Re: [Wikimedia-l] Anybody alive?

2016-02-24 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 24 February 2016 at 18:18, Milos Rancic <> wrote:

> I think we should find first at least one of the list admins, so we
> could find the names of the persons we are searching. Austin?
> TheHelpfulOne? Richard (from Australia)?

*waves*, it's actually closer to ~1500, so a few more to find.

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[Wikimedia-l] Clarification by Lila Tretikov about MediaViewer

2014-08-13 Thread Thehelpfulone
Forwarding on request.


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ad Huikeshoven
 Date: 13 August 2014 12:40:14 BST
 Subject: Clarification by Lila Tretikov about MediaViewer
 Dear fellow Wikipedians and Wikimedians,
 Your work in creating the awesome thing Wikipedia is very much appreciated 
 and you're all recognized for contributing towards it's success. Last weekend 
 I have been to Wikimania. I really enjoyed the presentation by Fabrice Florin 
 about A Culture of Kindness [1]. One of the slide contains a picture of Jimmy 
 Wales holding a sheet of paper on which he has written 'be kind to everyone, 
 including the annoying ones'.
 There have been multiple threads on this list with many postings about 
 actions on the German Wikipedia with respect to MediaViewer. On meta Lila 
 Tretikov has posted several remarks including an additional clarification 
 [2], which I copy below:
 * Our overall communication, design, prioritization, testing, roll-out 
 mechanisms and general product development practices are insufficient and 
 must be brought on-par with our user’s expectations. We are not planning any 
 new major deployments until some of those basic improvements are put into 
 place. This will be done in the open; it is fundamental and urgent. I've 
 touched on it at Wikimania.
 * We are not removing MV.  It has been in production for months. Its removal 
 will cause more problems and confusion for our users.  We will hold ourselves 
 accountable to getting it to the level of quality that is expected of the top 
 * We are working to post next steps to clarify development and deployment 
 process including rights and responsibilities; you can expect more 
 information in coming days.
 * I encourage you to help us improve our process as a whole as well as this 
 specific feature by offering your time, advice, and collaboration. We will be 
 engaging you on it. Please refrain from making unassisted changes to  the 
 feature’s configuration.
 What Fabrice and Jimmy ask for is to be kind. What I would like to express is 
 that many of the postings about MediaViewer do annoy me, and some are very 
 annoying. What I do ask of my fellow Wikipedians is to continue to contribute 
 to Wikipedia in a kind way, to pay attention to what Lila has posted on meta 
 and which I copied above. 
 Some of you might be curious to learn to know the ideas of Lila. She made a 
 presentation at Wikimania, which can be viewed on line [3]. Please 
 collaborate in the development of processes in a kind way. Thank you.
 Ad Huikeshoven
 Bestuurslid / Board member Wikimedia Nederland
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 tel.(+31) (0)70 3608510
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please be considerate of everyone's time.

2014-06-16 Thread Thehelpfulone
Ahh, but some of us are on iOS which doesn’t seem to have been updated on the 
App Store in a while! The latest status update (at seems to 
suggest it’s in Alpha state. Please can someone from the Apps Team give me some 
insight into the ETA for a new app, and if some of the new features of iOS 8 
could be integrated into it?


On 16 Jun 2014, at 11:23, Samuel Klein wrote:

 We have an updated Wikipedia Beta app?  Aha, so we do.  :)
 With a little edit pencil next to sections...  And an elegant check
 to see if you want to save an anon edit or log in, after editing.
 Very nice indeed.  Looks like a solid improvement.  I'll try editing
 with it for a week.
 Hmm, still no way to reach a Talk page. And the History menu option
 does not bring up the History page. (instead: breadcrumbs)   since
 this is a Beta, it would be nice to have a prominent in-app way to
 send feedback from any page.
 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Lila Tretikov wrote:
 Hi all,
 As I scanned through the weekend emails on this list I noticed that many of
 you are ready to get back to discussing the goals we are all working on. I
 am really glad to see that. We have plenty of interesting projects to
 discuss without the gossip. Let's respect the time that many following this
 list are donating to the project by sticking to constructive, on topic
 And for starters: the Wikipedia Android Beta app is in store and is
 awaiting your comments.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 11 wiki

2013-11-20 Thread Thehelpfulone

 On 21 Nov 2013, at 00:52, Erik Moeller wrote:
 +1. already redirects to the IA copy, as
 well. Anything else is a distraction and a waste of time, sorry.

