[Wikimedia-l] Re: Welcoming the new Wikimedia Foundation CEO

2021-09-15 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Welcome to the wikimedia movement Maryana ! 

Thank you for your statement making the issues of diversity a strong and 
central point of your endeavour. 

You wrote « I will of course first ask you what you think: about our vision, 
mission, impact, strategy, how we relate to the rest of the world, as well as 
our current and future ways of working and achieving our aspirations. « 

These questions are interesting, as a wikipedian  what matters to me most is to 
ensure that any person can contribute safely to our projects, whatever their 
age, origin, gender identity, religion and language, and that people in the 
movement make a significant effort recognizing and stopping harassement and 
microaggressions affecting minorities (which includes women in our movement 
because there are so few).

There can be no « knowledge belongs to all » without « knowledge can be built 
by all in our movement », and so we need a strict enforcement of the UCOC. As 
has been shown in the open source and free software community there is nothing 
worse than a code of conduct which is not applied because it sends a wrong and 
ambiguous message. If people belonging to minorities face micro aggressions, « 
capture » , osctracisation and rejection by prominent and influent members of 
the OSS community, there can be no free knowledge for all. 

These are my two cents, welcome to our wikimedian communities which are so rich 
and diverse !

Warm regards, 

Nattes à chat, les sans pagEs (francophone Wikipedia)








> Le 15 sept. 2021 à 07:16, Ivan Martínez  a écrit :
> 
> Welcome on board Maryana!
> All the best,
> 
> El mar, 14 sept 2021 a las 17:43, Camelia Boban ( >) escribió:
> Welcome to our movement Maryana.
> 
> Il giorno mar 14 set 2021 alle ore 17:42 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> ha scritto:
> Welcome: https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryana_Iskander 
> 
>  
> You will have time to get to know the wikimedians, but writing or improving 
> someone's biography in Wikipedia
> is perhaps one of the most heartfelt and sincere welcome that a Wikipedian 
> can give.
> 
> 
> Camelia & WikiDonne UG
> 
> 
> --
> Camelia Boban (she/her)
> | Java EE Developer |
> 
> WikiDonne | Wikimedia Diversity Ambassador | AffCom
> 
> M. +39 3383385545
> camelia.bo...@gmail.com 
> Wikipedia  | WikiDonne UG 
>  | WikiDonne Project 
>  | WikiDonne APS 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> Il giorno mar 14 set 2021 alle ore 23:17 Risker  > ha scritto:
> Welcome, Maryana.  We can all look forward to getting to know you better, and 
> for you to get to know us, too.
> 
> Feel free to reach out to people with your questions, your ideas, and your 
> concerns. 
> 
> Risker/Anne
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 11:36, Maryana Iskander  > wrote:
> Dear All, 
> 
> Thank you for this opportunity to introduce myself to you.  
> 
> When I read the job position [1] for the next leader of Wikimedia Foundation, 
> I noticed that it opened with a seemingly simple statement: “Knowledge 
> belongs to all of us.” Does it, really? It’s a striking statement. In an 
> increasingly unequal and polarizing world, one in which almost nothing 
> belongs to all of us, the idea that knowledge must belong to all is enough to 
> capture anyone’s attention and imagination – certainly mine. 
> 
> My story is shaped by a twin belief that knowledge can also set us free. 
> Shortly after I was born in Cairo, Egypt, my parents left for the United 
> States. During my time at university, graduate school, and law school, I was 
> consistently pulled towards some of society’s toughest issues – women’s 
> rights, civil rights, and the rights of prisoners. I was equally pulled by 
> the need to be effective in making change – seeking out leadership positions 
> and raising my hand and voice to change the institutions of power, not just 
> protest against them. I learned that the opportunity to make meaningful 
> impact often sits ‘in-between’ traditional spheres: in-between research and 
> teaching at Rice University, in-between healthcare delivery and advocacy at 
> Planned Parenthood, and in-between government and the private sector at 
> Harambee Youth Employment Accelerator. My time at all of these organisations 
> required listening to and learning from many diverse stakeholders – including 
> volunteers – and using my position of leadership to champion often unheard 
> voices.
>  
> In 2012, I followed my heart to South Africa and its very complicated society 
> – a legacy of apartheid perpetuating deep inequality despite the resilience 
> of communities full of potential and hope, and a country with one of the 
> highest 

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Update from the Wikimedia Foundation Board chair

2021-06-04 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Maria, 

Thank you for your engagement and commitment to the movement and good luck in 
your future endeavours. 

Warm regards, 

Nattes à chat
> Le 3 juin 2021 à 21:39, María Sefidari  a écrit :
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> There is one last bit of news I would like to share following the Board 
> meeting update.
> 
> After ~ 8 years on the Board of Trustees at the Wikimedia Foundation - a long 
> time! - I have notified the Board that I am stepping down as Chair and 
> trustee, effective end of day today. 
> 
> As all of you know, the community-selected seats were due to expire last year 
> and were extended at the request of the Board to see through these difficult 
> and unprecedented times. Now, after chairing the last meeting of the fiscal 
> year and having the call for candidates for the upcoming elections approved, 
> it is the least disruptive moment for me to step down. The Foundation has 
> asked me to consider an advisory role to support Movement Strategy and the 
> onboarding of new trustees and the new CEO/ED, to help support leadership and 
> this strategic transition. Nataliia Tymkiv, currently Vice Chair, will act as 
> Chair until a new one is elected by the Board ensuring continuity.  
> 
> Hopefully this news will not come as too much of a surprise. I am grateful to 
> the community members who lent me their trust and support to become a trustee 
> on two different occasions, to the staff, and to the trustees for their 
> confidence in me in the different leadership positions I have held within the 
> Board - first as committee chair, then two terms as Vice Chair, and two terms 
> as Chair. 
> 
> Together we have accomplished many things during this time, but if I had to 
> single out only a few they would be the following: launching the Movement 
> Strategy process, engaging in the most ambitious governance reform in the 
> history of the Board, and working to ensure the stability and sustainability 
> of the Foundation. It has been a time of change, of discussing strategy and 
> our future, and deciding together what the path forward should be. 
> 
> Of course, the work is never finished - it will be the task of the Board to 
> continue what has been done and face the newer and complex challenges that 
> will no doubt arise. I hope that we will see many of the women of the 
> movement and people from the Global South as candidates in the upcoming 
> community elections - I know there are many qualified people ready to step 
> into these important roles. I look forward to supporting an increasingly 
> capable and diverse Board.
> 
> Be safe and well everyone. 
> 
> Tupananchiskama,
> 
> María
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> María Sefidari Huici 
> Chair of the Board 
> Wikimedia Foundation  
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Announcing an academic conference on Wikipedia translation

2021-05-27 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Mark, 

This is really interesting. I take care of les sans pagEs community on fr-wikii 
and we translate a lot from English, a little from Spanish and Italian. I would 
keen to participate, thanks for sharing!

Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat


> Le 27 mai 2021 à 07:47, Mark SHUTTLEWORTH  a écrit :
> 
> Dear friends and colleagues
> 
> Further to my message at the end of last month and the queries that one or 
> two of you made, I'd like to notify you of the following:
> 
> 1. the conference will now be 100% online
> 2. the deadline for submission of proposals has been extended to 30th June 
> 2021
> 
> Full updated details and Call for Papers can be found on the conference 
> website at https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/ 
> .
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Mark Shuttleworth
> 
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 at 12:13, Mark SHUTTLEWORTH  > wrote:
> Dear friends and colleagues
> 
> Please permit me to publicise an academic conference that we're holding at 
> Hong Kong Baptist University on 15-17 December 2021.
> 
> The conference will be an ideal forum in which to discuss research 
> methodologies, issues of collaborativity, theoretical frameworks that have 
> proven valuable for the study of Wikipedia translation, the use of Wikipedia 
> in the translation classroom and by translation professionals, and the nature 
> of Wikipedia translation and how it differs not only from other more 
> traditional types of translation but also from other newly emerging types. 
> While the conference's main focus is interlingual translation within the 
> online encyclopaedia, we are also interested in research into the 
> multilingual Wikipedia that makes no explicit reference to translation issues.
> 
> The conference will be online, face-to-face or mixed mode, depending on 
> prevailing circumstances. Please see the conference website at 
> https://ctn.hkbu.edu.hk/wikiconf2021/  
> for full details and the Call for Papers.
> 
> I hope to see some of you there!
> 
> Mark
> 
> Professor Mark Shuttleworth 夏致遠
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ

2021-05-17 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you Zelko for posting this! 

Nattes à chat 

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> Le 17 mai 2021 à 23:59, Željko Blaće  a écrit :
> 
> 
> What is May 17th?
> 
> The International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia was 
> created in 2004 to draw the attention to the violence and discrimination 
> experienced by lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex people and all 
> other people with diverse sexual orientations, gender identities or 
> expressions, and sex characteristics. The date of May 17th was specifically 
> chosen to commemorate the World Health Organization’s decision in 1990 to 
> declassify homosexuality as a mental disorder. https://may17.org 
> 
> One year ago in 2020 we started QueeringW in hope #1 Queering Wikipedia 
> conference would be happening with a year of delay...now we hope it is in 
> 2022! 
> 
> Meanwhile we are "Together, we Resist, Support, and Heal"
> Happy #May17 #IDAHOT #IDAHOTBITQ 
> for those who celebrate and would support 
> https://www.instagram.com/QueeringW
> @may17org #IDAHOT #IDAHOT2021
> https://twitter.com/QueeringW
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you + see you around!

2021-04-19 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Katherine, 

From the bottom of my heart thank  you for your commitment to diversity issues 
and your openess and accessibility as a leader.

I will always remember when you came to Geneva and we made this small bicycle 
ride, and visited this LGBTIQ association together. 

I have never never encountered in my whole wikimedia life a leader who did this 
this way.

It was the #KM way : Kind Magic.

Thank you, good luck  may the odds always be in your favor! 

Nattes à chat

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> Le 16 avr. 2021 à 03:47, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hi friends, fellow Wikimedians,
> 
> [Apologies in advance, this note is very long, and written in my native 
> English speaker style. Normally I try for shorter and more ESL friendly, but 
> it was hard to do this time. Thank you for indulging or at least, tolerating, 
> me.]
> 
> It has been my life’s joy and pleasure to be a part of this movement with you 
> for the past seven years.[1] I came into the Wikimedia movement as a believer 
> in open culture, open source, and free knowledge. I leave my work at the 
> Foundation today knowing the Wikimedia movement stands for those things, and 
> something even greater. 
> 
> To be a Wikimedian is to embrace humanity’s curiosity and fallibility, our 
> generosity and irascibility. It is to look across a world that we’re told is 
> divided -- by arbitrary borders, linguistic conquest, fear of the unfamiliar 
> -- and instead see our common interest. It’s to know that we are each flawed, 
> unreliable narrators, and to believe that the best remedy to our intrinsic 
> failings is to patch our individual flaws with our collective strengths.
> 
> In the spring of 2016, I shared a pizza in Berlin with (our then-future, now 
> former, board chair) Christophe Henner. We were attending Wikimedia 
> Conference one month into my role as interim executive director, and had just 
> finished a challenging day of plenary meetings that brought us together as a 
> community in catharsis. Christophe was a candidate for the Wikimedia 
> Foundation board. He asked me, “What are we here for?” 
> 
> I didn’t know what he wanted me to say, so I just told him what I thought. 
> “We’re here to make the world better.” It was a cliche answer, but true for 
> me. He laughed and leaned back in the chair. “Yes.” 
> 
> This has always been what I read into the unstated part of our vision. 
> “Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the 
> sum of all knowledge.” This is a spectacular, inspiring, aspirational 
> ambition, but it is also missing something critical. For the past seven 
> years, I have imagined this world every day. And every day, I have asked 
> myself, “Why?” Why does free knowledge vision matter? What happens then? What 
> change have we effected in the world?”
> 
> Even after I leave, I’ll keep asking myself this. And as you continue your 
> work here, as colleagues, as contributors, as volunteers, I ask all of you to 
> ask yourselves as well -- with all that you do, and all that you contribute, 
> and all that you build. What are we here to do? Do our values, our 
> structures, our practices, and our constructs serve our purpose? And how do 
> we ensure they remain as alive and vital as our projects and vision? 
> 
> The former president of Wikimedia Chile, Marco Correa, would say, “The 
> knowledge may be neutral, but the act is not.” I always understood him to 
> mean that while our projects endeavor to serve the most accurate, verifiable, 
> and neutral knowledge, our movement has never been impartial. We have always 
> stood proudly for a set of values: freedom of inquiry, expression, and 
> assembly, the right to privacy and memory, and the foundational value and 
> dignity of every human. We have defended them under duress and must continue 
> to do so.
> 
> We should never lose sight of how revolutionary the act of producing free 
> knowledge is in the first place. I’ve always been struck by the myriad 
> motivations that bring people to this movement. There are those who write 
> their language into the future, their identity into public consciousness, who 
> use our projects to grapple with historical injustice. There are some who 
> edit Wikipedia because an act of fact is itself an act of self-determination 
> in places where information is used to suppress and subject. 
> 
> If we let ourselves believe that we’re simply a free encyclopedia, we risk 
> losing sight of the power and possibility of our work. Knowledge has always 
> been a tool of power -- great empire and wealth have been built with its 
> service, and great injustice has been done in its name. The very idea of 
> liberating knowledge from power, decoupling it from access and wealth, and 
> placing its construction, utility, and value in the hands of every person on 
> the planet is fundamentally radical. 
> 
> Wikimedia itself is a radical act. It is a verb, a constant action of 
> interrogation, revision, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanks for all the fish! / Stepping down April 15

2021-02-05 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Katherine,

Thank you for your engagement and support to our movement, to which you have 
brought so much. We will miss you but we hope you will stay connected in some 
way or another. 

Particularly, I want to thank you for your commitment to diversity and 
inclusion, and for being one of those leaders that one can easily reach out to. 

I join the others in wishing you all the best for the future in your personal 
and professional endeavours.

Warm regards,

Natacha Rault
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> Le 5 févr. 2021 à 11:47, Olushola Olaniyan  a 
> écrit :
> 
> 
> Dear Katherine, 
> 
> I never saw this coming! 
> 
> You have done so well as the CEO of Foundation and I believe you will 
> continue to be an ambassador of the movement, wherever you go. 
> 
> You are such a special person and we all shall miss you!!! 
> 
> Stay blessed. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 4, 2021, 6:48 PM Katherine Maher  wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Earlier today, I announced to my colleagues at the Wikimedia Foundation my 
>> intention to step down as CEO later this spring. April 15th will be my last 
>> day, marking my seven-year anniversary with the Foundation and the movement. 
>> This was not an easy decision, but it is the right one. For now, I want to 
>> share with you why I’m moving on, and what comes next. I’ll save the 
>> customary email with deeper reflections, memories, and thanks for later this 
>> spring!
>>   
>> In some ways, this was the easiest hard decision I’ve ever made. It’s never 
>> exactly a good time to step away -- transitions always have some rough edges 
>> -- but it’s always best to do so when the organization is strong, and before 
>> you’ve overstayed your welcome. The movement is in a good, strong place. Our 
>> communities are growing, our readership is too. Our 20th birthday, the 
>> launch of our Universal Code of Conduct, and the movement strategy 
>> recommendations are all milestone moments of solidity and strength. I have 
>> great hopes and confidence in the upcoming plans for strategy 
>> implementation, particularly the work on the movement charter and interim 
>> global council. We are healthy and thriving.
>> 
>> While we will always have more work to do to become the Wikimedia that we 
>> want to be, our movement and our organization is in a phase of renewal and 
>> regeneration. We have deepened our practices of consultation, collaboration, 
>> and inclusion that will be the foundation of the next decade of our work. We 
>> have a deep and stable financial position that will help us grow and protect 
>> us from any storm, and the trust in our projects has never been higher. Our 
>> communities are poised to take on deeper responsibilities of governance, 
>> accountability, and leadership, populating a rich, representative, and 
>> leaderful movement for free knowledge. 
>> 
>> The Foundation is also strong, and filled with passionate, values-aligned 
>> leaders at every level of the organization, deeply committed to the work of 
>> our movement and mission. Although we don’t always all perfectly agree on 
>> absolutely everything, we are working more openly and cooperatively with our 
>> movement than ever before. Collaborative strategic planning, sustainable 
>> programs to support technical communities and tooling, co-development and 
>> consultation on transformative new experiences welcoming newcomers, 
>> cooperative partnerships on public health data, bibliographic data, and 
>> human rights data -- all of these are signals of much great work to come. 
>> Even difficult topics, such as brand and movement governance, continue to 
>> bring people together in nothing less than feisty commitment.
>> 
>> Together, we have rich resources of brilliant people, deep passion, and 
>> compassion. We are making progress on some of our greatest challenges, from 
>> editor and readership growth, technical debt, representation and 
>> participation, safety and knowledge equity. I am proud of what we’ve done 
>> together and grateful for all the ways in which this movement has made my 
>> life immeasurably richer: friendships that will last a lifetime, 
>> intellectual curiosity and kinship, and so many memories of so much dancing, 
>> from Accra to Berlin to Chandigarh. 
>> 
>> As for me, I’m going to take a break, and a research fellowship, as a place 
>> to think about what’s next. It’s hard to think about your future when you’re 
>> fully in your present, and for the past seven years, I’ve been fully present 
>> for this movement. But as I look around, I see global challenges such as 
>> pol

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Ratification of Universal Code of Conduct

2021-02-02 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Maria, this is great news and thank you for this announcement! 
Really happy to see that happening at last.
Warm regards,
Nattes à chat

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> Le 2 févr. 2021 à 12:59, María Sefidari  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has unanimously approved a 
> Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia projects and movement.[1]  A 
> Universal Code of Conduct was one of the final recommendations of the 
> Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year, participatory community effort 
> to define the future of our movement. The final Universal Code of Conduct 
> seeks to address disparities in conduct policies across our hundreds of 
> projects and communities, by creating a binding minimum set of standards for 
> conduct on the Wikimedia projects that directly address many of the 
> challenges that contributors face.
> 
> The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with these 
> challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the world 
> have participated in conversations and consultations to help build this code 
> collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages, surveys, 
> discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of volunteers and 
> staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant investment of time 
> and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint staff/volunteer 
> committee who created the base draft after reviewing input collected from 
> community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the dedication of the 
> Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in getting us to this phase.
> 
> This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here, the 
> Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce this 
> code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions on how 
> you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code. Over the 
> next few months, they will be facilitating consultation discussions in many 
> local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to support a new 
> volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways. For more 
> information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in this next 
> phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on Meta.[2]
> 
> The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our vision 
> of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all knowledge. 
> Together, we have built something extraordinary. Today, we celebrate this 
> milestone in making our movement a safer space for contribution for all. 
> 
> On behalf of the Board of Trustees,
> 
> María Sefidari
> Board Chair
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review 
> 
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation commitment of support for LGBT+ volunteers

2020-12-08 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Maggie, 

Thank you for this public statement, our francophone team has just translated 
the meta version into French. I hope that it gets translated in all languages 
so that LGBTIQ+ persons can feel valued and supported in our movement. 

Warm regards, 

Nattes à chat

> Le 8 déc. 2020 à 16:24, Maggie Dennis  a écrit :
> 
> Hello. 
> 
> My name is Maggie Dennis. I’m the Vice President of Community Resilience and 
> Sustainability at the Wikimedia Foundation.[1] I oversee the Foundation’s 
> Trust and Safety teams (operations and policy), the Community Development 
> team, and the upcoming Foundation Human Rights lead.
> 
> On December 2nd, I met with representatives of the Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group 
> along with several Trust and Safety personnel, including Global Head Jan 
> Eißfeldt, to understand some of the challenges faced by the members of the 
> group as volunteers in our international movement.[2] It is apparent that 
> many volunteers openly identifying as LGBTQIA+ are targeted and attacked for 
> their identities, with transgender, non-binary, queer, and queer feminist 
> editors in particular at higher risk for such abuse. The members of the group 
> who met with us voiced concerns about the safety and wellbeing of other 
> marginalized communities and groups as well. 
> 
> In my role, and speaking for the Foundation, I am writing today to restate, 
> reinforce, and firmly assert our commitment to supporting the LGBTQIA+ 
> volunteers in our movement, as well as others who face exclusion and 
> hostility on the basis of identity factors.[3]
> 
> The Wikimedia movement is based on the value of inclusivity, that anyone may 
> play a part in not only receiving but curating and sharing knowledge. What 
> volunteers have been able to accomplish in Wikimedia projects is 
> extraordinary, but the movement will never reach its full potential if we do 
> not close the diversity gap which our communities defined so ably in the 
> Movement Strategy process.[4] There continue to be barriers in our movement 
> for LGBTQIA+, women, indigenous communities, and other underrepresented 
> groups. We as a movement have been called upon by a broad and diverse group 
> of our own movement members to promote inclusivity and reduce harms to our 
> participants.
> 
> In light of this, one of my teams has been directed by the Board of Trustees 
> to (among other requests) facilitate the drafting of the Universal Code of 
> Conduct called for in the Movement Strategy recommendations.[5] This 
> collaboratively drafted document underwent significant community review in 
> September and October and is currently under review by the Board. We will 
> next be launching a second phase of that work in January, meant to result in 
> enforcement pathways that will make our projects safe spaces for all 
> volunteers. 
> 
> Following the LGBT+ User Group meeting, we are also building into our plans 
> facilitated support for the LGBT+ User Group and other Wikimedia affiliate 
> organizations focused on marginalized communities to come together to discuss 
> better mechanisms for supporting volunteers who are targeted on the basis of 
> sexual orientation, gender, race, religion, ethnicity or other identify 
> factors. We expect to solidify plans and launch conversations in January and 
> will be putting out information on how to participate.
> 
> In addition, we see the urgency and the opportunity to do more to address the 
> needs of the LGBT+ User Group and others. The Foundation’s Community 
> Resilience & Sustainability function will be connecting more closely with the 
> LGBT+ User Group going forward to ensure that the Foundation’s staff better 
> understand the needs of this community, especially but not solely in our 
> professional Trust & Safety work. 
> 
> We are committed to supporting volunteers in participating safely in our 
> movement and want to be sure that we do not, through lack of understanding, 
> ourselves do harm. This includes:
> adopting and disseminating to staff best-practice terminology when conducting 
> community surveys,
> ensuring that volunteers have easier access to existing reporting structures 
> now, even as we build other enforcement pathways in the UCoC, 
> being vigilant that incidents where individuals are targeted for identity 
> factors are properly recognized and addressed in our Trust & Safety systems, 
> and
> exploring peer support options. 
> 
> I thank the members of the user group for inviting us to join them. I’m 
> excited and energized by that conversation and looking forward to finding 
> ways to improve. I hope others in the community will join in the publicly 
> hosted UCoC discussions starting early in the new year to improve the safety 
> of all community members. It will help to ensure that volunteers across the 
> movement, and in all movement spaces online and off, have an opportunity to 
> contribute safely. People should feel welcomed to contribute to our 
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] #SheSaid

2020-11-02 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Yup cos this quote has been on my contributor page on Fr Wiki for quite a long 
time.
Thanks for setting this up Anthere! 
I made my first contribution thanks to #shesaid on a famous quote of Monique 
Wittig, a renowned French author (Les Guérillères, l’Oppoponax).

Warm regards,

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> Le 3 nov. 2020 à 02:58, Florence Devouard  a écrit :
> 
> 
> Did you know that quote
> 
> "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to 
> say it."
> 
> was authored by a woman ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you know how many entries on Wikiquote are about women versus Men ? 
> 14639 men entries... for 2977 women entries...
> 
> Suprised ?
> 
> 
> 
> I am happy to announce the new #SheSaid campaign. The #SheSaid drive is aimed 
> at improving the visibility of women across Wikimedia projects (and beyond) 
> by creating new or improving already existing Wikiquote entries spoken by 
> notable women.
> 
> Here are a few statistics:
> 
> On the English Wikiquote main page on 6th of Oct 2020, in the Selected people 
> section... 29 men are featured and only 4 women (check out the screenshot on 
> the right...)
> There are 233 women who have a featured article on either French or English 
> Wikipedias... with no entry on the French Wikiquote check it out
> There are 141 women featured article on the English Wikipedia with no 
> wikiquote entry check it
> There are 519 women listed on the French wikiquote check it and 3117 men 
> listed check it out
> Obviously, not all women say good quotes that would make a wikiquote entry 
> worth it. Still... 
> 
> 
> 
> How to get involved?
> 
> * Give a bit of love to Wikiquote in the language of your liking. Check 
> existing Wikiquote women entries and see if they might be improved. Or create 
> new entries for notable women who produced notable quotes. Or add notable 
> quotes from women in various entries.
> * When you improve them, please add #SheSaid in the comment box so that we 
> can see how much impact we make !
> * Relay the SheSaid drive to your friends and community ! We have created 
> cool postcards (you may suggest or create more !)
> 
> 
> 
> #SheSaid runs until the 20h of December 2020. We hope you will take part! 
> Find out more and join the campaign here.
> 
> 
> 
> Flo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-12 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi, 

This has just been published on the Mozilla community blog by Emma Irwin and I 
thought it could interest some of you here. 

https://blog.mozilla.org/community/2020/09/10/weaving-safety-into-the-fabric-of-open-source/

It brings insight into the experience of enforcing a code of conduct in an open 
source community.

Wikilove! 

