Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
for the participants involved. On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Nathan <nawr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:11 PM, Justin Senseney <jsens...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

2016-05-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1 to that question, which is the biggest flag I have here. "The highest standards of confidentiality" is nice but, as you note, people presumably reached out to these individual Board members, rather than the whole Board, because they felt the individuals could be trusted a lot better than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Monday, 2 May 2016, Brion Vibber <bvib...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > One element I can answer: no, it does not contain flash objects, flash is > > not a tec

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
It seems like you can either deny James's knowledge of the technical/legal overlap or ask him questions, but probably not both :p. One element I can answer: no, it does not contain flash objects, flash is not a technology included in the Wikimedia stack on account of it barely being classifiable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Oliver Keyes
Honestly this is kind of a bewildering set of hypotheticals to me. You worry wikimedia is gathering new data and maybe selling it to marketers and maybe releasing it to the community, or not, or some of them, or all of them, based on: An edit titled 'fixed two errors in cookie names'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-30 Thread Oliver Keyes
Chris, Yeah, all I meant with my email was 'discussing whether Wikipedia is a bureaucracy on *any* mailing list is likely to be further supporting evidence to the average journalist' and have, since waking up and scanning the new posts to the thread, reached pretty much the same state of...piqued

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia is basically just another giant bureaucracy

2016-04-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
I'm honestly not sure what this thread is meant to achieve. Might I suggest that if you object to the reporting you contact the author, rather than drag their work in a largely-unknown internal mailing list? It's likely to be more productive. On Friday, 29 April 2016, Benjamin Lees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
nks, > GerardM > > On 17 April 2016 at 22:13, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Hoi, > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

2016-04-22 Thread Oliver Keyes
You're publishing on the main movement mailing list to complain about another user and ask Jimmy a yes/no question? This could've been handled with a neutral description of the background. I'm not sure if you're in a position to be frightened by the comments of long-term editors right now. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 7:05 PM, Pine W wrote: > Ironholds, I think that you're taking a negative interpretation. It seems > to me that any ED candidate is going to want to know what they're getting > into before agreeing to take the job, and if forks are on the horizon -- >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
Yes, Jimmy is effective in his board role - unfortunately, well, have you seen the threads about his behaviour in that role? If you instead mean he is only valuable as an icon or media figure because of it you'll need a better argument than a statement as if the claim is fact. Also, no, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
It's not a reason to *dismiss* it, no, but it's definitely not a reason to entirely reorganise our plans for organisational governance in case it turns out to get traction at *some* point. And that's what you're talking about here; making monumental changes to the timetable, scope and demands of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
That didn't really identify any of the questions. You're suggesting that counsel spend their time writing to agencies to ask about the copyright status of programs with the intent of considering taking them over, when we know almost nothing about them. Since you've identified the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation ED search steering group created

2016-04-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
So you're suggesting we don't find an ED for the biggest org in the movement because there's a thread on a mailing list about spinning bits of it off? I think hiring an ED can be done safely. Spinning elements off the WMF is something that has already been done, repeatedly, be it duties (the FDC,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-04-17 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sun, Apr 17, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > So when as a result of your yihad the worst of what you imagine comes out, > the most you have achieved is that you can say "this is why I think he is > an asshole". Then what. It does not change a thing.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] DARPA FOSSS programs of interest

2016-04-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
Off the top of my head: 1. Because we have absolutely no idea, from the briefs given, about the technological stack and how well it meshes with our existing expertise as a movement, or the WMF's existing expertise as a technical entity; 2. Because we have absolutely no idea, from the briefs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject Accuracy

2016-03-25 Thread Oliver Keyes
Featured Article, Good Article and point of view, in sequence. Hope that helps. On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Sorry but your alphabet soup makes it hard if not impossible to understand. > I do not edit en.wp and that should not be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] User interaction on Wikipedia --call for submissions

