Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Todd Allen
Except, apparently, if someone says "fart". For godsakes, that's about the mildest of language you could ask for. I could use far stronger about this whole farce. If the "UCoC" means that people can't say "fart" because someone might get their feewings hurted, then I've very well been right to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-09 Thread Todd Allen
Erm, wait. He said what, "fart"? It's not a particularly good look for a WMF employee to be moderating someone critiquing the WMF, especially when, while their statement may have been strongly worded, it used pretty mild language. This should either be undone, or at least decided upon by someone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Todd Allen
It depends on the nature of the incident. If the harassment took place on the wiki, yes, it should be reported via an on-wiki process since it does not involve private information. On the English Wikipedia, that would generally be AN/I. If the harassment happened off-wiki (e.g., via harassing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Todd Allen
gt; > > Best > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < > > > m...@anderswennersten.se> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it > yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Todd Allen
phases > > Anders > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: > > Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in? > The > > one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No". > > > > Off-wiki backchanneli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Todd Allen
na) wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 15:29, Todd Allen wrote: > > > That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't > be a > > "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. > > > > It's not clear to me what you're referr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Todd Allen
even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does > not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the > best way we know how to come to a decision. > > And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all > parties being effected by it > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-07-31 Thread Todd Allen
Uh, guys? That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't be a "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. Todd On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenber...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > We are happy to announce that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: Briefing postponement

2020-07-17 Thread Todd Allen
And, how might one view it? Todd On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 11:29 AM Zack McCune wrote: > Hello all - > > A quick update on timing: this Board briefing has been rescheduled for July > 28th. > > thanks, > > - Zack > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 6:24 AM João Alexandre Peschanski < > joa...@gmail.com>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-07-09 Thread Todd Allen
I tend to agree with this. I'm one of the first to criticize WMF when they deserve it (I wish they didn't as often!), but I see nothing wrong with consumers of huge amounts of data being asked to chip in to cover the costs of providing it. That is, of course, provided that there is never any fee

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hong Kong community's concern on implementing Hong Kong National Security Law

2020-06-30 Thread Todd Allen
Yes, this is very concerning indeed, and please do keep us up to date, especially if any of these measures are used against someone for editing Wikimedia projects or being a part of one of our communities or groups. I know that some countries are considering economic sanctions for these types of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-23 Thread Todd Allen
Worked out great the last time WMF tried to pull something like this, didn't it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram Oh, wait. By "worked out great" I mean "was an unmitigated disaster." One wonders if the folks at the WMF are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Annoying ads

2020-05-07 Thread Todd Allen
I don't see a particular issue with requesting totally voluntary donations. It's not like we're putting up a paywall, so if someone can't afford it right now, they lose nothing by not donating. It may even be that for some (as per the feedback in the previous email from Nick) that making a small

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Todd Allen
Had the WMF just mentioned Earth Day, I don't think there would have been any trouble with that. The issue here is the support of an explicitly political organization, not just of Earth Day. I can't imagine anyone could have had an issue with an anodyne banner saying something like "Remember our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-04-15 Thread Todd Allen
There certainly is a lot to reflect on, isn't there? Maybe you can do some reflecting on the fact that those "long-time contributors" were, in many cases, working on Wikipedia before most people had ever even heard of it (when I first started working on it, "What's Wikipedia?" would be a question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-07 Thread Todd Allen
I'm certainly not a big proponent of a global code of conduct (especially after the Fram disaster), but if there is to be one, I could actually see one like this being useful. We have had instances in the past where smaller projects had an admin corps that abused their tools to preserve content

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-26 Thread Todd Allen
Samir, I don't think the "FAQ" gets the point. The "AQ" was if the "rebranding" was acceptable. The answer was a resounding "no". On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 5:16 PM Samir Elsharbaty wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Brand Project Team felt it was important to address the concerns and > questions around

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Covid-19] Postponing Wikimania Bangkok until 2021

2020-03-18 Thread Todd Allen
Unfortunate, but certainly the right call. Todd On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 2:57 PM Katherine Maher wrote: > Dear everyone, > > As a part of the Wikimedia movement’s ongoing response to the COVID-19 > pandemic, we are postponing Wikimania Bangkok 2020. This decision was made > with the full support

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-14 Thread Todd Allen
Essie, The answer to that proposal was a clear, unambiguous "no". Not "keep asking". Immediately stop this process. And don't use an agency blocked for spamming our projects. Todd On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 11:33 AM Essie Zar wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > There are some new updates and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SEEKING A WIKIPEDIAN IN RESIDENCE! (U.S.)

