Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brazil

2017-12-02 Thread Milos Rancic
opinion. On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > Chico, Rodrigo and I had a very good meeting today. It lasted one hour > and half, we were talking about various topics (via Google Hangouts) > they care of and we've reached the agreement about th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Beta Wikiversity

2017-05-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > Pretty please, let's not even mention Multilngual Wikisource here. There is > no plan to close it and it's not related to this discussion at all. > > This discussion is only about Beta Wikiversity. True. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Closure of Beta Wikiversity

2017-05-16 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Thanks for the pointer. On the proposal page, I'm missing a somewhat clear > and straightforward summary of the arguments in favor and against closing > (why is the request made, and what was considered). That seems

[Wikimedia-l] Closure of Beta Wikiversity

2017-05-16 Thread Milos Rancic
There is the proposal for moving Beta Wikiversity into the Incubator [1]. According to the Closing project policy [2], the decision about closing projects is something done by particular members of the Language committee (while the Board could veto the decision). However, this is an unusual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed projects

2017-05-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:29 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Wikigames is not educational so not within scope. There are many educational games in the wild. They could also make us less boring. -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

[Wikimedia-l] Very good news!

2017-02-18 Thread Milos Rancic
This is an extraordinary news for us! For almost 10 years I was hoping to see that and, finally, I've seen it! In short, it seems that we reached the bottom in participation in 2014 and that we are now slowly going upwards. My claim is based on the analysis [1] of the Eric Zachte's participation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

2017-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Anna, you are talking about a decade old problems, which are not yet addressed. There are two exceptions: (1) Board largely stopped making shame transfer statements; and (2) For the last couple of years, every interaction with the staff has given impression to me that I deal with competent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of > four of them are outside U.S. No images/files backup outside of US. -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ray Saintonge has died

2016-09-13 Thread Milos Rancic
And just to add that his username page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eclecticology On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: > this is really sad news :( > > dj > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.

[Wikimedia-l] Ray Saintonge has died

2016-09-13 Thread Milos Rancic
He died yesterday. As he was an important member of our community, I think we should make something appropriate so he would be remembered. -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
My last mail for today, so Anne, just to say that I really appreciate what you've done, but I'll comment in a bit more detail tomorrow. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > I'll leave the "defensive" bit aside, and just reiterate that I *still* do > not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On the rest: being defensive is not useful; being constructive is. >> > > I don't see anything in t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > (Are "the lower classes" from Serbia represented in Wikimania?) While I could complain about a number things to WMRS, this is an obvious exception. Two of three Wikimedians funded by WMRS actually belong to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: > I suggest that we just drop the Trump tangent from the discussion, as > it is a distraction. I am sure the politically correct word for that population would be eventually found and I definitely support the usage of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Risker wrote: > Milos, I read the points you are making in your initial post, and I cannot > tell what actions you are seeking. I am not even really clear on what the > problem is that you are "reporting". The best I can make of it is that

[Wikimedia-l] On Trump supporters (was: Our problem with India)

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
ge- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf > Of Milos Rancic > Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2016 1:28 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India > > On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic&q

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: > I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works very > well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a controlled way > and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
And it seems I need one more note: The last sentence was satirical. On Jun 28, 2016 13:27, "Milos Rancic" <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > (Hint for American > > Wikimedian

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jun 28, 2016 09:58, "Milos Rancic" <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > > (Hint for American > Wikimedians: Trump supporters are your next target for positive > discrimination.) It seems I have to clarify this sentence. I didn't say Trump, I didn't say Cruz, I didn't say C

[Wikimedia-l] Our problem with India

2016-06-28 Thread Milos Rancic
Whenever a serious problem raises and after years of hesitation I finally realize that I have to speak about it publicly, I have a drive to drink some rakija, feel good and forget all of the stress the new issue would give to me. But this is very important and we have to start talking about it.

[Wikimedia-l] Structuring revolution

2016-02-29 Thread Milos Rancic
I created the set of pages, starting with [1]. That's the place for structuring our ideas, thoughts etc. I decomposed the thread "What it means to be a high-tech organization" and I needed for the whole task ~5 hours. On the talk page [2] you can find the manual how to help. [1]

[Wikimedia-l] Responsibility during the revolutionary times

2016-02-28 Thread Milos Rancic
I see that the discussion on this list exploded and I am very happy to see that. Now we need to capitalize on this enormous engagement by all of us and make the real changes. We need the leadership. WMF staff proved to be much more potent than dysfunctional Board. So, please, talk to each other,

[Wikimedia-l] The right time is now!

