Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Thomas, Thanks for asking! In fact, it was as easy as said :-) Ilario has just never been involved in the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe that the conflict of interest is not solved with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: On 10 April 2013 08:10, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Thomas, Thanks for asking! In fact, it was as easy as said :-) Ilario has just never been involved in the recruitment process. In WMCH we believe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 April 2013 16:13, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: We haven't use donors money to have professional advice from either a charity lawyer or a charity governance expert, because it wasn't necessary. When dealing with a situation that can give rise to a serious conflict

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Chapters Dialogue

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Dalton
Hi Nicole, How does this project relate to the project Seb was running a couple of years ago that sounded very similar? How does this project relate to the work of the WCA? I also notice that the wiki page says the contractors are supposed to attend the Milan meeting - it's presumably too late

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lack of community involvement in WMF budget planning

2013-04-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 April 2013 12:45, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: Doesn't the community consultation *follow* this? The WMF works out a budget internally, and the Board vote to approve it by the end of June. It is released on 1 July, but isn't yet final; it promptly goes into...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia CH staff changes in 2013

2013-04-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
Charles, Thank you for sharing this information. Can you elaborate on how the conflict of interest of hiring a current board member was managed? You say Ilario wasn't involved in the hiring process, but appropriately managing such a conflict is more difficult than that. Did Ilario recuse from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Gadgets

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 06:58, Peter Gervai g...@grin.hu wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Martin Rulsch martin.rul...@wikimedia.de wrote: Free give-aways are okay. But a shop where Wiki* stuff can be sold, might be a problem. Possibly out of the tread but let me comment that anyone anytime

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 13:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: The Economist had an estimate recently: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21573091-how-quantify-gains-internet-has-brought-consumers-net-benefits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 4 April 2013 13:16, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Incidently... given that most people would not be willing to publicly post their phone number and possibly other personal information... and that a wiki is actually not necessarily the best place to do such a thing, has it ever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Apr 3, 2013 11:34 AM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: # Agreements, particularly those with global impact, and/or where they affect more than one Wikimedia organisation. Part of the recent Monmouthpedia/Gibraltarpedia situation was caused by a lack of transparency about who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Apr 3, 2013 12:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Second technical note: a merge from a private wiki to another is very simple, because you don't have to check for confidentiality That's not true. Just because it is private doesn't mean it is restricted to the same people.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Save the date: Wikimedia Australia committee get-together in Sydney, 7 April

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
Why are these emails going to Wikimedia-l? They aren't really of interest to anyone outside Australia... On Apr 3, 2013 1:09 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Hi All, I am delighted to advise that we've now locked in the meeting room at the Customs House Library in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

2013-04-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Apr 3, 2013 3:43 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: But you knew the basis on which internal access is determined and that hasn't changed. Not true. It changed. Membership is still determined according to the WMF board's resolution from 2006. How long ago were you on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 30, 2013 9:46 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: As a fundraising tactic, I think this is a good idea, It is worth remembering that we don't actually have a problem with fundraising. We can raise enormous amounts of money incredibly easily by putting banners on the fifth most

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 30, 2013 10:28 PM, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote: There's a little of that which goes on currently (I mean above-board, not counting anything that may happen unofficially). The most common case is that a cultural organization, such as a museum, provides funds for a Wikipedian in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
Where would their name go? If it's anywhere more prominent than the names of the volunteers that wrote the article (which anything on the article page itself would be) then it doesn't really seem fair... On Mar 29, 2013 10:37 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've just seen an OTRS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 30, 2013 12:55 AM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but it might be nice if we could let people pay trusted editors to improve articles (without a COI and with a NPOV) that normally wouldn't get attention. Would that be nice? I think that would be very harmful...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 30, 2013 1:04 AM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: How so? It would be completely against our culture. Wikipedia is a volunteer written encyclopedia. You would end up with a two-tier system of paid editors and unpaid editors. There would inevitably be a lot of conflict between those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-20 Thread Thomas Dalton
. Regards, Garfield On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:55 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 March 2013 20:00, Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thomas: The Wikimedia Foundation is looking at its capacity to hire and is reviewing how many positions we can hire next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Wikimedia Iconathon 2013