2020-02-27 Thread Todd Allen
I don't think the posting itself is inappropriate. It's Wikimedia-related business, and that, broadly, is what this list is for. Still, the use of ALL CAPS for a subject which will only be of relevance to a small fraction of readers is indeed a bit much. (And that's true even beyond geography; I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
Then, they're welcome to pop on in any time. If they choose not to, well, no one can make them. Anyone is able to use those tools. Todd On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 3:32 PM Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi, > > Le mer. 19 févr. 2020 à 10:31, Todd Allen a écrit : > > > I don't th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
press your views in a good-faith and > respectful manner. > > On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view. > > > To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels and the > admin back-channels to start with. > > > Aron > > > On Wed,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
I don't think anyone had bad intentions. It was just redundant. Real time communication is on IRC. Asynchronous communication is either on the wiki, preferably, or on the mailing list. Quit trying to make us TwitFaceTube. The tools we already have work just fine. Todd On Wed, Feb 19, 2020,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-19 Thread Todd Allen
; might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get > > their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please > > stay tuned. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nicole > > > > > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen wr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

2020-02-14 Thread Todd Allen
Hello Nicole, The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example, several jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is clearly being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Tool from Community Tech: Who Wrote That?

2020-01-24 Thread Todd Allen
I've just tested it out for Chrome. The load time is slightly on the long side, but overall, this is an excellent tool that I think will be very helpful indeed. Really well done! Todd On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ilana Fried wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > I’m very excited to share a new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-20 Thread Todd Allen
Katherine, These are very disappointing. It does not seem like a bit of the feedback on earlier versions was taken into consideration at all. Can we expect anything we say to matter this time around, or will we once again be talking to the wall? Todd On Mon, Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM Katherine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-20 Thread Todd Allen
That's...really not how this works. We don't say "It's hard to gain consensus, so screw it, we're going ahead anyway." If you can't gain consensus for what you're doing, then you should stop doing it. Yes, consensus for major changes is hard. That doesn't mean it is not required or should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-13 Thread Todd Allen
I would tend to agree. This process has been ongoing for many months now, and the community raised substantial concerns about the initial proposals. Whether deliberate or not, allowing only a week for discussion of the final product seems an attempt to ram it through. Surely longer than a week can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia was edited from the ISS

2019-12-30 Thread Todd Allen
Internally, absolutely. I was more responding to it having been placed into an actual article (the one on Wikipedia itself) with the only source being a diff and tweet. An internal website log and a tweet wouldn't be enough for inclusion of something like that in an article about any other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia was edited from the ISS

2019-12-29 Thread Todd Allen
It's neat if it happened, but currently, that material was only "sourced" to a Wikipedia diff and a tweet (and not even a tweet by her). We'd need better than that for verification, so I'd hold off saying it definitely happened until fact-checked sources confirm it did. (Not to say I don't believe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-12 Thread Todd Allen
2019 at 4:22 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > Try holding your cellphone vertically. > > tor. 12. des. 2019, 22.38 skrev Todd Allen : > > > Erm, I remember what websites looked like in 1996. I even made some then. > > It looks nothing like that. > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

2019-12-12 Thread Todd Allen
Erm, I remember what websites looked like in 1996. I even made some then. It looks nothing like that. On the other hand, on the site you linked to? The first thing I see is an absolutely huge photo of a robot looking at me. I have to scroll down past that to get to the actual meat, the text

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TLS

2019-11-24 Thread Todd Allen
There comes a time at which "deprecated" has to turn into "no longer supported". Unfortunately, there are inevitably some people left who that will inconvenience, but without that, systems collapse under the weight of providing legacy support for obsolete, rarely-used protocols. If said

