The chat function on YouTube is turned off, I don't know whether that
is by purpose or by accident.
Am Do., 15. Okt. 2020 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Chris Koerner
> Hello all,
> Just a reminder that this event happens in about an hour and a half
> from now. I hope you can
I don't know whether I am the only one with this problem, but when I
tried to enter the room, my computer crashed. It happened with three
Am Di., 15. Sept. 2020 um 10:58 Uhr schrieb Asaf Bartov :
> Dear Wikimedians,
> I have posted the digest for
Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta
> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I have
> a deeply flawed understanding of civility?
Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might
theoretically be the case, at least
All the best to the people involved, it is an important endeavour.
Of course, we are all curious about results.
Am Do., 30. Juli 2020 um 19:49 Uhr schrieb Christel Steigenberger
> Hello everyone,
> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
Thank you for the link, Erik, I am going to read Pete Forsyth‘s text
carefully. My thinking about the module was influenced by some WMD
publications, by Till Kreutzer and also this one:
So I learned
Thanks for the link, Ciell, I easily get confused about time zones.
I am looking forward to attend on June 4th, if it is possible for me.
Am Fr., 29. Mai 2020 um 20:20 Uhr schrieb Ciell Wikipedia <
> This will be very interesting, thank you Maggie.
Hello people, thanks for the reactions!
I actually did not mean conservative in a strict political sense, and I am
a big fan of Reagle's book. It seems to me
that some people in the movement identify strongly with the (political)
term "progressive", and, depending on their personal
Some time ago, Joseph Reagle wrote that an encyclopedia must be
progressive. In my personal view, something "progressive" sounds to me
intuitively more sympathetic than something "conservative". But of course,
these are only two words loaden with meaning, and reality is always more
Thank you for your post and its insight. I recognized the same with me: I
only make use of Wikimedia Commons in lessons if I have enough time. Also I
would introduce it only to students with a solid knowledge of English.
Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
schrieb am Mo. 18.
I would like to support Roland's and other's remarks that Wikimedia Commons
has some serious problems and needs improvement in many ways. Some of these
problems are very difficult to overcome, such as a better, multilingual
search because we don't have all the necessary meta data.
I totally agree with you, Shlomi.
Am So., 26. Apr. 2020 um 17:02 Uhr schrieb Shlomi Fish <
> Hi Rebecca and all,
> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100
> "Rebecca O'Neill" wrote:
> > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses
this is about different things. One is an opinion about Earth Day, one is
an opinion about the organization behind a specific event, and one is an
opinion about whether the WMF should link to this specific event.
For example, I am not against protecting the climate. I might have some
I can confirm that I see the same also here in the Netherlands. Which is
strange, there are no general elections here before 2021...
An explanation about this link would be interesting.
Am Mi., 22. Apr. 2020 um 22:50 Uhr schrieb Yair Rand :
> The WMF corporate site
Thank you for your well written piece with some very intriguing ideas. I
have read most of it, and I must confess that I have not fully understand
everything about keys and contractors. Maybe I am not exactly the target
I found it very sympathetic to read your own scepticisms,
Thank you for the information. It was not quite a surprise, as we did not
hear much of Space in the last time, and I must confess myself that I only
used it in the iniatial phase and somewhat later. I feel sorry for those
who invested time and energy in it.
I am interested in a
I strongly agree with what Chris wrote.
In the Strategy discussions, I have experienced and witnessed several times
that defenders of the "strategy synthesis/recommendations" do not want to
talk about an issue. They say things like:
* "this feels like défa vu"
* "you are not constructive"
Yes, thank you Andrew, that was actually what I was looking for. It is
simply very difficult e.g. to search for a sentence that somebody quoted
when the text is shattered over several pages and then with parts hidden as
"collapsable". (I do not blame or criticise somebody for that, it is just
ers have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any
> > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as
> > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change.
> > Fae
> > On Tue, 21 Jan
We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going
to let the communities vote on the recommendations.
Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39
Thank you for the update, Nicole.
Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 15:44 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky <
> Yaroslav, the recommendations have always come with the caveat that the
> actual implementation depends on the communities implementing them
Hello Phoebe, thank you for the good news. We invest so much in our
conferences, that it is a pity that they often are not recorded.