2013-03-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 19, 2013 10:13 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Getting some experience first makes sense.. Going global is something that can be done the next year ?? Surely this is a one off project. How many icons do we need? ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 March 2013 20:00, Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org wrote: Thomas: The Wikimedia Foundation is looking at its capacity to hire and is reviewing how many positions we can hire next fiscal year. We are working overall to have a good annual plan that matches our outcomes, but with a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 13 March 2013 07:58, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: For 13-14, I've asked for finance and HR to work with us in applying performance metrics based on our hiring velocity and attrition rate in 12-13 against the hiring plan for the purpose of estimating the actual dollar spend. I've

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, February 2013

2013-03-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 March 2013 20:45, Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org wrote: When we did a review of banks that can handle our international banking, unfortunately all of the banks we looked at were involved in some sort scandal, from risky trades to LIBOR manipulation. This is not an ideal situation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 15, 2013 9:26 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: A good way would be to start small and move the reserve WMF carries already and invest them Absolutely not. The reserves are there to protect the foundation against sudden increases in costs or decreases in revenues. They are needed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 March 2013 13:00, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote: Thanks Andrew and Philippe for your explanation and links. So that is a plan to build a reserve of funds that is so big that the operation can be funded by the capital's gain - interest, dividends... Yes, although

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mid-Year Financial Statements

2013-03-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
Garfield, Thanks for sharing the report. Once again, there is a significant underspend. Does that concern you? It seems the WMF is consistently not fully utilising its capital (so, either, you're fundraising too much or doing too little). It often seems to be the case that the underspend is due

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's non-disclosure agreement

2013-03-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 March 2013 08:11, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: My NDA, signed 7 November 2011, is for three years. I found the copy. James Salsman: There are no terms about disparaging information or anything like that. Save it for another thread, please. The NDA I signed while

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

2013-03-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi Asaf, I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Kenya Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Provisional Wikimedia Kenya no longer a chapter

2013-03-01 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Mar 1, 2013 11:27 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email into account. Then your first question confuses me. That email clearly says they haven't incorporated. That means they can't have signed the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

2013-02-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 25, 2013 9:41 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: Err ok, I'm sorry but this actually moves to the realms of scary. You require the new Council member to send in a statement ... pledging loyalty essentially? I don't see anything in the charter that would require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Term limits for WMF board members?

2013-02-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 25 February 2013 11:30, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: The UK Chapter appreciated this recommendation from Compass which re-enforced the board's past discussions in this area What discussions did it reinforce? The last discussion about term limits I'm aware of (February 2012, if memory serves)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

2013-02-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
If chapters won't to be involved, why don't they join? I don't think there is even a plan to charge membership fees yet, so what have they got to lose? On Feb 25, 2013 12:35 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi All, Not to be incredibly mean about this, but how about giving

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 February 2013 17:42, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit : Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
I quite like questions 2, 6, 9 and 10 - the answers to those should help to show how well applicants understand our culture and what new insights they can bring to the table. The others are either too obscure for most applicants to be able to give an informed answer or aren't really things the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New proposal for a wiki Project!

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 18, 2013 10:27 PM, Kevin Behrens kevin_behr...@hotmail.de wrote: Language is identity! Would you like to tell those People that it is not bad when they lose their language. As I mentioned, I am a member of a linguistic minority, too, and I would feel like my human rights where taken if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 17, 2013 8:29 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?). The chapters are used to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 13:52, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I think the failure of the WCA process thus far has shown an enormous lack of connection between chapter bureaucracy and what editors actually care about. Pretty much everything the WMF and chapters do is stuff editors don't care

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters do not apply the Wiki model in the offline world? Because different problems require different solutions.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 14:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes that he can be used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia? It may be useful in other situations, but there is no reason to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 15:31, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: HEHHEHEHE, okay, okay So... do you not believe? I find it odd organizations that promote free collaborative construction, do not to believe in their own model, do not use the model itself and talk that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 21:33, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: *They represent the chapters. * That terrifies me... You are terrified by people appointed by the chapters as their representatives representing the chapters? I'm afraid you really aren't making any sense...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 22:17, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: I think the concern regarding the WCA primarily arises from the proposed paying of people who will be leading it. If these people are equivalent to the editors of content on Wikipedia (ie volunteers) and work from a virtual office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