Perhaps it would be worth fixing the mobile redirect for the wiki, currently it 
doesn't seem to work/exist?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-16 Thread Thehelpfulone
Hi Garfield,

Please could you explain why was this message only sent to Internal-l,
given the discussions on this list in April about shutting down Internal-l?

To everyone else on the list: I wasn't sure if any progress had been made
towards re-purposing the internal wiki, so started a discussion on Meta,
please add your thoughts there:


On 16 July 2013 14:12, Itzik Edri wrote:

 Hi Garfield,

 I must say I'm surprised from the new requirements. Eligible entities of
 last year now need to send by 15 September documents about 2012 - a year
 that is totally unrelated to the FDC process that started only this year?
 Why it been decided only now?
  We are not hiding a thing, but not only by 30th July we need to send FDC
 Q2 report, by 1st October annual plan budget for 2014, and by 31 October
 FDC Q3 report.. Hey, not everyone are big chapters, and we are really need
 time also to *work* and execute the program we asked the money for...

 So financial report can be translated from the financial report we sent to
 the Israeli authority (again, more money spends on translation as probably
 our employees don't have time for that and have other paper work, and this
 is also going to work if there is no special format and different numbers
 and metrics requsted by the FDC and not different from what we already have
 on the report we made..). But about the 2012 activity report? What format?
 what information need to be there? this is totally something we need to
 collect from start and mean more administrative work.


 On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Garfield Byrd

  Dear members of the Wikimedia community:
  Today, July 15, the Wikimedia Foundation published a list of Funds
  Dissemination Committee (FDC) eligible entities [1] based the eligibility
  criteria [2] established in the FDC framework.  Entities that submitted
  Letters of Intent [3] are categorized in 'Yes', 'Yes, If',  and 'No'
  categories based the eligibility criteria.  Please let us know if you
  believe there are any corrections to be made to this list.
  A more detailed eligibility checklist document has also been created.
  This document outlines eligibility gaps that need to be closed by
  15, 2013. Any entity in the Yes, If category must post all missing
  documents on Meta by September 15 to be eligible for FDC funding.
  Entities in the “No” column who are currently ineligible for FDC funding
  those who decide not to proceed with an FDC application are welcome to
  consider applying to the WMF Grants program. [5]
  On September 15, WMF will post the final list of the entities eligible to
  apply for FDC funding if they are eligible. Please note that entities
  need to remain in compliance with all Chapter Agreements and Grant
  Agreements until funds are sent in order to receive a grant through the
  process, even if eligibility is confirmed as Yes on 15 September.
  The detailed eligibility checklist has improved since the last round.
  You’ll now note that the final column now outlines upcoming requirements
  (e.g. per chapter or grant agreements or current grant requirements) to
  maintain FDC eligibility status. These are noted as “potential gaps,” and
  as those deadlines come up, entities will need to fill those gaps (for
  example, by posting their documents and linking to them from the Reports
  page on Meta) in order to maintain their eligibility status with the
 FDC. We
  hope this change allows entities, the FDC, and the FDC staff to track
  eligibility better and ensure that everyone is informed of potential as
  well as current issues that may affect eligibility.
  All entities that apply for FDC funding will be required to maintain
  eligibility throughout the duration of the proposal review process until
  funds are sent (or until the decision on whether to send funds is made).
  encourage you to get in touch with us if you have any questions about
  entity's gaps or potential gaps.
  As a reminder, all applications for FDC funding from eligible entities
  must be submitted by October 1, 2013 via the FDC portal. [6] The FDC
  proposal form will be posted by August 15, 2013 on the FDC portal. Please
  contact us if you have any questions about submitting your proposal.
  WMF staff will reach out to all the of the entities that submitted
  of Intent individually to discuss their eligibility.
  In addition, the FDC support staff has scheduled two IRC office hours to
  provide more explanation about the eligibility status. [7] We look
  to meeting with you on Thursday, July 18 at 0:00 UTC or at 16:00 UTC that
  same day. Please feel free to submit any questions in advance.
  Do let me know if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-16 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 16 July 2013 16:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

