Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-11 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:08 AM effe iets anders 
wrote:

> I would love us to be more gentle, but at the same time it is also
> important to recognize diversity in character, expression and opinion.


Well, precisely?  :)

"To recognize diversity in character, expression and opinion" is crucial.
Recognizing privilege is just as important.

There is abundant evidence about strong and disrespectful language driving
away those who actually would contribute diversity in a conversation. For
one (usually privileged) participant that goes through moderation after
ignoring warnings, how many (usually less or no privileged) disengage and
leave silently to avoid or boycott disrespectful behavior? That is where
the big loss in diversity lies.

One good reason to really care about high standards of respect and civility
is precisely to increase the diversity of our movement. Most of our "open"
discussion channels are not open at all. Full participation in these
channels is in practice quite exclusive. Those who thrive are privileged
persons who can handle an aggressive communication style or even enjoy it.
Wikimedia-l is no exception, and the UCoC thread is a typical example.

More and more contributors are taking action to change this trend, and this
is one of the best things happening right now in our movement.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:31 AM Benjamin Ikuta 
wrote:

>
>
> Please, enlighten me.
>

Here is an alternative suggestion. Check the UCoC draft and see whether you
see room for improvement or disagree with anything specific in it. This is
a productive way to compare your personal understanding of civility against
the understanding of civility the UCoC offers for the entire movement. If
you have ideas to improve the draft, share them, if possible on the Meta
page where the main discussion is happening.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review


>
>
>
> On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
> > Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta
> > :
> >>
> >> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I
> have a deeply flawed understanding of civility?
> >
> > Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might
> > theoretically be the case, at least partially?
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> > > > > What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?
>
> Although you quoted it, you seem to have overlooked this question.


I aimed to address this question with this answer:

> When we announced Next steps for Wikimedia Space [1] we said that the
Space blog
> would continue in a new home, and this is exactly what we have done.
(...)
> [1] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/3184

This is when we informed about this plan (February 18), also on this list.
The feedback we received was about the Wikimedia Space announcement in
general and there was some discussion about the Discuss part, but nothing
in a way or another about the blog. We didn't consult any further, and we
focused on proceeding with the migration.

Offering the previous blog archives as part of the new blog is logical. The
Space Blog aimed to be a continuation of the Wikimedia Blog, but it was a
prototype. Diff aims to be a continuation of the Wikimedia Blog and the
Space blog, and it is a project officially supported, in production
servers. Hence the consolidation of community news archives.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Diff – a blog by and for the Wikimedia volunteer community

2020-07-16 Thread Quim Gil
e/
> > >
> > > an independently-archived copy may be found at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/
> > >
> > > This has now been republished at:
> > >
> > >https://diff.wikimedia.org/2017/11/29/astronaut-spoken-voice/
> > >
> > > to which the original URL has now been redirected.
> > >
> > >
> > > The new version of the article has  footer, saying:
> > >
> > >Archive notice: This is an archived post from blog.wikimedia.org,
> and
> > >as such was written under a different editorial standard than Diff.
> > >
> > > I am concerned that this unexplained comment may not reflect well on
> > > me, as the named author.
> > >
> > >
> > > The new version of my author profile page:
> > >
> > >https://diff.wikimedia.org/author/cap-andy-mabbet/
> > >
> > > is missing the thumbnail image for the blog post; compare with the
> > > archived version:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://web.archive.org/web/20191218122440/https://blog.wikimedia.org/author/andy-mabbet/
> > >
> > > (the spelling error in the URL has carried over from the original).
> > >
> > > > The channel
> > > > is primarily intended for community-authored posts, in which
> > > > volunteers can share their stories, learnings, and ideas with each
> > > > other.
> > >
> > > I didn't write the above post simply to share the story with other
> > > volunteers; it was written - I again emphasise, at the WMF's request -
> > >  for a global audience, and presented to the press as such, as part of
> > > a joint publicity initiative with the European Space Agency.
> > >
> > > > content on Diff can be written and
> > > > translated into languages to reach a wide audience.
> > >
> > > My original post - as can be seen from the banner in the version at
> > > the Internet Archive - was kindly translated into Italian (apt, as the
> > > subject was an Italian Astronaut) and French. The banner containing
> > > the links to those translations is missing from the "Diff" copy.
> > >
> > > The original URLs of the italian and French versions:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre
> > >
> > > now redirect, respectively, to:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/it/2017/11/29/wikipedia-lascia-il-pianeta-terra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://diff.wikimedia.org/fr/2017/12/01/wikipedia-quitte-la-planete-terre
> > >
> > > each of which are returning a 404 error.
> > >
> > > Several links to the original Italian URL, from the Italian-language
> > > Wikipedia, including those in encyclopedia articles, and two links to
> > > the original French URL on the French-language Wikipedia, are now
> > > broken. Obviously this also applies to any external sites that link to
> > > them, too.
> > >
> > > > Still curious to learn more?
> > >
> > > Yes: What consultation was carried out with contributors, and the
> > > wider the Wikimedia community, to inform this change?
> > >
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> > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-06-25 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Tito,

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:01 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:

> Greetings,
> There was a continuous practice of citing/overciting the FAQ page,
> sometimes without answering the questions directly. This happened more on
> the other mailing lists (For example:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2020-April/014589.html
> )
>
> Now, the /FAQ page, which was being continuously referred to, has a
> "neutrality of this page is disputed" tag
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/FAQ=20200949
> .
> It earlier had an essay tag. I have read its talk page.
>
> Until things are settled, which page is recommended (if there is any)?
>
> (Not to anyone in specific, a question/thought in general)
>

As the person who published that notice...

I think the FAQ is an ok place to find answers to questions. The Neutrality
notice was a short term solution to improve previous versions of notices
placed there. If anyone wonders about why these notices, you can find
several related discussions in the Talk page, and the edit history is also
quite telling. That page has been a tense corner for months.

Beyond the specific scope of the Brand project, a point of contention has
been and continues to be more Meta: whether a project team (of any kind,
not just a Foundation team) can explain a project in their terms (including
FAQs) or anyone can edit any page in Meta (including modifying, deleting or
reverting answers from the project team in the project FAQ). The topic is
more nuanced and complex than this, I bet all parties are quite frustrated
by now, and this is probably a good meta conversation to have in Meta at
some point, detached from specific projects and heated discussions.

Back to this FAQ, this week the team has prepared updates to that page.
Tito, you asking here is an extra motivation to proceed.  :)  If anyone
wants to help, watching the page and providing alternative views if new
discussions arise is a good way to contribute to the improvement of the FAQ
and hopefully the removal of that notice soon.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Quim Gil
Thank you for all the feedback. After scanning different channels, we have
a wide range of opinions which reflect how deep and complex the problem of
cross-wiki collaboration is, and also how differently the Space prototype
and this decision is being perceived. We will process this feedback and
integrate it in the lessons learned. If you have more feedback or
questions, please share. This conversation is important.

The channels we are watching:

* https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/3184
*
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space#Next_steps_on_Wikimedia_Space
*
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2020-February/094269.html
and replies
*
https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/2699004306814050/

If you are aware of more conversations related to this announcement, please
share them here as well.

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 11:30 AM Quim Gil  wrote:

> Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
> with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
> has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
> a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
> we may share them with the movement.
>
> To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
>
> We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
> us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
> category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Quim Gil
Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
we may share them with the movement.

To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/

We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
[2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
[3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, thank you for your feedback about Wikimedia Space.

So far, there have been many comments focusing on _who_ has released _what_
and _how_. Let me tell you _why_ we are proposing Wikimedia Space. People
agreeing on _why_ can agree on the rest way easier.

Wikimedia Space is all about Wikimedia growth. If you are supporting
newcomers or you are contributing to the growth of the Wikimedia movement
in other ways, we are very interested in your opinions, your suggestions,
your needs. And we are especially interested in hearing from you if you are
a promoter of movement diversity and/or part of any kind of group
underrepresented in Wikimedia.

Why Wikimedia Space, in more detail:

From the Wikimedia movement strategic direction -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20

* Knowledge equity


From the Wikimedia Foundation medium-term plan -
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019

* Grow participation globally, focusing on emerging markets
* Thriving movement
* Support to newcomers
* Strong, diverse, and innovative communities that represent the World
* Strong and empowered movement leaders and affiliates
* Safe, secure spaces and equitable, efficient processes for all
participants

I hope this explains our _why_. About some of the points mentioned...

Wikimedia Space is a proposal to the movement in the form of a prototype
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-do-mean-here-by-prototype/188/4.
We believe it will generate interest, feedback, criticism and contributions
in a number of ways that a text-only proposal in (say) Meta Wiki wouldn't
achieve.

For instance, while we discuss here in a black & white and text-only
environment, more than 60 colorful users have signed up already and
Wikimedia Space and are getting their own impressions about it.
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u .

Or for instance, several event organizers just signed up and added their
event to the Wikimedia Space map, which, if you ask me, after just one day
already looks fresh, beautiful and interesting:
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/map

We are happy to discuss possibilities for connection / integration /
migration between Wikimedia Space and existing community channels. As a
matter of fact, wikimedia-l could potentially benefit from the features
offered by Wikimedia Space (a conversation started in this list by
volunteers years ago):
https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/integrating-mailing-lists-to-wikimedia-space/136

Wikimedia Space doesn't prevent improvements in Meta or other places. If
anything, we believe it will become an incentive for improvements in all
community channels willing to keep up. In our opinion, potential
improvements in Meta shouldn't prevent the release of Wikimedia Space. What
you see today is the result of about three weeks of part time work by four
people. Now consider how much time would it take to discuss, agree,
resource and implement an equivalent feature set in MediaWiki, and (just as
important) equivalent social expectations and norms in the Meta community.

We are just starting to promote Wikimedia Space. Yesterday we did an
initial announcement to get a first wave of users, see how the prototype
would take hold, and gauge the initial response. We plan to continue
promoting Wikimedia Space in more channels. In fact, you can help. If there
is a channel missing, please point to its URL, or (even better) feel free
to forward the announcement yourself.

If you have found an actionable problem, we welcome bug reports and feature
requests: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/space/

We encourage you to give Wikimedia Space a try. Even if today someone
remains unconvinced, signing up won't hurt them. Then give it a week, and
let us know. We really mean it! Prototypes always contribute to better
discussions.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-08-14 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Sylvain!

(Let me add the disclaimer that opinions are mine and don't represent the
views of the Foundation.)

On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:33 PM Sylvain Boissel <
sylvain.bois...@wikimedia.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> It may have changed since I last checked (a bit more than a year ago), but
> while it is easy to create an instance, migrating an account to another
> instance, or moving an entire instance to a new domain is not (I couldn't
> even find documentation on how to accomplish this. So if we start an
> instance that is supposed to become an official one, we need at the very
> least have the final domain name from the start. Depending on the one we
> want, we still might need official support (e.g., anyone can register
> wikimedians.social, but wikimedia.social is restricted to the WMF by a DPML
> Block.)
>

This is a good point. Renaming Mastodon instances continues to be a pain --
see https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/domain-changes-and-aliases/671

This is a good reason to bet on a domain for the long run. However, let's
not mix two different concepts: use of Wikimedia trademarks and official
technical support (servers, maintenance). If the promoters of this
initiative decide to propose a domain that use a Wikimedia trademark, they
can request an authorization via
https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.

> * Legal: Aiming for an official Wikimedia instance has implications of
> > trademarks, legal requirements, and so on. While there is no need to
> start
> > with an official instance, it is useful to consider the scenario early
> on.
> >
> Do you know what these requirements are? Are some issues unsolvable (for
> example, if an official Wikimedia instance implies that no movie-based gifs
> can be posted (for copyright reasons), then this instance has basically no
> chance to gain a large user base. While this may not be a problem (a small
> instance with a small number of accounts posting things like
> #pictureOfTheDay to the whole Fediverse would still be valuable), this
> would change the scope of what we try to accomplish.
>

Honestly, no idea. I am just applying the basic reasoning that the
requirements and potential risks for content and user data will be more
complex for the Wikimedia Foundation maintaining a service officially than
for a group of individual volunteers doing the same independently as a
hobby.

If you have a clear idea about what you want to accomplish, I'd recommend
you to take the lightest steps that will lead you there. Iterations,
experiments and changes are expected anyway, being this idea so new and
different in the context of our movement. It is also an idea easy to
implement and maintain (through a service like e.g. https://masto.host or
self-hosted). And economically affordable.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-08-10 Thread Quim Gil
Mathieu, thank you for your research and for connecting so many dots.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 6:40 AM mathieu lovato stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:

> Although Mastodon doesn't seem to be what I was looking for at start, I do
> think it would be great to launch a Wikimedia instance and completely in
> phase with the aim of becoming an essential infrastructure of the ecosystem
> of free knowledge. So let me know if I can help in any way on this regard.
> :)
>
In my professional role, I think it is worth considering the idea of
approaching Wikimedia to the Fediverse as part of

> Knowledge as a service: To serve our users, we will become a platform
that serves open knowledge to the world across interfaces and communities.
> We will build tools for allies and partners to organize and exchange free
knowledge beyond Wikimedia.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction

In fact, I have started some very casual conversations about these ideas
(equivalent to chats by the coffee machine, except that I'm remote and I
don't drink coffee), partially motivated by this thread.

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T198363 is a good umbrella task. If
someone wants to develop the idea of creating a Wikimedia instance in the
Fediverse (official or not), then that would deserve its own discussion.
Where to start this discussion? IdeaLab? Maybe it doesn't matter as long as
we have one place well advertised.

There are at least three aspects to consider:

* Technical: Creating i.e. a Mastodon instance somewhere is technically
simple, running that instance in Wikimedia production servers is another
story. While there is no need to start with a service in production, it is
useful to consider the scenario early on.

* Legal: Aiming for an official Wikimedia instance has implications of
trademarks, legal requirements, and so on. While there is no need to start
with an official instance, it is useful to consider the scenario early on.

* Social: While creating an instance would be simple, having a critical
mass of Wikimedians aware of it and using it regularly is not. There is no
lack of brilliant ideas that failed because the people didn't follow. And
here you would be fighting against resistance to change e.g. from those
believing that Wikimedians should focus on wikis only, from Wikimedians
well invested in corporate social networks (Facebook, Twitter, etc) and of
course with everyone being "too busy to join another channel". Whoever
drives this initiative must be ready to work hard explaining, promoting,
supporting...

Bottom line: this would be an initiative relatively simple to start, that
has a clear risk of complications coming if it succeeds. Considering that
the likely scenario for any new experiment is that it will close in less
than a year, I think those complications caused by success is a problem the
promoters of this initiative would want to have.