2013-02-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 6 February 2013 23:31, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: The WCA is lead by the council, who are all volunteers. They will be supported by staff, but the council are in charge. I would love to have my Wikipedia work supported by staff too. It is... who do you think keeps the servers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legalised Piracy

2013-01-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 30 January 2013 12:12, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Very interesting things happening in Antigua and the US: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21247683 Essentially, the World Trade Organization (WTO) have ruled that the islands have the right to suspend US

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours

2013-01-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 26, 2013 1:55 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: That makes more sense - but to turn that into a noun (we are having office hours on Tuesday, is stretching the borders of everything language. It makes perfect sense to me. It's a particular period of time that is spent in an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Licencing question

2013-01-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 23 January 2013 10:10, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hello all, An issue this raises for me is this: If we're to include copyright information on blog posts regarding the use of CC licensed images, is this going to have to be applied to all Wikipedia articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Licencing question

2013-01-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 January 2013 16:51, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: It appears that opinion is divided on whether a hyperlink is acceptable as attribution, therefore I'm asking the experts: - Does anyone have any input on this? - Has this discussion been had before, if so,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia ED Sue Gardner named to Global Voices Board of Directors (MZMcBride)

2013-01-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 17, 2013 7:11 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: So I trust this bodes well for the (originally 2008) proposal to fund Wikinews reporters which has surfaced from the community in various forms through the years -- e.g.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Portuguese Wikipedia at the mercy of a few rogue editors

2013-01-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 12, 2013 3:38 PM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Dear Colleagues Let me start off by pointing out the fact that I am never sure about exactly what issues are handled on this list and secondly when are the issues of a specific language Wikipedia handled among that community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Chapter reports WMNL

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 6, 2013 11:06 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: I don't see a reason for this tone, and I think that everyone who is interested in the reports will easily find them. The problem is, it's hard to know if you are interested in the report without having any idea what it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rationale for fundraising record?

2013-01-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 7, 2013 2:08 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: We do know that this year the decay of fundraising from day to day was steeper than in past years, confirming that we were eating into out existing donor pool faster than before. On the contrary, December 3rd was a stronger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 4 January 2013 18:17, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: And then again we would be comparing the salary I had in such company after 5 years of (hopefully good) work, not the one I had at the beginning. It would be very unusual for an employer to disregard previous experience when setting a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 January 2013 08:08, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: Does that sound like the kind of people who would want to risk losing talent because their donations were limited to a fundraising goal set based on the blatantly false assertion that we aren't able to raise enough money to pay

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation

2013-01-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Jan 3, 2013 6:47 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Also, I found it interesting that donations increased by 52 % and operating expenses for fundraising by 41 %. What did you find interesting about that? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
Very nice! I'll expect a performance in Hong Kong! On a serious note, have you seen Geoff's comments on naming of affiliate organisations? On Dec 28, 2012 4:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: Hello, A week ago, as I found out now, a new association has been found in New York:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, it should probably be emphasized that this organization was founded against the advice of the Wikimedia Foundations' Affiliate Committee. It is not recognized at this point. Does it have a license to use the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
I'm not quite sure what you mean by multivariate analysis... You only seem to be talking about one variable - the message. On Dec 28, 2012 9:46 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: How about for the April fundraiser, instead of setting a dollar value goal, we agree to use multivariate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 10:12 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not quite sure what you mean by multivariate analysis I mean as in the tests done May 16, September 20, and October 9 reported at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2012/We_Need_A_Breakthrough without adjusting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If I could talk to the wiki folks...

2012-12-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 9:53 PM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 28, 2012 7:12 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Hi, it should probably be emphasized that this organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] bond funds? (was Re: Annual Audit of the Wikimedia Foundation)

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
This mailing list is not a suitable venue for a detailed discussion about investment strategy. There are a lot of different things you have to take into account when choosing investments. If the foundation wants to investigate other investment options they need to get a professional investment

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 27, 2012 10:50 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: this is the most current iteration of a type of thread that I find contributes a great deal of stress to my work here. There are a number of assumptions that strike me as bad faith and many of them are targeted at people I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 12:52 AM, Matthew Roth mr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect the assumption of bad faith is because he doesn't believe anyone could genuinely propose such a ridiculously bad idea. When limits

Re: [Wikimedia-l] fundraising status?