 Samuel Klein, 16/07/2013 17:32:

  On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Thehelpfulone wrote:

  Please could you explain why was this message only sent to Internal-l,
 given the discussions on this list in April about shutting down

 Hello THO, if you check the original message again - I believe it was
 sent to both lists.SJ

 Impossible, I think. Internal-l is not listed on**mailman/listinfo,
  and mailman rejects messages sent to a mixed audience of secret and
 public lists. (Maybe Filip/the admins can be allowed to make it listed?)

Nemo is correct: when you said that I thought it was just my inbox so I
double checked the list archives, looking at this
view I don't think it was sent to both lists. We have a privacy setting on
some lists so if you send an email to a private mailing list and a public
one then Mailman will not allow the email to go through as a layer of extra
protection. Internal-l is set as one of those private lists.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 July 2013 09:11, Erik Moeller wrote:

 The real issue here is that the Legal Department has a stuffed animal
 mascot, while WMF engineering/product has absolutely no animals of any
 kind. I would put up a photograph of Tux, but I'm worried Rory will
 eat him.

If you're going to add a photo of Tux then you'll have to add a user
page accompanying email
address too!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-05-31 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 29 April 2013 10:35, K. Peachey wrote:

 Based on just flicking though the conversation, The main issue here is
 historical content that is mostly in the way of the re-purposing?

 Why not just close down and start a 2.0
 with a more defined scope that suits the purpose?

Was there any further progress with these discussions to shut down or
re-purpose internal-l and internal wiki? It's been brought up recently as a
candidates in the community Board of Trustees elections (for which voting
starts tomorrow).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-31 Thread Thehelpfulone
I've gone ahead and updated to reflect this.
You'll notice that some of the language has been simplified, and the
password fields have been removed because this list has public archives and
the subscriber list is only viewable by list admins, so there's no real
need to know your password for this list. Unfortunately this still reverts
to old design for other languages but I'm working on seeing if there's a
way to fix that.

Isarra (and anyone else) can you see any issues with the newer design in
terms of usability? As a reminder the source is at

On 22 May 2013 20:32, Quim Gil wrote:

 Version 1.0 is out:


 Propagation is welcome. Thank you TheHelpfulOne for the original push
 and to the other feedback reporters!

 On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Quim Gil wrote:
  On 05/20/2013 10:56 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
  MZMcBride, 21/05/2013 04:22:
  Quim Gil wrote:
  Feedback, please.
  I would love to see this design or something similar become the default
  for Wikimedia's mailing lists. Compared to the current default,[1] I
  the new design vastly more friendly and engaging.
  Can't be the default because it's English only, isn't it. A workaround
  could be to remove custom linguistic content (for instance make About
  Wikimedia Foundation just Wikimedia and point it to some translatable
  page on Meta), but I've no idea how localisation of all this works.
  Well, this *recommended* template could substitute the current default
  doesn't offer localized links either. An improvement is an improvement,
  I think the improvement for users is huge.
  Then it is up to the admins of each list to implement this template or
  to take it as is or with modifications e.g. links to Spanish content for
  your Spanish speaking list. It's just a piece of HTML to be pasted in a
  Just give me a day or so to implement feedback and clean the code, and
  the template will be ready to be applied by list admins with a simple
  copypaste, with optional customization.
  Quim Gil
  Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation

 Quim Gil
 Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-20 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 20 May 2013 18:04, Quim Gil wrote:

 Still about this:

 Thehelpfulone wrote:
  Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US
  mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:

 Can you share the source? I'm happy to try it for wikitech-announce,
 tweaking it to fulfill the requests made (more accessible color schema
 and subscription fields visible without having to scroll down).

 Thank you!

