Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Vi to
ha scritto: > On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 20:36, Vi to wrote: > > > > Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). > > For you, maybe. Others have already given helpful replies. > > My question was generic, and not about the specific case I gave as an > exampl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Vi to
Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). Vito Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [LGBT] Best practices for awarding scholarships

2019-10-07 Thread Vi to
Making their data publicly available? Yiiikes! Vito Il giorno lun 7 ott 2019 alle ore 22:39 Lane Rasberry ha scritto: > Hello, > > I have wished that eventually when people apply for scholarships or even > when they attend wiki events they create profiles for themselves in > Wikidata so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Huhall] Viola wikipedia

2019-10-03 Thread Vi to
That's the reason why the idea of "reciprocating" via Wikipedia is always wrong. Vito Il giorno gio 3 ott 2019 alle ore 11:27 Antoine Musso ha scritto: > On 01/10/2019 17:46, Samuel Klein wrote: > > From a Harvard biology list, via my friend Chris: a newly named species > of > > Viola

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Banning real identities

2019-07-05 Thread Vi to
Putting it simple WMF/functionaries/the community itself should take the less invasive actions needed to protect themselves. A public list of "persona non grata" for events is needed for sure, but I don't see any practical need to have it publicly shared. Vito Il giorno ven 5 lug 2019 alle ore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-18 Thread Vi to
I've never seen a self-citing encyclopedia. Given its open editing structure it would be so easy to game the system by creating a series of cross-references. In short forbidding citing Wikipedia on Wikipedia avoids such short-circuits. No text is 100% accurate, Wikipedia relies upon the bet that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation management of volunteers

2019-06-16 Thread Vi to
Honestly I cannot imagine a functional Wikipedia citing itself. Such Wikipedia would be so easy to trick. Vito Il giorno dom 16 giu 2019 alle ore 16:54 Martijn Hoekstra < martijnhoeks...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > I disagree that Wikipedia not considering Wikipedia as an admissible source > is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Vi to
I disagree with using this kind of metaphor as long as they imply an overestimation of the importance of the fictional universe we're dealing with. For sanity sake it's always useful to remember this is just "a strange website". Vito Il giorno sab 15 giu 2019 alle ore 21:55 Dennis During ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Vi to
Il giorno sab 15 giu 2019 alle ore 04:32 David Goodman ha scritto: > From my perspective of 4 years on enWP arb com, there is no question that > the enWP does not deal well with routine low-level harassment in the > absence of something really awful. > This happens everywhere, though I don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Vi to
Sometimes is hard to tell a harsh dispute from lack of civility. Generally it's easy to focus on form rather than on substance. Some issues are very complex to handle, for example some weeks ago, criticizing someone (who wrote an aggravating email on this thread) brought me to receive some truly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-05 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mer 5 giu 2019 alle ore 12:00 John Erling Blad ha scritto: > > > One reason; reach. > > > > > > > In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is. > > Reach leads to impact. You can't get impact without reach, but reach > in non-scientific communities does not necessarily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-05 Thread Vi to
Thanks anyone of the interesting replies! Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 17:03 John Erling Blad ha scritto: > One reason; reach. > In academia reach -per se- is not a big deal, while impact is. At nowiki we vere approached some years ago by a > university about publishing cutting edge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
Vito Il giorno lun 3 giu 2019 alle ore 16:36 James Heilman ha scritto: > The peer review process and the editors of the journals in question. This > is the same mechanism that prevents gibberish from getting into all peer > reviewed literature. > > J > > On Mon, Jun

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournals: A proposal to become a new sister project

2019-06-03 Thread Vi to
In years I've seen countless attempts to put gibberish on our projects which were eventually defeated by the "no original research" principle. Even en.wikiversity struggled with a now banned user (and his friends/enablers) pushing lots of gibberish about cold fusion, paranormal and Wikimedia user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mar 14 mag 2019 alle ore 15:46 Yann Forget ha scritto: > Le mar. 14 mai 2019 à 15:32, Andy Mabbett a > écrit : > > > On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 04:50, Yann Forget wrote: > > > > > Currently, we require a confirmation via OTRS if an image was > previously > > > published elsewhere before

