Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread Thomas Morton
The rights and wrongs of this dispute aside (and, crikey, I really have not idea who is in the right at this point), and putting aside the right/wrong of releasing the email (I tend to side with Erik): This is the form of language that e.g. men use to dismiss women as "emotional". It's vile and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-09 Thread Thomas Morton
And more to the point; not knowing is a poor defence. Surely any level of due diligence on new board members would have exposed this troubling incident? Tom On Sat, 9 Jan 2016 09:27 Fæ wrote: > On 9 January 2016 at 09:06, Chris Keating > wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]

2015-01-11 Thread Thomas Morton
I think the point is that the list owner is deiberately using those tactics to gain attention :) Tom On 11 Jan 2015 13:55, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Would it not be more practical to ask the list owner at Google to kill his list and create a new one with a new name and to NOT

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation of messages sent to this list

2014-06-21 Thread Thomas Morton
At a guess; unpleasant snark. Tom On 21 Jun 2014 16:49, Tomasz W. Kozłowski twkozlow...@gmail.com wrote: Earlier today, I used the Gmane.org gateway to send a message to this mailing list in response to the Iraqi 2014 elections thread started by GerardM. Here is the content of my message

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Thomas Morton
I cannot believe I am saying this; but I totally agree with Russavia. Wil; why not have a go contributing to some WP articles and seeing what your experience is. We have a comment statement that gets made on flame threads, which boils down to isn't there an article you could be writing? Tom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Thomas Morton
Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the content on Commons. I'd also like to hear about specific examples of content on Commons that a parent might not find appropriate for their children. Note

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocking Wil from this List

2014-05-28 Thread Thomas Morton
Wil I ask this as a serious, non-snarky question; have you stepped back for a second and thought about your actions here. Some responses have been a bit tough. But I don't think you've handled yourself at all well. Imagine, for example, I came into your place of work and started asking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Wikipedia medical entries

2014-05-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Osteopathy is one of those “difficult” ones, where it does have some real evidence to back it up - but in the UK certain practitioners make exceptional and (hokum) claims. The NHS recommends it for Lower Back Pain (http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Osteopathy/Pages/Introduction.aspx, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] United Nation of Wikimedia

2014-04-07 Thread Thomas Morton
Hi Ting, It's lovely to see such operatic vision! And I for one would love to see some of those things happen. But, just to bring it down a bit; the technological issues rear their ugly heads. Engineering-wise, hosting Wikipedia is a tough problem. Distributing Wikimedia hosting across the globe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright URAA trolls on Wikimedia Commons

2014-01-01 Thread Thomas Morton
Well not to get into a whole seperate discussion; but from emails recovered by prosecutors it seems they knowingly violated the safe harbour provisions by claiming to copyright holders that they had no access to raw files, when in fact they did. Actually, that context does have relevance. To what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

2013-07-01 Thread Thomas Morton
tl;dr: voting creates winners and losers, and losers are unhappy and disengage. We see this effect anyway. Correlation does not imply causation. :) Tom ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Thomas Morton
I've been watching this unfold over the weekend. And am sorely disapointed with the rudeness from ALL sides (not from everyone, it should be said) The action of removing admin access with little warning, and last thing on a Friday is obnoxious and rude. I'd expect the foundation to review

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
If you mean publish something on tweeter while browsing a WMF project, I can't see the point. I'm sure most users know they can have more than one tab/window at a time. Weren't you asking for evidence to back up similar assertions a minute ago? :D Those said, I don't use Twitter in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
Or, you could click a button. Why is making something easy a problem? And more to the point; a very large number of people would become confused with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top 0.1% of technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not based on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tweet this page from some or all sites???

2013-04-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 April 2013 14:39, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.orgwrote: Le 2013-04-18 14:42, Thomas Morton a écrit : Those said, I don't use Twitter in the first place, so I really have no idea what kind of gap you would like to fill with your feature. *rolls eyes* Sorry, I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] xkcd collecting donations for WMF?

2013-04-01 Thread Thomas Morton
Heh, the CSV's have some amusing, umm. campaign names in them... Tom On 1 April 2013 20:42, Manuel Schneider manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.chwrote: Thanks Marc and Michael! Am 01.04.2013 21:28, schrieb Marc A. Pelletier: http://samarium.wikimedia.org/ My understanding is that this was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] xkcd collecting donations for WMF?

