[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2022 election - updates

[Uwe Herzke]

I've asked for the reasons to mix those two totally different type of seats in 
2021 on the discussion page of the board[1], but I never got any answer besides 
''the board decided this way'', which is in no way a valid decision process for 
community matters in the Wikiverse.
I've asked again on the page, where such things should appear at first, the 
board election committee[2], where to find the process for the election of the 
affiliate seats.

The mix-up of those two very distinct type of seats is in no way useful, nor 
has it anywhere discussed with the ultimate ruler of the Wikiverse, the 
community.

I'd rather see any answers on-wiki in those two threads then here, in this 
slightly off-wiki venue of a mailing list.

Grüße vom Sänger

[1]: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees#Why_mixing_up_community_and_affiliates
[2]: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/Board_elections#2022_affiliates_seats
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[Uwe Herzke]

This should be '''The''' Community wishlist, one for the whole bunch of devs 
that are supposed to be working for us editors.
Ther is up to now no option to make any wishes to all those myriads of devs, 
whose workforce is wasted on such useless and unwanted pet-projects like FLOW 
or ReBrand or whatever, instead of doing the main thing they are supposed to 
do: Held the editors get the projects working and maintaining the software. 

If there is just a tiny group if devs, who are allowed to listen to wishes of 
the community, they are of course overwhelmed, regardless of how busy and nice 
they are. They survey should lead to a bucket list of items, that need to be 
fixed before any new pet-project by any new C-level non-editor gets any 
ressources allocated.
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[Wikimedia-l] An Update From the Board

[Uwe Herzke]

@Pelagic:

As I just saw, that you were referring to an even older post, that was
about this section on the same talk page, the talk page on Meta about
the changes. That's the first place to look for such stuff, as that's
the most legitimate place for such discussions. Where did you expect this?

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/October_2020_-_Call_for_feedback_about_Bylaws_changes_and_Board_candidate_rubric#Update_after_the_first_feedback_round

Greetz from Sänger


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[Wikimedia-l] An Update From the Board

[Uwe Herzke]

@Pelagic:

The last update I know of is this here from November 17:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/October_2020_-_Call_for_feedback_about_Bylaws_changes_and_Board_candidate_rubric#Update_after_the_Board_Governance_Committee_meeting_on_Nov_17

Greetings from Sänger


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia coediting spaces?

[Uwe Herzke]

Hi Leinonen,

In Germany we have several kind of co-editing spaces, listed here:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community-Space

In addition there are as well several "Stammtische" (well, at least
usually, currently of course not):

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Treffen_der_Wikipedianer

Some are meeting online now, but most are waiting for better times
without that damned virus.

Greetings from Bremen,

Sänger



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[Wikimedia-l] WMF Advisory board

[Uwe Herzke]

I fully subscribe to that notion. The board has to be equipped with
members, who are primarily selected for their adherence with the core
values of the Wikiverse, the five pillars[1]. The WMF is not, and should
never be, anything like a corporation, it's an educational charitable
non-profit NGO.

"Member of the board" is not just a job but but a trusted position based
primarily on virtue, credibility and values.

Outside advise should be fetched either ad hoc or with some kind of
standard procedure from experts, like an advisory board.

Sänger

[1]https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values

> Andreas Kolbe schrieb:
> I've never understood why corporate appointees like Guy Kawasaki or the
> just-departed Arnnon Geshuri are voting board members, instead of being on
> the Advisory Board.
> 
> The board structure needs to be revised, and brought in line with basic
> democratic principles.
> 
> Andreas

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