Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

2015-11-27 Thread Wil Sinclair
Gergo, do you mind if people continue discussing this? I'm finding it very interesting and fruitful. I hadn't thought through these issues before, and there are likely to be others on this list who haven't either. Best! ,Wil On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Gergo Tisza

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
Actually, as an employee of the WMF, Asaf may be able to contribute here. Asaf, this is an issue that you feel the organization you that pays you to help fulfill its mission must address. How are you going to lead within the WMF to make sure it gets addressed? Best. ,Wil On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2015-11-19 Thread Wil Sinclair
the ush. Thanks for bringing me up, MZMcBride; should get a lot more people to look at those IRC logs I was hoping to bring to everyone's attention. Best! ,Wil On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 4:28 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote: > Wil Sinclair wrote: > >With all due respect, no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Most obnoxious banner yet

2015-01-12 Thread Wil Sinclair
I think it's a matter of common sense that we shouldn't ask for more money unless we can credibly demonstrate with stuff like success metrics and improving trends that we can spend the money we've already been given effectively. Risker's comments made me wonder, however, about the more specific

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Placebook Wiki Project Proposal

2014-12-10 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'd like to know more about the proposal; is there a page on Meta that describes it in more detail? Specifically, I'd like to know: * You mention platform. Are you proposing a new top-level wiki project that would require critical mass to succeed? * Wouldn't this be a good fit for additions to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cryonics

2014-10-15 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hmmm. James and Liam just put a smile on my face, and honestly, if we're going to have off-topic discussions here, I prefer these over intra-community flame wars any day. James, it may not be appreciated- or appropriate, actually- on wikimedia-l, but I would love it if you put an op-ed making

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Damon Sicore joins WMF as Vice President of Engineering

2014-09-30 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Damon, looking forward to meeting you. I'd like to welcome you not only to WMF, but to the wikimedia-l list. I encourage you to join the discussions here, even if you feel like you don't have the deep expertise and broad community context that a lot of the big shots who post here may have. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Lighter Side of the Movement

2014-09-17 Thread Wil Sinclair
Yeah, uncyclopedia is a good suggestion for one possible form of content, but what I'm talking about is really much more about having a good time onwiki by poking fun at ourselves and putting things in to perspective. Someone sent me a link to this project privately:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Lighter Side of the Movement

2014-09-17 Thread Wil Sinclair
to this audience. Thanks. ,Wil On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 6:19 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Wil Sinclair wrote: I'm wondering if there is place where the lighter side of individual Wikimedians and our movement can be shown front and center. What I'm talking about would leave

[Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Blogs

2014-09-17 Thread Wil Sinclair
Legoktm just reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask for a while. I like to keep up-to-date with blogs that feature discussions about Wikipedia. What I've found so far I've kept track of by following with my own blog. If you care enough to google it, keep in mind that I'm the guy who

[Wikimedia-l] The Lighter Side of the Movement

2014-09-16 Thread Wil Sinclair
Howdy all, One thing I've noticed in my short time as an active part of our community is that the more welcoming and likable aspects of our individual personalities aren't reflect in our most public conversations. For example, if a new editor went by this forum alone, we might come off as taking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-12 Thread Wil Sinclair
Actually, I'd like to speak up on the name. I imagine the name reflected the enthusiasm of its first attendees, but Wikimania has all the wrong connotations in today's world. True mania is marked by little control, commitment, and rest. It also implies that attendees have to be dyed-in-the-wool,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Wil Sinclair
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, Asap stands for as soon as possible. It is obvious that there I do not like the talk pages at all. That does not mean that it makes sense to replace them tomorrow. I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-10 Thread Wil Sinclair
Tim, do you think that this list of all the useful stuff that talk pages can currently includes things that aren't being done because they are too advanced for newbie editors or too inconvenient for veterans? Regardless, you make a strong argument for keeping a meta-document that spans threads