PS: In my personal time I am a Fediverse enthusiast and a Mastodon instance
admin, and for this reason I am being cautious about bias / being too
passionate.  :)

>
> Cheers.
>
>
> [1]
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-April/089977.html
>
> Le 11/04/2018 à 11:17, Quim Gil a écrit :
>
> (These are personal opinions based on my own personal interest in free and
> volunteer-driven social networks, not an opinion as a WMF member.)
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Leinonen Teemu  
> 
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not
> abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting
> anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora*
> Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a
> microblogging service rather than a social network service.
>
>
> Can it be that the difference between "microblogging service" and "social
> network" might be too subtle and subjective to be noticed by the majority
> of their users? And for the problem you are presenting here?
>
>
> Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network
>
> service?
>
>
> Depends on what you mean by "build". If you mean create the software for a
> new social network service, I don't think it makes sense. Providing support
> and development of multilingual wiki 
> projects<https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects> 
> <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects> to collect and develop
> educational content to empower and engage people around the world is
> already a daunting task in terms of software development, and there is so
> much to do.
>
> If you mean to run the software developed by someone else, sure, why not
> experimenting. Thanks to free software l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-11 Thread Quim Gil
(These are personal opinions based on my own personal interest in free and
volunteer-driven social networks, not an opinion as a WMF member.)

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Leinonen Teemu <teemu.leino...@aalto.fi>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been looking for social networking service that would be fair: not
> abusing personal data, funded by community, respecting privacy, accepting
> anonymity, free/libre/ open source etc. Haven’t found many. The Diaspora*
> Project[1] is not moving forward very fast and the Mastodon[2] is more a
> microblogging service rather than a social network service.
>

Can it be that the difference between "microblogging service" and "social
network" might be too subtle and subjective to be noticed by the majority
of their users? And for the problem you are presenting here?


Would it make sense for Wikimedia movement to build its own social network
> service?
>

Depends on what you mean by "build". If you mean create the software for a
new social network service, I don't think it makes sense. Providing support
and development of multilingual wiki projects
<https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects> to collect and develop
educational content to empower and engage people around the world is
already a daunting task in terms of software development, and there is so
much to do.

If you mean to run the software developed by someone else, sure, why not
experimenting. Thanks to free software licenses anyone can try, and thanks
to Wikimedia trademarks licenses I am sure a decent solution could be found
by whoever wants to run this experiment.


In the "2017 Movement strategy” we state: “By 2030, Wikimedia will become
> the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge”. If we
> consider discussions and information shared on social network services to
> be “knowledge”, I think we should have a role in here too.
>

With some caveats and observations, I agree on the principle, just not on
the implication that this means we need to create a free social network for
us from scratch, starting with a first line of code. If we consider social
networks useful, and free social networks the right and consistent thing to
use in an ecosystem of free knowledge, then the first step can be as simple
as opening a Mastodon instance. Dozens (hundreds) of volunteers (including
amateur sysadmins) are doing just that without much discussion, just
scratching their own itch, or for fun, or to learn, or to experiment...


We have 33 million registered users and fulfil all the requirements of
> being a “fair service”. A minimum list of features to make Wikimedia Social
> would be:
>
> (1) Status updates
> (2) Comments
> (3) Likes
>

This is provided by Mastodon, GNUSocial, etc today. They look like minimum
features for a social network indeed.


> (4)Groups
>

Mmm can you specify your use cases here? There is a chance, that the need
for "groups" actually belongs to different use cases, and we don't need one
"social network" tool to resolve everything.

One use case could be instant communication. We have seen Wikimedia groups
in Telegram flourishing around events and perhaps more. Again, someone
scratched their itches, they just did it, others followed.

Another use case could be more structured and specialized communication,
which puts us closer to mailing lists, forums, and our very own Talk pages.
For what is worth, some of us are experimenting around this use case with
Discourse. Again, scratching own itches and experimenting. More at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T180853


> maybe:
> (5) Events
>

Well, this is quite a beast on its own, and I believe not a simple one. A
few days ago I unassigned https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T1035 to myself
because I could not find enough time & focus to push this problem in some
productive direction.



> I am pretty sure that by integrating this to other Wikimedia services
> (Commons etc.) we could achieve something awesome.
>

I agree that there is potential in this area, but I would look more at
using and supporting tools developed by others on their own mission, and
then think of single-sign-ons and APIs to bridge.



>
> - Teemu
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software)
>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wmfall] New Developers Quarterly Report's first edition

2017-10-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

I am very happy to see that the New Developers Quarterly report is raising
some interest. Yes, there are important problems of sustainability in our
developer community that deserve attention.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Suggestion, throw away the current plan and rather than using findings
> to create incremental improvement,[1] try something completely
> different before all the wheels fall off. I look forward to seeing
> some serious radical initiatives.
>

The good news is that we have done this already.  :)

The retention numbers for this quarter correspond to the newcomers who
landed between ~April-September 2016. We can expect there developers
attracted by our hackathons in Jerusalem and Esino Lario, and the
corresponding Google Summer of Code and Outreachy rounds. It was by that
time when the Technical Collaboration team at the Wikimedia Foundation (who
co-organizes these activities with mentors and affiliates) was digging
beyond our apparent success, deeper into the problem of developer
retention. Then we started to think that we should focus on new developers,
even if that meant less focus for our more experienced technical
contributors.

Since then, we have radically changed our plans and we are experimenting in
various ways. You can find a comprehensive explanation in a blog post
published last week: How Technical Collaboration is bringing new developers
into the Wikimedia movement
<https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/10/05/technical-collaboration-new-developers/>

Since we are discussing about new developers, let me also recommend you
another blog published just yesterday: Towards building an African
Wikimedia Developer Community
<https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/10/19/african-wikimedia-developer-community/>
.

Wikimedia volunteers and affiliates, we welcome your ideas and involvement!
When our developer community grows, everybody benefits.

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[Wikimedia-l] New newsletter: Tech Showcase

2017-10-13 Thread Quim Gil
Tech curious? This is for you:

Tech Showcase <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newsletter:Tech_Showcase>

A newsletter (*) about fresh software for Wikimedia caught on the spot.
Plans, prototypes, releases... Do you have a scoop? Tell us in the Talk
page!

Just click "Subscribe" and you will be notified in your preferred Wikimedia
wiki.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Newsletter:Tech_Showcase

(*) This is a newsletter powered by the Newsletter extension
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Newsletter>. Expect one
sentence notifications linking to the tech showcased, not lengthy articles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WFM 91.7 FM becomes our broadcasting partner in Nigeria

2017-06-12 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, shola ishola <olaniyansh...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>
> Dear wikipedians,
>
> We are delighted to announce that we have reached agreement with the above
> named prestigious broadcasting station to partner with us in reaching
> further audience in Nigeria.
>
> The agreement will assist us in reaching wider audience and also
> actualizing some of our core projects in alignment with the pinnacle of
> their establishment, which is to promote women in Nigeria.
>
> I will keep you inform as things unfold.
> Best RegardsOlushola
> Welcome to WFM 91.7 - NIGERIA'S FIRST RADIO STATION FOR WOMEN AND THEIR
> FAMILIES
>
> |
> |   |
> Welcome to WFM 91.7 - NIGERIA'S FIRST RADIO STATION FOR WOMEN AND THEIR
> FAMILIES
>  Keeping listeners company throughout the day with quality, relevant,
> informative and entertaining programmes tha...  |  |
>

This very interesting announcement was kind of cut. Turns out WFM 91.7 has
an informative article in English Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WFM_91.7

Thank you Shola and other contributors of Nigeria for this fresh
initiative! Please report about your progress.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Code of Conduct Committee for Wikimedia technical spaces constituted!

2017-05-20 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, as promised, here is the last update about the constitution of the Code
of Conduct Committee for Wikimedia technical spaces, happening today.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org>
Date: Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:35 AM
Subject: Code of Conduct Committee for Wikimedia technical spaces
constituted!
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>, MediaWiki
announcements and site admin list <mediawik...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
Development and Operations Engineers <engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
Wikimedia Labs <lab...@lists.wikimedia.org>, "A mailing list for the
Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and
analytics." <analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org>, Research into Wikimedia
content and communities <wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org>, "A list for
the design team." <des...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
pywiki...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello everybody,

The Code of Conduct Committee
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee_members>
bootstrapping
process has been completed. Some intermediate updates were posted in
phab:T159923 <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159923>. Starting today,
the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces is enforced by the new
Committe formed by Amir Sarabadani (Ladsgroup
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Ladsgroup>), Lucie-Aimée Kaffee (
Frimelle <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Frimelle>), Nuria Ruiz (
Nurieta <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Nurieta>), Sébastien Santoro (
Dereckson <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Dereckson>), and Tony Thomas
(01tonythomas <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:01tonythomas>).
Congratulations to them, to the additional five auxiliary members
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee_members#Auxiliary>
 (Απεργός, Léna, Florianschmidtwelzow, Huji, Matanya), and to everybody
else who contributed to this process!

Source: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct#
Process_completed.2C_CoC_Commitee_constituted

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presentation Code of Conduct Committee candidates and community review

2017-04-24 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

The community review period for the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical
spaces Committee candidates is over, and we haven't received any feedback
challenging the candidates proposed. Therefore, all they are confirmed now.
Congratulations!

Committee members:

   -

   Amir Sarabadani (Ladsgroup)
   -

   Lucie-Aimée Kaffee (Frimelle)
   -

   Nuria Ruiz (NRuiz-WMF)
   -

   Sébastien Santoro (Dereckson)
   -

   Tony Thomas (01tonythomas)


Auxiliary members:

   -

   Ariel Glenn (ArielGlenn)
   -

   Caroline Becker (Léna)
   -

   Florian Schmidt (Florianschmidtwelzow)
   -

   Huji
   -

   Matanya


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee_members has been
updated accordingly.

Following the process described in the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia
technical spaces <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct>, the new
Committee will be constituted six weeks after the nomination of candidates,
on 20 May.

Between now and then the new members will go through some training and
paperwork. You can follow the details at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159923.

I expect to send the next and last update about this bootstrapping process
when the Committee is constituted.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Presentation Code of Conduct Committee candidates and community review

2017-04-07 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

For your information, as promised. The next logical update here will be the
confirmation of the candidates to form the first Code of Conduct Committee
for Wikimedia technical spaces, and their auxiliary members.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org>
Date: Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 12:44 AM
Subject: Presentation Code of Conduct Committee candidates and community
review
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>, MediaWiki
announcements and site admin list <mediawik...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
Development and Operations Engineers <engineer...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
Wikimedia Labs <lab...@lists.wikimedia.org>, "A mailing list for the
Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and
analytics." <analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org>, Research into Wikimedia
content and communities <wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org>, "A list for
the design team." <des...@lists.wikimedia.org>,
pywiki...@lists.wikimedia.org


Following the process described in the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia
technical spaces <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct>, the
Wikimedia Foundation’s Technical Collaboration team has selected five
candidates to form the first Code of Conduct Committee and five candidates
to become auxiliary members.

Here you have their names in alphabetical order. For details about each
candidate, please check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/
Committee_members

Committee member candidates:

   -

   Amir Sarabadani (Ladsgroup)
   -

   Lucie-Aimée Kaffee (Frimelle)
   -

   Nuria Ruiz (NRuiz-WMF)
   -

   Sébastien Santoro (Dereckson)
   -

   Tony Thomas (01tonythomas)


Auxiliary member candidates:

   -

   Ariel Glenn (ArielGlenn)
   -

   Caroline Becker (Léna)
   -

   Florian Schmidt (Florianschmidtwelzow)
   -

   Huji
   -

   Matanya


This list of candidates is subject to a community review period of two
weeks starting today. If no major objections are presented about any
candidate, they will be appointed in six weeks.

You can provide feedback on these candidates, via private email to
techconductcandida...@wikimedia.org. This feedback will be received by
the Community
Health
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration/Community_health>
group handling this process, and will be treated with confidentiality.

We want to thank all the people who has considered the possibility to
support the Code of Conduct with their participation in this Committee. 77
persons have been contacted during the selection process, counting
self-nominations and recommendations. From these, 21 made it to a short
list of candidates confirmed and (according to our estimation) a potential
good fit for the Committee. Selecting the five candidates for the Committee
has been hard, as we have tried to form a diverse group that could work
together effectively in the consolidation of the Code of Conduct. Selecting
the five auxiliary members has been even harder, and we know that we have
left out candidates who could have contributed just as much. Being the
first people assuming these roles, we have tended a bit towards more
technical profiles with good knowledge of our technical spaces. We believe
that future renewals will offer better chances to other profiles (not so
technical and/or not so Wikimedia veteran), adding a higher diversity and
variety of perspectives to the mix.


On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Dear Wikimedia technical community members,
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
>
> The review of the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces has been
> completed and now it is time to bootstrap its first committee. The
> Technical Collaboration team is looking for five candidates to form the
> Committee plus five additional auxiliary members. One of them could be you
> or someone you know!
>
> You can propose yourself as a candidate and you can recommend others
> *privately* at
> techconductcandidates AT wikimedia DOT org
>
> We want to form a very diverse list of candidates reflecting the variety
> of people, activities, and spaces in the Wikimedia technical community. We
> are also open to other candidates with experience in the field. Diversity
> in the Committee is also a way to promote fairness and independence in
> their decisions. This means that no matter who you are, where you come
> from, what you work on, or for how long, you are a potential good member of
> this Committee.
>
> The main requirements to join the Committee are a will to foster an open
> and welcoming community and a commitment to making participation in
> Wikimedia technical projects a respectful and harassment-free experience
> for everyone. The committee will handle reports of unacceptable behavior,
> will analyze the cases,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Amical Wikimedia 2017 Brand New Board

2017-03-17 Thread Quim Gil
Hola!

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Àlex Hinojo <alexhin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> After two weeks of open elections, I'm glad to announce you the brand *new
> board of Amical Wikimedia*, with 8 members, of which 5 are new.
>
>
>- Laia Benito Pericas - Chair
>- Lluís Madurell Alemany - Secretary
>- Xavier Dengra Grau - Treasurer
>- Josep Nogué -  Member (former treasurer)
>- Carles Paredes  -  Member (former secretary)
>- David Parreño Mont - Member
>- Esther Bonet Solé  - Member
>- Pau Colominas -   Member
>

Congratulations! The former board was a dream team and after renewing 5 of
8 seats (and changing the roles of the previous board members...) the new
board is... another dream team!

Other interesting points:

* Most of these members are very active editors (VERY).
* Some of them joined not that long ago (I mean, a few years).
* Some of them... learned to write not that long ago  ;) (I mean, I'd be
curious to know the median age of this board) and they can be considered
"native Wikipedians".
* All of them have been regularly involved in editathons, workshops, GLAM,
Wiki Loves contests, social media and comms... as much as featured
articles, fighting vandalism, cleaning tasks, connecting with Wikidata,
administering Wikisource, Wikibooks...

