Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
No, not related in the least. He's probably talking about a recent situation discussed at this ML where a WMF employee at T emergency role directed someone complaining of harassment to the AN/I because they thought it was the appropriate venue. Amir Sarabadani escreveu no dia terça, 25/08/2020

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
And there never was any insult or anything close to that, just a misunderstanding, which I believe was clarified. A terça, 23 de jun de 2020, 08:56, revi escreveu: > Hi, > > > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성: > > > > Nat insulted an ESEAP > > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
(Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra seems to think, but by the affiliates.) Jan-Bart de Vreede escreveu no dia segunda, 22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26: > Hi Gnangarra > > I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least > because of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Nat, Thank you very much for managing to put out a statement in a reasonable timeframe, despite the harsh conditions most of all endure now. I can only imagine how hard it has been to get to that. Above all, thank you a lot for the sincerity and for the courage on taking a blame that I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee/Candidates/June 2020

2020-05-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Rosie, Why after all this time, and after all the convulsions that have happened, AffCom candidates are still being selected by AffCom itself, instead of by the community, or other more legitimate process? You wrote: " As a reflection of our commitment to openness, transparency, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-05-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Why do you ask? Unregistered readers are some kind of inferior creatures not worth of any attention? Registering an account and logging in is optional in Wikimedia. Paulo Robert Fernandez escreveu no dia segunda, 4/05/2020 à(s) 16:27: > I know this might sound crazy, but have you considered

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-05-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
In the first days of the pandemic, while trying to read info on my cellphone, where I'm usually logged out, I was bombed first with that ugly black thing signed by Katherine Maher, then in the next page I navigated to, with a red message directed at "my friend from Portugal", both of them asking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message to readers from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding COVID-19

2020-03-19 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Please don't use the "coronavirus pandemic" misnomer, at least in the version in Portuguese. "Coronavirus" is a group of virus, not the disease. It's proper name is COVID-19. Using that misnomer is akin as calling "retrovirus epidemic" to AIDS, and fertile ground for all kinds of fake news, such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ngo, 15/03/2020 à(s) 22:01: > On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 21:07, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > >> Covid is an abreviaton for coronavirus disease. > > > No, it's an abbreviation for *Coronavirus Disease 2019* [1] > > That would make "COVID-19" mean

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I photographed the COVID-19 isolation room at our local university (it's precisely in front of the cabinet I usually work in), and created the category for COVID-19 isolations: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:COVID-19_isolations Best, Paulo Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no dia domingo,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
virus disease. > > J > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 14:56 Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > Congratulations for the new project. > > > > Possibly you could start by moving the "coronavirus" pandemic articles at > > wiki.en to the proper name of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Congratulations for the new project. Possibly you could start by moving the "coronavirus" pandemic articles at wiki.en to the proper name of the disease, COVID-19. No idea why the English Wikipedia insists naming this disease with the name of a group of virus that causes a number of other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-29 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Some established users have the habit of reverting every edit by IPs and newbies in the articles they watch - often with the special reversion tool - no mater the content and value of the edition. That is a very consistent behavior I've been observing over more than one decade at the Wikipedia in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The OP is misleading. The issue is not with Commons at all, but with OTRS. As far as I know, Commons never, ever, deleted a file which was in use in any Wikimedia project, with the notable expectation of copyvios. Otherwise, use in *any* wikimedia project = on scope for Commons. Apparently some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
on that. But the onwiki situation is pretty much awful. Best, Paulo Raymond Leonard escreveu no dia terça, 25/02/2020 à(s) 19:40: > I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes > about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exception

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders. No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of humane beings, not something technical. But the result is a very low rate of retention,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I'm not that familiar with the photosubmissions OTRS queue, and I've no idea if we have that rule internally on OTRS. But it surely seems a weird rule. Anything that is on scope to Commons - which is the case for anything used in Wikdiata too - should be accepted in photosubmission, period. That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello Quim, I knew this was a possibility, but it still is a big surprise for me that the WMF has not recognized the enormous value and potential of Wikimedia Space, which was a space incredibly more friendlier and easier to use than anything I've ever seen onwiki. As we discussed last November

