Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the purpose of the Wikimedia mailinglist

2017-08-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Gerard You raise some interesting points. I quite agree that this list is a useful venue where one can discuss overarching strategic issues and where senior WMF staff and trustees are able to engage with community members about those issues. I myself have had some quite productive discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
supporting volunteer content contributors, such as purchasing books, journal and library subscriptions and so forth. Redmond On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Jimmy Wales <jimmywa...@wikia-inc.com> wrote: > On 8/21/17 6:48 PM, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > > I'm know that the WMF has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

2017-08-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Then perhaps the blog posts were over-enthusiastic. There is a current discussion on this topic at the English-language Wikipedia, but not at the link Andrew gave: it is at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

2017-08-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
edia Foundation role in these areas. Please > take this discussion to the proper places on Wikipedia [[ > Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news]] and/or Wikinews. > > Thanks. > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 4:54 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ords were very carefully chosen. > > > > And I stand by them. > > > > Seddon > > > > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:25 PM, Rogol Domedonfors < > domedonf...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Joseph > > > > > > I chose

[Wikimedia-l] News on Wkipedia

2017-08-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
In a recent blog post, "No, we’re not in a post-fact world. On Wikipedia, facts matter.", the Foundation referred to Wikipedia editors"sharing breaking news in record time". It is true that the English-language Wikipedia is increasingly carrying articles about newsworthy events, and this in spite

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna Thank you for your thoughtful response -- I regret that numerous other posters have not chosen to take the same approach. You are quite right that I believe the the Foundation and its projects need radical change -- revolution if you will -- to become successful. I do not dispute the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dan Actually, being insulted and falsely accused of generalised misconduct by a paid employee of the Foundation who has failed to read my post correctly is what I call unconstructive behaviour. But perhaps that is what you expect the donors money to be spent on. Roald On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Joseph I chose my wording quite carefully, and suggest that you do so too. I said that the proposal "involves", not "is equal to" real-life identity To the extent that real-life identities are involved, it is reasonable to ask how that personal information is going to be handled. For some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Joseph, On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:40 PM, you wrote: > Rogol you yet again misrepresent what has been stated. If you believe that I have misrepresented some statement on this list, by all means quote me directly and explain your belief. A general statement of this nature coupled with a vague

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
One proposal involves posters being asked to verify their real-life identity to the list moderators. Perhaps the moderators will supplement that proposal with a description of the forms of identification they would require, and privacy policy that they would apply to protect such information.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ommunity and stability. > > Could you explain? > > Seddon > > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Lisa > > > > Thanks anyway. Perhaps one of the members of the Board will comment, in > > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Lisa Thanks for that explanation. If it had already been decided to contribute the $5M to the Endowment before the offer of matching funds, then there would be no appearance of the offer influencing the Board's decision. Can you confirm that was the case? But the main point of my question to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
t; Try to read it from a different perspective. Before donating *lots* of > > money donor wants to be sure WMF will be truly committed in pursuing the > > plan of an endowment. Putting the same amount of money is a prove, for > > donors, WMF truly wants to create an endow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on public domain works

2017-08-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
t; Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on public domain works

2017-08-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Fae, You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect understanding or is consciously committing "copyfraud". Have you made any attempts whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to find what their

[Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I was surprised to read the record https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Approval_of_Endowment_funding_(Fiscal_Year_2016-2017)_and_matching_$5_million_gift_from_Peter_Baldwin_and_Lisbet_Rausing of the decision to place $5M into the endowment. After the anouncement by Lisa Gruwell on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ot;simply not > so". > > > On 11 Aug 2017 11:52, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Is it not rather late to be discussing what "knowledge" might be, towards > > the end of the second decade of a mission to bring the s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Is it not rather late to be discussing what "knowledge" might be, towards the end of the second decade of a mission to bring the sum of human knowledge to the world, and in the middle of a major effort to determine the strategy of the movement into its third and fourth decades? Surely by now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chief Product Officer search and job description

2017-08-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, If you allow yourself to think that on time and on budget are optional, then you will certainly not get them. I would expect the WMF to aspire to deliver products that are fit for purpose, on time and on budget. I would also expect the staff and, especially, management to be held

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on Wikimédia France

2017-08-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ight negatively impact the work or > image of the Wikimedia Foundation," and are revocable upon three > months notice. > > > On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > If the Foundation is seen to be directing the activities of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Is it wise for the Foundation to be seen to controlling content in this way? Would that not jeopardise their legal immunity? "Rogol" On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Sam Wilson wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, at 06:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom)