Sure! I haven't managed to get around to making those tweaks myself, so I'd
appreciate your (and anyone else's) help. The code's at  and is
generalised so that the only bits that manually need changing on a per-list
basis are:

   - Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
   the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment.
   - The logo:

class=aligncenterbr /

   - The LEARN MORE button and link:

   pa href=;
class=link-styleLearn more/a/p

The Wikimedia Mailing List can be changed by modifying A terse phrase
identifying this list. whilst the detail about the list can be modified at
by adjusting An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the
list. It will be included, as html, at the top of the listinfo page.
Carriage returns will end a paragraph - see the details for more info.  in
the list admin interface.

Feel free to move the code to a more appropriate place and/or tweak as you
see fit. :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-05-20 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 20 May 2013 23:41, Quim Gil wrote:

 I simplified it drastically:**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-**announce

 Feedback, please.

It certainly looks like accessibility have been improved. :-)

However, it's missing the instructions on how to post a message to all list
members (a bit obvious but probably still useful). Also that View this
Page in language box needs to be in the default design as there are lists
where English isn't the primary language used (the code for that is
MM-lang-form-startMM-displang-box MM-list-langsMM-form-end).

Could you make that Based on design by.. text just plain black without
the shadow? Also perhaps a link to would be useful somewhere.
Changing About Wikimedia to link to instead with Our projects as a
separate link is also something to consider.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Spanish Wikipedia first million

2013-05-16 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 17 May 2013, at 01:19, Salvador A wrote:

 Hi folks!
 Maybe many of you have it already noticed. Nevertheless, spanish speakers
 wikimedians want to share with you our joy of that the spanish version of
 Wikipedia has surpassed the million of articles.
 Thanks and congratulations to all volunteers that make it possible.
 Let's party!

Congratulations! I've just updated to reflect the new article 
count. :-)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 13 May 2013 12:00, Tilman Bayer wrote:

 Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011 -
 there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the list.
 As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly
 suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that you
 were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more than
 one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: Abusing multiple
 accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption; trying
 to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on.
 block per RfC and cu evidence. )

Thanks for clarifying why Huib had his blog access revoked Tilman. Please
could you clarify why Casey and Alex (who haven't been socking, at least
not to my knowledge!) had their access revoked without notification?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 13 May 2013 13:02, Thehelpfulone wrote:

 Thanks for clarifying why Huib had his blog access revoked Tilman. Please
 could you clarify why Casey and Alex (who haven't been socking, at least
 not to my knowledge!) had their access revoked without notification?

Ah I sent this just before your response, so I'm happy to wait for Matthew
to reply to this question.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 May 2013 19:44, Florence Devouard wrote:

 :) Yeah, pretty bad.

 The main reason I would consider WMF wiki SHOULD NOT be an entirely
 staff-controlled and operated site is the fact we originally wanted it to
 be at least in part multilingual.

 Current staff does not seem to be very interested in that original wish.

 Some requests for translation are sometimes made but lot's of outdated
 content is still over there. Sometimes, it does not matter too much. Other
 times, it is quite unfortunate. Check out for example

 Important ? yes
 Should be translated ? I would say yes, as much as possible
 Should old versions stick there ? I would say vehemently no, should not

 Still, many languages still display the old version.
 The staff will hide itself behind the fact that only the English version
 matters. Which is why Dutch is still the old version:
 Is that good ? No, I would say it is not serious.

 Who can help clean that up ?
 Well... if not the volunteers, then it would have to be the staff job.
 Except I doubt the staff would consider that to be part of its job. If only
 because staff does not speak 300 languages.

 What's the best way to motivate volunteers to help with translation and
 update of non-English content ? I am not sure, but probably not in removing
 their admin bit as if they were dangerous people. Right now, I would go as
 far as saying that WMF on the contrary should look out for more people to
 help clean up ;)

 How does that happen right now ? Well, volunteers do ask on meta to get an
 account for WMF wiki. Where ? Here:**

 And guess who is taking care of giving them access ?
 A volunteer who has the technical means to create them accounts.
 Oh wait... not any more. Ah, hum. Well, I take it a staff member will do
 that in the future :)


 Alternatively, the staff, with the official support of their management
 and the board can decide that the Foundation wiki should not try any more
 to be translated in other languages and should stick to what it actually
 is: a US-based non profit company.