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> Le 12 sept. 2020 à 05:23, Zainan Zhou (a.k.a Victor)  a écrit :
> 
> 
> I might be wrong, but I couldn't help noticing some disagreements of whether 
> we should have a Universal CoC lies in the different mindset of how conflicts 
> should be governed, just like legal systems of Common Laws vs Civil Laws. 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:25 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l 
>>  wrote:
>> {{trigger warning : French joke included}}
>> 
>> Dear Pete, let me explain  why this is problematic.  
>> 
>> First I am sorry to say there is no hidden agenda or awful witchery plot to 
>> uncover including WMF influence. I have myself severely criticised the WMF 
>> in the course of the branding process (and was never scolded for that so I 
>> think we can express criticism). Maybe not all the time, maybe not just in 
>> any format. 
>> 
>>  I made the initial comment, and no one pushed me into.  If it has offended 
>> people, I am sorry, maybe I should in effect have reached out to Dan 
>> privately first. Dan I am sorry of the attention, your wording is being 
>> given, and I would like us to move on, as suggested by Alphos to a more 
>> constructive debate. 
>> 
>> Pete, because your are asking repeatedly for clarification and only because 
>> of that, what I have learned from my #black lives matter friends, it that s 
>> not my obligation to educate you on why this is problematic.  In fact when 
>> you ask for clarifications, you are putting pressure on people who find the 
>> use of disrespectful language a problem instead of  asking why the initial 
>> comment had to include flatulistic scenery (and this for French speakers has 
>> nothing to do with Brice de Nice’s expression « ça farte » see for reference 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ_kkVzx18 
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ_kkVzx18>) which blurrs the actual 
>> meaning behind the criticisml, especially for people whose language is not 
>> English in the first place. Then one could argue that it is targeting people 
>> of an institution. Full stop. 
>> 
>> I wish to  move on to why I believe spaces should be moderated, which 
>> basically would mean enforcing a code of conduct, that many members of our 
>> community have been asking for for years.
>> 
>>  « As I am a nice guy » I will give a few ressources explaining why I think 
>> lists, and wikimedia spaces should be moderated. Basically it is because you 
>> can : 
>> 
>> 1- allow free roaming speech and leaving agressive behaviours unchecked 
>> creating a space where only certain social groups are over represented but 
>> thus you can’t claim to be designing the sum of all human knowledge
>> 
>> OR 
>> 
>> 2 - design free open source inclusive spaces  that are allowing anyone to 
>> participate but you then have to moderate content because, people have 
>> different « cultures" and may not understand what offends others, there is a 
>> learning curve. 
>> 
>> Here is  a timeline of incidents 
>> https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents#2018for 
>> <https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents#2018for> 
>> 
>> This time line of incidents is often cited by women as a reason for having 
>> OS code of conducts (which includes moderation of mailing lists most of the 
>> time) 
>> 
>> History tells us, that in the early internet days, the first experiments of 
>> virtual spaces encountered less harassment and more women. This is told in 
>> the following book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35953464-broad-band 
>> <https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35953464-broad-band>, where the story 
>> of Stacy Horn and how she actually designed the Esat Coast Hanger (ECHO) see 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Horn 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Horn> is detailed.  Why? Because Stacy 
>> Horn moderated each chan and reached out to every member that left the 
>> community so that she would eventually know about abusive behaviours and 
>> document it. 
>> 
>> Designing a safe space does not mean you cannot address just any topic, it 
>> just means that you do so paying attention to how you treat potential 
&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
{{trigger warning : French joke included}}

Dear Pete, let me explain  why this is problematic.  

First I am sorry to say there is no hidden agenda or awful witchery plot to 
uncover including WMF influence. I have myself severely criticised the WMF in 
the course of the branding process (and was never scolded for that so I think 
we can express criticism). Maybe not all the time, maybe not just in any 
format. 

 I made the initial comment, and no one pushed me into.  If it has offended 
people, I am sorry, maybe I should in effect have reached out to Dan privately 
first. Dan I am sorry of the attention, your wording is being given, and I 
would like us to move on, as suggested by Alphos to a more constructive debate. 

Pete, because your are asking repeatedly for clarification and only because of 
that, what I have learned from my #black lives matter friends, it that s not my 
obligation to educate you on why this is problematic.  In fact when you ask for 
clarifications, you are putting pressure on people who find the use of 
disrespectful language a problem instead of  asking why the initial comment had 
to include flatulistic scenery (and this for French speakers has nothing to do 
with Brice de Nice’s expression « ça farte » see for reference 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhZ_kkVzx18 
) which blurrs the actual meaning 
behind the criticisml, especially for people whose language is not English in 
the first place. Then one could argue that it is targeting people of an 
institution. Full stop. 

I wish to  move on to why I believe spaces should be moderated, which basically 
would mean enforcing a code of conduct, that many members of our community have 
been asking for for years.

 « As I am a nice guy » I will give a few ressources explaining why I think 
lists, and wikimedia spaces should be moderated. Basically it is because you 
can : 

1- allow free roaming speech and leaving agressive behaviours unchecked 
creating a space where only certain social groups are over represented but thus 
you can’t claim to be designing the sum of all human knowledge

OR 

2 - design free open source inclusive spaces  that are allowing anyone to 
participate but you then have to moderate content because, people have 
different « cultures" and may not understand what offends others, there is a 
learning curve. 

Here is  a timeline of incidents 
https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_incidents#2018for 
 

This time line of incidents is often cited by women as a reason for having OS 
code of conducts (which includes moderation of mailing lists most of the time) 

History tells us, that in the early internet days, the first experiments of 
virtual spaces encountered less harassment and more women. This is told in the 
following book : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35953464-broad-band 
, where the story of 
Stacy Horn and how she actually designed the Esat Coast Hanger (ECHO) see 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacy_Horn 
 is detailed.  Why? Because Stacy 
Horn moderated each chan and reached out to every member that left the 
community so that she would eventually know about abusive behaviours and 
document it. 

Designing a safe space does not mean you cannot address just any topic, it just 
means that you do so paying attention to how you treat potential readers, and 
contributors to create a discussion that is actually evolving around the 
subject, and not the format of it. 

A 2018 incident about wether or not a joke should be removed  
https://lwn.net/Articles/753646/  questions 
wether there is a need for a safe space or not in open source projects. I’m 
taking this example, because it shows how power and privilege iin a community 
can be used to influence « keeping a joke that is upsetting to some ». 

So the question of « censorship » is central, but it usually has a pending side 
: who is silenced, whose voice is not being heard?  I like the way the Django 
FAQ adresses the problem of « censorship » in a community 

https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/faq/ 


Quote from the above :
This is censorship! I have the right to say whatever I want

You do -- in your space. If you'd like to hang out in our spaces (as clarified 
above), we have some simple guidelines to follow. If you want to, for example, 
form a group where Django is discussed using language inappropriate for general 
channels then nobody's stopping you. We respect your right to establish 
whatever codes of conduct you want in the spaces that belong to you. Please 
honor this Code of Conduct in our spaces.


https://web.archive.org/web/20141109123859/http://speakup.io/coc.html 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-10 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hello,

A code of conduct id something many of us have asked the WMF to write for many 
years. We are asking the WMF to take an active part in stopping abusive 
behaviors in our community.

On fr wiki, many admins say they are tired of conflicts and that they did not 
enroll to deal with them. A code of conduct could help then take action because 
it offers a frame. 

This is COMPLETELY different with the branding process. 

We are one of the few projects in the open source world without a code of 
conduct.

So thank you for this draft, thank you for opening up for discussions, and I 
hope the language will remain respectful.

I believe moderators should ban from this list the person who spoke about « wmf 
flatulence ». 


 I dont want to read that type of language among people who are supposedly 
asked to write neutral enccyclopedias. 

It puts pressure and stress on those who would like to answer on this thread, 
it sets an aggressive climate. 

Please could we all feel empowered to  apply our founding principles and refuse 
any such language here and on meta in these discussions? 

Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat


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> Le 10 sept. 2020 à 03:53, Gnangarra  a écrit :
> 
> Yair
> 
> I was in the room in 2017 when the first community consultation on the
> strategy program took place. Affiliates were asked to send a person
> specifically for the strategy process, and  WMF also invited some other
> community members. There was absolutely no coercion, or control over what
> topics were raised during those discussions. The program was not run by the
> WMF and everyone was free to contribute any ideas they had, as the program
> went on we chose which areas and topics we wanted to be the focus. Trust
> and safety, and user conduct were areas that were identified as necessary
> to the future development of the movement. This process has been open for
> ideas, comments, and suggestions. Yes the WMF has funded the process but
> every choice has been made by community members without any duress or
> reward as to where each step lead.
> 
> As someone who actively runs projects for the last 10 years to bring in new
> contributors, I have concerns about the UCoC process in giving advantages
> to those who have been around longer but that is not something that will be
> unique to this as its already an issue in all projects where the new person
> is the one frequently dismissed as wrong when there is a clash between
> them and someone who has been around long enough to be known.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 09:11, Yair Rand  wrote:
>> 
>> The UCoC is obviously a WMF-driven project. It was announced in June 2019
>> by a member of the WMF Trust and Safety team, was added to the strategy
>> process by the group of WMF appointees (or sometimes WMF
>> appointee-appointees) who made up the working group, had
>> pseudo-consultations about it started by WMF staff (with wildly-misleading
>> reports written up afterward, again by the WMF), and the UCoC itself was
>> drafted by a mixed group of WMF staff and WMF appointees, through a process
>> set by the WMF.
>> 
>> The communities have repeatedly expressed unambiguous consensus against
>> having a WMF-imposed UCoC. The WMF has absolutely no business in setting
>> ordinary conduct policy, and they could have the ED and every board member
>> and C-level declare the UCoC to be policy, and threaten every affiliate
>> into declaring it as policy, and the only impact would be demonstrating how
>> far removed they are from Wikimedia. The communities are self-governing and
>> will implement policy based on community decisions.
>> 
>> That said,  I disagree with Dan's calls for nonparticipation/noncooperation
>> or for specifically withholding funds or support. If we end up in a
>> situation where the WMF tries to block, desysop, threaten, or sue
>> contributors, or to seize control over the projects, that would be the time
>> for all editors and affiliates and donors to level-headedly level the
>> Foundation to its foundations. Until then, we should attempt to work with
>> them, even when their behaviour leaves much to be desired.
>> 
>> -- Yair Rand
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 9 בספט׳ 2020 ב-16:03 מאת ‪Jackie‬‏ <‪
>> jackie.koer...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬
>> 
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> 
>>> I hear that you are upset by the suggestion and likely implementation of
>> a
>>> Universal Code of Conduct. I also hear that you feel like this is a
>>> WMF-driven project. I cannot change your opinion about the UCoC, but I
>> can
>>> say your feelings about this being a WMF-driven project are untrue. It
>>> doesn't matter how strongly you feel this, it's actually many groups of
>>> people working together. It was determined as a major need during
>>> discussions I had as part of the Community Health Working Group and I am
>>> glad to see this moving forward.
>>> 
>>> I am glad you feel comfortable expressing yourself and your feelings
>> about
>>> the UCoC. I also would like to say the way 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

2020-06-05 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Yes thank you very much. I really liked the sincerity and the straight to the 
point amswers. It feels great to be listened at and given sincere answers. 

Make this call a best practice, it rocked. 

Warm regards, 

Nattes à chat 

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> Le 4 juin 2020 à 22:16, Tito Dutta  a écrit :
> 
> True, (because of connectivity issues I was disconnected for some time).
> Thanks Maggie for answering the questions and clarifying things. All the
> best and good wishes.
> 
> Thanks
> Tito Dutta
> Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
> me over email or phone call.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 at 01:17, Aron Manning  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you, Maggie, Elena and Nick for this meeting!
>> 
>> The event was very well organized on the first try, focused and
>> informative.
>> Special thanks to Maggie for tirelessly answering all the questions and
>> giving insight to the wide spectrum of challenges.
>> 
>> It was great to hear that transparency will be an important part of the
>> processes to be developed and that the communities will be involved in
>> working out the details. I think this is going in the right direction to
>> establish trust and cooperation with the communities and a mutually
>> agreeable outcome.
>> 
>> Thank you to all participants and I hope there will be more meetings as
>> this project progresses!
>> 
>> 
>> Aron
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 at 23:24, Maggie Dennis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We will post notes from the meeting, with the identity of question-askers
>>> anonymized, afterward. Questions can be submitted on Telegram [1], on IRC
>>> [2] or in the YouTube Chat or by email in advance to
>> answ...@wikimedia.org
>>> (To make sure they are presented during this meeting, please use “Trust &
>>> Safety” as the subject line.)
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Les sans pagEs User Group

2020-02-19 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you for this announcement! And to all the wonderful people, contributors 
and organisations (Wikimedia France, Wikimedia CH and the WMF) who have helped 
us achieve this goal. 

A special thanks to Anthere who did all the preliminary work to achieve this.

With wiki love

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> Le 18 févr. 2020 à 12:09, GERBET Remy via Wikimedia-l 
>  a écrit :
> 
> Congratulations to this wonderfull group :) 
> 
> Gerbet Rémy
> 
> Délégué
> opérationnel 
> _07 84 37 91
> 04_
> 
> _---__-_
> 
> 
> WIKIMEDIA FRANCE
> Association pour le libre partage de la
> connaissance
> _WWW.WIKIMEDIA.FR [1] _ 
> 
> _40 rue de clery, __75002 Paris_ 
> [2] 
> _ _ _ [3]_ 
> 
> Le 2020-02-18 07:41, Camelia Boban a écrit :
> 
>> Happy
> for this.
>> Congratulations to the group members ❤.
>> 
>> Camelia
>> 
>> 
> --
>> *Camelia Boban*
>> 
>> *| Java EE Developer |*
>> 
>> *Affiliations
> Committee - **Wikimedia Foundation*
>> Diversity WG for Wikimedia
> Strategy 2030
>> *Interwiki Women
>> 
>  |
> **Wiki
>> Loves Sport 
> | Wiki Loves
>> Fashion
> *
>> WMIT
>  - WMSE
>> 
>  - WMAR
>> 
>  - WMCH
>> 
>  Member
>> 
>> M. +39
> 3383385545
>> camelia.bo...@gmail.com
>> *Aissa Technologies*
> * | *Twitter
>> 
>  *|* *LinkedIn
>> 
> *
>> *Wikipedia
>  **| **WikiDonne
>> 
> UG * | *WikiDonne Project
>> 
>  *
>> 
>> Il giorno mar
> 18 feb 2020 alle ore 02:33 Lucas Werkmeister <
>> 
> m...@lucaswerkmeister.de> ha scritto:
>> 
>>> That sounds great,
> congratulations to the group and all the best for
>>> your future
> work!
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Lucas
>>> 
>>> On 17.02.20 20:05, Rosie
> Stephenson-Goodknight wrote:
 Hi everyone!
 
 
 
 I'm very
> happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
 [1]
> Les sans pagEs [2] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to be a
 
> community effort and an association for users who work on issues
> related
>>> to
 women and gender issues and more generally to
> diversity (territorial,
 cultural, linguistic, generational, gender,
> attitudinal and ability,
>>> etc.)
 within the French speaking
> wikimedia movement.
 
 
 
 Please join me in congratulating the
> members of this new user group!
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Rosie
> Stephenson-Goodknight
 
 Chair, Affiliations
> Committee
 
 
 
 [1]
 
>>> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Les_sans_pagEs_User_Group
 
 
> [2]  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Les_sans_pagEs
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome back, Turkey

2020-01-17 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Great news and welcome back indeed,
Natacha / Nattes à chat

> Le 16 janv. 2020 à 19:25, Rupika Sharma  a écrit :
> 
> Thank for sharing the wonderful news Amanda! Welcome back Turkey!!
> 
> Warmly,
> Rupika
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020, 11:51 PM Amanda Keton  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> My name is Amanda Keton, the new General Counsel at the Wikimedia
>> Foundation. While Katherine is inflight traveling back from a busy week of
>> community meetings in Chile, I wanted to share the exciting news that
>> today, we have started to receive reports that the block of Wikipedia in
>> Turkey is being lifted, data which is also indicated by our internal
>> traffic reports. After more than two and a half years, access to Wikipedia
>> has been restored in Turkey - and on a timely occasion, as we celebrate
>> Wikipedia’s 19th birthday today!
>> 
>> Please join me in welcoming back our friends and colleagues from Turkey.
>> While many have remained active during the block, restoring access to
>> Wikipedia will allow thousands more to return in the days and weeks ahead.
>> It is our shared responsibility and honor to help make them feel welcome
>> again and make sure they know how much we missed them. I am confident that
>> our community will successfully welcome them back with open arms. I know we
>> have community members around the world who have been eagerly looking
>> forward to the block being lifted and brainstorming activities to
>> celebrate, and I welcome them to share their ideas as we move forward.
>> 
>> Our case in the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) is also still
>> pending, and remains important even in light of the unblock as a way to
>> continue advocating for strong protections for free expression online. We
>> will continue to post updates about the next steps in our case before the
>> ECHR on the Wikimedia Foundation website. We have also published a
>> statement to reflect that access has now been restored in Turkey. [1]
>> 
>> Thank you all for your efforts, kind words, and encouraging thoughts as we
>> worked to restore access to Wikipedia in Turkey. I want to thank our
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>> over. That said, I hope all of you will celebrate this momentous
>> accomplishment for free knowledge today and join me in welcoming back the
>> people of Turkey to our projects, movement, and community.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is going to be available in turkey again

2019-12-26 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Great news! Thanks for sharing 
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> Le 26 déc. 2019 à 21:24, RhinosF1 -  a écrit :
> 
> Well done to everyone who fought for the freedom.
> 
> RhinosF1
> 
>> On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 at 13:16, Rajeeb Dutta  wrote:
>> 
>> A wonderful news to end 2019, thanks for the update.
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Rajeeb Dutta.
>> (U: Marajozkee)
>> (Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity)
>> 
>>> On 26-Dec-2019, at 6:40 PM, Abhinav srivastava 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a wonderful news! Thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Dec 26, 2019, 6:22 PM Shlomi Fish 
>> wrote:
 
 On Thu, 26 Dec 2019 16:10:09 +0330
 Mardetanha  wrote:
 
> Dear friends and colleagues
> before new year I would like to share the wonderful news that we
>> received
> today. Turkey's Constitutional Court finds that the Wikipedia ban
> constitutes a violation of the right to freedom of expression. The high
> court also requests Ankara 1st Criminal Judgeship of Peace to remove
>> the
> ban immediately. Wikipedia has been banned since Apr 2017.
> 
 
 Great news! Thanks for sharing.
 
> 
> Mardetanha
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-19 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
I think Florence resumed quite well what I was trying to express. 
It’s not a criticism - its a fact : I would have been happy to chat with her to 
understand the ligic behind the recent rapid grant changes. 
Kind regards,
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> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 13:14, Florence Devouard  a écrit :
> 
> Sorry to say Jane, but your answer strikes me as being completely beside the 
> point :(
> 
> The issue Natachat was raising is related to funding our local activities, a 
> situation currently made difficult by the new rapid grant system (*) She gave 
> the example of the Art and Feminism, but this is a single example and other 
> projects are also impacted by those changes.
> I do not see how a problem with WMF funding scheme could be solved by talking 
> to other volunteers. I very much doubt Natachat would need Valerie to explain 
> her how to set up and run a local project on gender-gap issues. We are 
> slightly beyond this...
> 
> The bottom line is that the community engagement department changed a LOT in 
> the past few months, with arrivals and departures. And this department is 
> essential for the smoothness of volunteer-run initiatives.
> 
> So yes, it was to be expected that the project leads would have been happy to 
> meet WMF staff to have the opportunity to better understand the changes and 
> the new directions the WMF is heading to.
> 
> Florence
> 
> 
> * in the new system, grant requests for some targetted drive (such as art and 
> feminism or wiki loves) must be made during specific time frame. The idea in 
> itself is not a bad one and could help the grant team to be more efficient. 
> The problem is that the agenda is too tight, which means volunteers have to 
> start activities before they get the financial support and to a certain 
> extent even start the activities before they get the approval of support.
> 
>> Le 16/09/2019 à 08:45, Jane Darnell a écrit :
>> As far as Art+Feminism goes, this project concentrates on biographies of
>> female artists. The English Wikipedia project "Women in Red" is open 24x7
>> all year round and concentrates on biographies of women on English
>> Wikipedia, period. So you can take all of your local Wikipedia questions
>> about A+F to your local WiR women for each non-English Wikipedia, and if
>> there is no overlap yet, I suggest starting your own local A+F/WiR in your
>> local Wikipedia. We should probably start a multi-lingual one for Commons,
>> since it has proven so difficult to get pictures of female artists to
>> illustrate articles about them.
>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:27 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you Thierry. To be honnest a few of us were really waiting for
>>> Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement because we had
>>> questions for her about the new rapid grant funding agenda which seems
>>> totally inadapted to volunteer’s need in terms of flexibility. One has to
>>> wait a soecific month for Art+feminism and very often the timing has not
>>> been adapted to when the events are actually taking place. For a volunteer
>>> this is way too procedural. We need more flexibility.
>>> We had other questions regarding the departure of several people which
>>> were very important for the gender gap.
>>> So ... Some of us were disappointed indeed.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Natacha
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Le 15 sept. 2019 à 20:02, Thierry Coudray  a écrit :
>>>> 
>>>> Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the extension of funding by the Basque Government

2019-09-18 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Great news and great example! Thanks for sharing with us,
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> Le 18 sept. 2019 à 17:17, Alex Stinson  a écrit :
> 
> Thats Fantastic! Congratulations!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alex
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:20 AM Asaf Bartov  wrote:
>> 
>> Fantastic news, Galder!  Kudos to everyone involved!
>> 
>>   A.
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 5:17 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear wikimedians,
>>> Three years have gone since we started with the Basque Wikimedians User
>>> Group Education Program, funded by the Basque Government. After two years
>>> and a half of great enhancing of Basque Wikipedia (more than 2.500
>> students
>>> adding more than 1.5 million words on fundamental topics) the Basque
>>> Government has announce us today the extension of the funding for four
>> more
>>> years.
>>> 
>>> In this four years we will try to strengthen our Educaton Program but
>> also
>>> open to new areas in order to make our knowledge equity vision possible.
>> By
>>> 2024 we will have taken sure steps towards creating a free knowledge
>>> ecosystem centered at Wikimedia.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> 
>>> Galder
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-17 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Merci Delphine! Et moi je travaillais donc je n’ai pas pu faire les 
pre-learning days.
Est-ce que ta présentation est en ligne? 
Bien à toi, 
Natacha 

> Le 17 sept. 2019 à 15:14, Delphine Ménard  a écrit :
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I participated in the pre-conference in Brussels this year, to which I was
> invited to give a workshop about grants. I decided not to stay the whole 4
> days because of personal commitments too.
> 
> Mais si tu as des questions sur les grants, je suis là :)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Delphine
> 
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 7:04 AM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Katherine,
>> We will be happy to see you in Tunis!
>> Along with other reps of the WMF I hope, with the possibility of booking
>> appointments with :
>> - T
>> - outreach
>> - grant rep
>> - tech rep
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Nattes à chat
>> 
>>> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 23:54, Katherine Maher  a
>> écrit :
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note that I was invited to Wikiconvention on Friday 9 August
>>> by Wikimedia France. On Monday 12 August (delayed by travel to
>> Wikimania!)
>>> I sent a note expressing my regrets, as I had a family wedding to attend
>>> during that same weekend as the Convention. I also asked at the same time
>>> to be notified as soon as the 2020 Tunis dates were confirmed, so that I
>> or
>>> other members of the Foundation's leadership team are able to plan to
>>> attend (and I have already put those dates in my calendar).
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, as all volunteers know, sometimes personal/family
>>> commitments do preclude travel. I similarly cannot attend the CEE
>>> Conference due to a personal commitment this year. Sometimes there are
>> also
>>> scheduling conflicts: This year the German-speaking WikiCon gathering is
>>> the same weekend as WikiArabia, and WikiCon North America is the same
>>> weekend as WikiIndaba. This means there's always going to be a sense of
>>> missing something important!
>>> 
>>> I would also agree with what Leila shared. I was very appreciative to be
>>> invited to Wikiconvention, WikiArabia, and WikiIndaba this year. But I
>> want
>>> to respect that not every community feels that it is the place of the
>>> Foundation's ED to participate or speak at their events, and that's
>> totally
>>> fine. I don't think people always need to hear from me, but I am always
>>> very happy to support any event in which I am invited!
>>> 
>>> Katherine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
>>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for sharing this Leila! This is of course a useful angle.
>>>> Nattes
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:51, Leila Zia  a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A different angle for looking at the question of WMF staff attending
>>>>> community events which may help this conversation:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As a staff member (and acknowledging that my position is none of the
>>>>> ones Thierry called out in their first email on this thread), with the
>>>>> exception of a few community events, I very much hesitate to attend a
>>>>> local community-run event unless the specific community, or at least
>>>>> one person from that community, has specifically invited me or told me
>>>>> I should consider attending. There is definitely some feeling of
>>>>> fear/self-consciousness on my end about entering in a place where I
>>>>> may not be welcome, where I impose my presence to others, or entering
>>>>> conversations where my expertise may not be valued/considered because
>>>>> I'm carrying a history which may or may not even be really mine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sharing my feelings and the way I think about whether to attend a
>>>>> local event or not here not to ask for empathy in my specific case
>>>>> (which is btw, always welcomed:) but to say that there may be other
>>>>> staff members like me, especially those who have joined WMF more
>>>>> recently, who may be in the same boat. My recommendation would be for
>>>>> the local communities to signal to the specific people which they want
>>>>> in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-17 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
I love the idea of “This
Month in Diversity” although I dont like the word “diversity” 
Nattez 
> Le 17 sept. 2019 à 10:29, Jane Darnell  a écrit :
> 
> This
> Month in Diversity


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-16 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you Katherine,
We will be happy to see you in Tunis!
Along with other reps of the WMF I hope, with the possibility of booking 
appointments with :
- T
- outreach
- grant rep
- tech rep
Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat 

> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 23:54, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just a quick note that I was invited to Wikiconvention on Friday 9 August
> by Wikimedia France. On Monday 12 August (delayed by travel to Wikimania!)
> I sent a note expressing my regrets, as I had a family wedding to attend
> during that same weekend as the Convention. I also asked at the same time
> to be notified as soon as the 2020 Tunis dates were confirmed, so that I or
> other members of the Foundation's leadership team are able to plan to
> attend (and I have already put those dates in my calendar).
> 
> Unfortunately, as all volunteers know, sometimes personal/family
> commitments do preclude travel. I similarly cannot attend the CEE
> Conference due to a personal commitment this year. Sometimes there are also
> scheduling conflicts: This year the German-speaking WikiCon gathering is
> the same weekend as WikiArabia, and WikiCon North America is the same
> weekend as WikiIndaba. This means there's always going to be a sense of
> missing something important!
> 
> I would also agree with what Leila shared. I was very appreciative to be
> invited to Wikiconvention, WikiArabia, and WikiIndaba this year. But I want
> to respect that not every community feels that it is the place of the
> Foundation's ED to participate or speak at their events, and that's totally
> fine. I don't think people always need to hear from me, but I am always
> very happy to support any event in which I am invited!
> 
> Katherine
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for sharing this Leila! This is of course a useful angle.
>> Nattes
>> 
>>> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:51, Leila Zia  a écrit :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> A different angle for looking at the question of WMF staff attending
>>> community events which may help this conversation:
>>> 
>>> As a staff member (and acknowledging that my position is none of the
>>> ones Thierry called out in their first email on this thread), with the
>>> exception of a few community events, I very much hesitate to attend a
>>> local community-run event unless the specific community, or at least
>>> one person from that community, has specifically invited me or told me
>>> I should consider attending. There is definitely some feeling of
>>> fear/self-consciousness on my end about entering in a place where I
>>> may not be welcome, where I impose my presence to others, or entering
>>> conversations where my expertise may not be valued/considered because
>>> I'm carrying a history which may or may not even be really mine.
>>> 
>>> I'm sharing my feelings and the way I think about whether to attend a
>>> local event or not here not to ask for empathy in my specific case
>>> (which is btw, always welcomed:) but to say that there may be other
>>> staff members like me, especially those who have joined WMF more
>>> recently, who may be in the same boat. My recommendation would be for
>>> the local communities to signal to the specific people which they want
>>> in their meetings that they're welcome to attend. At least this way
>>> you will know the person has felt invited/welcomed and will have a
>>> higher chance to decide to attend.
>>> 
>>> To be clear: I'm not saying WMF not attending this specific event
>>> would have been addressed by the above. I don't know. I'm just
>>> explaining one of the reasons this may have happened, and providing a
>>> suggestion to address this specific reason.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Leila
>>> --
>>> Leila Zia
>>> Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:20 AM Philip Kopetzky
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Gereon, you clearly forget the whole Mediaviewer saga and attendance of
>> WMF
>>>> staff at the following WikiCon in Cologne ;-) But that was a long time
>> ago
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 01:53, Gereon Kalkuhl 
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since 2010 we have the WikiCon for the German language communities with
>>>>> more than 300 attendants. I don't remember that the WMF has sent anyo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-16 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Jane,
Thank you for your answer, but I think I did not make my point clear enough 
given the answer you made. 
On the francophone wiki there is not “local WIR”. There are a few sister 
projects like les sans pages of which I am the founder (so people might turn to 
me  for questions) or ateliers femmes et féminismes, Wikimatrimoine ect. I 
think we view WIR as a sister project, not as an umbrella. We would like equal 
access to ressources, finance and management, which is why it is important for 
us to have WMF reps at our regional events. Local chapters are great, but it’s 
not the same. I have tried to go to as many international events as possible, 
because this is where you learn about the politics and new tools and financing 
possibilities. I could not go most of the time because our project was very 
successful. and nearly every two week two there are events and because I have a 
family too, and limited finances. So yes, having a person representing outreach 
would have been great. I think we need T and Outreach to be there, with the 
possibility of booking appointments. 