2016-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
I stopped responding to other emails because the significance of this moment is so large, that we have now we didn't have since the beginnings of Wikipedia. We've got the chance to rebuild the movement. I don't want to talk about the past, I don't want to write about what I think about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > First, my ideas to reform the Board are not incompatible with a > "senate-like" idea. > > Second, I think that I see at least several reasons why a Senate for > WIkimedia movement may not be the best way to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: >> responsible for spreading that. What I can't understand is the fact >> that I don't see that too much (s)elected Board members have integrity >> above Jimmy's rumors threshold. > > You are not very clear here Milos.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition plans for WMF leadership - Board Reform

2016-02-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Denny Vrandecic wrote: > - the Board members have duties of care and loyalty to the Foundation - not > to the movement. If there is a decision to be made where there is a > conflict between the Movement or one of the Communities with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
at 6:44 PM Yaroslav M. Blanter <pute...@mccme.ru> >> wrote: >> >> > On 2016-02-24 18:39, Milos Rancic wrote: >> > > 8 (eight) hours have passed without any email. Am I the last >> > > Wikimedian not abducted by aliens? >> > >> >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > No, there are other lists which are active. For example, the last message on > the wikidata-l by Lydia was several minutes ago. > > (May be she is abducted by the aliens though, I do not know). Good to know that I am

[Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Milos Rancic
8 (eight) hours have passed without any email. Am I the last Wikimedian not abducted by aliens? -- Milos ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:43 AM, SarahSV wrote: > This isn't about how much people know. It's obvious that the KE was just a > flashpoint. It's about how to move forward without further casualties. I > don't believe that that isn't possible. From the point of person who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:49 AM, Denny Vrandecic wrote: > Whereas I do not agree with everything you say (but I think those are > discussions for another time), I wholeheartedly agree with your insight > that the Board as a whole is dumber than its member on average.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Technical issues of Wikimedia [was: Particular interests and common ground]

2016-02-20 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 3:02 AM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote: > You talked about things that I'm in no place to comment but I want to > emphasize on this part of your email: > "For the last 8 years, just two things have been working without > problems in WMF: Money and tech

[Wikimedia-l] Particular interests and common ground (was: An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT)

2016-02-19 Thread Milos Rancic
I woke up this morning, read emails and felt quite frustrated. I wanted to write something on Delphine's line, but that Ark B distracted me enough to make myself content with one more satirical allegory. So, thank you very much, Delphine, for writing this and opening much more important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the Board's HR Committee doing to stem the tide of staff resignations?

2016-02-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 9:38 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak >> We have started with an engagement survey, and organizational facilitator >> analysis. More and more current input can be provided by Patricio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 11:37 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > that is a perfectly fine opinion to hold, thanks for sharing. However, the > WMF should, in my opinion, only make political statements like severing > ties with an organisation that offers something that is useful to

[Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Milos Rancic
Is WMF or any other Wikimedia organization still engaged with them? If so, what's the plan to drop that toxic connection and support Sci-Hub, LibGen and similar projects? EFF did that two months ago [1]. [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > As much as I'd **love** to see that, > I think it would be a very bold step from the WMF, > supporting a heroic BUT illegal operation as Sci-Hub, against a despicable > BUT legal operation like Elsevier. > If the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Anyone can use Sci-Hub. Officially you cannot, legally you should not. The > WMF makes it possible for those who want to use Elsevier. > > No problem; anyone can use Sci-Hub. Move on. Dear Gerard, You are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Elsevier?

2016-02-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Vituzzu wrote: > Matter of fact we take informations from a closed system putting them into > the greater open World. So, imho, we should use even the most closed > sources. Wikipedia editors could use Sci-Hub instead of Elsevier. So,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > I found this the most interesting part of the recent IdeaLab discussion > about changing the Wikimania framework. > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Towards_a_New_Wikimania > > "*The total spend by WMF for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia recognized as OpenStreetMap chapter

2016-01-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Laurentius wrote: > after a long process, today Wikimedia Italia has been officially > recognized as the Italian OpenStreetMap chapter! This is great and shows the uniqueness and general value of the Wikimedia movement! It shows that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Another mistake. A lot has happened over the past few weeks. The community > should have been given a voice, in light of vast changes in circumstances > since last May. > > María, too, might have felt better about joining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in the Board

2016-01-27 Thread Milos Rancic
Thank you, Arnnon! On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Patricio Lorente wrote: > Dear All, > > Throughout the discussion about the appointment of Arnnon Geshuri to the > Board of Trustees, the Board has carefully listened to you and discussed > internally. Earlier today,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Board