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Candidates for new mandate

2020-01-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
publicity the page gets in the month of December. > > > > Next year I will try to put it on the news section of the meta home page > > sooner. > > Alessandro > > > > > > > > Il giovedì 23 gennaio 2020, 01:14:00 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta < >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Candidates for new mandate

2020-01-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
are so many candidates considering the limited > publicity the page gets in the month of December. > > Next year I will try to put it on the news section of the meta home page > sooner. > Alessandro > > > > Il giovedì 23 gennaio 2020, 01:14:00 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta &l

[Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Candidates for new mandate

2020-01-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Not sure this made it to the Wikimedia-L - I couldn't find it easily, at least. But the candidates for the new mandate in AffCom are under discussion now (and have been for some time already. Interested ppl, please follow the link and comment/endorse/ask questions to them there:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Chief of Community Engagement to leave the Foundation

2019-11-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What websites are you talking about, Gerard? I couldn't get that part. Africa is way more engaged and active that the impression that often passes to the rest of the movement, and I believe that the WMF staff that went to Wiki Indaba has noticed that (it was impossible not to notice it, IMO). I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Mali User Group

2019-11-08 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Congratulations to all Malian Wikimedians, it's really great to have one more affiliate from Africa! :D Paulo Isaac Olatunde escreveu no dia sexta, 8/11/2019 à(s) 18:22: > Congratulations to Wikimedians of Mali. We look toward to collaborating > with you. > > Regards > > Isaac > > On Fri, Nov

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-07 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
a link? > Kind regards > Ziko > > Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com>: > > > Hi Farhad, > > > > Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight. > > The advantages at an organizati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-05 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Farhad, Very interesting, thank you very much for sharing your insight. The advantages at an organizational level are quite obvious, indeed, and it's a smart way to deal with those membership limitations. I'm glad that the WMF & Wikimedia is abandoning the very rigid chapter model as the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
a multiplication of affiliates which are basically cells or clones of one of them. If this is safeguarded, cell-style affiliates probably can become a nice feature. Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia sábado, 5/10/2019 à(s) 00:45: > Hey, > > "*1) if a group has more active cores, may

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
m > curious what tipped the scale). > > Lodewijk > > > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:01 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > This is a very interesting strategy for any well developed affiliate. It > > allows : > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ome in from > South > > of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg). > > > > Lodewijk > > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > paulospern...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Wikimedia NYC is a ver

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
basically a cell. Paulo Yuri Astrakhan escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s) 23:06: > What about Wikimedia NYC? (I'm not sure of its organizational status) > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Wal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't believe it compares with a city UG. Paulo Andy Mabbett escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s) 22:53: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > Why isn't it a department of W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ants/List > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:46 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's >> basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia? >> >> It's a curious precedent. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia? It's a curious precedent. Paulo Asaf Bartov escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s) 20:41: > Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city. And one of its listed > contacts is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF work environment

2019-10-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
A surprising amount of staff turnover, and the relation between WMF and the communities extremely eroded by a row of bad moves and general bad attitude. I was told I'm too new to this, and it was worst during superprotect, but it's still mind-boggling why what was supposed to be a symbiotic and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
> > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 18:08, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > " A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta > > just before the sprint for > > the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed > t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-01 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta just before the sprint for the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed to do with this, since those recommendations most probably became outdated in the course of the Tunis meetings in the days

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I've no idea what you mean by " second iteration". I was told by Work Group members that those are the recommendations that were used as starting points for the discussions by the Work Groups at Tunis last weekend. Therefore, all that is most probably outdated stuff by now (it was already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors

2019-09-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Gregory, Are you planing to include Portuguese in the list of target languages? Best, Paulo Gregory Varnum escreveu no dia segunda, 23/09/2019 à(s) 18:32: > I am not entirely sure how this connects to the topic of the thread. > > However, I feel I should note that we are indeed interested