I was writing about rapid grants not questions about wikipedia, saying  that 
local reps are worried about the way rapid grants have been designed with 
timing to apply according to themes.
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project/Rapid/Learn
What was great about rapid grants was:
-flexibility : you could ask for funding anytime and receive it within 3 weeks 
(now you have to apply between the 1rst and 15th of each month and decision is 
made one month after)
- for certain themes you can only apply at certain time in the year making it 
very rigid. No doubt volunteers will miss lots of opportunities because of 
this. 
IMO the major asset of the rapid grants, flexibiiity and speed to adapt to 
volunteers fluctuating engagement is now gone. Why? 

I copy and paste below the new rules. I was wondering why this new ruling is in 
place as it seems to some volunteers very complicated and rigid as opposed to 
the last system.
I was wondering if the advice of volunteers was taken into account. 

You must submit your application between the 1st and 15th of each month. Please 
plan to make your applications accordingly, so you will have a decision about 
your grant within the timeframe you need to plan your event. Decisions will be 
made by the 15th of the following month.
In the months specified below, we will prioritize support to contests and 
campaigns. These months will be solely dedicated to different contests 
throughout the year:
August: only receiving proposals for Wiki Loves Monuments
September: only receiving proposals for Awareness Grants(campaign)
December: only receiving proposals for Wiki Loves Africa
January: only receiving proposals for Art + Feminism (campaign)
March: only receiving proposals for Wiki Loves Earth
Outside the months specified above, proposals are welcomed in all other 
categories: edit-a-thons, contests, photowalks, general promotion campaigns, 
and video campaigns. We will also consider proposals outside of these 
categories, such as software development.
I hope I have clarified a little what I meant, which is basically that WMF is 
so useful that until regional hubs are set up if they are, we need them more 
present at our events. 

Kind regards,
Natacha 

> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 08:45, Jane Darnell  a écrit :
> 
> As far as Art+Feminism goes, this project concentrates on biographies of
> female artists. The English Wikipedia project "Women in Red" is open 24x7
> all year round and concentrates on biographies of women on English
> Wikipedia, period. So you can take all of your local Wikipedia questions
> about A+F to your local WiR women for each non-English Wikipedia, and if
> there is no overlap yet, I suggest starting your own local A+F/WiR in your
> local Wikipedia. We should probably start a multi-lingual one for Commons,
> since it has proven so difficult to get pictures of female artists to
> illustrate articles about them.
> 
> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 8:27 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Thierry. To be honnest a few of us were really waiting for
>> Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement because we had
>> questions for her about the new rapid grant funding agenda which seems
>> totally inadapted to volunteer’s need in terms of flexibility. One has to
>> wait a soecific month for Art+feminism and very often the timing has not
>> been adapted to when the events are actually taking place. For a volunteer
>> this is way too procedural. We need more flexibility.
>> We had other questions regarding the departure of several people which
>> were very important for the gender gap.
>> So ... Some of us were disappointed indeed.
>> Kind regards,
>> Natacha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-16 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thanks for sharing this Leila! This is of course a useful angle. 
Nattes

> Le 16 sept. 2019 à 21:51, Leila Zia  a écrit :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> A different angle for looking at the question of WMF staff attending
> community events which may help this conversation:
> 
> As a staff member (and acknowledging that my position is none of the
> ones Thierry called out in their first email on this thread), with the
> exception of a few community events, I very much hesitate to attend a
> local community-run event unless the specific community, or at least
> one person from that community, has specifically invited me or told me
> I should consider attending. There is definitely some feeling of
> fear/self-consciousness on my end about entering in a place where I
> may not be welcome, where I impose my presence to others, or entering
> conversations where my expertise may not be valued/considered because
> I'm carrying a history which may or may not even be really mine.
> 
> I'm sharing my feelings and the way I think about whether to attend a
> local event or not here not to ask for empathy in my specific case
> (which is btw, always welcomed:) but to say that there may be other
> staff members like me, especially those who have joined WMF more
> recently, who may be in the same boat. My recommendation would be for
> the local communities to signal to the specific people which they want
> in their meetings that they're welcome to attend. At least this way
> you will know the person has felt invited/welcomed and will have a
> higher chance to decide to attend.
> 
> To be clear: I'm not saying WMF not attending this specific event
> would have been addressed by the above. I don't know. I'm just
> explaining one of the reasons this may have happened, and providing a
> suggestion to address this specific reason.
> 
> Best,
> Leila
> --
> Leila Zia
> Principal Research Scientist, Head of Research
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:20 AM Philip Kopetzky
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Gereon, you clearly forget the whole Mediaviewer saga and attendance of WMF
>> staff at the following WikiCon in Cologne ;-) But that was a long time ago
>> :-)
>> 
>>> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 01:53, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since 2010 we have the WikiCon for the German language communities with
>>> more than 300 attendants. I don't remember that the WMF has sent anyone
>>> to these conventions. And why should they? It's all in German, the
>>> communities are established and have strong chapters. I suppose the same
>>> applies to the French language communites. The WMF visits emerging
>>> communities, to learn about them and to help them by transfering
>>> knowlege. They visit the CEE meetings, they visit Wiki Indabas. I don't
>>> think that the WMF is neglecting big communities, it rather makes sense
>>> that when sending employes across half the planet they check before,
>>> what benefits the conferences have from their attendance and what
>>> benefits their attendance bring to the particpants of the conference.
>>> Cheers, Gereon
>>> 
 Am 15.09.2019 um 20:02 schrieb Thierry Coudray:
 "*The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking
>>> contributors*".
 This harsh sentence is the translation of a statement in French, I've
>>> just
 said in a conversation a week ago at the Francophone Wikiconvention held
 last weekend in Brussels. The statement may seem excessive, because the
 Foundation does things for the Francophone community as well as for other
 communities (and its website is fairly well translated into French). But
>>> it
 reflected my feeling, shared by my three interlocutors, all non-French,
 facing that no Foundation high-level members were present to this
 Wikiconvention: no executive director, nor members of the Board, nor any
 level-C staff. In an another conversation, where the subject came up over
 again, someone said this absence was offensive. I do not know if it
 reflects the majority of attendees feelings but with varying degrees, I
 would said it was widely shared.
 
 In 2017, for the Francophone Wikiconvention in Strasbourg we had a very
 quick visit of Katherine Maher, in 2018, a simple video message and in
>>> 2019
 ... nothing. At the same time, the Francophone Wikiconvention has stepped
 up with ever more participants, always more countries represented. This
 year, it brought together more than 220 Francophones, Algerian, Belgian,
 Beninese, Cameroonian, Canadian, French, Guinean, Ivorian, Swiss and
 Tunisian contributors, and I may forget some, with varied and enriching
 conferences and meetings. A huge success, very well organized by
>>> employees
 but also by several volunteers, who dedicated time and energy. This
 Wikiconvention and the projects and achievements submitted have shown the
 French-speaking Wikimedia community vitality, which will continue to
>>> grow.
 FYI, French is 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-15 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you Thierry. To be honnest a few of us were really waiting for Valerie 
D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement because we had questions for her 
about the new rapid grant funding agenda which seems totally inadapted to 
volunteer’s need in terms of flexibility. One has to wait a soecific month for 
Art+feminism and very often the timing has not been adapted to when the events 
are actually taking place. For a volunteer this is way too procedural. We need 
more flexibility. 
We had other questions regarding the departure of several people which were 
very important for the gender gap. 
So ... Some of us were disappointed indeed. 
Kind regards,
Natacha 



> Le 15 sept. 2019 à 20:02, Thierry Coudray  a écrit :
> 
> Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement,


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I 
personnally find that the actions of  Trust& Safety  very valuable and wise. I 
totally support and trust their judgement. 

I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official 
chapter representants and employees publicly supporting alleged offenders, 
showing no aknowledgement of the fact that this is very toxic for alleged 
victims, and does not help to change attitude towards issues of harrassment. 

How can we feel safe in the movement if the decisions of T are questionned by 
official members of our movement? 

Nattes à chat





Le 21 juin 2019 à 01:04, Chris Keating  a écrit :

>> 
>> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
>> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone
>> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to
>> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was affected
>> by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when you
>> grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
>> feelings of others."
>> 
>> If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
>> Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
>> this thread.
> 
> 
> Thank you, Molly, for expressing what I was just trying to summon the
> energy to write.
> 
> Chris
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week?

2019-06-12 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
What’s making me happy is also sad (how can one separate hapiness from sadness 
as you obviously need one to measure the other). My mom is in hospital, her 
breath cancer spreaded again with metastasis. Yep, looks bad. 

But I discovered a thread which was shared on twitter by francophone 
wikipedians by the sixth form poet and we laughed so much... I had to stop 
reading the puns as she held her sides telling me it was hurting her. 

It was great she could forget the pain for a moment. #metoo

Here is one of his puns : 
https://twitter.com/sixthformpoet/status/617649146841989120?s=21

People found guilty of not using punctuation deserve the longest sentence 
possible.

We also appreciated the story of the cemetary. Weird but sweet. 
https://twitter.com/sixthformpoet/status/1137658720698228736?s=21


And another thing, in times of great pressure, I take time to make myself a 
vegan jogurt, very very slowly. This is how it looks like : 
Cos wikimedian geeks need to get involved in some kind of earthly activities 
for a change and to balance the sometimes extreme emotions we experience in our 
heated debates. I will also at one point when it stops raining take a book and 
wander of the Rhone with my kayak to find moments of peace : 



If you come to Geneva and you want a ride, shout (you will probably have to 
bring earplugs too if you want a peaceful ride as I am an awful chatterbox). 

That’s all geeks! 

Nattes à chat

> Le 11 juin 2019 à 22:09, Pine W  a écrit :
> 
> Hello colleagues,
> 
> I hope that you feel welcome to add your own comments to this email thread.
> Your participation would be appreciated, including starting these threads
> in future weeks.
> 
> I like this
> 
> Commons Picture of the Day. The photo is of a sun parakeet. The photo was
> taken on the Canary Islands.
> 
> The May issue 
> of *This Month in GLAM* was published.
> 
> What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any
> language.
> 
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you and farewell

2019-05-17 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Sati,

I wish you all the best for the future and I feel like we are losing a very 
valuable person. 
Thank for sharing your thoughts about the “limit of knowledge”. Of course some 
of us would certainly like to know why we are losing you. I would in any case. 

Kind regards,

Natacha 




>> Le 17 mai 2019 à 01:50, Isarra Yos  a écrit :
>> 
>> On 16/05/2019 23:29, Joseph Fox wrote:
>> Maybe let's not turn this into a debate about what epistemology is.
> 
> Would this really be the Wikimedia we all know and love if we didn't?
> 
> Regardless, I'm glad Sati took the time to write this up. I thought it was an 
> excellent description of just how truly terrible and wonderful things can be 
> around here, and such poetry put to words only does us good, really. Now 
> let's bikeshed!
> 
> -I
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank Andrew for summing up all the issues around this rebranding issue. I 
really dont believe it should be done. 
I can’t see that  this could be done without community consultation. I doubt 
all versions of wikipedia could agree in a unanimous move. 
How would Wikipedia be named if wikimedia takes its name?
As a wikimedian, I think that Wikimedia is just a lot more than Wikipedia, and 
that the similarity of the names already establishes a link between the two. 

Kind regards, 

Natacha / Nattes à chat


> Le 10 avr. 2019 à 21:05, Andrew Lih  a écrit :
> 
> I agree with Galder's and Camelia's thoughts and believe we should slow
> down to think about this issue as a whole. We cannot, and should not,
> consider this purely a "branding" exercise because the internal and
> external risks go well beyond this. We need to carefully take them into
> consideration.
> 
> At the Berlin Wikimedia Summit, I was asked by Zack McCune and Heather
> Walls about the branding issue. We talked about this at length so here is a
> summary of what I expressed to them:
> 
> - Outside view: I respect the work the comms/branding team has done, but
> let's remember that the recommendations are from an outside consultancy
> that focuses on only one dimension of this issue. Their work does not
> consider our internal community and movement dynamics as a whole. So the
> recommendation should be seen as just one data point.
> 
> - Unproven causality: While it's true that familiarity of the "Wikimedia"
> brand is low, the case has not been made that unifying our identity under
> "Wikipedia" is a solution for the particular markets in question. There are
> many other factors regarding adoption and recognition of any brand, not
> just Wikimedia, including the commercial context of mobile/Internet users
> and default consumer entry points to the information landscape (ie. search
> engine settings, starting home page, financial incentives and
> partnerships). Other factors are: first mover advantages (e.g. Korea, with
> Naver.com's dominance over Wikipedia), or government regulation (e.g.
> China, Turkey censorship) that affect any brand footprint. Remaking our
> whole identity for the possibility that we *might* get better recognition
> in certain markets needs much more careful study.
> 
> - That was then, this is now: If this was 10 years ago, I would
> enthusiastically embrace the idea of putting everything under the Wikipedia
> umbrella. In 2003, before the WMF had staff and resources, I was one of the
> primary volunteer contacts for almost all press inquiries about Wikipedia.
> I know the headaches of having to explain what "Wikimedia" is to
> journalists and the public. The book I wrote in 2009 was titled "The
> Wikipedia Revolution" for name recognition, even though I knew "Wikimedia"
> would be more accurate. But that was then. We are a whole lot more than
> Wikipedia today.
> 
> - We stand on three legs (and more): If there was ever a time that
> Wikimedia was more than Wikipedia, it is now. The trio of Wikipedia,
> Commons and Wikidata is the bedrock of open knowledge sharing in a way that
> was not true even 3 years ago. Wikimedia Commons is a community of its own
> with users of its content who never touch Wikipedia. See the many news
> outlets and publications that use now use CC licensed Commons images to use
> as visuals for their stories and products. Wikidata has quickly emerged as
> the de facto way for libraries, archives and museums to connect their
> metadata to each other. They are adopting it as their global crosswalk
> database that has been proven to be more scalable and highly available than
> anything in the information landscape. Wikidata is now regularly
> incorporated into conferences outside of our own Wikimedia community, and
> has the largest museum and library groups (Europeana, AAC, OCLC, IFLA-WLIC,
> et al) working with it.
> 
> Many times, I've had librarians and curators tell me the equivalent of: "I
> never engaged with Wikipedia, because 'article writing' is not what we do.
> But metadata and authority control records on Wikidata coincide with what I
> do every day." I just had a phone call with a prominent museum collections
> manager who said her goal was to eliminate their own local metadata
> vocabulary in favor of using all Wikidata Q numbers instead. We are
> reaching a new public with Commons and Wikidata that many Wikipedians, and
> WMF employees, may not be aware of.
> 
> - Wikipedia has a systemic bias: The biggest problem with Wikipedia is that
> you have to know how to read. This sounds ridiculously obvious but
> consider: in developing countries, we're often looking at a maximum 70%
> literacy rate. That's a big hurdle for our strategic goal of knowledge
> equity. We have yet to tap into video, multimedia, interactive and audio
> content as a major mode of knowledge sharing. What of oral histories or
> nontraditional/non-academic forms of human knowledge? The Wikipedia
> community 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"

2019-03-06 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Peter, 

It

> Le 6 mars 2019 à 08:25, Peter Southwood  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Natasha,
> I seldom rush to be the first to express an opinion. It may be that this 
> humour has deeply affected some people, but it is my considered opinion that 
> they have jumped to a conclusion without due reflection themselves. Accusing 
> a person with no known history of baiting people for their gender 
> identification of doing just that, when they tried to make it clear that that 
> was not their intention within the constraints of not over-explaining a joke, 
> seems like attempting to use the article for political purposes to push an 
> agenda for special use of terminology on Wikipedia which is not used by 
> reliable sources by claiming extreme outrage. Maybe I am wrong, but that is 
> what it looks like to me. I can imagine other alternatives too, and they are 
> even worse. 
> As far as I am aware, we are having the conversation freely, so yes, by all 
> means. 
> The "joked about party" can express what they feel about such "jokes", and 
> are doing so to the extent that they appear to consider it quite OK to assume 
> that their assumption that they are the target of the jokes is true because 
> they choose to take it that way, and that the word of the author is 
> irrelevant, and that it is perfectly acceptable to harass someone because 
> they chose to be offended. This may be happening with others who do not feel 
> personally targeted too, but I don’t know what  their reasoning is.
> Cheers, 
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
> Sent: 05 March 2019 16:12
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"
> 
> Hi Peter, 
> 
> Please take time to reflect that this humour has deeply affected some people 
> (and not only the persons who outed publicly taking risks), hence the 
> reaction. To those who do not understand how LGBTIQ people feel about jokes 
> on their identity and the legitimate desire that adequate language be used to 
> express it might just seem superfluous and look like an overreaction, but it 
> does echo a deep suffering which takes place after being joked about 
> virtually everywhere and not being able to express opinion when on the 
> otherside, freedom of speech is invoked to promote such jokes. Advocates of 
> freedom of speech do not try to silence opinions. 
> Just look at what happened recently in France around the Ligue du lol affair, 
> and maybe you will understand what is at stake here (1). 
> 
> Jokes are not bad in themselves, they become problematic when they 
> systematically target the same group of people (women, LGBTIQ  people, 
> minorities ect...) , and when they are issued systematically by the same 
> group of people not aware of their own priviledge, and when they are 
> disseminated through official channels. They can pave the way to problematic 
> behaviors if the « joked about party » cannot in turn express freely what 
> they feel about these jokes. 
> I have a request : can we have the conversation freely? 
> This is in no way underevaluating the value of the Signpost and the 
> remarkable work done by people like you.
> Maybe more articles on the subject of harassement and gender issues are 
> needed in the Signpost to adress this issue, to lay down the cards, and maybe 
> not in humour tone.
> To finish  I want to thank Barbara  from the bottom of my heart  for showing 
> willingness to apologize and understand (because the effect of this is 
> soothing and shows willingness to understand) and I thank Fae for speaking 
> out. 
> If all protagonists could now calm down and consider that the very fact the 
> conversation is taking place is positive, I think we would all have gained in 
> freedom of speech. 
> 
> Good afternoon, 
> 
> Nattes à chat
> 
> (1) 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/world/europe/la-ligue-du-lol-sexual-harassment.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 5 mars 2019 à 10:07, Peter Southwood  a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
>> Overreacting is a tradition at Wikipedia. 
>> Cheers, 
>> Peter
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Michel Vuijlsteke
>> Sent: 03 March 2019 19:49
>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"
>> 
>> I don't understand in which possible world anyone thought this was a good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"

2019-03-05 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Peter, 

Please take time to reflect that this humour has deeply affected some people 
(and not only the persons who outed publicly taking risks), hence the reaction. 
To those who do not understand how LGBTIQ people feel about jokes on their 
identity and the legitimate desire that adequate language be used to express it 
might just seem superfluous and look like an overreaction, but it does echo a 
deep suffering which takes place after being joked about virtually everywhere 
and not being able to express opinion when on the otherside, freedom of speech 
is invoked to promote such jokes. Advocates of freedom of speech do not try to 
silence opinions. 
Just look at what happened recently in France around the Ligue du lol affair, 
and maybe you will understand what is at stake here (1). 

Jokes are not bad in themselves, they become problematic when they 
systematically target the same group of people (women, LGBTIQ  people, 
minorities ect...) , and when they are issued systematically by the same group 
of people not aware of their own priviledge, and when they are disseminated 
through official channels. They can pave the way to problematic behaviors if 
the « joked about party » cannot in turn express freely what they feel about 
these jokes. 
I have a request : can we have the conversation freely? 
This is in no way underevaluating the value of the Signpost and the remarkable 
work done by people like you.
Maybe more articles on the subject of harassement and gender issues are needed 
in the Signpost to adress this issue, to lay down the cards, and maybe not in 
humour tone.
To finish  I want to thank Barbara  from the bottom of my heart  for showing 
willingness to apologize and understand (because the effect of this is soothing 
and shows willingness to understand) and I thank Fae for speaking out. 
If all protagonists could now calm down and consider that the very fact the 
conversation is taking place is positive, I think we would all have gained in 
freedom of speech. 

Good afternoon, 

Nattes à chat

(1) 
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/world/europe/la-ligue-du-lol-sexual-harassment.html





> Le 5 mars 2019 à 10:07, Peter Southwood  a 
> écrit :
> 
> "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
> Overreacting is a tradition at Wikipedia. 
> Cheers, 
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Michel Vuijlsteke
> Sent: 03 March 2019 19:49
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of Wikimedia projects for anti-LGBT+ "humour"
> 
> I don't understand in which possible world anyone thought this was a good
> idea.
> 
> The MfD, that is. It, and the entire discussion in favour, reads as some
> sort of caricature of the worst SJW-type excesses.
> 
> M.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 16:41, Fæ  wrote:
>> 
>> As the last second repost had the same format error, I am trying for a
>> final time. How embarrassing!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I would like to apologise to SMcCandlish and Barbara (WVS), and more
>> generally to the Wikipedia community, for any possible implication
>> given in my previous email to this list, that authors of the
>> problematic Signpost "Pronouns beware" essay, might in any way be
>> thought to be transphobic. This was an important matter to word
>> precisely and accurately. I take responsibility and apologise, it was
>> stupid of me to fail to ensure that there could be no way that my
>> words might appear to be intended as an attack on the person, rather
>> than criticism of the judgement used when writing this essay, and the
>> choice to publish it on Wikipedia.
>> 
>> I refrained from correcting this email previously, as it was thought
>> to be better to avoid stirring up any further drama, however this was
>> being interpreted by one of the authors as deliberately avoiding
>> making any correction.[1] I apologise for that misjudgement, and my
>> failure to understand how a delay would appear. My thanks go to
>> SMcCandlish for raising their complaint that a correction was needed.
>> 
>> The rest of this email runs on the long side, if you have been
>> following the deletion discussion, there is probably nothing new here.
>> :-)
>> 
>> My action in acting transparently as a whistleblower, was to criticise
>> the editorial judgement of creating an essay which made jokes about
>> pronoun usage which would, and has, been read as making a bad joke
>> that mocks genderqueer and transgender people. This problem of how the
>> article could be read, was raised by others before publication.
>> Overwhelmingly the deletion discussion created for the essay has had
>> feedback from many long term and experienced Wikipedians who were
>> alarmed and upset that the article was published without this problem
>> being acted on, and either halting publication, or ensuring a
>> resubmission so there could be no confusion that the article appeared
>> abusive or a failure to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiGap 2019

2019-02-22 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thanks for sharing this Mia!  Îm really glad to read that it can be an ongoing 
project and not just an equality token on March, 8. 

I have a question: do you have a budget for transportation for people who want 
to attend and babysitting facilities? 
Could it be possible for organizers to get a volunteering certificate from the 
sweedish embassy as a  kind of aknowledgement of the work done? 

Thank you for your commitment on these issues!