2016-01-26 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Alice Wiegand wrote: > the Board has read your messages and is discussing the concerns you have > raised about Arnnon Geshuri’s appointment. We need to consider all > information and we have conversations among ourselves. Arnnon and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 5:34 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > I assume many have muted or are ignoring the "thankspam" thread, but it has > changed topic rather meaningfully, and I think it deserves broader > attention. I see now why Discourse is a problem... I wanted to install

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Piloting a Discourse installation for discussion (was: Better thankspam)

2016-01-23 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Erik Bernhardson wrote: > FWIW, there is a docker role in wikimedia puppet and it's already used as > part of the labs infrastructure. Not sure how well tested it is yet, but > it's there. In this case I see a kind of solution: *

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-15 Thread Milos Rancic
So, what do we need to start using it? An installation on Wikimedia servers? On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > If I'm not mistaken, we recently discussed about this. I'd love using > Discourse myself... > > Aubrey > Il 15/gen/2016 06:08 "Alice

[Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board and Board-appointed seats (was: Beyond the Board)

2016-01-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > I've been also thinking about revitalizing our Advisory Board - the way I > would like to see it would be dividing it into (a) community (b) tech and > (c) academic subgroups, available for immediate consulting and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter >> My impression is therefore that some sort of a preparatory work is needed >> to avoid these two traps. Ideally, there would be a drafting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-12 Thread Milos Rancic
Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to make community assembly have been published by Pharos: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_Council_Compact I want to give a small background

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-10 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > I can, however, generally add that we have not collected any nominations > from our donors, if this helps. I can confirm this, as I am sure nothing has changed since NomCom existence in relation to this issue, except

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 9:48 AM, geni <geni...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 January 2016 at 02:07, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On top of that, unlike Sue, Lila is a geek. And geeks have troubles in >> understanding the social impact of their

[Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-09 Thread Milos Rancic
Forking the issue of Board composition. We tend to think of Board as the governing body of the movement, not just WMF. Board members tend to think of themselves as the governing body of WMF, with shiny cool movement supporting it. We tend to discuss of community representation, they tend to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-09 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 12:02 AM, SarahSV wrote: > Do we know who suggested > Arnnon Geshuri > for a board seat? Spoiler: As "trust and honesty" are highly valued, his name likely appeared inside of a list "we compiled in the past". -- Milos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Pine W wrote: >> Dariusz, you said in your statement that was published in the Wikimedia >> Blog that WMF "considered dozens of candidates from all over the world,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:43 AM, Nathan wrote: > I hope some day someone will be bold enough to tell the rest of us what > this is all really about. I'm sure I'm not alone (though perhaps in the > minority!) in not having inside staff contacts to provide the straight > dope. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please sign your posts

2016-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:21 AM, billinghurst wrote: > To those who have fallen out of the habit of signing your posts, > please fall back into the habit of good netiquette. For those of us > who read the digest mode it is troublesome to have unsigned posts, and > then

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please sign your posts

2016-01-08 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:32 AM, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:21 AM, billinghurst <billinghurstw...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> To those who have fallen out of the habit of signing your posts, >> please fall back into the habit of go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Something

2016-01-07 Thread Milos Rancic
that at least in one case it turned out that fears had no basis in reality. But I was a bit surprised that I was the best informed person inside of the triangle. On Jan 3, 2016 09:41, "Milos Rancic" <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > We should start talking about Something. > > Somet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Something

2016-01-03 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jan 3, 2016 09:56, "John Mark Vandenberg" wrote: > > Something is covered in NDAs. I heard quite general notes, that they couldn't be inside of NDAs. And they weren't personal, but related to the WMF and WMF leading position inside of the movement.

[Wikimedia-l] Something

2016-01-03 Thread Milos Rancic
We should start talking about Something. Something is the raising issue of our movement. Its properties are not yet known, but all of us feel the consequences of Something. To tackle the problem, we should define it, first. Yes, we know it's called Something, but besides the name, we know just a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Basics

2016-01-02 Thread Milos Rancic
ar to you! > > > > I thought your mail to the list was very thoughtful. > > I've replied inline below. > > > > On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 06:50:16AM +0100, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > I don't think the pure form of net-neutrality is sustainable. Many > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-02 Thread Milos Rancic
This event puzzled me a lot, as I suppose it puzzles all of Wikimedians who don't know what was happening inside of the Board last couple of months. On one side, although I am not active English Wikipedian, it's obvious to me that James' integrity is on the mythical level. On the other side, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2016-01-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Greg Grossmeier wrote: > >> Then he tells to some of them: "This is going to happen. As you don't >> want that to happen, you should try to make pressure on Board members. >> I suggest you to do that in this way." I have to say that I did that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Basics