Arnau Duran, our former president, was not running for a new term, and both
> the board and the community are grateful for his service these years.
>

Arnau would deserve a paid retirement, but Wikimedia is not there yet.  ;)

PS: as a not very active member of Amical I am probably biased, but a) I
didn't participate in the election and b) many people ask me about the
factors of success of Amical, and imho there you have the tip of the
iceberg.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-09 Thread Quim Gil
As a complement to my update yesterday, the call for candidates to form the
first Code of Conduct Committee has been sent to wikitech-l, mediawiki-l,
engineering, labs-l, analytics, wiki-research-l, and design. It will be
advertised in other technical spaces in the next hours. You can read it
i.e. at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2017-March/087731.html

The next logical update here will be the presentation of a list of
candidates to be reviewed by the Wikimedia technical community and anyone
else willing to chime in. If you want to follow this process closely, you
can check
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct#Bootstrapping_the_Code_of_Conduct_Committee
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[Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-08 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, let me share a status update about the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia
technical spaces, especially targeted to people not familiar with this CoC
and/or Wikimedia technical spaces.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct

The CoC drafting phase was completed yesterday [0], 18 months after a
kick-off session at the Wikimania 2015 Hackathon. Since then, 142 unique
editors have contributed to the Talk page through 147 sections, 21 voting
rounds abut sections of the CoC announced through the main technical
communication channels, and a total of 2,718 edits.[1] That Talk page has
88 watchers, about 20 editors have participated regularly in discussions,
and about half of them heavily.[2] To put these numbers in context,
MediaWiki.org counts 1,420 active editors, and Phabricator 829.

The next step is to create the first Code of Conduct Committee, a process
defined in the CoC itself.[3] A subset of the Technical Collaboration team
at the Wikimedia Foundation [4] (which I am part of) is preparing an
announcement about the search of candidates, inviting everyone to volunteer
themselves or send us recommendations. We are tracking the progress of this
task in Phabricator [5] and we will communicate major updates in the CoC
Talk page and other technical venues as needed.

I hope this clarifies the current situation. If you have questions or
suggestions, please share them here or in the CoC Talk page.


[0]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct#Removing_.27draft.27_status
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct#Drafting_phase_data
[2]
http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=www.mediawiki=Talk%3ACode+of+Conduct
[3]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct/Committee#Selection_of_new_members
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration/Community_health
[5] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T159923

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMDE-update: Christian Rickerts might become Undersecretary of State

2016-12-05 Thread Quim Gil
Congratulations!

Since many people in this list might be confused about the use of "State"
and "Berlin government" in this context, (if I got it right) this role is
about the Senate of Berlin <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_of_Berlin>
(not the Bundesrat of Germany
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesrat_of_Germany>).

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Pierre-Selim <pierre-se...@huard.info>
wrote:

> This is a great opportunity.
>
> Congrats!
>
> Le 5 déc. 2016 13:13, "Michael Maggs" <mich...@maggs.name> a écrit :
>
> > What excellent news! Many congratulations to Christian.
> >
> > Michael
> > Chair, WMUK
> >
> > >>> Dear Wikimedians,
> > >>>
> > >>> On Saturday, the Green Party has resolved the coalition agreement for
> > the
> > >>> future Berlin government and nominated their future government
> > officials.
> > >>> The
> > >>> new designated Minister of economics, Ramona Pop, asked Christian to
> > >> become
> > >>> her Undersecretary of State for the new Berlin ministry of economy,
> > >> energy
> > >>> and enterprises. Now things are going to happen quite quickly: The
> > future
> > >>> senate is scheduled to be constituted on December 8th. Right after
> > that,
> > >>> Christian would take on the new responsibility.
> > >>>
> > >>> The Supervisory Board of Wikimedia Deutschland and Christian agree
> that
> > >>> this is a great opportunity that he should accept. I also see this
> as a
> > >>> huge compliment to our work at Wikimedia Deutschland.
> > >>>
> > >>> We are aware that this opportunity brings a lot of change for our
> > >>> organisation for the near future as well. Christian and I are
> currently
> > >>> working on the next steps together with our staff and community. We
> > will
> > >>> provide you with regular updates regarding the transition process.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you very much and kind regards
> > >>>
> > >>> Tim Moritz Hector
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Tim Moritz Hector
> > >>> Chair of the Board
> > >>> Wikimedia Deutschland e. V.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

2016-11-21 Thread Quim Gil
ct for Wikimedia technical spaces should provide a common
framework for all the different venues shared by the technical community,
and a mechanism to handle reports and enforce the Code (a committee open to
all affiliations).

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[Wikimedia-l] How to grow our technical community - Wikimedia Developer Summit

2016-10-18 Thread Quim Gil
How to grow our technical community? This is a main topic at the upcoming
Wikimedia Developer Summit (San Francisco, January 11-13, 2017).

There is a call for participation open until the end of this month (October
31). Your proposals for discussions related to this main topic are welcome!
There are some ideas about possible topics at

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit/2017/How_to_grow_our_technical_community

If you are interested in contributing to the discussions about How to grow
our technical community, please join us at the Summit (the deadline to
request travel sponsorship is next Monday, October 24).

PLEASE ENCOURAGE OTHER PEOPLE to submit a proposal and/or join the Summit.
This email will likely arrive to the core of the Wikimedia technical
community, but the chances to arrive to the periphery and beyond are a lot
smaller. We need your help! We want to discuss how to grow our technical
community including the perspectives of those who haven't joined us yet.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Call for participation: Wikimedia Developer Summit 2017

2016-09-30 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, the call for participation for the Wikimedia Developer Summit 2017 is
now open:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_
Summit/Call_for_participation

We welcome especially proposals related to these main topics:

* A plan for the Community Wishlist 2016 top results
* Handling wiki content beyond plaintext
* A unified vision for editorial collaboration
* Building a sustainable user experience together
* Useful, consistent, and well documented APIs
* How to manage our technical debt
* Artificial Intelligence to build and navigate content
* How to grow our technical community

If you want to propose an activity pre-scheduled in the Summit program, you
have time until Monday, October 31. There is no deadline to propose
Unconference sessions.

ABOUT

The Wikimedia Developer Summit is the annual meeting to push the evolution
of MediaWiki and other technologies supporting the Wikimedia movement. We
welcome all Wikimedia technical contributors and third party developers
using the Wikimedia APIs or MediaWiki.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Developer_Summit

(This information wants to be forwarded!)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikidata] ArticlePlaceholder now live on first 4 Wikipedias

2016-05-12 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Lydia Pintscher <
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote:

> Last year Lucie started working on the ArticlePlaceholder (
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder) in order to
> fullfill Wikidata's promise of supporting especially the smaller
> Wikipedias. Today we have rolled it out on the first 4 Wikipedias:
> Esperanto, Haitian Creole, Neapolitan and Odia.
>

This is a success story in so many ways! Congratulations Lucie, Wikidata
team, Wikimedia Deutschland.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we too rigid?

2016-02-25 Thread Quim Gil
On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaum...@wikimedia.org>
wrote:

> Putting the Business case documents on the private staff wiki was the
> first step
> in my effort to rescue the process from the walled Google Docs abyss,
> where the
> documents got lost after senior staff (who initiated the process) left the
> WMF. I
> like the framework and was hoping to make it used more widely at the
> Foundation over time.
>

I also like that framework. At least for software projects, it could be
plugged in the Product development process, see
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process#Plan &
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T125809

Also related with this and other discussions held these days in this list:

Proposal: any WMF software project willing to be prioritized requires a
concept publicly available
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T118231

and its counterpart

Define good practices to start working on project concepts privately
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T123611

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How WMF contracts are won

2016-02-15 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, today it's a holiday for US-based WMF employees, so let me add the
information already public while a more complete reply arrives:

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Jaime Villagomez, I have a question about a small example of
> procurement governance that I hope you can help with as the WMF CFO,
>
> QUESTION
> Can you please publish the specification of work used to support
> contract review by WMF Finance and WMF Legal for the work placed with
> Valerie Aurora and Ashe Snyder, and confirm how many other suppliers
> were given the opportunity to bid for the work?
>
> Though it is healthy that the WMF support their management team to
> make local decisions on resourcing, I am concerned that an informal
> and undocumented way of potentially selecting friends or old
> colleagues as suppliers has become a tacitly accepted default for
> placing WMF project contracts, rather than ensuring open bid processes
> with independently verifiable good governance. This appears to
> contradict the WMF Finance commitment to "core values of transparency
> and accountability".
>
> BACKGROUND
> During discussion of the proposed Code of Conduct for Wikimedia
> Technical spaces[1], it was stated that Valerie Aurora and Ashe Snyder
>

Ashe Dryden (the mistake is originally mine)


> had been given contracts for "expert advice". I asked to see the
> invitation to tender.


I replied at
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACode_of_Conduct%2FDraft=revision=2037073=2037016
-- text pasted here for convenience:

The two contracts have small budgets covering an amount of hours of
consulting. They were organized by me as part of my responsibility as
Engineering Community Manager, checking with the Code of Conduct promoters
and the Wikimedia Developer Summit organizers (Valerie helped us
co-organizing this event as well). I followed the normal WMF procedures for
contracting vendor services, going through WMF Finance and Legal review as
well as approval by my manager. Both consultants are recognized experts in
their field and are fit for the tasks requested.

The rest of the discussion can be found at
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACode_of_Conduct%2FDraft=revision=2036963=2032329

See also

* https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90908#1859995 + following comments,
and my summary for the Developer Relations quarterly review
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T90908#1927563


> The question has since been hidden from view,
> without a confirmation that a specification for the work was written
> before the contracts were offered, nor has any statement been made
> about how much money will be paid for the (unspecified) review work.
> As far as I can tell, no expert advice by Aurora or Snyder has yet
> been made public, even though the Code of Conduct was intended to be
> created using open community processes. Quim Gil wrote "Feel free to
> continue via email or elsewhere", so I am posing the question as an
> open letter by email, asking again on-wiki appears now impossible.
>
> The WMF policy for procurement states that "Purchases that involve
> contracts need to go through contract review", and Quim Gil has
> confirmed that "I followed the normal WMF procedures for contracting
> vendor services, going through WMF Finance and Legal review as well as
> approval by my manager". Without a specification for the work, a
> meaningful contract review is impossible.
>
> It should be a mandatory requirement in professional procurement
> policies for all contracts to have a signed off statement of work,
> before contract are agreed, and only in exceptional pre-defined
> circumstances (such as contract extensions or applying formal
> preferred supplier lists) should the management team be allowed to
> place contracts with people they may happen to know, without an
> opportunity for anyone else to fairly bid for the work.
>
> I have asked for the specification of work to be published, ideally
> the budget should be published so there is better awareness of how
> much is normal for "expert advice". As the advice must be published to
> be useful, as the Code of Conduct is a public consultation, there can
> be no reason of privacy or confidentiality that applies.
>
> Links
> 1. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_Conduct/Draft
>
> P.S. as Jaime Villagomez, WMF Chief Financial Officer has no published
> email address that I can track down, I have copied this email to Lila,
> CEO.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Engagement reorg - the official announcement

2016-02-12 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:15 AM, Maggie Dennis <mden...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> As some of you know, Community Engagement had a small realignment last
> quarter.





> Now that it’s further along, we thought it was a good time to
> formally share. :)
>

...


>Technical Collaboration (grouping Community Liaisons and Developer
>    Relations), under Quim Gil, tasked with improving collaboration between
>software development teams, Wikimedia contributors, readers, and
> volunteer
>developers.


We welcome your feedback and participation in our projects and plans:

*  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration
* Quarterly goals:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration/Goals
* Annual Plan: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124420
* Strategy: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Technical_Collaboration/Strategy

In the day to day your points of contact keep being Community Liaisons
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to disseminate free knowledge? Was: Profile of Magnus Manske

2016-01-22 Thread Quim Gil
First of all, I also think that we cannot expect us to fulfill our mission
by having all the world visiting our sites. A good percentage of that
mission probably needs to be fulfilled elsewhere thanks to our free
licenses and APIs.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Magnus Manske <magnusman...@googlemail.com
> wrote:

> We prefer people to read Wikipedia articles on Wikipedia, because a few of
> them will turn into editors, which they cannot do on any other site
> (without forking).


Even the idea of the remote contributors needs to be better explored. Our
APIs are not only GET, they are also POST. Editing the en.wiki article
about Cologne probably must happen in en.wiki itself, but there are many
types of contributions that allow for more flexibility and, in fact, might
be a lot more successful out of our Click-the-Edit-link paradigm.

https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-game/ (oh, Magnus Manske was here as
well)  ;) might be the prehistory of this trend. Binary decisions become
useful Wikimedia contributions without the need of instructions or (in some
cases) specialized knowledge. Binary decisions and other very simple
interactions are at the core of massively successful mobile and/or social
games that many of our friends and their kids play.

Meanwhile, people are uploading all kinds of media, crowdsourced
translations sentence by sentence are not exotic anymore and, in general,
crowd efforts are becoming part of mainstream Internet. Wikipedia actually
inspired this trend, showing that even a goal as complex as an encyclopedia
could be achieved by us, the people, in our free time, with a pool of small
personal investments.

Who will make the connection between Wikimedia's pool of free knowledge and
hundreds of possible non-Wikimedia projects that could contribute more free
knowledge to Wikimedia? Certainly not us average Wikimedians busy with our
watchlists and routines, and certainly not us here discussing with
ourselves in wikimedia-l while the World keeps spinning. Hopefully the
connections will be made by hundreds of creative minds scratching their own
itches and satisfying their own curiosities. But if we don't pitch them the
idea of plugging Wikimedia to their experiments and products, who will?



PS: all these discussions are very relevant for
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2016_Strategy and I encourage you to
influence the WMF strategy by leaving there your answers and choices about
Reach, Community, and Knowledge. Going through the questionnaire took me
about 15 minutes and I found the exercise interesting.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A common product development process (was Re: Profile of Magnus Manske)

2016-01-21 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> So yes, we need to talk but the talk does not happen in one place. When you
> insist on one place, the confrontation is already in place.


The solution is not to move all the communication to Phabricator, that is
for sure. The solution cannot be to have WMF employees watching every
channel for feedback either.

There are two important aspects to consider:

1. "The talk" is useful when the relevant information reaches the
development team and influences their work.

Talks may happen in many places as long as there is a bridge connecting
them to the development team. Teams can listen a bit, with the help of
Community Liaisons (WMF) they can hear a bit more, but that support is also
limited. Volunteer Tech Ambassadors can provide more bridges to more
conversation, but we (all of us) still need to consolidate and promote this
key role.


2. The medium is the message

"The talk" is useful as long as it helps getting things done. Mailing lists
and wiki discussion pages are designed to discuss. Project management tools
are designed to get things done. No matter how smart and constructive the
talk is (like in this thread), all those moments will be lost in time, like
tears...in...rain.
However, when the relevant bits are converted into Phabricator tasks
populating workboards and blocking goals... forgetting is still possible
but more complicated.

This is why thanks to you Gerard, I finally found the motivation to create
this task:

Communication channels between communities and teams involved in the
product development process
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124288

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikisource technical issues (was Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!)

2015-12-17 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, while I know that this is not the solution to your problems, let me say
that if you want a Wikisource focus area at the Wikimedia Hackathon in
Jerusalem (31 March - 3 April), the time to decide this is now, and the
place is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119703


On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Andrea Zanni <zanni.andre...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What wikisource lacks is development to core software, not only external,
> cool tools, which are fine but in the end don't really solve problems.
>

Some of the "core software" can be developed with the help of IEGs,
developer outreach programs, and hackathons. These activities are not
reserved for "external, cool tools" only.

