[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open letter of support for Les sans pagEs

2022-09-23 Thread Vi to
Criticism and harassment must be told apart. I feel like LSP letter in French does, while supporting letter on meta doesn't. In collaborative projects driven by volunteers criticism should never be downplayed, even when actively contrasting its specific instances. Paid editing, neutrality,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-05-03 Thread Vi to
In practical terms the only working point for category #1 is the last one, which is already done *in theory*. Yes, proxying systems from countries affected by such problems can generally be exploited from elsewhere. About category #2 the first point is great, but it needs a committed development

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-05-01 Thread Vi to
Btw a general observation about something which seems to be neglected in general discourse: legal accountability. Wikimedia is not Wikileaks, we protect users as soon as they contribute in good faith to the project and a certain level of liability should be present. It is quite a complex and

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-23 Thread Vi to
enforceable non-disclosure agreements, >>> even independent of the WMF itself if necessary, to run necessary >>> verification and ensure that the editors are not just vandals or state >>> lobbyists. >>> >>> Lane >>> >>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 at 20:49, Rae Adimer

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-22 Thread Vi to
I'm skeptical about solution #1 (we lack candidates rather than roles) and #3 (without actual data is not possible to find the best solution, yesterday alone I think I wrote 30 times through VRTS "hey, you forgot to turn this VPN off"). Instead, I wholeheartedly endorse improving blocking

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-22 Thread Vi to
Thank you so much Rae. Reading some emails it seems that stewards spend their days trying blocking random people. Vito Il giorno ven 22 apr 2022 alle ore 13:32 Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> ha scritto: > Hi all, > > About unblocking IPs that geolocate to Africa,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-21 Thread Vi to
IPBE for autoconfirmed is a local matter, it would imply that any block (TOR included) will, in practice, almost turn into anon-only. Expiration is an option, as for any global group. Vito Il giorno gio 21 apr 2022 alle ore 19:51 Nathan ha scritto: > How significant is the risk in just

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-20 Thread Vi to
Exactly, cgNAT is a pain. I think we should shorten global block, and turn them into soft blocks for countries where carrier-grade NATs are in use. Then, I don't expect to be hard to tell legit users apart from abusers. Vito Il giorno mer 20 apr 2022 alle ore 23:42 Mario Gómez ha scritto: >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Open proxies and IP blocking

2022-04-20 Thread Vi to
FYI, I've moved this page to the "talk" namespace. Anyway, I've notice this specific kind of proxy block has too many collaterals, so I planned to rise the issue with fellow stewards next weekend. Those blocks will probably end up being handled differently. Vito Il giorno mer 20 apr 2022 alle

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Give WMF feedback on model cards

2022-03-22 Thread Vi to
      Vito Il giorno ven 18 mar 2022 alle ore 19:49 Jonathan Morgan < jonnymorgan@gmail.com> ha scritto: > +1. it’s a great forward-looking move. thanks teams! > > Jonathan > > On Mar 18, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Steven Walling > wrote: > >  > > > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 3:50 PM Hal

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Our World in Data (OWID)

2022-03-02 Thread Vi to
Quite impressive, really. Vito Il giorno mar 1 mar 2022 alle ore 22:53 James Heilman ha scritto: > We at Wiki Project Med are working to get Our World in Data (OWID) working > within a mediawiki environment. > > 1) We have created a mirror of their website on WMF servers >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: "content was" when deleting pages - is it useful?

2022-01-17 Thread Vi to
On it.wiki we removed both this and "the only editor was..." which proved to be misleading for newcomers, e.g. "I don't think that being the sole editor is a valid reason for this deletion". Vito Il giorno lun 17 gen 2022 alle ore 15:19 Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> ha scritto:

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Luis Bitencourt-Emilio Joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2022-01-13 Thread Vi to
I'd generally second this, but honestly a big "it depends" is due. Being an HR manager from Kellog's would be a disqualifying attribute, same for a personal interest in building and using rolling coals. The *Bored Ape Yacht Club *is something more than an incidental interest, but I think the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Luis Bitencourt-Emilio Joins Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2022-01-12 Thread Vi to
OMG. I've just committed a rightclickcide. Vito Il giorno gio 13 gen 2022 alle ore 06:07 Brion Vibber ha scritto: > To make sure, is this the same guy? > > https://twitter.com/luisatlive > > -- brion > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2022, 9:20 AM Nataliia Tymkiv > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> Please join

[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations

2022-01-12 Thread Vi to
Implying the most common cryptos are actually safe by this pont of view. Vito Il giorno mer 12 gen 2022 alle ore 13:37 Nickanc Wikimedia < nickanc.w...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I am honestly shocked about how the whole discussion does not touch the > fact that for many people in many countries

[Wikimedia-l] Re: RfC: Stop accepting cryptocurrency donations

2022-01-10 Thread Vi to
Long overdue! Vito Il giorno mar 11 gen 2022 alle ore 04:25 GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hello all, > > I have created an RfC at Meta to discuss no longer accepting > cryptocurrency donations. You can read the proposal, discuss, and vote at >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

2022-01-08 Thread Vi to
need to embrace it and > to facilitate learning the skills, investing in that learning curve. > > We cant stay where we are, and we cant move forward without bringing the > community along > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2022 at 19:59, Vi to wrote: > >> Just a couple of minutes ago I want

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Are we losing our readers?

2022-01-08 Thread Vi to
Just a couple of minutes ago I wanted to point out while chatting that two (shitty) singers work together because they work for the same major. A bunch of years ago I had to open some Google result to find such info, now I don't. Loss of readers is not bad in itself, it can be if there's a

[Wikimedia-l] Re: 100$ million dollars and still obsolete

2021-10-15 Thread Vi to
Regular contributors experience is quite different from less frequent contributors and (above all) readers. People into user interfaces design surely have a proper word for this, but we're used to a variety of small tricks/habits which are somehow expensive to change. For example, since OOUI's

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Movement Charter Drafting Committee elections are now open!

2021-10-14 Thread Vi to
Exactly this, according to the tool I'm somehow far from Risker but reading her replies I feel quite close. Vito Il giorno gio 14 ott 2021 alle ore 15:38 Risker ha scritto: > Adam, you may find the tool discussed here >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Quick upvoting of statements for the Movement Charter Election Compass until Sunday, Oct 3

2021-09-29 Thread Vi to
There was that fancy series of js buttons for stewards' elections autosaving the vote, I think it will help voting on so many statements. Vito Il giorno mer 29 set 2021 alle ore 16:39 Cornelius Kibelka < ckibelka-...@wikimedia.org> ha scritto: > TL;DR: Upvote your favorite Movement Charter

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-28 Thread Vi to
t; anyway, right? > > It is the imposition of "You will get this whether you like it or not" > which is the problem. > > Todd > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 4:39 AM Vi to wrote: > >> UCOC must surely be ruled out of this list. The reasons behind its >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-28 Thread Vi to
UCOC must surely be ruled out of this list. The reasons behind its creations are indisputable. Anyway donations are collected because of volunteers' work, but should be mainly bound to readers' (donors') will. Vito Il giorno mar 28 set 2021 alle ore 10:19 Todd Allen ha scritto: > It's not

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-26 Thread Vi to
Mentioning the first two points can be either red herring or an interesting digression to read, I'll opt for the second interpretation. The International Committee of the Red Cross had a global budget of $1.6 > billion in 2016. > Quite a rilevant comparison, I'd say. Discussions on this mailing

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-25 Thread Vi to
le is still > not very inviting. > > You repeatedly state that the fundraising message is a lie. It is not, the > facts do not support your notions. > > Fundraisers that lie find that they may gain more money for the moment. In > the long run it is detrimental for the fundraisin

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-25 Thread Vi to
at > to "Wikipedia", I do point out that we need fundraising to stay > independent. > > I do point out that the fundraising message is on point. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Sat, 25 Sept 2021 at 09:12, Vi to wrote: > >> Once again this is not what the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-25 Thread Vi to
t;> me. We are operating one of the biggest websites in the world, it is hugely >>> problematic in that its bias for English prevents us from providing a >>> service that is of the same quality for everyone. The legacy that exists in >>> our code and the rising expectatio