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat 

> Le 21 févr. 2019 à 16:19, Mia Jacobsson  a écrit :
> 
> WikiGap 8 March 2019
> 
> 
> WikiGap is an initiative taken to close the gender gap and other gaps
> relevant for diversity of Wikipedia. The initiative is made possible by a
> cooperation between Wikimedia Sverige, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign
> Affairs, Swedish embassies and Wikimedia affiliates, volunteers and local
> organizations around the world. WikiGap was first organized in March 2018
> and now we would like to do it again. We are planning to organize several
> Wikipedia edit-a-thons during 8 March 2019. The purpose of the edit-a-thons
> is to create more articles about women to achieve a more gender-equal
> Internet – and a more gender-equal world and by doing so reduce the gender
> gap a bit.
> 
> The 8 March is just the starting point of the campaign. If the embassy,
> your local partner and you finds a better date to cooperate and implement a
> WikiGap event during 2019 then that also works.
> 
> Main page on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap
> 
> The background to WikiGap 2019
> 
> The initiative started in March 2017 with a sister edit-a-thon in four
> languages between the Swedish embassy in New Delhi and Stockholm
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India-Sweden_edit-a-thon.
> 
> During 2017 the Swedish embassies in Pretoria and Washington DC also
> successfully hosted Wikipedia edit-a-thons with Wikimedia chapters. In 2018
> The Ministry of Foreign Affairs wanted to increase outreach and the number
> of partnering Wikimedia affiliates and we decided to implement WikiGap 2018
> together.
> 
> Together with the Ministry we have developed a toolkit for how embassies
> should organise Wikipedia edit-a-thons, and they are committed to surfacing
> the achievements of women in the world’s largest encyclopedia, in
> partnership with Wikimedia affiliates and other local organisations.
> 
> Changes from previous year
> 
> This year we’re also going to have an online-competition which is called
> the WikiGap Challenge during the first month of WikiGap.
> 
> The WikiGap Challenge is an attempt to connect the individual events with
> each other. It is also a possibility for the organizing Wikimedia
> organizations and volunteers to highlight important women from their
> context that they believe deserve articles on multiple languages.
> 
> More information about the contest will be shared with local organizers
> shortly
> 
> and on the WikiGap Campaign portal on Meta.
> 
> 
> How you can join?
> 
> The WikiGap invites broad and diverse participation, just like last year,
> and allows for local adaptations to the theme. If you think that you have
> an interest in taking part of WikiGap but have any questions about the
> implementation you can either contact the Swedish embassy in your country,
> they have all the material that you need to make this event a success, or
> you can send me a question – I’m more than happy to help you sort out some
> question marks.I will be out of office February 25 to March 4 so please
> send a copy of your request to i...@wikimedia.se and someone at the office
> will get back to you as soon as possible.
> 
> If you don’t think that you will be the main organizer of WikiGap in your
> country or if you are a part of a larger team, I, as part of coordinating
> the WikiGap, would like you to please help share this information with the
> right individuals.
> 
> Are you interested in taking part of WikiGap 2019?
> 
> Please send me an email to confirm your interest. At the WikiGap portal
>  on Meta you can find a list of
> WikiGap events . Use this
> space to find events and share details of your own WikiGap event, such as
> user name of the organizer(s), your local theme and if you’re merging the
> event with other wiki initiatives.
> 
> Here you will find some more information about WikiGap:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiGap/Events
> 
> Join WikiGap on Programs & Events Dashboard to show impact
> 
> We also have a WikiGap campaign 2019
> 
> up on Programs & Events dashboard
>  to
> facilitate running and keeping track of all events on various language
> version. Please go in there and register your event as soon as possible.
> 
> Please help us spread the word about WikiGap.
> 
> Best 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Wikimedians, with love from our donors

2019-02-14 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Dear Caitlin, 

Thank you for this inspiring message! 

With Wikilove then...

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> Le 14 févr. 2019 à 18:17, Caitlin Cogdill  a écrit :
> 
> In January, the WMF fundraising team asked our donors a single question: is
> there anything you want to say to the volunteers who make the Wikimedia
> projects possible?The result was enchanting. More than 5,000 donors took
> the opportunity to express their thanks, gratitude, and love for the
> contributors who give the world the joy of free and open knowledge. Today
> is Valentine’s Day, a holiday that, at least in our modern world, is about
> expressing love for the individuals in our lives who make the world just a
> bit sweeter.We thought this was the perfect opportunity to pass all this
> wikilove over to you. Today, we get to play Cupid, nurturing the lasting
> partnership between our contributors and donors that has helped Wikipedia
> blossom in its 18 years of existence.
> 
> *Read our donors' messages to you, the contributors to Wikimedia projects,
> here: *
> *https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Donor_love
>  *
> 
> -- 
> Caitlin Cogdill
> Senior Fundraising Email Manager
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality!
> 
> *https://donate.wikimedia.org *
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Love on Wikipedia with a gender gap focus!

2019-02-07 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi, 

You probably all know that the Commons contest Wiki Loves Love (WLL) started 
since last friday. 

What you might not know yet is that we are now having a multilingual wikipedian 
contest running at the same time from February 10 to March 31st.

The idea is to generate wikipedian content on the same very theme : festivals, 
ceremonies, testimonies, gestures and other symbols of love, and if possible 
use the photos generated by Wiki Loves Love to illustrate content on Wikipedia, 
with a special focus on reducing the gender gap, as this idea stems from les 
sans pagEs who has been asked by Psychoslave to collaborate with WLL. We 
thought adding encyclopedic content would create a win win for everybody and 
bring visibility to what we are all doing. 

We have set up a multilingual and multi project page on meta with Rupika. 

To participate you have two options: subscribe individually, or via another 
project. Several projects have already joined and we hope we can have others 
too!

Main page on Meta : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Love_2019#Timeline 


Registration page (individuals AND projects most welcome) : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Loves_Love_2019/Project_Page 


We would gladly accept help to pimp up the page and add ideas on the working 
list as well….

Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation from Wiki Loves Love 2019

2019-01-10 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi, I spoke to Psychoslave and we thought we could contribute on the 
francophone wikipedia by setting up a project page dedicated to contribution on 
the subject of love ceremonies with a gender gap approach. 

I am not very gifted in photographs, but maybe we could try to write articles 
using the Wikiloves photographs? 

If more projects are interested, we could even put up a page on meta. Maybe 
Women in red, Wikimujeres and Wikidonne would like to participate with les sans 
pagEs?

Sending you wikilove! 

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> Le 10 janv. 2019 à 10:23, Rupikaa Sharma  a écrit :
> 
> Love is an important subject for humanity and it is expressed in different
> cultures and regions in different ways across the world through different
> gestures, ceremonies, festivals and to document expression of this rich and
> beautiful emotion, we need your help so we can share and spread the depth
> of cultures that each region has, the best of how people of that region,
> celebrate love.
> 
> Wiki Loves Love (WLL) is an international photography competition of
> Wikimedia Commons with the subject love testimonials happening in the month
> of February from 1th - 28th.
> 
> 
> 
> The primary goal of the competition is to document love testimonials
> through human cultural diversity such as monuments, ceremonies, snapshot of
> tender gesture, and miscellaneous objects used as symbol of love; to
> illustrate articles in the worldwide free encyclopedia Wikipedia, and other
> Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) projects.
> 
> 
> 
> The theme of 2019 WLL is Celebrations, Festivals, Ceremonies and rituals of
> love.
> 
> 
> 
> Sign up your affiliate or individually at
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Love_2019/Participants
> .
> 
> To know more about the contest, check out our Commons Page
> and FAQs
> page .
> 
> There are several prizes to grab. Hope to see you spreading love this
> February with Wiki Loves Love!
> 
> Imagine...The sum of all love!
> 
> Wiki Loves Love team
> 
> Rupika Sharma
> 
> Co-ordinator
> 
> Wiki Loves Love
> 
> *https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Love_2019
> *
> 
> 
> *https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Wikilover90
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMSUMMIT19 - 3 days left to register

2018-12-14 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank you Michelle, I dint see Wikiwomen user group in there…

Kind regards, 

Natacha
> Le 14 déc. 2018 à 15:47, Michelle Poltier  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Dear Wikimedians,
> 
> The deadline to register for the Wikimedia Summit 2019 is in three
> days, on Monday, December 17!
> 
> If you want to be part of the event as a representative of your
> affiliate and haven’t registered yet, do not miss this last chance to
> sign up via the registration form [1]. The link to the registration
> form is at the bottom of the page.
> 
> Registrations from the following affiliates are still missing:
> 
> =Chapters=
> Wikimedia Belgium
> Wikimedia Canada
> Wikimedia Chile
> Wikimedia Danmark
> Wikimedia Eesti
> Wikimedia España
> Wikimedia Suomi
> Wikimédia Magyarország
> Wikimedia India
> Wikimedia Italia
> Wikimedia México
> Wikimedia Norge
> Wikimedia Russia
> Wikimedia Sverige
> Wikimedia Taiwan
> Wikimedia Ukraine
> Wikimedia District of Columbia
> Wikimedia New York City
> Wikimedia Uruguay
> Wikimedia Venezuela
> 
> =Thematic Organizations=
> Amical Wikimedia
> 
> =User Groups=
> Azerbaijani Wikimedians User Group
> Basque Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimedians of Bulgaria User Group
> Wikimedia Community User Group Belarus
> Wikimedia Community User Group in China
> Wikimedia Digitization User Group
> Wikimedia Community User Group Ghana
> Wikimedia Community User Group Greece
> Wikipedia Community Schools Association Greece
> 위키미디어 대한민국(Wikimedians of Korea)
> Wikimedians of the Levant User Group
> Wikimedians of Latvia User Group
> Wikimedia MA User Group (Morocco)
> Maithili Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimedia Community User Group Malta
> Wikimedians of Nepal
> Punjabi Wikimedians
> Wikimedia Community User Group Pakistan
> Wikimedians of Albanian Language User Group
> Tremendous Wiktionary User Group
> Cascadia Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimedians of Colorado User Group
> Florida Librarians of Wikipedia User Group
> Georgia Piedmont Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimedians of Iowa User Group
> Kentucky Wikimedians User Group
> North Carolina Triangle Wikipedians User Group
> New England Wikimedians
> Ohio Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimujeres
> Wikisource Community User Group
> WikiToLearn User Group
> WikiConference North America
> WikiDonne
> Wikimaps User Group
> Hindi Wikimedians User Group
> Wikimedia Tool Developers Group
> Wikimedia and Libraries User Group
> Wikimedians of Cameroon User Group
> Wikimedians of Chicago User Group
> San Diego Wikimedians User Group
> 
> =Allied Organizations=
> Centre for Internet & Society - Access to Knowledge Program
> 
> To enhance the anticipation for the event and to find out who you’re
> going to meet at the Wikimedia Summit, feel free to review the current
> list of participants [2].
> 
> You can reach out to us any time via wmsum...@wikimedia.de should you
> have any questions or comments.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Michelle
> For the Wikimedia Summit Organizing Team
> Wikimedia Deutschland
> wmsum...@wikimedia.de
> 
> [1] 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Registration_Information
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019/Participants%27_List
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Writing weeks started about German-speaking Community

2018-12-09 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Riomaine Thank you! Do you think you could put the working list on metal and 
have sections in the different languages? It would make it easier. That’s what 
we did with the Wikialpen forum where three languages were involved.

Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat


> Le 10 déc. 2018 à 06:53, Romaine Wiki  a écrit :
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> From Monday 10 December to Friday 21 December we (community/Wikimedia
> Belgium) organise the writing weeks about the German-speaking Community of
> Belgium.
> 
> The German-speaking Community is one of the three communities in Belgium,
> located near the border with Germany and comprises nine municipalities:
> Amel, Büllingen, Burg-Reuland, Bütgenbach, Eupen, Kelmis, Lontzen, Raeren
> and Sankt Vith. The area stretches from the 3-country point near Vaals
> (Netherlands) in the north to the 3-country point near Ouren and Luxembourg
> in the south.
> 
> This area is unfortunately only very limited described on Wikipedia. That
> is why we invite you to write on Wikipedia about this area and help to fill
> this gap bit by bit.
> 
> Please add the articles you write or translate to the project page. In this
> way we know what has been done and it can stimulate other writers to write
> and translate.
> 
> Project page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Writing_week/German-speaking_Community_of_Belgium
> 
> 
> If you would like to stay informed about future writing weeks, please add
> yourself to the mass message list and receive a message when a new writing
> week starts:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_message_delivery/Targets/WritingWeek
> 
> For those who are in the area, on Saturday 15 December we also organise and
> edit-a-thon in Eupen, the capital of this area.
> 
> Greetings from Belgium!
> 
> Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Avoiding sensory overload at Wikimedia Events

2018-10-25 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Hi Michelle,

 during the francophone wikiconvention we had a special calm room for people 
who need to retire a moment from the crowd because of special needs they could 
have. We were asked also not to come nearby with perfumes and other sensory 
distractions. 

A calm room for other people (breastfeeding moms, tired or stressed out 
speakers ect), anybody needing a little rest would be real cool I think. 

Also we were given advice at the beginning of the convention that we should not 
force people to present themselves in a group and accept the idea of touching 
people can be felt as being intrusive for some. 

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat

> Le 15 oct. 2018 à 15:38, Michelle Boon  a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Like many other affiliates, Wikimedia Nederland hosts several events per
> year. We do our best to make these events an inclusive and pleasant
> environment for all participants.
> 
> Last summer, there was a mail thread on Wikimedia-l
> 
> on sensory overload  at
> Wikimedia events. We would like to learn how we can adapt our events to
> support people who experience sensory overload during events. With this we
> hope to create a safe and pleasant environment for all.
> 
> In order to learn, we want to hear from you. We therefore made a page
> with
> more information about this initiative. On the talkpage
> there
> is room for sharing ideas and experiences, and discussing  potential
> solutions.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Michelle Boon
> Event Organiser & Community Support
> Wikimedia Nederland
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Qu'est-ce qui te rend heureuse cette semaine? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 14 October 2018)

2018-10-14 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Great story from Yann, thanks for sharing.

Nattes à chat



> Le 14 oct. 2018 à 23:23, Pine W  a écrit :
> 
> Recently I spent some time on Commons, and I came across two things that I
> especially appreciated.
> 
> The first is a story on Yann's user page
> . While I think that
> experience with participating on public Wikimedia projects is an important
> qualification for many roles in the Wikimedia universe, this story reminds
> the reader to place edit count into a wider perspective.
> 
> ---
> 
> 
> *A novice was once curious about the nature of the Edit Count. He
> approached the Zen master and asked, "Zen master, what is the nature of the
> Edit Count?""The Edit Count is as a road," replied the Zen master. "You
> must travel the road to reach your destination, and some may travel longer
> roads than others. But do not judge the person at your door by the length
> of the road he has travelled to reach you."*
> 
> 
> *And the novice was Enlightened.*
> 
> *---*
> 
> The second thing that I especially liked on Commons is this photo
> 
> that was taken in Laos by Basile Morin. As you can guess, I generally like
> trees.
> 
> On a different subject, Markus Kroetzsch wrote
> 
> to the Wikidata list that he is "happy to report that we" (Stanislav
> Malyshev, Markus Krötzsch, Larry González, Julius Gonsior, and Adrian
> Bielefeldt) "have just won the Best Paper Award of the In-Use track of this
> year's International Semantic Web Conference (ISWC), for our description of
> the SPARQL/RDF technology use on Wikidata. I keep telling people here that
> the general awesomeness of Wikidata is the work of many, and in particular
> of this great community of editors."
> 
> In older news, some time ago I was told about this video on Commons
>  by Trey
> Jones that provides an introduction to full-text search. I thought that
> presentation was very interesting.
> 
> What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to write in any
> language.
> 
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-09 Thread Natacha Rault
Thanks for having this conversation.
Having a balanced life is important, but why should the revenues generated by 
volunteer work not go back to volunteers also? 
In truth, wikimedia projects are addictive, time consuming, they generate 
passionate debates and I have seen many going down the black hole and finding 
it hard to manage “priorities”.
This situation is detrimental to those who struggle most to survive. Should 
contributing  be the activity of only those rich people who can afford to be 
volunteers on their free time? I dont think so.
Tackling with gendergap issues, I see many women not contributing because they 
say “it’s time consuming” and they cant afford it.
I don’t know how to deal with these issues, but at the core of implementing 
“strategic orientations” which include diversity issues, well it is a must have 
conversation.
As for the wikimedia blog I dont really have an idea on that: if the WMF does 
it, finances it, well ... At the same time it would need to remain under free 
licence so that we can use the stories in our projects, because the revenue 
paying it is generated from our volunteer work. 

Have a nice day, I have just bought myself a canoe kayak, which is the only way 
for me not to get entangled in contributing on a bright sunny day.
I cant bring my computer on the river! 
I think we should finance “wikimedians go green off wiki for the week end 
projects”. Some days off the internet walking, swimming, having chats by a fire 
wood and just taking care of ourselves off wiki. 


Nattes à chat 

> Le 10 juin 2018 à 05:38, Bodhisattwa Mandal  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> I hear you.
> 
> I live in that part of the world where getting any job and earning money,
> by any means possible, is the topmost priority of life, as unemployment and
> corruption has become intimate part of most of the people. Involvement in
> volunteer works with no personal or financial gain, is not appreciated at
> all and sanity is frequently questioned even by family members and close
> friends. The real life is far more harsh for us than the issues we face in
> Wikipedia.
> 
> But, I have seen people, who have fought against all extreme odds to create
> contents in Wikimedia. I met an Wikimedian, who would have no food or money
> for the next day to survive, if he didn't go and look for some labour work
> and earn some money for his family, yet learned advanced computer works
> from scratch with the help of a Jurassic age broken laptop gifted by a
> well-wisher and built the most impactful project in his language, believe
> me, I have seen that laptop with my own eyes. I know someone, very close to
> my heart, who once spent the small amount of money he had with him, to pay
> the cyber cafe, he went almost everyday to edit Wikipedia, even if he knew,
> that the money he was spending, was his last resort for that day. These
> Wikimedians are no less than a legend to me and whenever I feel frustrated
> and burnt out, I remember them. I am pretty sure, everyone in this movement
> knows someone amazing.
> 
> You are absolutely right, people who build Wikipedia from their core of
> their heart are not heard or appreciated in larger Wikimedia world, some of
> them are silently contributing forl a long time , without any expectation
> from anyone. On the other hand, I have seen loud mouths  with almost no
> substantial or impactful contribution at all, being featured everywhere on
> a regular basis. That's an unfair world we everyday deal with and Wikimedia
> is not an exception.
> 
> I will totally support you, if you create a meta page for these silent
> volunteers, who needs to be seen.
> 
> Best,
> Bodhisattwa
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 10 Jun 2018, 01:56 David Cuenca Tudela,  wrote:
>> 
>> Aubrey,
>> 
>> You speak so much truth in your words that I'm feeling overwhelmed right
>> now. Because like a doctor who cares about his patient, you have just very
>> lovingly and figuratively told me, "you are deeply sick". It hurts, I
>> struggle accepting the truth, but deep inside I know that the only thing I
>> can do is to acknowledge your words, and as every human before of me ask
>> the perennial questions: "why me? what could have I done differently?"
>> 
>> You are right, I put my whole being into this project, I have seen it as a
>> way to find purpose, meaning, liberation, and instead what I have found is
>> the emptiness, my own and that of the people who are in the same situation
>> as me. Maybe they also need the same things as I do, but we never talked
>> about it so I don't know what they need, they never told me. Unlike other
>> people, however, I do know what I need to find purpose here.
>> 
>> To me purpose comes from the mutual acknowledgment with my peers that we
>> are here for something bigger than ourselves. We might never achieve those
>> dreams, but being next to someone who understands you because they are in
>> the same situation, makes life more bearable. But do we share the same
>> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rebuilding Wikimédia France

2018-06-06 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Charlotte,

Thank you for this thourough update and all the efforts made!
We have felt - as members of WMFR- the wind of change blowing, thank you for 
all the work done and the great effort towards transparency and horizontality.

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat


> Le 5 juin 2018 à 19:30, charlotte.matoussow...@wikimedia.fr a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> 
> 
> As we reflected on our Wikimedia Conference experience and as we just got an 
> answer from the FDC, which we thank warmly, the Wikimédia France Board 
> thought we should give you an update on our current situation.
> 
> 
> 
> Since September 2017, the newly elected Board and the staff have dedicated 
> their energy to the improvement of the governance and an organizational 
> restructuring. We would like to share with the community all the efforts that 
> have been made during the last 8 months in order to restore confidence and to 
> rebuild Wikimédia France.
> 
> 
> 
> First steps
> 
> 
> 
> The first steps we took were:
> 
> * Reopening communication channels with our members;
> 
> * Having two general assemblies[1][2] and widely renewing the Board;
> 
> * Successfully completing the Grant expectations process[3] which had been 
> set by WMF during the 2017 crisis at Wikimédia France;
> 
> * Governance review by external auditors (report will be published soon);
> 
> * Constant discussions with WMF.
> 
> 
> 
> Major staff restructuring
> 
> 
> 
> Since then, a major staff reorganization and a transition to a flatter 
> organization have taken place.
> 
> 
> 
> The two employees at the head of the organization(Executive Director and 
> Deputy Executive Director) of the Association in 2017 left Wikimédia France 
> (WMFr) in the last quarter of the year.
> 
> 
> 
> In order to work on the reorganizing, during the second half of 2017, the 
> Board conducted individual interviews with all employees to establish a 
> general state of the organization and to collect ideas for WMFr's and its 
> staff's future. With those elements in hand, and after several months 
> reflecting and observing how the Association functioned in the absence of 
> salaried management, the Board came to the conclusion that the team's 
> maturity and relative autonomy made possible a less hierarchical organization 
> than the classical one (i.e. “Board / Executive Director / staff”). It has 
> been decided to carry out an internal reorganization of the team, without 
> further recruitment to replace the Directors.
> 
> 
> 
> The new organization unfolds as follows[4]. The Board stays in charge of 
> managing the Association, whilst proceeding to two delegations of power: a 
> delegation to Resources and an operational delegation, each receiving part of 
> the Employer's liability and part of strategic functions. The Board occupies 
> its role in strategy and budget matters, and also reserves the right of final 
> decision for all sensitive Employer competencies (like decisions of 
> dismissal, sanction or recruitment). Our goal here is twofold: to no longer 
> concentrate all responsibilities in the hands of only one person and to 
> minimize the risk of having the Board disempowered by depriving it of its 
> right (and duty) to take fundamental decisions.
> 
> In addition to these HR and Operational delegations of power, he Board is 
> also considering implementing a Financial delegation of power, able to bring 
> together the skills of an accountant and a chartered accountant within the 
> internal staff. This would lead, in the medium term, to an organization 
> presenting as a four-headed structure: Human Resources, Operations , Finances 
> and Board — all of these under the control of the General Assembly.
> 
> 
> 
> To fill the two new positions created, the Board has decided to choose two 
> staff members whom it trusts and whose qualities it has had the opportunity 
> to observe in the past few months: Cindy David for the HR part and Rémy 
> Gerbet for the Operational part. Being aware that an organization without 
> salaried direction is not without difficulties, the Board has decided to 
> begin with a three-month probationary period, during which the work of the 
> two appointees will be evaluated, as well as the ability of the Board itself 
> to properly fulfil its role. At the end of these three months, a first 
> assessment will be made and the new organization will be either validated, 
> abandoned, or tested for three more months before final decision. In order to 
> implement this new organization, our staff will be provided, if need be, with 
> professional training.
> 
> The new structure now counts 8 FTEs, including a newly hired Junior 
> Fundraiser position, instead of 11 in 2017. We are confident that this new 
> structure is well suited to bring Wikimédia France forward effectively.
> 
> 
> 
> The reorganizing of the team also comes with a complete overhaul of the 
> salary grid[5][6].
> 
> 
> 
> Relying on the global Movement
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update #4: Upcoming call for participation in Working Groups

2018-06-06 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Katherine,

Thank very much you for this update. I was working in the “role and 
responsibilities” group in Berlin and the outcome was that we had decided to 
rename it “power dynamics” if I recall correctly.

Now I see this name has not been used, so I feel a little surprized? 

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat 



> Le 7 juin 2018 à 03:36, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It’s been a while since I sent out the last movement strategy update. A lot
> has happened in the meantime, and I wanted to give you a heads-up regarding
> an upcoming call for participation!
> 
> But first things first:
> 
> 1. The report from the Wikimedia Conference Movement Strategy Track
> 
> has been published[1]. It captures all the conversations, insights and
> outputs from three days of intense strategy work, so it’s a (quite) long
> but very interesting read. It is meant to document the state of the process
> and to allow for a deep dive into it. It should be especially valuable for
> those of you who did not have a chance to participate in the conference or
> attended another conference track.
> 
> 2. Based on WMCON outputs (and various conversations we’ve been having in
> our movement for years), the core strategy team has mapped eight key
> thematic areas
> 
> [2] -- and some initial guiding questions -- that should to be answered to
> enable us to advance towards our strategic direction. These areas include:
> 
>   - Roles & Responsibilities
>   - Resource Allocation & Revenue Streams
>   - Diversity
>   - Partnerships
>   - Capacity Building
>   - Community Health
>   - Technology
>   - Advocacy
> 
> 3. The core team will be supporting the creation of Working Groups to take
> on these critical conversations. These working groups will be asked to
> assess the current situation of the thematic area, and obstacles and
> opportunities. They’ll have access to all the relevant information already
> collected, and the chance to do further research if needed. They’ll be
> asked to identify the changes needed in movement structures and develop
> concrete recommendations for the movement on how to ratify and implement
> them.[3] An open call for working group members will go out to the movement
> this week -- please stay tuned for an update from Nicole!
> 
> I also had the chance to present more about these plans at last week’s
> Metrics Meeting. Please do take a look, either look it all up on the
> Meta[3] or watch the video![4]
> 
> Cheers,
> Katherine
> 
> 
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track
> 
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups#What_are_the_key_thematic_areas%3F
> 
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOaiU-v7PbE (from minute 24:25)
> 
> 
> -- 
> Katherine Maher
> 
> Executive Director
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 
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> San Francisco, CA 94104
> 
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> +1 (415) 712 4873
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Natacha Rault
> If not written, how would they be referenced and verified?