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Vi to
can apply anytime for that role. Otherwise, render to Caesar the > things that are Caesar's. > > Paulo > > > Vi to escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) > 21:13: > > > Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an > > efficient way.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Vi to
y experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary skills to > deal with copyright. > > Best, > Paulo > > A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to > escreveu: > > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images > on > > comm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Vi to
I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. Vito Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman ha scritto: > It is hard to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimediaindia-l] Tamil Wikipedia elects 10 sysops at a time

2019-04-25 Thread Vi to
Meh, sysops are a mean, not a goal. Bureaucrats even less. On a wiki with just 302 active users according to mediawiki's loose definition of activity this rings me the "bureaucracy explosion" bell. Even with very low activity requirements I wonder how many administrative tasks can be performed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-18 Thread Vi to
Wait, wait. The risk to shut down to get enough consensus to shut down a project with an active community which is not systematically violating any fundamental principle is zero. Vito Il giorno gio 18 apr 2019 alle ore 10:45 Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> ha scritto: > The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 06:16 David Goodman ha scritto: > "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." > > What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is > interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People > choose their own topics. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Vi to
n of topics should not be driven by reader > interests as much as by editor interests. Our purpose is not to practice > our writing skills for our own benefit. > > On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Vi to wrote: > > > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread Vi to
The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  Vito Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hoi, > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Hiding versions because of copyright violation

2019-01-14 Thread Vi to
At it.wiki: *copyvios are hidden as soon as they're caught. Also precautionary hiding is frequently used *gross insults in summaries and revs are hidden in a discretionary way *phone numbers and mild leaks are hidden *profanities are always hidden. Suppression is very rarely used, also because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
> > I would suggest Iceland. But there are several other possibilities, Ireland > and New Zealand for starters. > An alternative to be solid should be technically and economically feasible. Ireland may be ok though I suspect is less cheap than Netherlands or Germany, I suspect Iceland is even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] America may go bizarro, but Wikipedia has a choice to make

2019-01-09 Thread Vi to
AFAIR CODFW can serve as a complete (tested) backup for EQIAD. If the same would be implemented (though it's not a 5 minutes task) to ESAMS that would be a first step towards a more distributed infrastructure. Vito Il giorno mar 8 gen 2019 alle ore 18:17 Fæ ha scritto: > Dear fellow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
By the way, please do not intervene en masse. They (the user involved) have a strong tendency towards using "colonialism" as a general purpose excuse for their action, as I experienced myself a bunch of months ago, along with a series of references to Italian invasion of Ethiopia. This kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
> > On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 11:21 AM Vi to wrote: > > > Because of a truly great idea > > < > > > https://am.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%88%8D%E1%8B%A9:Log/block=%E1%8A%A0%E1%89%A3%E1%88%8D%3ATeles > > > > > the involved user's admin/bureaucrat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks which appear to demonstrate prejudice against minorities

2019-01-07 Thread Vi to
Because of a truly great idea the involved user's admin/bureaucrat access was revoked by Marco

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Croatian Wikipedia: persisting far-right bias?

2018-11-28 Thread Vi to
A quick comment: there are some sympthoms the process is totally broken there. Reasoning about sources works fine when the process works, it's completely useless otherwise. See Dalibor Bosits@hrwiki for example.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Inc. working with Go Fish Digital, a company that whitewashes Wikipedia

2018-07-22 Thread Vi to
I concur, this seems to be a clear violation of our TOS. Vito 2018-07-22 20:34 GMT+02:00 Mario Gómez : > Actually, it took just a couple of hours to find: > > * Two obvious Go Fish Digital sockpuppets. > * One article with high amount of evidence of COI / paid editing. > * A few other articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Creation of separate user group for editing sitewide CSS/JS

2018-07-10 Thread Vi to
Small wikis are, from this specific security issue, full of risks. I think this element should be taken into account. Restricting css/js editing may be a patch for a short time, but our infrastructure is pretty vulnerable, our users can be injected with malicious js by editing thousands of pages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-12 Thread Vi to
Sorry but historical research is a bit more complex. Primary sources need to be interpreted. For instance, until late XVIII most of records dealt with "firesides" meaning "nuclear family" corresponding to a different population according to time and place. Some trivial information may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Vi to
d fiability. > > As I said, there's an endemic confusion with primary sources in Wikipedia. > > Paulo > > 2018-05-11 22:19 GMT+01:00 Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com>: > > > Policies about primary (en.wiki's one for example > > <https://en.wikipedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Vi to
Policies about primary (en.wiki's one for example ) tell a different story and I, for one, concur with them. An extreme example: Mussolini's speech (primary source) will tell you WWII was caused by the Allies, any history book

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does anyone know what wikimedia france are up to with the Request Network ?