2017-07-30 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
views and needs of our users and our contributors. > > Best regards, > > Victoria > > > > > On Jul 29, 2017, at 11:12 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Victoria > > > > Thanks you for your prompt and full rep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Wikimedia Technical Committee (TechCom)

2017-07-30 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
mmittee and its charter and take questions. > > Best, > > > Victoria > > > > On Jul 29, 2017, at 2:17 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Victoria > > > > Thanks for that. I am sure we all welcome the new Committee.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
getting read. > > Thanks, > Fae > > On 28 July 2017 at 21:49, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Fae, > > > > That single sentence does not express "the issue" as I am sure you are > well > > aware. I imagine it does not entirely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
er-excited claims of "fraudulent" conduct and it would be wise to actually find out what the BM's stance is before criticising it, or calling for social media campaigns to change it. "Rogol" On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 28 July 201

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyfraud by the British Museum

2017-07-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
. I'm even happy to have a chat over the phone as part of > taking steps to ensure that this exhibition is fixed, and cannot > reoccur in the display of future loans. > > Links > 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud > > Thanks, > Fae > -- > Fae > https://meta.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement of the Scoring Platform team

2017-07-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
our plans for the next year. > There's a section right beneath that called "How to learn more and get > involved" with links to our team documentation, out technical blog, ORES' > documentation, our mailing list, and our IRC channel. > > -Aaron > > On Sun, Jul 23, 2017 at 3:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-07-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine It is for the Board members, collectively and individually, to oversee the management and affairs of the Foundation. You should ask them as Trustees to comment. I myself have had little success in that direction, but perhaps you will do better. However, the staff of the Foundation are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement of the Scoring Platform team

2017-07-23 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
wrote: > Rogol, you might want to look at the history of Aaron's talk pages and > e.g. on Jimbotalk and various places on meta. He's been incredibly > receptive to suggestions and ideas from the community, moreso than > perhaps any other Foundation employee. > > > On S

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement of the Scoring Platform team

2017-07-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Aaron, You write of "Democratizing access to AI." But it seems that what you mean is publishing the results of your work more widely. Do you have plan to democratize in the sense of involving a wider range of people in the decisions about how you work and what you work on – the wider Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for your thoughts on the Wikimedia Foundation election cycle

2017-07-14 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Joe, You don't mean "election" when it comes to the Board, unless you mean "election to the position of being considered for appointment by the Board". Unless and until those positions are either truly directly elected by the Community, or the Board commits itself to appointing whomsoever the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Publicpolicy] Wikimedia Sverige vs. the Visual Copyright Society in Sweden (BUS)

2017-07-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
As I undestand it, the Swedish Supreme Court determined the general principles of law involved and remitted the case back to the Patent and Market Court to resolve the specific issues between the parties. "Rogol" On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy

2017-07-07 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Chris On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, you wrote: > > Whether the staff concerned feel it's a good use of their time to respond > in detail on Meta or on this email list, who knows. There is always a > judgement call to be made about what it's helpful for staff to spend their > time replying to.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2014–16 audit of the WMF communications strategy

2017-07-07 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Chris Your points 1: Surely the audit is of interest to those with whom the Foundation wishes to communicate, which includes the donors, who are paying for it, and the volunteers, whose work is being presented to the world at large in ways that might not always be consistent with their values and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
peak for the entire community. Plenty of us thought that > their response was quite clear. > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Greg and Anna > > > > This is a most interesting response and illustrates very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ement strategy is > because the insights they are bringing forward are so rich we think we all > need more time to reflect upon them and integrate them into all existing > community discussions. > > For the on-wiki team: > >- We invested into ongoing translation in 17 la

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Robert, Budget control is not just accounting. When a process that employs a lot of staff and contractor time was planned to take some period of time and is then extended, then yes, that is a reason to ask about control of costs. Anna alludes to one method of budget control – "We have plenty of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board of the Wikimedia Foundation

2017-06-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
t 11:14 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl> wrote: > I think we should have those channels, once the body is constituted. > > Best > > Dj > > On Jun 26, 2017 19:59, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dariusz

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board of the Wikimedia Foundation

2017-06-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
#Advisory_Board > [2] > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > Board_Governance_Committee/Minutes_13-04-2017 > > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Craig > > > > Thanks for your thou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board of the Wikimedia Foundation

2017-06-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
at of anyone interested in this subject. > Thanks! > > > Craig Newmark, founder craigslist > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > This Board was fomed in 2007 to advise the Wikimedia Foundation, and w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] June 23: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#19)

2017-06-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
This is not surprising, when the Foundation and all the external consultants advising it on this exercise are all US-based. On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Leinonen Teemu wrote: > Hej, > > Gerard made some very important points. My observation (not an opinion :-) > is

[Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board of the Wikimedia Foundation

2017-06-24 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
This Board was fomed in 2007 to advise the Wikimedia Foundation, and was required to be renewed annually. No resolution was made to do so in 2015, so by the beginning of 2016 it had lapsed. This status is reflected at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Advisory_Board but the corresponding page at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join the WikidataCon, 28-29 October in Berlin

2017-06-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
for how to deal with breaches, which the organisers and others are required to adhere to. "Rogol" On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > Why would it be and how does that make a difference? > Thanks, > GerardM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join the WikidataCon, 28-29 October in Berlin

2017-06-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I assume this conference will be considered a "Wikimedia technical event" and as such it will fall under the jurisdiction of the Code of Conduct ( https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct) and its Committee? On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Shani Evenstein wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ng <tstarl...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On 19/06/17 16:20, Rogol Domedonfors wrote: > > I quite agree that Phabricator is not suitable for these discussions. > > Perhaps Tim would like to say where and how discussions between the > > Community and Foundation staff about the need for, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I quite agree that Phabricator is not suitable for these discussions. Perhaps Tim would like to say where and how discussions between the Community and Foundation staff about the need for, and desirability of, projects like this should be held. After all, we all want projects to go ahead on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] June 2017 agenda of the Board of Trustees

2017-06-17 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I would agree that it is a good idea for the Board to be discussing transfers to the Endowment but perhaps not for the same reasons as SJ. The money raised by the Foundation has been given by donors, usually in small amounts, to the Foundation where it is administered by the Board as Trustees

Re: [Wikimedia-l] James Heilman joins the Board Governance Committee as a volunteer and advisory member

2017-06-17 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Of course there is a doubt. The Community runs a process which for presentational purposes is called an election, but only to put forward potential new Borard members. The appointment is entirely in the hands of the Board. They can accept or reject the names put forward by the Community, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] June 2017 agenda of the Board of Trustees

2017-06-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, I think the first step in this direction is for the Board to decide whether or not they wish to engage with the Community in this way – whether they have the time, energy and bandwidth to handle such communications, and whether they see the reward as commensurate with the investment. So

Re: [Wikimedia-l] James Heilman joins the Board Governance Committee as a volunteer and advisory member

2017-06-15 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James Do you have a position or preliminary views you would like to share with the community about Board Governance? Is there anything specific you will be seeking to look into, or change, or start, or stop. Are there areas for improvement or is everything fine? In particular, do you think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WFM 91.7 FM becomes our broadcasting partner in Nigeria

2017-06-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Would it be possible to point to an explanation of what this partnership means in practical terms, please? What will actually happen now that would not have happened before, and how will it be funded? On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Changes to Product and Technology departments at the Foundation

2017-06-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Thanks for explaining that. You said that two of the main goals were "to improve our engagement with the community during product development, develop a more audience-based approach to building products", and yet you do not mention any discussion with people outside the organisation over their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chief Communications Officer search & job description

2017-05-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine I agree with Risker that it would be improper to select candidates on the basis of their own personal political views. But I do agree with your point that expertise in the field of party-political camapigning would not be an appropriate criterion for the post of CCO. "Rogol" On Sun, May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2015-2016 now on-wiki

2017-05-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Andreas, Page 52 reports that Moeller received $208,306 in severance: that seems to be a year's salary. There is no stated reason for the payment. "Rogol" On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Tony Le

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mozilla, funded by advertisers, starts opposing privacy regulations

2017-05-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
g companies. If you have any reason to believe otherwise, > please say so. > > Secondly, where did you find that mission statement you quoted? It is > not the one at https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement > > > On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:02 AM, Rogol Dom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mozilla, funded by advertisers, starts opposing privacy regulations

2017-05-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James, Could you articulate how, in your view, the implementation of the proposed directive, or otherwise, would affect the Wikimedia Foundation's mission of "encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free, multilingual, educational content, and to providing the full content of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Results of the 2017 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

2017-05-22 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Indeed. It would be appropriate for members of the Board to state now, in public and for the record, that they accept the democratically expressed wishes of the community and will reappoint James at the due time. On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:18 AM, MZMcBride wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

2017-05-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
One billion dollars, judiciously invested, is an income of present-day value around 20 to 30 million dollars a year for ever. That would buy any of the following * One reasonably expensive book per month for every one of the 30,000 most active content contributors for ever * 300 full-time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Widespread perfomance issues

