Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resolution about the upcoming Board elections

2021-04-25 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Luis,

this has been brought up on the talk page of the proposed bylaw changes,
including a statement by Jimmy:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/October_2020_-_Proposed_Bylaws_changes#Founder_seat

Would be interesting to know if the status has changed from "being open for
discussion" in the last 7 months ;-)

Cheers,
Philip

On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 at 00:24, Luis Villa  wrote:

> This looks like a very thoughtful start on a very thorny problem, well
> done.
>
> Given that we’re trying to diversify the board, and that Jimmy has
> recently criticized FSF for having lifetime board appointments for
> founders,* I was surprised not to see any mention in this document of
> sunsetting Jimmy’s founder seat. Making him a peer of the rest of the
> board, subject to the same terms, selection process, and requalification
> standards, rather than a first-among-equals, would potentially free up an
> additional seat to improve global board diversity and definitely be
> consistent with general best practices for non-profit governance.
>
> Has the board discussed that?
>
> Thanks-
> Luis
>
> P.S. the links on the last page of
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/83/BGC_Community_Trustee_Selection_Proposal_April_2021.pdf
> are broken.
>
> * well, he criticized them for _secretive_ board appointments, but from a
> governance perspective a lifetime founder seat is problematic regardless of
> whether it is secret/defacto (FSF) or public/de jure (WMF).
>
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 1:45 PM Jackie Koerner 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees met last week to decide on a
>> plan for the 2021 Board elections. The Board Governance Committee created
>> this proposal, based on the Call for Feedback about Community Board
>> Seats.[1] Please check the related announcement for details.[2]
>>
>> The Board wants to thank the more than 800 volunteers that participated
>> in the Call for Feedback in one way or another.[3] There were almost a
>> hundred conversations in multiple languages and in multiple regions. There
>> was additional discussion on Meta, Telegram, and other channels used by
>> local communities. Three new ideas were presented by volunteers during the
>> Call. It has been very difficult to decide on every open question
>> considering the quantity and diversity of opinions received. We hope this
>> resolution feels sensible to everybody.
>>
>> In the upcoming days, the Board elections facilitation team will share
>> their ideas to support candidates and voters. Let's work together on
>> elections with high and very diverse participation!
>>
>> [1] Call for Feedback Community Board Seats
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees/Call_for_feedback:_Community_Board_seats/Main_report
>>
>> [2] Announcement of Board Governance Committee proposal
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/2021-04-15_Resolution_about_the_upcoming_Board_elections
>>
>> [3] Call for Feedback Community Board seats metrics
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees/Call_for_feedback:_Community_Board_seats/Main_report#Metrics
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Jackie Koerner*
>>
>> *she/her*
>> Board Governance Facilitator
>> *English language and Meta-Wiki*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Ratification of Universal Code of Conduct

2021-02-22 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Congrats to everyone (and I'm talking about 50+ people here) who helped to
make this possible!

On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 15:00, Dan Garry (Deskana)  wrote:

> It's so great to see the Universal Code of Conduct come to fruition. As a
> movement we were severly lagging behind others in adopting a code of
> conduct, and I'm glad to see we've reached parity. This is a step in the
> right direction.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 11:59, María Sefidari  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I’m pleased to announce that the Board of Trustees has unanimously
>> approved a Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia projects and
>> movement.[1]  A Universal Code of Conduct was one of the final
>> recommendations of the Movement Strategy 2030 process - a multi-year,
>> participatory community effort to define the future of our movement. The
>> final Universal Code of Conduct seeks to address disparities in conduct
>> policies across our hundreds of projects and communities, by creating a
>> binding minimum set of standards for conduct on the Wikimedia projects that
>> directly address many of the challenges that contributors face.
>>
>> The Board is deeply grateful to the communities who have grappled with
>> these challenging topics. Over the past six months, communities around the
>> world have participated in conversations and consultations to help build
>> this code collectively, including local discussions in 19 languages,
>> surveys, discussions on Meta, and policy drafting by a committee of
>> volunteers and staff. The document presented to us reflects a significant
>> investment of time and effort by many of you, and especially by the joint
>> staff/volunteer committee who created the base draft after reviewing input
>> collected from community outreach efforts. We also appreciate the
>> dedication of the Foundation, and its Trust & Safety policy team, in
>> getting us to this phase.
>>
>> This was the first phase of our Universal Code of Conduct - from here,
>> the Trust & Safety team will begin consultations on how best to enforce
>> this code. In the coming weeks, they will follow-up with more instructions
>> on how you can participate in discussions around enforcing the new code.
>> Over the next few months, they will be facilitating consultation
>> discussions in many local languages, with our affiliates, and on Meta to
>> support a new volunteer/staff committee in drafting enforcement pathways.
>> For more information on the process, timeline, and how to participate in
>> this next phase, please review the Universal Code of Conduct page on
>> Meta.[2]
>>
>> The Universal Code of Conduct represents an essential step towards our
>> vision of a world in which all people can participate in the sum of all
>> knowledge. Together, we have built something extraordinary. Today, we
>> celebrate this milestone in making our movement a safer space for
>> contribution for all.
>>
>> On behalf of the Board of Trustees,
>>
>> María Sefidari
>> Board Chair
>>
>> [1]
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
>>
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates from Wikimedia Foundation Board

2020-10-02 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi,

it is a bit puzzling to see an expansion of the WMF Board of Trustess at a
time where the start of implementing a global council is not far off. Right
now I can't see how these two directions will merge into one, especially
since the 2030 strategy does not make an appearance in this statement at
all.

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 22:06, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> Dear Nataliia  --
>
> Any update on the first two points?
>
> Does the BGC
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_Governance_Committee
> >
> recommend a Bylaws update or an election this calendar year?
> Posting minutes  for the
> last 3 meetings would be, as ever, welcome.
>
> Warmly, Sam
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-26 Thread Philip Kopetzky
What Martin mentions should be covered in the recommendations for the 2030
strategy, the measures mentioned here being "fast-tracked" to provide a
starting point for improving Community Health.
Conflict resolution needs to happen on the lowest possible level so that we
don't run into situations we've encountered in the past. Of course it's
difficult for one aspect to work without the other, so the overall goal
won't be achieved until every part is in place.

On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 17:46, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> > A former steward fellow and I
> > discussed this topic at the Safety Space at Wikimania. Due to the nature
> of
> > the space, the discussion have not been documented but you can find the
> > presentation with backgrounds of the situation and open questions on
> > Commons
> > <
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_%E2%80%93_Do_we_need_a_global_dispute_resolution_committee%3F.pdf
> > >.
> > Maybe it can give some ideas how to proceed with this.
> >
>
> Yes -- I was just thinking of your discussions of this while reading the
> thread. I hope these steward reflections are considered as people move
> forward.
>
> The case of disputes that embroil an entire community and their admins
> should (also) specifically be addressed.
> S
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Pine,

I don't think a global commitee would be the right place - stewards are
currently filling this gap involuntarily, and it seems extremely difficult
to judge situations on a local project properly (the Azerbaijani case might
come to mind here).

For me the ideal version of a universal CoC would limit itself to a very
basic foundation, which would then be adapted and developed on a regional
and local level to better fit the needs of the various communities, as you
mention above, including local laws that may prohibit certain behaviour (as
is the case in Germany and Austria with any glorification of
nationalsocialism for example).
The global council would also arbitrate in certain conflicts that happen
between regions or projects, but this is more of a theoretical experiment
right now I think.