 Translations may be non-official... and on meta.


 The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is
 poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on
 the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS.


For what it's worth, I did try to get some re-translation organised in
early February: and
asked communications staff at the WMF for their input. To be fair to them
they did say that they'd look into it and get back to me but I think they
might have been swamped with other things so it was forgotten.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 29 April 2013 21:01, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

 With 2 seats selected by the chapters and in future maybe the thorgs, and 3
 by the editing community, and 1 by the staff, more than half of the board
 members would be not directly coopted.
 Many other varieties are possible, of course. The staff could together vote
 one elector who would take part in the selection by the chapters, the same
 for the Wikimedia User Groups. But then, this voting group should select
 ultimately not 2 but 3 seats.
 People who don't edit but belong to the movement can have their influence
 via the chapters and in future the thorgs.

On 30 April 2013 11:54, Michael Peel wrote:

 I'd like to +1 on this, as that only seems fair to me - either we have an
 inclusive solution for all Wikimedia organisation staff, or we don't
 involve staff in the elections at all (unless they are also active
 community members). Moving this discussion on-wiki would definitely be
 good, to reduce the chances of this discussion being forgotten about next
 time around...

 BTW, It might also be worth thinking about spreading the community elected
 seats over multiple years - at the moment, all three are appointed at once,
 which means that there's not necessarily any sort of continuity in the
 community's perspective on the board. Having two elected one year, and one
 the next year, might be a better solution to maintain continuity here.

An alternative proposal, as suggested by Risker and James above is that
even if you don't necessarily edit substantially, you can still be part of
the movement, so lowering edit requirements to allow *all *staff and board
members of the WMF, Chapters and other thematic organisations (and everyone
else that's part of the movement) to elect all 5 of the community seats
(3 community + 2 chapters) would bring everyone in the movement closer

This would arguably be the most fair option, can someone summarise the
justification for chapters to be able to exclusively select 2 of out 5
community seats through a much less-transparent process?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-29 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 29 Apr 2013, at 07:52, Tilman Bayer wrote:

 I'm not familiar with the case, but reading that page, it seems that
 might also have played a role for the FDC's recommendation?

Indeed, yet it looks like there has been no (public) follow up by the paid WMF 
grants staff for over a month. In addition,
 shows WMHK to still be an eligible entity.

Winifred/Asaf, please can you clarify whether WMHK is still an eligible entity 
and what follow up was done after that message a month ago?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WCA] Chapters Portal - Yet another Summary of information on Meta

2013-04-25 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 25 April 2013 11:07, Arnau Duran wrote:

 Thank you for that centralitzed page, it is true that many times it is
 really difficult to find info on Meta.

This has been brought up on Meta by Theo at
Please add your comments/suggestions there on how you think we can make
things easier to find and organise on Meta.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thehelpfulone
On Thursday, April 18, 2013, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:

 My objection would be more something like I'm afraid that this kind of
 actions could threaten some general policies of the Wikimedia movement,
 policies that promote human values that I share.

 Which policies would those be?

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[Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

2013-04-17 Thread Thehelpfulone
Hi all,

Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US
mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:

What do you think? Mentally replace all instance of cabal-l with
wikimedia-l and compare to Unfortunately
Mailman only seems to allow this change to be made for the English version
of the page, so if you try to view the page in another language, you'll
still get the standard list info page.

Any objections to changing it?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Transition team update

2013-04-01 Thread Thehelpfulone
Thanks Jan-Bart,

On 1 April 2013 17:17, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:

 With a little help from TheHelpfulOne we have made a start with the Meta
 pages for the transition team.

Credit to Sj and Phoebe for some clean up too!

 The central page is located at:

 Feel free to browse and comment/suggest!