2017-05-15 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Faidon Do you believe that your recovery plan was adequate or will you be reviewing it in the light of this widespread outage? "Rogol" On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Faidon Liambotis wrote: > Hi Cristian, > > We've had some network connectivity issues with one of our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
on meta. > > On 29 Apr 2017 20:41, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > James > > > > If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your > > statement is both meaningless and ineffect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James If you cannot say who "We" are who do not support terrorism, then your statement is both meaningless and ineffectual. If you are specific, then "we" need to know why you feel able to speak for "us". "Rogol" On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 8:33 PM, James Heilman wrote: > @

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [PRESS] Turkish authorities block Wikipedia

2017-04-29 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Presumably the WMF will be taking prompt, strong and effective action to protest against and reverse this decision? A case in the Constitutional Court, for example? "Rogol" On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Mardetanha wrote: > more info >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "News Integrity Initiative" at CUNY

2017-04-27 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Will the Foundation be seeking to join in the initiative and possibly secure some funding to support and enhance the Wikinews projects? It seems that some of the supporters of this project are already donors to the Foundation, so there is a pre-existing relationship. "Rogol" On Wed, Apr 5, 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jimmy I support this suggestion. The Wikitribune trademark is assigned to Jimmy Group Ltd, a company in which all the shares are owned by you – it is a conventional commercial operation of which you are the owner. Its activities directly overlap with one of the Foundations projects, Wikinews,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Election Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Jonathan, Thanks, but I think this is a Board issue, and that the Board Governance Committee should be invited to consider it. However, as I'm sure you are well aware, real names are required in a wide variety of contexts. It is the extent to which they are made public that differs. "Rogol"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Adrian On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:08 AM, you wrote: > [...] your usual > MO of presenting ideas that only you care about is, yet again, unhelpful > here. > This is both aggressive and fallacious. At least one other person cared enough about this issue to post a polite, thoughtful and reasoned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-09 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
t_for_nonpublic_ > information > > Best regards, > antanana / Nataliia Tymkiv > > *NOTICE: You may have received this message outside of your normal working > hours/days, as I usually can work more as a volunteer during weekend. You > should not feel obligated to answer it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updates regarding the Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Nataliiya, Thank you for that information. It seems that you are happy to introduce the new members of this Committee to the community under pseudonyms. I suggested at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee back in July 2016 that, considering that this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "News Integrity Initiative" at CUNY

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On a related note, the Foundation Blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/04/07/misinfocon-fake-news/ proudly announces that "the Wikimedia Foundation joined a handful of media organization at the MIT Media Lab to lend their expertise at MisInfoCon". That's certainly good to hear, but a little short

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2017 versus movement strategy

2017-04-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > [...] On the Russian Wikivoyage, all of our active partipants produced > a document, to be told by the facilitator that this is not what WMF wants > to see. > This does not strike me as a description of what a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-21 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Dan, On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:24 PM, you wrote: > > Please do not twist my words. I said technical considerations are relevant, > not that customer needs do not come first. If something is incredibly > difficult to do, that is factored in to prioritisation, alongside the size > of the audience

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Status of the Code of Conduct for technical spaces

2017-03-19 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
"Jethro" On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 8:15 PM, you wrote: > Well, folks are free to ignore invitations to comment; there are indeed a > lot of discussion notices for various matters, so I don't blame them if > they world rather volunteer their time in other places. > > But they cannot then also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off: Changes to the Timeline

2017-03-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Christophe Thanks for that. You write we are actively working on trying to reduce > the mandatory time board members have to allocate to WMF. Goal is between > this year and next year to lower it down to what we benchmarked as average > (and I can't find the number again, I'll dig into that).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Board Recruitment Kick-Off: Changes to the Timeline

2017-03-18 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, By the same argument, then, the Foundation should be compensating the unpaid volunteers who actually create the content of the projects, and supporting them with the tools and resources they need to do that work. "Rogol" On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 2:52 AM, Pine W wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation supports legal challenge to new travel-related executive order

2017-03-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Michelle On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:11 PM, you wrote: > [...] > > The Wikimedia Foundation continuously monitors events around the world that > may impact the Foundation’s ability to support the projects and > communities. When that capacity is threatened, as in the case of these > travel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] dmoz.org

2017-03-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It might be as well to understand why ODP folded and whether there is likely to be volunteer effort available for its continuation before spending time effort and money on reconstituting it as a WMF project. "Rogol" On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:56 PM, James Heilman wrote: > IMO

Re: [Wikimedia-l] dmoz.org

2017-03-12 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I wonder if there's a lesson for other knowledge projects here ... "Rogol" On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 8:03 AM, carl hansen wrote: > I see dmoz.org is going offline in few days after a couple decades. It is > a > community-written project. Will it be absorbed into