Best,
Philip




On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 at 04:37, Pine W  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have published a draft proposal at the bottom of
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct. Discussion
> is welcome.
>
> A difficult issue is how to support diversity of expressions and
> opinions, even when those expressions or opinions may offend others,
> while also supporting civility. At this point, I think that civility
> policies are best left to local communities. However, I welcome
> others' opinions, including alternate proposals.
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

2020-02-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Chuck,

since this is hopefully a less busy season of the year, have the internal
discussions yielded anything that might help in breaking these numbers down
a little bit more? :-)

Best,
Philip

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 03:59, Chuck Roslof  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts about how this information could be useful
> for local affiliates and communities. We'll discuss internally to see if we
> might be able to share more information in the future in order to achieve
> those benefits in ways that don't raise legal concerns or create excessive
> overhead for our fundraising team. We're entering into the busiest time of
> the year for online fundraising, though, so it'll be at least a few months
> before we are able to address the question internally.
>
>  - Chuck
>
> ==
> Charles M. Roslof
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> Pronouns: they <http://pronoun.is/they/.../themself>/he
> <http://pronoun.is/he>
>
> NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical
> reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community
> members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more
> on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer>.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 2:27 AM Philip Kopetzky 
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Chuck for digging out that old email, it does explain why this
> isn't
> > done for every country.
> > Chris and Sandra have a point though, because this can't be a legal issue
> > for most European countries for example. In return, the local
> organisations
> > and communities would benefit from an added layer of feedback based on
> > their work.
> >
> > Furthermore, how and how much we fundraise will be one of the important
> > talking points when implementing the recommendations, especially to set a
> > benchmark to evaluate if involving local organisations in the fundraising
> > process actually works or not.
> >
> > Best,
> > Philip
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 09:38, Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <
> > rient...@wikimedia.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree with Chris.
> > > Furthermore: Wikimedia Nederland, like all chapters, puts a lot of
> effort
> > > in raising awareness of and support for the Wikimedia projects.  I
> would
> > > really like to know if these efforts 'pay off'.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandra Rientjes
> > > Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
> > >
> > > tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 (ma, di, do)
> > > mob. (+31) (0)6  31786379 (wo, vrij)
> > >
> > > www.wikimedia.nl
> > >
> > >
> > > Mariaplaats 3
> > > 3511 LH  Utrecht
> > >
> > >
> > > Op do 3 okt. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Chris Keating <
> > > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > >
> > > > Hi Chuck,
> > > >
> > > > The reasons the question keeps getting asked is because it was never
> > > really
> > > > answered in the first place.
> > > >
> > > > The only good reason I can think of for not publishing country-level
> > data
> > > > is that there are some countries where that could create risks to the
> > WMF
> > > > or individuals because they're places where giving donations to a US
> > > > nonprofit is either illegal or politically risky.
> > > >
> > > > However that doesn't apply to most countries, so why not publish the
> > data
> > > > for most of the world?
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:34 AM Chuck Roslof 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Philip,
> > > > >
> > > > > We do not publish country-level fundraising numbers. My colleague
> > > Stephen
> > > > > discussed why on this list a few years back, so rather than
> > > paraphrasing
> > > > > his previous email I'll just provide a link to it:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085576.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Chuck
> > > > >
> > > > > ==
> > > > > Charles M. Roslof
> > > > > Legal Counsel
> > > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > > Pronouns: they <http://pr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AffCom - Candidates for new mandate

2020-01-23 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Perhaps the self-re-electing AffCom members can elighten us what the future
of AffCom will look like in the light of the recommendations.

On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 10:57, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> To me the main surprise is that AffCom continues to exist despite being
> obviously broken.
>
> It does not fulfill its mandate, it never has done, everyone knows this,
> yet still the WMF is happy to have a non-functional committee.
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:23 AM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> >  On January the 10th I put it in the home page of meta
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Main_Page/WM_News=prev=19695407
> > , I think I did the same last year but I was considering obvious we had
> > received some mails and I did not pay attention.
> > I am surprised there are so many candidates considering the limited
> > publicity the page gets in the month of December.
> >
> > Next year I will try to put it on the news section of the meta home page
> > sooner.
> > Alessandro
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giovedì 23 gennaio 2020, 01:14:00 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> >  Not sure this made it to the Wikimedia-L - I couldn't find it easily, at
> > least. But the candidates for the new mandate in AffCom are under
> > discussion now (and have been for some time already.
> >
> > Interested ppl, please follow the link and comment/endorse/ask questions
> to
> > them there:
> >
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Candidates/December_2019
> >
> > Best,
> > Paulo - DarwIn
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I'm not sure why you want to vote on something that you will have to adapt
to your community needs and implement accordingly, Ziko. What exactly is
contentious about them that needs a vote, especially when the
implementation will hopefully lead to more decentralised structures? Or do
you think it could get worse? ;-)

On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 12:57, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello Anders,
>
> Could you please explain which of the mails in this thread are problematic
> in your opinion? I think that I made a factual statement in the most
> neutral way.
>
> Anders, your opinion is that the recommendations are „wonderful“. I want to
> tolerate your opinion. But do you also tolerate other opinions? Or do you
> think that opponents need a better „attitude“?
>
> Kind regards,
> Ziko
>
>
> Anders Wennersten  schrieb am Di. 21. Jan. 2020
> um 12:14:
>
> > Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
> > on the same planet.
> >
> > A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
> > result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
> > I can see.
> >
> >   And I believe whatever we think of the endresult we should commend the
> > people who have participated, both their commitment and quality of work.
> >
> > As a 8 hours-a- day contributor to a project, I know, as all my
> > colleagues, the importance to have a positive tone in our
> > communityinternal conversation and always be strong in good faith. And I
> > meet that positive tone in my activities in the community and when I
> > meet volunteers and  functionaries IRL. But in this list i find
> > appalling negative entries as i find to  be in direct opposition to our
> > movement values.
> >
> > So please, please use a better tone and attitude in this discussion of
> > the recommendations
> >
> > Andersw
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Den 2020-01-21 kl. 11:49, skrev Fæ:
> > > Ziko, we can vote on whatever we want, whenever we want.
> > >
> > > Us having a RFC on meta does not need the WMF to approve it or like it.
> > An
> > > openly run RFC could itself recommend a board resolution asking the
> > > community appointed board members (you know, the legitimate ones that
> are
> > > accountable to us) to reject or amend the 'recommendations' as the
> > > community sees fit. The WMF board and their CEO know it is in their
> > > interest to take on any firm community consensus rather than playing
> > > political games to get around it.
> > >
> > > I suggest folks take some time out to re-review the recommendations and
> > > wait for the dust to settle before deciding if we want to start a
> > correctly
> > > community-led process for voting on it.
> > >
> > > As others have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give
> any
> > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> > shouting
> > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> > >
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > On Tue, 21 Jan 2020 at 09:54, Ziko van Dijk 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not
> > going
> > >> to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus
> > >>
> > >> Kind regards
> > >> Ziko
> > >>
> > >> Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39 Uhr schrieb Yaroslav Blanter <
> > >> ymb...@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> We will be again talking to the wall. (Would be, I am not going to
> > react
> > >>> this time).
> > >>>
> > >>> Best
> > >>> Yaroslav
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 5:06 AM Todd Allen 
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Katherine,
> > 
> >  These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the
> > >> feedback
> >  on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we
> expect
> >  anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be
> >  talking to the wall?
> > 
> >  Todd
> > 
> >  On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine Maher  >
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I wanted to share some news with you: the first version of the
> > >> movement
> > > strategy recommendations document has been published on Meta [1].
> On
> >  behalf
> > > of the movement strategy working groups and recommendation
> writers, I
> > >>> am
> > > honored to present them to you. We ask you to please take a moment
> to
> >  read
> > > through, review, and comment.
> > >
> > > In 2017, we set about building the future we want, together. In
> 2020,
> >  your
> > > fellow Wikimedians have written and shared a framework for how we
> can
> >  bring
> > > to life our vision of becoming the essential support system of the
> > > ecosystem of free knowledge.
> > >
> > > == Review the recommendations ==
> > >
> > > These recommendations are the result of 18 months 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: New roles for working group members, synthesis underway, and more

2019-11-28 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Yaroslav, the recommendations have always come with the caveat that the
actual implementation depends on the communities implementing them
themselves, adapting them to fit the needs of a specific community.

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:36, Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> The recommendations must be first presented to the movement (and,
> specifically, to the project communities) for approval, and only them
> whatever will be approved, can be presented to the Board,
>
> The reverse sequence will likely result in outright rejection of
> recommendations by the editing communities and further alienation WMF from
> the communities.
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 5:20 PM Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I’m happy to share an overview of what’s been happening in movement
> > strategy lately.
> >
> > == New roles and bringing the recommendations together ==
> > From now until the end of the year, the focus will be on identifying
> > the overlaps in the 89 recommendations produced by the nine thematic
> > area working groups. The goal here is to create one synthesized set of
> > recommendations and an accessible, digestible Movement Strategy
> > document to be shared publicly in January.
> >
> > To do this, we asked working group members in October to let us know
> > if they’d be interested in continuing to contribute to the Wikimedia
> > 2030 Movement Strategy in one of the following roles: Writer,
> > connector, or reviewer.[1]
> >
> > 15 have signed up to be writers, 10 as connectors, and 17 as
> > reviewers. Writers will look for overlaps and similarities in the
> > existing content to see where multiple recommendations could be merged
> > and unified. Connectors will work closely with writers to help them
> > improve and expand the content and assess how and where to best
> > integrate phase 1 material, research, and community input. Reviewers
> > will go through the synthesized recommendations and provide specific
> > additional perspectives, expertise, contexts, and advice as needed.
> >
> > The writers are currently in a high period of activity, which began in
> > early November and will run through December, with ongoing support
> > from the connectors. Alongside bringing together the existing
> > recommendations, they are also defining principles that underpin and
> > guide the content of these recommendations. The writers will come
> > together in Berlin in the first week of December to work intensively
> > on consolidating the recommendations and finalize the work.
> >
> > == Next steps ==
> > When the synthesized recommendations are ready and published in early
> > 2020, a final round of movement conversations will take place.
> > Movement stakeholders will have a chance to understand the path
> > towards these recommendations and to review the semi-final document.
> > The final recommendations will be presented to the Board of Trustees
> > in March and subsequently to the movement for approval. The first step
> > towards implementation will be discussing prioritization and
> > sequencing of the recommendations, as well as agreeing upon
> > responsibilities for bringing each recommendation to life.[2]
> >
> > We’ll keep you posted on future developments and more concrete steps
> > towards approval here and on Wikimedia Space, so stay tuned!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nicole
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups#Synthesis_Groups
> > [2]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Overview/Timeline#Detailed_timeline_October_2019_to_June_2020
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-04 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I can only reiterate what Lodewijk said - I'm trying to find the approach
and goals in the decision to acknowledge user groups that seem to be an
integral part (or from an outside perspective, should be) of the national
chapter. In the past this has been an indicator of personal conflicts
within a chapter or user group and AffCom perpetuating these conflicts by
setting up competing affiliates (the situation in Albania being a recent
example of this).