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-22 Thread Todd Allen
nto WP or en.wikt shortly after I had heard about the > > MW > > > > participation in the strike. I jumped to an apparently wrong > > conclusion. > > > > Sorry. > > > > > > > > I am glad that the availability of free knowledg

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-21 Thread Todd Allen
As far as I can tell, only the Foundation wiki is showing the strike message. That particular one is pretty much theirs to do as they like with. If they started doing that to any other wikis without their agreement, well, then we'd have a problem. But so long as it's only the WMF wiki itself, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Todd Allen
I would agree with Philippe. I don't think I am stupid, but I know at times I have said stupid things. And I think Fae's concerns are reasonable, and also call into question whether we should be encouraging tourism revenue to flow to illiberal, repressive regimes to begin with. But certainly if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Todd Allen
Also, "use the mailing list" is a problem in itself. Discussion should be taking place publicly and on-wiki, not via email. Lack of transparency in this process is a serious problem, and it is exacerbated by trying to push discussions to a private medium. Discussions should take place openly and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-07 Thread Todd Allen
Yes, let's see an actually public RfC on this. We shouldn't have to argue about what the support/oppose proportions are, we should see it right there on an on-wiki page where anyone is free to review them. Todd On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:06 PM David Gerard wrote: > I concur, it sounds sensible.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Todd Allen
f > the recommendations, especially as there may be people who read and engage > with this list who have not had time to study the recommendations (or > indeed the Fram saga cited a number of times earlier). > > > Best regards, > Bence > > Todd Allen (időpont: 2019. a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-25 Thread Todd Allen
we getting this garbage from WMF "working groups"? Do they know nothing at all about how the projects work, or do they not care and are trying to override them? On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 6:00 PM Todd Allen wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Todd Allen
ed with VE, or Superprotect, or...any of that. What WMF should've learned from that is to never pull any hamfisted interference with a local community again. Has that lesson, at least, been learned? Todd On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 4:07 PM Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Todd Allen
Then, why'd we hear something so dismissive as this? " However, among those who are interested in organizational discussions (I'd call them "activists", I'm unsure how many there are, probably between 5 and 10 thousand, give or take) some will definitely be unhappy about the recommendations. Some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

2019-08-12 Thread Todd Allen
NC would also create a nightmare for downstream reusers. If I want to use some portions of a Wikipedia article in a blog post, and I have a couple ads on my blog to help defray the hosting costs, does that violate NC? And certainly the stuff James brings up, regarding providing mechanisms for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Todd Allen
"And just to keep this on track, what is your view on how we can incorporate indigenous knowledge without it becoming commercialised by the current licensing scheme?" We can't and no one can. Knowledge, ideas, and concepts cannot be copyrighted to begin with. Now, specific expressions of those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-11 Thread Todd Allen
barczuk wrote: > >> How about talk pages? >> >> Z poważaniem / Kind regards >> >> *Szymon Grabarczuk* >> userpage: pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion >> <http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion> >> <http://pl.wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-10 Thread Todd Allen
There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there should be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I would like to object to. Todd On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Nicole Ebber wrote: > Dear fellow Wikimedians, > > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
I wish that it were. Unfortunately, it is actually the case. Todd On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 5:42 AM Michel Vuijlsteke wrote: > This is sarcasm, right? Right? > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 12:16 Todd Allen, wrote: > > > Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
Doxing means to reveal personal data about someone against their wishes. So if you found out my address and telephone number and posted it to this thread, that would be doxing me. On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 5:26 AM Thyge wrote: > - and please explain the meaning of 'doxxed" as well. Is that US slang?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
Well, inclusionism generally is toxic. It lets a huge volume of garbage pile up. Deletionism just takes out the trash. We did it with damn Pokemon, and we'll eventually do it with junk football "biographies", with "football" in the sense of American and otherwise. We'll sooner or later get it done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-05 Thread Todd Allen
That "arcane lore" has resulted in the largest educational work ever produced by humanity, and free for everyone both as in speech and as in beer. So I think we need to consider carefully before radically changing it. It has worked, and worked unimaginably well, for most of two decades. That's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-01 Thread Todd Allen
Well, first off, there's no guarantee that anyone even knows their real name. They could find mine, sure, but then I've never made an attempt to keep it secret. I suspect many editors never have given out their real name, and publishing a guess would be unethical beyond belief. But just no, in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On wiki versus off wiki - it may not be that simple