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-09 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Pete. I agree that the app could do more to explain to the user what is appropriate for commons. And I'd hate to see this app sunsetted, because it makes it very convenient to snap pictures and upload them in a few gestures. A couple of questions, tho: * Pete, there's already a tour when you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-09 Thread Wil Sinclair
I don't know how many people here remember their first discussion on WP, but I do. Probably because it was less than 6 months ago. :) My first impression was you have got to be kidding me. I was annoyed I had to learn a new markup dialect, but that didn't deter me. Since I had some experience

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open call for Individual Engagement Grant proposals

2014-09-09 Thread Wil Sinclair
Where is it failing for you? The popup form works for me on both Safari and Chrome on OSX 10.8.5. I didn't go through the whole wizard, tho, because I didn't want to add dummy data to the database. ,Wil On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Nasir Khan nasir8...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Siko, Create a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
Your suggestion is to be dismissed with prejudice because it is so obviously wrong in so many ways.. I do not care about a possible potential of a broken system at all I may want to think about features that are actively used in this broken system. Thanks, GerardM I won't be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
Let me begin with this: my preferences lie far closer to yours, Gerard, than Diego's. I believe that we have a document oriented system that works well for stuff like encyclopedic content. But I think that we should be conducting our discussions in a discussion oriented system. That doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Endless drama around solutions to non-problems as misdirection

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
The way I see it, there is something each and every one of us can do to help with attrition right now with no interference from or dependencies on anyone else. We can treat each other with the respect that we all deserve. Before hitting send or Save Page, we can ask ourselves if we've said what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
I composed the following as part of a longer message, but I decided not to send it unless others were having similar issues since I'm on track to exceed my monthly allowance of posts here ;): There's one thing in this discussion that troubles me greatly. We've got a treasure trove of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
: if the user accepts reporting, you should really report the issue without asking to enter a mail or some information the user does not know. I am fine playing a guinea pig if it is useful, but here I can't even report anything. Regards, Yann 2014-09-07 11:15 GMT+05:30 Wil Sinclair w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback with Android on Commons

2014-09-06 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Yann, most of the issues you're describing sound like straight-up bugs. When it comes to Android, it helps to know about issues that affect some models but may not come up on the model/version that the developer is using for testing. I think it's safe to say that the S4 is a '''must work'''

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a chance to rollout Flow the right way. There are some questions that come to mind that might tell us if we're headed for a big win or a bigger debacle: 1) Is the WMF working with the community as closely and substantially as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Andreas, what would you do process-wise from the perspective of the WMF and/or the broader community to improve communication and its impact on development of Flow? ,Wil On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the term loop is appropriate. So far, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
Interesting. What I'm noticing in both this discussion and the discussions around MV is that a lot of us think that the solution has value, but the features are not prioritized well. I don't have much experience with Trello, but I know of lots of other tools (Bugzilla is one, I believe) that can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
with no apparent saving graces other than the fact that the old software is old and the new software will be new and that things will look nice. If this is done wrong, it will be a catastrophe for WMF far bigger than what happened with VE. Wil Sinclair, an enthusiast for the LiquidThreads/Flow mechanism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
the ingredients to make a chocolate cake with the hope that it will be a suitable replacement for vegetable stew. Risker/Anne On 5 September 2014 13:29, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: This somewhat circuitously brings us back to the subject. We have a chance to rollout Flow the right way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread Wil Sinclair
tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who wants to help with fixing them? I want to help fix them. I hope we can, for the coming period, accomplish the following: * Catalog the problems with templates. Make a comprehensive list that enumerates the problems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-03 Thread Wil Sinclair
up for this discussion and where, and I'll make sure it gets done. ,Wil On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps regarding WMF-community disputes about deployments

2014-09-03 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hoi, Maybe... but it assumes that we have plenty of time and work sequently. Both are not the case and as it is, the framework is broken.to the extend that people refuse to use it. So yes, ideally you want to fix many issues nicely and in a collaborative manner. At the same time our readers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recruiting for Wikimedia security newsletter

2014-08-19 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Pine, I'd love to contribute. I'll mail you offlist about that, but I have a few general questions that others may be wondering about. Would this be similar to one of these newsletters? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletters#List_of_newsletters If so, from your list of topics it sounds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Offwiki