2018-04-27 Thread Vi to
You surely saw the same dudes who sold anything as "Internet of things" a couple of years ago selling the same black boxes as "blockchain" now. I expect these black boxes to be labeled as "enhanced by artificial intelligence" by mid 2019 :D Vito 2018-04-27 20:05 GMT+02:00 David Gerard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-15 Thread Vi to
"   The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people    " + a winking Baphomet as logo I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a incircumstantial series of tirades. Vito 2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter : > Not just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-08 Thread Vi to
4-08 21:32 GMT+02:00 Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com>: > Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected. > I hope some new group will arise from these ruins. > > Vito > > 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com>: > >> Hello ev

Re: [Wikimedia-l] De-recognition of Wikimedia user groups in Brazil

2018-04-08 Thread Vi to
Sad outcome though fair, reasonable and expected. I hope some new group will arise from these ruins. Vito 2018-04-08 20:19 GMT+02:00 Kirill Lokshin : > Hello everyone, > > Recognition as a Wikimedia movement affiliate — a chapter, thematic > organization, or user group

Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube shooting and risk assessment

2018-04-05 Thread Vi to
I read/receive related craps on a daily basis but it's hard to tell an idiot from a psychopath, so it may become a risk for WMF offices. Vito 2018-04-05 17:33 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About Facebook Linked in some of Wikimedia projects

2018-03-01 Thread Vi to
The two cases some referred to https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice and https://vi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bản_mẫu:AdvancedSiteNotices I don't like facebook at all but it's a de facto standard for communication/outreaching. If "official" groups meet a series of requisites. For example

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Vi to
- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Vi to > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:43 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation > > I see Amir's points, which are pretty reasonable, but I fear this would > s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Vi to
t; > > > > > Le 24/02/2018 à 18:08, Vi to a écrit : > > > >> *finally I think paid translators would hardly turn into stable > >> Wikipedians. > >> > >> I think this misses an important point that is, we don't need the > initial > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-25 Thread Vi to
problem is NOT that minority languages should have articles about > the major cities and important philosophers, *the main problem is that > minor languages can't get started because they lack content*! > > On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 2:41 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Vi to
ive speakers of a "bigger" language. Vito 2018-02-24 22:58 GMT+01:00 John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com>: > Seems like this is mostly about cultural ownership and appropriation. Not > sure if it is possible to agree on this. > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:08 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Vi to
I'll reply to the most recent email just for laziness. I'm doubtful for a series of reasons, most of were already expressed in a better way by others: *a remuneration in terms of quantity will weaken the quality of translations unless there's a strong mechanism of quality verification requiring a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-25 Thread Vi to
Legal, and there > may > > be > > > others who have opened their own lines of inquiry. > > > > > > If I don't receive a reply from WMF Legal that I feel is satisfactory, > or > > > if I don't receive one at all, then I plan to set up an RfC about this > &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2018-01-01 Thread Vi to
I'm scared of the solutions that will "fix" this. I expect something as dramatically useful as the removal of "unblock this IP" button for IPs caught by autoblocks of registered users. Vito 2018-01-01 22:46 GMT+01:00 Pine W : > I have created

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Welcome messages at arwiki

2017-12-29 Thread Vi to
I can estimate the number of welcomes I received to roughly 300, most of these languages I cannot even copypaste from. While these messages are useless for sure I don't see any reason to be bothered of them. Vito 2017-12-29 10:25 GMT+01:00 K. Peachey : > Have you asked the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France new Board members

2017-12-10 Thread Vi to
I concur, it's more appropriate to say "good luck" rather than "congrats" ;) Vito 2017-12-10 12:40 GMT+01:00 Frans Grijzenhout : > Hi Nadine, thank you for letting us know that your board is now complete > again. I wish all of you a good term and I hope there is also time to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Esra’a Al Shafei to Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

2017-12-04 Thread Vi to
I think Esra’a and the WMF people already took into considerations these risks. Though I fear it's impossible to prevent pictures from "leaking", I trust their judgment on the matter. Since I never attend events I, for one, can do few, apart from supporting any effort to prevent Esra’a's photos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
nd all purposes. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 24 November 2017 at 14:39, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is. > > > > Vito > > > > 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < > > psychosl...@

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
I have to rely upon my knowledge of plans in EU, I may be wrong with other "rich Countries", if so please make me aware of. Time-based tariffs are in "rich countries" are almost out of business. Also data, cheaper data plans currently includes enough data to make surfing WMF sites impact very few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-26 Thread Vi to
In most of the "Western" Countries traffic plans for mobile users cannot be significantly affected by traffic towards WMF sites. So WP0 should not be expanded to "the North". I'm actually puzzled by the possibility for providers to ask fees to WMF in order to retain a decent quality of service .