2019-06-30 Thread Todd Allen
Well, I think we're all well aware that not everything pertaining to the situation is on-wiki. There were clearly communications that were not, even if just those that took place during WMF's review procedure, the ones they've had with ArbCom, etc. The question that was asked, specifically, was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-28 Thread Todd Allen
why can't the WMF > > say even so much as a, "That's not accurate."? > > > > You really think he's just outright lying? > > > > > > > > On Jun 14, 2019, at 4:03 PM, David Gerard wrote: > > > > > If you really think Fram's framing of events her

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-16 Thread Todd Allen
I think it's a good question. The first thing, I think, is to regain the community's trust, which has been very badly damaged at this point. I only see one way for them to do that, and that is to back off, sooner rather than later. Ensure the community that this will not happen again, at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Todd Allen
No they're not. Just within the last month or thereabouts, the English Wikipedia ArbCom desysopped three administrators. One for poor tool use and communication, one for simple misuse and aggressive communication afterward, and one for socking. Admins are by no means "immune to sanctions"; if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Todd Allen
I think that's true too; such things are very often used metaphorically. I think everyone here is clear that no one is literally going to be drug off in a white van by a balaclava-wearing goon squad from the WMF and sent to a gulag. But the fact remains, those systems of justice are things we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Todd Allen
alone the story, then you're less competent than I have previously > considered you to be. > > On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 at 18:47, Todd Allen wrote: > > > > According to Fram, the WMF told him his "interaction ban" was for > > maintenance tagging two ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Todd Allen
ke myself (fifteen years), and community > victims of harassment asking T for help. > > > On Fri, Jun 14, 2019 at 1:58 PM Todd Allen wrote: > > > > "Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an admin, > > all these discussions would not have been d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Todd Allen
"Before asking why WMF has banned an admin (and if Fram was not an admin, all these discussions would not have been done), we need to ask ourselves why we (other users) have allowed such an attitude without intervening to stop it." First, if Fram were a well-known editor but not an admin, yes,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Todd Allen
, 14 Jun 2019 at 11:32, Todd Allen wrote: > > > > The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing > > garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! Harassment! > > Bad!" > > > > If you don't want your ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Todd Allen
The only case of "harassment" apparently cited here was "I kept writing garbage articles, and someone kept flagging them as garbage! Harassment! Bad!" If you don't want your articles to be flagged as garbage, FIND YOUR SOURCES PRIOR TO WRITING THEM, AND CITE THEM. That's rather a requirement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
I don't believe we can presume everyone who hasn't participated in the discussion would like to disagree but is afraid to. Among all active contributors, I suspect non-participants are mostly a mix of unaware of the issue, don't have a strong opinion about the issue, don't understand what's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
If you're suggesting we become in any way like Facebook, Twitter, or Flickr...then, please, gods help us no. Todd On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:34 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jun 2019 at 18:51, Todd Allen wrote: > > > It is not always necessary for everyone to se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
That one I'll give you. I suppose we could all turn it down a couple notches. Todd On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:56 AM Robert Fernandez wrote: > But star chamber rhetoric is not hyperbolic? > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:50 PM Todd Allen wrote: > > > > I think that's more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
ncy as you define it in > private matters involving things like (for example) off wiki > harassment and sexual abuse. This process involves multiple layers of > investigation and approval. The only thing it lacks is the ability > for you to pore over salacious details of someone's vic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
Robert, These two aren't mutually exclusive. Yes, Wikipedia belongs to everyone. Specifically, a place in the community of Wikipedia editors is open to anyone who would like to join. Those of us here have already done that. But it is natural in any community or organization to give more weight to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Todd Allen
They certainly don't have the expertise. Most of them aren't regular participants on the English Wikipedia, and even those who are often dial back after joining the WMF. The most relevant expertise is participation in the project itself, and familiarity with how things are supposed to be done on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-11 Thread Todd Allen
Amir, yes, ArbCom members must sign the WMF confidentiality agreement for nonpublic information ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Confidentiality_agreement_for_nonpublic_information) , as must all functionaries (checkuser, oversight, etc.). I was on the English Wikipedia ArbCom for two years, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Todd Allen
I wouldn't even have any idea what I'd need to do to be a sysop on Commons. I frequently do find copyvio images and nominate them for deletion on Commons while working on the English Wikipedia spam queue (and yes, I'm familiar with copyright law, and they have all, to my knowledge, indeed been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] GDPR and Wikimedia content?