Could they possibly be registered in an oral form? 
Could we invent a way of integrating oral sources? We already use radio or 
television sources (also not written...). The only problem with oral sources 
like stories passed on generation to generation is that they are not fixed by 
nature. Fixing them could change the modality of transmission too. 
I suppose these sources could stem from a notorious person of a community who 
would give ID (like journalists do when writting a paper).
Has there been research or projects on this? I suppose Lingua Libre could 
provide information on how to do it. 

Cheers, 

Nattes à chat

> Le 11 mai 2018 à 06:34, Peter Southwood  a 
> écrit :
> If not written, how would they be referenced and verified?
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Jean-Philippe Béland
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 6:28 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
> 
> You are missing the whole point. I'm not talking about second guessing
> sources but rather changing our narrow point of views of what we consider
> sources of knowledge. A lot of cultures are of oral tradition and not
> written.
> 
> JP
> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018, 16:42 Todd Allen,  wrote:
>> 
>> Abandoning notability and verifiability is a wide open sign for spammers
>> and hoaxers. We have enough of that without giving them an engraved
>> invitation.
>> 
>> If published sources are biased, the efforts to correct that should be made
>> at the source (literally) level. Just like rather than "disputing" a
>> reliable source, if we found evidence that contradicts them, we'd ask them
>> to correct, and then once they do we'll update the article accordingly
>> based on their correction. Wikipedia is not there to second-guess what
>> sources choose to publish or find "alternative" or "non-western" or
>> whatever else have you types of information. If our references are flawed,
>> the solution lies in getting them to correct what they're doing, not
>> "correcting" for any perceived bias by editors. We reflect sources, we do
>> not second-guess, dispute, or correct them.
>> 
>> Todd
>> 
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:46 AM, Peter Southwood <
>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> When Wikipedia was new and unknown there were not so many people wanting
>>> to use it for purposes that conflict with our purposes. Times change.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:30 PM
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
>>> 
>>> If we where that septic at the beginning, we will never have started
>>> Wikipedia to begin with. Really, an encyclopedia written by anyone
>> without
>>> any authority to double check before it is published? It is doomed to
>> fail.
>>> Yes, in theory, but practice showed us otherwise. The question is not to
>>> remove notability and verifiability requirements, but to change those
>>> requirements to be more inclusive of different ways of sharing
>> knowledge. I
>>> think practice can show us otherwise in that case too if we are ready to
>> do
>>> that leap of faith, the same way we did at the beginning of Wikipedia
>> when
>>> we opened editing to anybody.
>>> 
>>> JP
>>> 
>>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:05 AM Peter Southwood <
>>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> 
 One Jar'Edo Wens hoax is enough, and that lasted 10 years in spite of
 notability and verifiability requirements, Without the verifiability
 requirement  it would probably still be there. Leaps of faith are
>> things
 that I do not generally do, I am a natural sceptic and prefer evidence,
>>> and
 where possible, reproducible results. When the evidence is intangible,
>>> the
 authors must take responsibility for their work, and that means track
 record and proof of identity.
 This would be more easily fitted into a new project. I do not see it as
 possible in Wikipedia. If the new project became recognised as a
>> reliable
 source then Wikipedia could use it as a source, without destroying the
 credibility we have.
 Cheers,
 Peter
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
 Behalf Of Gnangarra
 Sent: 10 May 2018 15:50
 To: Wikimedia Mailing List
 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems
 
 notability and verifiability are important,  every culture and
>> language
 has this issue when it comes to sharing knowledge.  These culture
>> manage
 successfully to share knowledge many of them long before 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 25 February 2018)

2018-02-26 Thread Natacha Rault
Quelle belle idée de transcender les barrières linguistiques!

Ich finde dass wirklich wichtig dass wir zusammen in verschiedenen Sprachen 
zusammen reden.

я тоже  мненочко по руски гаварю

I’m sure I made mistakes in the last one, but it was fun trying. Thanks Pine 
for this idea! This made me happy  

Nattes à chat 

> Le 26 févr. 2018 à 06:41, Pine W  a écrit :
> 
> (Hello, I am trying something new this week by writing in Spanish. I am
> hoping to encourage people to contribute to this conversation in their
> preferred languages.)
> 
> Hola, estoy intentando algo nuevo esta semana escribiendo en español. Espero
> animar a las personas a contribuir a esta conversación en sus idiomas
> preferidos.
> 
> Algo que me hace feliz esta semana es la disponibilidad de "diffs visuales"
> como se describe en el Blog de la Fundación Wikimedia:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/02/20/visual-diffs/.
> 
> ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana?
> 
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Botswana

2017-12-15 Thread Natacha Rault
Glad to see a new user group in Africa! Welcome and all the best! Nattes à chat
> Le 15 déc. 2017 à 15:52, Samuel Patton  a écrit :
> 
> Awesome! Congratulations and welcome.
> 
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> 
>> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
>> Wikimedia Community User Group Botswana [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The
>> group aims to promote the use of Wikipedia and its sister projects by the
>> residents of Botswana, effectively engaging people to help contribute
>> online content and promoting the use of the free online resources of the
>> Wikimedia Foundation to enhance the life of every individual.
>> 
>> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Lokshin
>> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>> 
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
>> Group_Botswana
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0

2017-11-30 Thread Natacha Rault

> Le 30 nov. 2017 à 00:50, James Hare  a écrit :
> 
> On November 29, 2017 at 3:33:47 PM, Scott MacLeod (
> worlduniversityandsch...@gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> Dear Lydia, Mathieu, Nicolas and All,
> 
> I'm seeking a clarification here to "An answer to Lydia Pintscher regarding
> its considerations on Wikidata and CC-0" re the implications of CC-0
> licensing for Wikidata say in comparison with CC-4 licensing.
> 
> If CC-0 licensing allows for commercial use -
> "Once the creator or a subsequent owner of a work applies CC0 to a work,
> the work is no longer his or hers in any meaningful sense under copyright
> law. Anyone can then use the work in any way and for any purpose, including
> commercial purposes, subject to other laws and the rights others may have
> in the work or how the work is used. Think of CC0 as the "no rights
> reserved" option " (https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/CC0_FAQ ) ...
> 
> ... and, by contrast, CC-4 licensing (say by MIT OpenCourseWare in its 7
> languages, for example, - where its CC-4 licensing allows for "sharing"
> "adapting" but "non-commercially"), what would CC-0 Wikidata licensed
> databases allow for commercially? Since Wikidata, or Wikisource or Project
> Wikicite in particular, for example, are licensed CC-0 licensing option,
> could (CC) Bookstores, for example, use this CC-0 licensing, in all 295 of
> Wikipedia's languages, for the books in their (online) bookstores? (Also
> are there any data, or sister projects, affiliated with Wikidata that are
> not CC-0 re https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Lydia_Pintscher_%28WMDE%
> 29/CC-0 ? )
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> CC-0 is functionally equivalent to the public domain. Anything released
> under CC-0 can be used by anyone for any reason with no conditions
> whatsoever. For more information see <
> https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/>. Since
> Wikidata’s data is released under CC-0, it can be used by anyone for any
> reason with no conditions.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> James Hare
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] First content made for Wikipedia in space!

2017-11-29 Thread Natacha Rault
Thank you so much for letting us know, it was really interesting. it would be 
great to have some workshops just to record voices. 
Nattes à chat
> 
> Le 29 nov. 2017 à 21:01, Chris Keating  a écrit :
> 
> Glad to see that the final frontier is falling to Wikipedia! Lovely blog post 
> Andy.
> 
> This reminds me that (entirely separately) there was an initiative to send 
> copies of Wikipedia into space, does anyone know if that every happened?
> 
> Chris
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Andy Mabbett
> Sent: 29 November 2017 15:58
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] First content made for Wikipedia in space!
> 
> As some of you may have seen on social media already, the first ever
> content made specifically for Wikipedia, in space, was uploaded to
> Commons today, and is now in use on Wikipedia articles.
> 
> ESA astronaut Paolo Nespoli made recordings of his speaking voice in
> English and his native Italian, as part of the 'Voice Intro Project'.
> 
> I wrote a blog post about how this came to happen, for the WMF blog:
> 
>https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/
> 
> If you have a social media account, you might like to retweet me:
> 
>   https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/935871619247104000
> 
> and/ or this thread:
> 
>   https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/935844854260813824
> 
> or share the Wikipedia Facebook page's post:
> 
>   https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/
> 
> or of course post in your own words, with the hashtag #WikiVIP
> 
> And remember, please, to ask other people who have Wikipedia
> biographies, or an item on Wikidata, to record their voice, as
> described at:
> 
>   https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Voice_intro_project
> 
> -- 
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear All,

I can only agree with GorillaWarfare. I am also tired of having to proove 
anything concernig gender has to be perfect, when the whole principle of 
Wikipedia is that everything is always perfectible.
I think we should assume good faith and avoid  comments.
Doing nothing about the gender gap would not bring a positive image of our 
movement. The gap is huge and we do need quantity. Readers noticing mistakes 
sometimes become contributors (dont we need new contributors?). 
Chosing such a tone “intentionally” (citing Gnangarra) is something I find 
shocking. I think criticism is good to make progress, one does not need to fuel 
resentmemt by making it .


Kind regards,

Nattes à chat / Natacha 


> Le 16 oct. 2017 à 05:51, GorillaWarfare  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> 
> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns that this
> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in the
> document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this project
> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> 
> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a sexist. I
> believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said can be
> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of poor
> wording.
> 
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare  gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to this
>> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue with her
>> email address.
>> 
>> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some
>> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
>> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
>> 
>> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about women to a
>> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't going
>> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a bunch of
>> stubs.
>> 
>> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's better
>> than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I shouldn't
>> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
>> 
>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No worries Keegan I read it as sarcastic, given the amount of noise on
>>> here
>>> I chose my tone intentionally to draw attention to the competition, yes it
>>> looks like a wonderful idea until to look at the mechanics of comeptition
>>> given it has a start time in 2 weeks, people are being encourage to start
>>> now in sandboxes, its being advertised on banners yet it has very obvious
>>> under lying issues
>>> 
>>>   - unrealistic targets
>>>   - quantity not quality
>>>   - an expectation that competitors are required to do half of what is
>>>   expected from new editors , we should hold ourselves and expect of
>>> higher
>>>   standards than that we expect from new comers
>>>   - no methodology for notability. blp, copyright issues arent weeded out
>>>   during the event or judging
>>>   - judging is done by a bot just doing a count
>>> 
>>> To win this event all you need is a list, a script, and reliable internet
>>> connection, despite having so many signed up well experience good editors
>>> on the list.Sadly one person using a Wikidata script to
>>> create
>>> articles could be the winner,  just imagine the unimaginable
>>> frankenstienian horror that would create 
>>> 
>>> Any competition that relies on numbers alone is fraught with danger, the
>>> big international events  all succeed not because of numbers but because
>>> of
>>> large teams(this run by one person alone) focused on quality with the
>>> whole
>>> processes divided into manageable opt-in regional sections.  All the
>>> initiatives to focus on under represented topics need to be careful few
>>> thousands of poor quality stubs about women is more harmful than having
>>> nothing as people will perceive Wikipedia to be paying lip service to
>>> women.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 16 October 2017 at 07:18, Keegan Peterzell 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gergő Tisza  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell <
 keegan.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> "The nerve of these women, to think that they can write encyclopedia
>> articles on women who must inherently be non-notable! There's
>>> nothing
 to
>> write about here."
>> 
>> That's basically what your email 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-11 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi Maria, thank you. 

Personnally, and as an engaged feminist in real life, I dont believe one word 
of these allegations. 

My support goes to Christophe, and like you wrote, these allegations I think 
are not backed up by evidence as far as I have been informed). 

Too many people within the francophone community are being accused - causing 
resentment - of too many things that are simply not true, for me to be able to 
believe in this.

Kind regards,

Natacha / Nattes à chat

> Le 11 oct. 2017 à 19:54, María Sefidari  a écrit :
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> 
> We would like to specifically address the allegations related to harassment
> in this thread’s original email. We take all allegations of harassment
> seriously. Earlier this year, the Board of Trustees was informed that
> allegations of harassment had been made against the Wikimedia Foundation
> Board Chair dating back to his time as chair of Wikimédia France. We
> immediately directed the Foundation to investigate. The Foundation employed
> independent, external experts and conducted an investigation. Based on the
> information presented, the investigation found no support for the
> allegations. That conclusion was conveyed to the Wikimedia Foundation Board
> as well as the chair of Wikimédia France.
> 
> The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed to independent investigation if
> presented with new information. Absent such information, we consider the
> allegations to be without merit.
> 
> 
> On behalf of the Board,
> 
> 
> María Sefidari
> 
> El 8 oct. 2017 5:20, "John Erling Blad"  escribió:
> 
> When I first saw the posts I thought it would probably be more opinions to
> them than the very clear blame-game that were going on. Having a partly
> anonymous community and a chapter that only represents some of the users
> are an invitation to fierce battles.
> 
> Whatever going on at WMFR, I believe it is time for reevaluating the role
> of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF,
> unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the
> problems, and move on.
> 
> No, I do not know any of the people involved.
> 
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
> 
> On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Marie-Alice Mathis <
> mariealice.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I haven’t had a real opportunity to introduce myself: I am Marie-Alice
>> Mathis, 32, a now ex-member of the Board of Wikimédia France.
>> 
>> The transition with the newly elected members of the Board is now complete
>> and I gladly step down to get away from the violence, exhaustion and
>> frustration of these past few months.
>> 
>> I was a Board candidate because after completing my PhD I finally had more
>> time to contribute to the projects and serve the community through the
>> French chapter: after watching my husband Rémi Mathis do it for years I
> had
>> a pretty good idea of what it meant. I did not know our ED Nathalie Martin
>> or our chair Émeric Vallespi before working with them, and now that I have
>> I can vouch for their hard work and attachment to the movement’s values.
>> 
>> Today, I have lost friends or people I thought were friends because I
>> defended Nathalie and Émeric in good faith during the smear campaign based
>> on the community’s assumption that they were the source and cause of all
>> the chapter’s problems, real or perceived. Although I have worked with
> them
>> closely for a year, I have been repeatedly informed that I’ve been
>> manipulated by Nathalie from the start and should not have blindly
> believed
>> everything Émeric was saying. I’ve been personally attacked on WMF sites,
>> email lists, and social media for weeks, my every word scrutinised,
>> questioned and mocked assuming I was either ignorant or lying. I’ve been
>> told by so-called feminists who were endorsing a particularly sexist rant
>> against me to “stop making inflammatory comments”. I’ve been called a
>> conspiracy theorist because I questioned the role of our former chair
>> Christophe Henner, now chair of the Board at the WMF, in the threats to
>> withdraw our chapter agreement and the cutting of half our FDC funding.
>> People close to Christophe who have resigned from the WMFR Board early in
>> the crisis rather than take responsibility for their mistakes now call
>> themselves victims and whistleblowers. The WMF, who is perfectly aware of
>> the charges of sexual harassment filed by Nathalie against Christophe for
>> facts dating back to when he was her boss at Wikimédia France, is
>> pretending WMFR leadership has used the threat of legal action to
>> intimidate chapter members and silence opposition.
>> 
>> Some unfounded allegations have been made on this very list by prominent
>> members of the community (and what is a newbie’s word worth in that case,
>> right?): from extremely serious accusations of misuse of chapter funds for
>> personal gain (that strangely enough never made it to the French justice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presentation of Wikimédia France new Board members

2017-09-24 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Nadine, 

As a member of Wikimedia France and a Wikimedian, I want to thank you for your 
two last mails on behalf of the WMFR board. While reading you, I feel confident 
that we have wonderful people to overcome past turmoil, and I also feel very 
grateful that you wrote back to the chapters offering support. 

We are a global movement, and knowledge is not something that remains stuck at 
the boarders, fortunately! 

Good luck to all board members, past and new. 

Kind regards, 

Natacha / Nattes à chat

> Le 24 sept. 2017 à 17:59, Nadine Le Lirzin  a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Here is a brief presentation of the six new Board members elected on
> September 9, plus one appointment decided by the previous Board and
> ratified during this same Exceptional General Assembly called on
> request of Wikimédia
> France members.
> 
> 
> — Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb), 37, is a communication consultant,
> WikiCheese evangelist, taphophile and member of the Association for 10
> years. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> 
> — Kropotkine_113 is 40 years old and is a teacher. Wikimedian for more than
> 10 years, he has already been a Board member of Wikimedia France in
> 2011-2012, during the first phase of professionalization of the
> association. His appointment runs until October 2018.
> 
> — Charlotte Matoussowsky, 26, is a translator and a lecturer. She joined
> WMFr in 2011 and mostly edits Wikipedia. Her appointment runs until October
> 2018.
> 
> — Nadine Le Lirzin lives in Paris and translates works of philology and
> literary criticism, as well as political, ethical and moral philosophy. She
> has been a Wikipedian for almost ten years and joined the Association in
> 2009. Her appointment runs until October 2018.
> 
> — Kvardek du, 22, has been contributing to Wikimedia projects for 7 years
> and organizes events like Art+Feminism editathons in Paris. Their PhD
> research focuses on operational management in transportation. Their
> appointment runs until October 2017.
> 
> — Lucas Lévêque, 29, a librarian and a passionate wiktionarist, arrived in
> the association in 2014. He co-founded Lingua Libre and he registers
> regional languages for the Wiktionary. His appointment runs until October
> 2017.
> 
> — Florence Raymond, 37, is an assistant curator, at the initiative of
> Wikimuseum Project since 2016. She works for a better place of common goods
> (photos and contents) in cultural structures. Her ratified appointement
> runs until October 2017.
> 
> 
> The remaining members of the previous Board announced their intention to
> accompany the transition before leaving.
> 
> 
> The first Board meeting took place this week-end, September 23-24, the new
> executive bureau is composed of:
> 
> President: Pierre-Yves Beaudouin (Pyb)
> Vice-President: Charlotte Matoussowsky
> Treasurer: Kvardec du
> Secretary: Nadine Le Lirzin
> 
> 
> 
> Nadine Le Lirzin
> 
> *Board member*
> *Wikimédia France*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Natacha Rault
Hello, my short comment on this: the posts are lengthy, and from the outside it 
is hard to understand what it is all about. It would be great if at some point 
in long conversations, someone could resume the issues in a short paragraph. 

Kind regards

Nattes à chat
> Le 27 août 2017 à 11:17, Fæ  a écrit :
> 
> Several emails on this topic have been essay length, including some from
> list moderators. If post limits are halved, this may become more common.
> 
> Many readers, especially those like me viewing on a phone when scanning
> through emails, will skip essays which are several screens long. Please
> consider the good practice of opening with a one paragraph precis, or TLDR
> section, for any long post. This way, those who have tiny screens, or short
> attention spans, can get the point and will be much more likely to return
> to the essay later.
> 
> Thanks, Fae (writing without a keyboard)
> 
> On 27 Aug 2017 09:50, "Peter Southwood" 
> wrote:
> 
> Hey, it is nearly the end of the month, I will expend another rationed
> posting to agree with  Gerard on this point because I think it is vitally
> important. He expresses my sentiments very closely on this point, and
> although I may disapprove of his tone occasionally, I think he is a fine
> example of someone who may not always echo the mainstream opinion, but I
> have never doubted his good faith intentions to improve the Wikimedia
> projects.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> Sent: Sunday, 27 August 2017 8:25 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist
> 
> Hoi,
> I was invited to positively give my opinion about the Wikimedia mailinglist
> and its use by one of the list managers.
> 
> So the first thing to consider is what is the list for. This is largely a
> given because of its name; it is to discuss things that are primarily
> concerned with "Wikimedia" both as a movement and as an organisation. It is
> not about Wikipedia in general, it has its own list; wikipedia-l, and there
> are even lists for language specific Wikipedias.
> 
> The topic of Wikimedia makes it very much a macro or high level. It follows
> that many of the subjects that are not topical elsewhere have there proper
> home on this list. When a post transcends a local list because there is a
> high level consideration, Wikimedia-l is also the right venue.
> 
> Some topics that are of interest to me and are high level are: the multi
> linguality of our projects and its support. As a consequence the lack of
> funding and interest in other languages. As a movement we agree on the need
> to consider the gender gap. However there are other diversity issues that
> do not get attention. When quality improvements are possible in multiple
> projects, the discussion about this starts here.
> 
> What I have found is that this whole notion of the purpose of this list is
> lost. When a topic raised on the list is answered with high level
> arguments, it is easily seen as "highjacking". That is normal because from
> a sociological point of view, high level considerations and low level
> considerations often work in different directions (think Coleman).
> 
> Then there is another consideration; intent. The objective of this list is
> to discuss ways whereby we can understand and improve what is happening in
> our movement. For me it follows that when it is known for a list member to
> actively undermine our foundation, he has no place here. That *is *the kind
> of noise we can do without. When someone is punished for having a point of
> view that aims to improve what we do but has a position that is not the
> flavour of the month, it is a different story. The list itself has a
> problem when these to considerations are not part of the management of the
> list.
> 
> The current proposals will not improve the Wikimedia-l because it is
> restrictive in its approach. It is what some people may want, a lower
> volume. But others like myself have weaned themselves of Meta because it is
> such a time sink. There are at this time other platforms as well where
> people obstruct (imho) probably with good intentions but without
> understanding of the arguments that it has become virtually impossible to
> come to a consensus anyway. Floating arguments on Wikimedia-l is one way to
> get a traction, actively working towards the hoped for outcome and blogging
> makes it complete for me.
> 
> With the current restrictions proposed, I do not feel safe. There is no
> longer room to reflect on arguments. There is no longer room to reply
> because of this arbitrary limitation to post.
> 
> Remember, this list is to make a positive difference for our movement. Few
> posts only allow for making statements and not for discussions. Many of the
> arguments put forward are arguably wrong even 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changing roles

2017-08-16 Thread Natacha Rault
Thank you James and good luck in this board! Thank you for sharing this with 
us. 
Kind regards, 

Natacha / Nattes à chat
> Le 16 août 2017 à 15:56, Fæ  a écrit :
> 
> James, thank you for making a public statement. It sets a healthy tone
> for good governance and transparency of how interests are managed.
> 
> Does anyone know if WMF board members will ever be required to make
> public statements about perceived conflicts of loyalties, or indeed
> actual commercial conflicts of interest? It may be a good subject for
> the Wikimedia Foundation Board Governance Committee to set down a best
> practice for.
> 
> Thanks,
> Fae
> 
> On 16 August 2017 at 14:50, James Heilman  wrote:
>> Hey All
>> 
>> I am excited to have rejoined the board of the WMF during Wikimania. As per
>> the requirements of the position I have stepped down from the board of
>> WPMEDF. Shani Evenstein has taken over the role of chair. I will remain
>> associated with the organization as a special advisory and funder. I have
>> also not re-run for the board of WMCA but am leaving that organization in
>> the excellent hands of Benoit and the rest of the board.
>> 
>> Best
>> --
>> James Heilman
>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
>> Member of the Board of Trustees, WMF
>> 
>> The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-08 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear All, 

More than a quarter of Wikimedia France’s members have requested that several 
topics be added and voted upon at he next general assembly to be held in 
september in order to reflect on the current governance issues.

The board has just confirmed that the minimum of members requested to do this 
has now been reached, see here (in French) for more details 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/septembre_2017/Points_%C3%A0_ajouter_%C3%A0_l%27ordre_du_jour
 


We hope that we will be able to achieve a sound democratic debate and start 
working towards a resolution of the problems recently encountered. I am 
personally really happy to see that a significant number of members have 
expressed ideas and worked collaboratively to express their point of view.  

Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat 

#whatmakesmehappythisweek

> Le 4 août 2017 à 21:46, Devouard (gmail)  a écrit :
> 
> Le 04/08/2017 à 18:17, Gabriel Thullen a écrit :
>> What is important here is that trust has to be rebuilt between the chapter
>> members on one hand and the board & senior staff on the other hand.
>> The way I understand the situation is that the board has expelled a few
>> vocal opponents, a few board members have resigned, one staffer was fired
>> for refusing to censor a mailing list, some chapter members have had their
>> membership renewal refused, some known contributors are not able to join
>> the chapter, and there are now 25 new chapter members out of the blue. I
>> may be incorrect on one or two minor details, but I think that sums it up.
> 
> It far from sum-it-up.
> 
> There is also *very* disrespectful behavior from staff and management, 
> including
> * non respect of "friendly space policy" and comments directed to a very 
> involved member with autistic traits such as "it is you who should adapt and 
> you need to grow up to become an adult"
> * paternalistic behavior toward volunteers such as "you still have not 
> understood what I was saying. Let's meet face to face and I will explain to 
> you *again* so that you *really* get it"
> * legal threats toward volunteers who ask questions
> * referring to members in a very belittling way : "tartempion" or "pigiste"
> * refusal to acknowledge authorship of action from volunteers (such as "no 
> author name in wiki newsletter")
> * emails sent to board by members to "report issues" are immediately 
> forwarded to the management, making it impossible to safely and 
> confidentially discuss issues
> * there has been cases of doxing by the management, using member private data
> * set up of a black list of members that should not receive support by staff 
> in spite of being members.
> 
> There is staff suffering, upon which it is difficult to comment publicly, but 
> is made quite obvious by the fact several staff members joined and created a 
> trade-union branch to be able to *defend* themselves.
> 
> There are multiple rumors reported by members of quite "generous" expenses 
> reimbursement. Yet unclear due to non access to financial data.
> 
> There are questions related to management using the resources and image of 
> the association, as well as WMF brand, to look for funding for a mysterious 
> entity no one knows anything about. Yet unanswered.
> 
> There are questions related to using resources of the association to gain a 
> elected position.
> 
> And a bunch of other things. Those would count as "one or two minor details".
> 
> 
>> The board says it has had two audits already, but I believe that they are
>> related to getting a certification - the IDEAS label - to help out with
>> fund raising. This is not a governance audit and they will not help us find
>> an issue to this crisis. (
>> http://ideas.asso.fr/fr/label/label-ideas-associations-fondations/)
> 
> Absolutely correct. Those were certifications (and done prior to most of our 
> current issues). For example, a certification will check that there is a 
> Conflict of Interest Policy in place. And yes there is one. So there is 
> certification.
> 
> What good is a COI policy when people do not report COI or when the members 
> of the committee do not have independance from those reporting COI... that is 
> another story. And this is when a governance audit can help.
> 
> It may be that if WMF asks for a financial audit, only WMF will get the 
> outcome.
> 
> Which is why we are currently voting so that the members get the RIGHT to 
> vote to ASK for a financial audit during the next General Assembly.
> 
> But the amount of energy we have to spend to simply TRY to get answers is 
> frankly just wrong.
> 
> Florence
> 
> 
>> I remain convinced that WMFR needs an independent governance audit, and the
>> results should be made available to the chapter members and to the staff.
>> Something 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Natacha Rault
Well thanks to Andreas for pointing this, I really believe that a movement 
advocating for the free sharing of knowledge can not afford to take royalist 
views on who is entitled or not to see the results of any audit and to reflect 
upon it. 

