Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feedback requested] Taxonomy of knowledge gaps

2020-09-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you Leila -- I appreciate the reflection and the update here.  The
paper is thorough and methodical in its approach, which makes it easier for
me to see a problem (for my own ideas):

I don't see a focus on the primary tremendous *gaps *-- which for content
is depth + breadth + freshness, and for contributors is reach, and for
readers is reach in much of the world.
I do see an excellent discussion of systemic *bias*, but mostly treated as
*static* bias of what is there, and less *dynamic* bias of what we exclude
or disallow or discourage.

I left detailed feedback on meta
.
I would welcome any help in aligning the way I think about this w/  your
work (if that's desired).
Perhaps best to address there, since it is all about refactoring and may
benefit from that.  But I am posting the heart of it below for completeness:

===
Here are the first things I think of around coverage gaps.  Only the 0th
item seems to directly fit the current taxonomy...

0) exclusion via lack of awareness, interest, or expertise
1) exclusion via deletionism
2) exclusion via topic notability norms (including pop culture + current
events)
3) exclusion via source notability + limiting source formats
4) exclusion via license pessimism
5) exclusion via file format (!) and codec pessimism
6) exclusion of dense specialist knowledge via review bottlenecks
7) exclusion via knowledge type [model, dataset, map layer]
8) exclusion / rejection via behavior on the projects
9) exclusion / rejection under 1-4 via differential application of policy

Some of these, like file-format and review-bottleneck exclusion, are
primarily technical restrictions.
Some of these, like the first ~4 above, are social+regulatory+technical
restrictions that could be alleviated with simple tools (including
extensions, alternatives, and sandboxes) -- just as nupedia's social
restrictions were alleviated w/ the technical solution of a wiki for the
drafting stage.
And the last two are purely social restrictions, projecting systemic bias
in the community of practice onto who joins and what contributions are
welcomed. I'd like to see that subset of gaps addressed directly, and not
split up across other parts of a taxonomy.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustees elections, membership, quorum, and

2020-09-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Can anyone from the elections committee comment?  What is the current
plan?//S

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 8:05 PM Bill Takatoshi 
wrote:

> How long can the Foundation legally postpone Board of Trustees elections?
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2020#Postpone
> ?
> has a comment from April saying, "Once things get moving again,
> appopriate [sic] date for the election will be decided and an
> announcement will be made."
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees#Current_members
> suggests that five board members terms end on "Wikimania 2020" -- but
> is that accurate?
>
>
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Term_Limit_Proposal_for_Bylaws
> is clear that "All Board terms are three years" and "the term of each
> such appointment shall not exceed three years."
>
> Who are the current members of the Board of Trustees?
>
> Can the board achieve a quorum in its present state?
>
> Who is the Chair currently?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] Introducing a new risk assessment tool and guidelines for in person gatherings

2020-09-14 Thread Samuel Klein
d to the day when we can all gather again and celebrate our work
> and our communities.  Until then, stay safe and take care.
>
> Janeen Uzzell,
>
> Chief Operating Officer
>
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> PS. A copy of this message is available on Meta-Wiki for translation:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=6726
>
> [1] Meta-Wiki page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Risk_assessment_during_COVID-19
>
> [2] Eligibility criteria:
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hi5DpUOf10OcWiWWh3_RhyNquubLbeMkVMjWDnUCFkY/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> [3] Risk Assessment Tool:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B96k62CHCFcFvoLVo7Fy0oxH751hY6sV3mVKWgArJR4/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> [4] Matrix results framework:
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12wdqo2vwcdSwHQsfH_Ox5W9pgjdjEpOOu4IrEctj_xA/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> [5] Grants Main Page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Start
>
> [6] Checklist of guidelines :
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1biJh-dxu_Wj3Qbm_wGiGVRcnCLtbnneLzG381KPYA3c/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
> [7] Meta-Wiki talk page:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:Risk_assessment_during_COVID-19
>
>
> --
>
> --
>
>
>
> *Jáneen Uzzell*
>
> Chief Operating Officer
>
> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [feedback requested] Taxonomy of knowledge gaps

2020-09-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Wow.  Thanks for doing this.
 a) did you mine emijrp's subconscious yet?
 b) what meta-gaps are you aware of (areas where the gap analysis itself
might have blind spots)
 c) this seems appropriate for a wikijournal
 of knowledge...

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On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:48 PM Leila Zia  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I hope this email finds you well.
>
> I'm reaching out to let you know that the Research team [1] at the
> Wikimedia Foundation has been working on developing a taxonomy of
> knowledge gaps for the Wikimedia projects. We now have the first draft
> of the taxonomy ready and we're seeking your input to improve it.
>
> ==Why are we contacting you?==
> The taxonomy of knowledge gaps aims to be a high level representation
> and grouping of the different knowledge gaps Wikimedia projects face
> today. Each of you, whether you are a volunteer editor, patroller,
> organizer, affiliate, etc. have valuable on the ground knowledge of
> the different types of knowledge gaps. We believe it's important to
> hear from you before we finalize the taxonomy.
>
> ==Material==
> The material you may need to review is listed at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Knowledge_Gaps_Index/Taxonomy#Learn_more
> !
> . I will list them below as well, for archive completeness:
>
> * A summary of the taxonomy and motivation:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_Knowledge_Gaps_Taxonomy_Summary-and-Motivation.pdf
>
> * Full paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2008.12314
>
> * A video presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3uXA9bfvU or
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Knowledge_Gaps_Taxonomy.mp4.webm
> (same video on two platforms)
>
> ==Feedback==
> Please provide your feedback by answering the 6 questions posted at
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Knowledge_Gaps_Index/Taxonomy#Feedback_collection_September_2020
> .
>
> We're collecting feedback until 2020-09-30.
>
> ==Talk with us==
> If you have questions about the taxonomy and you'd like to talk with
> us in a synchronous set-up, we invite you to join us in the upcoming
> Research Showcase
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Research/Showcase#September_2020
> . We will have a very short presentation about it and will leave 15-20
> min for any questions you may have. We are also happy to set up more
> time to answer your questions if there is demand for it.
>
> ==Disclaimer==
> As you're going through the material we have shared with you, you will
> see imperfections and rooms for improvement. I acknowledge that they
> exist and they may be numerous. We could spend another month and
> improve the documents. We made the call to not let perfect be the
> enemy of good. Please keep that in mind, assume good faith, and ask
> questions if any part of what you read is not clear to you. We're here
> to engage and answer your questions, and ultimately learn about your
> perspective.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Leila, on behalf of
> Martin Gerlach, Research Scientist, WMF
> Isaac Johnson, Research Scientist, WMF
> Miriam Redi, Senior Research Scientist, WMF
> Leila Zia, Head of Research, WMF
>
> [1] https://research.wikimedia.org/team.html
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-09 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear anonymus,

The problem starts when the administrators who are called to
> perform those rules are the harrashers themselves and don' t get punished.
>

A code of conduct should preempt this.


> For example [users who can] fly under the rader and be likeable.

[users who] run the annual contests in wikipedia or doing other wikimedia
> jobs...

is the code of contact going to apply as well?


Yes.  That is the point.

S
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Patrick + all.  It looks like most discussion is happening on Meta,
which seems fitting.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:18 PM Patrick Earley  wrote:

> Hello, everyone.
>
> We are excited to share a draft of the Universal Code of Conduct
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, which the
> Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees called for earlier this year
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
> >,
> for your review and feedback. The discussion will be open until October 6,
> 2020.
>
> The UCoC Drafting Committee
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> >wants
> to learn which parts of the draft would present challenges for you or your
> work. What is missing from this draft? What do you like, and what could be
> improved?
>
>
> Many thanks to the Committee, and everyone who has helped with translations
> so far.
>
>
> Please join the conversation
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review>
> and share this email with others who may be interested to join, too.
>
> To learn more about the UCoC project, see the Universal Code of Conduct
> page
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>, and the FAQ
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ>, on Meta.
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
>
> [2]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/May_2020_-_Board_of_Trustees_on_Healthy_Community_Culture,_Inclusivity,_and_Safe_Spaces
>
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Draft_review
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/FAQ
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-08-11 Thread Samuel Klein
+100 to what Alessandro said.

Erik, to your point — yes, this should also include old books that are in
the process of relicensing, if those books have been uploaded to us by or
on behalf of a license holder, and we are confirming that and working
through related steps.

There should be no 'collaborative and transformative work' done on this
archive -- it would be for literal archiving of the materials and
clarification / updating of their metadata, until they can be moved to a
free + collaborative commons.

It helps our work to have a persistent public place (not randomly deleted
from time to time!) to discuss determining their license status, getting
formal and informal license clearance, discussions with the contributors to
refine their understanding of options, debates among ourselves about
whether a license grant was sufficient and how to obtain more clarity, 

S

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On Fri., Aug. 7, 2020, 9:35 a.m. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  We have an archive mixing different licenses now, one is Commons ranging
> from CC-0 to CC BY SA, and other ones are local Wikis sometimes including
> in their spectrum of situations many non-free files in fair use. this is
> proof that an archive hosting non-free files with other free-licensed
> information has nothing special per se. A new archive might simply be more
> clear and linear than those, since it would be designed specifically to
> handle the matter.
>
> I work in outreach the whole time, you can give me all the money you want
> to improve my productivity, but I would still use it more efficiently if I
> could have a more integrated infrastructure specifically for this issue.
> A.
>
>
> Il venerdì 7 agosto 2020, 08:52:31 CEST, Erik Moeller <
> eloque...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  On Sun, Aug 2, 2020 at 3:52 PM Samuel Klein  wrote:
>
> > I don't think we should mix NC with free-knowledge licenses .
> > I do absolutely think we should maintain an archive, visible to the
> public
> > with at most a simple hoop to jump through, of material that is offered
> to
> > us in any legal way but not yet free.
>
> Such an archive would _unavoidably_ "mix NC with free-knowledge
> licenses" -- because all collaborative and transformative work
> happening in the archive itself would be released under free knowledge
> licenses. Worse, any meaningful transformations of the archived works
> would result in derivative works that remain nonfree, directly
> enlisting volunteers in the creation of nonfree knowledge.
>
> In any event, why create an archive for works under borderline terms,
> while ignoring more restricted works that could be plausibly released
> under a free license tomorrow? Works that are nonfree for simple
> economic reasons (e.g., some old but useful textbook) may often be
> easier to "set free" than those which are nonfree for reasons of
> longstanding policy (e.g, the WHO example). Why amass the latter and
> ignore the former? I don't see how this would strengthen Wikimedia's
> free knowledge commitment, but I can easily see how it could weaken it
> considerably and very quickly, whether or not that's the intent.
>
> To be clear, I think creating free summaries and descriptions of
> nonfree works (from traditional textbooks and scientific papers to
> Khan Academy videos) is very much in line with the Wikimedia mission.
> I don't think it requires hosting the works. To the extent that there
> is concern about losing access to works that are currently available
> via public URLs, the use of Internet Archive enabled citation URLs
> provides a great example for how to avoid such link rot.
>
> I'm sure there are also plenty of tech and non-tech ways Wikimedia
> could support volunteers and chapters that work on outreach to set
> more educational works free, none of which require the creation of a
> nonfree archive.
>
> Warmly,
> Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-08-05 Thread Samuel Klein
I applaud this idea. Preferably a language family with a large community of
practice, 'minority' in the sense of coverage and support by modern tools
and scaffolding, not in the sense of limited use.

We used to have a roughly weighted list of major world languages by
(spoken, written; primary, secondary) and how well covered they were by wp
(articles, contributors).  Is there something like that still?

//S

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On Wed., Aug. 5, 2020, 3:19 p.m. C. Scott Ananian, 
wrote:

> Sorry I'm coming to this discussion a bit late, but I'd like to underline a
> slightly different aspect of the concern that Phoebe raised:
>
> > It concerns me that, at least in the high-level project proposals I've
> > seen (I haven't been tracking this closely, and haven't read the academic
> > papers) I have not yet seen discussions of ethical data, or how we might
> > think about identifying bias, or even how to recruit contributors and the
> > impact on existing contributors.
> >
>
> Using the terminology of Ibram X. Kendi (and others), I'd put this as:
> "it's not enough to not be racist, you must actively be *anti-racist*."
>
> Abstract Wikipedia is a "color blind" project.  Indeed it is often
> described as advancing WMF goals by improving the amount of content
> available for minority languages.
>
> However, it is built on a huge edifice of ML and AI technology which
> advantages majority languages and the already-powerful.
>
> As Phoebe mentioned, the subtle biases of ML translation toward majority
> views (selecting the "proper" gender pronoun for someone described as a
> "doctor" or "professor", say) are well known, and certainly deserve to be
> foregrounded from the start, as Danny has pledged to do in his response to
> Phoebe.
>
> But the infrastructure of this project is built this way from the ground
> up.  Language models for European languages are orders of magnitude better
> than language models for minority languages (if the latter exist at all).
> The same is true for ontologies and every other constructed abstraction,
> down to choices of what topics are significant enough to include in an
> abstract article---but that ground has been ably covered by Kaldari and
> others.  So let me concentrate solely on language models in the remainder
> (with some parenthetical asides, for which I hope you'll forgive me).
>
> I would like to challenge Abstract Wikipedia not only to be "not racist" or
> "color blind", but to be actively *antiracist*.  That is, instead of
> passively accepting the status quo wrt language models (& etc), to commit
> to actively supporting a language model in *at least one* minority
> language, treating it as a first-class citizen or (better) the *main*
> output of the project.  That means not just looking for "a good enough
> language model that happens not to be a European language" but *actively
> developing the language model* so that the Abstract Wikipedia project *from
> inception* has a positive effect on *at least one* community speaking a
> underrepresented language with a small Wikipedia.  (Again, WLOG this could
> apply to general AI/ML support for many many minority groups, but I'm
> sticking with "at least one" and "language model" in order to make this as
> concrete and actionable as possible.)  This of course also means committing
> to hire a speaker of that non-European language as part of the core team
> (not just an "and translations" afterthought), committing to foregrounding
> that language in demonstrations, and doing outreach and community building
> to the language group in question.  (All the mockups I've seen have been in
> German and English, and have been pitched to an English-speaking audience.)
>
> I don't think it is wise in 2020 to pretend that "colorblind" business as
> usual will advance the goals of our organization.  We need to actively work
> to ensure this project has effects that *work against* the significant
> pre-existing biases toward highly-educated speakers of European languages.
> It is not enough to say that "someday" this "may" have an effect on
> minority language groups if "somebody" ever gets around to doing it.  We
> must make those investments proactively and with clear intention in order
> to effect the change we wish to see in the world.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
I don't think we should mix NC with free-knowledge licenses .
I do absolutely think we should maintain an archive, visible to the public
with at most a simple hoop to jump through, of material that is offered to
us in any legal way but not yet free.
This would include: material currently under a CC or other non-fd license,
material that can be reasonably assumed to belong to the uploader but has
not yet been so demonstrated and (c) cleared by our various processes, free
material whose use and classification is otherwise under debate.

Primary uses of such an archive:
~ Capturing the first step of any freely-licensed sharing: having a
persistent copy of the work, with initial license + uploader information,
and a nominal contact to pursue
~ Centralizing subsequent public discussions about how to make interesting
materials free : by relicensing, recreation, or other method
~ Preserving work done to annotate/classify works where license turns out
to be ambiguous
~ Simplifying other deletion and license discussions that are inefficient
and confusing now

If there are motivational reasons to make the result of such archiving "not
as visible online" or "not as convenient as Commons", that's easily done
without restricting public access or {item name resolution}.

S


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On Mon., Jul. 13, 2020, 2:24 a.m. Pete Forsyth, 
wrote:

> Erik, thanks for posting the essay here. Glad to see the interest in this
> topic.
>
> I wrote this because I have found that when somebody asks me about the NC
> provision, I often want to point them to a simple webpage (rather than
> "reinventing the wheel" every time it comes up). There are some pages out
> there (I listed some in the "See also" section), but I have yet to find
> somewhere this particular point -- the need of a general license to issue
> clear guidance -- articulated anywhere in a concise, accessible way.
>
> I'm surprised (and a little disappointed) to see that the possibility of
> Wikimedia generally accepting NC-licensed work is being discussed. But
> apart from that discussion, I think many of you in this discussion have, at
> one time or another, wanted to help guide someone toward using a more
> permissive license, rather than a NC license.
>
> For those who have, do you have favorite webpages you find helpful to
> share? Does this one seem like a useful addition? I'd appreciate any
> feedback or constructive edits to this essay; I also think it would be
> useful to have some of the other arguments, currently collected in longer
> documents, expressed in more "bite-sized" pieces like this, which could be
> linked together. Do others agree, and if so, are you inclined to help draft
> some complementary pages?
>
> -Pete
> [[User:Peteforsyth]]
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 3:23 PM effe iets anders  >
> wrote:
>
> > The question is however as well: how many open licensed content creators
> > would switch to NC if they were aware that this would be 'good enough'
> for
> > Wikipedia - even if that means in reality only English Wikipedia (but who
> > cares about other languages) and without actually allowing to build on
> top
> > of it?
> >
> > I have found the argument 'don't use NC because then it can't be used on
> > Wikipedia' rather convincing in the past. It will not always work, and I
> > also wish it would convince /more/ organizations. But then, I would also
> > wish that enwiki wouldn't use fair use exceptions - so maybe I'm not the
> > benchmark you'd be looking at anyway.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:32 PM James Heilman  wrote:
> >
> > > Yes one of the stronger reasons to reject all use of the NC license is
> > that
> > > it increases incentives for other organizations to actually adopt open
> > > licenses. I simply wish that such a position would convince more
> > > organizations. WHO has repeatedly told me that we, as a non-profit, are
> > > already free to use their work and if we chose not to, that is on us.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:19 PM Erik Moeller 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi James :)
> > > >
> > > > (This is my last reply for today, given the recommended posting limit
> > > > on this list.)
> > > >
> > > > > We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the
> reasons
> > > > > listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy
> > > > videos)
> > > > > less accessible to our readers because we disallow any such use.
> > > >
> > > > I completely agree. I'm wondering if efforts have been made at the
> WMF
> > > > or chapter level to partner with these organizations on new
> > > > initiatives, where a more permissive license could be used? This
> could
> > > > perhaps help to introduce CC-BY-SA/CC-BY to orgs like Khan Academy,
> > > > and help lay the groundwork for potentially changing their default
> > > > license.
> > > >
> > > > > This is a balance between pragmatism and idealism.
> > > >
> > > > I disagree with your framing here. There are many pragmatic reasons
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-07-22 Thread Samuel Klein
+1 This sounds like an ideal approach. !

Else: surprised that noone mentioned public cloud options running on
OpenStack. Is there no obvious place to start there?

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On Mon., Jul. 20, 2020, 3:19 p.m. Victoria Coleman, <
vstavridoucole...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 Kunal! The WMF Cloud Services team can totally provide the needed
> support. The Foundation would have to invest them to build up the team
> which is over stretched but that should easily pay for itself as revenue
> starts flowing in from the paid API.
>
> Victoria
>
> > On Jul 9, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Kunal Mehta  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2020-07-09 13:15, Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote:
> >> Which cloud provider would you recommend?
> >
> > Wikimedia Cloud Services, which incidentally, has the fastest network
> > connection to Wikimedia sites by virtue of it being hosted *inside* the
> > cluster.
> >
> > -- Legoktm
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Samuel Klein
Best news all year. Thank you for moving swiftly on this :)

It has been a fine thing too, to see WikiLambda experiments on Wikispore.
https://wikispore.wmflabs.org

I hope this may Herald a new wave of new and complementary projects.  There
are yet so many types of knowledge that have not found a home in our
wikiverse -- we are devising more every year (here's looking at you,
thingiverse & ML model hubs) -- and most of them do not naturally end up
with free knowledge platforms of their own.

SJ

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On Thu., Jul. 2, 2020, 12:04 p.m. Katherine Maher, 
wrote:

> (A translatable version of this announcement can be found on Meta [1])
>
> Hi all,
>
> It is my honor to introduce Abstract Wikipedia [1], a new project that has
> been unanimously approved by the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees.
> Abstract Wikipedia proposes a new way to generate baseline encyclopedic
> content in a multilingual fashion, allowing more contributors and more
> readers to share more knowledge in more languages. It is an approach that
> aims to make cross-lingual cooperation easier on our projects, increase the
> sustainability of our movement through expanding access to participation,
> improve the user experience for readers of all languages, and innovate in
> free knowledge by connecting some of the strengths of our movement to
> create something new.
>
> This is our first new project in over seven years. Abstract Wikipedia was
> submitted as a project proposal by Denny Vrandečić in May of 2020 [2] after
> years of preparation and research, leading to a detailed plan and lively
> discussions in the Wikimedia communities. We know that the energy and the
> creativity of the community often runs up against language barriers, and
> information that is available in one language may not make it to other
> language Wikipedias. Abstract Wikipedia intends to look and feel like a
> Wikipedia, but build on the powerful, language-independent conceptual
> models of Wikidata, with the goal of letting volunteers create and maintain
> Wikipedia articles across our polyglot Wikimedia world.
>
> The project will allow volunteers to assemble the fundamentals of an
> article using words and entities from Wikidata. Because Wikidata uses
> conceptual models that are meant to be universal across languages, it
> should be possible to use and extend these building blocks of knowledge to
> create models for articles that also have universal value. Using code,
> volunteers will be able to translate these abstract “articles” into their
> own languages. If successful, this could eventually allow everyone to read
> about any topic in Wikidata in their own language.
>
> As you can imagine, this work will require a lot of software development,
> and a lot of cooperation among Wikimedians. In order to make this effort
> possible, Denny will join the Foundation as a staff member in July and lead
> this initiative. You may know Denny as the creator of Wikidata, a long-time
> community member, a former staff member at Wikimedia Deutschland, and a
> former Trustee at the Wikimedia Foundation[3]. We are very excited that
> Denny will bring his skills and expertise to work on this project alongside
> the Foundation’s product, technology, and community liaison teams.
>
> It is important to acknowledge that this is an experimental project and
> that every Wikipedia community has different needs. This project may offer
> some communities great advantages. Other communities may engage less. Every
> language Wikipedia community will be free to choose and moderate whether or
> how they would use content from this project.
>
> We are excited that this new wiki-project has the possibility to advance
> knowledge equity through increased access to knowledge. It also invites us
> to consider and engage with critical questions about how and by whom
> knowledge is constructed. We look forward to working in cooperation with
> the communities to think through these important questions.
>
> There is much to do as we begin designing a plan for Abstract Wikipedia in
> close collaboration with our communities. I encourage you to get involved
> by going to the project page and joining the new mailing list[4]. We
> recognize that Abstract Wikipedia is ambitious, but we also recognize its
> potential. We invite you all to join us on a new, unexplored path.
>
> Yours,
> Katherine Maher
>
> Executive Director,
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract
> Wikipedia/June 2020 announcement
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Abstract_Wikipedia
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Denny
> [4] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/abstract-wikipedia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks WSC; elegantly put.

On survey process: seconding what others have said,
if you have gotten ~1000 of a desired 4000 responses, and haven't asked two
questions that you realize are essential, yes it is absolutely worth
running a new survey w the new options.

You can even identify cross-survey-iteration correlation : after drafting
an updated survey (and a banner for it) you could randomly offer 20% of
participants the _old_ survey and use correlation there to infer a way to
jointly interpret both versions.