2013-04-01 Thread Thomas Morton
Not uncommon for Xkcd :p Although the article being used is changing so rapidly that it's unlikely to cause much disruption. On an unrelated note; I can't make head nor tails of some of those csv files... Are we really collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars daily??? :s Tom On Monday,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-29 Thread Thomas Morton
It's a weird dichotomy. I've spent several hundred quid on source material for my current topic area. I could easily have spent several grand. Paid editing is a major issue, because it conflicts with our culture But if someone were able to buy my sources then it would be of huge benefit. And,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New member of staff for WMUK Education

2013-03-26 Thread Thomas Morton
Hi Toni! Welcome aboard :) look forward to meeting you at some point over the next few months. Tom On 26 March 2013 14:00, Toni Sant toni.s...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Hello! Some of you may already know me, but I thought it would be good to send out a message to this list to let everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-21 Thread Thomas Morton
I offered to look into this some time last year, and apply for a grant to write an up to date piece of software. However it didn't get a good response, with the foundation promising an OTRS update early this year... apparent progress was made at that point, but it petered out very quickly. Tom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Licencing question

2013-01-22 Thread Thomas Morton
I've always considered this poor policy on the part of Wikipedia; a sort of intellectual grab that we do so well :( I've uploaded images before by great photographers, after working to obtain their permission, and make a point of crediting them when inserting the image into the article - partly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] compromise?

2013-01-05 Thread Thomas Morton
expenses in the U.S., just over two years of the difference between typical junior software engineer pay at the Wikimedia and Mozilla foundations is the same amount that the average American who enters bankruptcy because of medical expenses has in debt. On 5 January 2013 11:11, Thomas Morton

Re: [Wikimedia-l] proposed urgent Board of Trustees resolution without a meeting

2012-12-24 Thread Thomas Morton
From a good governance point of view maximum is a bad idea. This motion would introduce so very poor governance ideas without clear aims. Tom On Monday, December 24, 2012, James Salsman wrote: Federico, Thank you for your very helpful reply. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Glassdoor.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banners are too bright, too long

2012-12-05 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 Dec 2012, at 19:09, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: That's nice and all, but there should also be no sticking. When I scroll a page, I expect the -entire page- to scroll. Anything that breaks that and moves with or sticks with the page is extremely visually distracting and gets

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Info action

2012-10-23 Thread Thomas Morton
On 23 October 2012 11:29, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 22 October 2012 22:41, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: This is just a heads-up that you'll start seeing a Page information link in the sidebar (under Toolbox) in the coming days on Wikimedia wikis. This sounds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please can someone put 50p in the meter

2012-10-12 Thread Thomas Morton
And up here in Lincoln. Tom Morton On 12 Oct 2012, at 17:23, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Also working for me. John Vandenberg. sent from Galaxy Note On Oct 12, 2012 11:21 PM, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote: No trouble here either. On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naming for the Travel Guide project

2012-09-27 Thread Thomas Morton
If anyone has a good idea for a name, but lacks to funds or means to pick it up (and the WMF declines to do so), feel free to get in touch. I am happy to handle the purchase and later transfer (if it wins!) for you :) Hopefully that removes that hurdle :D Tom On 27 September 2012 13:48,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Thomas Morton
Of course; if a member of the local Muslim community put on a fake uniform for the shop in question, and stood outside handing out leaflets about the better place... that would be a problem. This is what IB appear to be alleging. All of these metaphor, however, are very interesting; but not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Thomas Morton
On 12 September 2012 12:29, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: On 12 September 2012 12:27, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: [...] fortunately courts do not rely on metaphors :) Tom Oh they do. That's precisely what case law is. Inaccurate metaphors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-12 Thread Thomas Morton
On 12 September 2012 12:34, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: *@Tom:* Case law is all about analogous situations so these matter very much. The side-suggestion you make is more about tortious deception (I pretend to be an employee or official representative of someone, or pretend not to be),

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-11 Thread Thomas Morton
On 11 September 2012 12:16, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 September 2012 09:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Reading through it now I have had time, and with my legal cap on.. IB probably have a strong enough case to win some of their claims

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitravel hits spammy oblivion

2012-09-10 Thread Thomas Morton
Gloating (and throwing insults) is childish, and will not help resolve the situation. Tom On 10 September 2012 12:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Noticed by Keegan Peterzell. http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Special%3ARecentChangeslimit=500 Turns out you can't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Morton
Just to note: Everyone (including in the recent board statement) seems to be avoiding mention that this new travel site has come about due to Wiki Travel admins having an interest in moving away from IB, or that it will be seeded with Wiki Travel content. It seems intellectually dishonest to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Seeks Declaratory Relief in response to Legal Threats from Internet Brands

2012-09-06 Thread Thomas Morton
...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 September 2012 14:53, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Everyone (including in the recent board statement) seems to be avoiding mention that this new travel site has come about due to Wiki Travel admins having an interest in moving away from IB

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide RFC closing in 3,2,...