I want to reflect on Illario’s previous words . Well it is not often I agree 
with Ilario on governance issues, but in this case I agree that the FDC has 
taken the adequate decision, one that allows us members, to point out to the 
board that the situation has to change on the basis of the FDC recommendation. 
Of course I will be called a nasty troll by the WMFR board for writing that 
(but now I share the condition with Ilario, which is real comforting).  

Apart from this, it is not a 3 solution dilemna like exposed by Ilario 
previoulsy, because we are not solving a mathematical or computing problem, but 
initiating a negociation process with human beings embedded in a conflict who 
are feeling emotions. One cannot eradicate resentment by taking a computational 
approach to solve conflicts between humans, because humans first need to be 
heard before willing to collaborate : a mediation process always start by the 
presentation of each position. These positions usually move in the process, 
they are not rigid.  

To be successful each party (and there are obviously more than two parties 
there, there are a variety of different positions) has to let the other speak 
and express their point of vue, otherwise we might fall in a starvation case 
(but surely there are less radical solutions than just the 3 ones presented by 
you that allow to have hope and not fear of ”plug pulling”, ”burning” ect).

 If you have a look at this page 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/septembre_2017#Point_de_l.27OJ_statutaire
 where a diversity of opinions and approaches are discussed to prepare the 
General Assembly, it will show you that we are not facing a minority showing 
extreme opinions: we are facing reasonable wikimedians, trying to find 
solutions and deeply concerned about the situation. 

So it is not correct to adopt a binary approach to present the situation. I 
find it very positive to discover all these point of views, just I I loved 
reading all the different point of views in the strategic review process 
initiated a few months ago by the WMF. Reading all this changes my own 
opinions. Friction of ideas is the basis of our movement. I remember Katherine 
Maher saying in a speech that this confrontation with other ideas in Wikipedia 
helps contributors to become more tolerant, and this is a vision that truly 
appeals to me. We should not be afraid of diverging opinions, we should be 
afraid of  puritan and totalitarian pictures depicting everything as perfect. 

The positive thing is that the Board, whatever it does, will now have feedback 
and information. I work in human ressources: leaders need feedbacks to be 
efficient, in assessing leadership skills one will always look at the capacity 
of obtaining feedback, negociating, motivating and offering a vision for the 
future. 

I would also like to highlight I find this wording of yours problematic: 

"In some countries no profit association are linked to strict parameters and 
the governance is not an option. I don't know personally the system law of 
France, but I suppose that it's weaker than in other countries.”

I dont think it is adequate to assume that the French system of law is weaker 
than in other countries (and which countries please?). Especially since you 
start by saying you dont know… 

Kind regards, 

Natacha 
Le 4 août 2017 à 18:00, Chris Keating  a écrit :

> Interesting but: "The review, commissioned by Wikimedia UK..." exactly who?
> Board, community, general assembly, group of members?
> 

By the Board.

The dynamics were different to the current situation with Wikimedia
France, in that the Wikimedia UK Board at the time was not engaged in
a big fight with its community.

Regards,

Chris
(chair of Wikimedia UK at that point in time!)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Natacha Rault
In any case now what we would like is an independent audit, addressing very 
precise questions pushed by the community of members  To go through an audit to 
get an IDEAS label is not the same as going through an audit resulting from a 
governance crisis, The evaluation processes are not the same, the context is 
usually not the same. 
Ideally it would be much better if the community got involved more in what is 
happening in chapters, as chapters spend the money derived from the notoriety 
of their work as contributors, thus getting also the media attention. 


Natacha Rault / Nattes à chat


> Le 4 août 2017 à 12:03, Gilles Chagnon <cont...@gchagnon.fr> a écrit :
> 
> I think the two audits the board refers to as those by IDEAS.
> 
> However, except of the announcement of the final label, there was no report 
> to the community. An audit usually comes with recommendations and a series of 
> good points/concerns but as far as I know, no result was shared outside of 
> the board/the direction. I can understand that some points may be 
> confidential, but I also think that some conclusions could have been shared, 
> provided the auditing organism had been told to write their conclusion in a 
> suitable way.
> 
>   G. Chag
> 
> Le 04/08/2017 à 11:45, Ilario Valdelli a écrit :
>> Only an audit can answer. To switch from rumors to facts, this is the most 
>> appropriate solution.
>> It seems that Wikimedia France had two audits (but it would be interesting 
>> to know if limited only to the financial aspects) and another by the FDC.
>> The General Assembly can have the power to claim for an audit too, defining 
>> the auditing entity.
>> Kind regards
>> On 04/08/2017 11:27, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote:
>>> Assuming of course that a chapter actually follows its bylaws
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of 
>>> Ilario Valdelli <valde...@gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 1:34:34 AM
>>> To: Wikimedia Mailing List; James Salsman
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France
>>> 
>>> The power of WMF, defined in the agreement, is basically limited to
>>> revoke the chapters agreement.
>>> 
>>> There is no mention in the Chapters agreement that WMF can take a
>>> control of a chapter and to manage a General Assembly.
>>> 
>>> You forget that the legal pilaster of a chapter is the bylaws.
>>> 
>>> On 04/08/2017 10:02, James Salsman wrote:
>>>> Rogol,
>>>> 
>>>> What content protected by safe harbor provisions would the Foundation
>>>> be exerting editorial control over by requiring governance standards
>>>> of a Chapter?
>>>> 
>>>> Is there some French law that requires charities to be more
>>>> independent of their international affiliates than would be under such
>>>> a requirement?
>>>> 
>>>> The chapter agreements already contemplate this sort of control,
>>>> because they state, "The Chapter agrees ... to refrain from ...
>>>> engaging in any activity that might negatively impact the work or
>>>> image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three
>>>> months notice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a chapter at
>>>>> the proposed level of micro-management then it would jeopardise the legal
>>>>> status both of the Foundation (in terms of their safe harbour status) and
>>>>> of the chapter (as an independent and charitable body).  The Foundation is
>>>>> free to fund or not fund, to recognise or derecognise.  But not to 
>>>>> control.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New beta feature: Syntax Highlighting!

2017-08-03 Thread Natacha Rault
Great news, thank you! Nattes à chat

> Le 4 août 2017 à 00:21, Danny Horn  a écrit :
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> WMF's Community Tech team team is happy to announce that Wikitext Editor
> Syntax Highlighting has been released as a beta feature today on all LTR
> Wikimedia projects!
> 
> Syntax Highlighting was the #6 request in this year's Community Wishlist
> Survey [1]  -- a way to help editors parse the wikitext in the edit window
> by using color, bolding, italics and size to make it easier to see which
> parts are article text, and which are links, templates, tags and headings.
> 
> It's easy to separate the link target from the actual link text, section
> headings are bigger, and adding bold and italics actually changes the way
> it looks in the edit window. Plus -- thanks to the amazing performance
> optimization done by volunteer developer Pastakhov -- it loads a lot faster
> than previous versions of syntax highlighting.
> 
> Unfortunately, the feature isn't available in RTL languages yet; we're
> working on some bugs, and we'll release it as soon as we can. We're also
> hoping to improve the Syntax Highlighting performance for people who also
> use the "New wikitext mode" Beta feature.
> 
> You can find Syntax Highlighting under the Beta features tab in
> Preferences. I hope you all love it and find it useful! If you've got
> feedback, you can click on the Discussion link in Beta features, or leave
> comments and questions on the Community Tech project talk page. [2] Thanks!
> 
> 
> Danny Horn
> Senior Product Manager
> WMF Community Tech
> 
> [1] Community Wishlist Survey:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Community_Wishlist_Survey/Results
> 
> [2] Project talk page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Tech/Wikitext_editor_syntax_highlighting
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-03 Thread Natacha Rault
in a few days...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> But to make things easier for us...
>>>> * some members memberships requests and renewals were rejected, thus
>>>> decreasing the number of potential voters. Of course, the memberships
>>>> rejected were from opponents to the current board... who would have voted
>>>> for the new agenda...
>>>> * in the same time (2 weeks...), the membership increased from 275 to 300
>>>> members. No idea who those 25 new members are. But increased number of
>>>> members is making it even tougher to reach the 75 votes to request 
>>>> additions
>>>> to the agenda.
>>>> * the main mailing list of the association is still closed... which means 
>>>> we
>>>> can NOT reach out to ALL members. We have no means to contact them. I
>>>> managed to get a public list opened just a few days before the closure of
>>>> the internal mailing list and to send a call for registration. So the most
>>>> active members actually joined that public list and are within reach. But
>>>> all the other members... the ones who did not reach to that new public
>>>> list... we have NO MEANS to contact them.
>>>> How are we supposed to get members to be given the chance to vote on an
>>>> agenda when they do not KNOW about this agenda ? We can't tell them about
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> How serious and honest from our current board is that ? This is beyond
>>>> shameful behavior.
>>>> 
>>>> So, friends, I would like to ask you help.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If by any chance, you joined the association in the past 2 weeks... please
>>>> vote.
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please, do realy our call in your network.
>>>> 
>>>> If you know anyone who might by chance be a member of Wikimedia France,
>>>> please tell them about the vote. It is here :
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Assemblée_générale/septembre_2017/Points_à_ajouter_à_l%27ordre_du_jour
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Or RELAY in social networks. For example that tweet
>>>> https://twitter.com/photos_floues/status/892731233784008704
>>>> 
>>>> Or DROP A WORD to current board members and tell them about how wrong they
>>>> behave by not giving a chance to democracy
>>>> Something like "please inform all Wikimedia France members about the vote
>>>> opened for the new agenda : "
>>>> 
>>>> The current board members
>>>> * Secretary : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:EdouardHue
>>>> * the President : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Authueil
>>>> * the vice President : 
>>>> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisatrice:AlienSpoon
>>>> * The treasurer : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Floflo
>>>> * and the former president who is now regular member:
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:ShreCk
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Florence
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 02/08/2017 à 20:09, Pierre-Selim a écrit :
>>>>> The passing of Louise is really sad :(
>>>>> 
>>>>> On the other fronts, Edouard it feels like you're not telling things the
>>>>> way
>>>>> they really are.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The board acknowledge..." means the board has been forced to a new AGM by
>>>>> 25%
>>>>> of the member. Our bylaws dictate that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The board has published a shameful "Right of reply" [1], full of
>>>>> inexact/false
>>>>> statements that are on the same line than the email sent by the board
>>>>> on July 11th (and shared here by Chris [2]).
>>>>> This Right of reply even "use" Louise passing ... For shame!
>>>>> 
>>>>> In an uncollaborative way, the board has not listen to the
>>>>> community/member
>>>>> for
>>>>> the agenda which forces the members to a new vote [3] to add items to the
>>>>> agenda
>>>>> ... during the summer ... and Wikimania.
>>>>> 
&

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-07-26 Thread Natacha Rault
probably me...
> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 17:49, Yaroslav Blanter  a écrit :
> 
> Actually, after Catherine's mail, an English article was started by someone
> I can not recognize from the username.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
> 
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
> 
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,
>> 
>> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
>> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
>> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
>> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
>> along well.
>> 
>> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
>> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
>> greatly from her continued advocacy.
>> 
>> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
>> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
>> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
>> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
>> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
>> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
>> passing.
>> 
>> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
>> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
>> 
>> Katherine
>> 
>> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
>> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-07-26 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi there, being in the train from Geneva to Paris I started to translate the 
page on Louise Merzeau in English. 

Unfortunately I am going down now, and I am not finished… But it is available 
here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau 


I have discovered the translation tool is deactivated in english, so in fact I 
had to translate twice. What a shame the system allows you to proceed in the 
first place…

Kind regards, 

Natacha 
> Le 26 juil. 2017 à 14:38, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> Dear Édouard and our other colleagues at Wikimédia France,o 
> 
> We are sorry to hear about the passing of Mrs. Louise Merzeau. While I did
> not have a chance to meet her, I understand she was an advocate for the
> Commons movement and a leading academic on digital identities and the
> relationship between technology and culture. I suspect we would have gotten
> along well.
> 
> Although she did not get to share her knowledge longer, we are grateful for
> the contributions she made. I have no doubt Wikimedia would have benefited
> greatly from her continued advocacy.
> 
> I recognize with everything that is going on, an event like this can
> quickly pass by without enough notice and tribute from all of us. However,
> I hope we can pause to recognize that, above all, we are people who have
> come together under a shared vision for a better future. The passion and
> bond that unites us are much stronger than any disagreements or challenges.
> Louise was a part of that vision, and we owe it to her to recognize her
> passing.
> 
> On behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation, please know that she is in our
> thoughts and that the community has our condolences.
> 
> Katherine
> 
> PS. I encourage you to learn more about Mrs. Merzeau and her life from her
> article on French Wikipedia:  https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Merzeau
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Réponse à Samuel Legoff, président de Wikimédia France / Answer to Samuel Legoff, president of Wikimedia France

2017-07-18 Thread Natacha Rault
Bonjour,

Merci pour ce long (et éclairant mail) qui nous sort de l'atmosphère délétère  
des menaces de poursuites judiciaires en nous faisant entrevoir la légalité de 
la libre expression! 

J'ai reçu un mail du CA m'informant que la raison de mon expulsion de 
l'association est le fait d'avoir tweeté avec les hashtag "#wmfrgate". 
Je pense que dans la situation actuelle de censure des listes de discussions, 
les membres et la communauté avaient le droit de savoir ce qui ce passe.

L'autre chose qui m'est reproché par le président, c'est de faire partie d'une 
bande de harceleurs - qu'il refuse de nommer - et d'en coordonner l'action.

Je me permet de relever la dernière phrase de ton mail qui me semble 
importante: 

> "je
> suggère que toi, Samuel, en tant que président de Wikimédia France tu
> permettes à tout ancien ou actuel salarié de pouvoir témoigner librement,
> donc de délivrer de la clause de confidentialité ceux qui en ont signé et
> que tu t'engages formellement à ce qu'aucun salarié actuel ou passé ne
> subisse de mesures de rétorsion suite au témoignage qu'il pourrait faire
> devant les auditeurs."

À ceci on devrait ajouter, pour le président, la garantie qu'il sera assisté et 
soutenu s'il 
reprend fermement et rapidement la fonction RH. Je ne doute pas qu'il ai 
essayé, il faut qu'il persévère, et il ne peut pas y arriver seul. 


Bonne journée,

Natacha / Nattes à chat






> Le 18 juil. 2017 à 04:32, Thierry Coudray  a écrit :
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> It has been a long time since I have written on this list. More than for 4
> years. And I thought I would never write again especially about Wikimedia
> France.
> 
> For those who do not know me, I'm a former board member, treasurer
> (2010-2011) and executive director (2012) of Wikimedia France, a current HR
> consultant and a quite long time Wikipedian (2005, user:TCY), a project I'm
> still involved and which I care.
> 
> During those last weeks former WMFr employees,  WMFr members, even some I
> do not know, have contacted me to know if I'm aware of the current WMFr
> situation, to find out what I think about it and to find out what to do as
> well. If it's gratifying to be recognised, both for my skills and the work
> I have done for WMFr  in the light of my  hasty departure of Wikimedia
> France in december 2012, I stayed deliberately away. First because I have a
> duty of reserve and, for my part, I've strictly followed it. But especially
> because I've turned the page of Wikimedia France even if I had to
> restrain myself
> when I saw what had happened to the great salaried team I had managed.
> 
> But a number of things made me think:
> - the latest developments of what could unfortunately be called the WMFr
> affair or WMFrGate with the revolt of many members  facing Wikimedia France
> adrift,
> - the risk of a divorce between French wikipedian community and Wikimedia
> France with the resentment of some WP editors (for example, a call for a
> boycott, fortunatly not yet significant, for the next fundraising which a
> part funds Wikimedia France) and while a national chapter is useful to
> support Wikimedia subjetcs.
> - but above all, the risk that the Wikipedia in French will be damaged when
> this affair will be released to the media. And it will be, I've already
> been contacted by two journalists  (I did not speak with any of them : one
> I really trusted but we did not find the time between our busy schedules
> for sharing, and the other one, I did not trust her and I ignored her phone
> call).
> 
> The recent and staggering Samuell Legoff's e-mail convinced me to break my
> four year silence.
> 
> I will answer  the e-mail in a kind of "open answer" . I would have
> prefered to post to Wikimedia France mailing list but this list is closed
> for the next 10 days and the WMFr member which has accepted to forward it,
> told me, even with the list opened again, my e-mail would have been
> censored. As Samuel's e-mail has been forwarded, translated and subjected
> to a great deal of comments on this list and many WMFr members are on it, I
> have chosen to publish it here, the only Wikimedia list I'm still on. As
> Florence Devouard, Christophe Henner, Chris Keating, Mike Peel and Itzik
> Edri are also mentionned in my e-mail, it seems correct they are informed.
> 
> Sorry answer below to Samuel is in French. I am not fluent enough in
> English for a quick translation and my answer is quite long. But I wanted
> it to be exhaustive and accurate face to all Samuel's statements. I am
> correcting many errors Samuel has made when he speaks about French labor
> law, non profit associations law, HR and management to support the WMFr
> board decisions. I am pointing out what I considered not ethical or wrong
> past board or ED decisions. I am giving  some specific ways in which the HR
> management, governance and ethics could be improved regarding my HR and
> Wikimedia background and last but not least I am trying 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Der Lodewijk,

Thank you for the message, the threshold has indeed been reached, and the WMFR 
board has communicated that they will have the GA asap. The official number of 
people requesting the GA is of 73 as of now. 

The emphasis on democratic chapters is indeed important. People are now 
discussing freely on the public list, and it’s  great because they are starting 
to reflect on what they want for the future, and also have spokesmen and women 
for the organisation of the GA. I think this was really needed and the 
discussion is really refreshing after months of moderation.

Kind regards, 

Natacha / Nattes à chat








> Le 13 juil. 2017 à 11:32, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> a écrit :
> 
> Thanks Natacha.
> 
> I see that 70 members have requested a General Assembly to be held. I
> remember from WMFR's bylaws that 25% of the membership can force the board
> to call a General Assembly, or do it themselves. Is this request formulated
> in such a manner? What is the required threshold?
> 
> This is a terribly sad situation WMFR finds itself in. There are no
> winners, and trying to continue this struggle can only create bigger losses
> on all sides.
> 
> I hope an assembly can be held soon, and that a democratic decision can be
> prepared there, where the membership can give its trust to a board - either
> providing the current board (with a majority of board-appointed members, if
> I understand correctly) with the much needed moral authority, or by
> electing a new board that can start afresh.
> 
> This is why we have always put so much emphasis on having democratic
> chapters where the members can in the end intervene.
> 
> Lodewijk
> (snipping the messages below, as the software complains it's too long)
> 
> 
>> 2017-07-13 10:21 GMT+02:00 Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com>:
>> 
>>> Dear All,
>>> 
>>> As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have
>>> translated the time line in English concerning what is happening in the
>>> French chapter, although surely we still have to clarify and correct
>>> mistakes. You can find it here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu
>>> /wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html <https://www.mathisbenguigui.e
>>> u/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html>
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Nattes à chat / Natacha
>>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear All, 

As some anglophone wikimedians wanted an English version, we have translated 
the time line in English concerning what is happening in the French chapter, 
although surely we still have to clarify and correct mistakes. You can find it 
here: https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/indexEN.html 


Kind regards, 

Nattes à chat / Natacha




> Le 13 juil. 2017 à 08:47, Pierre-Selim  a écrit :
> 
> Thank you Samuel and Chris for this work of transparency you guys have done.
> I'm so sad to see how the board of Wikimedia France, my former fellows, can
> lie and libel amazing people such as Caroline, Christophe or Florence.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> 
> Le 13 juillet 2017 à 04:03, Samuel Klein  a écrit :
> 
>> Thank you kindly, Florence, for this note and update.  {{refnec}}s for
>> everyone.
>> Katy: !
>> 
>> I tried translating the letter (literary NLP?) into English, posted here
>> for commentary and annotation:
>> https://medium.com/@metasj/a-recent-letter-from-wmfrs-
>> board-annotated-d8e19c2bc0b
>> 
>> (As it is not freely licensed, I'm experimenting with a non-wiki.)  Help
>> with the translation and annotation are welcome -- perhaps adding links to
>> the appropriate section of the timeline?
>> 
>> Regards to all,
>> SJ
>> 
>> 2017-07-12 20:29 GMT-04:00 Devouard (gmail) :
>> 
>>> Yesterday, a few hours after the whole membership of Wikimedia France was
>>> served that litterature masterpiece from its board (ED), someone told me
>> :
>>> 
>>> "any wikipedian reading that letter will add a {{refnec}} at the end of
>>> all sentences"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Since I was mentionned, I would like to renew my position.
>>> I think there is a serious suspicion that the resources of the
>> association
>>> (paid staff time, communication tools, perhaps even big donor database)
>> and
>>> the image/name of the association were used for personal benefit. I also
>>> think that if what I say is correct, there was also a questionnable use
>> of
>>> Wikimedia brand.
>>> 
>>> The relevant emails are
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/03.html
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/04.html
>>> * https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediafr/2017-
>> July/07.html
>>> 
>>> However, contrariwise to the letter statement ("Nous condamnons fermement
>>> ce qui là encore est une tentative de mettre le CA en difficulté par des
>>> allégations infondées.") I must clarify that I believe that most of the
>>> WMFR board knew nothing about that specific issue. In particular, it
>> seems
>>> the treasurer was not aware the Executive Director was actively seeking
>>> funds for this independant non-profit-to-be. The treasurer followed-up on
>>> my first request for clarifications, asked me information so that he
>> could
>>> figure out what was going on, promised to come back with information
>> within
>>> a day (and never did). Said treasurer resigned a few days later.
>>> 
>>> And yes... I do have some evidence (such as a copy of the email sent to
>>> the private donor, as well as the supporting document) and a rather
>>> convincing rationale (which I can provide if needed, but I would prefer
>> to
>>> know first what my membership and legal status are).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On another note... I'd like to mention that amongst the people mentionned
>>> in that email, as well as those not explicitely mentionned but strongly
>>> hinted, some are tough skins and other are softer. If you know well some
>> of
>>> them, and feel friendly toward them, send them some wikilove because they
>>> might need it. We have been dipping in this for... months.
>>> 
>>> Also consider visiting this page where we listed our freedom fighter
>> staff
>>> : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Merchandise_giveaways/Nomina
>>> tions#Jules78120
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And really... thank you Katy (and the team) for the WMF statement
>>> published yesterday.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Florence
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 12/07/2017 à 00:25, Chris Keating a écrit :
>>> 
 I thought this email from Wikimedia France was worth wider circulation
 within the movement.
 
 Topics covered include:
 * How WMFr feels community members are "destabilising and denigrating"
 the chapter, and how Wikimedia France is responding by expelling some
 of those people from the organisation, threatening them with legal
 action, and temporarily closing its email discussion list
 * Accusations that Christophe Henner has personally manipulated the
 FDC process to cut WMFR's funding
 * Also, a statement from WMFR that the WMF is also considering
 withdrawing WMFr's chapter agreement
 
 I recommend reading the whole email in conjunction with this timeline:
 https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/
 
 It really is remarkable. I was 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-12 Thread Natacha Rault

Hi Chris, 

Great, thank you!  I’ve integrated some parts as another person was translating 
this morning. 

A first version of the TL in english should be made available today. 

Kind regards

Natacha 
> Le 12 juil. 2017 à 10:14, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> 2017-07-12 1:34 GMT+01:00 Natacha Rault <n.ra...@me.com>:
>> So this is the translated part stopping in may 2017 (recent developments not 
>> included)
> 
> I had a bit of spare time this morning so I've translated part of May (below).
> 
> 4 May 2017
> 
> Explanation of the number of resignations from the Board
> 
> Emeric Vallespi writes an email, in the name of the Board, explaining
> the resignations and denying any governance problems. He refers
> explicitly to the origin of the resignations as "an exceptional threat
> to the organisation due to non-respect of the obligations in civil and
> criminal law upon the leaders of the association" not as "political
> dissension within the Board".
> 
> 5 May 2017
> 
> Explanation from Caroline Becker of her resignation
> 
> In response to Emeric's email, @K_rho (Caroline), former member of the
> Board, posts her account of her resignation on Twitter, pointing out
> that a disagreement on the governance of the association was at the
> source. She adds to her tweet a copy of the resignation mail she sent
> to the board of directors on February 21.
> 
> 8 May 2017
> 
> Emeric is a candidate in the legislative elections
> 
> Emeric is officially announced as a "candidat suppléant" to the French
> National Assembly for the En Marche party. Information is not provided
> on the general discussion list by management. Mathis, an ordinary
> member, will inform the members of this situation on May 25th.
> 
> (Translation note: "candidat suppléant" is a kind of 'substitute
> candidate' that is not commonplace outside of France. My understanding
> is that each party nominates a candidate and a substitute candidate
> for each district. If the party wins the seat then the candidate
> enters the legislature. If the successful candidate can no longer
> serve, e.g. because of death or appointment as a government minister,
> the "suppleant" takes over as the legislator for that district.)
> 
> 11 May 2017
> 
> Wave of unsubscriptions from the list
> 
> In the afternoon, a large number of members and contractors of the
> association are unsubscribed from the discussion list by its
> administrator. At the same time, administrator access to the CiviCRM
> system is removed from the few "ordinary" members who had access to
> it.
> 
> 11 May 2017
> 
> Émeric sends an email on the mailing list accusing 3 of the resigning
> board members of putting the association in danger. The resignations,
> according to him, are part of a more general conspiracy. In this mail
> we learn that an investigation for harassment was opened by the
> Wikimedia Foundation on February 16, 2017, which was subsequently
> abandoned.
> 
> 12 May 2017
> 
> Views from Wikimedia Argentina
> 
> Anna Torres, executive director of Wikimedia Argentina, complains of
> the negative implications of the words used by Wikimedia France to
> describe the Argentine MOOC within the FDC discussion
> 
> "We are very surprised and unhappy by your negative reference to our
> work in the discussion of your staff assessment."
> 
> The phrases used do not emanate from the WikiMOOC team, but are
> potentially harmful to them, while the Argentine MOOC team has shown
> its support for the project.
> 
> 14 May 2017
> 
> The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) considers the grant
> application from Wikimedia France very negatively
> 
> Amount requested: 686 000 €
> Amount recommended by the FDC: 343 000 €
> Amount allocated the previous year: 570 000 €
> 
> The FDC considers Wikimedia France's grant application very
> negatively. It recommends allocating 50% of the funds requested
> because the results are not commensurate with the funds received, as
> explained in the two previous recommendations of the FDC. It also
> believes that the potential for significant, clear and measurable
> results from this year's bid is not sufficient to qualify for the
> requested funding. In addition, the FDC is concerned about the recent
> developments in the organization of the association and its governance
> (many resignations of employees and members of the Board, a two-headed
> system at the management level, etc.). The FDC recommends that
> Wikimedia France undertake a review of its governance.
> 
> In commenting on the FDC's recommendation, Nathalie (the association's
&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-11 Thread Natacha Rault
 new president (he was formally vice 
president).
 
