Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Sam Wilson
Jitsi is also integrated into Riot (the Matrix client). I was in a group 
trying it out a couple of weeks ago, and it worked really well. If there 
are two people in a room, it uses a direct connection, and if there are 
three or more it uses Jitsi (both inside the Riot interface, so there's 
no need to set up separate URLs or anything).



On 11/3/20 12:22 am, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote:

I am a big fan of open source, and setting up a Jitsi conference is a
solution that I often default too (with a bonus of having the possibility
to have easy placeholders, e.g. meet.jit.si/WikimediaSummit

best,

dj

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:05 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:


For a setting with a lot of presentations and questions Zoom should work
fine


https://zoom.us/?zcid=2314=359453254254=%2Bzoom%20online%20%2Bmeeting=b=g=c=EAIaIQobChMIsI2o0JaQ6AIVBc13Ch0VxwqZEAAYASAAEgJs0_D_BwE

but of course it would not provide any interaction between participants.

Best
Yaroslav

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:59 PM WereSpielChequers <
werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:


At last Sunday's London Meetup we discussed the situation and while not
wanting to seem over cautious (we were of course the dozen who'd decided

to

attend). We realised that there was a good chance that the April and even
May meetings might need to go virtual.

Is there a recommended software solution for video/audio conferencing a
dozen to twenty people?

I took part in some not the wikipedia Weekly podcasts almost a decade

ago,

but i'm assuming the technology has progressed since then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Not_The_Wikipedia_Weekly

Regards

WSC

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Dariusz Jemielniak)
2. Re: 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open (Gnangarra)


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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:48:48 -0400
From: Dariusz Jemielniak 
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open
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Hi,

I believe it likely is too early to make a decision. We have a

professional

team at the WMF monitoring the situation, but the date is still 5

months

in

the future.

It is reasonable to expect that we may need to make adjustments to the
situation as it develops and in 2-3 months it will be much clearer

where

we

stand.

For now, I think it is already fair to say that the WMF leadership is

not

shying away from difficult decisions (the summit cancellation, closing

down

the office, canceling international travel for staff) and clearly
prioritizes our safety.

I trust the judgment of our staff when they communicate clearly that

they

are considering all options and will.make a decision in due time.

Best,

Dj "pundit"

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020, 00:45 Rehman Abubakr 
wrote:


I too have cancelled all personal/work/wiki travel plans. The risks

are

far too great.

A single infection at the conference, depending on who/where, has the
potential to cause significant damage to the Movement.

I understand the sheer effort that has already been put, but I

strongly

hope the Foundation will postpone the conference or cancel this

year's

conference for the safety of the volunteers, and to prevent the risk

of

spreading it to more parts of the world.



Yours truly,

Rehman


From: Wikimedia-l  on

behalf

of

James Heilman 
Sent: 09 March 2020 22:51
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

 From a personal perspective, I have cancelled all future travel plans

and

have requested that everyone I work with do the same. I am of course

in

healthcare. Please note that this is not official advise.

James

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:48 AM Toni Ristovski <

toni91ehrl...@gmail.com

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-24 Thread Sam Wilson
Peter,

Fair enough, I agree that the idea that Wikimedia would have been a
success if it'd be made commercial is crazy. "Has it crossed my mind how
much we could have made if it had ads? Sure. But it wouldn’t be the
same." reads to me as just a hypothetical "if it were as it is today
*and* had ads", rather than any serious suggestion that that would ever
have been the case. I reckon it makes sense to the non-editor people
it's aimed at.