2012-12-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 28, 2012 1:02 AM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: Le 27/12/2012 21:34, Thomas Dalton a écrit : On Dec 27, 2012 10:50 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: this is the most current iteration of a type of thread that I find contributes a great deal of stress to my work here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] brief WMDE fundraising update

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 17, 2012 2:21 PM, Michael Jahn michael.j...@wikimedia.de wrote: Dear all, just a brief update from Wikimedia Deutschland on our current fundraising campaign. It's been running since November 13, involving variations of facts banners in combination with personal appeals. We're on track

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising updates?

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
Have you considered doing some longer tests? Lasting a week, say. It would enable you to do proper multivariate testing, including dependencies between variables (which I don't think you have done any real tests of yet). It would also let you test time dependence. Eg., does a particular message

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising updates?

2012-12-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 17 December 2012 17:28, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas writes: You could also model banner fatigue properly, which could be very useful. Yes, a detailed model of banner fatigue would be fascinating. It's certainly something studied by many groups in different contexts;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Fwd: Announcement: Wikimedia Foundation restructure (Global Dev Engineering)

2012-12-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 December 2012 00:04, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: First, we’re going to revamp Global Development. Starting now, that department will be called Grantmaking and Programs. It will be co-led by Anasuya (grantmaking) and Frank (programs). Anasuya and Frank will have separate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
Zack, you may want to look up sample bias... Of course you don't get many complaints from the people that responded positively to the banners... On Dec 4, 2012 5:56 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Unacceptable!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-04 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Dec 4, 2012 7:56 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: Next year, we'll discuss options and do some surveys of logged in and not-logged-in users and try to make a good decision about what the least painful way for all will be to raise the money. Collating some good quality data would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 3 December 2012 20:11, Pavel Richter pavel.rich...@wikimedia.de wrote: the thing we are selling to people As I see it, we are not *selling *anything. Wikimedia provides a free encyclopedia to the public, and it promotes Free Knowledge worldwide. For this, we ask for donations, during a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser causing confusion

2012-11-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 November 2012 14:41, Charles Andrès charles.and...@wikimedia.ch wrote: In fact we haven't seen the link before but we had the same in Switzerland, it seems that in a way people complain about the traditional banners that are to intrusive, but in the other hand they are more suspicious

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-27 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 27 November 2012 15:06, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Thanks for the announcement. I'm curious how it will work out. Would it be possible to give a ballpark figure on what percentage of what amount you're expecting/aiming to collect in these five countries in this month, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
This is an interesting idea, and makes a lot of sense. Non-English fundraising hasn't really had the attention it needs in previous years (for obvious reasons - it's more efficient to focus your attention where you can achieve the most) and this should make a big difference. I'm curious, as you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraiser launch update

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 26, 2012 5:15 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: This year we did something different and went up all over the world for 24 hours on Nov 15 as sort of a dress rehearsal. That really helped us to identify a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 17, 2012 7:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Thomas Dalton, 16/11/2012 13:25: I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why we disagreed. I thought a lot more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 November 2012 13:06, Osmar Valdebenito os...@wikimediachile.cl wrote: Yes, it would be great to have a lot of details and I haven't seen any problems by the FDC to provide them as long as you ask them but you can't expect them to do all that extra work 'for free'. Yes, you can. When you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 15, 2012 7:26 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: and also that WCA membership fees have been deducted for everyone (but not other WCA-related costs), as WCA may apply for FDC funding directly (or choose a different model, once it is decided, and the organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
If nobody gave funding to things that aren't operational yet, not a lot would happen... On Nov 15, 2012 8:03 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It seems like it would've made more sense to exclude WCA costs entirely, since it doesn't actually exist nor does it have any meaningful operations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