  
  
June 27  2016 

Bandeau Gate
 
Banner gate 
there is a possibility to place banners atthe top of all wikimedia projects. 
Rules define the wa these banners can be put in place. Only the WMF or the 
community can ask for one of these banners to be put up on the website. The 
WMFR  president and director have taken the initiative of putting up such a 
banner. This banner has been deployed without community consultation, and the 
French cly.ommunity had it removed swiftly. Benoît Prieur resigned from the 
WMFR Board following the refusal of the diretor and president to admit their 
responsibility in the affair. The discussions on the list are tense and 
threatening during and in the aftermath of the affair.
 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/27_juin_2016#Bandeau_et_page_sur_la_privatisation_du_domaine_public
 
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro/27_juin_2016#Bandeau_et_page_sur_la_privatisation_du_domaine_public>

August 31, 2016
Jules Xénard is recruited as outreach and community liaiser 
Jules Xénard annnounces his recruitment as community engager (he is the contact 
person between community and the wikimedians). Previous to that he was working 
as project manager in education in the context of his civic service.
 
 https://lists.wikimedia.fr/arc/discussions/2016-08/msg00061.html 
<https://lists.wikimedia.fr/arc/discussions/2016-08/msg00061.html>.
 
August16,  2016
Anne-Laure announces her departure from Wikimedia France
https://lists.wikimedia.fr/arc/discussions/2016-08/msg00020.html 
<https://lists.wikimedia.fr/arc/discussions/2016-08/msg00020.html>
 
 
October 26, 2017 : General Asembly 
5 candidates to the board present themselves under the banner "TOM" 
(Transparency, Openess and Diversity for the association). They point to what 
they felt were critical issues. No candodate was elected, but the two highest 
scores reached 75 voices. Pierre Selim is elect
Elected: 
 Manuel Fauveau (79), Marie-Alice Mathis (86), Jean-Frédéric Berthelot (86), 
Caroline Becker (89), Samuel Le Goff (90), Pierre-Selim Huard (95)
Not elected: 
 Anne Baumstimler (53 voix), Dominique Cambrésy (63), Lucas Lévêque (68), 
Natacha Rault (75), Marin Dubroca-Voisin (75),
Résultats et compte rendu de l'AG 2016
Présentation of  candidates (French): 
https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/AGO#elections
 
<https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/AGO#elections>
Résults: 
https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/PV 
<https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/PV>
https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/PV 
<https://membres.wikimedia.fr/Assembl%C3%A9e_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rale/octobre_2016/PV>
 
 
October 2017
Nathalie accepts to hire Antoine Lesieur as a trainee for summer 2017 to work 
on lobbying. In the meantime Antoine becomes the president of a new political 
movement https://www.poledesjeunesreformateurs.com 
<https://www.poledesjeunesreformateurs.com/>
 

November14,  2016
The discussion list is moderated before publication
 
The mail announcing the new method of moderation " During the general assembly, 
the violence of the exchanges on the discussion llists was evoked. The 
direction decided that messages on  this list would be moderated before 
publication. The messages voilating the code of use for discussions lists will 
be rejected" 
The code of conduct: 
La charte : 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimédia_France/Documents/Charte_d%27utilisation_des_listes_de_discussion_de_Wikimédia_France
 
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikim%C3%A9dia_France/Documents/Charte_d%27utilisation_des_listes_de_discussion_de_Wikim%C3%A9dia_France>
The moderation progressively becomes a tool of censorship, rejecting numerous 
messages under the motive that they contain reference to an employee or 
criticism concerning the direction (as in the case in june 2017 for an 
annoucement of the group in Lyon called cabale lyonnaise) 
 
 
December 2016
Benoit Prieur receives by mail a letter with threats of a legal procedure from 
the law firm Hugot, mandated by the CA then in place. As he was often absent 
from his home at that moment, he did not go and fetch the registered letter 
that was sent to him. In january 2017, he receives the letter that has been 
sent to him a second time. 
 
January 2017
Emeric Vallespi becomes a mentor for Antoine Lesieur's politcal party 
(https://www.poledesjeunesreformateurs.com/nos-soutiens) 
<https://www.poledesjeunesreformateurs.com/nos-soutiens%29>. Emeric does not 
present any COI declaration to the internal assessment group within Wikimedia 
France.
 
January 14-15, 2017
Strategy week end
The meeting is held with members of the board, employees and referents. 
Referents repr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle

2017-07-11 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi James, 

We are working on a translation, but are quite exhausted as recent events 
develop. 

Sorry for the delay…

Nattes à chat / Natacha


> Le 12 juil. 2017 à 00:47, James Heilman  a écrit :
> 
> Chris do we have an EN copy of the timeline.
> 
> 2017-07-11 16:25 GMT-06:00 Chris Keating :
> 
>> I thought this email from Wikimedia France was worth wider circulation
>> within the movement.
>> 
>> Topics covered include:
>> * How WMFr feels community members are "destabilising and denigrating"
>> the chapter, and how Wikimedia France is responding by expelling some
>> of those people from the organisation, threatening them with legal
>> action, and temporarily closing its email discussion list
>> * Accusations that Christophe Henner has personally manipulated the
>> FDC process to cut WMFR's funding
>> * Also, a statement from WMFR that the WMF is also considering
>> withdrawing WMFr's chapter agreement
>> 
>> I recommend reading the whole email in conjunction with this timeline:
>> https://www.mathisbenguigui.eu/wikimedia-timeline/
>> 
>> It really is remarkable. I was lost for words on reading it, and I am
>> sure that you will be as well.
>> 
>> Frankly, unless there is prompt and wide-ranging change of the
>> leadership of Wikimedia France, I think that withdrawing WMFR's
>> chapter agreement is probably by far the best thing that the WMF can
>> do. I hope a better solution can be reached in the meantime.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: CA Wikimédia France 
>> Date: 2017-07-11 21:25 GMT+01:00
>> Subject: Wikimédia France - informations sur la situation actuelle
>> To: "M. Chris KEATING" 
>> 
>> 
>> Chers membres de Wikimédia France,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Depuis plusieurs mois et particulièrement ces dernières semaines,
>> quelques membres de la communauté wikimédienne ont violemment pris à
>> partie des salariés de l’association et des membres du conseil
>> d’administration, et ceci d’une façon irrationnelle, irresponsable, et
>> à certains titres répréhensible par la loi.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cette action de déstabilisation et de dénigrement non seulement n’a
>> aucun fondement sérieux ou légitime, mais elle contrevient aux règles
>> et valeurs du mouvement Wikimédia.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Face aux excès et aux mensonges de ces détracteurs, devant leur refus
>> du dialogue et leur mépris des règles qui régissent notre gouvernance,
>> nous avons pris plusieurs résolutions que nous tenions à porter à
>> votre connaissance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> En premier lieu, nous condamnons très fermement les propos diffamants
>> qui ont été publiquement diffusés et relayés, notamment sur les
>> réseaux sociaux, et qui portent atteinte au respect des personnes et à
>> la dignité humaine, en recourant parfois aux parallèles les plus
>> douteux. C’est indigne, c’est inexcusable, et cela doit être banni de
>> notre communauté, sauf à perdre le sens de toute valeur et de tout bon
>> sens.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> La récente consultation menée auprès de l’ensemble de nos membres a
>> d’ailleurs confirmé l’exaspération et l’incompréhension de beaucoup
>> d’entre vous quant à ces pratiques de dénigrement qui portent atteinte
>> à l’image de notre association et de nos projets.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Les violences morales et les dérives de quelques-uns, alors même
>> qu’ils ont toujours été considérés avec égard, ne sauraient mettre à
>> mal une œuvre collective dont la bonne marche repose, une fois encore,
>> sur le respect des personnes et des règles qui encadrent notre
>> activité.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A quel titre ces quelques personnes auraient-elles le pouvoir
>> d’inventer une crise de confiance ou de remettre en cause ces règles ?
>> Aucun. Sont-elles détentrices d’une autorité supérieure sur notre
>> collectif, que nous veillons à accompagner le mieux possible ? Non !
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Notre mission première est d’assurer l’intégrité de notre association
>> et de nos projets ainsi que la protection des salariés (ce qui est une
>> obligation légale du conseil d’administration). Aussi, nous dénonçons
>> avec la même fermeté des actes qui ne sont dictés que par des guerres
>> d’ego et des aigreurs personnelles, mais se drapent dans des
>> argumentations morales irrecevables.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> C’est pourquoi, dans le respect de nos statuts, nous avons aussi tenu
>> à prendre des décisions qui s’imposent afin de mettre chacun face à
>> ses responsabilités :
>> 
>> Fermeture de la liste mail discussions (à laquelle les salariés ont
>> été désabonnés mercredi 5 juillet par mesure conservatoire). Sa
>> réouverture sera discutée par le CA dans 10 jours à compter de l’envoi
>> de ce courrier.
>> 
>> Engagement d’une procédure d’exclusion de l’association des personnes
>> qui ont ouvertement, par leurs propos diffamants, nui à l’association
>> et/ou ont été à l’origine d’actes de harcèlement.
>> 
>> Refus de quelques 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 29: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#20)

2017-06-29 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Katherine, 

I wish a nice holiday to all the WMF staff in the US! Thank you for this 
comprehensive and detailed summary, it’s great to have a diggest pinpointing at 
suggestions that one would not have noticed otherwise. 

I completely agree with the Australian community: we need more appropriate help 
to start editing. This is what the French community tried with the WikiMOOC. It 
actually generated tutorials and content that anyone running an editathon or a 
workshop can use (in French). I must thank Jules Xenard (Jules78120) for his 
inspiring role in coordinating  & leading the French Wikimooc.

I am personally glad to have been able to participate in this survey, and to 
see that someone is actually looking into into detail. 
Being able to hear about other communities and chapters makes us feel being 
part of a global movement, stepping over borders and languages. 

#whatmakesmehappythisweek !

Kind regards (and a nice holiday) 

Natacha / Nattes à chat





> Le 30 juin 2017 à 02:48, Katherine Maher  a écrit :
> 
> Hi all!
> 
> *Summary: The summary of the Cycle 2 discussions is now online.*
> 
> A summary of the Cycle 2 discussions has been posted on Meta-Wiki.[1]
> Please review the summaries, they’re really informative![2] In the
> meantime, I wanted to highlight some of the things you said during this
> most recent cycle:
> 
> Australian Community participants said we can only create a trusted source
> of knowledge if we are a good community. They also discussed problems
> dealing with new users, and more appropriate help in starting editing.[3]
> 
> Some participants in the Wikimedia Chile Strategy meetup believed that
> without healthy and inclusive communities, content will become “impossible
> and irrelevant”.[4] Marco Correa Pérez, Wikimedia Chile President, and the
> language liaison for the Spanish community, also spoke about this event
> during our monthly metrics and activities meeting earlier today.[5]
> 
> Members of the Wikimedians of Korea User Group talked about improving human
> translation capabilities, the environment for multimedia uploading,
> understanding cultural diversity, and mobile editing.[6]
> 
> On the French Wikipedia discussion participants think we should involve
> experts to improve the verifiability of content, stop “confronting” humans
> against machines. They believe that if we want Wikimedia to be a force in
> the broader knowledge ecosystem, Wikimedia must partner with institutional
> actors to build legitimacy.[7]
> 
> We will be starting Cycle 3 in the next few days. In addition to the
> community and organized group discussions, we have hosted conversations
> with more than 150 experts and partners or potential partners. We have also
> been conducting research in both countries where Wikimedia is well known,
> and those regions where we are not.
> 
> This final cycle is dedicated to considering the findings from these
> conversations with experts and independent research. We want to consider
> the challenges and opportunities that have been identified, and how we may
> want to evolve in response to changes in the world around us.
> These conversations, along the results from cycles 1 and 2, will be used by
> the drafting group to write the draft strategic direction, which will be
> available for your review in August.
> 
> *On a related note*
> 
> We are in the middle of a holiday week in the United States, and as a
> result some Foundation staff are enjoying time off with family and friends.
> Responses may be a bit delayed as a result. I wish everyone enjoying
> holidays have a safe, restful, and joyful time away!
> 
> Bene habeas (Latin translation: “May it be well for you”)
> 
> Katherine
> 
> PS. A version of this message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.[8]
> 
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/Cycle_2/Final_summary
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/Cycle_2/Australian_Community
> [4]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/Cycle_2/Wikimedia_Chile_-_Strategy_meetup_in_Santiago_(June_6,_2017)
> [5]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_metrics_and_activities_meetings/2017-06
> [6]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/Cycle_2/Wikimedians_of_Korea_User_Group
> [7]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/Cycle_2/French_Wikipedia
> [8]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Updates/29_June_2017_-_Update_20_on_Wikimedia_movement_strategy_process
> 
> -- 
> Katherine Maher
> 
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> 149 New Montgomery Street
> San Francisco, CA 94105
> 
> +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> +1 (415) 712 4873
> kma...@wikimedia.org
> https://annual.wikimedia.org
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What to do when the WMF is stingy with the community?

2017-06-28 Thread Natacha Rault
no comprendo!
> Le 28 juin 2017 à 20:09, Ivan Martínez  a écrit :
> 
> Hola David.
> 
> Hasta donde entendí está escrito en la subvención solicitada un total de 36
> 000 euros, y el resto iba a ser cubierto por fondos que provienen de WMDE.
> ¿No es así?. Como voluntario del Comité de Subvenciones a Conferencias,
> quedo pendiente y en consideración de tú comentario.
> 
> Saludos,
> 
> 2017-06-28 13:02 GMT-05:00 Dariusz Jemielniak :
> 
>> hi David,
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 7:52 PM, David Cuenca Tudela 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Recently the review for the Wikidata conference grant application has
>>> started, and I have complained that the funds allocated are insuficient
>> to
>>> cover the needs of the grants. The requested amount for the grants was
>>> 36,000 EUR, but in my opinion that should be at least 72,000 EUR.
>>> 
>> 
>> You realize that this is pretty much what an annual budget of a small
>> Wikimedia chapter is, right?
>> 
>> 
>>> I have the feeling that the WMF is sitting on a pile of money just giving
>>> breadcrumbs to the community, and the community has to suffer in silence
>>> about this stinginess.
>>> 
>> 
>> The WMF, just as the movement, has a responsibility to our donors, to spend
>> the money wisely and frugally. We surely do not always do so, but we try.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Why are there two standards? One standard seems to be that everything
>> that
>>> 
>> the WMF needs to allocate can go unsupervised, whereas another standard
>>> seems to apply to community activities where every penny is so supervised
>>> that it becomes a pain in the ass to organize anything big.
>>> 
>> 
>> The WMF's spending is actually reviewed and commented on by the community
>> and the FDC.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> The Wikidata Conference needs more funds to be a success and I think that
>>> in the grand scheme of things, the money requested is just peanuts
>> compared
>>> to the money that the WMF has collected from donors.
>>> 
>> 
>> I believe we have a responsibility to treat our donor's contributions with
>> respect and care. I don't think that 70k Euro is peanuts, and rarely you
>> will find any foundation or NGO considering such an amount to be
>> insignificant.
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> dariusz
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Deutschland: Annual Report 2016

2017-06-06 Thread Natacha Rault
This is an incredibble result. Congratulation! 
Natacha 
Le 6 juin 2017 à 11:21, Cornelius Kibelka  a 
écrit :

No, it means 15,000 new (paying) members of the association Wikimedia
Deutschland.

However, we also try to recruit new authors/editors via banner campaigns
and are running several of them throughout the year. If you are interested
in this, consider joining Verena's session at Wikimania about "On-Wiki
Campaigning to Engage New Editors"[1]

Cheers
Cornelius


[1] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/On-Wiki_
Campaigning_to_Engage_New_Editors

On 6 June 2017 at 07:36, James Heilman  wrote:

> Does "15,000 new members to the organization" mean that everyone who edits
> DE WP is a member? If so that is amazing :-)
> 
> James
> 
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Anna Stillwell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thank you. Well done. 15,000 new members to the organization?
>> I'd love to talk with you about this, Nicole.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 6:41 AM, Samuel Patton 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree, the report is great and the videos are inspiring. Thanks for
>>> sharing!
>>> 
>>> sam
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:15 AM, NC Hasive  wrote:
>>> 
 Really very impressive report. Like the way to present the annual
>> report.
 
 Hasive
 
 On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Erik Zachte 
>>> wrote:
 
> Wow, very impressive report overall!
> 
> I particularly love the videos.
> They are quite informative, the ones with real people are a great
> introduction to what editing entails,
> the animated ones are entertaining and inspiring.
> These videos imo deserve to be used on many of our projects,
>> localized
>>> or
> subtitled in many languages.
> 
> Erik
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: WikimediaAnnounce-l [mailto:wikimediaannounce-l-
> boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Ebber
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 6:23
> To: wikimediaannounce-l
> Subject: [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Deutschland: Annual
>> Report
> 2016
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> We have recently published our Annual Report 2016. If you would
> like
>> to
> learn more about examples of Wikimedia Deutschland's projects and
> programmes from last year, you might want to read about one or more
>> of
 the
> following:
> 
> * our new editors campaign,
> * our successes with Wikidata,
> * our Technical Wishes project,
> * our achievements in the political and legal field,
> * our work for Open Education & Open Science
> * our growth in membership numbers
> * our regionalisation efforts
> * our work for the international movement
> 
> Inspired by the WMF's recent Annual Reports, we have – for the
> first
>>> time
> – created a visually appealing, responsive online version that also
>>> works
> pretty well on mobile. https://2016.wikimedia.de/en
> 
> If you rather prefer to print it, please be patient: We will
> publish
>>> the
> oldschool PDF version and link it on the meta [[Reports]] page next
>>> week.
> 
> Happy reading,
> Nicole
> 
> 
> --
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> Movement Strategy Track Lead: Organized Groups
> 
> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
> e.
> V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
>>> Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
>>> Finanzamt
> für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

2017-05-21 Thread Natacha Rault
Congratulation and good luck! 
Natacha Rault
> Le 21 mai 2017 à 09:35, Pierre-Selim <pierre-se...@huard.info> a écrit :
> 
> Congratulations Maria, James and Dariusz.
> 
> Le 21 mai 2017 09:31, "Steinsplitter Wiki" <steinsplitter-w...@live.com> a
> écrit :
> 
>> Congrats.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Von: WikimediaAnnounce-l <wikimediaannounce-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>> im Auftrag von matanya moses <mata...@foss.co.il>
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>> Betreff: [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia
>> Foundation Board of Trustees election
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> The certified results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees
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>> Congratulations to María Sefidari (User:Raystorm), Dariusz Jemielniak
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-14 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi there, I agree that we should take action and make it real hard for any 
corporation financially to achieve this result. 

Legal action is one thing, but the first thing to be done is to ensure that all 
affairs of the type are detected and publicly outed, on the very articles if 
there is large media coverage. I would be in favor of a banner over the article 
stating the article has been targeted for promotional purposes by the company. 

Maybe we should start a whole independent wikipedia project proposing a « 
conflict of interest rating » just as wikirating does it for financial markets. 

James, I dont believe this can be done at chapter level (at the current state 
of things) : it must be addressed by the WMF and the communities. 

Regards (I’ve just added sourced chunks of the controversies on the French wiki 
by the way, maybe we could ask the community to do it in every language?)

Nattes à chat
> Le 14 avr. 2017 à 07:49, James Heilman  a écrit :
> 
> With respect to Pine's request for more legal support to help deal with
> undisclosed paid editing issues, to that I strongly agree.
> 
> To better address these concerns we need the WMF, communities, and
> affiliate organizations to collaborate. It is a difficult problem to
> address.
> 
> James
> 
> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Pine W  wrote:
> 
>> I tend to think along James' lines more than Risker's.
>> 
>> Responding to Risker:
>> 
>> It seems to me that the key point that you're missing is that Burger King
>> altered Wikipedia content in order to execute this campaign. This wasn't a
>> simple case of an organization reusing existing Wikipedia content; the
>> organization appears to have altered Wikipedia content to suit their
>> purposes regardless of an obvious conflict of interest with Wikipedia's
>> purpose of being an educational resource rather than an advertising
>> platform.
>> 
>> It seems to me that entities of varying sizes -- from a start-up brand that
>> wants to make itself look important by having a Wikipedia article, to large
>> corporations and government officials -- will continue to alter Wikipedia
>> content in ways that are inappropriate and do a disservice to our readers
>> (including advertising, inserting "alternative facts" for medical and
>> political content, and eliminating negative information that certain people
>> and organizations find inconvenient) and cost editors' and administrators'
>> collective time and attention, until there is a financial price that is put
>> on this kind of behavior that is large enough to deter them. I don't see
>> why we should stand idly by as our products' quality and trustworthiness
>> are degraded and our resources are diverted. I'm hoping that WMF's
>> enforcement actions in this domain would more than pay for themselves
>> through financial penalties that WMF extracts from the wrongdoers.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Antoine, it is solvable in French and there are some very good practice 
manual online here is one from Switzerland 
https://www.unige.ch/rectorat/egalite/files/9414/0353/2732/charte_epicene_Chancelerie_guide_formulation_non_sexiste.pdf
 
.
 

You might all appreciate an English review of these themes from an academic 
perspective : http://www.fairlanguage.org/medias 


The form you cite underneath "Un/une adminstra-teur-trice » would never be 
used. One would rather write "un administrateur ou une administratrice » in 
this case. 

Kind regards,

Nattes à chat

> Le 6 avr. 2017 à 13:30, Antoine Musso  a écrit :
> 
> Le 05/04/2017 à 12:52, Fæ a écrit :
>> I'm taking that further by
>> proposing that we stick to a neutral gender for all our policies and
>> help pages. In practice this means that policies avoid using "he or
>> she" and stick to "they" or avoid using a pronoun at all. 
> 
> As a non native English speaker the use of a plural form definitely
> confuses me or at best.  The example takes a sentence from Commons:FAQ
> which roughly looks like:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when his or her picture is used.
> 
> With the proposal to instead:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when their picture is used.
> 
> Why isn't "picture" plural as well?  If using masculine as a neutral
> pronoum is the issue, just stop using the pronoum entirely. Eg one can
> instead write:
> 
> A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
> 
> 
> That is going to be quite a challenge when ported to other languages.
> For 'A photographer', the english indefinite article is gender less.
> 
> In french that would be either 'un' (masculine) or 'une' (feminine).
> What some are advocating is using:
> 
>  Un/une photographe
> 
> If the noun varies as well, that becomes messy. Here for 'administrateur':
> 
> Un/une adminstra-teur-trice
> 
> That is not solvable in french and all other latin based languages most
> probably have the same issue (blame Rome!).
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

2017-04-13 Thread Natacha Rault
Hi Florence
Just a small remark : actually the message that was used in the end on the site 
notice is gender neutral, and was acceptable for all. There is sometimes a way 
out of the binary gendering in French, « nous" for example has no attributed 
gender. Using wikimedien·ne·s does not include people who do not want to be 
affiliated to any gender at all (we say a-genre in French, but I dont know the 
word in english). 
I take an example: instead of saying « lecteurs et lectrices », one can say « 
le lectorat » and nobody would even notice (even the persons opposed to the 
feminization of titles). Now here there was a big debate on Theresa May’s 
 page, and in the end one can read 
now « première ministre » which is probably one of the first time the community 
voted in this direction (with lots and lots go heated debates).
The French community is not as irrational about neutral gender as it used to 
be, that’s for sure. 
So I would not be as pessimist as you are actually, the French community is not 
used to using gender neutral language but there are examples of it. See for 
example there for the next Wikiconvention  
where the 
term « participant·e·s » shows up in the first page…
Kind regards, 
Nattes à chat



> Le 7 avr. 2017 à 21:58, Florence Devouard  a écrit :
> 
> A couple of weeks ago, I was asked - in my capacity of meta admin - to change 
> the phrasing of a site notice on meta, meant to call for participation to the 
> month of Francophonie.
> 
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Centralnotice-template-WikiFranca_MC17=prev=16482259
> 
> The sentence of the call in the site notice was in language neutral 
> terminology.
> 
> "les Wikimédien.nes" instead of the more traditionnal but non neutral "les 
> Wikimédiens".
> 
> That phrasing raised an uproar on the French pump. So I replaced the term by 
> "nous" (we). Seems to settle things.
> 
> Clearly the French speaking community is not ready to adopt the gender 
> neutral specific language accross the francophones projects. Alternatives 
> (such as the "we") are possible but not always.
> 
> Florence
> 
> 
> 
> Le 06/04/2017 14:58, Fæ a écrit :
>> Thanks for the examples from French and I'm sure that our experienced
>> translators will have in mind specific best practice guides to turn
>> to. I like your illustration of "un/une adminstra-teur-trice" to show
>> the challenges. The use of "singular they" remains uncomfortable for
>> many English readers, but it has become a recommended standard for
>> journalists writing in English.[1]
>> 
>> Once the principle of gender neutrality is agreed, I just don't know
>> what our next steps will turn out to be for non-English versions.
>> However I am much encouraged by the positive views on Commons, and I'm
>> hopeful we can, and should, find a way to set a better example for our
>> fellow projects in our aim to feel welcoming for all contributors. :-)
>> 
>> Links
>> 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Fae
>> Wikimedia LGBT+
>> 
>> On 6 April 2017 at 12:30, Antoine Musso  wrote:
>>> Le 05/04/2017 à 12:52, Fæ a écrit :
  I'm taking that further by
 proposing that we stick to a neutral gender for all our policies and
 help pages. In practice this means that policies avoid using "he or
 she" and stick to "they" or avoid using a pronoun at all.
>>> 
>>> As a non native English speaker the use of a plural form definitely
>>> confuses me or at best.  The example takes a sentence from Commons:FAQ
>>> which roughly looks like:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when his or her picture is used.
>>> 
>>> With the proposal to instead:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when their picture is used.
>>> 
>>> Why isn't "picture" plural as well?  If using masculine as a neutral
>>> pronoum is the issue, just stop using the pronoum entirely. Eg one can
>>> instead write:
>>> 
>>> A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That is going to be quite a challenge when ported to other languages.
>>> For 'A photographer', the english indefinite article is gender less.
>>> 
>>> In french that would be either 'un' (masculine) or 'une' (feminine).
>>> What some are advocating is using:
>>> 
>>>   Un/une photographe
>>> 
>>> If the noun varies as well, that becomes messy. Here for 'administrateur':
>>> 
>>>  Un/une adminstra-teur-trice
>>> 
>>> That is not solvable in french and all other latin based languages most
>>> probably have the same issue (blame Rome!).
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>> 
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

2017-03-23 Thread Natacha Rault
Ok so here is the link to the film. It is actually the first part of the 
conference. 