[Wikimedia-l] Re: About raising money

2021-09-24 Thread Vi to
This is exactly the previously mentioned idea of "collect money, then we will find a way to spend it". Instead, we should be honest with donors and volunteers, the urgency portrayed by banners is not true, there's no risk of closing our projects. *Assumes that there is only one project* is true,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-24 Thread Vi to
Wording could had been better, but it's not an attack. Nobody blames fundraising people for their ability, not even the sense of urgency in banners is their fault in absence of an explicit guideline. Andreas pointed out a problem which lies in the performance indicators of fundraising along with

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-24 Thread Vi to
I know the purpose of the endowment, but our fundraising relies upon a sense of urgency which is, simply, fake. It was already not true before, but now that we have a massive endwoment it became even more untrue. I was once told "I see Wikipedia is in a financially dire situation" "heck! where did

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Endowment reaches initial $100 million goal and welcomes new board members

2021-09-23 Thread Vi to
Great now but now... (https://imgflip.com/i/5o0v9y if you don't want to download the attached picture) Vito ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-30 Thread Vi to
I've been involved with hr.wiki case as a steward. I suggested to take a series of quite bold actions but there were reasonable concerns in terms of legitimacy among stewards, there were the ability of smart dudes in the cabal to hijack discussions, there was the reluctance of meta people due to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 257, Issue 1

2021-08-30 Thread Vi to
Given that Hillbillyholiday is moderated biting replies aren't much fair. Vito Il giorno lun 30 ago 2021 alle ore 03:05 Mike Godwin ha scritto: > Someone with the entirely authoritative email address " > hillbillyholi...@gmail.com" writes (apparently under the impression that > I don't know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Flourishing of the Endowment

2021-05-05 Thread Vi to
Sooner or later the increasing uneasiness with the continous call for donations, even if we really don't know how to properly spend them, should be tackled. I think this is probably due to the idea of measuring the performance of people working on this in terms of collected money growth, I feel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COVID-19 second wave and protection of our most valuable movement asset

2021-04-25 Thread Vi to
Choosing to help a certain category (moreover likely to be less exposed than average, moreover scattered across each country) in an overwhelming emergency is both practical infeasible and unethical. Money is probably not the top one need (instead of some specific goods/resources) but we don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is it time for a Global Username Policy that is similar to Global Rename Policy?

2021-03-26 Thread Vi to
Username blacklist has already been global since 2015, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T38939 Vito Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 10:06 William Chan ha scritto: > Hi, > > I have observed that there is a global renaming policy but a global > username policy is absent? As we all know

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Surveys using third party tools on Wikimedia projects

2021-02-28 Thread Vi to
People living in these countries already know which services they can use and which one they shouldn't. We don't actually expose them to threats by, instead, we prevent them from using the feature relying upon these services. Several users probably won't trust these services even if our legal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Vi to
ha scritto: > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to wrote: > > > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). > > For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies. > > My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an > exampl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Vi to
Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). Vito Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

2019-10-07 Thread Vi to
Making their data publicly available? Yiiikes! Vito Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 22:39 Lane Rasberry ha scritto: > Hello, > > I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even > when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in > Wikidata so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

2019-10-03 Thread Vi to
That's the reason why the idea of "reciprocating" via Wikipedia is always wrong. Vito Il giorno gio 3 ott 2019 alle ore 11:27 Antoine Musso ha scritto: > On 01/10/2019 17:46, Samuel Klein wrote: > > From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species > of > > Viola