One step that could be useful regardless would be to reflect the most
urgent/important "core software" development needs at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikisource/board/ , in epic/task
units, associating the actual projects related to them.


I can elaborate further and bore you with details but, ina nutshell, we
> just need  commitment from people who can bring theirlines ofcode into
> production. As Wikisource is formally a Wikimedia project, and provides its
> tiny contribution to the mission and also to fundraising, I would expect a
> commitment of this sort coming from WMF.
>

I think the WMF would also like to have a clear strategy about the
developer investment required for Wikisource and other projects with
specific needs. In the next months we are going to discuss the Annual Plan
for July 2016-June 2017, and I recommend the Wikisource community to make
their voice heard in that context.

Meanwhile, the tiny and humble Developer Relations team is happy to help
you in the practical and pragmatic ways that we can help you right now.  :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes!

2015-12-17 Thread Quim Gil
On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Lane Rasberry <l...@bluerasberry.com>
wrote:

> It was fun to participate in the proposal process.


I want to stress this sentence! I believe many participants will agree.

There are many ways to create a community backlog, and none of them will be
perfect. The Community Tech team chose to have a process relatively simple
to organize and to participate in, doing some sacrifices along the way to
keep that simplicity (I know well, they knocked off several ideas I
suggested). :D

The resulting backlog is just the beginning of a new phase that could be
just as fun. 10 tasks have been selected by CT, and we need everybody's
imagination to find the best ways to solve the rest.

For instance, I'm proposing to select project candidates for hackathons
from this Wishlist (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119703) not only
because it seems a good thing to do, but also because I believe that the
people who voted for these proposals and the developers looking for
interesting hackathon projects can continue having fun together. Achieving
goals is important, but enjoying the ride together is just as important.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Update from the Wikimedia Performance Team

2015-12-08 Thread Quim Gil
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Gilles Dubuc <gil...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> We now test one page using real 3G connections (from San Francisco and
> Bangalore) and test other pages using the following physical devices:
> iPhone 6, iPad mini 2 and Moto G.

Applause!

Still in desktop, what is the current status of testing with
not-last-generation-laptops-with-SF-office-broadband? When I went to
WikiCon in Germany, one of the most prolific editors of de.wiki told
me that she was trying hard to incorporate VisualEditor and
MediaViewer to her workflows, but that her "normal" laptop with her
"normal" connection at home would simply not follow with her demands
on speed, which was the reason why she wasn't compelled to use either.
"Normal" here means regular standards for a middle age hobbyist editor
in a small city of Germany, which is probably closer to the high end
spectrum for desktop users in a global scale.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

2015-11-11 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, this is a very interesting conversation, and I hope the most
informative bits are reflected in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Design

By the way, we are discussing the use of the term "Design" in the WMF
product development process, as a stage involving not only visual/UX design
but also architecture, performance, operations... Your feedback is welcomed.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process#Design

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Srypura34nh1njr4

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
Hi pi zero,

On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:04 PM, pi zero <wn.pi.z...@gmail.com> wrote:

> it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in
> the first place, but merely because it wasn't used.


I'm sorry if my wording could suggest this interpretation. I just wanted to
provide basic information about Superprotect to the many people that have
heard about it but in fact didn't know much about its use today. This is
also why the Q included more details:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#When_has_been_Superprotect_used.3F

The main reason to act upon Superprotect now is the updated product
development process
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process> in the
drafts, which we want to discuss and agree with the communities. This new
process should make Superprotect unnecessary; removing it upfront was a
logical step.

I have added these points in the Q:

Why is Superprotect being removed?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_Superprotect_being_removed.3F

Why is the WMF doing this now?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#Why_is_the_WMF_doing_this_now.3F

I hope this clarifies that sentence.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Andy,

On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
wrote:

> Referring to "misbehaviour" in this context is extremely offensive; the
> initial use of superprotect was not a response to "misbehaviour".
>

Changed for the more precise and descriptive term "irregular edits":
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=WMF_product_development_process%2F2015-11-05=revision=1935550=1935526
.

On the "extremely offensive" part, let me explain why I typed "misbehavior"
without aiming to offend anyone. That paragraph refers to a future context
defined by the new development process. That sentence refers to a potential
situation where the process has been followed and someone blocks it using
their admin permissions. What the sentence wants to say is that, even if
someone thinks such action is misbehavior, the solution is to let the
admins handle the situation, not to use a tool controlled exclusively by
the WMF. I'm sure we agree with this principle.

I wasn't trying to judge past events. It is the job of the administrators
to judge whether an edit in a page editable only by admins is appropriate
or not.

PS: if you find room for improvement in the Q, you can comment in the
Talk page, or edit directly. Wiki business as usual.

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[Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Quim Gil
Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a
product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a
dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from
Wikimedia servers.

Without Superprotect, a symbolic point of tension is resolved. However, we
still have the underlying problem of disagreement and consequent delays at
the product deployment phase. We need to become better software partners,
work together towards better products, and ship better features faster. The
collaboration between the WMF and the communities depends on mutual trust
and constructive criticism. We need to improve Wikimedia mechanisms to
build consensus, include more voices, and resolve disputes.

There is a first draft of an updated Product Development Process [2] that
will guide the work of the WMF Engineering and Product teams.[3] It
stresses the need for community feedback throughout the process, but
particularly in the early phases of development. More feedback earlier on
will allow us to incorporate community-driven improvements and address
potential controversy while plans and software are most flexible.

We welcome the feedback of technical and non-technical contributors. Check
the Q for details.[4]

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Superprotect
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Product_Development_Process
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering
[4]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Product_Development_Process/2015-11-05#Q.26A

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Looking for a co-org-admin for Outreachy 11

2015-09-14 Thread Quim Gil
Forwarding to this list, just in case you ro someone you know is
interested. You need to be tech-curious for this volunteering role, but
developer skills are not required. Community management and project
management skills are more necessary.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org>
Date: Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 9:38 AM
Subject: Looking for a co-org-admin for Outreachy 11
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org>


Hi, we are looking for volunteers willing to get involved in the
organization of Wikimedia's participation in the upcoming round of
Outreachy, a program to involve underrepresented communities in open source
projects. https://www.gnome.org/outreachy/

Experienced org admins like Niharika Kohli, Andre Klapper and myself are
looking forward to support new volunteers in this role. We also have a
solid and reasonably well documented process in place helping the
onboarding of new org admins, mentors, and interns. This is a good chance
to grow your tech community management experience in a safe and supportive
context, dedicating about 2-4 hours per week between October and February.

About half year ago, I asked for volunteers to become co-org-admins of the
upcoming Google Summer of Code and Outreachy round. Niharika Kohli answered
back, and she has been an amazing org admin since then. I'm not
exaggerating when I say that her involvement has been one of the best
things impacting my work this year. She has learned and enjoyed a lot, and
she has been very helpful to the interns and mentors that are concluding
their projects as we speak.

Interested? Just reply to this email or comment at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T112267

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration team reprioritization

2015-09-02 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, (here goes a disclaimer about me posting this email as volunteer tech
ambassador in Catalan Wikipedia in my personal time)

While Flow might not be ready to make happy core enwiki contributors, in my
humble (and again, personal) opinion it is clearly ready to make life
easier to dozens (hundreds?) of Wikimedia projects (the smaller, probably
the merrier). The Catalan Wikipedia project has gone through several
iterations of Flow adoption, they basically want more, and they basically
will get more. Their goal is simple: Flow everywhere.

This is not an exaggeration. The communities that work actively and
directly on bringing new editors (with workshops, editathons, collaboration
with schools and other face to face interactions) know that VisualEditor is
a key tool. Once new editors have been trained with VisualEditor, there is
no way they will enjoy or even understand why they should learn
wikitext-based conventions to discuss and collaborate. Flow is the natural
VisualEditor companion, and new users don't even "love it", because for
them is just natural.

I'm happy to see that the possibility for users to opt-in to convert their
user talk pages to Flow is close to deployment. It is an interesting way to
let users show their interest and preference. I hope projects willing to
enable Flow in more places will get the tools or processes to do so. I
understand the demands of big projects with complex processes in their
discussion pages. I just hope those requirements don't become an obstacle
for the many more smaller projects that can benefit today from Flow. Time
will tell.

About Flow for third party MediaWikis (let me change my hat again, now as
admin of a small wiki in a 3rd party wiki farm), at least
https://miraheze.org/ is offering Flow to wikis requesting it. It works,
with script to archive wikitext discussion pages an all. If they have done
it, I guess other third parties can do it.

Anyway, did I say Thank You Flow Team?  :)  You rock, and you will continue
to rock.

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[Wikimedia-l] Career development support for volunteers (was Re: Changes in Engineering leadership)

2015-07-07 Thread Quim Gil
Let's continue with a clearer subject, then.  :)

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:06 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:


 1. Prioritize work on the open badges system.


There is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/916/, which has
seen recent activity thanks to Lokal_Profil
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Lokal_Profil/ (and Wikimedia Sweden?)
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T62064

Still, as much as I have pushed Open Badges in the past, I feel hard to
prioritize this work when Mozilla (their initial maintainers) just
de-prioritized the whole framework. I'm happy to be convinced, and I agree
that the idea is good.



 2. Make information about WMF contract positions more public. Currently,
 the system for hiring contractors seems to be opaque and largely at the
 discretion of the C staff. The discretion is fine, but some additional
 openness could be beneficial here, for recruiting purposes and for
 financial  programmatic transparency.


This is a topic more for Legal  HR. Since your interest is based on giving
more chances for volunteers to access to contract work, feel free creating
a Phabricator task and adding it to the #Engineering-Community backlog, so
at least is not forgotten in a mailing list archive.



 3. Develop a central hub where WMF, Wikimedia affiliates, and
 mission-aligned organizations can post links to intern, contract, and staff
 openings. WMF could do this in partnership with an organization like
 Mozilla, the Free Software Foundation, Code for America, or the Ford
 Foundation. This hub might fit well with the WMF Partnership Department's
 mission, in addition to WMF HR's recruiting mission.


I have heard this idea many times before. Creating a successful central
hub takes a lot of work. A lot. It's one of those things that should exist
somewhere already, if only as a seed, and we should support more than
create our own.



 4. Support the Volunteer Supporters Network
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Volunteer_Supporters_Network initiative
 on Meta; encourage peer support and networking opportunities among
 Wikimedia volunteers.


Sounds interesting. How? I'm not very familiar with this initiative (I
should), but could it be one of those Wikimedia efforts suffering a
non-tech/tech divide? Anyway, #Engineering-Community would welcome another
task to our backlog about connecting better our tech volunteers with that
network (and other implementable ways of supporting this initiative).



 5. Post monthly emails to appropriate Wikimedia mailing lists about intern,
 contract, and full-time openings at WMF and affiliates that may be of
 interest to members of those lists.


This is also for HR. Advertizing better our open position is important
indeed. The trick here is appropriate Wikimedia mailing lists. Where are
the good candidates ready to apply? For what is worth:
https://twitter.com/wikimediaatwork


6. Develop an active mentorship program at WMF that encourages WMF
 employees to mentor high-potential volunteers in their career development,
 ideally leading to a role at WMF or a mission-aligned organization. The
 Individual Engagement Grants Program and GSOC already do some of this with
 their grantees and interns, and the concept could be expanded to other
 programs and departments.


Yes, but mentoring well also takes a lot of effort. A lot. And even if a %
of those interns does end up working at Wikimedia, at least in the tech
area we are struggling with very low retention rates. High effort and low
retention is a risky combination. We are trying to do better (which, heh,
takes more energy), but we need to be careful and realistic. After two
years of ~20 tech interns during the (Northern Hemisphere) Summer, I was
the one proposing to be less pushy, aiming for quality, reliability, and
retention. Currently we have 10 tech interns, and I'm personally very happy
of seeing that this is a more sustainable effort.


7. Continue to expand the number of intern opportunities at WMF. WMF
 benefits from the inexpensive labor, and the interns benefit from the
 experience and the networking opportunities.


I don't have numbers, but I think every year we have more interns? The WMF
is growing as well, of course. In any case, note that there is no
inexpensive labor in our context. Finding interns, onboarding, and
mentoring them takes significant effort. Still, I think we all agree that
this is an area that can be expanded, also in Engineering.


Thoughts? We can take this discussion to Meta if it's getting to
 complicated and diverging too much from the original purpose of this
 thread.


I'm biased, but if you want results, I'd rather log and discuss every
task/goal in Phabricator.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in Engineering leadership

2015-07-03 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pinging Quim in case he can give us some demographics of Wikimedia's
 volunteer tech pool and whether he thinks it might be possible to find an
 engineering executive in that pool.


I'm not sure which demographics we should look at. While we have data about
technical contributions, they won't tell us much about the skills required
to perform well in an engineering executive role. I think that if there
would be a good candidate for a VP of Engineering in our community, they
wouldn't have been unnoticed (but I might be wrong). If anything, we could
improve our communication about open positions to reach likely targets in
our community and our readership, but I have no idea how this could be
done; it's not an easy task.

Most importantly, I think the main point of this discussion is this answer
in the FAQ:

 Our priority will continue to be filling the CTO role. Once we have
 identified a CTO we’ll revisit the role of VPE, to ensure that the new
 CTO’s perspective is taken into consideration.

Do you know a Wikimedia contributor that could become a good CTO? Is our
future CTO editing articles, writing bots or reviewing code in Gerrit,
unaware that this job hunt is happening? Ask them to apply!
http://grnh.se/30f54b

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes in Engineering leadership

2015-07-03 Thread Quim Gil
Anders, I don't think I'm underestimating the competence we have in this
community. I'm wondering which demographics we should look at in order to
detect potential candidates for engineering executives (replying to Pine's
ping). I'm also suggesting that improving the communication of our open
positions with our communities is probably the way to go because I think
potential candidates do exist, although finding a good CTO is more complex
than finding a good JavaScript developer (although, wait..)  ;)

Pine, for what is worth, in almost every Google Summer of Code / Outreachy
round we have ended up recruiting a volunteer. Several WMF teams offer
internships, some of them filled with Wikimedia volunteers. A percentage of
new hires comes from our communities (I don't have data but I do read the
announcements). I'm sure more can be done, and I'm sure implementable
solutions are welcome. But back to this thread, one thing is to help
volunteers to develop skills and experience to apply for junior positions,
and another thing is to do... what? to ease the search of potential
executives within our communities.

I don't want to argue, I just want to know what can the Engineering
Community team realistically do to connect better our technical volunteers
with our technical job openings. I'm sure HR welcomes feedback about
implementable improvements as well. They want to find best candidates
anywhere, and they know that Wikimedia itself is a good pool. But we cannot
hire the candidates that don't find us or that we cannot find... Which
brings us back to the need to formulate practical solutions.


