on the English Wikipedia (the scare quotes are quite on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/21/2014 09:16 AM, Nathan wrote: Do WMF accounts still get the staff usergroup? Most accounts of staff and contractors do not get that usergroup: it is a very highly privileged group that includes pretty much every permission on every wiki, and access to it is on a strictly-needed basis.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/15/2014 05:12 PM, David Gerard wrote: Yeah, one of the first things to do is to talk to these partner organisations (because they are partner organisations) and ask what would actually be helpful, rather than helpy One thing that Erik has not mentionned (probably because it simply

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 07:43 AM, Fæ wrote: I find it disappointing that when difficult governance questions like this are raised in public, that some leading members of our community default to treating the concerned whistle-blower as a troll I think, Fæ, that you will find that it's not the subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 09:34 AM, Fæ wrote: I am sure than the viewpoint is different for employees within the WMF like yourself, compared to unpaid volunteers outside, like me. This may be part of the reason we see this governance failure in a different light. That's actually amusingly wrong, though I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 02:10 PM, Russavia wrote: Really, Marc? Really? Yes, Really. I can't recall having ever said that I never misbehave myself, nor that I ever reacted in anger before. Anyone who claims to is deluded or lying. With, perhaps, the pointed difference that this cannot be said to be my

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-03-31 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/31/2014 08:23 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: That seems niether all that surprising nor all that costly Oh, D'oh! Wrong conference! Ignore me, and move along. :-) -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our next strategy plan-Paid editing

2014-03-25 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/25/2014 07:45 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: If nothing else, the existing community quality rating system (i.e. FA, GA, etc.) should be used. That idea needs to be tempered with a strong caveat: at least for enwiki, those processes tend to be highly politized as they are already.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 1 week reminder: Wikimania 2014 – Call for Submissions

2014-03-24 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/23/2014 05:06 PM, James Forrester wrote: Note that a complete submission is required, including an abstract of 300 words or more that explains to the Programme Committee why you think your proposal should be accepted over others. I must admit that requirement gives me pause, James. I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
Russavia, First, I write here in my capacity as a volunteer and a member of the community you claim to speak on behalf of, clearly not as a staffer of the Foundation (not that engineering has anything to do with programs like this anyways). On 03/22/2014 09:00 AM, Russavia wrote: I understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-03-22 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/22/2014 02:45 PM, Russavia wrote: It's already been established that there is massive copyvio in there, and I think it is absolutely unacceptable for a copyvio to still be in this article under the circumstances. It's unacceptable under /any/ circumstances, but I don't see an obvious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feature suggestion] Be able to include/exclude certain page fragments based on the geographic area

2014-03-04 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/04/2014 10:50 PM, Yuri wrote: But it got rejected, and I am not sure I am clear why. I haven't opined on the specific bug, but I would also have rejected it. The reason why is simple: it goes exactly opposite everything the projects stand for. Our mission isn't collect all of the

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