2014-07-13 Thread Wil Sinclair
We have had a number (not enough!) of Wikimedia (usually Wikipedia, and typically English Wikipedia) discussion sites, but has there been any previous ones that have used mediawiki? That is, other than Meta.. ? I can't answer your question about previous sites, but I can tell you that the

[Wikimedia-l] Do Over

2014-07-12 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi all, I'd like to try participating on this list again. Now that there's much more context about me with respect to Wikimedia projects, I'd appreciate a chance to re-introduce myself: Hi, I'm Wil Sinclair. Strictly speaking, I've been a Wikipedian for 7 years, but I've been an active Wikipedian

[Wikimedia-l] Offwiki

2014-07-09 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi all, I've started a new wiki called Offwiki: http://offwiki.org. Our community discusses potential changes to Wikipedia and its Wikimedia sister projects that aren't easily discussed in forums like this mailing list. We also try new ideas that we hope will be adopted on-wiki- both social and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-29 Thread Wil Sinclair
AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: As I mentioned to Sam, I have just one more thing to say here before I let you guys deliberate on whether to block me. I've been getting tons of private emails from people who say that they don't want to see me blocked, but that they are afraid to say

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I think I make it quite clear why I won't engage with WMF employees going forward: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14t=4680start=150. To be sure, I'm not used to having anyone from Lila's team immediately emailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you're talking about the message left on Oliver's talk page, it was a threat by a banned user which included reference to a dream about him where knees were nailed to the floor from the back and other such lovely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
deleted anything on that page, ever. This is information you can check for yourself instead of relying on the words of others. Risker On 28 May 2014 12:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Hi Fae, if you're referring to the discussion on this page, then I think I make it quite clear why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: A slight correction: the revision was rev-deleted by a member of the community - a member of ArbCom, in fact - and not an employee of the Foundation. Snt frm m Phn On May 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Wil Sinclair w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
or not someone is WMF staff. Risker [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Overview On 28 May 2014 13:07, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
:23 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted the following to Wikipediocracy a few minutes ago

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
? Are they right? ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. I posted

[Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people on this list don't want anyone to discuss, so here are the two examples that I'm most interested in: Child Protection- I'd like to hear about ways that policy might be changed here to better protect children, especially given some of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Molly White gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes: Thanks, I wasn't aware I could do this. I'm assuming that it would be obvious who was an employee at Wikimedia in the log, too. Indeed you can. If you navigate to https

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Ah, this segues well into the email I was just drafting: I have to say that I was surprised to see the contents of what appears to be an internal staff email being brought up both on Wikipediocracy and here by a non-staff member. Wil, can you clarify if you were copied on the email, and if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Sorry, the n00b has to step in with a couple of clarifications. :) I was asking about 2 separate issues, so no conflation there. Also I asked very carefully for *all* sides of the issues: Now, I'll just sit back and hear all sides of the story. All right, back on topic! :) ,Wil On Wed, May 28,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
with everything Greg says, just that I personally am glad someone is saying it. He added *Wil Sinclair*, Partner of Lila Tretikov (Wikimedia Foundation executive director); I'd prefer he just leave it at Wil Sinclair, but it's really his call on what he puts on his own site. Now, I don't know what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
that he's a very intelligent and eloquent individual with a knack for investigative reporting. He holds WP and the WMF to their word, and I personally thank him for that.* - *Wil Sinclair*, Partner of Lila Tretikov (Wikimedia Foundation executive director) - May 22, 2014 Thanks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
you were appropriately advised, considering her critical role in the Wikimedia movement. Fae On 28 May 2014 23:18, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia. In fact, his article was the first