2015-12-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 2:02 AM, Marcin Cieslak wrote: > You might want to check out some discussions surrounding the Wikimedia Zero > initiative. From my perspective, there is significant difference between Wikipedia Zero (along with similar, free of charge services) and Free

[Wikimedia-l] Free Basics

2015-12-30 Thread Milos Rancic
Today I've learned about it. And I think WMF is the perfect prey for such initiative. I hope nobody sane is taking that seriously. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Board of Trustees

2015-12-28 Thread Milos Rancic
This is not good. I suppose Board will give us an explanation of what happened, so we could discuss it here. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Dr James, thank you for your work in Wikimedia governance (and for that > matter, management so far.) I really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-12-11 Thread Milos Rancic
Brane died today. He read your messages and it mattered to him. I am content as we sent him the message while he was alive and able to feel it. Thanks to all of you who made him feel better during the last days of his life. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-10 Thread Milos Rancic
First of all, it's obvious that the part of our movement already suffers from the "old grey man" illusion, although the most of us are not old nor grey. That's typical modernist paradigm, which brought many achievements to our civilization, but also removed decision-making power from the majority

[Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-08 Thread Milos Rancic
We are. It's not about particular thread on this list, it's about our existence. Initially I thought it's because the level of our responsibility, but eventually I've realized we are simply boring and nobody bothers about that. Our meetings and conferences look like the meetings of a regional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-hub

2015-12-01 Thread Milos Rancic
hese two projects could have a huge impact on open access and in > general for our mission, but they rely on the good will and free time of > few individuals, and have done for years now. > > Aubrey > Il 01/dic/2015 03:54 "John Mark Vandenberg" <jay...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >

[Wikimedia-l] In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-hub

2015-11-30 Thread Milos Rancic
May we actually stop having anything with these pest? http://custodians.online/ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-11-21 Thread Milos Rancic
At some point of time, the best you could do is to reach for a superstition and hope it will work. It doesn't matter how it will be explained after, but at this point of time, it's only that superstition which matters. My particular superstition is that Brane would be able to see his eulogy and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-11-21 Thread Milos Rancic
, Milos Rancic <mill...@gmail.com> wrote: > At some point of time, the best you could do is to reach for a > superstition and hope it will work. It doesn't matter how it will be > explained after, but at this point of time, it's only that > superstition which matters. > > My

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-20 Thread Milos Rancic
Offtopic: Gerard, during the last half an hour or so, I am just getting emails from you inside of this thread (including wiki-research list). I thought my phone has a bug. It's useful to write a larger email with addressing all the issues. Besides other things, with this frequency, you'll spend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paris

2015-11-14 Thread Milos Rancic
chrane Collaboration >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Alex Cella <ace...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> All the staff is safe, I'm in touch with them. >> >>> >> >>> Thnaks for ask

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paris

2015-11-14 Thread Milos Rancic
>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> *Alex Cella* > >>> Finance Fellow > >>> ace...@wikimedia.org > >>> LinkedIn <http://fr.linkedin.com/in/alexcella> > >>> > >>> Wikimedia Foundation > >

[Wikimedia-l] Paris

2015-11-13 Thread Milos Rancic
May WMFR coordinate efforts to inform us if all Wikimedians from Paris are live and well? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Wikimedia-l] Dictator

2015-10-27 Thread Milos Rancic
No, it's not about Jimmy :P It's about the software for parsing dictionaries. And we are presently inside of not so stable phase of switching from the name "dictator" to "dicteator" (etymology is "dictionary creator"). One of my strategic goals in relation to the movement itself is to create

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiktionary-l] Dictator

2015-10-27 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Sam Klein wrote: > ...and the helper tool for naming new concepts is Benevocent? Good addition! We are creating a Django-based web interface for dictionaries, which we named "d'spot", which is shortened "despot" :)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014-15 Wikimedia Fundraising Report

2015-10-05 Thread Milos Rancic
Pavel, is everything alright with you? :P On Oct 5, 2015 10:18 PM, "Pavel Richter" wrote: > aalalaaa)4915119645755lalaasalllAalXaalallalallaa@)larval c a fax > a > l a A ads alaLALAAALALALA > > Ala freundlichen Grüßen / Kind km A ha l laalaaAa) AXA a regards a l all