S.

On Mon., Jun. 29, 2020, 4:35 a.m. Ariel Glenn WMF, 
wrote:

>
> I understand that good faith efforts were made to investigate the usability
> of the terms "W" and "Wiki". [1] Once these wiki-related terms were off the
> table, the options were narrowed to "Wikipedia plus some term" for survey
> purposes. While the survey is thus useful to see which Wikipedia-based name
> community members prefer most, it excludes the options "no change" and
> "change but not to a Wikipedia-based term".
>
> It is possible that people crunching the numbers already know what
> percentages of the community(ies) support the other two options based on
> rfcs and so on. If this is so, it would be great for that information to be
> made public.
>
> If however those numbers are not known, I would urge that an addendum to
> the survey be run that asks people to select one of the following; "no
> change", "new name containing the term Wikipedia", "new name not containing
> the term Wikipedia". I believe that even if this would cause the timeline
> to slip a little, it would be worth it.
>
> Ariel "Wearing sporadic-volunteer hat" Glenn
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Naming_convention_proposals/Naming_FAQ#Were_there_other_naming_convention_proposals_that_did_not_end_up_in_the_survey?_Why_were_they_eliminated
> ?
>
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:06 AM WereSpielChequers <
> werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Natalia,
> >
> > I wouldn't say that it was a badly designed survey, more that it was a
> > survey designed to constrain responses to three specific options. The
> > problem is with the choice of those options and that the survey seems to
> be
> > designed to push the community into a particular direction, rather than
> > find out what direction if any the community wanted to go in.
> >
> > "No name change is necessary" is not the only missing option. I'm sure I
> am
> > not the only person who accepts that Wikipedia and Wikimedia are
> > sufficiently similar that it causes confusion, or who knows that some
> > people assume that we are connected to WikiLeaks. Changing the name of
> the
> > WMF to something that is a suitable parent for all the projects, not just
> > Wikipedia, and that reduces confusion with WikiLeaks should be a
> relatively
> > harmless thing for the WMF to do. There are only a limited number of
> > projects that the WMF can take on at any time, and this wouldn't have
> been
> > my priority. But if you are going to rebrand, then doing so without
> > differentiating yourselves from WikiLeaks, and without maintaining some
> > sense of being a parent for multiple projects not just one favoured
> child,
> > does seem to me to be a mistake. So "if you want to change your name,
> don't
> > change it to Wikipedia, Wiki or to something you can't trademark" is
> also a
> > position, I suspect it is stronger than "no name change is necessary".
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > WereSpielChequers
> >
> >
> >
> > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 02:27:11 +0300
> > > From: Nataliia Tymkiv 
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > cakt1n5oks9e_vaez4lkizjrv_9p4oqjscc26fvyvykip13y...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia Foundation
> Board
> > > of Trustees about the Brand Project.
> > >
> > > Originally the Board meeting dedicated to the brand project was
> supposed
> > to
> > > happen no earlier than October. The expected outcome from the project
> > were
> > > the recommendations on what the rebranding should look like - from
> > changing
> > > fonts/logos to renaming. And if there is going to be a renaming - to
> > what.
> > > Of course, the Board’s role is not in approving a change in fonts, but
> > if a
> > > recommendation to rename was to be made - the Board’s role would have
> > been
> > > to make a decision on that recommendation. The timeline has now been
> > > changed, and the renaming part of rebranding will be discussed in our
> > > August meeting.
> > >
> > > Moreover, the Board will meet in early July to receive a briefing about
> > the
> > > project and talk about the process between June 2018 - June 2020. The
> > > consolidated materials on what the brand project team has been working
> on
> > > for a 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Brad: this was brilliant, thank you.

I have been thinking about how to phrase this all week, and you touched it
with a needle.

The Foundation's one undelegable role is to protect the community identity
through its marks.
That is a foundation upon which all else rests.

There are many ways we can improve our visibility and use of marks in
different regions.
This is a task facing all of us in our own communities. (And in this,
passion and persistence can be as important as a great concept.)

But it is self-destructive for our mark-protector to repurpose a project
name against the wishes of its community.  It is no better to circle the
question, saying "we are only considering it. of course we have the
unilateral right to do this, the project name is *our* mark and not *yours*".
That cuts deep — like carving out one's own heart to realize one of its
passing desires.

Brad wrote:
> Protection of the [marks] is an incredibly important function that cannot
be carried out by the community, legally.
> The Foundation's job is to hold these marks and the identity of the
community sacred.
> If I may be direct, that's where you screwed up. The Board has a lot of
work to do now to return to the idea
> that you need to be a fiduciary for the community. You need to hold the 
> community's
interest and identity sacred.
> Now is the time to pause before even more tremendous damage is done.

Our ethos includes self-governance, collaboration, and public iteration.
Let us embody that in this discussion. We should also be always prepared
 to rebuild the encyclopedia (or
any aspect of free knowledge) from scratch.  Let us not rest on our
laurels, and continue building anew.

Sam.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:25 PM Brad Patrick  wrote:

> Today, the community is everywhere around the globe, and the structural
> dichotomy
> remains the same, but at scale.
>


> If the Foundation is leaving money on the table by not exploiting its
> Brand, so be it. "The Foundation" as a commercial organization has utterly
> lost sight of who it works for if "the Brand" is the subject of the
> conversation. YOU ARE TRUSTEES OF A COMMUNITY OF INTERESTS, AND THAT MEANS
> PEOPLE - THE COMMUNITY - FIRST. Stop acting like a hedge fund.



> Rethink the sacred obligation you have to the people
> around the world who pour their souls and blood into free culture and the
> aspiration of free knowledge. That's who you work for. The Foundation
> doesn't protect "its" brands. It works for the community, as trustees of
> their cultural contributions.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: general assembly and new Supervisory Board

2020-06-22 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for this update, Lukas and all.
Congrats on the well-attended virtual assembly, I'm curious how it was
handled.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Lukas Mezger 
wrote:

> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual
> general assembly with over 250 members attending.
>
> Our members elected a new Supervisory Board, which consists of 7 elected
> members:
>
> * Lukas Mezger (chair, re-elected)
>
> * Daniel Reisener (treasurer, re-elected)
>
> * Sabria David (re-elected)
>
> * Kilian Kluge (re-elected)
>
> * Christina Dinar
>
> * Valerie Mocker
>
> * Alice Wiegand
>
> Christina Dinar and Valerie Mocker are new to the board, so please join me
> in welcoming them as well as in welcoming back Alice Wiegand. We are
> particularly pleased that our measures to increase gender diversity have
> been successful and that our elected board now consists of four women and
> three men.
>
> I would like to wholeheartedly thank our departing elected board members
> Harald Krichel, Peter Dewald, and Marcus Cyron, and our departing appointed
> members Helene Hahn and Mirjam Stegherr for the great work and their
> commitment to Wikimedia Deutschland over the past years.
>
> Sabine Zepp and Lenia Zinßer were elected as auditors. I would like to
> express my gratitude to our departing auditors Daniel Baur, who has been
> serving the association over so many years, and Lena Stammler.
>
> The general assembly also changed our bylaws to allow for virtual board
> meetings and remote board votes. Additionally, our members added a new rule
> concerning appointed officers to ensure that at least one third of the
> board is of non-male or non-female gender. The general assembly also
> approved changes to our strategy and formally approved of the board’s and
> the executive director’s actions for 2019.
>
> The new board will reconvene shortly to discuss Movement Strategy matters,
> among others, and I am very much looking forward to working together with
> the new team.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Lukas
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 3, 000, 000 Wikidata Infoboxes in Commons categories

2020-06-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Truly wonderful.  And the underlying tools have been useful even more
widely... thank you for sharing the milestone.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 6:23 AM Michael Peel  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> We’ve just reached a milestone with the deployment of Wikidata Infoboxes
> in Wikimedia Commons categories: there are now over 3 million uses! [1]
> These infoboxes are completely multilingual, and they automatically expand
> as more information is added to Wikidata.
>
> (I think enwp has around 3.4 million infoboxes [2], which we’re getting
> close to - does any other Wikipedia have more?)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Uses_of_Wikidata_Infobox
> [2]
> https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en=10=Infobox
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-16 Thread Samuel Klein
t on. I was involved in the strategy process
> > and helped write the recommendation snippet Yair quoted upthread; I'm not
> > involved in the API gateway project.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] IMPORTANT: Entire list on moderation and notes on conduct

2020-06-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you, Asaf.

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> know it exists would be permitted.
>
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> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-25 Thread Samuel Klein
> A former steward fellow and I
> discussed this topic at the Safety Space at Wikimania. Due to the nature of
> the space, the discussion have not been documented but you can find the
> presentation with backgrounds of the situation and open questions on
> Commons
> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimania_2019_%E2%80%93_Do_we_need_a_global_dispute_resolution_committee%3F.pdf
> >.
> Maybe it can give some ideas how to proceed with this.
>

Yes -- I was just thinking of your discussions of this while reading the
thread. I hope these steward reflections are considered as people move
forward.

The case of disputes that embroil an entire community and their admins
should (also) specifically be addressed.
S
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes, agreed.  I also actively avoid using Commons sometimes, because the
average life expectancy of a freely-licensed image is... shorter than one
would hope.

If only for efficiency's sake, we absolutely need somewhere for newbies to
upload images which "
1a) won't be deleted out of hand
1b) won't be deleted simply for lack of demonstration of notability or
bulletproof (c) clearance, when it's reasonable to guess that the uploader
may have such rights
1c) won't be deleted after being used on other projects, without an
explicit takedown request (but may be hidden, as per d)
1d) conversely, won't be made easily accessible for transclusion on other
projects until issues are resolved, or can easily be 'hidden' from
transclusion by a templated concern, while not deleting the upload so that
there is no longer a place to discuss + resolve

And we should also have
2a) a cross-wiki space for images used on any project, under whatever
license, that don't fit current Commons policy
2b) ...that may require a more explicit method of calling the files to
include them, so they can't be accidentally used in an inappropriate
context.

1 and 2 don't have to be Commons itself.  That would be a conceptually
simple solution, but they could also be a separate project, with bots that
migrate things to Commons once current C-policies are fully satisfied.



On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:48 PM Strainu  wrote:

> My2c on the original question: Commons does a lot to discourage people from
> uploading to Commons. Everything from not allowing non-free formats (even
> automatically converted to free equivalents) to asking for cross-wiki
> uploads to be disabled and repeatedly proposing the same file for deletion
> is discouraging uploaders.
>
> That's still anecdotical evidence I guess, but when one sees established
> users deliberately avoiding Commons because of these shortfalls one should
> probably take them  seriously.
>
> Pe duminică, 17 mai 2020, Benjamin Ikuta  a
> scris:
>
> >
> >
> > Anecdotally, it seems people sometimes don't upload their photos to
> > Commons because they don't realize that the scope of Commons is much
> > broader than that of Wikipedia.
> >
> > Has there been, or should there be, any research into this, or why people
> > don't contribute more broadly?
> >
> > ~Benjamin
> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Commons needs iterative workflows that tag problems and modify what reuses
/ transfusions are supported, rather than making everything a crude
delete/keep decision.  Else it will always struggle w scaling to these uses.

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On Mon., May 18, 2020, 9:48 a.m. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l, <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  in the past "99% unproblematic" was true, because most of the things were
> obvious and standard (panorama of towns, ancient portraits), it's not
> nowadays.
> You can upload tons of unproblematic pictures because they are easy to
> find, but you don't need them really. So they mostly clutter the workflow.
> There are a lot of images of kittens that we can upload, good luck
> categorizing them. Of course, you can switch to very specific projects like
> "documenting all small rivers" but the core issue are also high-quality
> upload. And everything is potentially problematic there: the right of an
> important person to privacy, the right of the manufacturer of an
> instruments, how creative is the lighting of an object? if I upload an
> image of a town it's probably a very nice one, taken by a competent
> photographer who clearly show them on line as well. You are in a dimension
> where you need to study, learn, ask around, find a balance. Instead we have
> people acting randomly and superficially, because they do not care about
> the long-term effect of their actions.
>
> This impacts the maintenance of course, because very specific issues
> requires sophisticated categories, processes and metadata. The effort there
> is quite high, you are always the first one to arrive. the first one to
> clean up,the first one to explain to a third party. If you add on that more
> unnecessary stress than required, people reduce this job as much as they
> can as a necessary balance. But that job has an important effect in the
> overall maintenance, so at a certain point you start to see the effect when
> it is not there.
>
> It's not a big surprise, we tried to explain this fact for years, but the
> community is designed to ignore these aspects and encourage other work
> attitudes. It's just like that.
>
>
> Il lunedì 18 maggio 2020, 15:28:51 CEST, Yaroslav Blanter <
> ymb...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  To be fair, in most cases to use Commons for uploading files is totally
> unproblematic as soon as one has basic understanding of copyright. I am
> pretty sure 99% of my uploads can not be deleted (I had my files
> mass-nominated for deletion, once with the claim they are not mine, and
> once with the claim they are holiday photos and out of scope, but both
> cases admins were reasonably enough to speedy close the nominations). Of
> course there are always potentially problematic cases, for example I can
> imagine for one could start requiring "publication" dates for painting,
> which is copyright paranoia but some people take it seriously etc. But if
> one uploads something sufficiently far from the grey area it normally
> should be ok.
>
> (I am still a Commons admin, but I reduced my admin activity to a minimum
> and I am not planning to increase the activity level).
>
> Best
> Yaroslav
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:12 PM Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
> Hello Alessandro,
> Thank you for your post and its insight. I recognized the same with me: I
> only make use of Wikimedia Commons in lessons if I have enough time. Also I
> would introduce it only to students with a solid knowledge of English.
>
>
> Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l 
> schrieb am Mo. 18. Mai 2020 um 13:08:
>
> > In the end, it's more like inducing order from other projects than caring
> > about the order on Commons because there clearly can't be with people
> > acting the way they do.
>
>
> This is a great observation! And this phenomenon contributes to the
> on-going chaos, to the work-around-culture you need to adapt to if you want
> to make use of Wikimedia Commons. :-(
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
> They are also not caring for it: if you spend your time starting
> > unnecessary deletion procedures instead of cleaning up categories or
> > description, you obviously have your priority, so we also have ours.
> >
>
> > About the main page, we need to focus more on media files IMHO, and of
> > course search is complicated but I am sure metadata can improve it.
> >
> > A.
> > Il lunedì 18 maggio 2020, 11:33:46 CEST, Robert Myers <
> > robert.my...@wikimedia.org.au> ha scritto:
> >
> >  Well some people do, but it is when they get trolled by other
> contributors
> > and/or overzealous Admin comes along and deletes the file. They quickly
> > lose interest, in turn telling other people not to bother.
> >
> > I just had another lot of photographs tagged by a troll, in which an
> Admin
> > deletes (
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log=File:Rachel_Priest_after_the_Sydney_Thunder_vs_Adelaide_Strikers_WBBL_game_at_Robertson_Oval.jpg
> >
> >
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal for a multilingual Wikipedia

2020-05-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Great!  The time seems right.  Is the idea to begin with P1.1 and P1.2, on
a test wiki, and have a branch of abstracttext that anyone can submit
functions to, while working on the proposal and setting this up formally as
a sibling projet?

Is there anything Wikispore could do to help get something like this
underway?  //S

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:28 PM Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> after talking about it a few times here, the official proposal for creating
> the multilingual Wikipedia proposal is now on Meta.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilambda
>
> The idea is to create abstract, language-independent content in Wikidata,
> and then translate it into natural language using function. These functions
> will be defined and maintained in a new Wikimedia project, which I
> preliminary called Wikilambda.
>
> Wikilambda will be a new Wikimedia project that allows to create, maintain,
> catalog, and evaluate functions about all kind of things. You can find a
> lot of further details in the link above. If you have any questions, I am
> happy to answer them.
>
> The official project proposal process basically says, make the proposal
> here, and then go and tell everyone, and at some point, the Board might
> look at this and say, yes good idea.
>
> So I would love to collect many of your voices and support signatures, so
> that I can go to the Board and tell them look at this :) So please sign
> here:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikilambda
>
> Thank you,
> Denny
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-05-05 Thread Samuel Klein
>
> This is a complaint about multiple banners on the same page.



> I believe it would be better to put the add on the lower part of the
> viewport, for all users, and for a limited time. Posting ads at random
> locations


I couldn't figure out how to experience this feature -- can you share a
screenshot?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-05-04 Thread Samuel Klein
>
> If you're browsing in a private-window, this means the browser cannot
> remember (save in a cookie) that you clicked "close" or saw the banner
> already, hence you might be seeing more banners than most readers would.
>

Worth mentioning each time it comes up:
This seems like an instance of where tracking interactions w/ a given {IP,
day} or {hash of browser fingerprint+IP+daily salt} would vastly outweigh
the challenges.  We can support private browsing, or any kind of browsing,
without creating a painful experience [which is also... not likely to
result in a donation].
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Very well put.  S



On Sat., Apr. 25, 2020, 10:06 p.m. Gnangarra,  wrote:

> Kaya
>
> From my perspective we have always been political, from the moment we
> started with the concept of Free Knowledge,  Eduardo listed many of the
> aspects that go with it.  We are doing so much more we  want
> anyone/everyone to contribute regardless of social standing, we spend
> millions on addressing bias against women, we have and openly support an
> active LGBTI+ community, we make the projects accessible in many
> languages.  As for Earth day we cant deny our support of it just look at
> how we dedicated a whole Wikimania around the concepts.  Even our pillar of
> Neutral POV is political we dont spin we tell it as it was from every
> perspective. We've taken many stands  in regards to censorship. and
> copyright we even once went dark to send a message, Earth day was not a
> shift in our ideals.
>
> Boodar-wun
>
> On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 09:13, Eduardo Testart  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > There isn't such a thing as just one politics, therefore, the subject
> line
> > question is really broad.
> >
> > We are not apolitical about free knowledge, no doubt about that. On the
> > other hand, we as a movement can be or become apolitical in other
> political
> > fields. All this discussion, in my opinion, has to be addressed from the
> > correct political field that we are standing (or not). Which is the
> > political field of the question proposed then? (this is just a rhetorical
> > question.)
> >
> > In the free knowledge political field, I repeat, we are not apolitical
> from
> > the moment we advocate for free knowledge, free content, free licenses,
> > free software, etc. I also do not wish that we ever become apolitical
> about
> > that, even if mistakes are made in the way.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 7:44 PM Tito Dutta  wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > > It is asked: "are we apolitical?" A spin-off question: "are we
> unbiased?"
> > > On Wikipedia, we (are to) provide and serve knowledge/information, not
> > any
> > > particular view(s)
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tito Dutta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, 26 Apr 2020 at 00:34, Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
> > > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agreed. There is no way to get around the fact that some people
> oppose
> > > our
> > > > message of free access to our projects for everyone, and the actions
> we
> > > > make in favor of that goal are often political.
> > > >
> > > > However, there is a very large gap between publicly supporting such
> > > > policies as a less regulated internet, copyright advocacy, etc., and
> > > Earth
> > > > Day Live's endorsed viewpoint.
> > > >
> > > > If they were solely about Earth Day, we'd have no issues, as the few
> > > people
> > > > who oppose Earth Day are probably living in the mountains somewhere
> > with
> > > a
> > > > half dozen solar panels and tinfoil hats to protect themselves from
> the
> > > > flying saucers surveying the flat earth.
> > > >
> > > > The problem I have with Earth Day Live is that, were the Wikimedia
> > > > Foundation to publicly endorse those views, it would inherently be
> > > > isolating of people who do not share them. For example, there were
> many
> > > > people on the endorsed streams advocating for all industries to have
> > > unions
> > > > and a universal $15 minimum wage. Ignoring the fact that it's
> > > specifically
> > > > American and was shown to everyone globally, I do not support either
> of
> > > > those policies for various reasons (primarily that much of my work is
> > > done
> > > > for under $15/hr, and I would likely lose some of those jobs), and
> > should
> > > > not be forced at odds with the WMF's party line.
> > > >
> > > > If the Foundation begins publicly endorsing certain policies or
> > > viewpoints
> > > > that are not directly a part of the mission which we all agree with
> and
> > > > work towards, people who disagree with those viewpoints would be
> forced
> > > > into opposition of the foundation intended to represent the work they
> > > > volunteer for Wikimedia projects. Our intention is to deliver
> unbiased
> > > > information to people, and if the Foundation has a declared political
> > > > stance other than our mission statement, it also opens the Foundation
> > to
> > > > legitimate criticism on claims of bias.
> > > >
> > > > There is also the argument of timelessness. Two hundred years ago
> there
> > > was
> > > > a very different political landscape with very different arguments
> > taking
> > > > place. Two hundred years from now, provided humanity still exists,
> > would
> > > > likely be very different than today. Assuming that the WMF and
> > Wikipedia
> > > > will still be around, is it better to attempt to remain out of
> > political
> > > > advocacy (with the exception of our mission), or to take distinct
> > > political
> > > > stances whenever the political field shifts? I fall in the former
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Everyone supports Earth Day.
Earth Day Live was confusingly different... in a strange time.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:42 PM Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Adding onto this, it appears the WMF is proudly and publicly displayed on
> the participants, which may as well be endorsements, page for Earth Day
> Live: https://www.earthdaylive2020.org/get-involved/
>
> I'm simply astounded by this. Never would I have expected the WMF to take
> such a strong political position on the American left.


Ah yes, alongside such noted pillars of the American left as...  
KDE, Vivaldi, Tumblr, Imgur, and Mapbox*.*

Benjamin Lees writes:
> I think we should avoid keeping "campaign" banners (even those which
aren't expected to be controversial)
> hidden away until the last minute.

Good point.

SJ
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 & EduWiki response: Wikipedia & Education User Group Open Meeting

2020-04-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks Lianna, it's good to read about this.  SJ

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 1:48 PM LiAnna Davis  wrote:

> (usual apologies for cross-posting!)
>
> The board of the Wikipedia & Education User Group invites you to attend our
> user group's next Open Meeting, one week from today, on Thursday, April 2,
> at 15:00 UTC, as always via Zoom. We'll be discussing the Wikimedia &
> Education community's response to the COVID-19 pandemic. Guest speakers
> include:
> * Nichole Saad and Melissa Guadalupe Huertas from the WMF Education Team
> will talk about their strategy and how you can help. (
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/2020-March/002511.html)
> * User:TiagoLubiana, a graduate student in Computational Biology from the
> University of São Paulo, and a leading editor at Wikidata:WikiProject
> COVID-19, will discuss Wikidata's work around COVID-19 and how the
> Wikimedia and education community can help. (
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_COVID-19)
>
> Per usual, the board will provide an update on user group activities, and
> we'll offer an opportunity for others to briefly share what they've been up
> to in light of the COVID-19 pandemic. Join us!
>
> What: Wikipedia & Education User Group Open Meeting
> When: Apr 2, 2020 15:00 UTC
> Where: https://zoom.us/j/759620545
> Meeting ID: 759 620 545
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message to readers from the Wikimedia Foundation regarding COVID-19

2020-03-19 Thread Samuel Klein
> "The article has been read more than 30 million times, in English alone. "

Can you run the count for everything in that category, and across all
languages?
Should be a good deal more!