There's also an RfC at -
please leave any suggestions/comments there.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 21 Feb 2013, at 13:01, Manuel Schneider 

 The list already exists since several months but hasn't been used yet:

When I offered to create the list I considered that it would be better to have 
the list on WMF servers instead of the chapter server so someone looking at the 
main mailing list directory could find it more easily.

However, the point that WikimediaAnnounce-l could be used is a reasonable one, 
and it's likely that the audience who subscribe to that list would be 
interested in what the WCA is doing, given that the list is for 'movement' 
announcements and chapters/WCA are part of our movement.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are chapters part of the community and board seats for affiliates?

2013-02-19 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 19 February 2013 13:48, Bence Damokos wrote:

 To be perfectly fair, all the nominations for the 2012 selection were
 public, so this was less of a problem than in 2010 when they were not

Whilst this is true, is there a good reason as to why much of the
discussion for chapter-elected board seats happens in private? Looking at it
appears chapter discussion happens on a private chapters wiki and
chapters-l, a mailing list restricted to only current board members
of chapters, during which time candidates lose their access to that
wiki/mailing list but presumably gain access to it afterwards. Unless all
the discussions are deleted, what is the benefit of having these
discussions in private, especially if the candidates will see what was said
about them after the election?

I understand why we use private voting through SecurePoll for the
community elections but please could someone explain what I'm missing
with regards to Chapter selected seats?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio

2013-02-14 Thread Thehelpfulone
Alternatively you can play back the recorded video on Ustream:

On 15 February 2013 00:52, John Vandenberg wrote:

 Live stream now for me in Brisbane

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Craig Franklin
 Date: Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:23 AM
 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Sue Gardner interview on ABC Radio
 To: Wikimedia-au

 Hi All,

 Just a quick reminder that if you weren't able to catch the live
 streaming version of Sue Gardner's Australian interview on Wednesday
 night, it's being played on ABC Radio today at 11am across the country
 (except Victoria, for complicated ABC reasons).  The programme you
 are looking for is Conversations with Richard Fidler.

 If you miss that, I am assuming that you'll be able to download a
 podcast of the show later tonight to listen.

 Craig Franklin

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 John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 6 January 2013 23:52, Ziko van Dijk wrote:

 Rather the other way round, I'd question the sending of reports to
 lists, with regard to the information overload we get. If someone
 really is interested in the activities of a chapter, he or she can go
 to the chapter reports on Meta, and has a list of reports there. A
 short summary of the report would even create more work for the
 chapter. I really don't see the problem here.
 Kind regards

You should also consider that people like to read on the go, that is on a
mobile device and whilst Meta has the mobile site enabled, email often
works best for many people.

Think of it this way: if someone is going to make the effort to open an
email to read its contents after looking at the subject line, then they'd
presumably want to know more information - even if just a snippet as
suggested previously - *in that email* rather than having to go elsewhere
to find it.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 2 November 2012 16:06, Bishakha Datta wrote:

 Ok, I've added a reference link into the resolution at:

 Please go through this to compare old and revised versions of the bylaws;
 since there are many small changes, I have uploaded the entire document.

 The document showing the revisions can also be directly accessed from this

Thank you for doing this, but (correct me if I'm wrong) it looks like this
document had already been created by Kelly, presumably for easy review
internally of the changes to the Bylaws.

Please don't forget that there's a huge online community that all have
different interests and pay particular attention to certain things - some
clearly with the WMF as evident from this mailing list thread.

Thus, in the future (this is for both Board members and WMF staff) it would
be much better, when announcing *any* potentially controversial changes
like this to *proactively* provide such documents, than potentially give
the impression that you are intentionally trying to hide something by
waiting for a community member to request it.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 6 Sep 2012, at 07:38, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:

 Once concluded, the RFC process revealed the community’s
 desire to see a new travel project created. The Wikimedia Foundation Board
 supports the community’s decision and is moving forward with the creation
 of this new project.
 Is this a valid announcement from the WMF board before the official decision?
 By the way there's not been any proper closure/conclusion to the RfC, that's 
 been left too the board too.