[Wikimedia-l] California draught and WMF

2015-09-15 Thread Milos Rancic
For the last few years I am thinking about this issue, and as I didn't see anybody talking about that, I think we should start a kind of low level discussion, as it doesn't require immediate action. From what I read, Bay Area is not particularly endangered (although it could be in the future).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cebuano and Waray-waray Wikipedias among Top 10

2015-07-06 Thread Milos Rancic
I would consider this discussion as a sensible one if you are editors of Cebuano and Waray-Waray Wikipedias, oppose the idea of creating bot-generated articles and have better plan how to increase quality and quantity of those projects. Optionally, you are always free to offer your help to those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: And either I missed it, or nobody mentioned it yet, but ahem ahem ahem ContentTranslation. It is already helping Wikipedias in minorized languages to create a lot of meaningful articles more easily, and with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: One more lame mistake: It's not about countries, but about languages. Thus: немачки, njemački, њемачки, njemački, Khm... немачки, nemački, њемачки, njemački, ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-14 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:35 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Just a short note here... The complexity of the task, which I think I comprehend, is so significant, that I made the lamest mistake from my own perspective. Please note that the page Names of Wikimedia languages [1] assumes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-13 Thread Milos Rancic
existing) metric of active-editors-per-million-speakers is, it seems to me, a far more robust metric. Erik Z.'s stats.wikimedia.org is offering that metric. A. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: When you get data, at some point of time you start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-13 Thread Milos Rancic
existing) metric of active-editors-per-million-speakers is, it seems to me, a far more robust metric. Erik Z.'s stats.wikimedia.org is offering that metric. A. On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: When you get data, at some point of time you start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Languages] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-12 Thread Milos Rancic
(Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Milos Rancic, 08/06/2015 00:23: And I suppose somebody with statistical knowledge would be able to give us the number which would have meaning ability to create Wikipedia article. Why not use the human development index (HDI) as factor? Also, instead

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global North/South

2015-06-11 Thread Milos Rancic
I think the reason is more than obvious: Belarus is south of Moldova and Ukraine is in between, so it went south. As Russia is basically on the east of all of three countries, it's logical to put it among the northern countries. On Jun 11, 2015 9:59 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Global North/South

2015-06-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Jun 11, 2015 10:06 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 2015-06-11 22:03, Milos Rancic wrote: I think the reason is more than obvious: Belarus is south of Moldova and Ukraine is in between, so it went south. As Russia is basically on the east of all of three countries, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: # We use S/N/O for many other kinds of votes, including FDC, steward, Arbitration Committee, and featured content votes. I have not heard disagreement with it until now, which suggests that generally there is consensus for this

[Wikimedia-l] Community Assembly

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
I suppose that nobody commented my idea about the Assembly because of two main reasons: it's a different paradigm, as well as it doesn't seem realistic. The cure for different paradigm acceptance is repeating it until it becomes familiar :P But, of course, much more important reason is the fact

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Assembly

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: I do not think community assembly as a replacement for the Board would work. A body of 10 people and a body of say 50 people are different bodies and they should have different functions. I didn't say that CA should

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia article per speaker

2015-06-07 Thread Milos Rancic
When you get data, at some point of time you start thinking about quite fringe comparisons. But that could actually give some useful conclusions, like this time it did [1]. We did the next: * Used the number of primary speakers from Ethnologue. (Erik Zachte is using approximate number of primary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 10:13 PM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the funny thing with current system is that if people had voted in most rational way - i.e. to maximize the impact of their votes - the results would have been negative for all candidates - as this year none of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:26 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: The result could also be interpreted as a thundering success for the voting method being used. Just to be clear: I think you (Election committee) did very good job. Inside of the stable circumstances, like they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm happy with S/N/O and with the election winners, but concerned about the diversity of the Board. I wonder if rethinking the entire board structure is in order, for example we could have: 1. One seat per continent, elected by

[Wikimedia-l] Developing new language editions of Wikipedia

2015-06-05 Thread Milos Rancic
I've created the draft for our future approach in building new Wikipedia (and other Wikimedia projects) editions: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Developing_new_language_editions_of_Wikipedia Feel free to contribute to it :) * * * {{draft}} The aim of this page is to help creation of new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Results of 2015 WMF Board elections

2015-06-05 Thread Milos Rancic
That's quite a surprise! I am really happy to see the substantial changes! Congratulations! On Jun 6, 2015 01:14, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, The certified results of the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election are now available on Meta-Wiki:

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