2016-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
While I agree with people that it's an uncommon and exclusionary phrase (and a confusing one!) it seems like Moushira fully acknowledges this and is going to work harder on this sort of problem in the future, for which I laud her. If we want to have a general conversation about language choice at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
Aye, the user-assessment model is kind of interesting, but agreed. When I think "who can explain complex things in relateable terms?", my answer has never been (and will never be) Bayesians. On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > They have correctly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Arbital, another Wikipedia competitor/complement

2016-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
I for one look forward to the open and inclusive educational experience provided by people who collectively lose their shit when presented with a highly improbable AI thought experiment[0] [0] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roko's_basilisk On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 9:03 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

2016-03-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
Good luck, Katherine. Many of us are relying on you and have faith in you. > > Pine > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> \o/\o/\o/\o/ >> >> So glad to see this wonderful choice! >> >> ...if we're gonna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation executive transition update

2016-03-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
\o/\o/\o/\o/ So glad to see this wonderful choice! ...if we're gonna have Katherine as the interim...do we really need to find someone permanent? ;) On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:05 PM, James Heilman wrote: > A very positive move. Thank you Katherine for agreeing to step up and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Oliver Keyes
> > David > > [1] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/13/wikimedia_coo_convicted_felon/ > > On 3/10/16, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I've been in the Wikimedia movement for over a decade now. I've seen >> Wikimedia-l. I've seen internal-l. I've had death and sexua

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-09 Thread Oliver Keyes
I've been in the Wikimedia movement for over a decade now. I've seen Wikimedia-l. I've seen internal-l. I've had death and sexual assault threats show up in my inbox. And this, /this/, is genuinely the most horrified I've ever been by any message I've seen yet. This email is not a good faith

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-08 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1. There was an easy way to split the baby here; "the board has confidence". Done. Simple. What the language actually used did, as well as (now) betray trust and confidence, was induce the sense that for all people said they were listening to staff, nobody was. On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:39 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Qualities for the next long-term WMF executive director

2016-03-07 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Employees have some righ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Qualities for the next long-term WMF executive director

2016-03-07 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 2:42 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:21 AM, Pine W wrote: > >> If the research results about qualities of effective managers have been >> generally consistent for 30 years, then I wonder why so many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open and recorded WMF Board meetings

2016-03-06 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1. I would also very much appreciate Patricio explaining whether the "full confidence of the board" actually meant the full confidence: IOW, that a vote was taken and everyone unanimously agreed that Lila's continuation was the best thing. I note that Patricio, despite being Chairman of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:23 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Regarding to Oli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:58 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Regarding to Oliver's comment: "My concern is that when staff reached out > the Board replied with a letter indicating they had full and unanimous > confidence in our > leadership." > > This statement is not really true. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > On 2/29/16 2:25 AM, Molly White wrote: >> Thank you for your reply, and I apologize for how late this one is. When >> I asked how you intend to speak with the Board of Trustees and with staff, I >> did not mean what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-29 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@wikia-inc.com> > wrote: > >> On 2/29/16 7:00 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> > A few days ago, Oliver Keyes said[1] here on this l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What it means to be a *volunteer* organization

2016-02-28 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 10:03 PM, David Emrany wrote: > Hi Brion > > When you refer to patches with other movements / affiliates, are you > proposing that WMF sponsors more Gibraltrapedias ? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltarpedia > > Have we forgotten so soon the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 1:38 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Anna Stillwell > wrote: >> +1 to what Oliver and Vibber said. >> >> The situation is still delicate, Jimmy. >> >> Staff are being extremely kind to one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-27 Thread Oliver Keyes
Anthony has hit the nail on the head here with "could be used to punish or intimidate staff"; the reason I, at least, am uncomfortable talking about the internal details here (beyond the obvious PR elements for the Foundation) is that there's a lot of ongoing fear about repercussions. A couple of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
n the employees. > > It helps internal morale and external confidence in reforms. > > > George William Herbert > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1 to Keegan. I am glad you have spoken to staffers, Pete. I promise I can identify at least 300 other people that fall into that category too. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:04 PM, Pete Forsyth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Pine W wrote: > I admit to being surprised by the depth of the division between the ED and > staff that we are hearing about. Thanks to the Signpost and internal leaks > we in the community knew about the low marks in the staff survey, but I >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > > I can't speak for Lila, nor should I try. But I know that for people > new to our world, it's really quite confusing. You hear a lot of voices > and if you've been around for long enough, you get to know which ones >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What should happen next? My 5 ideas