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:27 PM Joseph Seddon  wrote:

> Dear list,
>
> Given the unfolding global events, the Wikimedia Foundations feels it is
> important to reassure readers across the globe.
>
> We'll be displaying a short message at the top of the projects reaffirming
> our commitment to keep Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects online, open
> and free for all. Readers often turn to Wikipedia for neutral information
> in times of stress. This is a critical moment for students who can't go to
> school, people who have to stay home with their families, and anyone who
> needs a trusted source of unbiased information.
>
> We also want to take a moment to acknowledge the invaluable work of all the
> medical contributors on Wikipedia. Thank you for keeping a close watch and
> keeping misinformation at bay. Coronavirus topics have received tens of
> thousands of edits by thousands of editors since the start of the pandemic.
> The article has been read more than 30 million times, in English alone.
>
> The message will be displayed just once to readers, and you can preview the
> banner [1]. The draft is in English but we want this message to be
> multilingual. If you have a moment, please help translate this banner into
> your language [2]. Thank you all, for your work and efforts.
>
> Stay safe, and wash your hands!
>
> --
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>
> [1] - Banner Preview:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA?banner=programmatic_mlWW_rsp_covid19=1=US
>
>
> [2] - Translate link:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate=Centralnotice-tgroup-Programmatic_translations_2020=view=%21translated=translate
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiProject COVID-19 (English Wikipedia) is started

2020-03-17 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for starting this!  And the Wikidata project is awesome also.
Hopefully we can get more of this data into wikidata itself...

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 6:01 PM Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l <
wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

>  I took images of an almost empty Milan Central train station even before
> i think there were any specific social distancing rule
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Milano_Centrale_train_station_during_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Italy
> ... and created few days later
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Social_distancing
> but overall I think the topic will be covered, on line there are always
> many images with the right licenses.
>
> I am more interested in people taking nice images of empty towns now that
> it's possible. For example when you walk for basic chores, stop for few
> minutes.
>
> Alessandro
>
>
>
>
> Il domenica 15 marzo 2020, 22:53:59 CET, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>  I photographed the COVID-19 isolation room at our local university (it's
> precisely in front of the cabinet I usually work in), and created the
> category for COVID-19 isolations:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:COVID-19_isolations
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Yaroslav Blanter  escreveu no dia domingo, 15/03/2020
> à(s) 21:46:
>
> > Just to remark that I went today to a supermarket to take a picture of
> > empty shelves and eventually to upload it to Commons. Which I did (and
> > eventually I added one of the photographs to an English Wikipedia
> article),
> > just to discover that several people had the same idea before me,
> including
> > one in my city. Still, the number of relevant pictures is laughably
> small,
> > and now it is good time to take pictures for example of places which are
> > normally overcrowded by tourists and now are empty. Or queues at the
> > airports due to cancellations, We need to document the event (obviously
> not
> > compromising on the safety), and anybody with a cell phone can easily
> > contribute.
> >
> > Best
> > Yaroslav
> >
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Empty_chips_shelves_in_AH_Delft_02.jpg
> >
> >
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Empty_butter_shelves_in_AH_Delft_01.jpg
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Pine W  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > May I suggest that the discussion regarding the name take place
> > > somewhere other than Wikimedia-l? I think that a talk page of one of
> > > the relevant articles on English Wikipedia, a WikiProject Medicine
> > > talk page, or the WikiProject Medicine Mailing List, would all be
> > > reasonable venues.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello Essie,

Given all of the feedback so far, it seems we need a strong brand *network*,
more than a struggle over a single brand; and strong shared identity
*within* the communities and their contributors.

I am glad that recent discussions seem to be grounded in identity and
clarity.  If we want to start leading more with Wikipedia in outreach, in
every language of the world, *nothing* is stopping us.  But a* re*branding &
the resulting ongoing turmoil would have a predictable cost, at a time when
we have many other things to focus on, that needs to be balanced with
obvious gain.



Thank you (all) for your extensive work on this.  It would help to be even
more exquisitely clear about the expected outcomes in May and beyond.*

Wikilove, SJ

* I still think of the Wikidata newsletter as a model of regular clarity in
terms of setting expectations.

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On Fri., Mar. 13, 2020, 1:33 p.m. Essie Zar,  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> There are some new updates and opportunities to engage with the Brand
> project. Thank you to Lodewijk for bringing some attention to a few of
> these opportunities. We were actively drafting this update for this group
> when your email went out.
>
> As Zack indicated in September,[1] we have been regularly discussing with
> the members of the brand network (which people can still join )[2] ideas
> around an evolved brand system with "Wikipedia" as a center point. To
> assist in this evolution of the movement brand, we chose to partner with
> Snøhetta,[3] an internationally renowned design firm known for working on
> complex and multi-stakeholder projects like the modern Library of
> Alexandria (Bibliotheca Alexandrina) and the 9/11 Memorial in New York
> City. Snøhetta has been tasked with figuring out precisely what this
> improved brand system will look like. They will release a proposed naming
> convention for movement-wide feedback in April, and a proposed design for
> movement-wide feedback in May. [4] The result of this process will be a new
> branding system that will be opt-in for affiliates.
>
> In order to have enough knowledge and context to arrive at these proposals,
> Snøhetta is reviewing feedback from the many points at which it has already
> been given, and has created a process with built-in community involvement.
> The
> process thus far has included workshops in Norway, India and online with 97
> volunteers from the brand network (movement affiliates, volunteers,
> foundation staff, and board members) reflecting 41 nations. At the
> workshops, community participants were asked to break into small groups to
> answer the question "Who are we?". Through these workshops, groups
> developed rich concepts* that they think best represent who we are as a
> movement.
>
> Now, we would like to invite you to review the 23 concepts that came out of
> the community workshops by “liking” and providing feedback on the one(s)
> you think best represent the Wikimedia movement. You can click on any
> concept to see an expanded explanation and photos of the actual concepts
> built or selected by workshop participants.
>
> Approximate time to complete this exercise is around 10-15 min.
>
> https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/
>
> Feel free to leave feedback directly on Snøhetta’s website, on the project
> talk page on Meta [5], or on the Brand Network [2], which will also be
> available on Meta starting next month.
>
> Snøhetta will use the feedback from the concepts to develop one single
> concept to act as a tool that will help guide the proposals around naming
> (expected for April) and around design (expected around May). They are
> scheduled to begin reviewing feedback on Tuesday, 17 March, but can
> continue taking feedback for a few more days if there is interest.
>
> We also invite you to share what free knowledge means to you in Snøhetta's
> open exercise. Please take a moment and share your thoughts in any of the
> channels mentioned.
>
>
> https://brandingwikipedia.org/2020/02/17/what-does-free-knowledge-mean-to-you/
>
> Finally, we want to acknowledge that we have feedback, from various points
> in this process so far, from several communities and in several areas of
> the wikis, including Meta. We understand that some people believe that we
> don’t need this project. Our shared vision is for every single human being
> to freely share in the sum of all knowledge -- and that means billions of
> people. There are many people and cultures we still need to reach and
> include. We will need a strong well known brand to achieve the goals the
> movement has set for itself and we have a lot of work to do to get us
> there.
>
> Want to learn more? Check out the project hub at brandingwikipedia.org and
> the project page on Meta [5]. Participate in discussions on the project
> talk page, or by joining the Brand Network [2]. Also feel free to drop us a
> note at brandproj...@wikimedia.org if you have questions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Essie Zar
>
> (from the movement brand identity 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] April could be our Wikimedia month of kindness

2020-03-12 Thread Samuel Klein
What a great idea!  Thakn you for sharing.  We could also strongly
encourage shutting down most bitey aspects of tools and scripts.

This can be a nice sanity check to see if we discover, as wikihow did, that
talking to people by hand rather than via cold template increases
participation significantly over time.  ///S

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:40 AM Fæ  wrote:

> Wikimedia Commons is proposing that April becomes a Month of Kindness.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Proposals#Votes,_month_of_kindness
>
> The pandemic is affecting everyone and is likely to be very stressful
> for many. This proposal aims to remind everyone throughout April to
> make extra efforts to be kinder in their interactions, making our
> Wikimedia project a kinder and more supportive space as our default.
>
> Do any other projects fancy joining this initiative?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for this clarity Paulo.
Is there a way to move more of the underlying policies onto a public wiki
rather than a closed one, to limit some of this confusion?

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On Wed., Feb. 26, 2020, 5:36 a.m. Paulo Santos Perneta, <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The OP is misleading. The issue is not with Commons at all, but with OTRS.
> As far as I know, Commons never, ever, deleted a file which was in use in
> any Wikimedia project, with the notable expectation of copyvios. Otherwise,
> use in *any* wikimedia project = on scope for Commons.
>
> Apparently some OTRS volunteers follow some outdated procedures - including
> that one related to selfies, which was mentioned - but that is a problem
> exclusively with OTRS. I'm part of that team, and I always had the freedom
> to decide which looked like a genuine selfie, and which was problematic at
> that (e.g., with a copyright notice at the metadata). And, as far as I
> know, anyone willing to help fixing those problems at OTRS is very much
> welcome there. When the volunteers are very few, and the ones complaining
> do not volunteer themselves, it only adds up to the pressure on the few
> existing volunteers, making everything worse.
>
> Best,
> Paulo
>
> Peter Southwood  escreveu no dia quarta,
> 26/02/2020 à(s) 06:04:
>
> > This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons?
> > This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it is
> > jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related.
> > For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do
> not
> > think this issue is necessarily related.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 6:10 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on
> other
> > projects
> >
> > Hoi,
> > Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
> > Wikipedia.
> >
> > At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
> > are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The
> best
> > suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
> > Commons.
> >
> > When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia,
> it
> > is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The
> > projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria
> > different from English Wikipedia.
> > Thanks,
> >   GerardM
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-19 Thread Samuel Klein
It would be nice to have a tool for long standing editors to clean up a
newbies talk page for them, leave messages for the overeager templaters,
and help them out / welcome them in untemolsted language.

Then a little ML could go a long way in guessing which newbies are in this
situation and generating a queue for newbie-care. ~~~

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wrote:

> I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of
> an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w
> as already recorded) and his view about an indent in his life.
>
> Her six sequential edits - her first and only contribution to
> Wikipedia - totalled 1254 characters, and were conducted over the
> space of 30 minutes. They were no the best quality, lacking sources,
> but were benign, and exactly what one might expect an untutored novice
> to do as a first change.
>
> As well as being reverted, she now has three templates on her talk
> page; two warning her of a CoI, and sandwiching one notifying her of a
> discussion about her on the COI noticeboard. These total 4094
> characters or 665 words.
>
> How do other projects deal with such cases?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Phase V confirmed! -- I hope this means related features (a calendar +
forum :) are getting included in mediawiki propre...

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On Tue., Feb. 18, 2020, 5:31 a.m. Quim Gil,  wrote:

> Last year, the Wikimedia Foundation launched Wikimedia Space to experiment
> with new ways to connect volunteers, increase movement participation, and
> showcase community stories. While we remain committed to this important
> goal, based on lessons learned through the Space prototype, the Foundation
> has decided to close Discuss Space. The Space blog, which continues to fill
> a need to share news for the movement by the movement, will continue in a
> new home. Please continue to submit community-focused stories [1], so that
> we may share them with the movement.
>
> To learn more about the next steps, check the full announcement at
> https://space.wmflabs.org/2020/02/18/next-steps-on-wikimedia-space/
>
> We have learned a lot from this initiative and want to thank all Space
> users [2] for their time and contributions. We also invite everyone
> interested in documenting lessons learned and discussing next steps to join
> us in taking this effort even further, either at the About Wikimedia Space
> category in Discuss [3] or the Space talk page in Meta [4].
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Space/Editorial_guidelines#How_to_get_started
> [2] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u?period=all
> [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/about-wikimedia-space/2
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Space
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Café - Saturday 25 Jan 2020 4:30 PM UTC...

2020-01-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Aha, very nice -- thanks for the invite Lane :)
We need a wiki audio+transcription server toolchain named Harmony...

On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lane Rasberry  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am writing to invite anyone to join the next online meeting of Wikimedia
> Café on Saturday 25 Jan 2020 4:30 PM UTC. Details for joining are at
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Café
> > (video room open at that time) https://virginia.zoom.us/my/wikilgbt
>
> The agenda for this month includes discussing Wikipedia holidays, Wikipedia
> video tutorials, and the Wikimedia Strategic recommendations.
>
> Wikimedia Café is a modest, one-hour, monthly online meeting which for the
> past few months has had fewer than 10 attendees. At these meetings anyone
> can propose to discuss any topic of broad Wikimedia community interest, as
> if we all were able to meet in person over coffee. The meetings themselves
> are an experiment in small group Wikimedia community conversation with
> video chat, phone access options, and online shared notetaking.
>
> Anyone interested in joining may.
> Anyone interested in reading notes of past meetings can find them on the
> meta page.
> If there is anyone who wants to get their ideas published in the wiki
> world, consider looking at how this Café works, because voice chat with
> notetaking could be a way to organize your own wiki community.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Interesting to see -- thanks for the pointer John!
I like what I've seen of Snøhetta + their work, would love to hear more.

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:56 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:

> … and people immediately went ballistic. Calm down and discuss the topic!
>
> The news reporting seems to be that Snøhetta has been awarded a full
> design project, while the page at Meta says it should act as some form
> of facilitator. It could be interesting to know what is correct, as
> these two descriptions are pretty disparate.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] .org TLD for sale?

2020-01-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you (all!) for doing this.  A necessary backdrop for whatever comes
next.  SJ

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On Wed., Jan. 8, 2020, 8:23 p.m. Katherine Maher, 
wrote:

> Hey folks,
>
> Quick update here. You may have seen some press coverage already, but this
> week, a group of technologists, non-profits, policymakers, and internet
> governance folks filed in California to create a cooperative membership
> corporation, whose purpose would be to administer the .ORG domain and its
> revenues on behalf of global non-profits and in support of the open,
> multistakeholder internet. The intention of the filing body is to
> demonstrate to ICANN a viable, economically and technically sound
> alternative to private commercial ownership. The name of the new
> organization is the Cooperative Corporation of .ORG Registrants, or CCOR.
>
> I've been asked to be one of the seven filing directors. The other filing
> directors include the Executive Director of Packet Clearing House, a
> non-profit internet research institute, the founding president of ICANN and
> a former chair of ICANN, a former Member of the European Parliament and
> digital rights advocate, among others.
>
> We believe that this co-op structure is a good alternative to the intended
> sale, which we believe has the potential to degrade the integrity and
> stability of .ORG domains. It is an opportunity for the .ORG community to
> create a representative governing entity, formalize stewardship of a key
> piece of internet infrastructure, directly guide the allocation of .ORG
> revenue, and improve the integrity and independence of the non-profit
> internet. It aligns with the same values and governance that animate our
> global Wikimedia communities, and our friends at organizations such as EFF,
> the Internet Archive, and Mozilla have played key roles in its development.
> The Foundation's Board of Trustees has also given their support as part of
> our broader commitment to the non-commercial, open internet.
>
> I also wanted to make sure to clarify the Foundation's commitment and my
> own role in CCOR. The Wikimedia Foundation not funding this effort, and my
> participation does not entail longer-term financial or other resource
> support from the Foundation or movement. My own involvement would be a for
> limited-term: if the effort is successful, my temporary directorship would
> end after a period, I’ll rotate off and the co-op will elect someone new.
> If the effort is not successful, the corresponding responsibilities are
> null.
>
> They're still working on getting the website up and will publish the
> articles of incorporation once they do, in case folks want to take a look
> for themselves.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
> Katherine
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 7:03 AM Florence Devouard 
> wrote:
>
> https://savedotorg.org
>
>
>
>  Message transféré 
> Sujet : Re: .org TLD for sale?
> Date : Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:44:08 -0500
> De : Samuel Klein 
> Répondre à : Wikimedia Mailing List
> 
> Pour : Wikimedia Mailing List
> 
> Groupes de discussion : gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation
> Références :
> 
> 
>
> I wrote up a short summary.  who other than ICANN has to approve this
> sale?
>
> http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture/
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:13 PM Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for sharing this, Andy. This appears to be a major governance
> > failure on the part of ICANN (sadly, not for the first time). I'm glad
> > Wikimedia is among the first orgs on this list.
> >
> > I don't think it's too late to stop this, especially as all evidence
> > points to corrupt inside wheeling-and-dealing. I would normally not
> > link to El Reg, but the connections Kieren has dug up deserve further
> > investigation by more reputable outlets.
> >
> > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/
> >
> > Utterly unacceptable attempt to enclose the commons. Please do help
> > continue direct attention to this.
> >
> > https://savedotorg.org/
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donating to Wikipedia

2019-12-18 Thread Samuel Klein
I think the current messages are quite good and clear, the ones I've seen
get better each year.
I don't find the messaging alarmist or misleading.  But perhaps subtle cues
can change how they are perceived.

[I also don't usually get this feedback from people outside our community
(last: in 2012), so it might just be random walks through feedback space.]




On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:30 PM Michel Vuijlsteke  wrote:

> This discussion comes back every year. Every year we get the same
> reassurance that it's being looked into, that we'll try to do better, that
> things have been tested, etc.
>
> The reality of the matter is that the alarmist and misleading stuff
> *works*. And that it's most probably not going anywhere. Just like last
> year and the year before.
>
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019, 22:58 Samuel Klein,  wrote:
>
> > I've heard this asked this by 3-4 people recently
> > * A family member (checking in to make sure things were ok)
> > * A local grantmaker (who likewise has supported WP at least once before)
> > * A couple undergrads (on phones, asking eachother what to do if WP went
> > down during finals)
> >
> > All worried either that there had bee some sudden change, or that
> knowledge
> > or access would be lost in the near future. Perhaps there's a way to
> reach
> > the same people while highlighting our commitment to persistent access to
> > knowledge across time.  And maybe a way to measure interpretation or
> > reaction to a banner in addition to its conversion rate.  [Some banners
> are
> > so delightful that they are a welcome improvement to a page without; and
> > I've occasionally thought we should run some of those, w/ low
> probability,
> > continuously year-round.]
> >
> > Wikilove,
> > SJ
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:38 PM Fæ  wrote:
> >
> > > Sadly I had a similar experience only this weekend.
> > >
> > > We were enjoying a going away lunch with friends who are out of the
> > > country over Christmas, when one of them asked about Wikipedia's
> > > problems, knowing that I often volunteer time to it. He claimed that
> > > the site was spamming screen-sized pop-up banners trying to raise
> > > money because they were going bust. I had to advise him how wealthy
> > > the Foundation was, with hundreds of staff and extra cash in an
> > > endowment fund.
> > >
> > > Isn't it about time that the Wikimedia Foundation came to terms that
> > > /plenty/ of money is made through sensible fundraising, without every
> > > year embarrassing the whole Wikimedia Community by promoting the
> > > impression that Wikipedia is about to close down if the public don't
> > > give them enough money to keep their servers powered up over
> > > Christmas? Making 10% more money every year is growth for the sake of
> > > it unless we can understand in an accountable and transparent way
> > > where that extra 10% is needed; preferably right there in the
> > > fundraising banner so folks don't get the impression that Wikipedia is
> > > about to vanish.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 20:34, Jacob Jose  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I also felt like how Benjamin's dad did..  If one is viewing using
> the
> > > > mobile app, the red banners fill the entire screen and one has to
> > scroll
> > > > down to get to the content. I think the fund solicitation ads need to
> > be
> > > > much less loud than it's now..
> > > >
> > > > Background: I have been an active Wiki contributor for over 10 years
> > now.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 2:27 PM Benjamin Ikuta <
> > benjaminik...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My dad recently said to me:
> > > > >
> > > > > "I was solitated by them after looking something up.  I thought it
> > > strange
> > > > > the way they were pleading for donations. They made it sound like
> > they
> > > > > might be shutting down if we the general public didn't donate."
> > > > >
> > > > > Has there been any research into how common it is for readers to
> get
> > > the
> > > > > wrong impression from the marketing messaging?
> > > > >
> > > > > I've heard of this sort of thing happening before, and I think it's
> > > highly
> > > > > antithetical t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Donating to Wikipedia

2019-12-18 Thread Samuel Klein
I've heard this asked this by 3-4 people recently
* A family member (checking in to make sure things were ok)
* A local grantmaker (who likewise has supported WP at least once before)
* A couple undergrads (on phones, asking eachother what to do if WP went
down during finals)

All worried either that there had bee some sudden change, or that knowledge
or access would be lost in the near future. Perhaps there's a way to reach
the same people while highlighting our commitment to persistent access to
knowledge across time.  And maybe a way to measure interpretation or
reaction to a banner in addition to its conversion rate.  [Some banners are
so delightful that they are a welcome improvement to a page without; and
I've occasionally thought we should run some of those, w/ low probability,
continuously year-round.]

Wikilove,
SJ

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:38 PM Fæ  wrote:

> Sadly I had a similar experience only this weekend.
>
> We were enjoying a going away lunch with friends who are out of the
> country over Christmas, when one of them asked about Wikipedia's
> problems, knowing that I often volunteer time to it. He claimed that
> the site was spamming screen-sized pop-up banners trying to raise
> money because they were going bust. I had to advise him how wealthy
> the Foundation was, with hundreds of staff and extra cash in an
> endowment fund.
>
> Isn't it about time that the Wikimedia Foundation came to terms that
> /plenty/ of money is made through sensible fundraising, without every
> year embarrassing the whole Wikimedia Community by promoting the
> impression that Wikipedia is about to close down if the public don't
> give them enough money to keep their servers powered up over
> Christmas? Making 10% more money every year is growth for the sake of
> it unless we can understand in an accountable and transparent way
> where that extra 10% is needed; preferably right there in the
> fundraising banner so folks don't get the impression that Wikipedia is
> about to vanish.
>
> Thanks,
> Fae
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 at 20:34, Jacob Jose  wrote:
> >
> > I also felt like how Benjamin's dad did..  If one is viewing using the
> > mobile app, the red banners fill the entire screen and one has to scroll
> > down to get to the content. I think the fund solicitation ads need to be
> > much less loud than it's now..
> >
> > Background: I have been an active Wiki contributor for over 10 years now.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 2:27 PM Benjamin Ikuta 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > My dad recently said to me:
> > >
> > > "I was solitated by them after looking something up.  I thought it
> strange
> > > the way they were pleading for donations. They made it sound like they
> > > might be shutting down if we the general public didn't donate."
> > >
> > > Has there been any research into how common it is for readers to get
> the
> > > wrong impression from the marketing messaging?
> > >
> > > I've heard of this sort of thing happening before, and I think it's
> highly
> > > antithetical to our values to be deceptive.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-12 Thread Samuel Klein
Nice find, thanks for sharing!

Amir: yes, we need global templates -- a framework for them and incremental
way editors and tools can migrate to that.  What's the latest overview of
where that work sits?   What can we all do to help?


