Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
As a quick/rough data point I don't frequently edit wikipedia anymore, and when I do I never log in. About 2/3 edits no further interactions happen. About 10% gets reverted, about 10% of the time I get a warning and the last 10% I get a welcome template. On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:52 Marshall

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-21 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 21, 2019, 07:43 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > Martin > > > > No, I'm saying that it's ridiculous to judge wikipedia on its policy that > > citing itself is disallowed. > > > > Perhaps, then, rather than telling us what it is that you don't agree with,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
uncover-wikipedias-missing-citation-needed-tags/ > -- > is that evidence of success? The thousands of articles in > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Unreferenced_BLPs -- is that > evidence of success? > > Thrapostibongles > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 1:44 PM Martijn Hoeks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-18 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
like > to believe that this is somehow silly or sophistry, is to look the facts in > the face and accept that some form of editorial policy, content workflow > management and supervision of the volunteer effort is necessary to make > Wikipedia what aspires to be, but is not current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Wikipedia itself can never be more reliable than the sources it cites. If it's allowed to cite itself, then there is no "bottom" to lean on, and its quality would quickly drop. That you conclude from that that wikipedia is unreliable and therefore failed is IMO such a silly proposition, that I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-16 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I disagree that Wikipedia not considering Wikipedia as an admissible source is indicative of Wikipedia being a failure. On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 14:18 Mister Thrapostibongles < thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > The discussion triggered by recent WMF T actions has tended to focus on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done) [citation needed] why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to > stop it. > > > Camelia > > > -- > *Camelia Boban* > > *| Java EE Developer |* > > *Affiliations Committee - **Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I would like to reserve the right to say "fuck arbcom", "fuck the WMF", or "fuck the admins", just like I deserve the right to say "fuck the police" or "fuck the judiciary system". Regardless whether you think so or not, I dont think that's within WMFs remit to police and enforce. On Wed, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Phillipe, Can you imagine a hypothetical situation where it would have been appropriate for this WMF office action to exist though - that is to say, not serious enough to ban a user from any other wiki than en. and serious enough to take direct action outside of the community? I sure can't, yet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata

2018-07-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I have no dog in this race, but facts are not eligible for copyright protection. On Wed, Jul 4, 2018, 17:11 Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:54 AM, Denny Vrandečić > wrote: > > > Gnom1 on Phabricator has offered to actually answer legal questions, but > we > > need to come up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I just re-read this whole thread (!) this morning and here are the themes of points raised that I'm seeing ... I'll add this to the talk of https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles too.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 4, 2014 2:46 PM, Jean-Frédéric jeanfrederic.w...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f 2014-12-03 18:06 GMT+00:00 Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com : 110% !!! We bleu our first goal. Christophe, whether you are posting out of love for this awesome

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:26 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I checked my inbox today to find a note from a friend asking if Wikipedia was okay. My reply was essentially Wikipedia is fine, if you want to donate, make an edit or two. I wonder how many Wikimedians are getting the same

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes: As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 3, 2014 12:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13: I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly coincidence with this one, that would help

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 26, 2014 11:21 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: Washington post article http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/11/25/wikipedias-complicated-relationship-with-net-neutrality/ sincerely, Kim This is obviously not the first time this comes up, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise somebody could get the awful idea to implement it. Having a side by side really time wikitext - display doesn't sound like an aweful idea at all to me. I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
.) בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 19:40, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com כתב: On Oct 25, 2014 6:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Thank goodness this wasn't written five years ago, otherwise somebody could get the awful idea to implement it. Having

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia needs an IDE, not a WYSIWYG editor

2014-10-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
, help improve them, and help people ease in to using them. Your wonton dismissiveness is worrysome to me. בתאריך 25 באוק 2014 20:51, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com כתב: On Oct 25, 2014 7:20 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Because, even though I'm well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-16 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Figuring out how Flow integrates with the watchlist and Echo is one of the toughest and most important parts of the project. I think that may be an overstatement. I'm not saying it isn't tough, but exploring in what ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-11 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thursday, September 11, 2014, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com javascript:; wrote: Tim, do you think that this list of all the useful stuff that talk pages can currently includes things that aren't being done because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sep 10, 2014 5:11 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: FWIW, I signed my first comment by hand. I missed the comments about sigs in the wikitext editor interface. If it weren't for my family situation,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
and positioning the cursor is a huge pain). This is not limited to talk pages by the way, but is identical for mainspace pages. A reply button that inserts an isolated comment at the correct indentation level would fix that. Am I overlooking stuff? On 10 September 2014 09:20, Martijn Hoekstra