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Legal status of Wikimeida lists [Was: Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR]

2017-11-24 Thread Vi to
Archives are public, so, IMHO, the list is. Vito 2017-11-24 11:11 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: > Saluton ĉiuj, > > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : > >> I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the >> community, which is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia movement under DMCA attack!

2017-11-06 Thread Vi to
This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends in a "reconciliation". Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity mission. Vito Mail priva di

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
2017-10-16 20:03 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk : > > > While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't. Definitely The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are > considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
2017-10-16 18:27 GMT+02:00 Robert Fernandez : > So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite? > I wrote a pretty different thing: those who use label as "sexist" anyone who doesn't *completely* agree with them share a rethorical mean with sexism. > > Some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
> initiative to engage women editors and improve the breadth of coverage of > topics relating to women. > > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:19 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > +1 to your email Yaroslav. > > > > I'd just underline Gnangarra's orig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
+1 to your email Yaroslav. I'd just underline Gnangarra's original email wasn't sexist, it's so unfair to vilify criticism towards contests as sexism. Vito 2017-10-16 9:33 GMT+02:00 Yaroslav Blanter : > My (rejected) message below anyway. > [CUT because of boring filter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Open Foundation West Africa

2017-10-16 Thread Vi to
Good neews, I hope they can help with saving WP0 from abusers, as Wikimedia Bangladesh already did. Vito 2017-10-14 14:37 GMT+02:00 Isaac Olatunde : > Good news. Congratulations!! > > Regards, > > > Isaac > > On Oct 14, 2017 12:24 PM, "shola ishola"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funding the endowment

2017-08-19 Thread Vi to
Caveat: I support a definitely more frugal WMF so also the endowment. Try to read it from a different perspective. Before donating *lots* of money donor wants to be sure WMF will be truly committed in pursuing the plan of an endowment. Putting the same amount of money is a prove, for donors, WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's set up a Tor onion service for Wikipedia

2017-06-05 Thread Vi to
By the way a certain degree of accountability is needed. There cannot be any privacy for "wikingers" or people bringing cyberbulling to wiki. Vito 2017-06-06 2:10 GMT+02:00 Risker : > As far as I can tell (and from comments made in the past by actual Tor > users), there is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-04-25 Thread Vi to
We currently have some mean to fight paid editing, terms of services are "easy to violate" thus giving us a straightforward way to take action. But too often I see something like: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16826370 obvious paid editors left totally free to do their job without even attracting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournal project

2017-03-15 Thread Vi to
I missed your email so I wrote the same thing by mistake, sorry! Vito 2017-03-15 16:26 GMT+01:00 Brad Jorsch (Anomie) : > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Felipe Schenone > wrote: > > > If we migrate the content we currently have (on Meta and > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiJournal project

2017-03-15 Thread Vi to
You can think about relying upon WMF OAuth to login to wikijournal. Basically anyone would be able to login to wikijournal using their WMF wikis' credentials. If you make this the sole way to login you'll end up having an already-ready-to-merge userbase. Vito 2017-03-15 20:44 GMT+01:00 Felipe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] More politics: "WMF Annual Report"

2017-03-02 Thread Vi to
In short, wiki projects existence itself is a political act. Furthermore, it's a "liberal" (in wide sense) political act: you may attribute values as free and universal access to knowledge to various political factions, but these values are the founding principle of this virtual place. Also, even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-02-26 Thread Vi to
I think methodological objections shouldn't prevail over substantial objections. I can agree most of consensus in CoC draft came from WMF staffers/contractors, but: *no one was prevented from weighing-in *lists were filled with invitations to weigh-in *I think most of us didn't comment just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Blocks of new accounts in Angola?