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On Thu., Dec. 12, 2019, 8:37 a.m. John Erling Blad, 
wrote:

> Seems like Marius Hauken delivered the thesis in 2012.[1]
> A short video is available on YouTube.[2]
> He got several awards, at most three in one week. [3]
> A few of them are listed here.[4][5]
>
> [1] Hauken, Marius Aa., and Kunst- Og Designhøgskolen I Bergen. Same
> Shit, Different Wrapping (2012): Ca 200. Print.
> [2] Wikipedia-concept for smartphones and tablets
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-xI-mPDLBo
> [3] Tre designpriser på en uke
> https://www.bt.no/nyheter/okonomi/i/eagk4/tre-designpriser-paa-en-uke
> [4] REDESIGNING WIKIPEDIA FOR MOBILE & TABLET
>
> https://europeandesign.org/submissions/redesigning-wikipedia-for-mobile-tablet/
> [5] Masteroppgave, redesign av Wikipedia for touchenheter ”Same shit
> different wrapping”
>
> https://www.grafill.no/visuelt/vinnere/2013/interaktiv-design/studentarbeid/masteroppgave-redesign-av-wikipedia-for-touchenheter-same-shit-different-wr
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 2:01 PM John Erling Blad  wrote:
> >
> > I wrote 1996 in the subject field because that was the year I made a
> > wikisite with tabbed interface, and experimented with a paper-like
> > design in Xt. More or less what designers today would call a material
> > design. The present design is what I would call Monobook 2.0, and that
> > imply a 15 year old design. Monobook was rolled out in 2004-2005 if I
> > remember correctly.
> >
> > At nowiki we had a discussion with a designer from The Oslo School of
> > Architecture and Design around 2009, and he come up with a really nice
> > design. The design at SNL (the other Norwegian lexicon) starts to look
> > more and more like it. The design proposal was deemed to radical and
> > to simple for Wikipedia. He got several awards for the design.
> >
> > No, I'm not a designer, but I do like good design.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 1:34 PM John Erling Blad 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you, but discussing how your site or any other specific site
> > > looked like in some year is an distraction.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 12:30 PM Shlomi Fish 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John!
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 22:47:21 +0100
> > > > John Erling Blad  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Could we please update them with a slightly more up-to-date skin?
> > > > >
> > > > > Take a look at our Norwegian competitor in the lexicon field.
> > > > > https://snl.no/kunstig_intelligens
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I took a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page and it
> doesn't look
> > > > anything like a geocities/etc. site from the 90s, and I feel it
> doesn't look
> > > > bad.
> > > >
> > > > For the record that was my site at around 1998 -
> > > > https://old-1998-site.shlomifish.org/ and people complained enough
> that my
> > > > current site looks like "[insert  year here]" that I added a FAQ
> entry:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/site_looks_old.xhtml
> > > >
> > > > See https://everybootstrap.site/ for how many contemporary sites
> look like.
> > > >
> > > > Someone on freenode told me he thinks plain black-on-white sites
> look great.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Shlomi
> > > >
> > > > > John Erling Blad
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] .org TLD for sale?

2019-11-24 Thread Samuel Klein
I wrote up a short summary.  who other than ICANN has to approve this
sale?
http://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2019/11/23/a-tale-of-icann-and-regulatory-capture/


On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 6:13 PM Erik Moeller  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this, Andy. This appears to be a major governance
> failure on the part of ICANN (sadly, not for the first time). I'm glad
> Wikimedia is among the first orgs on this list.
>
> I don't think it's too late to stop this, especially as all evidence
> points to corrupt inside wheeling-and-dealing. I would normally not
> link to El Reg, but the connections Kieren has dug up deserve further
> investigation by more reputable outlets.
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/20/org_registry_sale_shambles/
>
> Utterly unacceptable attempt to enclose the commons. Please do help
> continue direct attention to this.
>
> https://savedotorg.org/
>
> Warmly,
>
> Erik
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiConference North America live stream

2019-11-21 Thread Samuel Klein
We have full copyright over these videos, which are intended to be posted
to Commons under CC-BY.
There are a couple of sessions from the live.fsf stream which will not be
posted online at the request of the participants, but the videos from the
three main rooms can all be posted to Commons.

Warmly, SJ

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:44 PM Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> Phoebe and WikiConference team,
>
> It was a great conference -- thank you! -- and wonderful to have
> high-quality video made available. (To answer my earlier question -- the
> link supplied before still leads to the videos, though you might have to
> dig around to find any specific session.)
>
> QUESTION: Do you know if MIT asserts any copyright over the videos? I'd
> like to upload a couple to Commons, but want to be sure the copyright won't
> be an issue.
>
> -Pete
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>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:31 AM phoebe ayers 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> > We are looking forward to WikiConference North America here at MIT in
> > Cambridge, Massachusetts this weekend! We will be welcoming around 250
> > people over the four-day weekend, with a museum and cultural institution
> > culture crawl on Friday, conference sessions on Saturday and Sunday, and
> > discussion/hackathon focused on reliability and credibility on Monday.
> >
> > For those who can't be here with us in person, we have a live stream
> > planned of three of our session rooms on Saturday and Sunday. To access
> the
> > stream, go here:
> > http://web.mit.edu/webcast/wiki/f19/
> >
> > We are looking forward to sharing as much of the conference as we can
> with
> > you all! To find out what is when, the schedule is here (all times
> eastern
> > time):
> > https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2019/Schedule
> >
> > We have a packed schedule with sessions about education, research,
> > outreach, and more, as well as a special focus/track in our main
> auditorium
> > on credibility and reliability in the news and media, which our partners
> at
> > the Credibility Coalition are assisting with. As we think about the
> future
> > of Wikipedia as a reliable source in a world where social media platforms
> > and media networks are struggling with issues of misinformation and
> > credibility, we hope that this program will be both timely and helpful.
> >
> > Let me know if you have any questions and I hope you are able to tune in
> > online.
> > Phoebe, for WCNA
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2020 will be on August 5-9. Bangkok, Thailand.

2019-10-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Surely synchronized vandalfighting is in the pipeline for a future Olympic
lineup!

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On Tue., Oct. 8, 2019, 1:54 p.m. Kiril Simeonovski, <
kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Roman,
>
> Thank you for announcing the dates of Wikimania 2020 and suggesting a trip
> to other East Asian countries, including Japan for the Olympics, but was it
> inevitable to schedule the event during the Olympics?
>
> Best regards,
> Kiril
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2019 at 18:54 Roman Bustria Jr.  wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > I am delighted to announce that Wikimania 2020 will happen from 5-9
> August,
> > 2020 in Bangkok, Thailand.
> >
> > We will announce other details in the upcoming weeks.
> >
> > For now, you may start planning your Asian tour iterinary. You may
> consider
> > doing a side trip in other ESEAP countries like Myanmar, Cambodia, Japan
> > (Olympic Games), Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Timor Leste, Taiwan,
> > Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, China, Vietnam, and many others.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Amanda Keton to the Wikimedia Foundation

2019-10-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Fantastic news.  Welcome, Amanda.  :)  SJ

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:07 PM Katherine Maher  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know I’ve sent several announcements to this list in recent months
> regarding new members of the Wikimedia Foundation’s executive team. Today,
> I’m excited to send the last in this series, and officially welcome Amanda
> Keton as General Counsel to the Wikimedia Foundation. Amanda will be
> starting on October 7, based in San Diego.
>
> Amanda has dedicated her career to many of the same values we share as a
> movement. She joins us from the San Francisco-based Tides Foundation, where
> she served as General Counsel. Tides is a U.S.-based public foundation that
> distributes donor-advised grants and investments with the mission of
> building a world of shared prosperity and social justice. Tides was a
> partner for us in 2016 as we established our endowment, which remains
> hosted at Tides. Amanda also served as Head of Tides Foundation and People
> Operations and the CEO of Tides Advocacy,  the policy affiliate in the
> Tides family of organizations.
>
> Before her work at Tides, Amanda worked for Ernst & Young providing
> nonprofit organizations with consulting, advisory, and compliance
> services.  She currently serves on the Network for Good board and has
> previously served on a number of other boards dedicated to equity and
> justice.
>
> In Amanda's words, "My work in nonprofits and the values I developed as a
> social justice advocate make me especially excited to contribute to
> Wikimedia in its next phase of growth. I want to be part of ensuring that
> everyone finds a sense of belonging in the free knowledge movement, and
> together we serve and defend it exceptionally well. After living in the Bay
> Area for 11 years, my family and I recently moved to San Diego to be closer
> to family, as we welcomed our son in August. I am always on a quest to find
> the perfect playground, a new author to binge read, or a fresh recipe to
> try."
>
> Wikimedia always has been unique in the centrality of legal work as a
> strategic aspect of our movement. From the first days of the Foundation,
> our legal team has helped defend the Wikimedia communities and the
> integrity of free knowledge. They work closely with the community to
> advocate on behalf of open licensing, freedom of expression, net
> neutrality, privacy, and other critical enabling elements of our mission.
>
> I expect the importance of our legal and policy work to continue as we
> work toward 2030. Today we see expanding government censorship and
> increased infringements on access to knowledge around the globe. We see
> threats to community members on the ground, and threats to the integrity of
> information online. Our ability to engage proactively on these issues,
> through strategic counsel, policy and advocacy, and impactful litigation
> will continue to grow in importance to the Wikimedia mission. I’m excited
> for Amanda to lead the Foundation’s accomplished Legal department as we go
> forward.
>
> I also want to take a moment to personally thank and acknowledge Tony
> Sebro for his excellent work serving as interim General Counsel and
> Secretary to the Board of Trustees while we searched to fill the position
> permanently. Tony was a deft and thoughtful partner in addressing issues
> ranging from copyright policy to malicious DDOS attacks to board
> governance, and a valued voice on the Foundation’s leadership team. Amanda
> will continue to work closely with Tony as he resumes the position of
> Deputy General Counsel.
>
> Please join me in welcoming Amanda to the Foundation!
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

2019-10-01 Thread Samuel Klein
From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species of
Viola <https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Viola_wikipedia>!
/SJ

== Forwarded message ===

Many of you may use Wikipedia.



Here is a plant name (*Viola Wikipedia*), which may be first name to honor
Wikipedia.



Viola wikipedia J.M.Watson & A.R.Flores, Int. Rock Gard. 117: 47. 2019

P. 47: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2019Sep261569525649IRG117.pdf
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.srgc.org.uk_logs_logdir_2019Sep261569525649IRG117.pdf=DwMGaQ=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ=DZmqtQRXyhOgqkztI2mO9VzZ8DCBvq1PIRFZAci7Tsc=QN0PfyGenvJvsBs0frndXDgnn6JpuVuNAekxhaopqDY=Rs2HOY64PqT09T_jorN-UQ-sYKpTsGk30n1uDSRparQ=>



The authors gave a detailed explanation for their choice of the epithet
Wikipedia.



“Etymology: We Watsons investigate and write up all our publications at
home. We are retired on small pensions, belong to no institution, and work
privately on a largely self-funded basis. In the past, we have visited the
herbaria and libraries at K and SGO regularly, and once or occasionally B,
CONC, LIL, MERL, P, SI, and ULS as well. But for various reasons we are
very seldom able to travel to any these days, and have only managed two
such visits in the last five years. So now, at the very apogee of our
'publication era', we are totally dependent on our indispensable home
library and ... the Internet. Without the latter, we could literally
achieve nothing of scientific relevance. It provides information from such
a wide number of reference sources and personal contacts that it is
impossible to even begin to think about listing them all. However, one is
particularly outstanding in that we consult it constantly for information
on a wide variety of subjects related to our work - Wikipedia, as cited
herein for example. The best token return we can think of is to name a
plant accordingly, so it therefore gives us pleasure to record our
gratitude via the replacement epithet of this species, as a noun in
apposition.”


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Samuel Klein
g through security for 2 or 3
> > > hours, flying for 4 hours and travelling by train and bus to get to
> > > and from airports in order to enjoy a physical meeting with fellow
> > > Wikimedians, you simply got a bus or train and travelled for an hour
> > > to a fun meeting place where you met several fellow Wikimedians in
> > > your country, and together spend the day playing around with immersive
> > > conferencing to workshop, discuss and learn from fellow Wikimedians in
> > > other countries. All this and still get home to spend the night in
> > > your own bed, feed your cat, or meet your kids coming back from
> > > school.
> > >
> > > That's "making time and space for both" while taking real measurable
> > > action for climate change by reducing our entirely avoidable numbers
> > > of international flights.
> > >
> > > The truth is, that despite discussing this since Wikimania events
> > > started, and in that time technology making doing this is almost as
> > > simple as an Affiliate hiring headsets for mobile phones, we have
> > > never even trialled decent immersive virtual conferencing spaces for
> > > productive conferencing.
> > >
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:57, Rebecca O'Neill  >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is it, perhaps, that the value a lot of people derive from these
> events
> > > is
> > > > not just the conference itself, but the ability to meet fellow
> > > Wikimedians
> > > > face-to-face and make meaningful contacts and even friendships that
> may
> > > > never otherwise have come about? I'm all about virtual, but there is
> > > value
> > > > in physical events, and I would say that we should make time and
> space
> > > for
> > > > both.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 12:54, Ilario Valdelli 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > We dont give all scholarships for that reason while for regional
> > > Wikicon we
> > > > > receive more requests and we fill the amount immediately.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not an opinion that in our events people prefer to arrive by
> > > train and
> > > > > not by flight. We see it as soon we receive the expenses report and
> > > when we
> > > > > ask the reason the answer is the climate change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019, 13:25 Gabriel Thullen, 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am a Swiss member, and I did go to Wikimania (and did a small
> > > > > > presentation).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that you need to clarify you statement:
> > > > > > "In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania
> because
> > > people
> > > > > > would not do long trips."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When looking up what was sais for Wikimania 2019 I read:
> > > > > > "Wikimedia CH offers scholarships for active Wikimedians. They
> > cover
> > > > > > transportation, hotel (max 3 nights) from the 16th to the 18th,
> and
> > > > > > registration fees. To check your eligibility, you can consult
> > > conditions
> > > > > of
> > > > > > eligibility on this page
> > > > > > <
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_CH/Policies/Scholarships
> > > >."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > Gabe
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:14 PM Ilario Valdelli <
> > valde...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyways this is perceived by the community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Wikimedia CH we cannot give scholarships for Wikimania
> because
> > > > > people
> > > > > > > would not do long trips.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IMHO the problem is these big events.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For this reason we prefer to give more scholarships for
> region

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 4:00 PM Robert Fernandez 
wrote:

> I think we could drastically lower our carbon footprint by not using
> community digital resources to beat the same dead horse for a billionth
> time.
>

I laughed out loud.

AND.   I love that the WMF joined the strike, and have some practical
thoughts.

a) Reach out to Stripe
, which has a
through self-assessment and a negative-emissions program, and the Long Now,
to coordinate efforts.
b) Evaluate the community-wide carbon footprint, which is dominated by
  b.1) How we run conferences [*mostly in person*]
  b.2) How we choose partners, communicate climate imformation, and
prioritize related policies [*fairly ad-hoc*]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Distr game on Wikidata

2019-08-04 Thread Samuel Klein
Is this the (amazing, not new) Wikidata Game?
I haven't seen #Distr associated with it...


On Sun., Aug. 4, 2019, 12:15 p.m. Anders Wennersten, <
m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote:

> Since end of June I am following closely (via Listerialists) all changes
> in Wikdata on the 15000 object i have created and have special interest
> in. They are about adm units in Sweden, mostly historical and I had not
> anticipated any big amount of change., But in reality there are lots,
> 10-30 a week, and even if mostly on iw-links and update on descriptions,
> it has been positive and rewarding (like a change followed by a
> constructive discussion with a user from Russia)
>
> BUT there has ben a lot of bad edits (around a dozen), mostly
> wellmeaning, but also some a bit worse.  Some by bot, where the user
> undid the changes, but worst has been the merges initiated with hash-tag
> Distr game. Here really stupid and devastating merges has been done and
> crazy totally erroneous updates. And here feedback does not work.
>
> For me it look like children using much too powerful tools, and they
> perceive them as games. (the tools seems to give a list of suggestion of
> things, like merges, and you just press a key to have it done, and when
> it is so easy, it invites unintelligent users to "play" and win points
> by pressing key for whatever suggesting turning up, in my cases anything
> sharing a coordinate, a village, church, adm area etc)
>
> I do hope this is not a misdirected initiative to get new users, by
> letting them go havoc on our data? (the tools could of course be good,
> when used constructively in the hands of competent users, but ?game?)
>
> Anders
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimedians of the Caribbean User Group

2019-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Hearty!  Dead wikis tell no tales
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_Dead_Men_Tell_No_Tales>
...

I hope we can entice some of the pirates to come to the North American
Wikiconference <https://wikiconference.org/wiki/2019/Main_Page> in
November.   :)

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 11:05 AM Felix Nartey  wrote:

> Congratulations guys this is really great news!!
>
> Le jeu. 1 août 2019 à 17:03, Joël Letang  a écrit :
>
> > Congratulations! I am thrilled to see the Caribbean represented in this
> UG!
> >
> > *Masha pabien!* Congrats!
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Joël L.
> > *Jo**ël Letang* (he/him)
> > Events Team Manager
> > Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 5:46 PM Kirill Lokshin  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone!
> > >
> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has
> recognized
> > > [1] the Wikimedians of the Caribbean User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User
> > > Group. The group aims to support Wikimedia projects and activities
> among
> > > the peoples of the Caribbean and the Caribbean Diaspora.
> > >
> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kirill Lokshin
> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/Resolutions/Recognition_of_Wikimedians_of_the_Caribbean_User_Group
> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Wikimedians_User_Group
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Colombia

2019-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Superfantástico.  And what a blog <https://wikimediacolombia.org/>!

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:08 AM Leinonen Teemu 
wrote:

> Great! Felicidades! -Teemu
>
> > On 31 Jul 2019, at 19.02, Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation Board of
> Trustees
> > has approved the recognition of Wikimedia Colombia [1] as a Wikimedia
> > chapter.
> >
> > Over the past five years, Wikimedia Colombia has successfully planned and
> > executed a significant portfolio of innovative and effective programs,
> > attracting new contributors, forming partnerships with local
> institutions,
> > promoting the Wikimedia movement throughout the Republic of Colombia, and
> > demonstrating a substantial record of programmatic impact.
> >
> > It is our hope that recognition as a Wikimedia chapter will empower the
> > Wikimedia Colombia community to continue fostering the Wikimedia movement
> > in Colombia and enable them to more effectively engage with government
> > entities and other partners.  We additionally hope that Wikimedia
> Colombia
> > will prove to be a source of inspiration and support for emerging
> Wikimedia
> > communities in the surrounding geographic areas, furthering affiliate
> > development across northern South America and Central America.
> >
> > I want to thank everyone who has been involved with setting up the new
> > chapter, and recognize their commitment and patience over the past two
> > years as we've worked through the chapter recognition process.  Please
> join
> > me in congratulating the entire Wikimedia Colombia team for their
> > accomplishment!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Colombia
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] fallout from 2018 Wikimedian of the Year announcement

2019-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Russia and other Wikimedia
> > movement volunteers to develop "Smart wiki-region" roadmap for regional
> > authorities throughout the Russian Federation to start learning about the
> > Wikimedia movement and understanding how partnering therewith could be of
> > mutual interests. This was a follow up of the Oct.1 meeting with Mintimer
> > Shaimiev
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-October/091151.html
> ,
> > but mainly around my last year's musings I finally finished translating
> > into English today @
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frhdkazan/Wiki4RegionalDevt
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 3) On Oct.23 We have started growing the project on WMRU-wiki
> at
> > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион (currently in Russian only),
> > using also eponymous thread at [wikimedia-ru] mailing list (last message
> >
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-ru/2018-November/004914.html
> > ).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 4) In mid-November we are expecting to have a presentation of
> > the project and our domestic experience
> > https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Selet_WikiSchool at the large meeting
> > called on by the ex-President of Tatarstan, State Councillor to the
> > Republic, UNESCO Special envoy for Intercultural Dialogue Mintimer
> Shaimiev
> > http://shaimiev.tatarstan.ru/eng - with invitation of
> > >>>>> * First Deputy Head of the Tatarstan Presidential
> Administration
> > (
> >
> http://president.tatarstan.ru/eng/apparat/structure?person_id=32_id=84096
> > ),
> > >>>>> * a large body of regional ministers
> > >>>>> ** Tatar community affairs
> > http://prav.tatarstan.ru/eng/pravit/3.htm
> > >>>>> ** Education and science
> > http://mon.tatarstan.ru/eng/rukov/minister.htm
> > >>>>> ** ICT http://mic.tatarstan.ru/eng/minister.htm
> > >>>>> ** Culture http://mincult.tatarstan.ru/eng/rukov/minister.htm
> > >>>>> ** Youth affairs
> > http://prav.tatarstan.ru/rus/pravit/ministr-min-molodezhi
> > >>>>> * head of regional media holding
> > http://tatmedia.tatarstan.ru/eng/director.htm
> > >>>>> * head of the Institute of Tatar encyclopedia
> > http://antat.ru/ru/ite/staff/5679/
> > >>>>> * head of the House of Friendship of Nations of Tatarstan
> > http://addnt.ru/house/management/director/
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 5) Tomorrow morning I will be meeting with the Vice-Primier -
> > Minister for the ICT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shaykhutdinov
> > for preliminary discussions, then my high-school senior Timerkhan
> > https://tt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кулланучы:Тимерхан will assist him the
> next
> > day at the preparatory meeting with
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mintimer_Shaimiev.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 6) I didn't yet have time to think in detail about the
> potential
> > schedule or invited participants of the first public Wiki-seminar in
> > Tatarstan, meant to expose locals to the Wikimedia movement and its best
> > practices even if only via the video-conference (which I mentioned in the
> > previous update), because I am doing this in between of my rather
> demanding
> > work and some limited family life. The topic will most likely surface
> among
> > other things tomorrow.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> regards,
> > >>>>> farhad
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/
> Тел.+79274158066 /
> > skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> 04.10.2018, 08:32, "Pine W" :
> > >>>>>>  Hi Farhad,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I'm very impressed with your successes so far.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  My main concern is how much of this you seem to be doing by
> > yourself. I
> > >>>>>>  hope that you have a group of people who are collaborating
> > with you so that
> > >>>>>>  you don't feel responsible for doing everything personally,
> > and that you
> > >>>>>>  aren't putting yourself into personal financial difficulty
> due
> > to the
> > >>>>>>  amount of time that you're spending on Wikimedia activities.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Regarding which people would be good to invite to a
> > conference, I think
> > >>>>>>  that GLAM and educational organizations would be natural
> > partners so I
> > >>>>>>  suggest starting with them.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  WMF might be willing to provide you with some advice and/or
> > funding for
> > >>>>>>  GLAM or education related work if you request it, although
> the
> > wait times
> > >>>>>>  for WMF "Rapid Grants" funding seem to have become lengthy,
> so
> > I suggest
> > >>>>>>  that if you want funding from that program that you should
> > request it at
> > >>>>>>  least two full months in advance and not rely on receiving it
> > in time for
> > >>>>>>  any particular deadline.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  I'm glad to hear that you're participating in Wikimedia CEE
> > and I hope that
> > >>>>>>  the affiliates in that group can provide you with good
> advice.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Best wishes,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  Pine
> > >>>>>>  ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-15 Thread Samuel Klein
+1 Lodewijk -- I was thinking the same thing.
Abhinav and Kirill: thanks each for sharing these public updates.