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
to any software or rendering issues. On 10 September 2014 09:47, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 10, 2014 9:35 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi. When you look at talk pages in isolation, you look at them on a computer screen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 September 2014 07:54, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 8 September 2014 08:22, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: snip * potential to work with Notifications (tell me when anyone replies to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 September 2014 17:47, Martijn Hoekstra I think this is something of an oops, and not really something we should judge the product on. Currently the broken mess is notify on all posts on all threads on the page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Asap stands for as soon as possible. It is obvious that there I do not like the talk pages at all. That does not mean that it makes sense to replace them tomorrow. I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 September 2014 19:49, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote: The feature shouldn't be notify on all posts on the subscribed thread

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, snip Sincerely, Erik [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2003-July/011069.html [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=LiquidThreadsoldid=100760 [3]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sep 3, 2014 4:46 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi Martijn. Thanks for starting this thread. Martijn Hoekstra [roughly] wrote: * Catalog the problems with [dev issue]. Make a comprehensive list that enumerates the problems with [dev issue] we have now, categorise

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who wants to help with fixing them? I want to help fix them. Great to hear. Getting my ass in to gear is one of my greatest weaknesses, and from what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
that there are several people who are interested in talking templates. I'm getting my hands dirty with them on another project I'm working on. I don't mean to rush you; just tell me what to set up for this discussion and where, and I'll make sure it gets done. ,Wil On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Martijn

[Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who wants to help with fixing them? In the recent discussions/debacles about technical and stylistic advances, a recurring theme is that the use of some templates causes major headaches, and a commonly heard complaint from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 1:34 PM, pi zero wn.pi.z...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who wants to help with fixing them? Improving on templates

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: This reply is still my own personal views, and in no way represents anything official On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: If we have to resort to such magic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 31, 2014 11:46 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Just in terms of the amount of everyone's time that MediaViewer, Superprotect and related issues are absorbing, this situation is a net negative for the projects. Also, the amount of emotional hostility that this situation involves

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sep 1, 2014 5:10 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Warning, tl;dr rant below in which live my personal opinion. Thank you for that. A heartfelt rant feels a lot better than being told my call is important to you. (snip) The fundamental issue is that the WMF is attempting to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interest in a community strategic planning meeting?

2014-07-14 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi community members, I'm wondering how many people might be interested in having an IRC meeting regarding the community's relationship to WMF and potentially developing our own strategic plan that would be independent of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Court decision in Jones v. Dirty World Recording Entertainment LLC

2014-06-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jun 17, 2014 3:55 AM, Kevin Godfrey kevin.darkli...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 Jun 2014, at 4:17 am, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: On 16/06/2014 21:07, Newyorkbrad wrote: In its decision, the Sixth Circuit takes a broad view of Section 230 and holds that Section 230 protection is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia

2014-05-29 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi Marc, zero-rating a special service or a certain website on you mobile contract is a clever way to undermine net neutrality, even when it comes as such a noble service to give free knowledge to the people. Free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On May 28, 2014 7:09 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago: I may have misread which page the rev was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: What I think is funny about this whole article and this email thread is that the quality of Wikipedia is not brought into relation with anything else. For example, I know that one of the main causes of death in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
We are all interested in hearing all sides of every story here, aren't we? I'm starting to get the feeling that there are things that some people on this list don't want *anyone* to discuss. Which things, and which people are you aiming at, particularly? --Martijn After all, you could

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm most interested in: Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 05/27/2014 09:44 AM, Stevie Benton wrote: American Osteopathic Association I'm not an expert on the latest woo-woo, but isn't Osteopathy one of the numerous faith-based 'medecine'? -- Marc That issue was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 May 2014 15:22, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Ah, that explains it. :-) Regardless, Don't diagnose yourself with Wikipedia seems to be infinitely good advice, regardless of any hyperbole about article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: This is really helpful. To clarify: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? How many of those policies are marked as Proposed? Are the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Then stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of this mailing list. -- geni Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to Criticize with Kindness

2014-05-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: On 14 May 2014 14:26, Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote: How to compose a successful critical commentary [...] That strikes me as very long winded, and so not conducive to a succinct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Howdy from Wil