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Vi to
Putting it simple WMF/functionaries/the community itself should take the less invasive actions needed to protect themselves. A public list of "persona non grata" for events is needed for sure, but I don't see any practical need to have it publicly shared. Vito Il giorno ven 5 lug 2019 alle ore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-18 Thread Vi to
I've never seen a self-citing encyclopedia. Given its open editing structure it would be so easy to game the system by creating a series of cross-references. In short forbidding citing Wikipedia on Wikipedia avoids such short-circuits. No text is 100% accurate, Wikipedia relies upon the bet that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-16 Thread Vi to
Honestly I cannot imagine a functional Wikipedia citing itself. Such Wikipedia would be so easy to trick. Vito Il giorno dom 16 giu 2019 alle ore 16:54 Martijn Hoekstra < martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I disagree that Wikipedia not considering Wikipedia as an admissible source > is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Vi to
I disagree with using this kind of metaphor as long as they imply an overestimation of the importance of the fictional universe we're dealing with. For sanity sake it's always useful to remember this is just "a strange website". Vito Il giorno sab 15 giu 2019 alle ore 21:55 Dennis During ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Vi to
Il giorno sab 15 giu 2019 alle ore 04:32 David Goodman ha scritto: > From my perspective of 4 years on enWP arb com, there is no question that > the enWP does not deal well with routine low-level harassment in the > absence of something really awful. > This happens everywhere, though I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Vi to
Sometimes is hard to tell a harsh dispute from lack of civility. Generally it's easy to focus on form rather than on substance. Some issues are very complex to handle, for example some weeks ago, criticizing someone (who wrote an aggravating email on this thread) brought me to receive some truly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-05 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mer 5 giu 2019 alle ore 12:00 John Erling Blad ha scritto: > > > One reason; reach. > > > > > > > In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is. > > Reach leads to impact. You can't get impact without reach, but reach > in non-scientific communities does not necessarily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-05 Thread Vi to
Thanks anyone of the interesting replies! Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 17:03 John Erling Blad ha scritto: > One reason; reach. > In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is. At nowiki we vere approached some years ago by a > university about publishing cutting edge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
Vito Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman ha scritto: > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. This > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer > reviewed literature. > > J > > On Mon, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects which were eventually defeated by the "no original research" principle. Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, paranormal and Wikimedia user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mar 14 mag 2019 alle ore 15:46 Yann Forget ha scritto: > Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 15:32, Andy Mabbett a > écrit : > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:50, Yann Forget wrote: > > > > > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was > previously > > > published elsewhere before

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Vi to
can apply anytime for that role. Otherwise, render to Caesar the > things that are Caesar's. > > Paulo > > > Vi to escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) > 21:13: > > > Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an > > efficient way.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Vi to
y experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary skills to > deal with copyright. > > Best, > Paulo > > A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to > escreveu: > > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images > on > > comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Vi to
I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. Vito Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman ha scritto: > It is hard to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

2019-04-25 Thread Vi to
Meh, sysops are a mean, not a goal. Bureaucrats even less. On a wiki with just 302 active users according to mediawiki's loose definition of activity this rings me the "bureaucracy explosion" bell. Even with very low activity requirements I wonder how many administrative tasks can be performed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-18 Thread Vi to
Wait, wait. The risk to shut down to get enough consensus to shut down a project with an active community which is not systematically violating any fundamental principle is zero. Vito Il giorno gio 18 apr 2019 alle ore 10:45 Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> ha scritto: > The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 06:16 David Goodman ha scritto: > "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." > > What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is > interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People > choose their own topics. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Vi to
n of topics should not be driven by reader > interests as much as by editor interests. Our purpose is not to practice > our writing skills for our own benefit. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Vi to wrote: > > > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread Vi to
The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  Vito Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hoi, > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