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3AConf%C3%A9rence_sur_le_langage_%C3%A9pic%C3%A8ne_-_1.webm

Cheers, 

Natacha 


PS in french I'm afraid...
Le 23 mars 2017 à 13:36, Florence Devouard a écrit :

Eh. We need the link to the movie !


Flo

Le 23/03/2017 à 08:48, Natacha Rault a écrit :
> Here what's making me happy this week!
> The filmed conference on non sexist language in French that we held at the 
> francophone wikiconvention in Paris in august 2016 was elected media of the 
> day on commons last tuesday.
> Four of the women we trained last year in a gender gap contribution workshop 
> in Lausanne asked us to do another in Sion (Canton of Valais in Switzerland) 
> and we have 19 participants! Some of them registered in the WikiMooc, the 
> french free massive online open course to learn how to edit Wikipedia.
> So I have a sense that we are really building a community here and this makes 
> me feel that all the time invested was worth and it was not only something 
> evolving around national issues but truly about something global going over 
> national identities and bridging cultural and ideological gaps as well.
> 
> Nattes à chat
> 
>> Le 22 mars 2017 à 21:56, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> a 
>> écrit :
>> 
>> Here's what making me happy this week:
>> 
>> The Hebrew Wikipedia community completed initial training of ORES, so ORES
>> can be enabled in this language soon.
>> 
>> 48 Wikipedians manually examined 5000 random diffs and marked them as
>> damaging or not, and whether they appear to have been done in good faith or
>> not.
>> 
>> If you keep hearing about ORES and you have not idea what it actually is,
>> then you'll be able to see it very soon in Recent Changes in the English
>> Wikipedia. I tried it briefly, and I was amazed: it guessed pretty well
>> which recent changes are likely to be vandalism. This technology is likely
>> to revolutionize how Wikimedians patrol their wikis for bad edits, and make
>> unintentionally bad edits less damaging.
>> 
>> If you'd like to add ORES support for your wiki, look at
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_labels
>> 
>> Kudos to users EpochFail, Ladsgroup, Mooeypoo and everybody else involved
>> for making this possible.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> ‪“We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>> 
>> 2017-03-22 22:37 GMT+02:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> Borrowing an idea from Wikipedia Weekly, I think it would be nice to have a
>>> thread about the good things that are happening around the Wikimedia
>>> universe. If people enjoy this then it can be started (by anyone) on a
>>> weekly basis.
>>> 
>>> My comment for this week: I enjoyed reading a post from the Wikimedia blog:
>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/03/21/why-i-elements/: "Why I periodically
>>> write about the elements on Wikipedia", by Mikhail Boldyrev.
>>> 
>>> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

2017-03-23 Thread Natacha Rault
Flo you can find it on youtube and commons under les sans pages. 
I am on my mobile now but will send it later! 
\o/ let's fill the gender gap cos WikilovesWomen! 

> Le 23 mars 2017 à 13:36, Florence Devouard <fdevou...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> Eh. We need the link to the movie !
> 
> 
> Flo
> 
>> Le 23/03/2017 à 08:48, Natacha Rault a écrit :
>> Here what's making me happy this week!
>> The filmed conference on non sexist language in French that we held at the 
>> francophone wikiconvention in Paris in august 2016 was elected media of the 
>> day on commons last tuesday.
>> Four of the women we trained last year in a gender gap contribution workshop 
>> in Lausanne asked us to do another in Sion (Canton of Valais in Switzerland) 
>> and we have 19 participants! Some of them registered in the WikiMooc, the 
>> french free massive online open course to learn how to edit Wikipedia.
>> So I have a sense that we are really building a community here and this 
>> makes me feel that all the time invested was worth and it was not only 
>> something evolving around national issues but truly about something global 
>> going over national identities and bridging cultural and ideological gaps as 
>> well.
>> 
>> Nattes à chat
>> 
>>> Le 22 mars 2017 à 21:56, Amir E. Aharoni <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> a 
>>> écrit :
>>> 
>>> Here's what making me happy this week:
>>> 
>>> The Hebrew Wikipedia community completed initial training of ORES, so ORES
>>> can be enabled in this language soon.
>>> 
>>> 48 Wikipedians manually examined 5000 random diffs and marked them as
>>> damaging or not, and whether they appear to have been done in good faith or
>>> not.
>>> 
>>> If you keep hearing about ORES and you have not idea what it actually is,
>>> then you'll be able to see it very soon in Recent Changes in the English
>>> Wikipedia. I tried it briefly, and I was amazed: it guessed pretty well
>>> which recent changes are likely to be vandalism. This technology is likely
>>> to revolutionize how Wikimedians patrol their wikis for bad edits, and make
>>> unintentionally bad edits less damaging.
>>> 
>>> If you'd like to add ORES support for your wiki, look at
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_labels
>>> 
>>> Kudos to users EpochFail, Ladsgroup, Mooeypoo and everybody else involved
>>> for making this possible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>> ‪“We're living in pieces,
>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>>> 
>>> 2017-03-22 22:37 GMT+02:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Borrowing an idea from Wikipedia Weekly, I think it would be nice to have a
>>>> thread about the good things that are happening around the Wikimedia
>>>> universe. If people enjoy this then it can be started (by anyone) on a
>>>> weekly basis.
>>>> 
>>>> My comment for this week: I enjoyed reading a post from the Wikimedia blog:
>>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/03/21/why-i-elements/: "Why I periodically
>>>> write about the elements on Wikipedia", by Mikhail Boldyrev.
>>>> 
>>>> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 19 March 2017)

2017-03-23 Thread Natacha Rault
Here what's making me happy this week!
The filmed conference on non sexist language in French that we held at the 
francophone wikiconvention in Paris in august 2016 was elected media of the day 
on commons last tuesday. 
Four of the women we trained last year in a gender gap contribution workshop in 
Lausanne asked us to do another in Sion (Canton of Valais in Switzerland) and 
we have 19 participants! Some of them registered in the WikiMooc, the french 
free massive online open course to learn how to edit Wikipedia.
So I have a sense that we are really building a community here and this makes 
me feel that all the time invested was worth and it was not only something 
evolving around national issues but truly about something global going over 
national identities and bridging cultural and ideological gaps as well.

Nattes à chat

> Le 22 mars 2017 à 21:56, Amir E. Aharoni  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Here's what making me happy this week:
> 
> The Hebrew Wikipedia community completed initial training of ORES, so ORES
> can be enabled in this language soon.
> 
> 48 Wikipedians manually examined 5000 random diffs and marked them as
> damaging or not, and whether they appear to have been done in good faith or
> not.
> 
> If you keep hearing about ORES and you have not idea what it actually is,
> then you'll be able to see it very soon in Recent Changes in the English
> Wikipedia. I tried it briefly, and I was amazed: it guessed pretty well
> which recent changes are likely to be vandalism. This technology is likely
> to revolutionize how Wikimedians patrol their wikis for bad edits, and make
> unintentionally bad edits less damaging.
> 
> If you'd like to add ORES support for your wiki, look at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_labels
> 
> Kudos to users EpochFail, Ladsgroup, Mooeypoo and everybody else involved
> for making this possible.
> 
> 
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> ‪“We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
> 
> 2017-03-22 22:37 GMT+02:00 Pine W :
> 
>> Borrowing an idea from Wikipedia Weekly, I think it would be nice to have a
>> thread about the good things that are happening around the Wikimedia
>> universe. If people enjoy this then it can be started (by anyone) on a
>> weekly basis.
>> 
>> My comment for this week: I enjoyed reading a post from the Wikimedia blog:
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/03/21/why-i-elements/: "Why I periodically
>> write about the elements on Wikipedia", by Mikhail Boldyrev.
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcoming 19 long-time Wikimedians as Coordinators for Movement strategy

2017-03-09 Thread Natacha Rault
Thank you for your engagenent! I am glad to see that the Francophone rep is 
from Africa, and I hope we can engage on the representation of women. 

Kind regards,

Nattes à chat

> Le 10 mars 2017 à 08:48, Yaroslav Blanter  a écrit :
> 
> Thanks the coordinators. I do not know everybody on the list, but I
> recognize there names of many excellent people.
> 
> I also see there a name which has rung a bell for me, and the sound of the
> bell was somewhat alarming. I checked and found indeed that the coordinator
> has a sizable block log on the Russian Wikipedia, their home project, for
> actions which include trolling and disruptive editing, and at some point
> had to be placed under a topic ban. The most recent block is one and half
> years ago. Which poses a natural questions whether the candidates were
> actually screened.
> 
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
> 
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 7:28 AM, Anna Stillwell 
> wrote:
> 
>> Welcome. Thank you for joining us and offering your talents.
>> /a
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Katherine Maher 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Welcome all! I am so grateful for your participation and perspective as
>> we
>>> begin this work.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 00:46 Tanweer Morshed 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Welcom to all the 19 Wikimedians! I see, most of the names are familiar
>>> to
 me. Thank you all for your dedication for the movement.
 
 
 Regards,
 Tanweer
 
 
 Regards,
 Tanweer
 
 
 On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Guillaume Paumier <
 gpaum...@wikimedia.org>
 wrote:
 
> Hello,
> 
> As most of you are aware, the Wikimedia movement has embarked on an
> ambitious initiative to discuss our collective future and determine a
> movement-wide strategic direction. [1]
> 
> The movement is composed of people in many different roles, notably
> individual contributors who may not be affiliated with any organized
> group. It can be challenging to reach individual contributors and
> involve them in strategy discussions, since they may not monitor the
> usual communication channels, and they may not think that strategy
> discussions are relevant to them.
> 
> For this year’s movement strategy process, the Wikimedia Foundation
> has decided to hire 19 part-time discussion coordinators to better
> bridge the gap between the strategy discussions and local communities
> of contributors.
> 
> Today, I am thrilled to announce that we have concluded the search
>> and
> assembled a stellar team of 19 long-time Wikimedians, who have agreed
> to join the movement strategy efforts in this capacity.
> 
> As you go through the team’s page on Meta-Wiki, you will see many
> familiar names. [2] The team is composed of Abbad, Bohdan, Chico,
> Gereon, Jonatan, Ran, Marco, Nahid, Niccolò, Tomasz, Robin, Samuel,
> Satdeep, Szymon, Oleg, Takashi, Todd, Tuan, and Venus. Because of the
> team’s geographic distribution, Jan Eissfeldt, from the Foundation’s
> Support and Safety team, has agreed to help lead the day-to-day
> activities of the group of Asian language coordinators.
> 
> All the coordinators started on Monday for a 3-month contract, and
> they have already been hard at work, translating materials on Meta
>> and
> organizing the outreach to their local communities. [3] Some will
> focus their efforts on specific language communities [4], and others
> will support an array of smaller communities.
> 
> If you are interested in working with the coordinators to bridge the
> gap with your local communities, I invite you to take a look at the
> description of the coordinator role, and sign up using the form on
> that page. [5] You can also contact them directly via their talk
>> page.
> 
> I want to express my deepest gratitude to everyone who was involved
>> in
> this ultra-fast hiring process, most notably the Foundation’s Talent
>> &
> Culture team, who handled the recruiting and administrative
>> onboarding
> masterfully, and the Community Engagement department, who reached out
> to their contacts, thoroughly reviewed applications, and made this
> ambitious wave of recruiting ridiculously easy for me.
> 
> Please join me in welcoming Venus, Tuan, Todd, Takashi, Oleg, Szymon,
> Satdeep, Samuel, Robin, Tomasz, Niccolò, Nahid, Marco, Ran, Jonatan,
> Gereon, Chico, Bohdan, and Abbad in their new role.
> 
> 
> Guillaume Paumier
> 
> 
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017
> 
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/People/Strategy_coordinators
> 
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Track_B/Outreach/Map
> 
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-02 Thread Natacha Rault
Had the WMF statement been issued on Wikipedia, now that would have neutrality 
issues from a wikioedian point of view.
The WMF is not Wikipedia, and does have a political activity: being in favour 
of sharing free knowledge is altogether a political statement, as freedom of 
sharing knowledge is not something which is accepted by all political regimes 
(please remember the globality of the movement, this is not just an american 
issue, it is a planetary one). One only needs to think about the influence of 
Diderot and the encyclopedists in the French revolution to understand that an 
encyclopedia, albeit seemingly neutral, has very concrete political influences 
in major political regime changes.
That the WMF which relies on the free movement of people and ideas to fulfil 
its mission should be worried and issue a statement is quite normal - not to 
say courageous. After all there is a notion called "freedom of speech". 
A foundation has actually no obligation to be fully transparent, and WMF is 
making notable efforts in a context  where advertising, non disclosed paid 
editing and lobbying are representing (in my opinion) a much greater threat to 
neutrality than a public statement on this particular matter.
I am personnallly pretty impressed from across the ocean: in the 30s had some 
leaders shown more courage maybe Hitler would not have been able to start a 
genocide. 
This not only political, this is common sense, and living in Switzerland might 
influence a very pragmatic and down to the roots approach.
We are watching from over the ocean, as europeans these refugee bans remind us 
of very dark memories.
 Katherine Maher did a statement and so what? That does not prevent wikipedians 
from editing, and confronting opinions to approach NPOV (actually there is no 
achieved NPOV on Wikipedia in what concerns the gender biases as far as I see 
it)
Bravo Katherine this is what I say, Sandberg has not even uttered a tweet! 
Neutrality should not mean surrending to the powerful by remaining silent. 

Nattes à chat / Natacha 




> Le 3 févr. 2017 à 00:05, Leigh Thelmadatter  a écrit :
> 
> I voiced my opposition to the statement on Facebook but Yair states the case 
> far more eloquently. Many acts by many countries could be a possible threat 
> to Wikimedia, where do we draw the line?
> Why was there no community discussion prior to the statement? 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 02/02/2017, at 3:37 p.m., Yair Rand  wrote:
>> 
>> The Wikimedia movement is both global and very ideologically diverse, and
>> has many contributors who have strong opinions in one direction or another
>> on certain political issues facing their area of the world. Many of these
>> contributors find it difficult to avoid using Wikimedia forums and
>> institutions to discuss or advocate for issues they feel very strongly
>> about. Recently, political advocacy on Wikimedia forums has risen
>> substantially, especially on this mailing list.
>> 
>> While I sympathize with the difficulties these contributors face in
>> remaining silent, it is important to consider the substantial damage such
>> actions can cause to the movement. We will be much worse off if half of any
>> given country's political spectrum can no longer cooperate in our mission
>> due to compunctions against supporting a community which hosts those who
>> use the community to advocate for positions that some may find
>> unacceptable. The issue of inadvertently alienating participants because of
>> politics has a self-reinforcing element: As we lose contributors
>> representing ideological areas, we have fewer willing to advocate for an
>> environment which allows them to participate without being bombarded by
>> hostile political advocacy. We are precariously close to the point of no
>> return on this, but I am optimistic that the situation is recoverable.
>> 
>> As an initial measure, I propose adding the names of a certain country's
>> top political leaders to this list's spam filter. More generally, I think a
>> stricter stance on avoiding political advocacy on Wikimedia projects is
>> warranted.
>> 
>> We face a somewhat more difficult situation with the Wikimedia Foundation
>> itself. Partly as a result of being relatively localized within a
>> geographic area and further limited to several professions, I suspect the
>> Foundation tends to be more politically/ideologically homogeneous. With the
>> WMF, we risk much more than just alienating much of the world, we risk our
>> Neutrality.
>> 
>> How far we must go to maintain neutrality has been a contentious issue over
>> the years. Existential threats have twice been responded to with major
>> community action, each with large prior discussion. (SOPA included an
>> extensive discussion and a poll with more than 500 respondents.) A previous
>> ED committed to firing everyone but part of the Ops team rather than accept
>> advertising, should lack of funds require it. 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] guidance from Foundation leadership as to where to draw the line on policy requests?

2017-02-02 Thread Natacha Rault
 I really want to thank the Wikimedia foundation and Katherine Maher for taking 
such a clear position on this matter. 

Kind ragards, 

Natacha Rault / Nattes à chat
> Le 2 févr. 2017 à 07:48, Bill Takatoshi <billtakato...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote:
>> Have you seen Katherine's statement at:
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/01/30/knowledge-knows-no-boundaries/
> 
> That statement is well worth reading. It says,
> 
> "we believe in a world that encourages and protects the open exchange
> of ideas and information, community and culture; where people of every
> country, language, and culture can freely collaborate without
> restriction"
> 
> "we will continue to stand up for our values of open discourse"
> 
> +1
> 
> The charter of this mailing list says "potential new Wikimedia
> projects and initiatives" are on topic here. There are no exceptions
> given.
> 
> If some participants want to restrict what other participants can say
> because their ideas are political, or don't conform closely enough to
> what Wikimedia is already doing, or are repetitive, or annoying, or
> opposed to somebody else's politics, then a new mailing list should be
> created, Wikimedia-l-restricted, where the forbidden topics can be
> specified clearly and without ambiguity, and all of the people who
> want to restrict what other people can say can enjoy restricting each
> other.
> 
> Good luck with that.
> 
> The complaints about messages complaining about recent political
> events FAR MORE ANNOYING AND FAR MORE INAPPROPRIATE than the
> complaints about recent political events.
> 
> -Will
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

2017-01-31 Thread Natacha Rault
I dont think "Europe" and european countries cant be thrown in one potatoe bag. 
When I read this "Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world 
live and
work in Silicon Valley."  it reminds me, as I am French living in Geneva of the 
attitude of so called "developed" countries wanting to give good advice and 
impose their way of thinking to so called "underdeveloped countries" in the UN, 
 WTO and ILO sphere, as these guys always go from the premises of their 
inherent superiority.. 

Actually in Geneva we have the highest proportion of Nobel prizes per square 
kilometers (or that is what people out here think). This statement clearly 
would upset some people who are not included in that brilliantly creative 
talent pool...  It is actually the place where the www idea  stems from... 

Nattes à chat




Le 31 janv. 2017 à 17:03, Todd Allen a écrit :

I think that's an interesting thought in general, but what used to be true
still is today. Europe in general, and the UK in particular, has
significantly weaker free speech guarantees than the US does. This
manifests in quite a few ways, from "hate speech" to "right to be
forgotten" to "superinjunctions" to prohibitions against publishing the
name of certain people accused of criminal acts.

Moving to Europe would oblige the WMF to follow these restrictions. How
would that be avoided? If anything, Canada might be a better option in that
regard, but still far from perfect.

Also, I'd dispute that London is inherently more creative and vibrant than
SV. Some of the most brilliant and creative people in the world live and
work in Silicon Valley.

Todd
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] news events impacting the Foundation's ability to hire and its employees' ability to travel

2017-01-30 Thread Natacha Rault
I don't feel personnally that this post is not courteous. I see it as a 
proposition and a question echoing world wide concern on the matter (I am based 
in Switzerland), although I do understand that a answer from the WMF is 
delicate. 

Kind regards, 

Natacha 

Le 31 janv. 2017 à 00:51, Nathan a écrit :

It might be more effective, and certainly more courteous, if you could
avoid making essentially the same set of advocacy posts almost every day.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 6:38 PM, James Salsman  wrote:

> I propose that the Foundation issue a statement in support of striking
> Google employees:
> 
> http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/30/14446312/google-
> immigration-protest-walkout-trump-googlers-unite
> 
> And endorsing the call for a national general strike:
> 
> https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5r3wxp/
> forget_protest_trumps_actions_warrant_a_general/
> 
> (Except for the Lyft part, because one of its founders is on the
> adminstration's transition team.)
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:38 PM James Salsman  wrote:
> 
> Is this more appropriate for the Public Policy or Wikimedia-l list?
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/
> jurisprudence/2017/01/court_rulings_couldn_t_protect_
> everyone_detained_because_of_trump_s_immigration.html
> 
> 
> 
> Several permanent residents have apparently been tricked into signing
> 
> away their green cards while being detained without benefit of
> 
> counsel.
> 
> 
> 
> How many Foundation employees are affected by the travel ban?
> 
> 
> 
> Will the foundation join the calls for a general strike?
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

2016-12-20 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Marc, this is exactly the problem: focusing only on toddlers and on 
on-site solutions. when what parent need is focusing on the general problem of 
childcare wether on the site of wikimania or not. 

-Natacha 

> Le 11 nov. 2016 à 15:56, Marc-Andre  a écrit :
> 
> FWIW, there will be daycare at Montreal, for toddlers.  I expect that travel 
> expenses are more likely to make this service of use mostly to local 
> attendees, however, since traveling with kids is the bigger impediment.
> 
> --Marc
> 
> 
> On 2016-11-11 09:30 AM, Andrew Lih wrote:
>> Just wanted to add that it’s not just women who could use the help on child
>> care in order to attend conferences. It’s just good policy all around.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New Wikimedia DC Board Members

2016-10-31 Thread Natacha Rault
Dear Rosie, dear Kelly,

Bravo for this new function, it is certainly good news for anyone dedicated to 
the gender gap!
Good luck in these new responsibilities to both of you,

Nattes à chat / Natacha

> Le 30 oct. 2016 à 21:27, Kirill Lokshin  a 
> écrit :
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm very pleased to announce that Kelly Doyle and Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight 
> have joined the Wikimedia DC Board of Directors.
> 
> I'm sure that most of you already know Kelly and Rosie; for anyone who 
> doesn't, Kelly currently serves as the Wikipedian in Residence for Gender 
> Equity at West Virginia University Libraries, while Rosie is a co-founder of 
> WikiProject Women in Red and the WikiWomen's User Group, among many other 
> projects.
> 
> Please join me in congratulating them on their new roles!
> 
> Cheers,
> Kirill
> 
> --
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> Wikimedia District of Columbia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Tremendous Wiktionary User Group

2016-10-19 Thread Natacha Rault
This is really great news, and I hope this group will thrive! I have met 
represent ants of the fr:Wiktionary from Lyon, and I love this project 
(especially with regards to its remarkable contribution to non sexist language 
in French). 


Natacha Rault / Nattes à chat

n.ra...@me.com



Le 19 oct. 2016 à 10:40, Carlos M. Colina <ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> a écrit :

> Dear all,
> 
> I am pleased to announce, on behalf of the Affiliations Committee, the 
> recognition of a new Wikimedia User Group: Tremendous Wiktionary User Group 
> [1]
> 
> The idea behind this new User Group is to promote and develop Wiktionaries, 
> raise the awareness of this project and collaborate not just between 
> wiktionaries but also with other projects such as Wikidata.
> 
> Welcome, Wiktionarians!
> 
> 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/Tremendous_Wiktionary_User_Group
> 
> 
> -- 
> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua 
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> Carlos M. Colina
> Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve 
> <http://wikimedia.org.ve>
> Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee
> Phone: +972-52-4869915
> Twitter: @maor_x
> 
> El logotipo y el nombre de Wikimedia, Wikimedia Venezuela, Wikipedia, 
> Wikimedia Commons, Wikimedia Incubator, Wiktionary y otros proyectos 
> relacionados son marcas registradas usadas bajo permiso expreso de su 
> titular, la Fundación Wikimedia, Inc., una organización sin fines de lucro. 
> Otros nombres y marcas pertenecen a sus respectivos propietarios.
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Outage for planned maintenance: No editing for two 30-minute periods next week

2016-04-16 Thread Natacha Rault
Well this is most unfortunate as we have a workshop with new contributors on 
the 19t! 
I wish I could have been informed much much earlier...
Nattes à chat 

Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 15 avr. 2016 à 20:32, Whatamidoing (WMF)/Sherry Snyder 
>  a écrit :
> 
> This is a reminder about next week's major data center migration: 
> 
> There will be NO EDITING for about 30 minutes on both Tuesday, 19 April, 
> beginning at 14:00 UTC and Thursday, 21 April, beginning at 14:00 UTC. 
> 
> This will affect ALL of the wikis in all languages and all projects.  You 
> will be able to read the wikis and to log in, but you will not be able to 
> edit. Read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech/Server_switch_2016 for more 
> information.   
> 
> Please share this information with editors and other contributors you know. 
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
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