2018-05-28 Thread Todd Allen
I'm not even aware that we'd be subject to GPDR. We already allow removal of personal information in some cases (outing by others, accidentally revealing one's IP address, etc.). If we were going to allow it in any case that doesn't happen today, that would need to be agreed to by the community,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-27 Thread Todd Allen
"Privacy" is often censorship by another name. Seems so here too. Of course, if the information is not sourced, or is not well sourced, it can and should be removed as a potential BLP issue. But if it is sourced, we're not making anything available to the public that wasn't already publicly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Category: French Jews on en.wp / GPDR

2018-05-25 Thread Todd Allen
We should no more follow French censorship laws than we should follow Turkish ones. All editors are responsible for compliance with the laws in their jurisdiction. Todd On Fri, May 25, 2018, 12:53 PM sashi wrote: > Hello, > > I am writing to ask if there are any plans to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Todd Allen
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > > Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland > > > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 6:28 AM > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems > > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Todd Allen
Abandoning notability and verifiability is a wide open sign for spammers and hoaxers. We have enough of that without giving them an engraved invitation. If published sources are biased, the efforts to correct that should be made at the source (literally) level. Just like rather than "disputing" a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] ¿Qué te hace feliz esta semana? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 11 March 2018)

2018-03-15 Thread Todd Allen
Fae, I really like that flowchart. Is it linked somewhere that uploaders can see it? Todd On Mar 15, 2018 7:09 AM, "Fæ" wrote: > 1. Happy to rediscover Clipboard History plugin in Chrome. It saves > the frustration of hunting around, or rewording, a reusable snippet of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Todd Allen
Yes, and then there's always the question. If he's getting paid, why aren't I? Why is he getting paid per word of article translated? Why am I not getting paid per spamvertisement deleted or vandal blocked? Why am I not getting paid for closing discussions that it takes hours of reading input and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-27 Thread Todd Allen
It is rather unfortunate that we went ahead with things like "Wikipedia Zero" without objection. It rather undermines our moral authority to demand net neutrality, and now that's really needed. Someone could easily say "But you support non-neutral schemes when it benefits you!", and not be far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Todd Allen
> >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some > > > >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD > > > >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is? > > > >> > > > >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Todd Allen
Is that still going on? I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on Wikipedia. I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned out pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on women involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
If I misread that part, my apologies. That still doesn't change the core issue, that money is being offered, and that it's being offered for quantity rather than quality. On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Gergo Tisza <gti...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:04 AM, T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. > > > > > ​I didn't. I'm calling out the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Todd Allen
Keegan, calling people names isn't helpful here. We've already had horrible projects to write tons of stubs before, like the "place" bots. And in those cases, we'd know at least roughly what they would do and how. This project is going for 100k articles. There are as of this writing 118 editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Presenting Community Engagement Insights 2016-17 Report: Tuesday, Oct 10, 1600 UTC

2017-10-09 Thread Todd Allen
Will there be anything available for editors who will not be able to view or participate in the event when it is live? Also, Youtube has seemed to be under criticism lately for taking steps to not allow all features of its site to be accessible to those of all views, and regardless is certainly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on public domain works