On Mon., Jul. 15, 2019, 4:29 p.m. effe iets anders, <
effeietsand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I think it would be at the very least helpful to the wider community to
> better understand that component. Could you spell out in a bit more detail
> what those capacity concerns were, and what other findings may have
> existed? This may especially be helpful to the India community, as it would
> be especially hard to address the issues without a full understanding.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Warmly,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 3:03 AM Kirill Lokshin 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedia-l readers,
> >
> >
> > AffCom understands the complexity and sensitivity of the circumstances
> > surrounding the decision to de-recognize Wikimedia India as a chapter,
> and
> > we would like to share more information around it. This decision was not
> > taken lightly, and only came after consistent warnings, including
> > suspensions of the chapter, and continued attempts by AffCom to bring the
> > chapter’s activities in line with the requirements for chapter status. We
> > understand that volunteers would like more information about this
> decision
> > and past actions that influenced its outcome. We will attempt to provide
> an
> > overview of the factors and history that led to this decision.
> >
> > Wikimedia India has been given ample time to address their lack of
> > compliance with minimum chapter expectations since their initial signs of
> > non-compliance in 2015 and concerns presented to them during their 2015
> > site visits, initial 2016 suspension, and most recent 2018 suspension
> last
> > November. The Wikimedia India Executive Committee (EC) has repeatedly
> > failed to respond in a timely and complete manner to call requests,
> annual
> > reporting timelines, and remediation deadlines for demonstrating
> > compliance.
> >
> > It is worth noting that there may be issues related to incomplete
> > information regarding the current relationship between WMIN and AffCom.
> > Abhinav is a current WMIN representative, but he was recently appointed
> to
> > the EC on June 14, 2019 [1] following the EC’s receipt of the final
> > revocation notice sent on June 13, 2019. He was not informed of, nor did
> he
> > participate in, our communications regarding the current suspension
> process
> > before that time, so he has had to rely on second-hand knowledge of the
> > situation. The remaining four members of the EC appear to have fully
> > abdicated their responsibility for communications leadership and as such
> > further confirm the chapter’s lack of capacity at this time.
> >
> > Suspension notices give explicit requirements for what and how to
> > communicate with respect to a chapter’s capacity and provide a timeline
> for
> > addressing gaps to meet requirements. We’re providing a table reflecting
> > the most recent suspension notice, the requirements included, and the
> date
> > they were to be delivered below for the community’s context:
> >
> > According to the suspension notice, Wikimedia India was to:
> >
> > Status
> >
> > Submit an Action Plan. By January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit an
> > updated Action Plan including a timeline with dates for completing the
> > tasks outlined.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on March 4, 2019.
> >
> > Insufficient response; awaiting new action plan for potential
> > reorganization as outlined in April call.
> >
> > Complete and submit the required overdue chapter activities and financial
> > reporting. The chapter was to submit the reporting by December 1, 2018.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received Activities Report on December 3, 2018 and Financial Report on
> > December 22, 2018.
> >
> > Develop a strategy and timeline for addressing the following potential
> gaps
> > in meeting the basic criteria for chapter status in terms of Legal
> > Structure, Open Governance, Active Contributor Involvement, and Capacity.
> > By
> > January 15, 2019, the chapter was to submit a plan, via email or posted
> > online, demonstrating how the chapter meets the specific chapter
> > requirements outlined. If the chapter does not currently meet the
> > requirements, they were to provide a plan and timeline for how to address
> > these issues before June.
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on March 4, 2019.
> >
> > Insufficient response as detailed in April call.
> >
> >
> >
> > Resolve concerns related to organizational best practices. By May 1,
> 2019,
> > the chapter should be able to demonstrate that it is following the
> > Wikimedia Foundation Board’s recommendations for organizational best
> > practices
> > <
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Resolutions/Organizational_best_practices
> > >
> > .
> >
> > Submitted past deadline.
> >
> > Received on June 4, 2019.
> >
> >
> >
> > More information on chapter requirements is 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An updated design for the Wikimedia Foundation website

2019-07-10 Thread Samuel Klein
rg/wikipedia/foundation/1/1b/Wikimedia_Foundation_website_-_2017-2018_update_-_Discovery_brief.pdf
> [5]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Organization_communications_translators_group
> [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_website
> [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimania_2019
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Jonathan + Adrian -- thank you for the thoughtful ideas.  Seconding that:
~ We could use warmer, less confusing ways to handle edit conflicts,
deletion, and edit wars
~ We have the luxury of trying many approaches in different places, and
iterating

Nathan  wrote:

> You want a revolution to make Wikipedia a friendlier place?...

There is no such place... Have you been to a city?


Yes. Some disarmingly well-designed and welcoming, despite their density.
The question is not whether better equilibria exist; they do.  It is why
they are often hard to recognize, try out, and adopt.  Your insistence that
'there is no such place' is quite extraordinary, really: and highlights the
challenge.

Todd Allen writes:
> Well, inclusionism generally is toxic.

  Smooth redefinition of terms.  Jonathan's proposal was so kind +
specific, and you're spoiling for a fight.
Most of us have an opinion on inclu/delight, and would be glad to debate
it, but this thread isn't the place.

Pierre-Selim:
> can people participating to this thread respect the soft limit of this
mailing list, i.e. this is not a chat

Thanks for the reminder.  More than one post per day in a thread is
probably too much...
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-03 Thread Samuel Klein
d
> apologetic regarding recent disruption that has stressed many people in the
> community, led to numerous resignations, and consumed countless hours of
> volunteers' valuable time. Perhaps I overlooked them, but I do not see the
> words "apology", "sorry", "regret", or similar words in the statement from
> the WMF Board.
>
> In addition to an apology, I was hoping to see the WMF Board focus on
> supervising the WMF organization, which I think is its principal job.
>
> I feel that this statement is condescending: "We believe that the
> communities should be able to deal with these types of situations and
> should take this as a wake-up call to improve our enforcement processes to
> deal with so-called "unblockables"." I think that many of us in the
> communities are aware of these problems. I do not appreciate WMF creating
> unnecessary and widely harmful disruption in its quest to do top-down
> social engineering. I encourage the WMF Board to develop humility, refrain
> from lecturing the communities, and consider how to support the communities
> in our efforts to improve ourselves.
>
> I would encourage the WMF Board to ponder the harms that have resulted from
> WMF's actions. I hope that we see a public apology from the WMF Board.
>
> Katherine, thank you for your willingness to have a dialogue regarding
> these matters, and your willingness to have a more cautious and respectful
> approach in the future.
>
> Writing solely in a personal capacity,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Indeed... there is no wikiversity phd.  Nor is one planned in the near
future in any language, as far as I know.
Getting WV courses onto accredited platforms seems like a step towards
alignment (or perhaps first: working w/ an existing set of accredited
courses and getting their materials onto WV as a non-accredited space to
find and learn from those materials!)

On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 8:35 PM Thomas Shafee 
wrote:

> Hi Amirouche,
>
> It's definitely possible to write articles in WikiJournals without a PhD (
> example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.006>). External peer reviewers
> are invited in the same way whether the author is some top prof or an
> undergrad.
>
> I definitely think that WikiJournal articles can be useful for Wikiversity
> courses (example <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjm/2017.006>, example
> <https://doi.org/10.15347/wjs/2018.005>). Bu I think that the two projects
> have different technical needs.
>
> As far as I know, Wikiversity is currently not accredited in any country -
> a process usually tightly regulated by governments (Australia example
> <https://www.teqsa.gov.au/>). Wikiversity is therefore more like P2PU
> <https://www.p2pu.org/en/about/> than Open University
> <http://www.openuniversity.edu/courses>, in that it can offer courses and
> provide completion badges, but not yet award formal PhDs. I don't now
> whether there are any users working on it, but accreditation for
> Wikiversity courses would probably be most easily achieved by partnering
> with established accredited universities, a bit like coursera
> <https://www.coursera.org/degrees>, but that would still be a pretty major
> project.
>
> Hope that is useful info!
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 15:39, Amirouche Boubekki <
> amirouche.boube...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I am new to the mailing list and more generaly on wikipedia as
> contributor
> > and as student in wikiversity.
> >
> > I did not know about WikiJournals as part of Wikiversity. My only remark
> > will be that the wikiveristy
> > PhD program is in poor shape. I was lost in the various tools I had to
> use
> > and broken links.
> > Most if not all conversation are old-ish and doesn't say the PhD program
> is
> > active or working
> > at all. (French wikiveristy is in much better shape).
> >
> > I am certain that the implementation of wikijournal as sister project
> will
> > have more impact for WikiJournal.
> > My point is with a better english wikiversity, both could have more
> impact.
> >
> >
> > I think, forking wikijournals outside wikiverity will have a bad impact
> on
> > wikiversity.
> >
> > Also, is it possible to write a publication in the journal without prior
> > PhD?
> > Can publication in the wikijournal help obtain the wikiveristy PhD?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Amirouche ~ amz3
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Samuel Klein
I love the idea of experimenting like this.
More like this please.  The simpler and lighter weight experiments can be
(w little drama ;) the more of possibility space we can explore.

And that's a space we should all be excited by.

On Wed., Jun. 26, 2019, 12:47 p.m. Quim Gil,  wrote:

> Hi, thank you for your feedback about Wikimedia Space.
>
> So far, there have been many comments focusing on _who_ has released _what_
> and _how_. Let me tell you _why_ we are proposing Wikimedia Space. People
> agreeing on _why_ can agree on the rest way easier.
>
> Wikimedia Space is all about Wikimedia growth. If you are supporting
> newcomers or you are contributing to the growth of the Wikimedia movement
> in other ways, we are very interested in your opinions, your suggestions,
> your needs. And we are especially interested in hearing from you if you are
> a promoter of movement diversity and/or part of any kind of group
> underrepresented in Wikimedia.
>
> Why Wikimedia Space, in more detail:
>
> From the Wikimedia movement strategic direction -
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
>
> * Knowledge equity
>
>
> From the Wikimedia Foundation medium-term plan -
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Medium-term_plan_2019
>
> * Grow participation globally, focusing on emerging markets
> * Thriving movement
> * Support to newcomers
> * Strong, diverse, and innovative communities that represent the World
> * Strong and empowered movement leaders and affiliates
> * Safe, secure spaces and equitable, efficient processes for all
> participants
>
> I hope this explains our _why_. About some of the points mentioned...
>
> Wikimedia Space is a proposal to the movement in the form of a prototype
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/what-do-mean-here-by-prototype/188/4.
> We believe it will generate interest, feedback, criticism and contributions
> in a number of ways that a text-only proposal in (say) Meta Wiki wouldn't
> achieve.
>
> For instance, while we discuss here in a black & white and text-only
> environment, more than 60 colorful users have signed up already and
> Wikimedia Space and are getting their own impressions about it.
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/u .
>
> Or for instance, several event organizers just signed up and added their
> event to the Wikimedia Space map, which, if you ask me, after just one day
> already looks fresh, beautiful and interesting:
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/c/events/l/map
>
> We are happy to discuss possibilities for connection / integration /
> migration between Wikimedia Space and existing community channels. As a
> matter of fact, wikimedia-l could potentially benefit from the features
> offered by Wikimedia Space (a conversation started in this list by
> volunteers years ago):
>
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/t/integrating-mailing-lists-to-wikimedia-space/136
>
> Wikimedia Space doesn't prevent improvements in Meta or other places. If
> anything, we believe it will become an incentive for improvements in all
> community channels willing to keep up. In our opinion, potential
> improvements in Meta shouldn't prevent the release of Wikimedia Space. What
> you see today is the result of about three weeks of part time work by four
> people. Now consider how much time would it take to discuss, agree,
> resource and implement an equivalent feature set in MediaWiki, and (just as
> important) equivalent social expectations and norms in the Meta community.
>
> We are just starting to promote Wikimedia Space. Yesterday we did an
> initial announcement to get a first wave of users, see how the prototype
> would take hold, and gauge the initial response. We plan to continue
> promoting Wikimedia Space in more channels. In fact, you can help. If there
> is a channel missing, please point to its URL, or (even better) feel free
> to forward the announcement yourself.
>
> If you have found an actionable problem, we welcome bug reports and feature
> requests: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/space/
>
> We encourage you to give Wikimedia Space a try. Even if today someone
> remains unconvinced, signing up won't hurt them. Then give it a week, and
> let us know. We really mean it! Prototypes always contribute to better
> discussions.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-23 Thread Samuel Klein
An element of our community which gives me hope, is that we are ready to
earnestly engage with any input, even the tendentious.  This is getting a
bit repetitive, however, and as Martijn notes is not the best use of this
list.



On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:06 PM Martijn Hoekstra 
wrote:

> Wikipedia itself can never be more reliable than the sources it cites. If
> it's allowed to cite itself, then there is no "bottom" to lean on, and its
> quality would quickly drop.
>
> That you conclude from that that wikipedia is unreliable and therefore
> failed is IMO such a silly proposition, that I dont know whether you
> seriously think this, in which case we should probably take this off list,
> or that you're engaging in sophistry and using arguments you don't think
> are reasonable in the first place.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 19:56 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dennis,
> >
> > I started this thread to discuss both conduct and content policies on
> > Wikipedia, and indeed how the two interact.  Wikipedia is a project to
> > build an encyclopaedia.  By its own criteria, encyclopaedias are reliable
> > sources and Wikipedia is not a reliable source; hence by its own
> criteria,
> > Wikipedia is not an encyclopaedia.  That is, it is currently in a state
> of
> > failure with respect to its own mission.
> >
> > One of the reasons for that state of failure is indeed the failure to
> > provide a collegial working atmosphere.
> >
> > Thrapostibongles
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:19 PM Dennis During 
> wrote:
> >
> > > "One (and not the most important) pieces of evidence for Wikipedia
> being
> > in
> > > a failed state is precisely that
> > > it does not, by the community's own admission, constitute a reliable
> > source
> > > "
> > >
> > > You have made this argument more than once. That might be a piece of
> > > evidence seems both wrong and not relevant to the sense in which people
> > > here as saying WP has failed, which is as a welcoming, "safe"
> environment
> > > for contributors and would-be contributors.
> > >
> > > It is good policy to make sure that contributors reach out to other
> > > sources, even when one believes that Wikipedia is as reliable as the
> > > average tertiary source we allow as a reference. It prevents us from
> > > relying exclusively on what can easily turn out to be a very narrow set
> > of
> > > points of view.  Does/did the Encyclopedia Britanica cite other EB
> > articles
> > > as references rather than include them as "see alsos"?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:27 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vito
> > > >
> > > > This rather tends to support my point.  One (and not the most
> > important)
> > > > pieces of evidence for Wikipedia being in a failed state is precisely
> > > that
> > > > it does not , by the community's own admission, constitute a reliable
> > > > source:whereas "Reputable tertiary sources
> > > > , such as
> > > > introductory-level university textbooks, almanacs, and encyclopedias,
> > may
> > > > be cited".  So Wikipedia fails in its aim of being an encyclopaedia
> on
> > > one
> > > > of the most important tests one could imagine, namely reliability.
> > And a
> > > > reason for that is its lack of effective content management policies
> > and
> > > > mechanisms to put them into effect (in the old days we called that
> > being
> > > an
> > > > editor, but that word on Wikipedia now is more or less a redundant
> > > synonym
> > > > for contributor).
> > > >
> > > > Now suppose that Wikipedia had effective editorial policies and
> > processes
> > > > that allowed it to assume the status of a reliable source, just like
> > the
> > > > encyclopaedia it aims to be.  You say that even in that situation, it
> > > would
> > > > be easy to manipulate.  On that assumption, how much easier it must
> be
> > to
> > > > "trick" it today when it has no such effective policies and processes
> > in
> > > > place!
> > > >
> > > > Thrapostibongles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement of Wikimedia Taiwan to the Foundation and the global Wikimedia Movement communities

2019-06-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Ahh so. Thank you for thinking about this and sharing the results of your
deliberation.  SJ

On Tue., Jun. 18, 2019, 10:36 a.m. Ted Chien,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Regarding to the recent Hong Kong Extradition Bill, Wikimedia Taiwan has
> issued the following statement, please have a read.
>
> ***
>
> Wikimedia Taiwan requests the attention of Wikimedia Foundation and global
> communities of Wikimedia movement to the Hong Kong Extradition Bill related
> issues and to draft out related policy accordingly.
>
> To our knowledge, the Government of Hong Kong Special Administrative Region
> recently has made a legal amendment about extradition to Taiwan, China,
> Macau, etc. Nevertheless, the draft of the amendment creates distrust from
> local residents and international stakeholders. After the major scale of
> protest, Hong Kong SAR Government announced the bill will be suspended for
> the moment.
>
> Wikimedia Taiwan has no comment regarding the internal affairs of Hong
> Kong. However, Hong Kong is a common transit location for the Wikimedia
> community members from Taiwan to attend international events. In 2015, the
> staffs of an independent bookstore in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong, were
> disappeared. That incident and the intent of the current amendment cause us
> as a Wikimedia chapter is worrying about the safety risk while traveling
> abroad.
>
> Therefore, we have three requests:
>
>1. To Wikimedia Foundation’s legal and safety department, please stay
>tuned regarding this incident, and co-op with Hong Kong User Group and
>Wikimedia Taiwan to provide possible support on legal and strategic
> issues
>in order to ease the risk concern for the Wikimedia volunteers who
>contribute in the region.
>2. Even though the legal concern is relieved temporarily, we still would
>like to ask for any Wikimedia organizations hosting an international
> event
>while making the travel arrangements to avoid arranging the Taiwanese
>participants to travel by airlines owned by China or Hong Kong, nor
> making
>the transit at Hong Kong or any other airports within China.
>3. The ongoing discussion about Wikimedia movement strategy should
>include evaluation about the possible influence of illiberal democratic
>regime’s threat to free knowledge. These regimes may bring damage such
> as
>legal intimidation, violent threat, and monopoly of ideology. From the
>recent experience of Chinese Wikipedia, we cannot anticipate openness
> and
>inclusion could passively defend from these kinds of sabotage. Instead,
> it
>needs a more powerful strategy and action to respond on.
>
>
>- This statement is open for all Wikimedia volunteers from Taiwan to
>cosign as individual or communities in the following link:
>
>
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Taiwan/Declaration/The_statement_of_Wikimedia_Taiwan_regarding_the_Extradition_bill_of_Hong_Kong
>
> This statement is also announced on our Facebook fan page:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/wikimedia.tw/photos/a.593864927316487/2171318986237732/
>
> On behave of Wikimedia Taiwan
> --
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Nice work.  It will take time, but keep it up.

On Thu., Jun. 6, 2019, 10:05 p.m. Thomas Shafee, 
wrote:

> Some more notes, responses and thoughts on the topics raised above!
>
> *Impact and reach*
> I fully agree that impact factor is of primary importance to many
> researchers. However, many grants that fund research also have started
> looking for evidence that researchers are making genuine efforts in public
> outreach. Example: A researcher spends 30 years on one of the most
> important livestock parasites, publishing review articles read by 100-1000
> people, yet the Wikipedia page is only 2 sentences long
> <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teladorsagia_circumcincta=860605498
> >.
> Their grant reviewers, potential students, farmers, politicians, and
> journalists read the WP page which gives a false impression of obscurity to
> the topic. Then they publish a review article with a WikiJournal which is
> dual-published as a citable version for their cv and copied into WP to show
> they they are trying hard to keep the general public informed
> (*10.15347/wjs/2019.004
> *).
>
> *Citing WikiJournals in Wikipedia*
> I see the COI point of view. On the other hand, the best cure for coi is
> transparency and I think the publishing of peer reviews that go along with
> papers. Overall, I think WP use of WikiJournals articles as sources
> (e.g. *10.15347/wjm/2017.005
> *) would remain independent and a
> matter for WP:RS discussion once the journals are accredited. However, one
> perennial problem in WP has notable topics lacking citable sources (e.g.
> first nations history / neglected tropical diseases / women historical
> figures). If a wikipedian were able to do the research into an aspect of
> that topic to a level that it meets rigorous scholarly standards and passes
> external peer review, then that may a be a reasonable way of minting a
> valuable new citable source. Again, that'd be up for the community to
> decide as the project progresses.
>
> *Indexing*
> We have started the practice of drafting indexing applications publicly
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_of_Medicine#SCOPUS_reapplication
> >
> for greater transparency (unique as far as I know).
>
> *Comparison to peer review within Wikipedia*
> WP essentially does post-publication editorial review (rather than peer
> review). External peer review by WikiJournals and internal PR/GA/FA review
> by wp editors perform complementary (not competing) roles. Many FA articles
> are definitely up to academic standards - and indeed their performance
> through peer review proves just that as an additional quality-assurance
> mechanism. That is not universally true (e.g. the review of GA article
> Surface
> tension
> <
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_Preprints/Surface_tension
> >
> includes
> "in some instances the ideas are incorrect ... It will confuse rather then
> enlighten readers new to the field"). FA has unique aspects that external
> academic peer review lacks (e.g. a sharper focus on readability, and
> formatting, spot-chacking of references).
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 23:37, Vi to  wrote:
>
> > Il giorno mer 5 giu 2019 alle ore 12:00 John Erling Blad <
> jeb...@gmail.com
> > >
> > ha scritto:
> >
> > > > > One reason; reach.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is.
> > >
> > > Reach leads to impact. You can't get impact without reach, but reach
> > > in non-scientific communities does not necessarily turn into reach in
> > > scientific communities.
> > >
> >
> > Apart from the hype I wouldn't releate reach and scientific impact. Most
> of
> > research community is forced to seek for impact, bibliometric indicators
> > and abiding by the publish or perish principle.
> >
> >
> > > There are nothing that blocks Wikipedia from doing peer review. (It
> > > has implicit peer review.) What you propose for WikiJournal is to make
> > > peer review a policy. That does not in itself turn articles into good
> > > research.
> >
> >
> > I disagree with this, Wikipedia doesn't make original research by
> > definition.
> > I concur we have something similar to peer review, though ours is less
> > "autorithy-centered".
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Be the change you want to see (was: WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive)

2019-05-15 Thread Samuel Klein
> > questions
> > > > may
> > > > > have been inconvenient or troublesome to address.  Yet I think the
> > > > > accountable thing to do would have been to respond, however
> briefly,
> > to
> > > > > prevent the sealioning and sanctimonious posts that filled the list
> > --
> > > > and,
> > > > > I am sure, greatly annoyed and demotivated many subscribers.  Even
> a
> > > > > response stating WMF chooses not to respond to a certain question,
> or
> > > not
> > > > > to dig up certain data, would have been better than the stony
> silence
> > > > that
> > > > > has become the all-too-common stance for WMF on this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you know, I also work for WMF (though I am writing this in my
> > > > volunteer
> > > > > capacity, and out of my care for the well-being of this list).
> > While I
> > > > > have never shied away from responding on this list, I have on
> > occasion
> > > > been
> > > > > scolded (internally) for attempting to answer volunteer queries to
> > the
> > > > best
> > > > > of my knowledge, for "outstepping my remit" or interfering in
> someone
> > > > > else's remit.  I have taken this to heart, and accordingly no
> longer
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > respond to queries such as Fae's (which in this case I find a
> > perfectly
> > > > > reasonable question, meriting an answer).  Several past attempts by
> > me
> > > to
> > > > > ping appropriate senior staff on questions on this list (or on talk
> > > > pages)
> > > > > have also met with rebuke, so I have ceased those as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > For these reasons I do not accept this wholesale blaming of this
> > list's
> > > > > subscribers on the difficulty having meaningful conversations here:
> > > > >
> > > > > But if we want to see staff members more actively
> > > > > > participating here then those long standing individuals need to
> > > really
> > > > > > thing about the tone in which they engage here, particularly
> those
> > > who
> > > > do
> > > > > > so most often. If that does not change, this list will continue
> to
> > > > > languish
> > > > > > and those few staff members who continue to engage here will
> slowly
> > > > > > disappear. This now increasingly perennial topic keeps coming up
> > and
> > > my
> > > > > > fear is that it will on go away through the increasing
> abandonment
> > > this
> > > > > > list faces.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is WMF that is not behaving collaboratively here.  And it is
> > within
> > > > > WMF's power to change it.  C-levels, the ED, and other managers at
> > WMF
> > > > > could all decide to participate more actively in this list; to
> > respond
> > > to
> > > > > questions or delegate the answering to their subordinates, who are
> > > > awaiting
> > > > > their cue; and indeed, they could themselves make more use of this
> > list
> > > > as
> > > > > a sounding board, a consultation room, and a reserve of experience
> > and
> > > > > diverse context.  They can be the change they (and you, and me)
> would
> > > > like
> > > > > to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps this e-mail could convince some of them.  And if not my
> > words,
> > > > then
> > > > > perhaps those of some of the other list subscribers.
> > > > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF commitment for a Wikimedia projects archive

2019-05-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Dearests.