On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Another thought: perhaps more investment could be made in providing career
 development support for our volunteers of all kinds. It's relatively common
 in the United States for organizations with lots of volunteers to put some
 investment explicitly into helping the volunteers develop skills snd
 experience that are useful for both their voluntary and paid work CVs. If
 more of that kind of investment was made by WMF, volunteering would be more
 attractive *and* WMF would benefit by having more ability to fill paid
 positions from the ranks of volunteers.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-28 Thread Quim Gil
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 It's good to see an email appeal sent to editors to translate articles,
 although a direct email appeal to generally add information to the relevant
 Wikipedia might be better (we don't just want translators, we also want new
 content!).


I'm just talking here as someone that volunteered in a first test of this
feature. In that case I was asked whether I had edited Spanish Wikipedia
(which I had) and then got a few recommendations for articles that could be
translated from English to Spanish using the Content Translator. My edits
to es.wiki are quite thematic, and the recommendations I got were very
interesting to me, as an editor and as a reader.

I guess a problem with this mailing (among others) is that the threshold
should be more restrictive, for instances filtering out editors that never
added whole sentences or paragraphs of text, avoiding the occasional
editors of wrong data, images, etc, that might not know the language itself.

About why focusing on translations (or, to be more precise, Content
Translator), I think it is a campaign that makes sense. Most registered
editors don't know about Content Translator and/or wouldn't have a clear
idea of what articles to translate. In this sense, the email (that could be
a message in Talk pages indeed) is very useful, even for someone like me
who was well aware of Content Translator and had tried in some articles.

Of course, this shouldn't stop other types of recommendations to edit away.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is Phabricator appropriate for managing non-coding projects?

2015-06-05 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:34 AM, David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Although I must say it feels a bit unconventional
 since I haven´t figured out yet how to do scheduling, process flow, and
 other standard non-coding project management tasks in Phabricator.


unconventional, standard... tsk tsk, you know better than this.  ;)

Phabricator aligns better with
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban_(development) -- see also the recent
Wikimedia Tech Talk about this topic:
https://plus.google.com/events/cg2sb5m878c8ot3nhf2uk4mii34



 When
 compared with standard tools like MS Project, on the Project Planning
 Properties realm Phabricator seems to be lacking many features;
 http://project-management.zone/system/microsoft-project,phabricator


Sure. After deprecating Bugzilla, RT, Scrumbugz, Mingle, and Trello, we
have accumulated a ton of feedback on features that are really really
missing, features that are kind of missing, and also many features that
users thought that would miss, but by now they have forgotten about. Try it
out, give yourself a week, and let us know what you miss exactly.

If you really want to dig...
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/phabricator-upstream/

I guess I will start trying and learning to see how far I can get with it.
 It doesn´t need to be complex in order to be effective.


I'll invite you to a great dinner if you miss MS Project after using
Phabricator in a real Wikimedia activity for more than a month.  :)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's cool?

2015-06-05 Thread Quim Gil
At least 33 hackathon projects were developed and showcased in 3 days, all
crowd-documented at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T96378 before the end
of the event. Unseen in Wikimedia as far as I'm aware, and we'll try again
in Wikimania

For instance, Experiment with video.js was basically a one-person-three-day
effort (but not just any person, TheDJ no less), and it was demoed with a
functional and funny sneak preview.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100106

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread)

2015-06-05 Thread Quim Gil
Thanks Pine for pushing in the direction of metrics. Any list aiming to be
operational will need to be in a better support than an email, though.

The tech community section of your list has many similarities to the list
we are working on as Engineering Community quarterly goal right now.

Ensure that most basic Community Metrics are in place and how they are
presented
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T94578

See also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_metrics

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 * Number of contributors to Phabricator
 * Average Phabricator unbreak now task wait time to closure
 * Average Phabricator high priority task wait time to closure
 * Average Phabricator task wait time to closure
 * Number of contributors to Gerrit
 * Number of patches created
 * Number of code reviewers
 * Average patch code review wait time
 * Maximum patch code review wait time


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to find the Wikimedia Commons Android App form Google Play? (Mohammed BAchounda)

2015-04-15 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Mohammed Bachounda bachou...@gmail.com
wrote:

 You can find the application at Github
 https://github.com/wikimedia/apps-android-commons


It was pulled from the stores because of lack of maintenance and resources.
More information at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Commons
and
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mobile-l/2014-September/007974.html
(plus following emails).
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A transition and a new chapter.

2015-04-14 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:10 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Every so often when we talk, you will surprise me by telling me about
 one more thing in the Wikimedia universe that you thought of or
 created or were involved in over the past many years that I didn't
 realize you had a role in. It seems the list is never-ending.


/me looks at the MediaWiki logo [1], thinking that perhaps *now* really
starts to be the time to update it...  ;)

 I’m very interested in the technical challenges of federated collaboration

See you in the Federation, then (pun intended, but below two layers of joke
I'm serious). Something tells me that it will be very difficult for you to
stop contributing to Wikimedia in innovative ways. When you joined, the
innovative way of contributing was from the inside. Chances are that
nowadays the innovative collaboration will come increasingly from the
outside, through APIs and, er, federated collaboration. Let's have a
conversation with beer, or vice versa.

But what I'm really really curious about is what Erik Möller will do when
he recovers his individual freedom, not having to act and speak on behalf
of hundred employees and 'the movement'. Ten years is a lot of time [2],
but then again not so much. Thank you, good luck, and please send a URL to
subscribe to or watch.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_logo.png
[2] http://www.infoanarchy.org/en/User:Erik (shared with tremendous respect
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Well-Tempered Clavier

2015-03-21 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Amir E. Aharoni 
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:

 The Open Well-Tempered Clavier is a project to record a complete
 performance of this work and release the music files, as well as proofread
 digital sheet music, to the public domain. It was crowd-funded through
 Kickstarter.


Another way to look at this project is: a small team pledged for $30k, got
$44k thanks to hundreds of backers, and delivered what they promised, all
this requiring (as far as I know) exactly zero resources from any Wikimedia
organization.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/opengoldberg/open-well-tempered-clavier-bah-to-bach
(tagged as #classical-music)

Crowdfunding is on the rise, and tags in this field are important because
once you fund a project about #tag you get recommendations for more #tag
projects. Maybe we could partner with Creative Commons and friends to
request Kickstarter and the other platforms to include a #freeknowledge
tag, or a similar alternative (this example could have also been
#public-domain)? Or maybe someone is already working on this?
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Hackathon travel sponsorship

2015-02-25 Thread Quim Gil
A forward for technical and tech-curious people not subscribed to
wikitech-l. If you have or want to join a hackathon plan for Lyon (May
23-25), we want to know. Important note: Wikimedia Hackathons are not only
for developers, as good software development requires many other profiles,
including insightful users.

Chapter people and other organized wikimedians, your help funding volunteer
travel is welcome. Every year we are pooling more funds from more orgs,
opening our hackathons to more volunteers from more places and areas of
interest. Please send one volunteer or more to Lyon. More information and
feedback at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88523


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Date: Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 9:02 AM
Subject: Wikimedia Hackathon travel sponsorship
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi, we are hoping to open registration to the Wikimedia Hackathon in Lyon
next week. Those of you relying on travel sponsorship can start preparing
your requests already now:

# Familiarize yourself with the goals of the hackathon:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons#The_Wikimedia_Hackathon_model

# Join or propose a demo-able project in Phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikimedia-hackathon-2015/

# Find a hackathon buddy in the Wikimedia communities or related projects
out there: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Lyon_Hackathon_2015/Buddies

Here you have a draft form to get an idea of what questions you will be
asked: http://goo.gl/forms/MPzx8q7BBz (not a real form; data submitted will
be ignored and deleted)

Your feedback about the process is welcome, especially in the related
Phabricator task: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88406

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding bot maintenance

2015-02-24 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:04 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 WereSpielChequers wrote:
 One of the areas that I would like to see the foundation putting in money
 is for the running and maintenance of wanted orphan bots.

 I think specific examples might help here.


... and specific requests are welcome under
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/, where they
might be turned into project ideas for developer outreach programs or
Individual Engagement Grants. You don't even need to formulate the perfect
proposal. Just start drafting, and if the proposal generates interest it is
likely that others will chime in and help polishing it. These tools exist
here and now, and you might want to try them out.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] GSoC requests

2015-02-10 Thread Quim Gil
Hi James,

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 4:38 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:

 Please get Python and/or PocketSphinx help for Wikiversity to absorb
  http://www.wiki.xprize.org/Meta-team#Goals
 systems in a manner similar to how Wikiversity incorporated Moodle. Form an
 Xprize team before the March deadline just in case.


 http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Develop_systems_for_accuracy_review
 
 http://strategy.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Develop_systems_for_accuracy_review
 

 is ready for GSoC this year. Please go for it.


This is how Wikimedia approaches Google Summer of Code 2015:

1. Contributors like you create a project idea in Phabricator associated to
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/possible-tech-projects/. In order to
become a Featured project idea, you need a well scoped project supported by
two mentors.

2. Wikimedia applies to GSoC 2015 and is eventually accepted. Deadline for
organization submissions: 20 February.
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T921

3. If we are accepted, students will look at our Featured project ideas and
will apply to the ones that they find interesting. Sometimes students
present their own project, but usually those are wikimedians already.

4. We look at all the proposals received, and we request to Google a number
of slots.

5. Google gives us that number or less, depending on the total amount of
slots requested in the program.

6. At this point, your project idea might have been taken by a student or
not, and might have made it above the cut or not.

7. GSoC 2015 students are announced. Projects start.


PS: we are looking for help promoting Wikimedia GSoC/OPW projects in
France, Italy, Russia, China, Japan... and now Hungary!
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T925
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Education Extension

2015-02-03 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:23 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:

 The proposed concept called collections,


Now the project has a different working name: Gather

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gather

doesn't really leverage the fact that we already have
 shared lists of pages called categories.


I wonder how would someone create a list of pages My Favourite Music
Albums using MediaWiki categories. How would thousands of users gather
thousands of pages using MediaWiki categories. How would these categories
be private, how would their owners avoid other users messing with them.

The end result of a personal selection of pages might look similar to a
MediaWiki category, but they are essentially different.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Education Extension

2015-02-03 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Fabian Tompsett 
fabian.tomps...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 At Wikimedia UK we are looking at taking this up in broader context,
 editathons etc. and it would be great to hear of other peoples experiences
 and their views.


Just a comment aside about the etc. It is important to know when it is
good not to use a wiki for planning purposes. Wikis are very good for wiki
collaboration, and other tools are better suited for non-wiki activities
like i.e. software development. The Education Program extension is good to
coordinate wiki editing activities, and it might be also good for other
wiki activities like editathons.

For the etc (activities not based on wiki editing), you might want to
consider a project management tool like https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/,
which can perfectly satisfy the needs of non-technical projects and
processes.
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Promote GSoC, Outreachy, and Wikimedia Hackathon in France

2015-02-03 Thread Quim Gil
Exceptional cross-post. Your help spreading this message is welcome.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
Date: Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:17 AM
Subject: Promote GSoC, Outreachy, and Wikimedia Hackathon in France
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org


This is a call to all Wikimedia tech contributors with contacts in France.
We need your help reaching out to new developers!

We have the Wikimedia Hackathon in Lyon (23-25 May), which is a good excuse
to focus our developer outreach efforts in France already now. Google
Summer of Code and Outreachy (was FOSS Outreach Program for Women) are
around the corner. Can we coordinate an action between you, your contacts,
Wikimedia France, WMF Engineering Community team... ?

Please subscribe and participate in these tasks:

Promote GSoC, FOSS OPW, and Wikimedia Hackathon in France
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T88274

Engage with established technical communities at the Wikimedia Hackathon
2015
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76325

PS: for similar calls focusing on Russia, China, Japan, and your preferred
country, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T925

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2016

2015-01-21 Thread Quim Gil
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:34 AM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote:


   On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2016 selection Jury Committee,
 we
  have accepted the proposal from the Esino Lario Italy team.


Congratulations to the bold candidates and to the bold jury that accept
them!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esino_Lario
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Esino_Lario

Esino Lario looks like a perfect location for an event like Wikimania, for
a community like Wikimedia. Decentralization is a key aspect of our
movement, and having events out of the usual global hubs is a necessity.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Let's recruit tech volunteers in your country via GSoC / OPW

2014-12-01 Thread Quim Gil
On the topic of increasing diversity, a tech task that can be driven by
non-tech Wikimedians as well.

Wikimedia is planning to participate in Google Summer of Code 2015 and the
simultaneous FOSS Outreach Program for Women round 10. We want to increase
geographical diversity among candidates by involving local Wikimedia groups
in the promotion of these programs. This, in turn, could help increasing
the technical capacity of these groups. Interested? Please check

Connect Wikimedia groups, Google Developer Groups, and computer science
university departments
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T925

Italy, Russia, China, and Japan have been mentioned already. Adding other
locations is up to you. We are looking for local drivers. The Engineering
Community team and others can help from a distance, but this won't work
without local promoters.

PS: you can register to Phabricator with your Wikimedia account, and you
can subscribe to tasks in order to receive updates -- see
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator/Help

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group

2014-11-10 Thread Quim Gil
Great news! Finally a formal group focused in MediaWiki for third parties,
within the Wikimedia movement. Autonomous and connected. Now the sky is the
limit of the memebers of this group.  :)

PS: Stakeholder's or Stakeholders?

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:31 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive n...@nhasive.com wrote:

 Welcome  Congratulations!

 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Greetings,
 
  The Affiliations Committee is pleased to announce the recognition [1] of
  the MediaWiki Stakeholder's Group - a user group for MediaWiki
 developers,
  admins, users, consultants, and hosting providers who cooperate in order
 to
  improve the software and advocate the needs of MediaWiki users outside
 the
  Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and its projects.
 
  This group shows great promise and potential for helping organize folks
 who
  are interested in making MediaWiki even better and give a voice to the
 many
  non-WMF users of the software.
 
  So, now we have them joining the family of affiliates. Please, let's give
  them a warm welcome!
 
  More info about the group:
  https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholder%27s_Group
 
  Congratulations!
  -greg aka varnent
  Vice-Chair, Affiliations Committee
 
  1:
 
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/MediaWiki_Stakeholder%27s_Group_-_Liaison_approval,_November_2014
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Intoduction for OPW Round 9 (Wikimedia Identities Editor)

2014-10-08 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Divyanshi Kathuria 
divyanshikathu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Everyone, warm greetings to you all.


Hello Divyashi, and any other potential candidates for FOSS Outreach
Program for Women.

If you have questions about the Identities Editor project, you can ask them
directly to its mentors in the related Bugzilla report, indicated in the
FOSS OPW page: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58585

The best you can do at this point is to start drafting your proposal
on-wiki, adding yourself to the table of candidates at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FOSS_Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_9#Candidates

This is wikimedia-l, a non-technical mailing list. A better place to ask
and discuss OPW matters is wikitech-l

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

If you have other questions, you can ask me personally as well.