Anyway, about my grammar nickpicking? ;-)

—Sam

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, at 05:06 PM, Peter Southwood wrote:
> Sam,
> I can't get back to the banner for some reason, so I risk misquoting it.
> Please take this into account.
> What I find offensive is the implication that the foundation would even
> have Wikipedia if they were doing it commercially. I and a significant
> number of other contributors would not have helped make it what it is
> today if it had been a commercial site. To support this opinion, there do
> not appear to be any commercial projects of this type even vaguely
> approaching the success of Wikipedia. The banner implies that there would
> be a roughly equivalent project available to sell. This I find offensive
> as it denigrates the voluntary contributions done by all the unpaid
> contributors.
> I see this as misrepresentation and disrespect to the crowd that is the
> source of the product, therefore offensive.
> It is possible that I am alone in this opinion, but I suggest that a
> survey of the people who actually created and maintain the content of
> Wikipedia would show that I am not. 
> At this point, I suggest that WMF do just that, run a survey to find out
> who builds the encyclopaedia, and how they feel about this. The golden
> rule of crowdsourcing is don’t alienate the crowd, especially when they
> are doing your work for free. The one thing we ask in return for our work
> is a little recognition and respect, and to know that we do a thing
> intrinsically worth doing. Again, I realise I do not necessarily speak
> for everyone, but suspect that I speak for many.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Sam Wilson
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:26 AM
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up
> 
> "Offensive" seems a bit over the top! Who's it offending? Seems pretty
> okay to me, personally. :-)
> 
> Anyway, the only thing I notice with it is that it starts with "We
> will..." and then says "When I made..." etc. Shouldn't these pronouns
> agree?
> 
> —Sam.
> 
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, at 04:07 PM, Peter Southwood wrote:
> > The old style is excessively large and in your face. The new style is 
> > almost, but not quite as bad. The content remains offensive and 
> > misleading Cheers, Peter
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On 
> > Behalf Of Joseph Seddon
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:02 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up
> > 
> > Hey Wikimedia-l
> > 
> > Apologies for the short notice.
> > 
> > I wanted to give you a heads up on a banner test that will soon be 
> > going live.
> > 
> > We've been working on a new style of banner that is specifically 
> > designed to have the same native look and feel as the rest of the site 
> > and interface. It's intended to be understated and you'll see is very 
> > different to our currently best performing banner:
> > 
> > Current:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C_d
> > sk_p1_lg_dsn_cnt=1=US=QA
> > 
> > New Native feel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_dsn_native=1=US=QA
> > 
> > Any feedback is welcome.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-24 Thread Sam Wilson
"Offensive" seems a bit over the top! Who's it offending? Seems pretty
okay to me, personally. :-)

Anyway, the only thing I notice with it is that it starts with "We
will..." and then says "When I made..." etc. Shouldn't these pronouns
agree?

—Sam.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, at 04:07 PM, Peter Southwood wrote:
> The old style is excessively large and in your face. The new style is
> almost, but not quite as bad. The content remains offensive and
> misleading
> Cheers,
> Peter
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf Of Joseph Seddon
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 5:02 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up
> 
> Hey Wikimedia-l
> 
> Apologies for the short notice.
> 
> I wanted to give you a heads up on a banner test that will soon be going
> live.
> 
> We've been working on a new style of banner that is specifically designed
> to have the same native look and feel as the rest of the site and
> interface. It's intended to be understated and you'll see is very
> different to our currently best performing banner:
> 
> Current:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_dsn_cnt=1=US=QA
> 
> New Native feel:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein?banner=B1718_0823_en6C_dsk_p1_lg_dsn_native=1=US=QA
> 
> Any feedback is welcome.
> 
> Regards
> 
> --
> Seddon
> 
> *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* *Wikimedia Foundation*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Sam Wilson
On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, at 06:53 AM, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Todd Allen  wrote:
> 
> >  I'd definitely agree there. There are a few non-negotiable points (NPOV,
> > copyright and licensing, nonfree content, etc.), but outside those,
> > individual projects generally have latitude to run things as their
> > community needs.
> 
> 
> ​The English Wikivoyage has a "Be fair" policy, which is explicitly
> different from NPOV [0].​ Copyright also varies from wiki to wiki, as
> fair
> use for non-free content on the English Wikipedia exemplifies [1].
> 

And English Wikiversity (and maybe other Wikiversities?) allows original
research (within certain guidelines).

—Sam

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