The archival question is a good one. The wikiverse could use a more
archival gloss, and currently regularly breaks links where a slight
commitment to longer term reliably would preserve them intact. Nathan: long
term preservation is not yet part of the projects' raison d'etre. Perhaps
it should be.

For instance sep11.wikipedia.org doesn't redirect where it should. We may
not even still have an archival dump online. Deleted articles and their
revs are no longer targetable by links, not even with redaction (like an
oversighted rev in a rev list), making for ephemeralinks.

A better phrasing might be: how are archives made and maintained, where are
full copies of each project, is there any overview of how this is working?
& How can interested parties add to the mirror count of a project?

IA and IPFS each mirror some things. I don't know of any full-wikimedia
mirror that includes all projects and files, and while there may be an
internal mirror including all private userdata, I don't believe there is
one offsite -- a delicate kind of mirroring that calls for some thought.

SJ

On Tue., May 14, 2019, 6:03 p.m. Nathan,  wrote:

> The Internet Archive, incidentally, already seems to maintain copies of
> Wikimedia projects. I don't know to what degree of fidelity. Additionally,
> the WMF's core deliverable is already to provide and sustain access to its
> projects. It has an endowment for that purpose already. Other websites and
> media that might have ephemeral access due to their nature as short-term
> tools need the IA to be preserved, but the WMF's projects seem to occupy a
> different space. It's sort of like asking if the Library of Congress needs
> to invest in some external project to preserve and organize its
> collections. No, that is its actual raison d'etre.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Samuel Klein
admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles <
> > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Hello all,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the
> Commons
> > > > > > > components
> > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia
> Commons: a
> > > > highly
> > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the
> > > > Education
> > > > > > > >> Newsletter
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach
> > > > project
> > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone
> on
> > > > Commons
> > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be
> student
> > > > projects
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations.  But some
> rather
> > > odd
> > > > > > > remarks
> > > > > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of
> uploaded
> > > > > > > copyrighted
> > > > > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > care."
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud
> > > storage
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ".
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute?
> > > > > > > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Ditto.  But did not have the impression that this was {a, the} pressing
need.
Perhaps we also need better ways to highlight workload overloads (and
continue conversations about them through time, rather than sporadic
proposals of specific implementations that can easily fail) to stimulate
cross-project brainstorming to solve the most pressing problems of scale

On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 6:02 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> I have a fairly good understanding of copyright. Deal with a fair bit of
> copyright issues occurring via paid editing and flicker washing of images
> and would be happy to do admin work around that if the Commons community
> was interested.
>
> James
>
> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:00 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wikimedia project communities in general seem to be quite stagnant, if
> not
> > declining, apart from Wikidata, which is and always will be a whole
> > different case. In the case of Commons it was already very much as it is
> > now when I joined in 2009. I always found it a very pleasant place, but
> > overtime I understood I was the exception there, and most people had bad
> > experiences. And it is as Yann has shown there, it's a few sysops running
> > the entire show almost alone, not because they want that, but because
> > nobody else helps with that.
> >
> > IMO the problem is not with the existing sysops, but because people in
> > general do not feel attracted to copyright and other similar minucious
> > stuff which marks everyday life in Commons. And, without that knowledge
> it
> > is pointless, if not counterproductive, to place a candidacy to sysop. No
> > idea what the solution could be, but it certainly is not blaming Commons
> > and the existing sysops. If more people was interested in copyright, less
> > mistakes would be happening in Commons as well. Whatever the solution is,
> > it probably passes by that.
> >
> > Best,
> > Paulo
> >
> > Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga  escreveu no dia
> segunda,
> > 13/05/2019 à(s) 07:09:
> >
> > > A good question to ask would be why the admin group is not growing. And
> > > maybe (maybe) we can find a common answer to both problems pointed
> here.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing Community Strategy Liaisons

2019-04-19 Thread Samuel Klein
/wiki/User:RSharma_(WMF)
>
> [7] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gereon_Kalkuhl_(WMF)
>
> [8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LShangkuan_(WMF)
>
> [9] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:LTeles_(WMF)
>
> [10] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:FFort_(WMF)
>
>
> --
>
> Kelsi Stine-Rowe
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-17 Thread Samuel Klein
I see no reason to shut down projects, nor to tell participants to stop
collaborating on X in the spirit of a Wiki.

I see a great reason not to limit conversation about what a project around
X *could be* to the current state of a project that has that domain name.
There is plenty of energy around using wikis for news, or wikis for
courses, which is absolutely not captured by any of our current Projects or
projects.

We need
* Flexible ways to modify, fork, and experiment with names and projects
* Flexible ways to redirect, merge, and split projects and namespaces (as
half-successfully attempted with the incubator) without losing history or
editability

SJ

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 10:41 AM Yaroslav Blanter  wrote:

> Indeed, I am not a fan of Wikinews and I do not particularly see the
> project as in any way successful. However, if the project is shut down
> against the will of the community (I now mean the Wikinews community, or
> perhaps even specifically the English Wikinews community), I will ask
> myself  whether Wikivoyage (I am active in the Russian Wikivoyage, where we
> have a couple of dozen active users) could also be shut down one day
> against the will of the community, just because we are not successful
> competing with the brands like Lonely Planet, DK, or Michelin, for example.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 4:32 PM Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > Abandoning a project and shutting it down sends a message to all
> > volunteers that their work could be similarly abandoned and lost one day.
> > Is that a message we want to broadcast?
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk
> > Sent: 17 April 2019 00:46
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand
> > system for our 2030 goals]
> >
> > Hello,
> > Some years ago, some volunteers have proposed a new Wikimedia wiki. It
> did
> > not turn out as expected. That‘s okay, the movement should try out thing
> > from time to time.
> > But this wiki should not be seen as an eternal obligation to be kept.
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> >
> > Samuel Klein  schrieb am Di. 16. Apr. 2019 um 23:56:
> >
> > > Jennifer -- as you say, there is a contradiction here in the self-image
> > and
> > > internal narrative of the projects and movement.  A classic branding
> > issue
> > > ;)
> > > * On the one hand, we lack clear, consistent language to talk about
> > topical
> > > subprojects (what do you call 'the Current Events specialists on the
> > major
> > > language Wikpiedias'?  some obvious names have already been taken)
> > > * On the other, for the few Names that we assign to Projects, we
> > > overspecify what they mean ('Wikinews is original news reporting or
> > > synthesis, done on a wikinews.org site').
> > >
> > > We propagate this confusion of identity to those outside the projects
> > > trying to understand them; which in turn leads to misunderstanding in
> the
> > > world at large, and fewer potential collaborators joining the projects:
> > >  I was recently at a gathering of international fact-checkers.
>  They
> > > all prized Wikipedia as a model for what rapid collective editing can
> > > accomplish; assumed wikinews and wikitribune were the best efforts to
> > date
> > > of applying that to current events; and began an enthusiastic
> discussion
> > > about how to do it better.  When I pointed out that Wikipedias did
> > exactly
> > > what they were discussing, for the most popular news, this was
> startling
> > > and satisfying to them.  However as there is no central cafe or village
> > > pump for current events editors, and what portals do exist are
> impossible
> > > to find for all but the most persistent, it is not obvious how to
> engage
> > > with them...
> > >
> > > This is a challenge of naming + identity that really holds us back:
> ways
> > > for people to form groups, projects, message streams; and channel,
> > > advertise, amplify, polish them; use them for flash projects and
> > > coalescence, for awareness and thanks.  We have tried many small steps
> in
> > > this direction but have never made groups or hashtags work as simple,
> > > functional tools of alignment.
> > >
> > > SJ
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 4:23 PM Jen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Samuel Klein
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat., Apr. 13, 2019, 2:27 a.m. Gerard Meijssen, <
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Wikipedia is indeed clearly the core global brand. The notion that
> Wikidata will "never match Wikipedia whatever its future success" is a sad
> argument.
>

You misunderstand me. I do not mean in importance: Wikidata will surely be
equally important to knowledge sharing, and more pervasive, though the two
are hard to compare and not independent.

I mean purely in the memetics and brand sense: the history of humanity will
keep a mention of Wikipedia for centuries, should we persist that long.
Its success, elegance, and defiance of previous assumptions remains in many
places the dominant shorthand for crowdsourcing, period; for editable
websites;  the standard visual template for reference works.

Other projects that follow in those footsteps, even if they become much
more influential or pervasive, will not surpass the deep and broad appeal
of the original.



That said !

Aside from recognizing confusion around 'Wikimedia' that we can reduce, I
reckon a central
 branding focus should be making our messaging and core interactions
(including Wikidata and Commons meta pages) truly interlingual.  This takes
a combination of software, translators, and brand focus.  It is the obvious
way to meaningfully amplify reach and participation in underrepresented
regions: literally underrepresented because the projects don't seem to
speak to or to know how to hear from them; and because of iterative network
effects of those on projects inviting their friends, enemies, and
colleagues.

Rather than the somewhat zero sum efforts to change branding in a way that
shifts around community expectations (and may not attract any more
contributors), a branding effort that enhances cross language connection
and reminds people of the global bounty of the projects, would be an
updraft for all.

Run translation drives every month, posting banners in other languages on
each project inviting participation. ;). Revel in the experimental
brokenness of multilingual-talk-page tools and invite pan-language web
designers to.come play + iterate with us, w a bit UN and translator-network
campaign.

We don't have to keep repainting the sign on our house, we can now
relandscape the entire neighborhood.

SJ

p.s. if Commons hates 'Wikicommons' we can vid up and return to its
original name, MultimediaWiki.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-12 Thread Samuel Klein
Wikipedia is clearly the core global brand.
It also has a prominence in the history of the Web and internetworked
society that Wikidata, whatever its future success, will never match.

Internally, as all have noted, the dilemma is that it is associated with
the focus  and policies of one project.  So if we shift towards calling
things "Wikipedia Foo" instead of "Wikimedia Foo", we will have to go out
of our way to expand its connotations.  That takes an internal campaign: w
thoughtful & responsive answers to common questions /concerns.

SJ

P.S. Personally, while these recs encourage keeping the old project names,
I think Wikipictionary, Wikipews, Wikipedanta and Wikiperversity have a
chance of becoming even more popular with new readers & contributors.

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On Fri., Apr. 12, 2019, 11:33 p.m. Andrew Lih,  wrote:

> Responses below:
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 5:07 PM Strainu  wrote:
>
> >
> > I would argue that, on the contrary, for the outside word we were less
> > Wikipedia 10 years ago. Around that time there was still hope that
> > Wikibooks or Wikinews could still be successful, at least in some
> > languages. New language versions of other projects than Wikipedia were
> > created relatively regularly and many people who started with
> > Wikipedia moved on to maintain and develop other projects. Today the
> > Foundation has all but given up on all other projects except the 3 you
> > mention below (and, to some extent, Wikisource), Google is taking data
> > from Wikipedia (but prefers other dictionaries instead of Wikt) and
> > people barely hide a polite yawn when you talk about the other
> > projects.
> >
>
> For the record, I was one of the earliest skeptics of Wikinews and was one
> of the first accredited Wikinewsies in 2005. I believed the best way to
> critically understand its flaws was to actually immerse myself in it. I
> quickly saw it was not viable, and memorialized my thoughts about it for
> Harvard Nieman Lab (below). I say this not to brag, but simply to say that
> the "hope" of that era may be overhyped. :)
>
>
> https://www.niemanlab.org/2010/02/why-wikipedia-beats-wikinews-as-a-collaborative-journalism-project/
>
>
> > > - We stand on three legs (and more): If there was ever a time that
> > > Wikimedia was more than Wikipedia, it is now. The trio of Wikipedia,
> > > Commons and Wikidata is the bedrock of open knowledge sharing in a way
> > that
> > > was not true even 3 years ago.
> >
> > While that is true, the monolingual nature of the last 2 has left all
> > but the most determined outside this revolution. While not directly
> > relevant for the branding issue, it partially explains why people know
> > about Wikipedia more: it's in their language!
> >
>
> Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying Wikidata is a "monolingual" project? As
> a semantic database, it's perhaps the most multilingual-friendly project we
> have. I've collaborated with Portuguese and French GLAM projects on
> Wikidata because of how good it is at providing an interface for a shared
> data set using the user's native tongue. So I'm eager to hear more about
> why you believe Wikidata is in the "monolingual" bin.
>
>
> > Specialization has clear advantages, but again, is not helping with
> > branding towards the general public and that is our target, not GLAM
> > or photographers.
> >
>
> This is a valid critique, though I'm not sure we've ever put the full force
> of Foundation resources behind providing public awareness for Commons. It's
> mostly been through community-level efforts and SiteNotice banners, to my
> knowledge, for WLM, Commons POTY, Wiki Loves Africa, etc.
>
> Not sure what the point is here. System biases are also obvious in
> > Commons (copyright law) and Wikidata (very specific knowledge is
> > required to understand how data is organized).
> >
>
> I think the point is: add the systemic bias of needing to know how to read
> to the stack of the biases you also list here. There are a multitude of
> challenges, and I think you absolutely win with "understanding copyright"
> as the biggest user challenge we have. :)
>
>
> > This war is specific to English Wikipedia and a few other wikis
> > (admittedly, rather larger ones). Smaller communities have already
> > largely embraced Wikidata in infoboxes and elsewhere. This has not
> > changed how they represent themselves and I believe that the same
> > holds true for the renaming.
> >
>
> Oh yes, there are many folks highly envious of Basque and Catalan Wikipedia
> where Wikidata integration is used effectively on a large scale.
>
>
> > Also, I believe it is mistaken to think of the branding proposal as a
> > single, monolithic, yes-or-no proposal. It is rather a series of
> > proposals, some easier and some more complicated to implement. Each
> > should be analyzed independently for its own merits.
> >
>
> Agree. We won't know until/if it happens. I simply wanted to make sure a
> broad set of concerns were being incorporated into the risk assessment.
>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Sverige receives a total of USD 500, 000+ in funding for three new projects, and a cost reduction of USD 30, 000/year

2019-03-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Wonderful. Wikispeech will be amazing  :)

On Thu., 28 Mar. 2019, 6:31 am John Andersson, 
wrote:

> Wikimedia Sverige is proud to be the recipient of three new grants totaling
> around USD 500,000. We hope to work with many of you as part of these
> projects. If you are interested in getting involved or receiving updates
> please let me know.
>
> Furthermore, the chapter also has a new heavily subsidized agreement for
> our office space.
>
> Project 1: Wikispeech – The Speech Data Collector
>
> The first project is a continuation of the Wikispeech[1] project, a
> text-to-speech (TTS) system that converts written text into speech. From
> September 2019 to April 2021 we aim to finalize building the MediaWiki
> extension and to build tools to collect speech data to add pronunciations
> to Wikipedia, Wiktionary and Wikidata and to add more languages to the
> text-to-speech solution. The tools should also be possible to use for oral
> citations.
>
> The work happens in partnership with the Royal Technical Institute, STTS (a
> language processing company), Mozilla Foundation, Wikimedia Deutschland and
> the Swedish Dyslexia Association.
>
> As always, you can find the full application on our wiki (in Swedish):
>
> https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Wikispeech_–_Talresursinsamlaren_2019/Ansökan
>
> Project 2: Wikipedia in Libraries
>
> From 2019 to 2020 Wikimedia Sverige, together with the National Library of
> Sweden, will develop an online training module for Swedish librarians
> focused around free knowledge and the Wikimedia platforms. This will be a
> mandatory training for all of Sweden's 5,000 public librarians. Our hope is
> to give all of them a basic understanding of the Wikimedia projects, as
> well as to complement the online training with advanced courses for the
> most dedicated. The advanced courses will give them the tools to ongoingly
> organize activities and events independently at their libraries across the
> country.
>
> Furthermore, the librarians will be engaged in the #1Lib1Ref and
> FindingGLAMs campaigns.
>
> There is a great potential to receive continuous funding over the coming 3
> years if successful.
>
> As always, you can find the full application on our wiki (in Swedish):
> https://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Projekt:Wikipedia_i_biblioteken_2019/Ansökan
>
> Project 3: Bibliographical data on Wikidata
>
> We continue our work to include bibliographical data on Wikidata. The
> project details are still being negotiated with the funder. The project
> will start in mid-2019 and last until 2020.
>
> Cost reduction
>
> Starting from March 2019 we have a new agreement in place for a heavily
> subsidized coworking space office from the Swedish Internet Foundation.
> Through the agreement we will save us around USD 30,000 per year compared
> to when we had an office of our own.
>
> We have received this generous subsidy because Wikipedia is considered so
> important for the infrastructure of the Internet. We are very happy that
> the agreement does not have an end date and that we have the possibility to
> grow significantly over time as well (while keeping the generous subsidy).
>
> Please contact John Andersson (john.anders...@wikimedia.se) if you have
> any
> questions.
>
> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikispeech
>
> Best,
>
> John
>
> - - - -
>
> John Andersson
>
> Executive Director
>
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:50 PM Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada 
wrote:

> This is the escape velocity, I think that Wikipedia will never surpass
> Wikidata again.
>
> The singularity is near.
>

Hey Emilio!
Or, it passed us a while ago, but so quickly that we're only now noticing
it.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The latest news from the Movement Strategy Process

2019-03-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for the update Nicole, I was just thinking about this. WOW will have
feedback to share.

On Fri., 1 Mar. 2019, 12:10 pm Nicole Ebber, 
wrote:

> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> We have some “hot off the press” updates from the Movement Strategy Process
> Wikimedia 2030:
>
> == What are the working groups currently doing? ==
>
> Members of the nine working groups
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
> >[1]
> are busy analyzing their thematic area, exploring how it could evolve by
> 2030 and finalizing their set of guiding questions. The answers to these
> questions will form the basis of recommendations for structural changes
> that will enable the movement to successfully and strongly advance in in
> our Strategic Direction.
>
> The groups are working in the area of Advocacy, Capacity Building,
> Community Health, Diversity, Partnerships, Product and Technology, Resource
> Allocation, Revenue Streams, as well as Roles and Responsibilities. Each
> group is looking to have a first draft of their questions ready by the
> beginning of March. These drafts will then be refined and reworked in the
> run up to the Wikimedia Summit
> [2] at the end
> of March.
>
> == A recap of the in-person working groups' meeting in Berlin ==
>
> In February, three working groups (Roles and Responsibilities, Revenue
> Streams, and Resource Allocation) met in person
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Reports/_meeting_Berlin
> >[3]
> at the Wikimedia Deutschland offices in Berlin. They worked (almost)
> non-stop for three days, and came out with a set of guiding questions that
> they are now refining.
>
> == The Movement Strategy Process at the Wikimedia Summit ==
>
> Our process  will take center stage at the Wikimedia Summit
> [2] (March 29
> to
> 31 in Berlin), with representatives from the nine working groups presenting
> their work so far and engaging with Affiliates, the Wikimedia Foundation
> and its committees on what the next steps will be.
>
> == How can you get involved? Join our community conversation! ==
>
> What are the questions we are seeking answers to? How can the broader
> community contribute to the structural changes? Prepare to take part in our
> community conversations to find out! This will happen in March on the
> Meta-Wiki
> page  >[3],
> on several language wikis, and also via survey. In this online
> conversation, you will be able to offer your insight and feedback on the
> guiding questions.
>
> == What’s next? ==
>
> It is all systems go in the Movement Strategy Process. Alongside providing
> support to all the working groups, the core team is currently on the search
> for Strategy Liaisons
> [4]
> to act as the point of contact between the Working Groups and the Arabic,
> Farsi, French, German, Hindi, Mandarin, Russian, Spanish, and Portuguese
> communities. We are also looking for representatives from organized groups
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Strategy_Liaisons_Organized_Groups
> >[5]
> to become liaisons with the strategy process. And we have just added a
> Community Relations Specialist to our team, who will work with the
> community liaisons and ensure an effective dialogue.
>
> Please reach out to us with any questions or comments you might have.
>
> All the best,
>
> Nicole
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
>
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Summit_2019
>
> [3]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Reports/_meeting_Berlin
>
> [4] https://boards.greenhouse.io/wikimedia/jobs/1478679?gh_src=2a6a8b121
> [5]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Strategy_Liaisons_Organized_Groups
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Video Wiki

2019-02-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Brilliant.  Long in the making, much needed.

And for branding, the website devoted to this should be called Wikipedia
Media...

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:55 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> Hey All
>
> We have a new project called Video Wiki
> <https://videowiki.wmflabs.org/en> which
> allows:
>
>1. The easy creation of videos from scripts from Wikipedia and images /
>short video segments from Commons
>2. Scripts can have inline references and the text of the script with
>references end up in the captions of the video with references. These
>captions can be turned on and off
>3. At the end of the video it automatically adds
>   1.  the license for the text (CC BY SA license)
>   2. attribution of those who have edited the scripts
>   3. all the metadata for the references supporting the scripts
>4. The final video version on Commons lists the files that the video is
>derived from
>5. Attribution for the images is automatically added at the bottom of
>each image
>
>
> Have started a discussion here on Wikipedia and would appreciate peoples
> thoughts. Will be drafting a formal RfC about the use of such videos
> eventually.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Video_Wiki
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] CIS-A2K January Newsletter

2019-02-25 Thread Samuel Klein
urce and help the community better understand the
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> >
> > You can find the meta version of the newsletter at:
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [wikicite-discuss] Leaving the Wikimedia Foundation, staying on the wikis

2019-02-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Dario -- what news!  And how close that seems to your recent pushing of us
all.
How lucky the projects have been to have you building a research
constellation, for these many years.

Leila, congrats + warm wishes in your new role.

With wikilove and taxonometrics,
SJ

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 4:56 PM Dario Taraborelli <
dtarabore...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I've got some personal news to share.
>
> After 8 years with Wikimedia, I have decided to leave the Foundation to
> take up a new role focused on open science. This has been a difficult
> decision but an opportunity arose and I am excited to be moving on to an
> area that’s been so close to my heart for years.
>
> Serving the movement as part of the Research team at WMF has been, and
> will definitely be, the most important gig in my life. I leave a team of
> ridiculously talented and fun people that I can’t possibly imagine not
> spending all of my days with, as well many collaborators and friends in the
> community who have I worked alongside. I am proud and thankful to have been
> part of this journey with you all. With my departure, Leila Zia is taking
> the lead of Research at WMF, and you all couldn't be in better hands.
>
> In March, I’ll be joining CZI Science—a philanthropy based in the Bay
> Area—to help build their portfolio of open science programs and technology.
> I'll continue to be an ally on the same fights in my new role.
>
> Other than that, I look forward to returning to full volunteer mode. I
> started editing English Wikipedia in 2004, working on bloody chapters in
> the history of London <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield,_London>; 
> hypothetical
> astronomy <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine>; unsung heroes
> among women in science <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Potter>; and
> of course natural
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_South_Napa_earthquake>, technical
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2016_Dyn_cyberattack> and political
> disasters
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections>.
> I’ve also developed an embarrassing addiction to Wikidata, and you’ll
> continue seeing me around hacking those instances of Q16521
> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16521> for a little while.
>
> I hope our paths cross once again in the future.
>
> Best,
>
> Dario
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata used by other then Wikipedia

2019-01-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Hah!  Which genealogy site is it?  A page on WD that compiles these (and
uses that don't use the API but use bulk data) would be lovely.