2014-05-05 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'm Wil Sinclair, Lila Tretikov's significant other. I've always wanted a good excuse to get involved in the Wikipedia project and the Wikipedia community. Lila's appointment would be about as good as it gets. :) Conflict of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, I'd be interested in hearing broader community opinions about the extent to which WMF should sponsor non-profits purely to support work that Wikimedia benefits from, even if it's not directed towards a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding of decentralized organizational structure

2014-04-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
confusing? I have no answers to any of these questions, but I'm happy it's on the agenda. --Martijn Hoekstra Ting Chen skrev 2014-04-10 13:23: Hello dear all, now the second mail ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF FDC Proposal: we invite your participation

2014-04-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:46 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Pete Forsyth wrote: ... there are very good reasons to be cautious about how much and what kind of advocacy the Wikimedia Foundation engages in, but by and large, the reasons are not *legal* ones. They're related

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fuck the community, who cares

2014-04-07 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
no real Scotsman. --Martijn Hoekstra What a shameful comment, Chris. Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
question to me is unchanged, and unanswered: looking at the mistakes made, why did they happen, and once we find out that why, can we eliminate it? --Martijn Hoekstra ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on search for the WMF Executive Director

2014-03-24 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 1:56 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Steve Zhang wrote: It probably means nothing, but the other day I noticed that the Executive Director post had been removed from the Job Openings page on the WMF wiki and was curious. Has there been an update on the search

Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

2014-03-17 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
is spending too much money and effort in copyright lobbying? If this is actually a serious proposal of something you would like to see happen, it's probably a good idea to drop it. Nobody seems to support it. --Martijn Hoekstra ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED

2014-02-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I understand your reasoning, but we already have an extremely difficult time finding a suitable candidate. While such community vetting would definitely weed out the people we don't want, it will also slim down the pool we do want, which currently sits around a cool 0. I don't think we can afford

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My choice for ED

2014-02-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Rory is the Legal mascot, and is indeed a tiger (though some say it is stuffed, I wouldn't bank on it). See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rory and http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors under legal On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMIL Board members withdraw from international activities

2014-02-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: Hi Nathan, Allow me to correct - WMIL is not withdrawing from international activities. For example, WMIL will probably going to be one of the leading chapters supporting WLE, and many others international projects with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-12 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 13, 2014 7:25 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Steven Walling wrote: With my product manager for Growth hat on... Like Kaldari said we can't give people who aren't logged in Echo notifications at the moment. The only alternative is to post to the IP talk page. This would require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-20 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Nov 20, 2013 1:13 PM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, let's keep on pushing for policies that drive away editors! I'm not sure exactly what kind of policy you are getting at here. Could you elaborate a little? On Nov 20, 2013 2:10 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours for VisualEditor

2013-10-31 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Oct 31, 2013 2:11 AM, Steve Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote: I have to say, I'm amazed such a long discussion has occured over a question about the time for an office hours sessions. I'm amazed nobody has brought up leap seconds yet, which make 23:59:59 roll over to 23:59:60 and would steal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia

2013-09-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects? Yes, I participate in Stackoverflow mainly Do people here still really think voting is a bad thing and wiki is the easiest way to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Stack Exchange vs. Wikimedia

2013-09-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Jan Kučera, 23/09/2013 18:20: Hi there, is anyone out here participating in any of the Stack Exchange projects?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-27 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: 2013/8/27 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Denny Vrandečić, 27/08/2013 11:39: That's like saying printing out an article of Wikipedia and giving it to a student is a violation of net

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, JP Béland lebo.bel...@gmail.com wrote: And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-21 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 21, 2013 8:56 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: The account and/or underlying IP is blocked. That is the technical

[Wikimedia-l] Block evasion might be a federal offense

2013-08-19 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
http://feedly.com/k/14WeLcY I wish I was grossly misrepresenting the situation here. If I am, please do set me straight. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )

2013-08-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I always believed that our servers where monitored 24/7? But nobody seems to be arround to fix a core part in our systems? Huib -- Forwarded message -- From: rupert THURNER

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM, Richard Farmbrough rich...@farmbrough.co.uk wrote: Apparently important. I am aware, as probably everyone is, that this is the first most obvious step to make article editing more accessible, and address certain inclusiveness goals. I am also aware that there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Op 2013/08/05 23:44, MZMcBride schreef: This leaves us to consider the biggest question: opt-in vs. opt-out. Erik and James are both quite smart, they are true Wikimedians, and they make reasonable points

