Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian internet censorship

[Marco Fleckinger]

If you're big enough you might not have a problem in Russia.

But, BTW: How do we deal with such cases? If a country doesn't want 
specific content, are this sites blocked either by Wikimedia or a Big 
Firewall like in China.


Cheers

Marco

On 02/12/2013 04:11 PM, Виктория wrote:

There was an attempt to curtail access to Wikipedia in School N22 in Orel
in October - an assistant prosecutor put some Russian swear words into a
search engine on one of the schools' computers and - o dear! - discovered
that the Russian Wikipedia has an article about swear words citing them.

The provider got a demand to block access to the page. But AFAIK this is as
far as this particular story went; Wikipedia is too high profile to start a
war with it.

There is a Russian saying: "However strict Russia's laws may be, their full
power is reduced due to a lack of regular enforcement."
Victoria


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanterwrote:


On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 05:43:25 -0600, Samuel Klein wrote:


Russia seems to be experimenting with Internet blacklist and whitelist
programs.  Is ru:wp likely to be affected by this?


http://globalvoicesonline.org/**2013/02/03/russian-internet-**
censorship-imitates-satire/


https://www.accessnow.org/**blog/2013/02/08/russia-**
blacklists-site-hosting-blogs-**of-prominent-journalists


SJ

__**_
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org
Unsubscribe: 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l



To my understanding, this is unpredictable. The laws in the form they
passed the parliament make, in principle, some content in Wikipedia and on
Commons illegal. On the other hand, the laws are not reasonable, and will
be implemented occasionally. Whether Wikipedia is going to be affected is
probably determined by whether some zealous investigator will decide to
pursue the case. So far, they first warned websites and then blacklisted
them if no reaction was forthcoming, but this practice can change anytime.

Cheers
Yaroslav


__**_
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org
Unsubscribe: 
https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l


___
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l


___
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

[Marco Fleckinger]

Leslie Carr  schrieb:

>On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Marco Fleckinger
> wrote: 
 
>> Just an idea, which is not very beautiful: What about a router
>forwarding ports to the correct machine by using iptables? Would that
>also work in connection with search engines?
>
>Are you suggesting we use different nonstandard ports for each
>different wiki/language combo that resides on the same IP ?
>
Yes exactly!


___
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

[Marco Fleckinger]

Leslie Carr  schrieb:

>>
>> I wish that  http://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa and
>> https://208.80.154.225/wiki/Bosh_Sahifa would work, too, but the
>> foundation apparently can't or chooses not to afford separate IP
>> addresses for each language's Wikipedia.
>
>As one of the network folks, I will answer this.   We do not have
>enough public IP(v4)s for an address for each language in each
>project, and unless someone gives us a major donation of IPv4
>addresses (anyone have a spare /20 laying around?), I don't think we
>will be able to make this happen as we are frugal with our existing
>IPs and the allocating authorities (RIPE and ARIN) are being quite
>strict with their new IPv4 allocations.
>
>If you'd like to read more about IP allocation policies, here's a few
>links
>https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four3
>https://www.arin.net/resources/request/ipv4_depletion.html
>https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-553 (see section 5.6)
>
Just an idea, which is not very beautiful: What about a router forwarding ports 
to the correct machine by using iptables? Would that also work in connection 
with search engines?

Cheers

Marco

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] No access to the Uzbek Wikipedia in Uzbekistan

[Marco Fleckinger]

"Federico Leva (Nemo)"  schrieb:

>If, as I'd think, switching to HTTPS only is only a matter of a rather 
>simple configuration change (for a wiki like this that doesn't impact 
>load much), and has even a small chance to help in such an unfortunate 
>situation, then it should be done as soon as possible IMHO.
>
Apache allows virtual server config based on the used URL. Maybe one of 
Wikimedia's IP addresses could be used to show the Wikipedia in Uzbek? IMHO it 
is just a question of time, until https will also be redirected.

Is it also be possible, that this is a cracker's work and not that of the ISP?

Marco

___
Wikimedia-l mailing list
Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l