Best,
Philip


On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 06:33, effe iets anders 
wrote:

> I would like to note that one of the contacts of this user group is
> Vladimir Medeyko, the director of Wikimedia Russia. I'm assuming
> comfortably that this application happened in full coordination with
> Wikimedia Russia.
>
> The question about process is still an interesting one though (what is
> nowadays the approach of Affcom, and what are the considerations) when a
> user group application comes in from a geographic area with an active
> affiliate at a 'higher level' (in this case, a country). You could continue
> the comparison with what happens if an application would come in from South
> of Nevsky (a neighborhood in St. Petersburg).
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:29 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wikimedia NYC is a very different situation, there is not a national
> > chapter in the US, so it's not a cell of anything.
> > Just to clarify: Saint Petersburg eventually could not be a cell, but the
> > way it is presented (to promote Wikimedia RU activities in SP, with same
> > Wikimedia RU people), it's basically a cell.
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> > Yuri Astrakhan  escreveu no dia quinta,
> 3/10/2019
> > à(s) 23:06:
> >
> > > What about Wikimedia NYC?  (I'm not sure of its organizational status)
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 6:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > paulospern...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wales is a whole country complete with it's own language, I don't
> > believe
> > > > it compares with a city UG.
> > > >
> > > > Paulo
> > > >
> > > > Andy Mabbett  escreveu no dia quinta,
> > > 3/10/2019
> > > > à(s) 22:53:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 20:45, Paulo Santos Perneta
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's
> > > > > basically
> > > > > > a cell of Wikimedia Russia?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a curious precedent.
> > > > >
> > > > > The precedent was already set, in March 2017, by Wikimedia
> Community
> > > > > User Group Wales (c/f Wikimedia UK).
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Andy Mabbett
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> > > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Kirill,

so it seems like geographically large countries are being split up into
different user groups - do you think that this is a viable model for the
future or just happened because of certain circumstances within the Russian
community? Would your template allow a User Group from Rome, Paris, Munich
or Sydney for example?

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 12:20, Kirill Lokshin 
wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User
> Group. The group aims to unite Wikimedians living in St. Petersburg, to
> support the development of content on topics related to St. Petersburg
> across different Wikimedia projects, to promote the Wikimedia projects and
> movement in St. Petersburg, and to build partnerships between the Wikimedia
> community and cultural, scientific, educational, and media institutions in
> St. Petersburg.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Saint_Petersburg_User_Group
> [2]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

2019-10-03 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Thanks Chuck for digging out that old email, it does explain why this isn't
done for every country.
Chris and Sandra have a point though, because this can't be a legal issue
for most European countries for example. In return, the local organisations
and communities would benefit from an added layer of feedback based on
their work.

Furthermore, how and how much we fundraise will be one of the important
talking points when implementing the recommendations, especially to set a
benchmark to evaluate if involving local organisations in the fundraising
process actually works or not.

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 09:38, Sandra Rientjes - Wikimedia Nederland <
rient...@wikimedia.nl> wrote:

> I agree with Chris.
> Furthermore: Wikimedia Nederland, like all chapters, puts a lot of effort
> in raising awareness of and support for the Wikimedia projects.  I would
> really like to know if these efforts 'pay off'.
>
>
>
> Sandra Rientjes
> Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland
>
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> Op do 3 okt. 2019 om 09:13 schreef Chris Keating <
> chriskeatingw...@gmail.com
> >:
>
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
> > The reasons the question keeps getting asked is because it was never
> really
> > answered in the first place.
> >
> > The only good reason I can think of for not publishing country-level data
> > is that there are some countries where that could create risks to the WMF
> > or individuals because they're places where giving donations to a US
> > nonprofit is either illegal or politically risky.
> >
> > However that doesn't apply to most countries, so why not publish the data
> > for most of the world?
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:34 AM Chuck Roslof 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > >
> > > We do not publish country-level fundraising numbers. My colleague
> Stephen
> > > discussed why on this list a few years back, so rather than
> paraphrasing
> > > his previous email I'll just provide a link to it:
> > >
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-November/085576.html
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > ==
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> > > Legal Counsel
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> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:05 AM Philip Kopetzky <
> > philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Patricia,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the report! Is it possible to get a country-by-country
> > > breakdown
> > > > of the donations as well?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Philip
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 01:25, Patricia Pena 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m excited to share with you our FY1819 Fundraising Report
> > > > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2018-19_Report>. This
> > > > report
> > > > > is an opportunity to provide insight into our revenue model and the
> > > > > strategy that goes into creating an impactful fundraising
> campaign. A
> > > > > sincere thank you to the millions of donors in nearly 30 countries
> > who
> > > > > support our mission.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd also like to thank everyone who contributed and collaborated on
> > > this
> > > > > document: Online Fundraising, Major Gifts & Endowment, Fundraising
> > > > > Operations, Donor Services, Fundraising Tech, Legal,
> Communications,
> > > > > Finance and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

2019-10-01 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Patricia,

thanks for the report! Is it possible to get a country-by-country breakdown
of the donations as well?

Kind regards,
Philip

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 01:25, Patricia Pena  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’m excited to share with you our FY1819 Fundraising Report
> . This report
> is an opportunity to provide insight into our revenue model and the
> strategy that goes into creating an impactful fundraising campaign. A
> sincere thank you to the millions of donors in nearly 30 countries who
> support our mission.
>
> I'd also like to thank everyone who contributed and collaborated on this
> document: Online Fundraising, Major Gifts & Endowment, Fundraising
> Operations, Donor Services, Fundraising Tech, Legal, Communications,
> Finance and more! Special thanks to Thea Skaff for once again project
> managing this entire effort.
>
> We welcome your feedback and questions on the talk page.
> Thank you,
> Pats
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors"

2019-09-16 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Gereon, you clearly forget the whole Mediaviewer saga and attendance of WMF
staff at the following WikiCon in Cologne ;-) But that was a long time ago
:-)

On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 at 01:53, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:

> Since 2010 we have the WikiCon for the German language communities with
> more than 300 attendants. I don't remember that the WMF has sent anyone
> to these conventions. And why should they? It's all in German, the
> communities are established and have strong chapters. I suppose the same
> applies to the French language communites. The WMF visits emerging
> communities, to learn about them and to help them by transfering
> knowlege. They visit the CEE meetings, they visit Wiki Indabas. I don't
> think that the WMF is neglecting big communities, it rather makes sense
> that when sending employes across half the planet they check before,
> what benefits the conferences have from their attendance and what
> benefits their attendance bring to the particpants of the conference.
> Cheers, Gereon
>
> Am 15.09.2019 um 20:02 schrieb Thierry Coudray:
> > "*The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking
> contributors*".
> > This harsh sentence is the translation of a statement in French, I've
> just
> > said in a conversation a week ago at the Francophone Wikiconvention held
> > last weekend in Brussels. The statement may seem excessive, because the
> > Foundation does things for the Francophone community as well as for other
> > communities (and its website is fairly well translated into French). But
> it
> > reflected my feeling, shared by my three interlocutors, all non-French,
> > facing that no Foundation high-level members were present to this
> > Wikiconvention: no executive director, nor members of the Board, nor any
> > level-C staff. In an another conversation, where the subject came up over
> > again, someone said this absence was offensive. I do not know if it
> > reflects the majority of attendees feelings but with varying degrees, I
> > would said it was widely shared.
> >
> > In 2017, for the Francophone Wikiconvention in Strasbourg we had a very
> > quick visit of Katherine Maher, in 2018, a simple video message and in
> 2019
> > ... nothing. At the same time, the Francophone Wikiconvention has stepped
> > up with ever more participants, always more countries represented. This
> > year, it brought together more than 220 Francophones, Algerian, Belgian,
> > Beninese, Cameroonian, Canadian, French, Guinean, Ivorian, Swiss and
> > Tunisian contributors, and I may forget some, with varied and enriching
> > conferences and meetings. A huge success, very well organized by
> employees
> > but also by several volunteers, who dedicated time and energy. This
> > Wikiconvention and the projects and achievements submitted have shown the
> > French-speaking Wikimedia community vitality, which will continue to
> grow.
> > FYI, French is foreseen, thanks to Africa, to be the most rapidly growing
> > languages in the next twenty years and will be the mother tongue or the
> > language used for communication for more than 8% of the world's
> population
> > in thirty years' time. But my reaction would have been the same if I had
> > attended an Arabic, Chinese, Spanish, Swahili-speaking or any other
> > important languages Wikiconvention.
> >
> > So yes, this Wikiconvention is not in English. Fortunately, not all
> > Wikimedia meetings are in English. In a previous discussion on this
> mailing
> > list about the question of whether or not it is appropriate to continue
> > Wimania, one of the participants argued that unlike other Wikimedia
> > meetings, anyone could attend Wikmania. It may be obvious for those who
> > have English as a mother tongue or for Northern Europeans for whom
> English
> > is almost a second mother tongue but this is false: English is spoken
> only
> > by a small minority in the world, less than one human in six. So only one
> > human in six or seven could attend Wikimania or any other
> english-speaking
> > conferences or meetings (the case of the vast majority of global
> Wikimedia
> > conferences). I do not deny a common working language usefulness but a
> > Wikiconvention in French, as I hope other languages ones will be more to
> > come soon, allows all non-English speaking Francophones to participate in
> > the Wikimedia movement and above all, help them to meet our common goal
> of
> > spread freeknowledge.The movement talks a lot about its efforts to
> overcome
> > differents gaps (gender, LGBT,...) and it's rightly pointed, these topics
> > are important. But it simply forget the language gap and the almost
> > exclusive use of English excludes a very large majority.
> >
> > So why no high level Foundation members in Brussels ?
> > I was told that Valerie D'Costa, the new Chief of Community Engagement,
> > should initially be there but finally told she will not. But then, no
> other
> > member could then replace her and why only one Foundation representant
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Change in WMAU Committee

2019-09-02 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Congrats to the elected members of WMAU :-)

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 13:08, Biyanto Rebin 
wrote:

> Congratulations, Robert and all WMAU team!
>
> Regards,
>
> Pada tanggal Jum, 30 Agu 2019 pukul 06.01 Robert Myers <
> robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> menulis:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > On Sunday 25 August 2019, Wikimedia Australia held its Annual General
> > Meeting (AGM).
> >
> > Two long term Committee members, Gideon Digby and Tom Hograth, have
> taken a
> > step back from WMAU as Committee members but will be still involved
> within
> > the movement.
> >
> > Current WMAU Committee as of 25 August 2019
> >
> > Office-bearers
> >
> >- Pru Mitchell - President
> >- Alex Lum - Vice-President
> >- Robert Myers - Secretary
> >- Steven Crossin - Treasurer
> >
> > Ordinary Committee Members
> >
> >- Caddie Brain
> >- Matthew Moore
> >- Jacinta Sutton
> >- Sam Wilson
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hey Ziko,

I'm sure you yourself can point out the recommendations that are based on a
year of deliberations and research than those that are not. It is pretty
hard work to gather all the feedback from the last year as well as analyse,
weight and incorporate it into the final recommendations. This work is
still taking place and won't be finished until mid-September, so right now
it would be great to get your view on the goals for 2030 in the
recommendations rather than pick apart one-liners (and those views a can
also be more than just one's own opinion, if you're so inclined).

Best,
Philip



On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 15:48, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
> been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future
> of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the
> working groups.
>
> If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers now have one month to give
> feedback. In October, the process of refining and finalizing has to be
> ready, and in November, the movement will have to start with implementing
> the recommendations.
>
> Having seen now more of the documents, my conclusion can only be one: the
> documents are simply not ready for this stage of the process. They are much
> more unready than they should be for being put to the eyes of the Wikimeda
> volunteers.
>
> There are documents in which there is only one question answered, by one
> sentence. Other documents don't show that any research has been used to
> back the statements. Many obvious arguments and links are missing. At least
> at one occasion I read as an answer to an important question: "todo".
>
> The proposals often give the impression that they are not thought through.
> There should be quotas for admins, but we see nowhere an explanation how
> that would relate to the right to remain anonymous. There is the statement
> that minorities sometimes can only express themselves with ND and NC
> content, but the two links in the document hardly back that claim. After
> years in which the Wikimedia organizations and other free and open content
> organizations taught us that NC is problematic, now such a drastic change?
>
> And there is this already infamous sentence: Instead of being informed
> about the possible negative impacts of NC and ND, we only read: "All change
> has negative connotations to some members of the community."
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
>
> I find it stunning that there was nobody who went through the documents
> before publication and said: we cannot publish this sentence, it is giving
> a very bad impression about our attitude towards the community (= the very
> same people we are asking to invest their time for giving feedback).
>
> This does not mean that all documents or all sections and recommendations
> are unusable or damaging. I also cannot judge about the efforts invested,
> as I have no insight in the inner workings. But it is very frustrating for
> me to read the documents and often have to guess what they actually mean.
> And it seems to me, given the comments on the user pages on Meta Wiki, on
> this list, on de:WP:Kurier and on Facebook, that I am not the only one who
> feels this frustration.
>
> Therefore, I ask the people responsible: please reconsider the timeline. If
> these documents are the result of one year work, then the documents will
> not be ready within two and a half months. Consider several months for the
> working groups to use the present feedback for a redraft, and then give the
> Wikimedia volunteers at least the same amount of time for giving feedback
> again.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Andy,

the way the recommendations were drafted was not straightforward and they
are still drafts, some less defined than might be ideal at this point in
time. Personally I would not accept such a statement in a final
recommendation, but these are still rather talking points than specific
visions of the future and it would be great to discuss them in that way.

Best,
Philip

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 18:53, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 16:51, Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > This is a
> > process for all of us to shape our shared future, together; let’s keep
> > engaging and challenging one another in this same spirit.
>
> Perhaps it would also be in keeping with that spirit for this:
>
> Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
>
> All change has negative connotations to some members of the community
>
> to be re-written, to actually reflect the proposal's real and significant
> risks?
>
> As it stands, I do not find it to be "solution-oriented", nor
> indicative of "due review and reflection", nor "in the spirit of
> collegial collaboration", and I do not think anyone could plausibly
> argue that it is any of those things.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Please don't generalise frustration with your conduct on this list. You're
the only one telling people to shut up here.

And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can incorporate
indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current
licensing scheme?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I'm pretty sure that that licensing recommendation is still
work-in-progress and the legal implications haven't been analysed yet.

I guess that assuming good faith is not your strong suit, Fae? Be part of
the solution, for once.

On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 11:25, Fæ  wrote:

> I agree that the official announcement on Commons is worse than
> unfortunate.
>
> The announcement by the Diversity Working Group on a sub-page of the
> VP of their recommendation to permit NC and ND license restrictions on
> Commons, comes after no attempt in advance to discuss the
> recommendation or its wording with Wikimedia Commons community *on
> Commons*. It is not helped by the poster being a volunteer with barely
> any activity on Commons, so not the best person to discuss the future
> of Commons with.
> Link:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump%2FCopyright=revision=361624891=361607626
>
> The justifications for the change read as unsourced and arbitrary. In
> particular there is no evidence that using Commons to host NC ND
> material that may be important to minority communities, such as
> traditional folk art, would help better to educate the public about
> those arts when the same NC restriction would halt in its
> tracks the general use of Commons by educators and universities. The
> change in commons policies would have the consequence of advice to
> educators being against using our media in lectures, study materials,
> academic papers, academic books etc.
>
> The Meta page that is linked to verges on being blatantly hostile to
> the views of the Wikimedia Commons communities
> * Q4a. Could this Recommendation have a negative impact/change?
> * (Answer) All change has negative connotations to some members of the
> community.
> This appears deliberately flippant and provocative. Bizarre.
>
> If the WMF sponsored recommendation is hostile up front, I do not see
> much point in the community discussing the change, it may as well just
> be mass voted down. Discussion when the team recommending the strategy
> is openly hostile to "some members of the community" on its own
> recommendations page, will only lead to more polarization of the WMF
> versus everyone else type.
>
> Fae
>
> --
> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
>
> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 at 02:11, Todd Allen  wrote:
> >
> > (Response apparently wasn't sent to list previously.)
> >
> > Yes, I think there ought to be a place to discuss the whole thing, as
> > several share a fatal flaw in that they advocate dictating to local
> > communities from above.
> >
> > Is this getting announced anywhere other than on the mailing list? There
> is
> > a proposal in these to literally undermine Wikipedia's free content
> mission
> > by allowing nonfree licenses. (
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/9
> )
> > Do you think, maybe, we shouldn't attempt to slip that through unnoticed
> > and uncommented?
> >
> > For example, here's the notice that was left on Commons:
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons%3AVillage_pump=revision=360549650=360506118
> > .
> > It's totally anodyne, and gives absolutely no indication that such
> massive
> > changes, which would entirely strip the communities of autonomy, are
> > proposed there. For example, I suspect Commons might be just a bit
> > interested to know these proposals would force them to accept nonfree
> > content. If this is in any way an honest process, make sure the
> > announcements indicate how breathtakingly broad and destructive these
> > proposals are.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019 at 7:35 AM Isaac Olatunde  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe there are related discussion pages, Todd. Do you think there
> > > should have been separate pages for discussion aside the talk pages?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Isaac.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Aug 10, 2019, 2:29 PM Szymon Grabarczuk <
> tar.locesil...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> How about talk pages?
> > >>
> > >> Z poważaniem / Kind regards
> > >>
> > >> *Szymon Grabarczuk*
> > >> userpage: pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion
> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >> ᐧ
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 14:28, Todd Allen 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there
> > >> should
> > >> > be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I
> would
> > >> like
> > >> > to object to.
> > >> >
> > >> > Todd
> > >> >
> > >> > On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Nicole Ebber <
> nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de
> > >> >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Dear fellow Wikimedians,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to announce the first round of
> > >> > > draft recommendations 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Questioning is ok - we might indeed need to introduce some oversight, but
to be honest, I doubt this would solve the trust issue as long as some
people demand full transparency where there can never be full transparency.

Speculating and accusing victims of being the actual perpetrators,
believing the perpetrators more than the victims, perpetrators depicting
themselves as the victims, is a sad default behaviour in our community.
This needs to change. Seriously.

On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 08:17, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> How can we BE safe in the movement if we cannot question the decisions of
> T? (when they appear questionable and unsafe)
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 7:57 AM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all
>
> First of all I don’t know the context of this conversation. I know that I
> personnally find that the actions of  Trust& Safety  very valuable and
> wise. I totally support and trust their judgement.
>
> I am tired of seing their work criticized, and do not appreciate official
> chapter representants and employees publicly supporting alleged offenders,
> showing no aknowledgement of the fact that this is very toxic for alleged
> victims, and does not help to change attitude towards issues of
> harrassment.
>
> How can we feel safe in the movement if the decisions of T are
> questionned by official members of our movement?
>
> Nattes à chat
>
>
>
>
>
> Le 21 juin 2019 à 01:04, Chris Keating  a
> écrit :
>
> >>
> >> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> >> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting
> someone
> >> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had
> to
> >> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was
> affected
> >> by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when
> you
> >> grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
> >> feelings of others."
> >>
> >> If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
> >> Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
> >> this thread.
> >
> >
> > Thank you, Molly, for expressing what I was just trying to summon the
> > energy to write.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Thanks Molly for your thoughtful words, I really hope your words make some
people think about their own replies in this thread.

On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 23:42, GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much about
> the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said on
> this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on
> who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a multitude
> of other reasons. I suspect no one truly knows the whole story (even the
> folks who were directly involved—after all, you can never know the
> intentions of another person, or how they are interpreting your own
> actions). But what we do know is that some actions Romaine took led to
> Trust & Safety deciding they needed to intervene. They are tasked with
> keeping people within our movement safe, both online and in person at
> events. In my experience they do an extremely good job.
>
> It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia
> movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting someone
> who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to
> intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was affected
> by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when you
> grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the
> feelings of others."
>
> If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why
> Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on
> this thread.
>
> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:26 PM Pierre-Selim 
> wrote:
>
> > Her POV ?
> >
> > Well I can confirm what Caroline said.
> >
> > What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?
> >
> > It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to
> > wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents reported.
> > Things that should have stayed private were told on this mailing list by
> > Romaine... well when do we stop this ?
> >
> > Please keep in mind when you cast your support here that people who have
> > reported Romaine might be reading this.
> >
> > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 23:12, Gerard Meijssen  >
> > a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Caroline,
> > > For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has
> quite
> > > the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for us
> > all
> > > he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I do
> > not
> > > know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by many. It
> > may
> > > help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience,
> the
> > > feelings of others. Maybe it is too difficult for you, I do not know
> as I
> > > do not know you at all.
> > >
> > > What I wonder is to what extend do you know Romaine, to what extend are
> > you
> > > stuck in your pov.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 19:00, Caroline Becker 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to learn
> > and
> > > > grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing
> no
> > > > willingness to grow and learn.
> > > >
> > > > But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming your
> > > right
> > > > to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to you and none to the
> people
> > > you
> > > > hurt), you're rewarding with public support ?
> > > >
> > > > Caroline
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 18:55, Dennis During  a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > > > I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this
> > > unfortunate
> > > > > outcome
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki <
> romaine.w...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  Dear community,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no
> longer
> > > > > attend
> > > > > > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to silence
> > me,
> > > > > > intimidation and treats against me. This has resulted in that I
> > feel
> > > > > > extremely unsafe as the result of the behaviour of only a few
> > > > > individuals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-11 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Well, I just hope things turn out better this time. Fingers crossed!

On Sat, 8 Jun 2019 at 09:31, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> The affiliate was originally formed in 2008 as the wannabe chapter
> Wikimedia Brasil, and made its life as a chapter until 2010 when it was
> noticed that it was not incorporated nor had any intention of becoming
> incorporated, and the whole thing was canceled.
>
> Some of its members and new volunteers in Brazil then immediately joined
> together to form the chapter again, and there even is a resolution in
> Wikimania Haifa 2011 about that. The negotiations with affcom took an awful
> lot of time and bureaucracy, and by 2013 they had already incorporated but
> were still waiting to have the chapter approved. They eventually managed to
> be approved as an user group by tlsummer 2013, which is the one that was
> reapproved now.
>
> Paulo
>
> A sexta, 7 de jun de 2019, 23:50, Nathan  escreveu:
>
> > Philip - as can be seen from the group's meta page, this is the former
> > Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil. Originally founded in 2013, this
> > organization was de-recognized by AffCom about one year ago.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-05 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Chico,

I'm still confused who "we" is and what the history of this group is
compared to the previous user groups. Is there now one big community that
is represented in this user group? Because that would be a great step
forward :-)

Best,
Philip

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 05:32, Chico Venancio 
wrote:

> Dear Seddon,
>
> Thank you for your interest in the Brazilian community.
>
> The Affiliations Committee has created a page to discuss the situation in
> the Brazilian community. You may want to direct questions to them or in
> general to community members on this page [1].
>
> The User Group Wiki Movimento Brasil is strongly committed to improving
> community health, striving to engage the Wikimedian communities and keep a
> safe environment for participation. With that commitment in mind --and even
> before the official re-recognition-- we have looked for support and have
> created a code of conduct [2] and a friendly space policy [3], to which all
> members must abide. We are currently working on a diversity plan with
> Community Development staff members, that should be ready in less than six
> months.
>
> We take this space as an opportunity to invite the global community to get
> to know and engage with the set of activities we run. Since 2013, we have
> led numerous GLAM partnerships [4], one of the largest education programs
> in the world [5], many community events focused on advanced Wikidata topics
> [6] and several other outreach activities and programs.
>
> Thank you all and good contributions.
>
> Chico Venancio,
> On behalf of User Group Wiki Movimento Brasil
>
> References
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Brazil_Next_Steps
> [2]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Movement_Brazil_User_Group/Code_of_Conduct
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Movement_Brazil_User_Group/Friendly_Space_Policy
> [4]
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:This_Month_in_GLAM_Brazil_reports
> [5]
> https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/campaigns/grupo_de_usu%C3%A1rios_wikimedia_no_brasil/programs
> [6] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:!Wikidata_Labs
>
>
> Em sáb, 1 de jun de 2019 às 08:59, Joseph Seddon 
> escreveu:
> >
> > I didn't mean for any intended accusation in my initial question, and to
> > clarify I do not sit on AffCom along I have a long standing interest in
> > affiliates.
> >
> > After the issues with the two previous affiliates in Brazil, it was the
> > Brazilian community themselves who could take the situation into their
> own
> > hands and move forward and I was genuinely interested how the community
> > plans to do that and avoid repeats of the past.
> >
> > Regards
> > Seddon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:24 PM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Joseph
> > >
> > > Perhaps we could assume that your colleagues on the Affiliations
> Committee
> > > are well aware of the past history and have taken it into consideration
> > > privately, which is exactly how such issues sould be considered, rather
> > > than on a public mailing list.  Unless you have evidence to the
> cotrary?
> > >
> > > Thrapostibongles
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 11:43 AM Joseph Seddon  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Asking as a volunteer with a broad interest in affiliate matters
> rather
> > > > than as a staff member:
> > > >
> > > > What steps is the Brazilian community taking to ensure there isn't a
> > > repeat
> > > > of past breakdowns in community cooperation?
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > >
> > > > Seddon
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> > > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > >
> > > > > I would like to correct myself, as since October 2018 there is one
> more
> > > > > Wikimedia affiliate with Portuguese as its official language, our
> very
> > > > good
> > > > > friends "Muj(lh)eres latinoamericanas en Wikimedia", who have been
> > > doing
> > > > > quite a notable work in LATAM:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Muj(lh)eres_latinoamericanas_en_Wikimedia
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Paulo
> > > > >
> > > > > Paulo Santos Perneta  escreveu no dia
> quinta,
> > > > > 30/05/2019 à(s) 15:40:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Wonderful news!
> > > > > > Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia
> > > > > educational
> > > > > > projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line with the
> > > > > > educational projects, and generally with full Wikidata
> integration.
> > > > > > It is very rewarding to see the group recognized again as a
> > > full-right
> > > > > > Wikimedia affiliate.
> > > > > > It also happens to be the only other Portuguese speaking
> affiliate,
> > > > > > besides Wikimedia Portugal. Still a long way to go for one of the
> > > most
> > > > > > spoken native languages in the globe, but that's a great
> improvement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Paulo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I really think that the main problem here is not automation but the problem
Asaf pointed out: A small circle of people dictating the rules and who's
allowed to participate and who isn't. Automation just perpetuates the cycle
of those same people being in control of those processes.

