Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-30 Thread Richard Farmbrough
There are many million users registered in central auth. Most have not edited anywhere, and never even visited welcoming these is actually harmful in a demonstrable way: readers will be notified of this useless welcome by email, or the notification tool. If this were multiplied

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The other side of the crisis at WMFR

2017-10-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I think it very clear that these allegations were the last gasp of an ancient regime, mired as it was in nepotism and other unsavoury practices. The criminal allegations can be left to the police. The description of the steps taken by the WMF in this case seems to be of a very sensible

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
We have a number of source specific templates, such as {{EB1911}} for acknowledging re-used source material. There is as yet no automatic mechanism for changing these as and when the actual copying is replaced entirely. On 28 Aug 2017 01:18, "Gnangarra" wrote: > but the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-25 Thread Richard Farmbrough
While I would (and have) strongly opposed both threats and actual contacting of employerst of volunteers, I think the situation here is somewhat different. Firstly WMF employees are not subject to community sanction insofar as their paid roles go. Secondly it is perfectlying normal to have an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Windows 10 lockscreen images

2017-08-23 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have looked at the Wikipedia traffic for the places associated with some of these images, and it is clear that they drive in the order of thousands of hits per day. I haven't been able to find a definitive list, from which more comprehensive stats could be generated. I think that using Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread Richard Farmbrough
wledge", whatever that might be, nor did I say that I had. I am > expressing surprise that there is not yet a common understanding that the > movement can rally round. > > "Rogol" > > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Richard Farmbrough < > rich...@farmb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread Richard Farmbrough
The problem of knowledge is much older than Wikipedia. It is part of the reason that so many intelligent people belive things that are "simply not so". On 11 Aug 2017 11:52, "Rogol Domedonfors" wrote: > Is it not rather late to be discussing what "knowledge" might be,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Which templates should be global?

2017-06-28 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Amir, I will certainly try to respond! I had a rather nice universal deployment model pre-lua. On 28 Jun 2017 07:33, "Amir E. Aharoni" wrote: > Hallo, > > TLDR: If you are an experienced editor on any Wikimedia project in any > language, please add your ideas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WFM 91.7 FM becomes our broadcasting partner in Nigeria

2017-06-12 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Article needate a little work. On 12 Jun 2017 12:23, "Quim Gil" wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:26 PM, shola ishola > wrote: > > > > > Dear wikipedians, > > > > We are delighted to announce that we have reached agreement with the > above

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
gt; to > > > > everything. We oppose censorship and we oppose suppression of freedom > > of > > > > information. I think it is also perfectly fine to state that we as a > > > > movement oppose terrorism. > > > > > > > > Made a f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
w more adjustments to this statement on meta > > > > James > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Richard Farmbrough < >> wrote: > > > It is absolutely important to be clear that W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It is absolutely important to be clear that Wikipedia is impartial, or at least substantially so. This impartiality may be a threat to some, but it could be counter-productive to make statements which are not carefully thought through. Those who support repressive regimes can easily be pushed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FLOSS for operations equipment

2016-03-22 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I think there are two clear policies here: 1. The forkability of the projects 2. The "niceness" of suppliers. The first is a movement and project principle. The second is - loosely - connected to a broader movement. It is philosophically and morally dubious to coerce people to conform to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Scholarship Decline

2016-03-22 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I believe that Wikimania scholarships are one of the best uses of WMF funds. I would like to see more scholarships. If funds are a problem, then by all means have more scholarships for relatively local people - but frankly I don't think funds _are_ a problem. On 21/03/2016 14:00, Rodrigo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It's all very well to assume that certain demographics are wealthy. But it is simply a stereotype. Wikipedians I know personally from the "privileged" demographics vary from those who are well off through to those who are saddled with substantial debt and zero income. But really the question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Thanks for the (single) use case: Trouble is it just pushes the question further down the road. inadequate for some compelling reason On 13/08/2015 09:25, Pine W wrote: A*few* legitimate use cases could be: *Superprotection by stewards of legally or technically sensitive pages, to prevent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Not a good example. This could be a special page. On 11/08/2015 21:56, Risker wrote: There are situations where not even the administrators of a particular community should be allowed to edit a page. A good example would be the pages that describe the copyright and licensing of Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Using it for legal disputes is poor form. We had legal disputes before, and managed them with office actions. If you don't trust the admins not to purposefully post libel or copyvios, then super-protecting a page or two won't help. Moreover it implies that the Foundation can or will take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect's first birthday

2015-08-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
No community would want to change documents issued by the WMF, if it did, the stewards would be crazy to do so. This is reaching. Why? On 11/08/2015 22:34, Risker wrote: However, stewards under their current process could very well find themselves in a situation where a community wants to do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the wikipedia http API address now?