2017-08-19 Thread Todd Allen
Andy (or Fae), if you've corresponded with them, could you please post that correspondence here? Todd ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New feature: LoginNotify

2017-08-18 Thread Todd Allen
Great to see this, thanks! Todd On Aug 18, 2017 5:15 PM, "Danny Horn" wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The Community Tech team has released a new security feature this week: > LoginNotify, which gives you a notification when someone tries and fails to > log in to your account.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-02 Thread Todd Allen
I'd definitely agree there. There are a few non-negotiable points (NPOV, copyright and licensing, nonfree content, etc.), but outside those, individual projects generally have latitude to run things as their community needs. And a project with thirty users and a thousand articles will not be well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-05 Thread Todd Allen
With the recent ruling about ISPs being allowed to collect and sell user data in the US, we're at "highly exceptional circumstances". Good Internet citizens allow anonymous participation. We can soft block them, but surely we can revert vandals and block their accounts. If we can't even manage

Re: [Wikimedia-l] heads up: latest wacky jape from the music industry to whittle away DMCA safe harbours

2017-03-30 Thread Todd Allen
They pay them quite a lot. Youtube allows rights holders to put ads on content that's theirs and collect the money from them instead of having them taken down, if they want to. This is nothing more than another swipe at fair use. Automated systems cannot tell the difference between a full on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Using non-free elements vs our values (Apple Maps vs Wikipedia iOS app)

2017-03-10 Thread Todd Allen
I think it depends how it's being used. If the nonfree content is presented as an integral part of the interface, such as inline with the article, that's a problem. On the other hand, if the interface just allows the separate Apple Maps to be pulled up, that's a bit different. We frequently link

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-07 Thread Todd Allen
Could we set it up so that the uploader could set their preferred "Attribute me as..." text, if they want something different from the default? And make the facilities for generating it automatically more prominent? That would both help good faith uploaders to get better compliance without a lot

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-05 Thread Todd Allen
Thanks for the specific examples. I'm not a German speaker, and I know context and nuance can be lost in machine translation. That being said, the one about someone who was offering attribution and then got slapped with a bill for a simple technical error is very disturbing. Especially since as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-02 Thread Todd Allen
photo as a business model. > > (again: please correct me if I'm misunderstanding the core of the > discussion) > > Best, > Lodewijk > > 2017-03-02 14:50 GMT+01:00 Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com>: > > > The CC-BY-SA license asks for a basic courtesy: You give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-02 Thread Todd Allen
The CC-BY-SA license asks for a basic courtesy: You give an acknowledgement to the person who graciously let you use their work totally free. It takes all of five seconds to add "Photo by ___" to a caption. It takes very little more to add a note that the photo is CC licensed. I can see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Todd Allen
The idea was floated that since discussion has taken place on individual sections, discussion was not needed for the final document. I did not see any indication that this was the final decision on the matter. Though clarification would be quite appreciated. Todd On Feb 26, 2017 5:12 PM, "Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-24 Thread Todd Allen
I think we definitely should think about next steps if the draft fails to gain consensus. (And, for that matter, if it does get consensus, there will be a lot of followup work in that case too.) But if it fails, one of the most important questions will be "Why did people object to this and how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-21 Thread Todd Allen
Bernhardson < ebernhard...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Actually, I had no idea it was going on until very recently. It seems the > > initial communications were pretty much restricted to those alr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-21 Thread Todd Allen
Actually, I had no idea it was going on until very recently. It seems the initial communications were pretty much restricted to those already involved in technical areas or mailing lists. "The community", when we're talking about something that will affect everyone, means, well, everyone who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-06 Thread Todd Allen
And a partridge in a pear tree? But seriously. This is exactly what I was afraid of with opening the door to political advocacy. Todd On Feb 6, 2017 2:24 PM, "James Salsman" wrote: > On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Bill Takatoshi > wrote: > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-03 Thread Todd Allen
I don't think anyone is disputing the facts. I'm certainly not. And I am gravely concerned by what's being done, and I entirely oppose it. However, that doesn't mean I want to see WMF used as a political mouthpiece, even when what's being said happens to be things I fully agree with. Todd

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