2017-02-22 Thread Vi to
Yep, none of them implied massive and preventive blocks. There's something broken needing further investigations then. Vito 2017-02-22 16:17 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter : > Did not we have some mass vandalism from Angola some time ago, and then > measures had to be taken? I do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread Vi to
as already expressed trust in. > > On 18 February 2017 at 22:15, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > AffCom has nothing to do with this kind of issue, most of projects have > no > > arbcoms, Finally, anyone would appeal, turning WMF-issued ban into a [how >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-18 Thread Vi to
AffCom has nothing to do with this kind of issue, most of projects have no arbcoms, Finally, anyone would appeal, turning WMF-issued ban into a [how to call this group?]-issued ban. Vito 2017-02-18 15:05 GMT+01:00 Olatunde Isaac : > Gnangarra raised some valid and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Vi to
2017-02-16 5:57 GMT+01:00 Pine W : > Hi Fae, > > A few points: > > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Niels Christian Nielsen appointed to Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

2017-02-13 Thread Vi to
I find all of these to be deeply non relevant. Though they might be relevant according to standard en.wiki practice, I wonder whatever someone would had written a line about a to-be-created relatively small endowment of a website(s) or people managing it, unless it was "our" website(s). Also I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for your service, Wikimedia Hong Kong

2017-02-08 Thread Vi to
Just a question: can a former chapter reapply for recognition? Vito 2017-02-08 16:13 GMT+01:00 Lodewijk : > As the chapter status of Wikimedia Hong Kong has come to an end, I would > like to thank the volunteers at Wikimedia Hong Kong for their incredible > work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Concerns in general

2017-01-28 Thread Vi to
Actually some parties might bring EU to low standards of freedom of expression. For what concerns Wikimedia, I fear more lobbying about copyright related legislation or about net neutrality than USA turning into a dictatorship. I'm not afraid of a complete service disruption but instead of things

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

2017-01-06 Thread Vi to
I've just crossed https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Paulinapaulina3030 but I must confess I won't do anything out of the wiki (it.wiki) where I am a local sysop. Catching crosswiki paid editing is the most frustrating activity ever, a couple of years ago I wasted two months in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Vi to
I see, thank you for your explanation, coming from a civil law system it sounds pretty weird. Anyway I concur, it's pure madness and some action must be taken. Vito 2016-12-19 19:46 GMT+01:00 geni <geni...@gmail.com>: > On 19 December 2016 at 18:38, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com&g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Music industry threats to safe harbor?

2016-12-19 Thread Vi to
I wouldn't call DMCA safe harbor(s) "how Wikipedia is allowed to exist". At a glance I'd say it would (at worst) impact on some (most) wikis way to handle copyvios/the thin red line around fair-use, but most of our ecosystem shouldn't be affected. So, what am I missing? Vito 2016-12-19 17:45

Re: [Wikimedia-l] investments still poor; return improved +0.3% to 1.5%

2016-12-12 Thread Vi to
10% would imply a pretty high risk or a strategy which is not compatible WMF's values. 3-4% would balance risks with profits, there are pretty safe senior bonds with a 2-3% yield which could balance some less-than-best rated bond giving up to 6%. Anyway WMF's mission imply low risks in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

2016-11-21 Thread Vi to
an Raddatz <ajradd...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Similar to Vito, the safe space/code of conduct crowd has never > > demonstrated that any of these principles are not already held and > enforced > > across our projects. > > > > Adrian Raddatz > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

2016-11-20 Thread Vi to
Same here, ofc. I still cannot understand how there could be online communities refusing these very basic principles. Vito 2016-11-21 0:57 GMT+01:00 Alex Monk : > On 20 November 2016 at 13:35, Jonathan Cardy > wrote: > > > > The nastiest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-12 Thread Vi to
r less the same' with regards to fighting vandalism and sockpuppetry. > And answering that question would start with describing how we actually do > make use of this data. Sounds like a good process to go through, but this > puts more emphasis on 2). > > Lodewijk > > 2016-11-12 21:36 GMT

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be better?

2016-11-12 Thread Vi to
personal information like this is handled by WMF implemented > software. It could even be an area that requires legally meaningful > assurance, or local processing to avoid, say, Europeans sending any > personal data to the USA. ;-) > > Fae > > On 12 November 2016 at 13:53, V

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How should security of Wikimedia accounts be better?