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
+1. It's difficult without breaking fifteen NDAs to underscore exactly how shellshocked and traumatised staff are right now, dealing with all of this for 8 hours a day for 3-18 months, depending on the nature of their concerns. As the people most impacted by negative or positive changes to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lawrence Lessig for ... WMF

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
I'm agreed with Dan and Nathan (well, Nathan's implied point) both. Right now we need stability. I'd much prefer an interim ED appointed from inside the organisation or movement, ideally someone who has been watching what's been going on. And then time for healing and reflection in that space of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I am going to San Francisco

2016-02-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 5:39 AM, GorillaWarfare wrote: > I would be curious to hear precisely what you hope to accomplish from your > trip to San Francisco. How do you plan to communicate what you learn to the > rest of the Board of Trustees, and to those who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

2016-02-24 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > Oliver, thanks! > >> In other words, the litmus test for me is: what happens when the socially > and politically weakest person in the organisation has an idea? > > If we speak of a "product" idea, we have two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

2016-02-24 Thread Oliver Keyes
I would like to clarify a fairly major premise of this conversation: namely, the comment I made that Yuri quoted in the very first message. When I say that the hierarchical organisation of the Foundation is something that is preventing us from doing better, I was not thinking of how we develop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

2016-02-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
e: > >> On 23 February 2016 at 15:35, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com >> <javascript:;>> wrote: >> >> > I am leaving the Wikimedia Foundation to take up a job as a Senior >> > Data Scientist at an information security company. My last da

Re: [Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

2016-02-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
eep many of us sane > with your wit through times strange and wonderful and awful alike. > > Take care of yourself and do good things! > > -- brion > On Feb 23, 2016 3:36 PM, "Oliver Keyes" <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >>

[Wikimedia-l] One Last Ride

2016-02-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
in building a fairer, more transparent and more representative governing structure. All the best, Oliver Keyes Of these last 5 years, Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:13 AM, Anthony Cole <ahcole...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > I thought I was bringing a sorely under-represented perspective to the ED >> > discussion on this list and wasn't aware I'd said or done anything >> > inappropria

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-23 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:54 AM, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am totally with Benjamin on this. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016, Oliver Keyes <ironho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "sorely under-represented perspective" or not, that kind of attitude

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Shared list

2016-02-22 Thread Oliver Keyes
If I might provide at least my, minor, perspective: there is a big difference between "perspective" and "dissent" and some of your communiques. People, particularly at the Foundation, are hurting a lot right now. And the tone of your messages has been a lot of: justifying actual people being in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-21 Thread Oliver Keyes
I'm with Vibber too. I work in Engineering. This summary does not represent my views, or the views of anyone I know. On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Anna Stillwell wrote: > I'm with Vibber. He has seen things clearly. > > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-20 Thread Oliver Keyes
Just staff and former staff? Huh. You must be reading wikimedia-that-doesn't-include-liam-fae-former-board-members-or-almost-anyone-else-l. What's it like there? To Risker's point; "don't beat up on people who have less information than you" is a good principle. But so is "don't call people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] US Copyright Law Forces Wikimedia to remove Public Domain Anne Frank Diary

2016-02-16 Thread Oliver Keyes
If she'd lived, her book _wouldn't be so important to the entirety of humankind_. You have a feeling about what she'd do about it? You're putting words in a Holocaust victim's mouth. For shame. On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Tomasz Ganicz wrote: > Well.. I don't think if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A transition and a new chapter.

2015-04-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
I believe (correct me if I'm wrong, somebody) that it'd be Philippe (a Director) On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Erik, thank you for everything you have contributed to Wikimedia over the years. It has made an immeasurable impact, and whatever future

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access to Private Information Policy: How Long Will This Be Left a Question Mark?