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[Wikimedia-l] FOSS OPW: looking for female technical contributors

2014-09-17 Thread Quim Gil
Dear wikimedians,

The Free and Open Source Souftware Outreach Program for Women offers paid
internships to developers and other technical profiles working on projects
together with free software organizations. Wikimedia is participating
again, and we welcome candidates.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FOSS_Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_9

This call is open to Wikimedia volunteers (editors, developers...) and also
to people that would contribute for the first time in our projects. In the
past editions we have seen that candidates coming through a direct
recommendation have good chances of success. It is also known that many
good potential candidates will be reluctant to step in, but they will if
someone (like you) encourages them to apply, or to contact us with any
questions.

You can make a difference. If you know women with software development or
open source background / interest and full time availability between
December and March, please forward them this invitation. Thank you!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-06 Thread Quim Gil
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 So we think a
 support forum like the Teahouse, and its equivalent in other languages
 may be a good place to start -- provided the hosts agree that there
 are no dealbreaker issues for them.


What about setting up some kind of Flow self-service for projects? Let play
to those wiling to play, in the way they think it's best for their projects.

Potential requirements to join the Flow self-service:

* At least one tech ambassador volunteering to act as contact between the
project and the Flow team, summarizing community feedback in the channels
agreed (mw:Talk:Flow, etc).
* Community agreement after a public discussion in the project.
* Selection of a first page to try Flow.

When the requirements are met, Flow is enabled in that project and
activated in that page. A month of trial follows, and after that the
community must evaluate whether it is worth activating Flow in more pages
or wait. Maybe at some point the admins of the project can control in which
pages Flow is deployed?

While we (Wikimedia movement) dedicate so much time to negotiate
incremental deployments of Flow in some sensitive and tough arenas, maybe
there are huge regions in our communities where editors would welcome a
test of this feature. The feedback of these early adopters would help
fine-tuning Flow and to better define the development priorities, since
longer term use of regular editors provides a more complete perspective
than power users in mediawiki.org alone.


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[Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-06 Thread Quim Gil
(The self-service suggestion and the opinions below are mine, posted here
with the best of my community intentions.)

Hi Yaroslav,

On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pute...@mccme.ru'); wrote:

 actually, this is exactly what is happening now and this is what caused
 this turmoil yesterday night.


The situation you describe and the hypothetical self-service process I
suggested are different.

I guess we start from the concept, and the next step would be for
 volunteers to instal Flow a their talk pages. If they can survive for a
 couple of months, we can talk about it further.


Discussing concepts is better done while trying prototypes, alphas, betas
(and we have been doing this for Flow for about a year now). For instance,
I believe mw:Winter is progressing in the way it is progressing thanks to a
good balance between conceptual discussions, prototyping iterations, and
actual testing. Flow itself is progressing well thanks to the limited
deployments in some real pages.

Allowing users to activate Flow in their Talk pages would fit in the
self-service idea. If the development team decides to open this
possibility, I will not hesitate in joining the trial.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Wikimedia Belgium as a Wikimedia chapter by the WMF Board

2014-09-03 Thread Quim Gil
Congratulations!

On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks all!


Looking forward to seeing WMBE coordinating an European effort to have the
best Wikimedia participation at http://fosdem.org ever.

(Tech-minded wikimedians, take note: Brussels, 31 January  1 February 2015)


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[Wikimedia-l] Tracking bugs in the open (was Re: Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes...)

2014-08-25 Thread Quim Gil
Hi,

On Monday, August 25, 2014, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:


 A first step here, I believe, is have the Teams track bugs in the open;
 from my own experience, the Flow and Multimedia folks track bugs somewhere
 else where I can't even view or comment (and even if I could, it being
 different from Bugzilla would make things harder).


All WMF Engineering teams track bugs in the open (unless they are
security/privacy related, for obvious reasons), although the use of
multiple tools doesn't help indeed. This is why we decided to move to
Phabricator.


 I'm not sure what about migration to Phabricator, but I think it's an
 operations style of thing (I'm yet to figure out how to get involved, but
 it'd make it easier for anyone to work on the new features - they are
 really documented on-wiki (thankfully they only internalise only bug
 tracking atm), although so far only in English mostly).


I'm not sure I understand, but in any case
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator#Get_involved


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[Wikimedia-l] Tech News the communication gap (was Re: Options for the German Wikipedia)

2014-08-12 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
 
  There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog, but dedicated
  to tech things - actively announcing everything WM ENGINEERING are doing,
  both in products and in core.


 There is. It's called the monthly report. See here for July's for
 example: *
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/July
 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Report/2014/July*


Lack of information is not the problem, most of the times. In addition to
the WMF Engineering monthly reports, tech-curious wikimedians have:

* Tech News, shipped on a weekly basis, to the point, and not limited to
WMF-driven projects. A great team of volunteers lead by Odder and Guillaume
work persistently to fix this communication gap. Everybody: please
subscribe and help promoting this great resource.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tech_News

* WMF Engineering short  mid term goals. Follow the links for status
reports, project plans, and direct feedback to the teams involved.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals

These resources are far from perfect, but they exist today. Ideas and help
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-08 Thread Quim Gil
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Quim, it seems to me that the methods used by Features have repeatedly
 produced troubled results over the years, so it's time for a different
 approach.


Note that the approach of empowering Tech Ambassadors to explicitly
represent the voice of the content communities hasn't been tried yet. To
me, this is also a different approach.


 Grantmaking has a community-intensive approach
 to making major decisions and I think the same approach should be
 taken in Features. I am optimistic that embedding the community deeply in
 leading Features would be a long-term change for the better. I believe that
 the Tech Ambassadors aren't empowered to make high-level community
 recommendations about Features as the Technical Committee is intended
 to do, although Tech Ambassadors may want to volunteer to serve on the
 Technical Committee and/or be integrated into its work. I would like to
 invite
 you and the Tech Ambassadors to participate in the discussion about the
 Technical Committee on the Board Noticeboard [1].


The Wikimedia Engineering Community Team can work here and now on the
specific goal of let's empower people to serve on the Wikimedia
Engineering Community Team. We can work with the 'people' interested to
bring them closer to the development process and tell them how to
participate in it effectively.

This line of work doesn't get in the way of a potential Technical
Committee. I just think that if a committee like that should exist, their
potential members should be active at e.g.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/2014-15_Goals and
related planning pages already today, because the possibility to ask and
influence already exists.

Anyway, I should have a shower and some breakfast before running to
Wikimania. If you happen to be in London and you find this topic exciting,
I will be very happy to share a chat with or without coldBeverage().
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-07 Thread Quim Gil
Meta comment: if our common goal is to increase collaboration, then we need
to excel ourselves in this collaboration precisely. If we minority of
tech-aware contributors are being confrontational between ourselves, then
we can only expect to nurture more confrontation than collaboration among
the new tech contributors we aim to engage.

So please, let's enjoy this conversation and let's help each other finding
better ideas to improve this problem we all want to solve.

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:01 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:


 On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, at 06:58, Quim Gil wrote:
   - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features
 they'd
   like,
  
 
  Betas and Bugzilla today. Phabricator should make it easier to provide
  feedback in a wider range of topics, not only bugs.

 99% of users of Wikimedia projects don't /know/ about these tools. That's
 the problem, and your response is not reflecting it.


Yes, I agree. Can we do better?

I think the core of the problem is how to increase the participation of
tech-curious contributors, and how to structure it in a way that informs,
influences, and actually joins the development process effectively.

How can we increase the participation in technical matters among Wikimedia
editors and readers? For some thoughts on this topic, see

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_technical_volunteer_outreach.jpg
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_talk:New_contributors#English_Wikipedia_first_26213

Increasing participation by volume of participants is a goal per se.
However, this participation needs to be somewhat structured in order to
become efficient. For instance, having more Tech Ambassadors is good, but
wouldn't it be better if we all knew which Wikimedia projects and areas of
expertise are they covering?

I even think that having a sense of meritocracy among tech ambassadors
would be useful, just like it is useful at some point to know who is an
official maintainer of a repository, who has been granted permissions to
merge new code.

Am I referring to the Technology Committee that Pine is proposing? I don't
know. What I know is that tech meritocracy (and any meritocracy) works
better when it emerges from the grassroots, and therefore I'm skeptical
about any process that would start with a mandate from the Board or with a
WMF goal.

There are many smart, productive, and dedicated technical volunteers in our
community. In relation to the problems we are describing here, they have an
understanding, an experience, and a vision that most board members and WMF
employees can't match. I wonder what do they think, what would they do? And
I wonder how can the rest of us help them.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-07 Thread Quim Gil
About
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Suggestion_for_the_Board:_Technology_Committee

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Quim, can you clarify your comments about the Technology Committee? The
 committee is my proposal as a community member; it is not a top-down,
 Board-created idea. Its membership is designed to be broadly representative
 of the MediaWiki user community. The Board mandate is necessary to give
 TechCom similar placement to AffCom, the FDC, and other community-led and
 Board-chartered committees that report directly to the Board. I am not sure
 how you see TechCom as anything but a community-based organization.


This is just my personal opinion. Sitting here every day, and seeing also
not only the big hot topics but the many small novelties and discussions
that the tech community generates, the Tech Ambassadors are the ones
actually doing something in order to keep a fluent communication between
developers and editors today. I would encourage and empower them to try out
solutions to get the communities better involved as participants of our
development process.

I would trust a process promoted by the Tech Ambassadors and evolved
through many iterations and lessons learned, more than a committee that
went from community proposal to board approval in one go. I don't think the
problems we have will be solved by a committee of members elected or
appointed for periods of n years. I would rather see how certain
ambassadors earn the respect of their content projects and the technical
community (WMF teams included) through continuous participation, wise
words, and useful work.

Yes, we need some structure, but a light and flexible structure that fits
in our open source development process.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-05 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Gryllida,

On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Gryllida gryll...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Could we please have some more people (potentially a dedicated ‘community’
 team) who could do these things:


The tasks you describe would or could fall into the responsibilities of two
teams at the WMF:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_Engagement_(Product)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Engineering_Community_Team

Also the own development teams (including product managers) are involved in
some of these activities, as part of their development and deployment
process.



 - encourage feedback by absolutely /anyone/ about the next features they'd
 like,


Betas and Bugzilla today. Phabricator should make it easier to provide
feedback in a wider range of topics, not only bugs.


 - run programming and documentation activities requested (or started) by
 community [there would be a lot of small projects, unlike the big ones the
 current Teams are working on],


I for one would welcome more initiatives and requests from the community.
The PyWikiBot is a good example of a team that asks us to help organizing
and promoting their special activities. More proposals are welcome.


 - encourage localising documentation for, and centralising the location
 of, all community-developed programming work,


Nemo has been a very active advocate, and I want to believe that WMF teams
have been increasingly relying on centralized and translatable
documentation in their releases, asking explicitly for translation help.



 - raise awareness of community development efforts across all Wikimedia
 projects,


This is an explicit goal for Tech Ambassadors and Community Liaisons.


 - actively encourage members of community become MediaWiki and Gadgets
 hackers in the Free Software philosophy?


Ah, you are touching a point of my personal ToDo list that I know we are
not addressing as well as we could. Still, we are trying to focus this line
of activity in conjunction with our participation in Google Summer of Code,
FOSS Outreach Program for Women, and recently also Google Code-in and
Facebook Open Academy.


This would be, in my view, a relatively small, collaboration-type team
 (with just half a handful of people for timezone coverage for IRC support).


To me this is not a task of one team or two, but a set of practices better
embodies in our development and deployment processes, and also a set of
activities that a larger community should embrace.

In fact, this is what my Wikimania session is about! Shameless plug:

https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/The_Wikimedia_open_source_project_and_you

(It was scheduled at the Technology, Interface  Infrastructure track but
believe me, it's more about
WikiCulture  Community.)

I'm curious about the subject of you message, especially the let's elect
people part. What do you mean?
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimania Hackathon wants your signatures

2014-08-04 Thread Quim Gil
1,6 days before the start of the Wikimania Hackathon... #impatient

If you are planning to attend, there is something simple that you can still
do. Please go to

https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Hackathon#Topics

and leave your signature in the sessions that you wish to attend. It's
pretty straightforward and requires no commitment. Do it now!

Why is this useful?

1. The sessions with a critical mass of signatures will be featured at the
all-hands session opening the hackathon. We will call the promoters of each
of these sessions and they will pitch their intentions and goals. This, in
turn, might get them some more participants.

2. Having an approximate idea of the relative interest of each session will
help everybody scheduling in rooms with appropriate size. Note that most of
the scheduling will happen during and after this opening session. We have
pre-scheduled just a few exceptions: sessions focusing on new contributors
and sessions requiring the participation of remotes or other people with
busy agendas.

In other words, by adding your signatures now you are already starting to
shape the Wikimania Hackathon program.

See you soon!

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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Hackathon EU 2015 QA session

2014-07-17 Thread Quim Gil
Hi, several organizations have expressed an interest in organizing the
Wikimedia Hackathon 2015 in Europe. We are willing to announce the selected
host at Wikimania, if possible at all.

Let's have a QA to help candidates preparing better proposals with less
effort.

Monday, 21 July at 16:30 UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20140721T1830p1=311ah=1

If you want to participate, please send me an email address that you have
tested with Google Hangouts. The QA will be streamed and available at

https://plus.google.com/events/c0fgci542f8cn58o606gng6avio

You can also send questions before, that will be answered here and will
help improving https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comment on the content, not the contributor - with staff?

2014-07-14 Thread Quim Gil
On Thursday, July 3, 2014, Isarra Yos zhoris...@gmail.com wrote:

 What can we, as volunteers, do when we believe staff have gone too far
 (besides create drama on a mailing list)?


It depends on the area and the problem, but there are enough WMF employees
with public exposure and community background to choose from. The
Engineering Community team should be able to help technical volunteers
having problems with WMF employees. The community liaisons (now Community
Engagement team) are also good points of contact.

Of course, each of us employees has a manager and a HR contact, and if the
problem is exceptional they could be the ultimate points of contact within
the WMF.

Does this answer your question?


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015

2014-07-09 Thread Quim Gil
So far there are no candidates to organize the next Wikimedia Hackathon in
Europe. If any chapter, thorg, or group of volunteers is thinking about
applying, please let us know. We want to announce the new host at Wikimania.

Very important: the budget for the Wikimedia Hackathon 2015 will be
discussed and eventually approved as an independent Project and Event Fund.
This means that organizers will be able to define the budget and manage it
without depending on general chapter funds and FDC rounds. This will avoid
any risk of budget cuts caused by factors alien to the hackathon
organization, a problem we have seen in previous editions. Background:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#General_versus_project_funding

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG

On Friday, May 30, 2014, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 (CCing wikimedia-l as well, please send any replies to wikitech-l only)

 The Wikimedia technical community wants to have another hackathon next
 year in Europe. Who will organize it?

 Interested parties, check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons

 We would like to confirm a host by Wikimania, latest.

 The same call goes for India and other locations with a good concentration
 of Wikimedia contributors and software developers. Come on, step in. We
 want to increase our geographical diversity of technical contributors.