Nemo is correct in this matter, whilst the RFC has been closed to discussion, 
there has not been an official outcome. I believe it was intended that the 
Board would decide and make a statement/resolution to state their findings.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 6 September 2012 08:18, James Heilman wrote:

 The community has unofficially summarized the RfC here
 But yes the final summary and decision was to be left to the WMF.

Just to follow up on this, the Board has now published a statement on Meta:

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Should we lock StrategyWiki?

2012-08-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 August 2012 13:04, Richard Symonds

 I'd also support this sort of thing going to meta. Perhaps not marking
 everything as historical, but certainly a slow move to a central location
 that's easy for newbies to find.

Strategy Wiki has already been configured as an import source for
Meta-Wiki, so any admins on Meta (there are plenty) will be able to import
pages cross-wiki with full history via Perhaps we could put things
into a new Strategy: namespace?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 9 July 2012 13:21, Sebastian Moleski wrote:

 Today, I'm declaring my candidacy for Secretary General of the Wikimedia
 Chapters Association. After recent conversations with a number of people at
 different chapters, I've decided to run for this position because I believe
 that it would allow the chapters to make best use of my skills and
 experiences. Last year, when I worked with four European chapters on
 starting developing strategies for their organizations, I realized
 first-hand what huge potential we have still left uncovered. Many chapters
 excel in some areas while failing in others, rarely for lack of enthusiasm,
 but mostly for lack of support, guidance, and advice. When discussion of a
 council of chapters started again last year, I felt that it was one of the
 most promising ways that could allow chapters to excel much more often than
 to fail in the future.

Given that
still in a draft format and hasn't significantly been touched since April
2012, I'm inclined to say that this is premature. In addition, there's a
question related to this on the talk page,
been unanswered for just under a month. Where have recent discussions, if
any, been taking place as I seem unable to find them on-wiki (and I don't
think a WCA specific mailing list exists)? What is the election process?
How many candidates are there? How will the Secretary General be appointed
- Chapter voting? Public voting?
that a HR company will be selected, by whom? It also suggests that a
community-driven subcommittee will be appointed, again by whom, what will
these requirements be?

In addition, I do not think that we have ever (someone will no doubt
correct me if I am mistaken) posted candidate nomination statements to this
mailing list, is this also something new? I don't intend to sound hostile
and in no way am I opposing your candidacy, it's just your email has just
brought up quite a few questions that don't appear to have been answered as
of yet.

I also just came across
states that *The committee will hold an open process via Meta Wiki, email,
IRC and other communication means so it could receive as much input as
possible from anyone. *It appears that so far this has been a very much
closed process if anything has been happening to date.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 9 July 2012 17:32, Theo10011 wrote:

 You are right about everything. ;)  And yes, this was premature, not a lot
 has been decided. I think the committee learnt of this as the same time, as
 you did.

Thanks for the confirmation Theo, and can I confirm a point on the
committee, the current Steering Committee consisting of Damian Finol,
Frieda Brioschi, Craig Franklin and Tomer Ashur is going to be different
from the community-driven subcommittee previously referenced, or are these
committees one and the same?

 Sebastian announced this on a private list and I believe, and he wanted to
 announce it publicly as well. And the same things you pointed out have been
 brought up. There are no other candidates, there has been no call for
 candidates. Majority of what has happened is on Meta, there is an interim
 committee and a meeting is planned with the chapters during Wikimania.

Would I be correct in thinking that the discussions in this meeting (and
future discussions) and the outcome of this meeting will be posted
publically on Meta-Wiki or here, as opposed to chapters-l for others to

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clerk role description?