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 10:45 AM Anders Wennersten 
wrote:

> We are now experiencing a couple of cases where third party uses data
> from Wikidata to create user interface of  data from it without any use
> of Wikipedia, to support their own systems. One is a genealogy website,
> who use Wikidata to present where parish having genealogy records can be
> found on a map, using coordinates etc  for these parisihes from
> Wikidata. Another in an early phase is a water authority who will load
> Wikidata with their data and present data from there.
>
> Is this part of a trend, are there many cases like these?
>
> Does statistics exist giving how many acesses goes to Wikidata from
> 3-parties? Are we missing these in our use statistic by focusing on
> access to Wikipedia?
>
> Anders
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Content showcases? Examples needed

2019-01-11 Thread Samuel Klein
You can make quite lovely little images by making text-wrapped squares w/
lede-sentence text.
I did this once to auto-generate thumbnails for txt files; it may work even
better w/ a little bolding + link highlighting.  That might work for
banners, as well as having a page-style overview.

//S

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:12 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> The work of Dr. Subas Chandra Rout from India who has translated more than
> 1,000 medical articles into the language Odia. The language is spoken by
> nearly 40 million people and is not supported by machine translation. For
> many of the articles this is the first time content has existed on the
> topic online.
>
> Details on Odia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odia_language
>
> A list of some of the translated articles
>
> https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%B0%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%A3%E0%AD%80:%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%95%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%A4%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%B8%E0%AC%BE_%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%9C%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%9E%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%A8
>
> An example of one of the translations
>
> https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%86%E0%AC%98%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%A4%E0%AD%8B%E0%AC%A4%E0%AD%8D%E0%AC%A4%E0%AC%B0_%E0%AC%9A%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%AA_%E0%AC%AC%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%AE%E0%AC%BE%E0%AC%B0%E0%AD%80
>
> Best
> James
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 6:20 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Two quick suggestions:
> >
> >- Picture of the year
> >- Integrated and successful GLAMs, where valuable content from GLAM
> >partners is reused in various Wikimedia projects, preferentially in an
> >integrated way, and already being successfully used in educational
> >institutions for teaching.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Paulo
> >
> > Joseph Seddon  escreveu no dia sexta, 11/01/2019
> > à(s) 13:08:
> >
> > > Hey Everyone!
> > >
> > > I have a question. Within the movement, what are the best online
> > showcases
> > > of our content, movement and volunteers?
> > >
> > > Context: We've been featuring the blog post about the Wiki Loves
> > Monuments
> > > winners in thank you email and banners to our readers and donors.
> > >
> > > We want to showcase our best content to our readers and donors and are
> > > looking for ideas about how we can do that.
> > >
> > > Got examples? Ideas? More complex suggestions for next year or future
> > > years?
> > >
> > > --
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> > >
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> > > *Advancement (Fundraising), Wikimedia Foundation*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

2018-12-31 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear Kiril, I assume you mean these lovely experiments by Shared Knowledge:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos_from_the_Republic_of_Macedonia

They are lovely, and look like they are now in use.  I like specific
examples like these; was there any description of the project afterwards
covering its welcome, the steps towards its inclusion, notes for future
research groups tackling similar projects in the future?

Kiril writes:
> The problem is that a general community consensus can not be easily
bypassed
> even when the novelty is an obvious improvement and the changes usually
get
> rejected as good-faith attempts.

A dedicated Draft-Wiki, like [test] but for text and media, with much
simpler standards for structure, sourcing, and metadata [perhaps combined
w/ incubator?]  would be a simple and welcome solution.  It would help not
only small media projects but also massive uploads from existing archives
and GLAMs take their first steps without overly complicating things.  I
think this is one of the most valuable simple additions we could make.

There is also a more general solution already available: to create a new
tool that participants in a new initiative use (which only later gets
integrated fully into the standard workflow on various projects).  But that
takes a bit of technical preparation each time.

Amir writes:
>   There are two relatively recently developed components in MediaWiki that
>   are important for developers: Content Model and Multi-Content Revisions.
>   They are not discussed very much among the less technical editors
because
>   they are pretty internal, and I'm really not an expert on what they do
>   myself, but as far as I understand them, they can serve as steps to
>   implementing Jane's suggestion.

Yes!  and thanks for bringing up T2167 -- that and adding a simple
mechanism for federating such data (so that every owner of a lowly
small-scale mediawiki instance can add to or revise metadata namespaces)
feel more like a basic expansion of wiki-nature --- with associated
expansion of the kinds and magnitude of knowledge included in our projects
-- than like just another set of features.

Warmly + medialogically, SJ

On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 2:18 PM Kiril Simeonovski <
kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> P.S. I can give you a very nice example of this happening in practice from
> my personal experience. Few years ago, we produced high-quality videos
> documenting physics and chemistry experiments that had to be added to
> related articles. The project was welcomed by some chapters, mostly
> despised by the Wikimedia Foundation, while the communities appeared to be
> not ready for the introduction of such videos with only some users on
> Wikimedia Commons showing some interest and sharing their thoughts.
>
> The main problem seems to be the lack of coordination between various
> stakeholders inside the movement on technology-related questions that are
> strategically important for the future of Wikipedia.
>
> Best,
> Kiril
>
> On Mon 31. Dec 2018 at 19:59, Kiril Simeonovski <
> kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paulo,
> >
> > I agree that more or less we know what activities are intended for new
> and
> > what for experienced users. The challenging part is to make a sensible
> > decision on whether to reach out to new users using the visual editor and
> > the translation tool or to continue with the old-fashioned code editor.
> > There are multiple pros and cons of either decision but it is reasonable
> to
> > believe that these tools were developed for some specific purpose. This
> > will gain even more weight once the mobile editing gets improved.
> >
> > Other examples soliciting important decisions are whether and how to
> allow
> > new users to use videos across articles or how to shape an article's
> > structure that differs from the standard one. In many cases, people that
> we
> > reach out to are smart in pinpointing Wikipedia's weaknesses and are
> eager
> > to propose innovative solutions that primarily aim at making the articles
> > reader-friendlier. The problem is that a general community consensus can
> > not be easily bypassed even when the novelty is an obvious improvement
> and
> > the changes usually get rejected as good-faith attempts.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: Wikimedia's new Chief of Community Engagement

2018-12-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Superb.  Thank you Katherine, Maggie + all;  and a warm welcome, Valerie!
:)

MS: and ID: remain excellent areas for language outreach; we're privileged
to have a strong community network there.

SJ

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 4:19 PM camelia boban 
wrote:

> Congratulations both and welcome Valerie. Wish you a wonderful work with
> the Wikimedians community.
>
> Camelia,
> on behalf of WikiDonne UG and AffCom
>
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 8:32 PM Philippe Beaudette  wrote:
>
> > Sounds like an amazing fit for the Wmf. Congrats to you all, and
> Maggie...
> > Take a break now. Good job.
> >
> > Philippe
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:36 AM Maggie Dennis  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, all.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:32 PM Katherine Maher 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Just over a month ago, we let you know that we had the reached the
> > final
> > > > stages of our search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.[1]
> > Today, I
> > > > am thrilled to let you know that we have appointed Valerie D’Costa to
> > the
> > > > role.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > I just wanted to follow up myself on Katherine’s note to voice my
> > > enthusiastic and excited congratulations to Valerie on joining us and
> > also
> > > to congratulate *us* on being joined by Valerie. Being part of the
> search
> > > panel looking for our next Chief of Community Engagement was an
> > interesting
> > > and illuminating experience; so many people with so many new...and
> > > different...approaches. I was absolutely electrified when I completed
> my
> > > first interview with Valerie, whose considerate and experienced
> approach
> > to
> > > community resonated with me immediately and deeply. I cannot wait for
> the
> > > opportunity to work with her in her new role. To those of you who
> haven’t
> > > yet: you’ll see what I mean when you meet her. :)
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Maggie
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-06 Thread Samuel Klein
I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite generally;
it's increasingly how I use the projects too!

A)  This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a jump
scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how I feel
about it.
~ Visual effect: Messages that flow smoothly in and out of the reading
experience are even nicer.
~ Message: Is there an estimate of the total impact on all readers, as well
as total effective fundraising?  If there is a very effective
compact/delightful banner, and an even more effective large/ambivalent
one, is there some internal calculus about the overal impact of running the
former for longer vs. the latter for a short period?
I'd like to think the best possible messages inspire and delight and
draw on positive emotions while raising funds, including for those who
don't donate, even if they do not yield the most donations per view.

B)  The tracking of whether I've donated, when choosing to show or not show
me banners, is definitely lacking.  Part of this is that we have taken an
overly-paranoid approach to gathering and anonymizing user data.  It is
entirely possible to cluster users for the purposes of
not-continuing-to-show-banners (maintain a dictionary of
user-fingerprint-hashes-already-seen, check to see if the current user is
in there, don't show banners if they are) without being able to see what
pages a given user is viewing.

I wrote more about this here:
https://blogs.harvard.edu/sj/2018/07/25/anonymizing-data-on-the-users-of-wikipedia/
 Please consider doing this; it is really hurting the user-experience of
the wiki projects (not only in this instance -- in so many other basic
instances of usage stats + testing over time!), for no benefit to anyone.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Jamal Khashoggi's call to action

2018-10-18 Thread Samuel Klein
The Global Voices translation team
<https://globalvoices.org/global-voices-translation-services/> may have
thoughts.   Syndication services may help use of the translations begets
interest.
Perhaps process insight from the AP?

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:52 PM Erik Moeller  wrote:

> Up until recently, Saudi Arabian journalist Jamal Khashoggi worked for
> the Washington Post. What happened to him? I couldn't say it better
> than Wikipedia: [1]
>
> (begin quote)
>
>   On 2 October 2018, Khashoggi entered the Saudi Arabian consulate in
>   Istanbul to obtain documents related to his marriage; he never left the
>   building and was subsequently declared a missing person.
>   Anonymous Turkish police sources have alleged that he was murdered
>   and dismembered inside the consulate.
>
> (end quote)
>
> The Washington Post has now published Khashoggi's last column, titled
> appropriately, "What the Arab world needs most is free expression".
> [2] In it, he writes of the need for translation efforts and platforms
> for free expression:
>
> (begin quote)
>
>   Arabs need to read in their own language so they can understand
>   and discuss the various aspects and complications of democracy
>   in the United States and the West. If an Egyptian reads an article
>   exposing the actual cost of a construction project in Washington,
>   then he or she would be able to better understand the implications
>   of similar projects in his or her community.
>
>   The Arab world needs a modern version of the old transnational
>   media so citizens can be informed about global events. More
>   important, we need to provide a platform for Arab voices. We
>   suffer from poverty, mismanagement and poor education.
>   Through the creation of an independent international forum,
>   isolated from the influence of nationalist governments
>   spreading hate through propaganda, ordinary people in the
>   Arab world would be able to address the structural problems
>   their societies face.
>
> (end quote)
>
> I'm wondering what folks in the Wikimedia community and movement make
> of this call to action. Is there more that Wikimedia can do, for
> example, to support translation of news articles into many languages?
>
> There is nothing in Jamal's own op-ed that indicates that it would be
> legally permissible to translate it. This is, unfortunately, the norm
> for news; there are few outlets that use a Creative Commons license,
> and those that do, typically tend to choose the most restrictive
> variants.
>
> Perhaps there would be value in an organized community effort that
> would pick up news articles [3] that _are_ licensed under free
> licenses, and translate them into as many languages as possible. If
> launched under a prominent umbrella -- e.g., Wikimedia --, this might
> then also help incentivize more outlets to selectively license content
> openly, permitting translation. Beyond its intrinsic value, such an
> effort would also help the Wikimedia projects by expanding the reach
> of impacted citations into more languages.
>
> Thoughts? Does Jamal's call to action resonate in other ways with
> Wikimedia's mission?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Erik
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi -- written by
> multiple authors and distributed under Creative Commons Attribution
> ShareAlike-License 3.0 Unported
>
> [2]
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/jamal-khashoggi-what-the-arab-world-needs-most-is-free-expression/2018/10/17/adfc8c44-d21d-11e8-8c22-fa2ef74bd6d6_story.html
> -- quoted as fair use
>
> [3] Likely restricted to some subset of outlets, e.g., sources most
> Wikipedia editions would accept as citations
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Plea from Wikimedia Portugal

2018-10-10 Thread Samuel Klein
rough with it, but can you imagine how we felt, the pressure
> > that was under some of us? It was all a bluff in the end, but this is
> what
> > you put us through.
> >
> > Notwithstanding, WMPT activities were happening in parallel. They are
> > listed on our activities plan for anyone to see [14], and more are
> planned.
> > After several years of inactivity, we are happy to be on a sustainable
> > growth path, gradually building capacity and doing the best we can with
> the
> > resources available to us. We’ve also been using our personal contacts
> with
> > other movements in order to increase our organization’s capacity. Ana,
> > newly appointed to the Board, has just returned from Wiki Takes Zamora,
> > where she was learning from Wikimedia Spain, relaunching the
> collaboration
> > between both chapters. Two of the events we have planned for November are
> > using this paradigm. We’ll celebrate Wikidata’s sixth anniversary with a
> > local group of data enthusiasts in Porto, and near Lisbon we’re helping
> > with the organization and will participate in a FOSS event, so in both
> > cases we’ll also acquire event organization skills. This growth path is
> in
> > peril if you continue to undermine our efforts.
> >
> > Over the last half year we’ve been attacked, offended, insulted, received
> > multiple threats of judicial action by Vasconcelos, and even an actual
> > intimidatory letter from a lawyer working for him (but purportedly on
> > behalf of WMPT); and during this entire time we’ve tried not to escalate
> > the situation, not to engage with such attempts at direct confrontation,
> > nor make them public. You force us now to disclose this in order to clear
> > our name and set the record straight. With the help and support of the
> > legal and security departments of the Wikimedia Foundation, we have dealt
> > with the actions of Vasconcelos so far. And we will follow the
> disciplinary
> > procedures foreseen for these situations in our bylaws which may result
> in
> > his removal from the chapter.
> >
> > We’ve repeatedly complied in unusually strict terms with legal
> > requirements, and with AffCom’s roadmap, while dealing with Vasconcelos’
> > actions as privately as we could in order not to affect the public image
> of
> > the Wikimedia movement, nor its community – but honestly, we’re reaching
> > the point of exhaustion in light of AffCom’s puzzling behavior along this
> > process. We understand that AffCom may have reserves regarding our
> future,
> > but the way it is dealing with the situation is clearly
> counterproductive.
> > How can AffCom keep making new accusations without at least asking us for
> > information or confirmations?
> >
> > Currently, our major source of disruption, distress and anxiety is each
> new
> > message we receive from AffCom, as they repeatedly defy our expectations
> of
> > a partner claiming to be attempting to help us getting back on our feet.
> We
> > are actually wary that the next address could be an announcement that
> > Wikimedia Portugal has been de-recognized, even after we have passed our
> > “road of trials”, due to the ever moving goalposts. Several of our key
> > people have reported insomnia, including myself, after receiving your
> > communications. We’re reaching our physical, psychological, and
> > motivational limit, in great part due to AffCom’s actions and
> inexplicable
> > lack of support and transparency.
> >
> > It is time to stop this! Despite what we still believe were your best
> > intentions, AffCom has inadvertently caused significant destabilization
> for
> > Wikimedia Portugal.
> >
> > Please honor your part of the compromise, lift this suspension and let us
> > proceed in the productive pursuit of our collective mission.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Gonçalo
> > Gonçalo Themudo
> >
> > *Presidente*
> > *Wikimedia Portugal*
> > *Email: *goethe.w...@gmail.com
> > *Website: *http://pt.wikimedia.org <
> https://sites.google.com/view/themudo>
> > *Imagine um mundo onde cada ser humano pode partilhar livremente a soma
> de
> > todo o conhecimento, na sua própria língua.*
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia in an abstract language

2018-09-29 Thread Samuel Klein
I just saw this on the conference program!  It looks wonderful. Curious
about the estimated magnitudes :)

Thank you for sharing.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018, 2:32 PM Denny Vrandečić  wrote:

> Semantic Web languages allow to express ontologies and knowledge bases in a
> way meant to be particularly amenable to the Web. Ontologies formalize the
> shared understanding of a domain. But the most expressive and widespread
> languages that we know of are human natural languages, and the largest
> knowledge base we have is the wealth of text written in human languages.
>
> We looks for a path to bridge the gap between knowledge representation
> languages such as OWL and human natural languages such as English. We
> propose a project to simultaneously expose that gap, allow to collaborate
> on closing it, make progress widely visible, and is highly attractive and
> valuable in its own right: a Wikipedia written in an abstract language to
> be rendered into any natural language on request. This would make current
> Wikipedia editors about 100x more productive, and increase the content of
> Wikipedia by 10x. For billions of users this will unlock knowledge they
> currently do not have access to.
>
> My first talk on this topic will be on October 10, 2018, 16:45-17:00, at
> the Asilomar in Monterey, CA during the Blue Sky track of ISWC. My second,
> longer talk on the topic will be at the DL workshop in Tempe, AZ, October
> 27-29. Comments are very welcome as I prepare the slides and the talk.
>
> Link to the paper: http://simia.net/download/abstractwikipedia.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> Denny
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: First round of Working Group members

2018-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
ens e.
> > > > V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts
> > > > Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig
> > > > anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin,
> > > > Steuernummer 27/029/42207.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation and Kiwix partner to grow offline access to Wikipedia

2018-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
It would be nice to have a little 6-pg workbook describing the idea of
wiki, and explaining how to create + edit your own wiki pages. Texting a
phone # (for tiny facts + images), offline/on a phone, on a local server,
or posting asynchronously to wikimedia; and details of what is expected of
edits + uploads directly to WP.

//S.



On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 9:35 AM James Heilman  wrote:

> The intro page of the offline medical wiki says that the content is written
> by volunteers and invites the reader to join us and make the next version
> better.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 14:03 Leinonen Teemu 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Anne,
> >
> > On 23 Jul 2018, at 19.24, Anne Gomez  > ago...@wikimedia.org>> wrote:
> > Personally, I see the New Readers efforts as a step in that direction,
> and
> > not the end goal. We're working on bringing more people to understanding
> > Wikipedia/Wikimedia with the hope that they'll contribute down the
> line...
> > but, in my opinion, we can't expect people to contribute if they don't
> > visit our sites or understand the values and structures we have built to
> > support building knowledge.
> >
> > Fair enough. I am just afraid that people who are from the beginning
> > invited to be a “reader”, called “readers”, not having “edit” -button,
> not
> > getting the full Wikipedia -experience, will not get the “values and
> > structure”, either. For them Wikipedia will be a free encyclopedia, not
> the
> > free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
> >
> > I think the message for the people using the offline Wikipedia should be
> > something like that we are really, really sorry that at this point of
> time
> > we can only provide you access to read the content, but we are working
> hard
> > to make it possible that your knowledge, in your own languages will be
> part
> > of the "sum of all knowledge”. :-)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > - Teemu
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustees participation in the Movement Strategy Process

2018-07-19 Thread Samuel Klein
Many thanks, Kaarel and Chris. :)



On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:10 PM Kaarel Vaidla 
wrote:

>  Dear Craig and SJ,
>
> > > Which group focuses on information quality and accuracy?
> >And which group focuses on information breadth and coverage?
> If these are cross-cutting issues touching on many groups, where should
> relevant input go?
>
> Thank you for forwarding your questions and input in relation to the
> strategy process!
>
> We have not yet set up a place or page where collect the input on meta, but
> we plan to do so in the near future. Currently I can invite you to leave
> the questions and comments on the *Working Group talk page* [1], so it can
> be commented on and later be fed into relevant Working Group. You can also
> add tags / comments to state where you think they might fit in.
>
> The topics you have mentioned in this thread are indeed cross-cutting and
> related to various Working Groups. What I can suggest is publish the
> question with rationale behind it in the context of the proposed thematic
> areas for Working Groups. Regarding the wide scope of the proposed
> questions, it would make sense to provide some more context and specify
> diverse aspects of these questions, so their focus would be more clear for
> the Working Groups and they can be better fed into discussions / be
> commented on.
>
> Personally, at a first superficial glance, I can see strongest connections
> for these questions to the Diversity, Partnerships and Product & Technology
> groups, but like I said, it would be easier to say, if the questions would
> be more elaborated. Feel free to share your point of view or understanding!
>
> Thank you for bringing this topic up and looking forward to receiving more
> input from you throughout the process!
>
> Wishing you a nice end of the week!
> Kaarel
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:34 PM Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi SJ,
> >
> > I think everyone who is taking part in this stage of the strategy process
> > already knows about it.
> >
> > There was of course an open call for members of the working groups a few
> > weeks ago, and the working groups will have some unspecified method of
> > involving the broader community in these conversations, though I expect
> the
> > only substantive conversations will happen among working group members -
> > just as to date the only substantive conversations about movement
> strategy
> > have happened at the Wikimedia Conference.
> >
> > I genuinely don't know whether anyone including WMF thinks the WMF
> advisory
> > board still exists.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2018, 17:07 Samuel Klein,  wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:48 PM Craig Newmark <
> craig.newm...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maria, thanks, much appreciated!
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hear, hear!  It has been good to see the updates all year.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > Which group focuses on information quality and accuracy?
> > > >
> > >
> > > And which group focuses on information breadth and coverage?
> > > If these are cross-cutting issues touching on many groups, where should
> > > relevant input go?
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:54 PM Chris Keating <
> > chriskeatingw...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > No-one seems to be particularly sure if the Advisory Board is still a
> > > > thing or not.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Let's fix that :)   This seems like something advisors are particularly
> > > suited to.
> > >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustees participation in the Movement Strategy Process

2018-07-19 Thread Samuel Klein
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:48 PM Craig Newmark 
> wrote:
> >
> > Maria, thanks, much appreciated!
>

Hear, hear!  It has been good to see the updates all year.


> > Which group focuses on information quality and accuracy?
>

And which group focuses on information breadth and coverage?
If these are cross-cutting issues touching on many groups, where should
relevant input go?

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:54 PM Chris Keating 
wrote:

> No-one seems to be particularly sure if the Advisory Board is still a
> thing or not.
>

Let's fix that :)   This seems like something advisors are particularly
suited to.

SJ
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] On traceability and reliability of data we publish [was Re: [Wikidata] Solve legal uncertainty of Wikidata]

2018-07-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello Mathieu!  I agree that tracing the full history of a data cite is
important, independent of license.  I'm thinking about scalable solutions
for this.
It's definitely not the only factor in reliability; but it does matter who
entered the data (for instance) as one way to estimate the importance of
doublechecking a cited source to confirm that the data is found there.