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[Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimedia Hackathon(s) 2014-2015

2014-05-30 Thread Quim Gil
(CCing wikimedia-l as well, please send any replies to wikitech-l only)

The Wikimedia technical community wants to have another hackathon next year
in Europe. Who will organize it?

Interested parties, check https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hackathons

We would like to confirm a host by Wikimania, latest.

The same call goes for India and other locations with a good concentration
of Wikimedia contributors and software developers. Come on, step in. We
want to increase our geographical diversity of technical contributors.




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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Chair of the Supervisory Board – the 14th WMDE General Assembly in retrospect

2014-05-29 Thread Quim Gil
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Markus Glaser
 markus.gla...@wikimedia.de javascript:;wrote:
  As we have more than 1 members now



 I did not realize WMDE had 1000 active members!


While 1  1000 is true, I just want to stress that Markus said more
than ten thousand members, which is an even more impressive number.

This translates to 240,000 EUR coming annually from absolutely affordable
membership fees. A very good foundation to build upon. Bravo WMDE!


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Task-oriented mailing lists

2014-05-20 Thread Quim Gil
We are going to discuss Google Summer of Code and FOSS Outreach Program for
Women in 90 minutes at #wikimedia-office -- join us!

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Engineering_Community_Team/Meetings/2014-05-20
On Tuesday, May 20, 2014, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote:

this year in a Gsoc project, following a proposal by the student, we are
using a dedicated mailing list for his project.

I understand why you are deciding to create a mailing list, but at the same
time I'm hoping that in the very near future situations like these can be
solved with Phabricator, the tool that is planned to deprecate Bugzilla,
Gerrit and several tools more.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Phabricator

In fact, instead of creating a mailing list that will be surely ignored and
forgotten by the rest of the community, I encourage you to run your
short-term project with a clear deadline at http://fab.wmflabs.org/

In a Phabricator project all the discussions can be organized around tasks.
You can have a generic Planning Project X for the meta-discussion. This
will give you a space for discussion integrated with project planning and
code review.

Phabricator allows you to assign tasks to more than one project, which
means that in our production instance you will be able to mark tasks as
bugs in other MediaWiki components. Another interesting feature is the
possibility for users to subscribe to keywords. This means that having a
task related to Python might bring the attention of other Python
developers, even if they had no prior idea about the existence of your
project.

This way of working is a lot more efficient and sustainable than separate
mailing lists for projects. I encourage you to give it a try! For what is
worth, there is at least one GSoC project using Phabricator.

Chemical Markup for Wikimedia Commons
http://fab.wmflabs.org/project/view/26/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Quim Gil
At least about non-profit software organizations that we rely on (aka
upstream projects), I agree with the idea of having a strategy of support
and the sensible resources to support it.

The easy part is to explain the principle and the strategy to our editors
and donors. We got here because these projects were also here to support
us. If they fail, we will suffer.

What is more complex is to have a software strategy mapping our current and
future needs to our own development resources and to the upstream projects
expected to provide the rest. Some upstream projects will do well with or
without us, while others will rely more heavily on us. Different projects
will have different needs at different points of time.

Being a supporter in the free software community is not very different to
being an editor in Wikipedia. Good contributors don't focus in just giving
money, just like good editors don't focus in just adding text. Our help is
more useful when we contribute with our various interests and tools,
filling different types of gaps that others have left.

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I could imagine a process with a fixed giving back annual budget
 and a community nominations/review workflow. It'd be work to create
 and I don't want to commit to that yet, but I would be interested to
 hear opinions.


Planned budget and community process are important elements in this
equation, but a broader strategy would need to be in place first. In my
opinion, such strategy would focus mainly on long term relationships based
on actual exchanges and collaboration before money gets into the picture.
Leaving a % of the budget for opportunistic support to non-planned actions
is very good, but only when the basic collaborations are in place.
Otherwise we risk to run into the known problem of supporting many
activities and many organizations at a remarkable cost, without seeing
clear benefits after a couple of exercises.

I would also start using and contributing improvements to the tools and
processes we currently have, like the family of Grants tools, rather than
creating new ones for this purpose.

Just like featured articles start with a single sentence, we could also
start with a very simple iteration, already in the 2014-15 plan, keeping
what we have done (e.g. the Freenode collaboration) and adding a bit more.
The same goes for the software strategy, we don't need to have a 5-year
plan to start nailing down some obvious conclusions that will help us
nominate a first list of partners to support formally.

In fact this is one of the reasons why the Engineering Community team has
the short term goal of documenting an accurate list of upstream projects:

[2] Cf. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Upstream_projects



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which articles are widely shared accorss languages

2014-04-11 Thread Quim Gil
On Thursday, April 10, 2014, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 There's a tool for that:

 http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php

 Check the third row (Top 1000 items with missing articles).


It is kind of funny to see that one of the top items in some languages is
Linux, not because of lack of articles about Linux in those languages,
but as a collateral consequence of the old discussion Linux (Q388) vs
GNU/Linux (Q3251801). All this in addition to Linux kernel Q14579

Status of Linux vs GNU/Linux by language:

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q388

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3251801


Also funny, at the top of results German is missing Apfel (Q89), even if
the label offered by Terminator says Apfel.

http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator/index.php?listlang=demode=tx

And now, is this another post that starts talking about Linux and ends up
talking about apple?  :P

Anyway, thank you very much for this tool.




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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: URGENT call for geographical diversity in Wikimedia @ GSoC

2014-03-13 Thread Quim Gil
Dear Wikimedia contributors, please help spreading this call for Google
Summer of Code candidates in your projects, chapters, and surroundings.
Thank you!

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Quim Gil* q...@wikimedia.org
Date: Thursday, March 13, 2014
Subject: URGENT call for geographical diversity in Wikimedia @ GSoC
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org


Please forward this email wisely. Yes, we need your help getting the word
out.

So far, all our GSoC candidates come from only two (neighbor) countries:
India and Sri Lanka. While we are very happy seeing how popular Wikimedia
is among technical students in the Indian subcontinent, we are concerned
about the lack of candidates from anywhere else.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2014#Candidates

GSoC 2013 had accepted students from 69 countries [1], and we have
participants from eight.[2] We can discuss about the deep causes of this
situation but... Considering that we have less than 9 days before the GSoC
deadline for students (March 21 @ 19:00 UTC) we should focus on finding new
candidates.

There is still time to become a strong GSoC candidate for Wikimedia. Many
project ideas in our GSoC page (linked above) have mentors available and no
candidates yet. Go for them! Also, since our evaluation of candidates is
based on their proposals published in mediawiki.org, Google's deadline is
not a hard stop to keep improving your plans together with your mentors.
April 7 is when we need to decide how many slots we will request, meaning
how many teams (candidates and mentors with a common plan) we believe that
can complete GSoC 2014 successfully. That date is more than three weeks
from now.

Diversity is an important factor for Wikimedia. We are putting a lot of
effort promoting gender diversity in our outreach programs, and we are
seeing good progress. It would be surprising to realize that a global
project like Wikimedia has a serious problem with geographical diversity.
Your ideas and actions to fix this situation are welcome.

[1] https://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/ProgramStatistics
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013

PS: in comparison, FOSS OPW is doing a lot better, with five candidates
from four countries
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FOSS_Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_8#Candidates--
coincidence?



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] URGENT call for geographical diversity in Wikimedia @ GSoC

2014-03-13 Thread Quim Gil
On Thursday, March 13, 2014, Harsh Kothari harshkothari...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I guess we should share on Facebook as well as Twitter. (MediaWiki /
 Wikimedia Foundation)


Yes, you were faster than me.  :)

https://www.facebook.com/MediaWikiProject/posts/264324327074526?stream_ref=5

https://twitter.com/mediawiki/status/444215890104434688

https://plus.google.com/b/103470172168784626509/103470172168784626509/posts/6ERaAtT8oev


(I hope FB and G+ URLs work for you as well)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Wikipedistes documentary in Catalan TV

2014-03-03 Thread Quim Gil
On 03/03/2014 12:50 AM, Pau Giner wrote:
 The video, in Catalan, can be viewed at
 http://www.tv3.cat/videos/4930191/30%2520minuts%253A%2520VIQUIPEDISTES

Yes, thank you!

The documentary was good but, as a whole, more Catalan-centric than I
personally expected. Still, the ca.wiki community has started to discuss
the possibility to cut the documentary in capsules, and then some of
those might become very good introductions for just anybody interested
in how Wikipedia works. No specific plans yet.

The producers did a good job at compiling diverse perspectives and focus
areas: how some editors started with a first edit, how veteran editors
work on top quality articles with references, how admins deal with
vandalism, neutrality and different views in different languages, GLAM
and the photographers, community meetings, WMF and the state-based
chapters vs language-based projects, the role of public libraries and
museums as educators, content creators and gender gap shifters, the
views from the academia...

One recurrent topic was the massive use of Wikipedia among young
students, with funny scenes at class when the kids laugh because their
works use basically the same sentences, all copied in a single stroke
from the same articles. How the teacher encourages them to use Wikipedia
but find your own words to express those ideas, where researchers think
that all this is heading to...

They also interviewed the guy that created the first article in ca.wiki,
which happened to be the first article in a language other than English
 -- https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%80bac . It was interesting to hear
from him that one day the text-based Wikipedia will be history because
most probably learning will be based in media. It kept me thinking
whether it will be still the Wikimedia community who will ride that
wave, or someone else with fresh ideas and without the legacy and
community burdens we have...

Anyway, at least Amical and ca.wiki have now very good audiovisual
materials that will help them a lot reaching out to new contributors and
explaining to them all the things we do here.


 On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
 (Stepping out of my WMF tech role, wearing my ca.wiki volunteering hat.)

 This Sunday the program 30 minuts of TV3 (top TV channel in Catalan)
 will broadcast a documentary about Wikipedistes. Yes, it has a small
 audience compared to US prime time, but in terms of Catalan audience you
 probably can't go more prime time than that without being ''indecent''
 or wearing a FC Barcelona shirt.  :)

 http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/en

 What is more important, this veteran program keeps very high standards
 in journalism and TV reporting. The two previews being aired these days
 are promising:

 http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/proper

 Any single editor appearing in these trailers has been already contacted
 by friends and relatives (Hey, I saw you on TV!!!), and the ca.wiki /
 Amical Wikimedia supporters can't wait to watch the full version.

 The documentary will be available online. If it is as good as the
 average 30 minuts documentaries are, we {{Who}} might think of a way
 to get it subtitled in English. They have an archive of programs with
 English subtitles (see the first link), but with all the budget cuts
 public TV is facing I don't know how much resources would they have for
 translating Wikipedistes, even if the idea makes sense. Crowdsourcing?
 Anyway, more if/when the documentary is good.

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[Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Wikipedistes documentary in Catalan TV

2014-02-28 Thread Quim Gil
(Stepping out of my WMF tech role, wearing my ca.wiki volunteering hat.)

This Sunday the program 30 minuts of TV3 (top TV channel in Catalan)
will broadcast a documentary about Wikipedistes. Yes, it has a small
audience compared to US prime time, but in terms of Catalan audience you
probably can't go more prime time than that without being ''indecent''
or wearing a FC Barcelona shirt.  :)

http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/en

What is more important, this veteran program keeps very high standards
in journalism and TV reporting. The two previews being aired these days
are promising:

http://www.tv3.cat/30minuts/proper

Any single editor appearing in these trailers has been already contacted
by friends and relatives (Hey, I saw you on TV!!!), and the ca.wiki /
Amical Wikimedia supporters can't wait to watch the full version.

The documentary will be available online. If it is as good as the
average 30 minuts documentaries are, we {{Who}} might think of a way
to get it subtitled in English. They have an archive of programs with
English subtitles (see the first link), but with all the budget cuts
public TV is facing I don't know how much resources would they have for
translating Wikipedistes, even if the idea makes sense. Crowdsourcing?
Anyway, more if/when the documentary is good.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase in page views for the last 3 months

2013-11-22 Thread Quim Gil
On 11/22/2013 01:41 PM, Strainu wrote:
 Has anything changed in the reporting or the visit patterns for these
 Wikipedias? It looks pretty weird to have a 100% increase for Romanian
 in just 3 months [1].

 [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryRO.htm

Pretty similar to Spanish and Catalan:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryES.htm
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/SummaryCA.htm

Some Catalan editors {{vague}} were wondering how much the nice pannel
featuring Wikipedia text and image in Google searches had to do with
this. But yes, it's almost too nice to be true.

It would be interesting to see whether the increase in page views pulls
a vawe of increased edits and editors numbers.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in the room

2013-11-13 Thread Quim Gil
On 11/13/2013 12:37 AM, Matthew Flaschen wrote:
 However,
 there may be room for enhancing MadmanBot (e.g. as a GSOC or OPW project).

Any technical project able to identify small tasks and mentors available
are welcome to join Wikimedia's Google Code-in team at

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In

GCI will start next week and will last until the beginning of January.
Hundreds of young students will scan our tasks and will eventually
complete some of them.

It is a program ideal for small projects, like the bots or gadgets used
by editors.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Google Code-in: YES, WE ARE IN!

2013-11-01 Thread Quim Gil
If your project needs gadgets or templates imported / adapted / fixed, 
or other little technical tasks, and you have admins busy enough to do 
the work but not to mentor it... this is your chance!


Google Code-in is a perfect program to bring technical help to your 
projects. If you are interested read below, edit our Google Code-in wiki 
page, or contact me directly.



 Original Message 
Subject: Google Code-in: YES, WE ARE IN!
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 09:06:29 -0700
From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org

Wikimedia is one of the ten organizations selected to participate in
Google Code-in 2013! This means that on November 18 we will start having
hundreds of 13-17 year old students looking at Wikimedia tech tasks to
be completed.

The announcement:
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2013/11/mentoring-organizations-for-google-code.html

Our GCI page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In

If you are involved in FOSS Outreach Program for Women in any way you
can stop reading here. Otherwise, please stay with us. This program is a
very good opportunity to find fresh young helpers willing to complete
that little task that has been sitting in your ToDo list for too long.


WE NEED STRUCTURE

Andre Klapper and me are the Wikimedia org admins and we will take a lot
of dirty and boring work so the rest of you don't have to. However, we
won't be able to make it without meta-mentors.

META-MENTORS are seasoned contributors that have a good knowledge of the
relevant technologies, features and people involved in a specific area.
They are also mentors of some tasks in their areas, but their role
includes looking for more mentors that bring more tasks, and coordinate
with them. GCI organizations get an average of 150-200 tasks completed
during the program. You see the need for a distributed structure that
scales.

GCI has five areas:

* Code (proposing MatmaRex, helped by ?)
* Documentation/Training (guillom, helped by ?)
* Outreach/Research (?, helped by Quim - or the other way around)
* Quality Assurance (proposing Željko, helped by Andre)
* User Interface (Pau and Jorm)

Please, help substituting question marks with names.


WE NEED MENTORS BRINGING TASKS

The deal is simple: join GCI as mentor and bring your little tasks (that
would take you 2-3 hours to complete). You need to describe the tasks
for a newcomer, linking to the resources needed to complete them. You
also need to be ready to answer the questions of the students assigning
your tasks to them.

