Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation and Saudi Telecom (STC) partner to provide access to Wikipedia free of mobile data charges in the Middle East

2012-10-15 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 15.10.2012 21:19, schrieb Theo10011: On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Yann Forget yan...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, This announcement is worrying, to say the least. In other words, the Wikimedia Foundation is doing a partnership with one of the most retrograde government, which is also a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Your answer would imply that we never ever should try to combine a free image with any of our logos in a single work (not a collection). I wrote the reason in a previous mail already. We would have a copyright violation if the new work is released under a free license since the logo isn't free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
and repository. The content may be free, the repository may be not free. Following your concept if a newspaper would use the Commons content, it should release under free license his website, his logo, his content. On 03.07.2012 23:47, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: I don't know how it is handled after US law

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
that what is in my screen is mine and that anything is free can be used for any purposes. On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: You will have to split between trademark laws and copyright laws. Both concepts exist separately from each other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 04.07.2012 20:52, schrieb David Gerard: On 4 July 2012 19:22, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192 Dunno about OT. The public protests across Europe followed from the SOPA blackout. - d. Not really. The first big protests started at the end

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
I don't know how it is handled after US law, but if i consider German law then logos and trademarks are often even in the public domain, but protected as a trademark itself. But i also think that our logo is something to protect while being free at the same time. If we go strictly after the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
be not free. Following your concept if a newspaper would use the Commons content, it should release under free license his website, his logo, his content. On 03.07.2012 23:47, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: I don't know how it is handled after US law, but if i consider German law then logos and trademarks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
logo, his content. On 03.07.2012 23:47, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: I don't know how it is handled after US law, but if i consider German law then logos and trademarks are often even in the public domain, but protected as a trademark itself. But i also think that our logo is something to protect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 21:55, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Todd Allentoddmal...@gmail.com wrote: This thread isn't about copyvios, and I don't want to get too far afield, but I think it does kind of show the thought process here sometimes. From my read of the discussions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 22:24, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Andreas Kolbejayen...@gmail.com wrote: Well, Todd has certainly said on-wiki in the past that he would not see a problem in Wikipedia using a video of rape to illustrate an article on the topic, provided it were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 21.06.2012 22:51, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Can you point me to any examples of real child abuse, sexual abuse or of child sexual abuse? On Wikipedia? On Commons? Anywhere? Do i really need to answer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-21 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 22.06.2012 00:02, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 21.06.2012 22:51, schrieb Anthony: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.comwrote: Can you point me to any examples

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 09:21, schrieb David Gerard: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 13:52, schrieb Thomas Morton: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: On Monday, 18 June 2012 at 02:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Every stupid bot could do this. There is no running out of the box solution at the moment, but the effort to set up something like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. Any tagging by non neutral definitions would interfere with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 19.06.2012 01:39, schrieb Anthony: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this? It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 17:16, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: So I think my question - if this is so obviously the right thing, then where are the existing attempts? - still stands as relevant. The fact that it is the right thing isn't obvious,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 21:41, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 00:40, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 15.06.2012 23:22, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:21 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? (IIRC the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 16.06.2012 23:36, schrieb Tom Morris: On Saturday, 16 June 2012 at 20:21, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: That means they already found a solution to their problem that includes the whole web at once. As you might have noticed it isn't perfect. I guess that it could be easily improved over time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-16 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 01:21, schrieb Anthony: I have never seen a censorware that works flawlessly (not even china can do this right). Either it allows to much (incomplete blacklist) or it is unnecessary limited (incomplete whitelist producing angry mob). Additionally it has to suite the view of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-15 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 14.06.2012 19:31, schrieb geni: On 14 June 2012 18:01, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but this is called editorial judgement No its called censorship. Or at least it will be called censorship by enough people to make any debate not worth the effort. It is called censorship right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki-research-l] MathJax comes to Wikipedia

2012-05-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 03.05.2012 18:49, schrieb Erik Moeller: On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Dario Taraborelli dtarabore...@wikimedia.org wrote: MathJax [1] is now enabled site-wide as an opt-in preference. You can now see beautifully rendered, accessible, copypasteable and standard-compliant (MathML)