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 17:08, Samuel Klein  wrote:

> I love this thread.  Thank you to all participating in it...
>
> Also: speeding these things with automation is also much easier once there
> is a quarantine where anyone can see flagged material without being an
> admin!   SJ
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 7:39 AM John Erling Blad  wrote:
>
> > This is wrong: "The upload system allow you to upload something if you
> > are the author. Period."
> >
> > The system as it is now will allow anyone to upload a file given (s)he
> > has the necessary rights. That does not imply the uploader being the
> > author of the material.
> >
> > Note that verifying whether the uploaded material already exist out on
> > the web must be done before the file is made public, otherwise any
> > attempt on detecting a copyviolation will fail. That would imply that
> > a copyvio algorithm must be automated. The questionable material could
> > still be uploaded, but then a permission should be forwarded to OTRS.
> > Also, a report from the copyvio algorithm should be stored with the
> > uploaded material, as it is impossible to retrace the detection after
> > the material is made public.
> >
> > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 4:23 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I am the author of the post, some remarks:
> > >
> > >   *   Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of
> > the Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place
> is
> > unfair and nonsense.
> > >   *   Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to
> > think on experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying
> > to convince to upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't
> know
> > how to communicate and why they must do it.
> > >   *   The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the
> > author. Period.
> > >   *   Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying which
> > is the original work is not a good practice.
> > >   *   Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great
> > job-queue. But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this can
> > take a whole year of volunteer work.
> > >   *   After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was
> > able to point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone.
> > >
> > > Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have
> > less problems.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Galder
> > > 
> > > From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> > of Vi to 
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:35 PM
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach
> > >
> > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images
> > on
> > > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come
> > from
> > > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work.
> > >
> > > Vito
> > >
> > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <
> jmh...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested
> in
> > > > having more admins?
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay for
> > > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a
> > > > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be
> > > > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to
> see
> > > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be
> > > > > reduced.[1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping
> > > > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make
> mass
> > > > > housekeeping very easy.
> > > > >
> > > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image
> > > > > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons
> > hat
> > > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use
> than
> > > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to
> suck
> > > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long,
> that
> > > > > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were
> > > > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive
> short
> > > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful
> > > > > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away.
> > > > >
> > > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

2019-04-24 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Congrats Korea! :-)

On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr.  wrote:

> In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional Cooperation
> (ESEAP) we would like to extend our congratulations to our member country
> for being elevated as a fully recognized chapter!
>
> We are looking forward to our future regional meeting and collaboration!
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Butch
> Philippines
>
>
>
>
> Note: ESEAP is a regional collaborative composed of affiliates Wikimedia
> Indonesia, Wikimedia Taiwan, Wikimedia Australia, Wikimedia Korea,
> Wikimedians in Thailand, Philippine Wikimedia Community User Group,
> Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia, Wikimedia User Group China,
> Wikimedia Community User Group Hong Kong, and Vietnam Wikimedians.
> Membership also include Wikimedia communities and nationalities of Brunei,
> Cambodia, Japan, Laos, Macau, Mongolia, Myanmar, New Zealand, Papua New
> Guinea, Singapore, and Timor Leste (East Timor).
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 6:11 AM María Sefidari 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia Foundation
> Board
> > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedia Korea!
> >
> > For more information about our newest Wikimedia chapter, Wikimedia Korea,
> > please see the announcement on the Wikimedia Foundation website:
> >
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/2019/04/23/wikimedia-korea-new-chapter-affiliate-launches-in-south-korea/
> >
> > I want to congratulate the new chapter and recognize their commitment,
> > efforts, and time involved in moving through the chapter recognition
> > process over the past year. From their work building partnerships with
> > universities, to supporting and training new editors in South Korea, we
> > look forward to seeing the impactful work from our community members in
> > South Korea as they advance in their new affiliate role.
> >
> > As many of you know, this is our first chapter approval in several years
> -
> > since the newest Wikimedia affiliate approval processes were put in
> place.
> > This marks a new moment in the history of our Wikimedia movement
> > affiliates. The Board appreciates the amazing work coming from these user
> > groups around the world, and is inspired to see how far some of these
> > groups have come in terms of their impact both on our movement and their
> > local communities. Indeed, we should all be proud of the impact our
> > affiliates continue to have on our projects, our vision, and the world
> > around us.
> >
> > Any affiliate interested in becoming a chapter or thematic organization
> > must have at least two years of activities and experience as a user group
> > before applying. Please check out the user group creation guide to get a
> > user group started - it is meant to be very easy:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_user_groups/Creation_guide
> >
> >
> > You can find a lot more information about our movement affiliates model
> on
> > Meta:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Models
> >
> > You may also reach out to the Affiliations Committee with questions or to
> > begin the approval process for your group:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee
> > Please join me in congratulating Wikimedia Korea for this important
> > achievement and thanking the members of the Affiliations Committee and
> > Wikimedia Foundation staff who supported and worked with them during this
> > long process.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > María
> >
> > --
> >
> > María Sefidari Huici
> >
> > Chair of the Board
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [strategy process] Fwd: I decided to leave the working group

2019-04-01 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Itzik,

I'm sorry you feel this way and would hope you would still feel inclined to
provide a critical point of view on the process. I agree with you that
we're bad at changing processes that are evidently broken, but don't you
think that we are exactly changing this fact by moving on from an affiliate
system that has been broken for at least 3-4 years now and are finally
prioritising measures that will support our communities in becoming
healthier and more fun to work in?

Best,
Philip

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 at 19:09, Kiril Simeonovski 
wrote:

> Hi Anders,
>
> There is an expression in Macedonian that says „Секое вештачко нешто се
> распаѓа на природен начин.“ (Every artificial creation breaks down
> naturally.). This is exactly what is going to happen with this strategy.
>
> Best regards,
> Kiril
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 7:05 PM Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>
> wrote:
>
> > There is a Swedish expression "har man tagit fan i båten får man ro
> > honom i land" (If you have taken the devil into your boat you must row
> > him ashore"
> >
> > Independent if this process has been bad or not, I see it is as just
> > some six month left of it. And it is important to do the best of it. It
> > would be a bad move to stop it at thois point in time, and would also be
> > too late to correct the process if it has been flawed.
> >
> > Anders
> >
> >
> > Den 2019-03-27 kl. 14:05, skrev Itzik - Wikimedia Israel:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Two weeks ago I sent this email to my strategy working group (resource
> > > allocation). I didn't plan to send a public email, just to share with
> the
> > > rest of the group my reason to leave and just to disappear.
> > > I receive feedbacks with many of the group members and also requesting
> > > permissions to transfer it with others outside of the group, which
> leads
> > to
> > > more conversations that I had around it.
> > >
> > > Last week we had our weekly phone call, during which we discussed our
> > > feelings and opinions about the process so far. From our long
> > conversation
> > > and the conversations with the others, I learned that many of these
> > > feelings exist among the other members, as well some ideas on how to
> make
> > > it easier and less demanding and at the same time publishing the
> > > conclusions sooner.
> > > Yesterday, following a good conversation with one of the WMF's board
> > > members about it, I was asked to share these thoughts with the
> movement's
> > > list, so that it may also involve the community's feedback as well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson (volunteer)
> > > it...@wikimedia.org.il
> > > +972-54-5878078
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Forwarded message -
> > > From: Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
> > > Date: Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 2:08 PM
> > > Subject: I decided to leave the working group
> > > To: 
> > >
> > > Dear friends,
> > >
> > > For a long time I have been considering leaving the working group but
> > each
> > > time I decided to give it another chance. Yesterday, after long
> > > consideration, I decided to write this email.
> > >
> > > I must be honest - I was skeptical from the first moment about this
> > > process. The huge amount of money which the board allocated to this
> > process
> > > together with the complicated and (very) long process planned for it -
> > make
> > > me doubt the ability to really have a real outcome in a reasonable
> time.
> > > For the past two years, it seems to me like the strategy took over
> almost
> > > every movement event and activity. I feel bad for investing millions of
> > > dollars from our donations and uncounted hours of volunteer time into
> > this
> > > process.
> > >
> > > I also felt hypocritical in the way the foundation acts - while
> > "freezing"
> > > grant programs (such as APG) and holding affiliates from increasing
> their
> > > programs and budgets, "because of the strategy process" while
> > > simultaneously approving itself to increase its budget and staff year
> > after
> > > year by tens of percentage.
> > >
> > > Despite my distrust of the chances of this process and the criticism I
> > felt
> > > for it, I instructed my organization to give it the full support we
> been
> > > asked, as all our movement did. Later on, I decided to join this
> working
> > > group as I felt we almost reached the final step of the process and I
> > > wanted to help shape the recommendations. I was totally wrong.
> > >
> > > In the first months of the workgroups, I felt it was completely wasted
> of
> > > time. I saw how wonderful volunteers tried to lead the process within
> > each
> > > group (thank you Daria!) - but it wasn't their job, nor none of us. I
> > felt
> > > like I was returning to university, and every few weeks I received
> > > instructions and homework from the lecturer, with assignments to the
> > > following week - and in between, that we need to lead it and solve
> things
> > > by ourselves. It took the core team a 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-12 Thread Philip Kopetzky
6 /
>> skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
>>
>>
>> 06.02.2019, 21:02, "Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l" <
>> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>:
>> >  I guess... probably one include also the majority of Kosovo,
>> Albanian-speaking regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia and maybe
>> even Southern Italy and the other one is just centered on Albania as a
>> state. This is not the same scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially,
>> also Greece) since in that case we had two group precisely centered on one
>> country.
>> >
>> > It's not totally practical but the geopolitical situation is not
>> practical in the end by itself...  You cannot force people to get rid of a
>> group that might become a future national chapter because their language is
>> spoken by many other people in neighboring countries who already clustered
>> in a  previous UG. So it should not be considered a critical situation per
>> se, although the interaction of the two UGs should be closely monitored and
>> addressed since the beginning.
>> >
>> > What is missing is a precise guideline or attention to UG related to
>> languages (of minorities or globally spoken). You could have the same
>> problem with a future Italian minor languages UG active in Corsica or
>> Croatia, with a Retho-romance Alpine language user group, with a gender gap
>> UG active in a language distributed along various borders... and so on.
>> They don't seem to show huge problems when similar situation exist in
>> reality but they could degenerate, stop cooperation, or never start it with
>> other UGs or national chapters.
>> > I value plurality, I want UG to be created and catalyze activities, and
>> I think that the problem is mostly the character of people. However, I
>> strongly advocate a more structured architecture of language-based UG to be
>> implemented. Basically what I suppose was done with Catalan Wikimedia
>> Thematic Organization, although in that case there is no main entity
>> competing on the area of a sovereign country where Catalan is spoken (which
>> is not necessarily a better scenario, just complex in a different way). We
>> call them almost all "User groups" but they are sometimes local
>> geographical unions of users and volunteers (embryonic future national
>> chapters or just regional associations), language-oriented associations
>> created to involve minorities or cross-projects of interested users unified
>> by a topic. They all have different purpose and should be rationalized
>> somehow. I think I pushed a little bit in that direction on the application
>> to WikiSummit, stressing the importance to make order in the field.
>> > IMHO, we should have single-language thematic organizations
>> (specifically for a language), cross-language thematic organization or
>> local UG centered on a vague historic geographical area or a very precise
>> administrative one. And think carefully about their status. This is however
>> just a vague idea.
>> >
>> > Alessandro
>> >Il mercoledì 6 febbraio 2019, 18:11:57 CET, Philip Kopetzky <
>> philip.kopet...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>> >
>> >  Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others
>> are
>> > left to deal with the fallout of this decision.
>> >
>> > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta <
>> paulospern...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>  Hi Kirill,
>> >>
>> >>  I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having
>> >>  followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst
>> >>  possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer.
>> >>
>> >>  Best,
>> >>
>> >>  Paulo
>> >>
>> >>  2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha :
>> >>
>> >>>  ​ Hi Kirill
>> >>>
>> >>>   Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I
>> had the
>> >>>  very same question.
>> >>>
>> >>>  Mardetanha
>> >>>
>> >>>  On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky <
>> >>>  philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
>> >>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  > Hi Kirill,
>> >>>  >
>> >>>  > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the
>> >>>  Wikimedians
>> >>>  > of Albanian Languag

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposed changes to the Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws

2019-02-10 Thread Philip Kopetzky
I just wanted to re-iterate Chris' point - meetings and plans are starting
to be put together for the summit, so if this is actually happening, it
should start soon. (Just to appear as non-committal as possible ;-) )

Cheers,
Philip

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 16:43, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> Hi Maria,
>
> I wondered if there was any news about whether the Board had, in the end,
> adopted any of these proposals.
>
> I see that the ASBS process is now on the agenda for the Wikimedia Summit
> in late March. There is now not much time to figure out who is going to run
> this process and what the process will look like!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 3:46 PM María Sefidari 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is considering amending the
> > Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws. Nataliia Tymkiv, Chair of the Board
> Governance
> > Committee, is leading this process. She has posted the proposed changes
> on
> > Meta for discussion
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_bylaws/December_2018_-_Affiliate-selected_trustees,_term_limits,_and_diversity
> > >
> > prior to our vote on them during the Board meeting scheduled for January
> > 23, 2019. We invite you to comment on the proposal's talk page. As usual
> in
> > these cases, two weeks are provided for community comment, from December
> 7
> > to December 21.
> >
> > By making the proposed changes to the Bylaws, the Board intends to
> achieve
> > three goals:
> >
> > *1. Include User Groups in the trustee selection process*
> >
> > Though User Groups have existed as a model of affiliation within the
> > Wikimedia movement for a number of years, they have not been included
> > together with Chapters and Thematic Organizations as participants in
> > selecting Wikimedia Foundation trustees. There are now over 100
> recognized
> > User Groups, many of which represent emerging communities within the
> > Wikimedia movement. The Board believes that the perspectives of User
> Groups
> > combined with those of Chapters and Thematic Organizations will lead to
> the
> > selection of the best trustee candidates.
> >
> > The Board acknowledges that the ongoing Wikimedia movement strategy
> process
> > may result in changes to many aspects of the Wikimedia movement,
> including
> > the structure of movement affiliates. As a result, any changes we make
> now
> > to the Foundation Bylaws regarding the role of affiliates in the trustee
> > selection process may need to be modified again in the future, in turn
> > requiring additional amendments to the Bylaws. However, the Board did not
> > want to delay providing User Groups with a voice in the upcoming 2019
> > trustee selection process.
> >
> > *2. Raise term limits for trustees from two to three consecutive terms*
> >
> > Term limits for trustees were added to the Bylaws in 2015. At the time,
> > there was a desire on the Board to bring in new voices and specific
> > skill-sets needed for the growth and development of Wikimedia projects.
> The
> > changes made at that time have resulted in some notable successes in that
> > regard. The Board remains committed to seeking out new voices, and
> > providing the community with ample opportunities to promote such voices
> as
> > candidates for the Board.
> >
> > As the Wikimedia movement and the Wikimedia Foundation think forward
> > further to the future, the Board will need to oversee the Foundation in
> > setting, following through on, and achieving longer-term goals. The Board
> > believes it will be better able to fulfill its role if it allows for the
> > potential of a longer time on the Board for individual trustees who bring
> > essential expertise and insight to the Board. The possibility of serving
> > one additional term on the Board also reduces the amount of time the
> Board
> > and Foundation staff spend on trustee recruitment and onboarding. Raising
> > the maximum number of consecutive terms a trustee may serve from two to
> > three terms achieves these goals, and is also consistent with the
> practice
> > of many other boards. Raising the maximum number of terms that can be
> > served consecutively does not change the fact that the community,
> including
> > affiliates, will continue to be able to determine every three years
> whether
> > or not to re-elect currently serving trustees or whether to elect new
> > candidates - just as is the case now.
> >
> > *3. Reaffirm the Board’s commitment to diversity*
> >
> > The Wikimedia movement is global, built on a vision of reaching every
> > single human being and working toward a strategic goal of knowledge
> equity
> > for all. The Board believes that it can best serve the Wikimedia
> Foundation
> > and the movement by reflecting a wide range of human experiences. We want
> > to underscore and codify this belief in the Bylaws by adding express
> > language affirming our commitment to diversity and inclusion of all
> voices,
> > throughout 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2019-02-06 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others are
left to deal with the fallout of this decision.