2015-06-20 Thread Richard Farmbrough
All on-wiki discussion agrees that the http service has been unceremoniously dumped. Various reasons are given: HSTS won't allow you to access it (not quite true) and that it would allow SSL Stripping attacks (almost totally false). On 20 June 2015 at 13:43, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Printed Wikipedia is go!

2015-06-20 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I toyed with this idea some years ago when I was working for a short-run large-document printing company. We regularly produced 160,000 page documents (20 copies). With a suitable font Wikipedia's then 1 million articles would have been a cinch. On 17 June 2015 at 20:42, David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-19 Thread Richard Farmbrough
We shall miss you. On 19 June 2015 at 09:30, Andrea Zanni wrote: Goodbye Fabrice, and thank you for all your enthusiasm. It was very appreciated :-) Good luck! Aubrey On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Michael Jahn wrote: May your next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editing Wikipedia for school community service hours

2015-04-15 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Content about businesses is potentially useful to people who need jobs. Television shows *are* cultural topics. I am uneasy about well intentioned attempts to define worthy and unworthy content. On 14 April 2015 at 02:28, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: I agree that any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing: The Wikipedia Prize!

2015-03-30 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Moreover this may well be a breach of policy, TOS and even law. On 31 March 2015 at 01:15, Oliver Keyes wrote: So, let me get this right: 1. You announced that, as David puts it, noting anonymous IPs is the same as all-the-NSA-stuff-ever; 2. People disputed it, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who are the nicest people on our projects ?

2015-02-05 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Who was most thanked? On 5 February 2015 at 15:47, Fæ wrote: Hi, After reading an interesting related discussion on GenderGap, I have queried the top 10 users of the thanks feature last month, on both the English Wikipedia and Commons. Snapshot image attached and report

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Farmbrough
It is true that our Arbitrators have not always behaved as we would wish, and the cases that Trillium brings are are especially egregious, those familiar with the the Arbcom leaks or indeed who have followed the actions of the Committee, or dealt with individual Arbitrators on the English

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)

2015-02-02 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Because the Arbitration Committee does have experience dealing with harassment. Not many projects have such a body dedicated to dealing with conflict. You are of course right that a general consultation should be made, and I'm sure if there are other bodies you can point to the WMF would love to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-10 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have a tool to migrate templates. If anyone has a particular wiki that needs templates migrating on an as needed basis, please let me know and I will be happy to help. On 10 October 2014 02:57, Romaine Wiki wrote: Lua makes editing templates for most users impossible.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-01 Thread Richard Farmbrough
What is irritating about the ACTRIAL scenario, was that it was a well defined (6 month) test. It might have worked, it might not have worked. But we would have known. We would have had solid comparators. Most of what we do (WMF and community) has no control to establish whether it works. To be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-08-31 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Legal position: I have seen it claimed by legal and repeated here by Erik that the reasonableness criteria means that we do not have to worry about the CCBYSA-3.0 clause that says all copyright holders need equal attribution. This is simply not so: The credit required by this Section 4(c) may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] editor retention initiatives

2014-08-26 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have coincidentally raised the question of fair-use images for living people at the Gender Gap Taskforce talk page. Perhaps this is something we shoudl take to the policy talk page? On 26 August 2014 14:24, Tim Davenport wrote: David Goodman has this exactly right — new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Access by Wikimedia volunteers to WMF records about them

2014-08-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
But if the entity refuses to answer, one has limited recourse, especially if that entity is American, or trans-Atlantic. On 24 August 2014 16:50, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: If you don't know of a policy which gives you the right to ask something, why ask that something?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New movement org?