2019-01-14 Thread Vi to
At it.wiki: *copyvios are hidden as soon as they're caught. Also precautionary hiding is frequently used *gross insults in summaries and revs are hidden in a discretionary way *phone numbers and mild leaks are hidden *profanities are always hidden. Suppression is very rarely used, also because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
> > I would suggest Iceland. But there are several other possibilities, Ireland > and New Zealand for starters. > An alternative to be solid should be technically and economically feasible. Ireland may be ok though I suspect is less cheap than Netherlands or Germany, I suspect Iceland is even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
AFAIR CODFW can serve as a complete (tested) backup for EQIAD. If the same would be implemented (though it's not a 5 minutes task) to ESAMS that would be a first step towards a more distributed infrastructure. Vito Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019 alle ore 18:17 Fæ ha scritto: > Dear fellow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
By the way, please do not intervene en masse. They (the user involved) have a strong tendency towards using "colonialism" as a general purpose excuse for their action, as I experienced myself a bunch of months ago, along with a series of references to Italian invasion of Ethiopia. This kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM Vi to wrote: > > > Because of a truly great idea > > < > > > https://am.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Log/block=%E1%8A%A0%E1%89%A3%E1%88%8D%3ATeles > > > > > the involved user's admin/bureaucrat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
Because of a truly great idea the involved user's admin/bureaucrat access was revoked by Marco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-28 Thread Vi to
A quick comment: there are some sympthoms the process is totally broken there. Reasoning about sources works fine when the process works, it's completely useless otherwise. See Dalibor Bosits@hrwiki for example.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-07-22 Thread Vi to
I concur, this seems to be a clear violation of our TOS. Vito 2018-07-22 20:34 GMT+02:00 Mario Gómez : > Actually, it took just a couple of hours to find: > > * Two obvious Go Fish Digital sockpuppets. > * One article with high amount of evidence of COI / paid editing. > * A few other articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

2018-07-10 Thread Vi to
Small wikis are, from this specific security issue, full of risks. I think this element should be taken into account. Restricting css/js editing may be a patch for a short time, but our infrastructure is pretty vulnerable, our users can be injected with malicious js by editing thousands of pages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Vi to
Sorry but historical research is a bit more complex. Primary sources need to be interpreted. For instance, until late XVIII most of records dealt with "firesides" meaning "nuclear family" corresponding to a different population according to time and place. Some trivial information may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Vi to
d fiability. > > As I said, there's an endemic confusion with primary sources in Wikipedia. > > Paulo > > 2018-05-11 22:19 GMT+01:00 Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com>: > > > Policies about primary (en.wiki's one for example > > <https://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Vi to
Policies about primary (en.wiki's one for example ) tell a different story and I, for one, concur with them. An extreme example: Mussolini's speech (primary source) will tell you WWII was caused by the Allies, any history book

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does anyone know what wikimedia france are up to with the Request Network ?

2018-04-27 Thread Vi to
You surely saw the same dudes who sold anything as "Internet of things" a couple of years ago selling the same black boxes as "blockchain" now. I expect these black boxes to be labeled as "enhanced by artificial intelligence" by mid 2019 :D Vito 2018-04-27 20:05 GMT+02:00 David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Vi to
"   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a incircumstantial series of tirades. Vito 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter : > Not just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-08 Thread Vi to
4-08 21:32 GMT+02:00 Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com>: > Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected. > I hope some new group will arise from these ruins. > > Vito > > 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com>: > >> Hello ev

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-08 Thread Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected. I hope some new group will arise from these ruins. Vito 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin : > Hello everyone, > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic > organization, or user group

Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube shooting and risk assessment

2018-04-05 Thread Vi to
I read/receive related craps on a daily basis but it's hard to tell an idiot from a psychopath, so it may become a risk for WMF offices. Vito 2018-04-05 17:33 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

2018-03-01 Thread Vi to
The two cases some referred to https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice and https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bản_mẫu:AdvancedSiteNotices I don't like facebook at all but it's a de facto standard for communication/outreaching. If "official" groups meet a series of requisites. For example