We will have more specific instructions for mentors before the beginning
of the program.


WE NEED PEOPLE PROPOSING TASKS

Even if you can't mentor a specific task we still want to know about it.
All we need is a bug report with

gci2013 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Code-In#Candidate_tasks

added to its Whiteboard field to make it easy to track them. Please CC
the related meta-mentors, Andre and me.

Questions? Please ask and you will help us improving our documentation.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FOSS Outreach Program for Women: call for candidates, projects, and mentors

2013-10-28 Thread Quim Gil
Your help promoting the Free and Open Source Outreach Program for Women 
is welcome. We are looking for candidates to become full-time interns in 
a Wikimedia tech project between December and March. We are also looking 
for mentors and projects. See the details below.


Wikimedia chapters and other organizations can also help promoting this 
program in their areas. So far the only countries with a slightly decent 
representation of candidates are India and USA.


Thank you!


 Original Message 
Subject: FOSS Outreach Program for Women: call for candidates, projects, 
and mentors

Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:02:37 -0700
From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org

PLEASE FORWARD TO WHOEVER MIGHT BE INTERESTED

Wikimedia will participate in the FOSS Outreach Program for Women -
Round 7. Interns of this program work full time in an open source
project during 4 months.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/FOSS_Outreach_Program_for_Women

Candidates interested are encouraged to add themselves to the table at
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women/Round_7#Candidates 


- even if you are still preparing your proposal.

We are actually running late (my fault). The application process is open
until November 11. The internship period goes from December 10 to March
10, 2014.

The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to fund up to 8 interns. This is a
great opportunity for Wikimedia / MediaWiki related projects. Our
process is quite simple: define a project, find the mentors and go for it!

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_mentors

The previous featured projects and confirmed mentors have been moved
respectively to the Raw and Bench sections. If you want to participate
in this OPW round move the entries back to the featured sections.

New projects and mentors are welcome too, of course!

If you have any questions please ask.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FOSDEM update

2013-09-30 Thread Quim Gil

On 09/25/2013 11:48 PM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov wrote:

Hi,

by then WMBE might already be founded and affiliated. However, we already
have people willing to work on this aswell. If you need any local
assistance, feel free to get in touch.


Thank you for your help, Dimitar. What about you and/or some other tech 
friendly promoter of Wikimedia Belgium taking the lead on the booth?


I can help and be the point of contact with the WMF and other related 
activities at FOSDEM. Stevie (UK), Lydia (DE) and others have already 
offered help and I'm sure we will get more volunteers as soon as there 
is a proposal accepted (and therefore structured and documented).


Do you want to start drafting at 
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM ? I'll follow.


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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FOSDEM update

2013-09-25 Thread Quim Gil

Hi, just a heads up about http://fosdem.org - Brussels 1  2 Feb 2014.

One of the biggest and coolest grassroots open source events in the 
World - and the main one in Europe.


European orgs and individuals loving software freedom: Wikimedia wants 
to have a stand. Let's do something cool! Get involved.


Discussion better at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM or 
wikitech-l.


Thank you!

PS: read below


 Original Message 
Subject: FOSDEM update
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:39:58 -0700
From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org

Hi, about FOSDEM - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM

Brussels / 1  2 February 2014

On 1 Oct we will know whether our proposal for a Wiki DevRoom has been
accepted or not. This is a DevRoom we have proposed together with XWiki
and TikiWiki and is open to all wiki topics. If we we get it accepted we
will organize a call for participation for this DevRoom.

The call for main track session proposals is open until 1 Oct.
https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-08-06-call-for-participation/

... and the call for lightning talks and stands is open until 20 Nov.
https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-09-17-call-for-participation-part-two/

You are encouraged to submit lightning talk proposals! Don worry if you
are unsure between submitting a session for a lightning talk or a
devroom: you can contact both and then they suggest you what to do.

Wikimedia wants to have a stand, and we have received an offer to help
from the nascent Wikimedia Belgium chapter. Probably more help can be
aggregated from CH, DE, FR, NL, UK + other tech contributors in the
region? Let's do something really cool! To be discussed.

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[Wikimedia-l] Call for tech projects needing contributors

2013-09-13 Thread Quim Gil
The current round of Google Summer of Code  FLOSS Outreach Program for 
Women is about to end, and it's time to start a new cycle of mentored 
projects in Wikimedia tech.


Check and contribute to

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects

if you are

* a Wikimedia project awaiting a specific software feature

* an organization with budget for tech activities looking for a short 
term goal


* a tech contributor with a cool idea for Wikimedia projects or 
MediaWiki in general



Even if software development is a prominent activity, we also encourage 
proposals focusing on other technical areas: quality assurance, design, 
sysadmin, promotion...


Post your proposal soon, edit it often. By submitting a proposal to the 
Possible Projects page you get attention and help from the tech 
community in the form of reality checks and contacts with possible 
mentors, interested projects and funding sources. 21 projects were 
selected in our last round, finishing now:


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreach_Program_for_Women

We keep searching for more opportunities to channels these projects, 
both within the Wikimedia movement (Individual Engagement Grants, 
chapters...) and out there (internship programs encouraging free 
software and diversity in tech).


We want to hear your feedback! Use the discussion page or reply here.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (itwas: Communication plans for community engagement

2013-08-27 Thread Quim Gil

On 08/27/2013 08:37 AM, Balázs Viczián wrote:

Would be nice to see feasibility checks before outsourcing some tasks to
chapters to make sure they are prepared for the task.


Sure, these checks are part of the FDC / IEG / any decent grant process. 
Business as usual.


Also important:

Tech projects aiming to merge code in an existing project also need to 
be in sync with the maintainers and the community. This is why we have a 
separation between Featured project ideas (ready to be taken) and Raw 
projects (not yet filtered) at


https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects

Even the featured project ideas must get a reality check as soon as 
someone steps in at a given time for a specific program.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Questions for the Board post-Wikimania

2013-08-19 Thread Quim Gil

On 08/14/2013 01:52 PM, Steven Walling wrote:

Would the Board
consider recruiting expert seats with more experience in engineering and
product development?


With or without expert seats, I believe the whole tech planning process 
would improve if our tech volunteers (tech ambassadors?) would be more 
involved since the beginning. This might mean a longer discussion, but 
also more transparent and with a better community backing since the 
beginning.


Moving some discussions early in the planning process might save a lot 
more time and energy discussing months later, when prototypes and betas 
start to show up. And by that time it could be the own tech ambassadors 
the ones defending the plan they helped build.


Opinions are mine, etc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [okfn-discuss] OKCon 2013 Call for Proposals – out now!

2013-06-18 Thread Quim Gil
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga
everton.alvare...@okfn.org wrote:
 It'd be great to see wikimedians there. Tom

Did anybody get their talk accepted? Not me. Still considering to go
though, espeially if other here are planning to attend as well.

The schedule so far: http://okcon.org/schedule/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-31 Thread Quim Gil

On 05/31/2013 04:03 AM, Thehelpfulone wrote:

Unfortunately this still reverts
to old design for other languages but I'm working on seeing if there's a
way to fix that.


I believe it requires restarting Mailman, or at least this is how I read 
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030605


The template is being used in more lists. New additions (I'm aware of):

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/qa
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-sf
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/libraries

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] making tech journalism easier to read

2013-05-22 Thread Quim Gil

On 05/22/2013 08:39 AM, Florence Devouard wrote:

My main suggestion (valid for all posts, technical or not) would be to
start with a clearly identified cap as summary. And put an extra effort
so that this cap is written in simple and straightforward message.


Yes! Don't assume readers will reach the end of your post. You will be 
lucky if they end the lead paragraph! This is the Who, What, When, 
Where, Why (and How) rule. Skip any of this if you wish, but do it 
consciously.


Looking at more examples of first paragraphs:

Getting ready for ULS everywhere
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/22/getting-ready-for-uls-everywhere-2/
Pretty ok, although an extra sentence explaining what is Universal 
Language Selector would be welcome. Yes, it has been explained in 
several posts in the same blog but we can't simply assume that your 
readers today have also read those previous articles.



Request for proposals: MediaWiki release management
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/05/21/request-for-proposals-mediawiki-release-management/
The actual lead paragraph is the 4th, and only re-sorting the paragraphs 
4,5,1,2,3 would make the text a lot clearer.
(I'm sitting literally next to Greg and Rob so I hope they don't get mad 
at me!)


Also related: Request for proposals: MediaWiki release management is 
not very clear as a headline for outsiders. I hesitated sharing the 
official tweet that came with this header. Erik put it this way: The 
Wikimedia Foundation is looking for a partner to develop the third party 
MediaWiki open source ecosystem and my retweet quickly followed.


We can probably add The Microblogging Sharing Test to our headlines.  :)

No math or script will easily catch any of this, and this is why big 
media must keep paying plenty of humans to write good stories.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-22 Thread Quim Gil
Version 1.0 is out:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce

Source: https://github.com/quimgil/mailman-templates

Propagation is welcome. Thank you TheHelpfulOne for the original push
and to the other feedback reporters!


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 On 05/20/2013 10:56 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

 MZMcBride, 21/05/2013 04:22:

 Quim Gil wrote:

 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce

 Feedback, please.


 I would love to see this design or something similar become the default
 for Wikimedia's mailing lists. Compared to the current default,[1] I find
 the new design vastly more friendly and engaging.


 Can't be the default because it's English only, isn't it. A workaround
 could be to remove custom linguistic content (for instance make About
 Wikimedia Foundation just Wikimedia and point it to some translatable
 page on Meta), but I've no idea how localisation of all this works.


 Well, this *recommended* template could substitute the current default which
 doesn't offer localized links either. An improvement is an improvement, and
 I think the improvement for users is huge.

 Then it is up to the admins of each list to implement this template or not,
 to take it as is or with modifications e.g. links to Spanish content for
 your Spanish speaking list. It's just a piece of HTML to be pasted in a web
 form.

 Just give me a day or so to implement feedback and clean the code, and then
 the template will be ready to be applied by list admins with a simple
 copypaste, with optional customization.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-21 Thread Quim Gil

On 05/20/2013 10:56 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

MZMcBride, 21/05/2013 04:22:

Quim Gil wrote:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce

Feedback, please.


I would love to see this design or something similar become the default
for Wikimedia's mailing lists. Compared to the current default,[1] I find
the new design vastly more friendly and engaging.


Can't be the default because it's English only, isn't it. A workaround
could be to remove custom linguistic content (for instance make About
Wikimedia Foundation just Wikimedia and point it to some translatable
page on Meta), but I've no idea how localisation of all this works.


Well, this *recommended* template could substitute the current default 
which doesn't offer localized links either. An improvement is an 
improvement, and I think the improvement for users is huge.


Then it is up to the admins of each list to implement this template or 
not, to take it as is or with modifications e.g. links to Spanish 
content for your Spanish speaking list. It's just a piece of HTML to be 
pasted in a web form.


Just give me a day or so to implement feedback and clean the code, and 
then the template will be ready to be applied by list admins with a 
simple copypaste, with optional customization.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] making tech journalism easier to read

2013-05-21 Thread Quim Gil

On 05/20/2013 08:45 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote:

When you're trying to write a blog.wikimedia.org entry or
wikitech-ambassadors email about a technical topic, but you want to make
sure nontechnical Wikimedians can read it, is there an automated check
you can run through?

For general readability we have http://www.readability-score.com/


But all those indexes have nothing to do with technical or non-technical 
content or readers. They will tell long sentences with long words are 
bad, short sentences with short words are good - tech aspects aside.


Americans consume significant quantities of chocolate

REALLY BAD!

Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease -39

Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level  20.2
Gunning-Fog Score   22.4
Coleman-Liau Index  31.3
SMOG Index  11.6
Automated Readability Index 19.3
Average Grade Level 21.0


Set up git and fork the master repo

VERY GOOD!

Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease 93

Grade Levels
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level  2.3
Gunning-Fog Score   3.2
Coleman-Liau Index  4.8
SMOG Index  1.8
Automated Readability Index -0.9
Average Grade Level 2.2



Aside from general readability, I also want to be careful about using
jargon, and substitute more accessible terminology where possible. I may
whip up a script to check whether some text has words from
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Glossary and the other site glossaries
in it, unless someone has a better idea.


The master branch of the git repository is clearly non suitable for 
the beginning of an article, but there is nothing wrong in writing 
exactly that deeper in the text, at the right time and in the right 
context for the right audience.


Not all readers must/will read all articles entirely. You don't want to 
throw casual readers into complex text, but you don't want to deceive 
more specialist readers with generic words when precise terms exist and 
that audience is familiar with them.


Good journalism is mostly about a lead paragraph for the masses followed 
by an increasingly dense body text (aka the 5 Ws and the inverted 
pyramid). You can adapt and change these rules at will, as long as you 
are aware of them.


Paying more editorial attention to the title and the lead will allow 
more room for complex terminology down in the body text. And this 
applies to technical posts just as much as to other posts about other 
expert fields for librarians, translators, lawyers, educators...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Ws
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-20 Thread Quim Gil
Still about this:

Thehelpfulone wrote:
 Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US
 mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l

Can you share the source? I'm happy to try it for wikitech-announce,
tweaking it to fulfill the requests made (more accessible color schema
and subscription fields visible without having to scroll down).

Thank you!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-20 Thread Quim Gil

On 05/20/2013 10:37 AM, Thehelpfulone wrote:


  Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the
WLM-US
  mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:
  https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l




Sure! I haven't managed to get around to making those tweaks myself, so
I'd appreciate your (and anyone else's) help. The code's at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Thehelpfulone/Wikimedia-l


I simplified it drastically:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce

Feedback, please.

Source (ugly after several mutations, but seems to work)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil/wikitech-announce

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-20 Thread Quim Gil
I'm glad you like it. I will wait for more feedback and once we feel 
that this is good I will clean the code (we are just using a small 
portion of all those styles).


On 05/20/2013 03:56 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote:


On 20 May 2013 23:41, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
mailto:q...@wikimedia.org wrote:

I simplified it drastically:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/__mailman/listinfo/wikitech-__announce
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-announce


All changes requested done:

https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AQgil%2Fwikitech-announcediff=692551oldid=692469

About this:


Also that View
this Page in language box needs to be in the default design as there
are lists where English isn't the primary language used (the code for
that is MM-lang-form-startMM-displang-box
MM-list-langsMM-form-end).


Wikitech-announce only has English (USA) supported, therefore the 
language selector is pointless there.


I have added the following to the template:

!-- Optional multilingual selector --
!-- Mailman needs to be restarted to localize this custom template --
!-- http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030605 --
!-- MM-lang-form-startMM-displang-box MM-list-langsMM-form-end --

Those wanting the language selector must uncomment the last line and ask 
an admin to restart Mailman, otherwise the non-English versions will 
still appear with the old default template. Restarting *might* be also 
needed for lists with only one language supported different than English.


(It would be nice if someone would test this to see if it really works. 
I'm just interpreting what the URL above says.)


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