2014-08-23 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Note that while it *is* a trademark issue, it isn't *just* a trademark issue. On 21 August 2014 18:44, Gregory Varnum wrote: Thank you Richard for bringing this to everyone's attention. So folks know, WMF Legal and the Affiliations Committee are investigating and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-18 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Lets straighten a few things out 1. Of course I don't think that bug counting is an accurate metric - and we are all aware that Bugzilla contains other items. Nonetheless to pretend that everything is rosy with MV is facile. 2. Specifically it appears that MV breaks CC-BY-SA-3.0. Details on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-17 Thread Richard Farmbrough
idea..Fix the bugs or atleast half of them and maybe then try enforcing them (as WMF ignores community decisions).. On 8/17/14, Chad Horohoe wrote: On Aug 17, 2014 6:49 AM, Richard Farmbrough wrote: There are 105 bugs open for Media Viewer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-16 Thread Richard Farmbrough
There are 105 bugs open for Media Viewer. To my mind that is not a product that is ready to be delivered to 500,000,000 users, delivering 52.5 billion bugs! (And that's just the ones we know about!) But even if it was, the fact that a project community has asked for it to be opt-in should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clarification by Lila Tretikov about MediaViewer

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Farmbrough
The community too is asking for kindness and consideration. Riding roughshod over community consensus does not equate to kindness, or even wisdom, unless it it that of Niccolò Machiavelli! The Mission Statement of the Foundation says *The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unacceptable -- CheckUser abuse gone uninvestigated

2014-08-03 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I have to say that there is an unnecessary lack of transparency which seems to get worse. In or around May 2012 I emailed the audit committee on EN:WP to ask about checkuser run on my account and got a polite and informative reply. In or around May 2014 an identically worded query got a polite

Re: [Wikimedia-l] simple and effective creation process for chapters

2014-05-03 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I am involved with a charity that sets up regional charities. We have a nominally clean procedure which can set up a charity in a few days. However a constantly changing legislative and regulatory environment can send the whole system back to square one. When we are dealing with a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimania-l] dead due to wikimania ; )

2013-08-12 Thread Richard Farmbrough
I maintained 24/7 support with a team of 6. WMF has 150 staff and does not have weekend support. The tail is wagging the dog. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Apparently important. I am aware, as probably everyone is, that this is the first most obvious step to make article editing more accessible, and address certain inclusiveness goals. I am also aware that there is no data to support the theory that a visual editor means more inclusive editing,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An idea that may improve Wikipedia's fundraising

2013-08-06 Thread Richard Farmbrough
enwiki-20130708-pages-articles.xml.bz2 9.3 GB - a double sided single layer DVD (9.4gb). The images would be more challenging. On 06/08/2013 17:52, Kevin Wayne Williams wrote: More like a complete set of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

2013-08-03 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Rui (and list) there is a myth about articles that are sacrosanct - which is not to say that there aren't such articles, though the examples you gave don't stand up to much scrutiny. It would be useful to conduct some research on the whole corpus to evaluate this hypothesis and give some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-05 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Trademark protection has benefits for both parties, but primarily the consumer. There is little point protecting our neutrality, for example, if our identity can be hijacked to make vested recommendations. On 05/06/2013 15:58, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: Le 2013-06-04 19:25, George Herbert a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices)

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Yes there is some data on templating in a research paper somewhere, and some more on a/b template runs. But the solution is not trivial. I have stuck up for a few editors who appear to be children, suggesting that we treat them a little more gently, only to be told that they are in fact

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Yes, of course - why didn't we think of that? Actually the lack of rules and lack of punishments means (meant) it was bloody hard to game the system. Now we have a calcified set of rules and an oligarchy, passive-aggressives have a field day. Rules-lawyers abound, polite requests to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

2013-01-14 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Of course any effort to make article source more readable meets with opposition - in the case of references in particular. And not only from those who cite CITEVAR legitimately, but from at least one admin who will block for putting references in numerical order. These are the sorts of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Free speech in the US is, I believe, generally considered to exclude both fighting words and shouting fire in a crowded theatre. On 20/09/2012 04:56, Fred Bauder wrote: I think any laws should be couched in terms of damaging foreign relations or inciting to riot. I'm not sure they would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] #switch limits

2012-09-24 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Attempts to de-switch templates are resisted at every turn by folk who have CS 101. :-P On 21/09/2012 05:14, Steven Walling wrote: Template authors on any and every wiki, this one's for you. ;) -- Forwarded message -- From: Tim Starling Date: Thu, Sep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia redefined -- typography and UX and such

2012-08-16 Thread Richard Farmbrough
Apart from using a vandalized version of [[Pyramid]] and a graphically horrendous capital I, there are some nice elements in a generally good layout. The key improvement needed (and WAP has made this evident to more people) is to stop wasting real estate on more and more nested top bars and