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, I totally support Illario words: "if the option is to pay 500 long travels for scholarships by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels for the staff of WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer will be in favor of the second option which is more sustainable and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Partial blocks update

2019-09-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, How and where can one request enabling this at the Portuguese Wikipedia? Paulo James Forrester escreveu no dia sexta, 20/09/2019 à(s) 02:01: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 17:16, Steven Walling > wrote: > > > How do we see which wikis have partial blocks deployed already / are > > planning to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Diane, If there will be a new discussion (and rightly so), what happens to the "harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September" mentioned by Nicole in her messages? I don't believe there will be much to harmonize between the new discussion with the community takes place. Best, Paulo Diane

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I only started following WMF stuff more closely around 2 years ago, but I don't remember it being this permanent state of crisis as it is now, with an ever increasing - now, apparently at an accelerating pace too - detachment from the onwiki communities. This is tiresome and distracting for those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
After the last disastrous WMF intervention in Wikipedia - Framgate - I believe the timing is just perfect for the WMF to go forward with this fit of creativity of branding themselves as the "Wikipedia Foundation". It's one after another, and never stops. Best, Paulo Yaroslav Blanter escreveu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall > that > > > >> just > > > >>>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board, > > > >>> expressed > > > >>>> the opinion > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
t; > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)=prev=9585319 > > >>>> over > > >>>> a much less dramatic change. > > >>>> > > >>>>> All of this is going to require change, chang

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
understand that if you decide to take > a > >> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have > to > >> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step > >> when > >> needed. I can only hope that your break is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step when > needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will > return when the time is right. > > I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today. > > Jeff > > On Fri, Aug 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs 8and their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around December. Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only be dealing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Glad to have someone from CC onboard, welcome Ryan! Paulo Katherine Maher escreveu no dia terça, 13/08/2019 à(s) 23:02: > Hi everyone, > > I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of > Creative Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of > staff. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Aug 14, 2019 at 6:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > If they don't have legal resources, then it is pointless to use NC ND for > > the content, as they will not be suing anyone that ignores the license > and > > commercializes it anyway. > > In practice,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
rocess > first, with uncertain outcome. > > (I must admit that I haven’t yet read the articles linked in the draft, > so this email is phrased rather vaguely. I hope it still makes sense.) > > Cheers, > Lucas > > On 14.08.19 23:51, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > > Al

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
All this stuff about misappropriation and unwanted commercial use of certain content which is being used to justify the inclusion of NC/ND CC licenses in Commons and other Wikimedia projects, really isn't Wikimedia concern. If some communities object to certain types of use on content produced by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually dismissed" - Don't worry, it is not "their ideas. As Nicole Ebber explained, those recommendations resulted from a lot of different inputs, and none of them is supposed to be the brainchild of anyone inside the WGs. If they are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south)" - Distributing work now being paid with US wages to US staff at SF to people at the Global South paying "Global South wages" sounds a lot like moving the factories from San

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Introducing our newest thematic organisation, Wikimedia Medicine

2019-08-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Those are really great news to the "health" of our movement, congratulations and thanks to all those who helped making this a reality! :D Paulo Shani Evenstein escreveu no dia quarta, 31/07/2019 à(s) 18:05: > Thank you, Kirill, and all who have been involved in making this a > reality! > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikipedians of Goa User Group

2019-07-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Splendid news, congratulations Wikipedians of Goa!! :D Frederick: It was really great and a privilege meeting you at CC Global Summit. We at WMPT are very much looking forward to partner with you in Wikimedia projects, specially those related to lusophony! Best, Paulo Kirill Lokshin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An updated design for the Wikimedia Foundation website