2012-11-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
I agree that the explanations could be more details. In particular, I would be interested to know where some of the numbers came from. For example, take WMUK. I agree that WMUK's plan was over ambitious, but how did the FDC come to that particular recommendation? Presumably they had some kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
I would be very surprised if the trustee Secretary actually took minutes... That would usually be delegated... On Nov 6, 2012 12:02 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: It would strike me that one of the urgencies that might be involved is the fact that this resolution was passed so that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-05 Thread Thomas Dalton
resolutions? Further, it's to improve compliance with legislation. Thus, it's housekeeping. Risker On 5 November 2012 19:04, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I would be very surprised if the trustee Secretary actually took minutes... That would usually be delegated... On Nov 6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Under block threat on fr.wp because of request on meta

2012-11-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
You're taking about a whistleblower policy[1], essentially. Normally, they are restricted to reporting violations off the law, rather than internal policies (see the Foundation's policy[2] for example) but there is no reason we couldn't have a broader one. It would need to be quite limited in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Democratizing the Wikimedia Foundation

2012-11-03 Thread Thomas Dalton
Transparency is necessary for democracy, but it is only one part of it. I think Lodewijk wants to discuss ways of involving the community in the Foundation's governance, not just ways to keep it informed. On Nov 3, 2012 12:48 PM, Patricio Lorente patricio.lore...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/11/3

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
Bishaka, Seeing as there was no public discussion of these amendments, to my knowledge, can you at least explain them now? The responsibilities of the Secretary and Treasurer are board responsibilities. While the day-to-day work of the role may be delegated to staff, it is still the job of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board resolutions on bylaw amendments and appointment of Foundation staff officers

2012-11-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Nov 2, 2012 3:07 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The responsibilities of the Secretary and Treasurer are board responsibilities. While the day-to-day work of the role may be delegated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

2012-10-21 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 21 October 2012 22:29, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The connection is that it is an example of the significantly more negative/hostile environment and failure of en.wp's governance structure that harms editor retention; this is something that could have been studied and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Oct 15, 2012 6:06 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This announcement is worrying, to say the least. In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with one of the most retrograde government, which is also a regular censor on Internet content. How could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFT5: what practical benefits has it had?

2012-10-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 October 2012 20:19, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed; I remember some (internal) announcements around this, which caused me and no doubt others to while away an evening just after deployment clicking helpful/unhelpful :) I didn't spend an entire evening on it, but I can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info: Recruitment process for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-10-11 Thread Thomas Dalton
The consultant has apparently been chosen already based on a recommendation from Pavel. What other consultants were considered? What was the process? Did you get competing quotes? On Oct 10, 2012 10:39 PM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hi, I have created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 October 2012 00:31, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. If we split movement-wide costs into essential, high priority, and non-core, I think the FDC should grow to review most of the non-essential funds. Which would include more than 10% of the WMF budget. If you view it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What is the status of the WCA?

2012-10-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
16:12, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current status of the WCA? The last update I can find is an email from Ziko to this list on 24 August (a month and a half ago) saying there would be a full report soon. Have I missed that report or are we still waiting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia-blog] [Wikimedia Announcements] Joint statement from Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia UK

2012-09-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
How about you shake your addiction to secrecy and tell us what the problem is? On Sep 28, 2012 11:20 PM, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: On 28 Sep 2012, at 23:17, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 28 September 2012 23:00, Michael Peel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 19 September 2012 12:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 12 September 2012 08:45, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Also from Para 1, how can a person violate a contract without being a party to it? That's what tortuous interference is all about. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortious_interference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for volunteers: 2012-2013 Audit Committee

2012-09-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 September 2012 14:12, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: One quick question - will the Audit Committee work with/oversee the finances of the FDC as well? The FDC has its own Ombudspeople (person? not sure if it's one or two) but it's not clear whether the scope of the AC has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... Well, it's Creative Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:59, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied across

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 21:25, Michael Peel michael.p...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as: This article uses material from the Wikipedia article [[Metasyntactic variable]], which is released under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Sep 6, 2012 7:27 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Other than in the process of enforcing telecommunications law, is there any way to challenge the presumed immunity of a particular entity under Section 230? It seems to me, as a layperson, that Internet Brand's role in Wikitravel has

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