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Hi Kirill,
>
> I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having
> followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst
> possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer.
>
> Best,
>
> Paulo
>
> 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha :
>
>> ​ Hi Kirill
>>
>>   Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I had the
>> very same question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mardetanha
>>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky <
>> philip.kopet...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Kirill,
>> >
>> > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the
>> Wikimedians
>> > of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a
>> > simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios by
>> > reconising even more user groups from the same area?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Philip
>> >
>> > On 22 May 2018 at 22:07, Kirill Lokshin 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi everyone!
>> > >
>> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
>> recognized
>> > > [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Albania [2] as a Wikimedia User
>> Group.
>> > > The group aims to improve content about Albania across the Wikimedia
>> > > projects, including Commons and Wikidata, and to collaborate with
>> other
>> > > Wikimedia user groups, chapters, and other free culture groups in
>> Albania
>> > > and across the region.
>> > >
>> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Kirill Lokshin
>> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
>> > >
>> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
>> > > Resolutions/Recognition_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania
>> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_
>> > Group_Albania
>> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedia Community of Tatar Language User Group

2018-12-05 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Congrats Farhad :-)

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 12:51, Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin <
f...@yandex.com> wrote:

> Our St.Petersburg colleagues wrote a Russian Wikinews article dedicated to
> the event.
>
> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Татарские_викимедийцы_создали_четвёртую_в_России_юзер-группу_Викимедиа
>
> It's English translation is available in November 2018 CEE Newsletter @
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CEE/Newsletter/November_2018/Contents/Russia_report#Russia_report:_Tatar_Wikimedians_created_Russia's_4th_Wikimedia_User_Group
>
> For Erzya language version, see
> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Татаронь_викис_витни-петнийтне_тейсть_нилеце_Россиясо_Викимедиянь_пурнавкс
>
> Translation into Tatar is also coming along @
> https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Татарча_язучы_викимедиачылар_Россиядә_дүртенче_Викимедиа_кулланучылар_төркемен_төзеде
>
> regards,
> farhad
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>
> 27.11.2018, 20:15, "Kirill Lokshin" :
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] the Wikimedia Community of Tatar Language User Group [2] as a
> Wikimedia
> > User Group. The group aims to develop Wikipedia in Tatar into most
> popular
> > content portal of the Tatar-language internet; to grow other Wikimedia
> > projects in the Tatar language; and to teach new generations of
> > Tatar-language Wikimedians, developing their skills through sharing
> > experiences.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Community_of_Tatar_language_User_Group
> > [2]
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Proposals to Host Wikimania in 2020

2018-09-19 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Ellie,

is there an official statement by the WMF that explains why Wikimania 2020
is happening and that the funding for this event is secured? Wikimania does
cost quite a lot of money and I was under the impression that it was
unclear as to if, how and why Wikimania should take place 2020. But maybe
I'm also mistaken on that point.

Best,
Philip

On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 18:53, Ellie Young  wrote:

> No.   We are looking more at rotating regions if we can, and excellent
> proposals/teams.
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:31 AM Joseph Seddon 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Ellie,
> >
> > Is Wikimania still on its programme of "1 EU/US Wikimania" followed by an
> > "Away Wikimania"?
> >
> > Seddon
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 11:44 PM Ellie Young 
> wrote:
> >
> > > The Wikimania Steering Committee and Wikimedia Foundation are seeking
> > > expressions of interest from interested parties for
> > >  hosting
> > > Wikimani
> > > a 2020.
> > >
> > > Please see the following for more information:
> > >
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2020
> > >
> > > If you are interested in discussing the possibilities and working with
> > the
> > > WMF Events Manager in preparing a proposal to host and organize
> Wikimania
> > > 20
> > > 20
> > > , please contact eyoung at wikimedia.org
> > >  by October
> > > 15th.  Also, if you
> > > know of an individual or group that we should approach about hosting,
> we
> > > encourage  nominations as well. The Steering Committee and WMF expect
> to
> > > make a decision by early
> > > 2019.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year competition is now open

2018-06-13 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Thanks Steinplitter! Especially the topic categories are very helpful! :-)

On 13 June 2018 at 12:39, Steinsplitter Wiki 
wrote:

> >> Not trying to criticize anyone or anything, but why is this starting so
> late in the year? I think it would make more sense to have it as early as
> possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the question.  Because lack time by people who are running it,
> and setting up POTY is quite tricky (generating lists, setting up scripts,
> setting up the interface, requesting CN banner, bugfixes of issues, etc.)
> and it involves bureaucracy ;).
>
>
> Best,
>
> Steinsplitter
>
>
> 
> Von: Wikimedia-l  im Auftrag von
> Jon Harald Søby 
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Juni 2018 09:20
> An: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Cc: Wikimedia Commons Discussion List
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Commons 2017 Picture of the Year
> competition is now open
>
> Not trying to criticize anyone or anything, but why is this starting so
> late in the year? I think it would make more sense to have it as early as
> possible.
>
> 2018-06-12 14:53 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki  >:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > We are happy to announce that the 2017 Picture of the Year competition is
> > now open.
> >
> > Picture of the Year 2017 is the twelfth edition of the annual Wikimedia
> > Commons image competition, which recognizes exceptional contributions by
> > users on Wikimedia Commons. Wikimedia users are invited to vote for their
> > favorite images featured on Commons (FP) during the year 2017, to
> produce a
> > single Picture of the Year.
> >
> > Hundreds of images that have been rated Featured Pictures by the
> > international Wikimedia Commons community. From professional animal and
> > plant shots to breathtaking panoramas and skylines, historically relevant
> > images, images portraying the world's best architecture, Commons features
> > pictures of all flavors.
> >
> > For your convenience, we have sorted the images into topic categories.
> Two
> > rounds of voting will be held: In the first (and current) round, you can
> > vote for as many images as you like. The first round category winners and
> > the top ten overall will then make it to the final. In the final round,
> > when a limited number of images are left, you must decide on the one
> image
> > that you want to become the Picture of the Year.
> >
> > To see the candidate images just go to the POTY 2017 page on Wikimedia
> > Commons:  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_
> > Year/2017
> >
> > Round 1 will end 24 June 2018, 23:59:59 [UTC].
> >
> > Thanks,
> > POTY 2017 committee
> >
> > Note: Users must vote with an account meeting following requirements:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Albania

2018-05-23 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Kirill,

what's the difference/relationship between this group and the Wikimedians
of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a
simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios by
reconising even more user groups from the same area?

Best,
Philip

On 22 May 2018 at 22:07, Kirill Lokshin  wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Albania [2] as a Wikimedia User Group.
> The group aims to improve content about Albania across the Wikimedia
> projects, including Commons and Wikidata, and to collaborate with other
> Wikimedia user groups, chapters, and other free culture groups in Albania
> and across the region.
>
> Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
>
> Regards,
> Kirill Lokshin
> Chair, Affiliations Committee
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
> Resolutions/Recognition_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru

2018-03-20 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hi Kirill!

It would be really helpful to outline these kind of decisions with
arguments/deliberations that AffCom decided to follow, considering that
this sets a precedence in the worldwide community. For example, UG Wales
states that they "cooperate with and represent Wikimedia UK in Wales" -
does this mean that we are now accepting UGs within chapters? Is this UG
supposed to be able to apply for grants, despite its overlap with WMUK?

Best,
Philip



On 11 March 2018 at 15:44, Shlomi Fish  wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:32:34 -0400
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> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru (Wikimedia Community User Group
> > Wales) [1] as a Wikimedia User Group. The group aims to promote the
> > Wikimedia movement in Wales and support the development of Wikimedia
> > projects and content in the Welsh language.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
>
> congratulations!
>
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Wales
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