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
is that the foundation tends to let the community do what it wants, and it would be against that long-standing tradition for staff to try to force a change in the community. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
good judgement in failing to ensure you were appropriately advised, considering her critical role in the Wikimedia movement. Fae On 28 May 2014 23:18, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
at 3:45 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: l: I don't know the first thing about the alleged safety concerns discussed on IRC, but the following quote is troubling to me: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: She replied a WMF employee emailed me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Someone already mentioned me on his talk page, and I responded. Please do paste that quote there if you think he'd be interested in it. I know he and Greg have disagreed in the past; he may offer me a different perspective on the matter. I'm interested in everyone's perspective. ,Wil On Wed, May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
the community of the wikis, I'm just saying that it wouldn't really be kosher according to our current practices. On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Yes, we did talk on IRC. But what are you referring to? I wasn't referring to you anywhere. I don't even remember talking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
this to you, and I promise the last thing I desire is to shut you up - you're just currently running through a minefield with no map, and it would be much better if you had a map before continuing. Kevin Gorman On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: You *can't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hi Erik, just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to those who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words directly? You guys are moving in a *very* sketchy direction here. These mails are archived; it will be quite clear what everyone said before I was blocked if

[Wikimedia-l] Blocking Wil from this List

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'm starting a thread with the correct title, so that everyone knows that we're discussing whether I should be banned and for what reasons. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
groups? I'd especially like to hear about this from a female perspective. Thanks. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Martijn asked me which things I thought that some people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
requests to slow down. Erik Moeller writes: As a reminder, this list has an official soft limit of 30 posts per [month] Wil Sinclair writes: just for guidance here- should I not publicly respond to those who have publicly address me or talked about my actions or words I find it helpful to quote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A personal note.

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
for suggestion; reckless, if you would. Please be kind. As you can see from the comments of others, there is no such consensus, mainly just requests to slow down. Erik Moeller writes: As a reminder, this list has an official soft limit of 30 posts per [month] Wil Sinclair writes: just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an unsafe environment? Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. *No wonder people are afraid to post here!* ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 May

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
. Newyorkbrad/IBM On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am I making an unsafe environment? Those are some *very* serious charges. I'm really just stunned. *No wonder people are afraid to post here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
Ah. You mean the edit that I didn't write, I didn't post to IRC, and I've never actually seen. Got it. ,Wil On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Molly White gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Wil Sinclair wllm@... writes: What??? What talk page are you talking about? How in the world am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy

2014-05-28 Thread Wil Sinclair
, she is instead trying to deal with the fallout of her life partner creating havoc amongst her staff and the volunteers who contribute to the projects for which she will be imminently responsible for. That's sad beyond words. Risker On 28 May 2014 23:54, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-25 Thread Wil Sinclair
*ding don* false dichotomy bell rings: why are so many discussing about wiki stuff on Facebook? Or in person with their family? Or or or or or? Besides knowing for a fact that we're not discussing anything like this in our family for obvious reasons, I don't know whether they are being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-25 Thread Wil Sinclair
On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 25, 2014 at 12:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The main thing to keep in mind is that, even when the community members are being INFURIATING IDIOTS (and almost certainly considering you an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
Ha! Awesome stuff. I wish I could find the one of CJ telling Will that his one and only task is to never let the press corps see that they've gotten under his skin... Hi Pete. What are you referring to here? Thanks. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
of hope that she can chart a better course through the crippling dynamics of the last couple years. Pete On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has held one of the most public position

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
I just ask for a chance to show you guys that I can be a productive member of the WP community in my own way as myself and nobody else. Fae, will you please give me that chance? ... Sure. Give me a link to some articles on the English Wikipedia you have created, at least one being a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
Hey what happened to disclaiming any relevant link between the two of you? Not exactly consistent with you canvasing for an apology on her behalf. Of course it is somewhat alarming that you are suggesting that our new ED can't handle robust criticism but I personally prefer to trust the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
Craig, I was trying to be kind. If you consider that a threat, then I apologize to you, Pete, and the whole list. I think at this point words have served us about as well as they ever will. Some of you don't like the fact that I've participated on Wikipediocracy. Others are uncomfortable because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
So perhaps you can understand why you emerging from WO with questions about child protection rang all sort of alarm bells. You didn't look like you were genuinely curious but as though you were simply aping one of their calls for war. Coming from most anyone else, it'd have been dismissed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
I don't know about any specific incidents Newyorkbrad has referred to below, but I generally agree with his characterization of the site. I've told them exactly what I think of the nature of some discourse there when I started this thread: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=4527.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-24 Thread Wil Sinclair
Wil, I've been here ten years and I can't usefully answer your question what's going on? in a sentence (or a paragraph or an essay). You can only learn by participating. You can learn some things by reading all the justifiably-banned users have to say, but I'm not sure they're things that

[Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 19:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? No. The meta policy at https://meta.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Wil, no need to apologize -- nobody accused you of doing anything wrong, just pointed out the likely consequences of certain approaches. But I do think it's very likely that, given your strong connection to the Wikimedia Foundation, your choice to engage extensively at the Wikipediaocracy site

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Then stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of this mailing list. -- geni Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind of thing a newbie like me could use. Also, thanks for the link; I'll read

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
OK, can you explain why you participate on Wikipediocracy? Thanks, Edward! I was starting to worry that no one would ask. I participate on WO because I think every voice deserves to be heard. And I will go wherever people feel comfortable speaking freely to hear them. Some of us feel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Not really. Generally people are concerned about a) giving legitimacy to an organised group for consensus manipulation, ad hominem attacks and harassment of wikimedian; 2) getting distracted by hypothetically legitimate but secondary or irrelevant issues. Nemo Hi Nemo, thanks for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
I figure since you're new it bears repeating: Wikipediocracy isn't really the go-to general purpose discussion forum for Wikipedia. Wikipedia itself is the place contributors in good standing talk about the future of the project. Wikipediocracy is where people go to gossip and troll,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'm not against anyone participating in any site that criticizes or mocks Wikipedia or the WMF. But I do get the sense that Wil is jumping into his wife's new territory with both feet, and not necessarily taking the ginger approach to the most controversial issues that have confronted the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
Doesn't it strike you as odd that the question came from an active wikipediocracy memeber? Honestly, I hadn't thought about it. I'm much more interested in the question that who asked it. You know where 4chan is I assume. No, actually. Can you tell me? What is it? Again you cite free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'm going to give you a serious piece of advice here as someone who has held one of the most public position of authority on the English Wikipedia (the scare quotes are quite on purpose, ask me about them some day). Thanks. I appreciate any advice. Wikipedia Review and its successor WO are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Participating on Wikipediocracy

2014-05-23 Thread Wil Sinclair
From the interactions I've observed, you (Wil) are too smart to be doing what you're doing, which makes some of your behavior all the more worrying. Thanks! You're willfully ignoring the consequences (real and potential) of your actions. I'm worried about what it says when you have 18 posts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-13 Thread Wil Sinclair
I don't think it's a secret that I've also been active on the Wikipediocracy forums. I've seen some rough stuff over there, and I've even started a thread lecturing them on the nature of their discourse: http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13t=4527 That said, I haven't seen anyone on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] general strategic goals

2014-05-11 Thread Wil Sinclair
One of the tricks about using metrics to make decisions is that many metrics are more or less easily manipulated to affect the decisions themselves. It's a sort of social version of the Uncertainty principle, and the uncertainty in this case would be the integrity of the metrics. That's not to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-08 Thread Wil Sinclair
Maybe the name of the thread should be changed, then. ,Wil On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 May 2014 17:42, edward edw...@logicmuseum.com wrote: Geni: You seem to think its straightforward. If you think that you should be able to propose a study

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'm a total newb here, and I know the grant system between WMF and the different chapters has been debated in the past. But I have a simple question: if WMF is funding these efforts through grants and the grant money is used to review and/or manage content, wouldn't it be indirectly getting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
I looked at WMF's grant page here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants. I don't see any mention of grants for academic research. Does the WMF give such grants? If not, why not? ,Wil On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Thyge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Metrics - accuracy of Wikipedia articles

2014-05-07 Thread Wil Sinclair
Would it be possible for WMF or another organization to initiate and potentially fund a project modeled on the Human Genome Project? That is, WMF or some other institution could host a large database of data that researchers can contribute to and that makes all the data available for researchers

[Wikimedia-l] Howdy from Wil

2014-05-05 Thread Wil Sinclair
I'm Wil Sinclair, Lila Tretikov's significant other. I've always wanted a good excuse to get involved in the Wikipedia project and the Wikipedia community. Lila's appointment would be about as good as it gets. :) I'm looking forward to getting to know everyone and understanding more about what