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 11:59 AM mathieu lovato stumpf guntz <
psychosl...@culture-libre.org> wrote:


> I agree this is misconception that a copyright license make any direct
> change to data reliability. But attribution requirement does somewhat
> indirectly have an impact on it, as it... enforces traceability.
> That is I strongly disagree with the following assertion: "a license
> that requires BY sucks so hard for data [because] attribution
> requirements grow very quickly". To my mind it is equivalent to say that
> we will throw away traceability because it is subjectively judged too
> large a burden, without providing any start of evidence that it indeed
> can't be managed, at least with Wikimedia current ressources.
>
> Now, I don't say traceability is the sole factor one should take into
> account in data reliability, but certainly it is one of them.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili User Group

2018-06-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Yea!  Kudos to Baba Tabita, Kipala, Mohammed and all.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:08 PM KuboF Hromoslav 
wrote:

> Big congratulations colleagues! You can make a HUGE change in Africa!
> Regards
>
> KuboF Hromoslav (Michal Matúšov)
>
> 2018-06-10 15:49 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin :
>
> > Hi everyone!
> >
> > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has recognized
> > [1] Jenga Wikipedia ya Kiswahili User Group [2] as a Wikimedia User
> Group.
> > The group aims to create and improve content for the Swahili Wikipedia,
> and
> > to support the recruitment and development of Wikimedia contributors from
> > East Africa.
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kirill Lokshin
> > Chair, Affiliations Committee
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
> > Resolutions/Recognition_Jenga_Wikipedia_ya_Kiswahili
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Jenga_Wikipedia_ya_Kiswahili
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appropriation of the Wikimedia Blog by the WMF

2018-06-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi David!  As always, I appreciate your wisdom and thoughtfulness. I don't
understand the issue at hand, however. A change from blog.wm.org to
blog.wmf.org? Something else?

We do surely need to help individual metapedians grow, mentor, become more
effective over time, without becoming overwhelmed.

Warmly, SJ

On Fri 8 Jun, 2018, 6:26 PM David Cuenca Tudela,  wrote:

> Since Ed Erhart didn't honor my request of posting in this mailing lists to
> discuss the plans to appropriate the Wikimedia Blog for the Wikimedia
> Foundation [1] (although I would have preferred that he had done it himself
> as he is the visible face behind this change, and therefore the burden of
> proof is on him to prove to the community that this is the right change), I
> am posting to this list with the hope that it can be discussed with people
> for whom these things matter.
>
> The Wikimedia Blog [2] has the title "News from Wikipedia and the Wikimedia
> movement", and in case you don't know it it is run by the WMF [3]. This
> blog has been operating under the existing URL for many years, and I
> believe there was a general satisfaction with the way is run, the quality
> of the stories, the amount, etc. However, as I mentioned in the Phabricator
> ticket [1] I find the idea of moving the blog to the Wikimedia Foundation
> site not adequate and not in the spirit of the Wikimedia movement.
>
> I do not find the intention to move the blog to the WMF site to be in the
> spirit of the Wikimedia movement because our movement is a diverse field
> that is based on the idea of "commons" [4], and I feel that the Wikimedia
> Blog is one of those commons. As I see it now the blog sits in the middle
> of the community, and although it is run by the WMF, it can be seen as a
> shared space between the WMF, the affiliates, and the community. By moving
> the blog to the WMF site, the blog would lose its status as a commons and
> it would become "the blog of the WMF". I think that if the WMF wants a
> blog, they can create a new one, but they should leave the existing blog as
> it is, as a shared space.
>
> Intentions like this makes me think that in the WMF there is not enough
> "wisdom", that strange quality that I am trying to make important in our
> movement without much success [5]. This lack of wisdom is not only present
> in the WMF, also in our movement I percieve, if not lack of wisdom, at
> least lack of empathy [6]. It saddens me and it makes me stressed.
>
> Issues like this one about the blog make me think that the movement needs
> dedicated people that cultivate wisdom and encyclopedic knowledge about the
> movement (I might have the former, but not the later), and that we put the
> qualities of those people to the service of our community. I feel like a
> little kid who wants to play a nice game with his friends, and then he sees
> a big bulldozer coming to destroy his playing field. If it is not clear for
> you, the "bulldozer" is how I see the "corporate WMF" coming to destroy the
> soul of what I love most.
>
> Tracking these kind of "behind the scenes" events takes me too much time. I
> feel that I have reached more than the maximum of my capacity as a
> "volunteer" (ha, what a joke of a word), and that I would risk losing my
> current job if I am caught again participating in the Wikimedia projects
> during my work hours, which I do without restrain. Not only that, it also
> takes most of my waking time, specially because the movement has grown so
> big that I feel overwhelmed in my capacity as metapedian [7]. I also feel
> that it has started affecting my mental health. I do not know if I am the
> only one, but as it is right now contributing to the Wikimedia projects is
> *very* stressful, and since it is my main activity, I don't have time to
> wind down, and since I do it as a "volunteer", I do not have free time to
> recover. I also fear that if I would not do it myself nobody else would do
> it, and if nobody would take their individual responsibility seriously,
> then nobody would care for the good things in this world, and if nobody
> would take care of the good things in this world, then we better start
> saying goodbye to it RIGHT NOW, because the world is a fucking mess and
> nobody is standing up to say the things as they are, or as they should be.
>
> I spent 14 years of my life in the Wikimedia projects with various degrees
> of involvement, working for free, and receiving compensation [8], and I
> must say that the quality of my work has been exactly the same, my
> responsability has been exactly the same, and it never mattered if I hold a
> position of "power" or not, I always acted exactly the same, the only thing
> that has changed is my "awareness", and my capacity to listen, which allows
> me to have more effective conversations that build real consensus [9]. I
> say all that because many people in this movement seem to have an issue
> with money. Get over it guys. It is just a tool, like a computer, like a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] temporary changes to WMF's grants programs

2018-06-06 Thread Samuel Klein
se changes, visit our Meta page, where you will find
> > links to all eligibility information.[2]  Please direct your comments and
> > questions there, or reach out to the program officer overseeing the
> > relevant grant program. What happens next? In collaboration with
> Wikimedia
> > communities, including current grantees, grants committees, the Wikimedia
> > Foundation staff and Board, and the forthcoming working group on movement
> > resources from the movement strategy, we will participate in Phase 2 of
> the
> > movement strategy.  This temporary phase will be critical to defining how
> > our movement can direct resources more effectively towards our shared
> goal
> > of becoming the essential infrastructure for free knowledge. We expect
> that
> > there could be major changes to our funding processes in the long term,
> and
> > that these changes will reengineer the roles of participating
> organizations
> > (the Wikimedia Foundation, committees, and grantees alike). This is why
> it
> > is important for everyone interested to participate, and that what comes
> > next derives from a collective effort. Kindly direct any questions or
> > comments to the discussion page on Meta wiki.[2]  Best wishes,Katy
> > LoveDirector, Community Resources team[1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Direction
> >
> > [2]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources/Annual_Plan/Temporary_changes_to_grants_programs
> > <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources/Annual_Plan/Temporary_changes_to_grants_programs
> >
> > *
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GDPR

2018-05-31 Thread Samuel Klein
I agree with everything you say 100%.

On Fri 1 Jun, 2018, 2:50 AM sashi,  wrote:

> Another follow-up:
>
> ==
> Benjamin Lees wrote: "No, French Christians are just tagged with
> subcategories of Category:French Christians. The "requiring diffusion"
> category that you complain of is in fact a way to tell editors that
> pages in the category should really be in subcategories instead."
> ==
>
> Aha! You're right, I had not realized that "diffuse" (disseminate/spread
> widely) was being used as specialized en-wiki-jargon for
> "subcategorize". It might be wise to give that hidden category a more
> descriptive name.
>
> I looked into one of the many BLP entries with an unscourced
> Category:French Jews tag, and found a review of a book they wrote. In
> that book, the person stated that while they had a Jewish mother, they
> did not consider themselves Jewish.
>
> Given that the category French Jews contains more members than the
> category French Roman Catholics, and that there are living people
> included in both categories... I seriously wonder what it is that
> motivates folks to anonymously tag others in this way (i.e. whether they
> want to be tagged or not).
>
> The Library of Congress, the BNF,  Wikidata, etc. don't label people
> according to religion, unless their notability is due specifically to
> their religion (e.g. Alfred Dreyfus, Maimonides, etc.).  On en.wp people
> being labeled as Jewish/Catholic, etc. tend to be industrialists,
> politicians, journalists, bankers etc.  I don't think this is "best
> practice" and I'm afraid I do not agree that en.wp is mostly "getting it
> right" with regard to this specific question.  Fr.WP and Wikidata are
> doing much better.
>
> The relevant section on "data subject" privacy rights in the GDPR (in
> English) is based on the 1978 French law I cited earlier (though it has
> become more restrictive since -- see below).  As David Gerard noted, it
> is quite likely that this affects not only Wikipedians (who can petition
> to have libel/slander concerning their *online identity* (cf. definition
> of data subject) removed from (inter alia) block logs), but also the
> *content* of biographies of living people in the encyclopedia.
>
> == GDPR (Article 9)==
>
> *Processing* of personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin,
> political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, or trade union
> membership, and the processing of genetic data, biometric data for the
> purpose of uniquely identifying a natural person, data concerning health
> or data concerning a natural person's sex life or sexual orientation
> shall be prohibited.
>
> ==
>
> As one who has contributed to the projects since 2006, I am posting this
> here not because I wish to sow dissent, but because I think some quick
> thinking and corrective action is needed.
>
>sashi
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ⠠⠺⠓⠁⠞⠄⠎ ⠍⠁⠅⠊⠝⠛ ⠽⠕⠥ ⠓⠁⠏⠏⠽ ⠞⠓⠊⠎ ⠺⠑⠑⠅⠦ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 20 May 2018)

2018-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
and Pine: thanks very much for compiling and sharing these.

On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 12:21 AM Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Between the Brackets*
> Yaron Koren produced a 30 minute digest of previous episodes of this
> podcast. Much of the episode will be understandable by people who are not
> developers but are familiar with how MediaWiki works. I enjoyed listening
> to this: https://betweenthebrackets.libsyn.com/episode-8-btb-digest-1
>
>
>
> *WMF awards of Project Grants and Rapid Grants*
> * Nine Rapid Grants, with maximum amounts of $2000 each, were awarded to
> promote readership:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/16/rapid-grants-awarded/
> * Eleven Project Grants, totaling $354,654, were awarded for diverse
> projects:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-May/090291.html.
> There will be a Project Showcase video meeting on June 14.
>
>
> *Reports from Wikimedia Conference 2018 participants*
> I especially appreciated this detailed report from Peaceray and Joe Mabel
> which mentions a wide range of subjects including Structured Data on
> Commons, Learning Days, possible ways to incorporate more diverse citations
> into Wikipedia, lightning talks, libraries and partnerships, and general
> thoughts about the conference:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_Wikimedians/2018_Wikimedia_Conference_report
> .
> Conference reports are currently available in English, Thai, French,
> Ukrainian, Latvian, German, and Polish:
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Further_reports.
>
>
> *Report from the Wikimedia Conference 2018 Strategy Track*
> Significant good-faith effort appears to be invested in the strategy
> process:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track
>
>
> What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any
> language.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ⠠⠺⠓⠁⠞⠄⠎ ⠍⠁⠅⠊⠝⠛ ⠽⠕⠥ ⠓⠁⠏⠏⠽ ⠞⠓⠊⠎ ⠺⠑⠑⠅⠦ / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 20 May 2018)

2018-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Asaf: do tell!

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 5:23 PM Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I learned that Asaf was at the Nigerian Senate ... A present from me for
> the Nigerian people; Nigerian politicians but in Yoruba :) Quite impressive
> actually what they already have (compared with English)..
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> https://yo.wikipedia.org/wiki/On%C3%AD%E1%B9%A3e:GerardM
>
> On 20 May 2018 at 06:20, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > *Between the Brackets*
> > Yaron Koren produced a 30 minute digest of previous episodes of this
> > podcast. Much of the episode will be understandable by people who are not
> > developers but are familiar with how MediaWiki works. I enjoyed listening
> > to this: https://betweenthebrackets.libsyn.com/episode-8-btb-digest-1
> >
> >
> >
> > *WMF awards of Project Grants and Rapid Grants*
> > * Nine Rapid Grants, with maximum amounts of $2000 each, were awarded to
> > promote readership:
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/05/16/rapid-grants-awarded/
> > * Eleven Project Grants, totaling $354,654, were awarded for diverse
> > projects:
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-May/090291.html.
> > There will be a Project Showcase video meeting on June 14.
> >
> >
> > *Reports from Wikimedia Conference 2018 participants*
> > I especially appreciated this detailed report from Peaceray and Joe Mabel
> > which mentions a wide range of subjects including Structured Data on
> > Commons, Learning Days, possible ways to incorporate more diverse
> citations
> > into Wikipedia, lightning talks, libraries and partnerships, and general
> > thoughts about the conference:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_Wikimedians/
> > 2018_Wikimedia_Conference_report.
> > Conference reports are currently available in English, Thai, French,
> > Ukrainian, Latvian, German, and Polish:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Further_reports.
> >
> >
> > *Report from the Wikimedia Conference 2018 Strategy Track*
> > Significant good-faith effort appears to be invested in the strategy
> > process:
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> > 2018/Documentation/Movement_Strategy_track
> >
> >
> > What's making you happy this week? You are welcome to comment in any
> > language.
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for status update on CC-BY-SA 4.0

2018-05-16 Thread Samuel Klein
No.
OCW uses CC-NC-SA 4.0; Wikimedia uses CC-SA 3.0.

Denny is asking where we are in upgrading to CC-SA 4.0, which is a very
good question. :)
That will provide all of the same modes of reuse as the 3.0 license, but is
more cleanly compatible with other 4.0 licenses, particularly around edge
cases.

SJ

P.S. other MIT groups are moving towards licenses without the NC clause;
with a little high-volume video conversion help we could accelerate this
process!




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> I think this CC-4 licensing would allow for 1) sharing, 2) adapting, but 3)
> non-commercially. At least this is what I learned when I was in
> communication a number of times with the MIT associate *dean* of
> digital *learning
> Cecilia d'Oliveira *at the time about sharing CC-4 licensed MIT
> OpenCourseWare now in 5 languages (re WUaS). Would this indeed be the case
> for Wikimedia resources?
>
> Cheers, Scott
>
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 4:15 PM, Denny Vrandečić <vrande...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > About one and a half years ago, there was a consultation process about
> > updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use to move from CC 3.0 to 4.0 licenses.
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Creative_Commons_4.0
> >
> > I would like to ask what the status of this proposal is, and whom to
> bother
> > to get this unstuck in case it is stuck.
> >
> > Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to deal with spam subscription to mailing list

2018-05-09 Thread Samuel Klein
This is being discussed in detail on listadmins@wikimedia -- all list
admins should consider joining that v. low-traffic list.

I hope we can find a solution other than banning the entire aol network...
We should let aol know as well.


On Wed 9 May, 2018, 6:28 AM Gnangarra,  wrote:

> wikimedfia australia list is getting a lot of aol requests as well
>
> On 9 May 2018 at 18:23, Sam Walton  wrote:
>
> > I take it back, we're now having the same issue with the
> Wikipedia-Library
> > mailing list, and the edit filter mailing list spam has resumed. Is this
> > happening on every list?
> >
> > Sam
> >
> > On 8 May 2018 at 10:57, Sam Walton  wrote:
> >
> > > A couple of days ago we had exactly the same issue on the edit filter
> > > mailing list. It seemed to come through in a single burst and then
> stop,
> > > though. We haven't had any issues since.
> > >
> > > Sam
> > > *In my capacity as a volunteer*
> > >
> > > On 7 May 2018 at 13:58, Isaac Olatunde 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> We have been receiving tens of subscription to our mailing list (
> > >> wikimedia...@lists.wikimedia.org) from aol.com addresses. Today alone
> > we
> > >> have received over 30 subscription from that domain addresses and we
> > find
> > >> this very problematic. I'll need the help of a more experienced list
> > >> administrators in dealing with this.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you,
> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-26 Thread Samuel Klein
Yea, looks like a K*mart ad.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 2:55 AM Jan Ainali  wrote:

> Well, I guess Occam has it that a local Kmart store thought it was good to
> use a keyword that put them in the top of a fairiy common search result.
> Sneaky.
>
> Med vänliga hälsningar
> Jan Ainali
> http://ainali.com
>
> 2018-04-26 6:43 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra :
>
> > >
> > > ​No​
> > >> thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > G
> > ​angarra
> > .
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> > Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again:
> > Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017.
> > Order
> > here
> >  > reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Samuel Klein
There will always be a use for a fact-checked online encyclopedia.
https://everything2.com/title/The+Everything+credibility+problem

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just tried googling Wikipedia and am not seeing that result at all. I see
> " *Wikipedia* is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by
> volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation."
>
> When I do the same search on mobile, I see the same thing, except this time
> it is accompanied by the Dutch version, which I personally find very cute,
> and very Dutch.  Consider it the "Eeyore version of explaining free
> knowlege".
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > I would like to try that but could not work out what to do from the link
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of James Salsman
> > Sent: 15 April 2018 18:11
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
> >
> > If we want to do fact checking, which we do whether Congress has
> > decided publishers are responsible for the content of their
> > publications or not, the way to automate it is shown at
> > https://priyankamandikal.github.io/posts/gsoc-2016-project-overview/
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Jim
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
> > <amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote:
> > > I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really
> > agree
> > > upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
> > >
> > > But I am curious - who made this ad?
> > >
> > > בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole ‏<
> > ahcole...@gmail.com
> > >>:
> > >
> > >> I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
> linking
> > to
> > >> wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
> > used
> > >> to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
> > honest
> > >> than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
> > and
> > >> oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
> discussion
> > >> about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else
> > >> uncomfortabe with this?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-03-05 Thread Samuel Klein
+100 to this. Thank you, John.

I have slightly different ideas about what this should cost and how to
encourage translators and support a 100k-person  network of polylinguals +
babelfish + just.in.time conversion tools to melt language barriers.  But
simplicity, focus, persistence are what matter.!

SJ

On Mar 4, 2018 5:28 AM, "John Erling Blad"  wrote:

You guys are making the whole idea way to complex. There should be no
editorial board. That goes against the whole wiki-way of doing things.
There should be no additional foundation, that makes the whole idea
unmanageable. It will also cost way more than the gain.

Make thing DarnSimple™! A single list covering all universally valid topics
that a true encyclopedia should cover. Leave it to the translator to chose
which source article to use, as this creates the best opportunity to find
translators. Allow other editors to join in after publication, but do
respect the primary translators effort. Split the payment in one for the
initial translation, and one for the followup edits. Cap them to avoid
bloated articles.

Make a DarnSimple™ interface to manage the translations, where the only
action is for some identified user to tick of translated articles when they
reach a certain threshold. In another interface the translator must
identify himself with sufficient details to make the payment possible. This
should be an optional part of the usual configuration of an account. All
persons involved in the editing should have a split, but no payment will be
done before the account for each editor reaches some threshold.

Make the core list big enough to create a real encyclopedia, but small
enough that there are room for local additions. There should probably be
some way to specify local articles, like municipalities, important authors,
and politicians. A good test is whether such additional articles makes
sense in neighboring countries or languages. If it isn't possible to
describe such things in a generic way they should probably be left out. I'm
not sure if it should be possible to exclude articles, but I guess it will
be an issue for some languages. Think Armenian genocide, which is
problematic for some countries.

A small single-book encyclopedia is about 60-70k articles, so lets say such
a list would cover 25% of this. That would be a list of 15k articles. There
are perhaps 50 Wikipedias that are large enough to be sustainable, and
still small enough to miss articles on such a list. That would imply 750k
articles,  thus plenty of articles for those that would like to translate
one! Lets say this project is spread over 10 years with a cap on each
article at 2x USD 10, then it would cost about USD 1500k each year. I
believe that would be manageable. (Quite frankly I doubt it would be
possible to find many enough translators, so this will never reach the
proposed levels!)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the 2018 Ombuds Commission members

2018-01-31 Thread Samuel Klein
t an anonymous editor since 2006,
> > working primarily across Spanish language projects. He is a global sysop
> > and global rollbacker, an administrator on Commons, as well as having
> been
> > an OTRS volunteer for ~4 years. In the past he has served as an
> > administrator and bureaucrat on Spanish Wikivoyage. He joined the OC in
> > 2016.
> >
> > *Rubin16*
> > Rubin16 (<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Rubin16>) primarily edits
> > the Russian Wikipedia, where he is a bureaucrat and administrator. He is
> > formerly a member of their Arbitration Committee. He is an administrator
> on
> > Wikimedia Commons and is a Central Notice and translation admin on Meta.
> > (He is also a translation admin on Commons.) He is a member of Wikimedia
> > Russia. He joined the OC in 2015.
> >
> > *Polimerek*
> > Polimerek (<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek>) primarily
> > edits Polish Wikipedia (where he is an admin and former arbitrator),
> Polish
> > Wikibooks and Wikimedia Commons. He also serves the Wikimedia movement as
> > the president of Wikimedia Poland and on the Grant Advisory Committee. He
> > is a former CheckUser. Polimerek joined the OC in 2014.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > I'd also like to offer a huge “thank you” to those returning and those
> > coming aboard for the first time, as well as to all those applied. The
> > applications we received this year showed us an extremely able group of
> > volunteers across a diverse array of languages and projects, and while
> this
> > appointed mix of users may best serve the need for this year, I hope that
> > those who applied and were not appointed will consider applying again in
> > future years.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Karen Brown
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Karen Brown <kbr...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > *Hello all,*
> > >
> > [...]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright enforcement?

2018-01-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Editors used to do plenty by hand, if you recall. The on-wiki list of
mirrors and forks had compliance info, and individuals would reach out and
ask for license changes or takedowns.

Since having a legal team I don't know how these have happened, or which
individuals have made such claims & requests.

On Jan 29, 2018 10:19 AM, "The Cunctator"  wrote:

> Related, has there ever been any copyright enforcement for Wikipedia, or is
> its copyleft a joke and it's functionally purely public domain?
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 7:42 AM, Renée Bagslint 
> wrote:
>
> > Does the Foundation have any standing to enforce the copyright, since
> that
> > belongs to the individual contributors?
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 12:12 AM, James Salsman 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Attribution is often considered impractical, but providing the source
> > > date along with e.g. the article name can be used to derive the
> > > attribution, so it should be required. It's not just a good idea to
> > > require this information from content re-users like Amazon, Apple, and
> > > Google, but doing so will help encourage those who find issues to
> > > edit.
> > >
> > > If the Foundation doesn't make attribution or at least article date a
> > > requirement, then they are actively opposing editor recruitment.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:34 PM, The Cunctator 
> > > wrote:
> > > > The copyright requirement isn't attribution; it's attribution and
> > > copyleft
> > > > retention for derived works.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:28 AM, James Heilman 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> It search result only contains a snippet (and thus is fair use).
> Plus
> > > >> Google provide attribution in a lot of their results.
> > > >>
> > > >> J
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 1:03 PM, geni  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > On 5 June 2017 at 18:32, The Cunctator 
> wrote:
> > > >> > > Both Google and Graphiq are using pretty much the entire
> Wikipedia
> > > >> corpus
> > > >> > > for their results.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > However due to the way their output is structured it falls under
> > "you
> > > >> > can't copyright facts".
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
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