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-11 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I am surprised that this discussion would be held now, *after* the work has been done. Was it really not possible to plan ahead and have this discussion before doing work that might turn out to be wasted? Was it really so hard to predict this difficulty? Who was in charge? "Rogol" On Sat, Mar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-08 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
l/2017- > March/086699.html > > [2] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T151798 > > [3] https://annual.wikimedia.org/2016/consider-the-facts.html > > [4] http://www.e-unwto.org/doi/pdf/10.18111/9789284418145 > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:47 PM, James Salsman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-07 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:10 AM, you wrote: > > Do you think remaining politically neutral is compatible with > remaining accurate? > I would say yes. Let me put two converse questions to you. Do you believe truth and accuracy are to be found only at one ppint on the spectrum of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] March 2: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#9)

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Katherine At some point it would be interesting to learn how the external consultants were selected. I note, for example, that Lake Associates describes itself as working "side by side with our clients on developing communications and paid media, targeting supporters, and honing the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
eement. :( > > Regards, > > Yann > > > 2017-03-05 15:30 GMT+01:00 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com>: > > > Am looking into options. Am going to be discussing things with a lawyer. > > Might be good to have a number of Wikipedians involved and will ask him. > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-05 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 11:45 PM, you wrote: > [...] > > The way that you phrase your questions sometimes comes across to me as > having an edge than is more confrontational than I think is necessary, and > I am finding the tone to be a distraction from what is, I think, our mutual > goal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
James, that's very helpful and I see at least one book on that list that violates the licence, and hence breaches my copyright, in content that I wrote. What's the best way forward? Should the WMF represent the community by engaging directly with the company responsible? Or should it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
s the relevant Community is here now on this very list, > > which is an extremely questionable assumption. As has been noted ad > > nauseam already. At this point this thread appears hard to distinguish > > from forum shopping. > > > > On 2 March 2017 at 1

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna Thanks. "Rogol" On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hey Rogol, > I think Zach's email (above / March 2nd) describes the changes. > /a > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:35 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-04 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine We were asked for help. I posted a message asking how we could help in this process. We got a reply saying the process "already took place". I interpret that as meaning that our help is not needed after all. Perhaps you read it differently. I don't think that makes my response, or yours

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ges in good faith. > > Have a lovely weekend. I really need a break. > Warmly, > /a > > On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Anna, > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM, you wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-03 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Anna, On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:46 AM, you wrote: > [...] > And I'm struggling with a process problem (not one of substance) that I > don't know how to solve. I truly don't. And it's kind of killing me. > > We (people who work and volunteer at the WMF) need a way to get feedback. > We need a way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps we could refer this question to the Advancement department. Does appealing for money for one thing and spending it on another damage the Foundation's ability to raise funds in the future? On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:13 PM, James Salsman wrote: > > politics damages our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
> > On 2 March 2017 at 17:16, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm not asking Matt. I'm asking the Community – here, now, on this very > > list. > > > > "Rogol" > > > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Pine W <w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-02 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
ly on the relevant talk page. > > I'm well aware of the challenges with the TCoC, but let's not make it more > difficult than it is already, OK? > > Pine > > > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Rogol Domedonfors <domedonf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >

[Wikimedia-l] Is the Code of Conduct in force?

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Matt Flaschen has declared the final amendment to the code of conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces approved and although he has not said so explicitly, I assume that his current position is that it is now in force. Even asuming that is correct, and previous consensus was against that, andI there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine, Recall that the Foundation have rewritten their values to include "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world.", see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Values/2016_discussion/Synthesis The previous version

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-01 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
It seems to be in line with the new Values statement: "we seek to continually improve ourselves, our projects, our communities, our world". Of course that's political. "Rogol" On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > I didn't see the banner, but the page

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-28 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
So is there a Community RFC or not? If so, where? "Rogol" On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Pine W wrote: > As I'm looking at that talk page, I see a situation which looks like no one > will "win", which is the opposite of how I would like discussions about > policy to go

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Perhaps this need for use cases was addressed in the "report" which the staff commissioned from consultants over a year ago but which was never shared with the community at large – assuming that it was ever produced. "Rogol" On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Isarra Yos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
I don't think the WMF is "trying to exempt itself from its own creation", it is simpy giving its own staff a privileged position within it. Anyone who makes a complaint against a member of staff will have the privacy of their complaint breached by having details sent to the WMF with its millions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposal for regular surveys of community opinion

2017-02-25 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
An interesting idea, and if it reduces the survey load on the community that would be good. But one should never survey for the sake of it. Any proposed survey question should be able to meet the test "What will you do with the answer to this question?" In my experience, the response to that is

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