2015-04-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
Have you considered that you might get a better response to your messages if you - and this is just an idea drawn of idle whimsy, here - not spend quite so much of them on an extended trip off the reservation in order to attack and critique someone under their real name in public while hiding any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-08 Thread Oliver Keyes
(volunteer hat on) Glasgow to London in no way represents the scale of what any move, even an in-US move, would be, unless the goal is for the WMF to end up in LA or (maybe) Portland. I would agree that a multi-location setup would work better as a good expansion route here, although I'm not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Regarding knowledge

2015-04-05 Thread Oliver Keyes
Has there been work to determine the accuracy of our medical coverage that's found it lacking? All the studies I've seen have said it's pretty good, but that was a while ago, and I know anecdotally that we've got a lot of work to do around, for example, womens' health issues. On Sat, Apr 4, 2015

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
A +1 to both Richard and Pete; Making editathons harder to put on is NOT a valuable use of anyone's time. On Wednesday, 18 March 2015, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I worry that running an auction and a raffle for each - or even some - editathons would be a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
On the low or zero-cost element, the one bit I'd question is 'editathons work well when attendees can buy their own food or attend a social where they pay their own costs'. This is certainly convenient for the chapter/volunteers/delete as applicable, but I don't think we should have it as an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
then you've, at best, completely missed the point I was trying to make. On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 14:33, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: ... expectations. So, yes, editathons work well when attendees pay their own way - but they work /best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 1:16 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: when ticketed, this is usually to control numbers when space is limited. This model works pretty well and makes them popular events; indeed, they're one of our most visible public activities. I don't see where the benefit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New financing model for editations

2015-03-19 Thread Oliver Keyes
:02 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 March 2015 at 14:55, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: We have a vested interest, as a community, in having as diverse a group of people behind our content as possible, because we have a diverse group of readers. People who can't afford a lunch out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
(Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually contained. What she said was I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In other words, to make evaluations about the probability of success, the necessity of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
the positions of its elected officials. A mice toward more openness about board discussions might ease some of my concerns. Thanks, Pine On Mar 13, 2015 12:32 PM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: (Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UTC in politics, editors threaten, or how rev history made the news

2015-03-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
This idea, I like it! And I think Yuri just volunteered to write the patches :P On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 2 March 2015 at 13:49, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: But if we're going to implement something, why not just..have timezone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UTC in politics, editors threaten, or how rev history made the news

2015-03-02 Thread Oliver Keyes
Well, not all users have JavaScript. But, on the core of the proposal: What threats? What users? How many, how serious? Have they been reported to Legal and Community Advocacy? These are the questions we tend to ask about this sort of issue. Do we need to insert technical features to prevent it?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RfC: Works which can't be freely licensed

2015-02-22 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Sunday, 22 February 2015, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As some of you know, we are working on the project [1] with Matica srpska [2]. Basically, that opens numerous possibilities and here is one of them. My professor, a Board member of Matica srpska and one of two co-authors of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Engineering Community

2015-02-15 Thread Oliver Keyes
Personal opinion: as I recall, a big chunk of that scorn came from WMF engineers. I appreciate it wasn't your intent, but the way you're phrasing things here makes it look very much like you're saying 'hey, I bumped your salary, throw some of your time my way' - which is not how it works. Ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2016

2015-01-21 Thread Oliver Keyes
If only the first and only link in the thread you're following up on contained pointers to dedicated journey and accomodation pages! That would've made these questions so much easier to answer. Indeed, it would've made asking them quite clearly rhetorical and intended to passive-aggressively poke,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing WikiProject X

2015-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
Well, yes. Was your clue the bit where it said English-language wikipedia? Wikiproject-based things are incredibly difficult to generalize because they're so dependent on project-specific nuances and setups. Wikidata will change that, I hope, but it's not there yet. On Tuesday, 13 January 2015,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: Where is anyone whining about this? Nobody here is. The point being made is about why other grants are not being accepted. So, to summarise: Please, let's stop complaining on the basis that this excludes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Tilman Bayer joins Product Strategy Department