2019-07-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Greg, Looks way nicer than the previous version. The thing always moving may be a little bit annoying after some time, maybe it could have a stop button, and it would be nice if we could slide it on our will. But the drawing is very cool. +1 to change the bright canary yellow box to a more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, Reading about these developments in India has been absolutely painful, and a sad reminiscent of a number of past situations. Most of all, the case with Wikimedia Portugal, when AffCom started imposing restrictions and "mediation plans" without having any kind of official hearing with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What exactly has the English Wikipedia accepted? As far as I know we don't known on what the WMF thinks they failed. It is just speculation and personal opinions. Paulo A quinta, 4 de jul de 2019, 10:11, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> escreveu: > Hoi, > I am astounded that you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The files were mainly kept because most of them were considered to be utilitarian objects, but IMO the rationale was correct, as all of them are modern props from the Lord of the Rings movie series. Personally, I think it could be interpreted or construed as some kind of petty revenge from Fram

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Not really demonizing WMF, but healthily not trusting at face value what they say, specially given WMF quite messy record at that. The WMF interference in that Wikipedia community was completely out of process, and to the moment lacking any justification worth of that name. IMO it is OK for that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
seems to be in a not wiki way and strictly controlled (by the WMF, apparently). Paulo A quarta, 26 de jun de 2019, 11:32, Lucas Werkmeister < m...@lucaswerkmeister.de> escreveu: > Why do you consider Wikimedia Space a closed platform? > > Cheers, > Lucas > > On 26.06.19 11:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I also generally discuss what I can offwiki (using a number of channels, but mainly Telegram) , and leave to onwiki discussions what is strictly necessary, but it has much more to do with the slowness and lack of usability of the wiki talk system, than with a toxic environment. That being said,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
There seems to be a trend on the part of the WMF, however, both to try to control onwiki Wikimedia communities (wiki.en current case), and at the same time divert part of the communities to closed platforms under direct or indirect WMF control. I'm also not sure anymore that Wikimedia volunteers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
open > another thread. > > Thank you, > Camelia > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno ven 21 giu 2019 alle ore 16:05 Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> False accusation with the respective punishment, that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
False accusation with the respective punishment, that is. If it was just a false accusation I would not care that much about it, though I obviously dislike being falsely accused. Paulo A sexta, 21 de jun de 2019, 15:01, Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> escreveu: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
trained and responsible professionals over > the popularity contests of the mob any day. > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:56 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to > > verify it, and iss

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to verify it, and issuing punishments one can't appeal based on that, creates a feeling of fear and insecurity in the events; and provides a tool easy to abuse by clever persons who understood how to game the system, as a vehicle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I am very sad and depressed with this outcome, especially with someone as Romaine, which I am quite lucky to know personally. And it is very true that now one has to have eyes in their back and be extra careful when going to WMF run events, as the risk of abuse of T is quite real. Dangerous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
end of story, if not for the T interference. Paulo Dariusz Jemielniak escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 16:04: > Hi Paulo, > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > " I'm referring to message from Caroline" - How have you jumpe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
er words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a > rumour about them? > > My understanding is that noone was banned from an event. > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com<mailto:paulospern...@gmail.com>> wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
if people are killed or physically hurt? Paulo Amir Sarabadani escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 15:36: > Are you comparing banning someone to participate at conference(s) with > hanging innocent people? > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > pa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" In other words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a rumour about them" - that's Wikimedia version of the Salem witch trials. Unbelievable that this sort of thing is coming from one of the WMF trustees, even as a personal opinion. Paulo Michel Vuijlsteke escreveu no dia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Dariusz, I've read and reread the WMBE message, and have not found anything near "pushing people who felt harassed or mistreated to step forward". I also do not understand why you're addressing WMBE as "Romaine" (begging the question?). Can you please clarify? Paulo Dariusz Jemielniak

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is that "strategic direction", and where was it agreed? Paulo Peter Southwood escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 08:20: > " Previously a strategic direction has been agreed." > Not by that many. It is so vague that it can be interpreted to mean > whatever the WMF want it to mean and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