2012-05-01 Thread Thehelpfulone
And the SPI (Sockpuppet Investigations) clerks are described at

On 1 May 2012 20:03, Thomas Dalton wrote:

 The English Wikipedia ArbCom's clerks are described here:

 On 1 May 2012 20:00, Sue Gardner wrote:
  Hey folks,
  I had a 90-second conversation the other day with SJ about whether it
  would make sense for us to use volunteer clerks as support for the
  FDC (Funds Dissemination Committee), and I'm wondering if anyone can
  point me towards any documentation of the role -- a description of how
  it's typically used, either inside Wikimedia or outside. I have the
  gist, but am curious to learn more, if anyone's got links they could
  point me towards.
  Sue Gardner
  Executive Director
  Wikimedia Foundation
  415 839 6885 office
  415 816 9967 cell
  Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-24 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 24 April 2012 01:00, Casey Brown wrote:

 Queues are normally setup so that the OTRS admins can see all tickets.
 This makes things easier when checking for errors, making sure there
 are no backlogs, cleaning up cross-queue spam, etc. However, there are
 definitely some private queues -- like the oversight and Wikimedia
 registration/scholarship queues -- that OTRS admins cannot see unless
 they give themselves access to it, which they wouldn't do unless they
 needed to for some reason.

 Casey Brown

Oh of course, what I intended in my previous email was to highlight the
fact that OTRS admins *technically *have the ability to view private emails
that may even be discussing actions that they themselves have done in their
capacities as oversighters or checkusers. I completely trust the integrity
of the OTRS admins (yes I even trust you ;-) ) to not do anything they
shouldn't do, but I see the importance in giving advance warning about who
could *potentially *view emails if an OTRS queue for the
Ombudsman commission was created.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] ombudsmen commission

2012-04-23 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 23 Apr 2012, at 13:02, Thomas Goldammer wrote:

 You can clearly document the process that you follow. You can publish
 metrics like those Lodewijk suggested (and actual numbers, not just
 guesses). It would be nice to have a page on meta that says how many
 cases are currently at each point in the process and is kept
 You just volunteered to set up such a page on Meta (for 2012, I mean).
 I already described the process we use, so this should be possible for
 you to do. Thanks.

Touché. I believe that if the process is going to be put on Meta we do need 
actual numbers as opposed to your guesstimations. Hopefully this shouldn't be 
too difficult to sort out, if you do some searches on Gmail for all the emails 
that you have received in the last year from the mailing list you should be 
able to get a better number of the volume of emails that you got overall in the 

 The ombudsmen commission has always felt to me to be the most
 cabalistic of all the committees and groups we have. A lot of people
 don't know it even exists or what it really does. All I tend to hear
 about it is when people are complaining that their emails have gone
 into the black box, never to be seen again.
 Well, we are not going to advertise our services to everyone in
 person. If the people do not know that we exist, that's not our fault
 but the fault of the community. What we are doing is already described
 on the Meta page. If someone has sent a complaint and never gets any
 answer, then this is of course our fault, and it shouldn't happen. A
 little reminder usually does the trick, though. As you know, we are
 all not 24/7 OC workers doing nothing else in our lives. It can always
 happen that some email gets stuck in spam filters or just gets
 overlooked especially on days when you receive a hundred or more
 wiki-related emails, which is about every day in the year. I think
 what could really help is if we could use the OTRS ticket system for
 our work (that's an idea that just now came into my mind)... But I
 don't know how secure that is and if it is even possible to set it up
 so closed that only the OC members can access those tickets. (Any
 suggestions from Philippe about that?)

I don't think that OTRS is the necessarily the best option - unless you use it 
in collaboration with the mailing list, i.e someone sends a complaint to OTRS, 
the commission discusses on the mailing list and then send out a response to 
the user. You would be able to easily keep track of what tickets have been 
answered, but as far as I am aware the OTRS admins are technically able to view 
all the emails in any queues - so that would be another 12ish people plus devs 
that would be able to view the tickets. I'm not saying that they would, but 
bearing in mind a fair number of the OTRS admins are checkusers/oversighters 
themselves, I think there will be some issues with using OTRS.


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[Wikimedia-l] Sister Projects Committee

2012-04-10 Thread Thehelpfulone
Hi all,

The Sister Projects Committee is now a more formal committee, and as such,
there's a list of things to do at The
plan is to discuss all the topics on the talk page and this mailing list
when we are looking for wider community input. If you are interested in
joining the committee or helping out, please have a look at the talk page,, where I've
split up each topic area into a different section so that discussions can
take place.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask on this mailing list or on the
talk page. :-)
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