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Vi to
- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Vi to > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:43 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation > > I see Amir's points, which are pretty reasonable, but I fear this would > s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Vi to
t; > > > > > Le 24/02/2018 à 18:08, Vi to a écrit : > > > >> *finally I think paid translators would hardly turn into stable > >> Wikipedians. > >> > >> I think this misses an important point that is, we don't need the > initial > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread Vi to
problem is NOT that minority languages should have articles about > the major cities and important philosophers, *the main problem is that > minor languages can't get started because they lack content*! > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:41 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Vi to
ive speakers of a "bigger" language. Vito 2018-02-24 22:58 GMT+01:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > Seems like this is mostly about cultural ownership and appropriation. Not > sure if it is possible to agree on this. > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:08 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Vi to
I'll reply to the most recent email just for laziness. I'm doubtful for a series of reasons, most of were already expressed in a better way by others: *a remuneration in terms of quantity will weaken the quality of translations unless there's a strong mechanism of quality verification requiring a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-25 Thread Vi to
Legal, and there > may > > be > > > others who have opened their own lines of inquiry. > > > > > > If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, > or > > > if I don't receive one at all, then I plan to set up an RfC about this > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-01 Thread Vi to
I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this. I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock this IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users. Vito 2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W : > I have created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-29 Thread Vi to
I can estimate the number of welcomes I received to roughly 300, most of these languages I cannot even copypaste from. While these messages are useless for sure I don't see any reason to be bothered of them. Vito 2017-12-29 10:25 GMT+01:00 K. Peachey : > Have you asked the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France new Board members

2017-12-10 Thread Vi to
I concur, it's more appropriate to say "good luck" rather than "congrats" ;) Vito 2017-12-10 12:40 GMT+01:00 Frans Grijzenhout : > Hi Nadine, thank you for letting us know that your board is now complete > again. I wish all of you a good term and I hope there is also time to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-04 Thread Vi to
I think Esra’a and the WMF people already took into considerations these risks. Though I fear it's impossible to prevent pictures from "leaking", I trust their judgment on the matter. Since I never attend events I, for one, can do few, apart from supporting any effort to prevent Esra’a's photos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
nd all purposes. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 24 November 2017 at 14:39, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is. > > > > Vito > > > > 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < > > psychosl...@

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
I have to rely upon my knowledge of plans in EU, I may be wrong with other "rich Countries", if so please make me aware of. Time-based tariffs are in "rich countries" are almost out of business. Also data, cheaper data plans currently includes enough data to make surfing WMF sites impact very few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
In most of the "Western" Countries traffic plans for mobile users cannot be significantly affected by traffic towards WMF sites. So WP0 should not be expanded to "the North". I'm actually puzzled by the possibility for providers to ask fees to WMF in order to retain a decent quality of service .

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

2017-11-24 Thread Vi to
Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is. Vito 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > Saluton ĉiuj, > > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : > >> I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the >> community, which is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-06 Thread Vi to
This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends in a "reconciliation". Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission. Vito Mail priva di

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
2017-10-16 20:03 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk : > > > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't. Definitely The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
2017-10-16 18:27 GMT+02:00 Robert Fernandez : > So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite? > I wrote a pretty different thing: those who use label as "sexist" anyone who doesn't *completely* agree with them share a rethorical mean with sexism. > > Some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
> initiative to engage women editors and improve the breadth of coverage of > topics relating to women. > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > +1 to your email Yaroslav. > > > > I'd just underline Gnangarra's orig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
+1 to your email Yaroslav. I'd just underline Gnangarra's original email wasn't sexist, it's so unfair to vilify criticism towards contests as sexism. Vito 2017-10-16 9:33 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter : > My (rejected) message below anyway. > [CUT because of boring filter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Open Foundation West Africa

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
Good neews, I hope they can help with saving WP0 from abusers, as Wikimedia Bangladesh already did. Vito 2017-10-14 14:37 GMT+02:00 Isaac Olatunde : > Good news. Congratulations!! > > Regards, > > > Isaac > > On Oct 14, 2017 12:24 PM, "shola ishola"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-19 Thread Vi to
Caveat: I support a definitely more frugal WMF so also the endowment. Try to read it from a different perspective. Before donating *lots* of money donor wants to be sure WMF will be truly committed in pursuing the plan of an endowment. Putting the same amount of money is a prove, for donors, WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-05 Thread Vi to
By the way a certain degree of accountability is needed. There cannot be any privacy for "wikingers" or people bringing cyberbulling to wiki. Vito 2017-06-06 2:10 GMT+02:00 Risker : > As far as I can tell (and from comments made in the past by actual Tor > users), there is

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