2016-11-12 Thread Vi to
My phone number is something I consider highly sensitive. Linking this kind of data to my online identity would be an unacceptable risk for me. Vito 2016-11-12 13:37 GMT+01:00 Amir Ladsgroup : > As far as I know 2FA is already implemented and mandatory for WMF staff >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

2016-10-18 Thread Vi to
We can share knowledge without meetings, we cannot share knowledge without our community. If some of our community cannot be safe well...who cares of meetings then? Vito 2016-10-18 15:26 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > For me safety is to a large extend secondary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

2016-10-18 Thread Vi to
IMHO we should divide criteria into two categories, reflecting two different kind of issue: *someone *cannot* partecipate because of a certain issue -> the proposal is rejected *someone may not feel comfortable in partecipating -> the proposal is somehow penalized In other words, if LGBT people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF C level hiring and retention

2016-08-14 Thread Vi to
+1 on train & promote. Vito 2016-08-14 4:38 GMT+02:00 James Heilman : > Only the CTO position is empty. All of the rest are filled with very > competent interims who may simply be transitioned into permanent. I like it > that people who prove themselves to be excellent can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

2016-06-26 Thread Vi to
My activity at en.wiki only deals with crosswiki abuse and lta "management". So don't be afraid of me but frainkly I don't find your startup incubator to be notable. In other words I don't find it to be something I expect to find on an encyclopedia. Vito 2016-06-26 9:57 GMT+02:00 Mitar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

2016-06-25 Thread Vi to
As a deletion I'd say we totally lost at en.wiki, we can maybe tie on other wikis. Life is never B/W, grey is everywhere. Vito 2016-06-25 12:18 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > The English deletionists may be winning. Thank (include your deity) for > Wikidata. We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The end

2016-05-17 Thread Vi to
I'm not a regular at the English Wikipedia so I don't have any background about what did happen to you. I spend a fair amount of my spare time editing wikis but fuck off the wiki, it's just a virtual world. All this happened to your virtual identity not to you! Vito 2016-05-17 14:44 GMT+02:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What New Thing is WMF Doing w. Cookies, & Why is Legal Involved?

2016-05-01 Thread Vi to
Edits didn't affect the content of the policy actually. Also a cookie policy is essentially a legal stuff, I'd be surprised to *don't *see the legal team editing it. As a "sockpuppet investigator" I never rely upon cookies, I prefer fingerprints and social security numbers. Vito 2016-05-01

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-24 Thread Vi to
It's ordinary countervandalism, honestly I cannot find anything questionable but maybe a missed something. Vito 2016-03-24 9:04 GMT+01:00 David Emrany : > Dear Gerard > > Correspondingly, what I find unconscionable for us is that a small > group of Commons editors

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-23 Thread Vi to
Personally I'd say "it's 100% wrong" but "not 100% to blame". I've just made https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T130761 IMHO we need to address the problem form a technical point of view, implicitly discarding "block'em all" options. Vito 2016-03-23 19:42 GMT+01:00 Keegan Peterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-21 Thread Vi to
Above all hosting a shop means: *production on demand: no "risks" but products become more expensive and slow to deliver *warehousing: means immobilizing a certain amount of money at the risk to accumulate unsold items. IMHO an internal shop would be justified by turnover at least 10 times greater

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

2016-03-14 Thread Vi to
Oh I missed dates, this is a good point then. Ignoring a wide community consensus is *always* a mistake. Final decisions might even diverge from consensus but *ignoring* is the worst way. Vito 2016-03-14 21:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel : > That's a good point. I've started a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

2016-03-14 Thread Vi to
Same with consensus from logged-out users to implement MV. I have no strong feelings about the issue (anons shouldn't be affected by MV side effects but also MV is almost useless on Commons) but well, consensus cannot be ignored. Vito 2016-03-14 15:28 GMT+01:00 Marc A. Pelletier

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The right time is now!

2016-02-25 Thread Vi to
2016-02-25 23:34 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic : > I stopped responding to other emails because the significance of this > moment is so large, that we have now we didn't have since the > beginnings of Wikipedia. > > We've got the chance to rebuild the movement. > I was about to write

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you for our time together.

2016-02-25 Thread Vi to
Maybe I'm too far from the relevant stuffs but I feel like it was your (implicit) mandate to be proven wrong. There's a series of far deeper flaws within our ecosystem arising anytime it is under pressure. The biggest one is having a Board which is sometimes supposed to direct, sometimes to