2015-01-08 Thread Oliver Keyes
Indeed, although as I understand it he's going to be independent of the actual Research Data team. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Erik Moeller, 07/01/2015 20:36: It’s my pleasure to announce that Tilman Bayer is joining the Foundation’s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

2014-03-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
absolutely cannot do. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Oliver Keyes Product

Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

2014-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:30 PM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.comwrote: pheobe, concerning your motion to vote saying: wikimedia foundation grows, the affiliated organisations do not grow the affiliated organisations are recommended to seek other funding (which the foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board decisions on movement funding and approval issues

2014-02-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
I think there needs to a basic rule of if you can get Max and I to disagree with you for the same reasons, you're probably in the wrong ;p On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:20 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: rupert THURNER wrote: i am disappointed personally by you. you as a person, you as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community consultation + Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director selection process

2014-01-31 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 31 January 2014 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Craig Franklin wrote: ... it would be grossly unprofessional for Erik, Jan-Bart, or anyone else to publicly discuss the relative merits of people who may or may not be involved in a confidential hiring process No, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] European Commission Copyright Consultation

2014-01-26 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] effect of edit filter on editing levels, (was thanking anons)

2014-01-15 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 13 January 2014 20:32, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Jan 13, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: we're getting almost 3,000 thanks actions a day, every day It would be interesting to know if that impacted the number of barnstars

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 13 January 2014 20:32, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jan 13, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
There is inherent humour in being unable to test the comparative efficacy of a technological whizbang due to the lack of sufficiently standardised technological whizbangs ;p. On 14 January 2014 11:32, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 01/14/2014 02:18 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
So you'd rather measure effectiveness through...the feeling in your water? On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver Keyes, 14/01/2014 20:36: There is inherent humour in being unable to test the comparative efficacy of a technological whizbang due

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
Aha. I totally agree with that, then, but I don't think it's the motivation for this feature. On 14 January 2014 13:28, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 January 2014 21:20, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 14 January 2014 12:29, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
worthy of a thumbs up, and Thanks is designed for the latter. When we have some spare cycles, if we want to reduce the barrier to more long-form thank-yous, that's probably a good thing to do as well. Just, please, nobody send me any love sonnets. -- Oliver Keyes Product Analyst Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thanking anonymous users

2014-01-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-05 Thread Oliver Keyes
Or to translate who cares what harm I do by peddling these assertions without verifying them! I just want people to come along and admit I was Right, because being Right on the internet is the most important of all the things. Your comment here makes clear that your only interest in the situation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF employee writing articles for $300

2014-01-05 Thread Oliver Keyes
As an apparent Wikimedia insider; I think that if the allegations are substantiated they need to be addressed. I don't mean to run interference on that. I mean to try and undercut any attempt to turn a subject worth discussing substantively into an excuse to crow. My objection is not that you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdoored

2013-12-30 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images

2013-09-18 Thread Oliver Keyes
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 9:48 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: For those of you who treat WP:IAR as if it is not policy, how do you look yourselves in the mirror? Pretty easily. Absent substantial changes in mass, the speed of light is a constant. If we could try to discuss things

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Has the underlying level of edits risen or fallen since the Edit Filters came in in 2009?

2013-08-28 Thread Oliver Keyes
I can't speak for edit volume, but in my spare time I did some research around blocks and found that the proportionate decline in bad-faith related blocks since 2009 is (quite possibly) edit-filter linked.[1] So, whether there's a causal link between the edit decrease and the edit filters or not,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] git.wikimedia.org dead due to wikimania ; )

2013-08-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation)

2013-07-22 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-16 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-16 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-15 Thread Oliver Keyes
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Oliver Keyes
On 14 July 2013 00:44, Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com wrote: Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting something worse per the opening of this discussion. It seems to be fine for me (in a manly way of saying a photo of another man is fine), expect for the removal of Brandon's fingers.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Oliver Keyes
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