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Morton
I see none of the issues raised were really addressed. Another spam filled, little populated, project then. *sigh* Tom On 23 August 2012 11:53, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 22 August 2012 22:39, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: For those interested, a quick

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright on Xrays

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Morton
2) The X ray tech who took the image 3) The person / institution who paid to have the image taken a) The HMO or patient if in the USA b) The government if in many parts of the world 4) The doctor who ordered the image 5) The doctor who read the image 6) The hospital / shareholders of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread Thomas Morton
One of the key problems with the interface is that it doesn't do a lot to seperate editing and reading. I know the point is to make editing easy - and to encourage readers to become editors. But realistically most of them will not - and we could do significantly better in streamlining our anon.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

2012-07-25 Thread Thomas Morton
On 25 July 2012 21:01, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 July 2012 20:44, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the key problems with the interface is that it doesn't do a lot to seperate editing and reading. I know the point is to make editing easy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Thomas Morton
On 12 July 2012 10:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 July 2012 08:47, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: At the heart of the Wikipedia/Wikimedia projects' success is democratic action, driven by those who are engaged in the process of promoting, supporting, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-10 Thread Thomas Morton
On 9 July 2012 20:41, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia [1] (in Russian). Unless I am missing something key; whilst this is a crappy law, it is not much like SOPA/PIPA in that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 3 July 2012 12:02, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Tuesday, 3 July 2012 at 10:15, Svip wrote: I can't believe _I_ am not the ultimate ruler on what is valuable enough to get on Wikipedia. It seems most of the delete comments on the Justin Bieber article are mostly people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 July 2012 00:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2012 00:48, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the complement of the other; mainspace would become more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
Jimmy's platform is Wikipedia. The media struggle to seperate the two (note the connect back to SOPA in this case) Not that I agree entirely with Andreas. But certainly I think the community could have a view on this. Tom Morton On 27 Jun 2012, at 18:01, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer

2012-06-27 Thread Thomas Morton
On 27 June 2012 21:25, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2012 18:51, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: And hell, there really are two points of view about copyright, I understand you've not really

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:29, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I guess Tom misunderstood my comment. I wrote down a simple plan how an external solution could work and how to minimize the effort to maintain it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:42, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. If we tag images inside the project itself then we impose our judgment onto it, while ignoring or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 15:16, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-12 Thread Thomas Morton
This has been debated numerous times; to what extent does the attribution have to relate to the exact contribution of each author. A list of authors has been considered acceptable in the past (including on-wiki). Tom On 12 June 2012 23:48, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] speedydeletion.wika.com lauched

2012-06-11 Thread Thomas Morton
Indeed; and so it was... {{facepalm}} Tom On 11 June 2012 17:32, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: here is one that is worth keeping! http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/Rootstrikers On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:57 PM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Mike is the terror of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San Francisco office as a Technical Product Analyst, supporting the Visual Editor team. James started his work as a remote contractor yesterday and will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Announcement] James Forrester joins WMF as Technical Product Analyst

2012-05-17 Thread Thomas Morton
On 17 May 2012 18:25, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 17 May 2012 18:19, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: It’s my pleasure to announce that James Forrester is joining our San

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the Wikimedia Foundation should openly articulate its political POV by establishing a new neutral wiki for world political knowledge (modeled on Wikipedia)

2012-05-03 Thread Thomas Morton
As a fictional example, let's suppose some members of Congress propose legislation to build a new Brooklyn Bridge. Under the subject: HR 999 Proposal to build a new Brooklyn Bridge, there would be one pro and one con argument edited only by members of Congress and one pro and one con

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
First, NPOV would probably be a deal-breaker. The travel wiki community (usually working at Wikitravel) have long used Traveller's Point of View. This point of view is not neutral at all, but favours the traveller. Hoteliers, restaurateurs, etc. have different points of view, but for us it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
What I think would be important to avoid is too much subjective information from one individual; for example, where I to write about York, UK I would recommend not going to the Jorvik centre (a main attraction) because I thought it overpriced and boring. Whilst my viewpoint on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki

2012-04-12 Thread Thomas Morton
Just to highlight my earlier point about sourcing, the article on Florence currently says: Opera was invented in Florence. This happens to be true - but I have no proof of it, and it may well simply be the opinion of the original writer. Much of the rest of the historical section is the same;