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Op 2013/08/06 7:55, Martijn Hoekstra schreef: On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com wrote: Their argument for 'opt-out' is based solely upon the quality

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 30, 2013 3:49 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 07/29/2013 07:00 PM, David Gerard wrote: Are there any wikitext constructions that are actually going to be deprecated? I'm not privy to the architecture decisions, but I'm pretty sure that the absolute worst

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 30, 2013 4:58 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 07/29/2013 10:02 PM, Rschen7754 wrote: If I'm reading this right, it *would* cause massive problems on the English Wikipedia Oh, it *would* if the syntax was just disabled outright! Now, if it were me that was in charge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
such a bad thing? - Original Message - From: Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**orgwikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: snip 4. Block the creation of new templates with deprecated syntax. Also block saving templates that were free of deprecated syntax

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
I made my points on this thread and list to a sufficient level, and will try to sit back and read what the people who really know what they are talking about have to say about it. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 30, 2013 4:58 AM, Marc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 July 2013 09:06, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: 6. Announce a date from where on saving a page with a transcluded legacy template will be blocked. Expect public outcry. An important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Progress...

2013-07-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: As with other inventions that produced an inferior product at a much lower price, from the printing press to the steam-driven loom to Wikipedia, what happens now is largely in the hands of the people experimenting with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-07-25 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 24, 2013 9:57 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: Should that even be a concern? I mean, if lots of newbies and technophobes start using the Visual Editor and a bunch of us dorks who love writing markup

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

2013-07-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jul 10, 2013 8:59 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 July 2013 07:51, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: It is easiest to analyze if the work has never been published. Distributing it then is a taking of intellectual property regardless of whether the original is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking of HTTPS connection by China

2013-06-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote: We have had contact with the authors of the blog and they have said they will publish our response to their article, though I'm not sure when or in what format. This is the content of our response: The Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will

2013-06-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jun 3, 2013 2:17 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: Cynics, skip this message! http://www.sassafrassmusic.com/songs/sci-fi-fantasy-fandom/somebody-will/ I came across this sentimental song about a world of encouragement and productivity, in which everyone is encouraged

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-08 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 9, 2013 1:07 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 03:51:42PM -0800, George Herbert wrote: Along the lines of noneuclidian geometry... What if we experiment (at least conceptually) with inverting that instruction? Encourage people to write on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
This thread may have started weird, but it seems to be going in a very good direction: we're all very concerned about editor retention, we all see problem areas we agree on, and we are all grasping at new ideas that seem more or less like straws. This is bad news, but it has to remain on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-04 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 5, 2013 12:51 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 January 2013 17:56, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: 1a. Do *not* pick a source that you have a particularly close personal or emotional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices)

2013-01-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Jan 3, 2013 11:01 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 3 January 2013 06:38, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: You don't need big data to see what needs to be done. It might help; often it is surprising how statistical analysis can help narrow the focus of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FreeBSD fate and the lesson for Wikimedia movement

2012-12-10 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Dec 10, 2012 3:03 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: The news from today is that FreeBSD didn't succeed to gather enough money during their annual fundraising [1][2]. Badass suggestion would be that they should ask now Apple for funds. But, I'll try to keep chortle for myself and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant, obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number is coming from? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-23 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Jussi, I'm not finding the post you are replying too, what's the context here? On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 3:29 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: The core problem here is that the Board is not alive and well. The Board of Trustees is dead in their shoes. What precisely are they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people that they have been check-usered 2 months after the fact? By that time I hope all investigations are complete, and is the risk of tipping off the nefarious should be over. 2.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty sdaughe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:52 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Two points that might help bring people on different sides of the issue closer together. 1. How about notifying people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CheckUser openness

2012-06-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Nathan, For a moment, let's suppose that there is a global policy that all CU checks must be disclosed to the person being checked, with the information disclosed in private email, and only consisting of the date

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia events: staging area?

2012-04-19 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
If we can't manage to set this up on-project because of rules, we collectively fail Wiki 101 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Kevin Gorman kgor...@gmail.com wrote: If we don't want to develop an internal solution, it would be pretty simple to set up a private flickr album and email it out to