2019-06-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
How is banning an user for 1 year for secrete reasons a "bold step"? What's the educative value of it? How does it advance any of those strategic objectives you mention there? Paulo Ad Huikeshoven escreveu no dia domingo, 16/06/2019 à(s) 22:03: > We are in a turbulent episode on this mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ng banned from a website > over bad conduct issues. You need not reply -- I'm done with this portion > of the conversation. > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have never said that this is a human rights violation, s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
penal offenses." Unless > Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the absurd > hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation. > > > Dan Rosenthal > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
People shouldn't be going with any random option, but rather presume the innocence of others unless guilt is proven by some legit process. It seems that this very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity is being forgotten. There is not the least appearance of due process happening there, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Both systems are horrible. Secret trials punishing people who don't even know they are being accused, and of what they are being accused, without any chance to appeal afterwards, are nothing short of horrible and inhumane. That, yes, is plain harassment against the victims of those secret trials.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
At this point, it certainly looks like that. That, and the "f*** Arbcom" thing. If you know otherwise, please explain. Paulo David Gerard escreveu no dia sexta, 14/06/2019 à(s) 11:37: > and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for > doing only what you describe? > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
r a system that we design or agree to implement. > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > P.S. I need to stop posting in this thread so that I do not exceed my limit > of Wikimedia-l posts for the month, but my silence does not indicate lack > of interest. > > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
No idea what could be the relation with GamerGate and the current issue onwiki at wiki en. Would you care to elaborate? Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 19:53, David Gerard escreveu: > I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been > called out on being pathological,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The inapposite and totally inapt intervention of the WMF, a la bull in a china shop, caused a Streisand effect on the alleged harassment that is stated to have take place. I do not knew the editor which has been pointed as the source of the denounce, or if she has made any denounce at all, but I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
lly are Gamergaters, > including editors with tools. > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:15 AM Chris Keating > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Going there dismissing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
and inflammatory comments does not seem like the wisest thing to do. Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 08:15, Chris Keating < chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Going there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Going there dismissing the whole issue as a sexist mob doing GamerGate kind of stuff, what was she expecting, really. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 22:39, Chris Keating < chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > > > So, pretty much every discussion is decided by those who choose to > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
like all the aggressiveness I am seeing at wiki.en,but I can understand the revolt. I do hope things improve. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 18:47, Robert Fernandez escreveu: > The board, including its community representatives. > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
aroslav > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 5:46 PM Amir Sarabadani < > ladsgr...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > People who oppose the ban: Are you aware of all aspects and > things Fram >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
the case there. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 14:51, Robert Fernandez escreveu: > Because the English Wikipedia community is a garbage fire, and is > hellbent on demonstrating that this week. > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 9:16 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ither can support or oppose the ban. As > > > simple as that. > > > > > > So what should be done IMO. If enwiki wants to know more, a community > > body > > > can ask for more information, if body satisfy two things: > > > - They had signed NDA not to disclo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
of this particular ban but I believe WMF > took the best decision in banning Fram considering the Foundation has acted > approximately in dealing with similar issues in the past. > > Regards, > > Isaac > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 2:58 PM Paulo Santos Perneta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new. I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based on a false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm waiting for an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't surprise me at all. It is very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-08 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey, The affiliate was originally formed in 2008 as the wannabe chapter Wikimedia Brasil, and made its life as a chapter until 2010 when it was noticed that it was not incorporated nor had any intention of becoming incorporated, and the whole thing was canceled. Some of its members and new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ng to ensure there isn't a repeat > of past breakdowns in community cooperation? > > Kind regards > > Seddon > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I would like to correc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
iki/Muj(lh)eres_latinoamericanas_en_Wikimedia Best, Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quinta, 30/05/2019 à(s) 15:40: > Wonderful news! > Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational > projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kedu ihe na-eme gị obi ụtọ n'izu a? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 May 2019)

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is making me happy this week: - Helping the NOVA SBE library organizing this great event scheduled for next week: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikidataDays_2019_Lisbon - UG Wiki Movimento Brasil being recognized as a Wikimedia affiliate:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wonderful news! Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line with the educational projects, and generally with full Wikidata integration. It is very rewarding to see the group recognized again as a full-right

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikidata Days 2019 - Portugal

2019-05-29 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
the Wikimedia Foundation and the Wiki Movimento Brasil. Atenciosamente, Paulo Santos Perneta Wikimedia Portugal ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia commu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such

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