Am Do., 7. Nov. 2019 um 20:31 Uhr schrieb phoebe ayers <
> Dear all,
> We are looking forward to WikiConference North
Sorry, people, but I would like to read an official statement of the WMF
(committee) what is the reason or rationale behind this policy to accept WM
user groups in countries where you already have a chapter. Does anybody
have a link?
Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb
I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya -
but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA),
not Sankt Peterburg in Russia.
Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!
Thank you for the explanation. Maybe some more context on Meta Wiki might
I am looking forward to see the final results.
Am Di., 1. Okt. 2019 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Paulo Santos Perneta <
> " A second iteration of draft
Very interesting - I was not aware that armed forces can be a partner of
GLAM. We are curious to see the link to a Commons category.
Ziko van Dijk
main author of :
Am Do., 12. Sept. 2019 um 12
the "Recommendations" are a problem because we are so late in the strategy
process. They are supposed to give the community a chance for community
input. If the quality of the "Recommendations" is so poor, then the chance
for the community to give substantial input is very limited.
ne involved (core team, WGs, liasion, and the part of
> the community who involved itself on the process).
> I endorse the request to the Strategy 2030 Core Team: Please review your
> schedule, and adjust your timetable, so to allow some reasonable time for
> that draft to be discussed and
Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future
of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the
If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers
Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 22:34 Uhr schrieb Aron Manning <
> Part of this would be the addition of NC and ND licenses. This doesn't mean
> that there will be less free content, but instead more material will be
> possible to be uploaded, from
Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Nicole Ebber <
> Dear all,.
> As such, constructive
> feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed.
For example, if I say that I am against NC and ND content on Commons, would
such a feedback be
There was once a report in which I read: Wikimedia Commons should allow NC
and ND content because that is somehow good for "communities that are
historically prohibited from telling their stories".
Then I asked on the talk page for the reasoning behind this
The answer I
Frankly, I am surprised by the announcement, too. Maybe I do not spend
enough time on wikis and mailinglists? :/
In general I am very curious for this new platform. I find it quite ...
telling or a bad signal that many wikipedians started to prefer discussing
wiki topics on Facebook (1)
It seems to me the best that a (different) member of the WMBE board
contacts a suitable person at WMF. A public list is not the best place
for sorting these things out.
Am Mo., 17. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb Dariusz Jemielniak
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:26 PM
Thanks for the information. The Meeting is indeed usually a very
interesting broadbast, and I am looking forward to e.g. hearing about the
Data project on Commons.
By the way, do you actually read the comments in Youtube?
Sasha Redkina schrieb am Do. 30. Mai 2019 um
also not a collaborative project -
> > only one person takes a picture (determines the story, the position, light
> > etc), and others can at best perform some editing or add/remove categories.
> > Cheers
> > Yaroslav
> > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> > Hello Philippe,
> > Thank you for your points to which I generally can agree. Because this
> > is an important matter to my, allow me to explain what I exactly mea
e and fact
> check answers... and that’s off the top of my head.
> That said I think wikinews is fundamentally not one is our success stories,
> but I don’t agree with what my friend Ziko said there. There are many roles
> for community there.
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM
One of the central problems of Wikinews is that the content is not
suitable for collaboration.
Content suitable for collaboration is related to a reality to which
the collaborators equally have access. Think if an encyclopedia based
on scholarly literature that (potentially) everybody can
Some years ago, some volunteers have proposed a new Wikimedia wiki. It did
not turn out as expected. That‘s okay, the movement should try out thing
from time to time.
But this wiki should not be seen as an eternal obligation to be kept.
Samuel Klein schrieb am Di. 16.
Allow me some notes on the rebranding of the Wikimedia movement. It
seems that the issue becomes larger and larger, as we receive signals
that the challenge is not only to use the brands differently or invent
new brands, but also to reform the movement and its organizations (?).
I join the congratulations and remind the audience that it was you who
played an important role to bring wikivoyage into the wikimedia
Am So., 14. Apr. 2019 um 19:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman :
> Back in 2013 the WikiVoyage community
Thank you for taking the time to explain, Chris. Actually we need some
kind of good terms to replace some older terms, but the challenge is
that they have to fit the current situation - or, as I understand you,
to introduce a change of the current situation.
Am Di., 9. Apr. 2019
At the occasion, we should also reconsider the expressions "chapter"
and "user group".
"Chapter" is more suitable for local divisions of a national
association. And "user group" sounds just like some group. We also
already have "user group" as a technical term in MediaWiki.
Hello Ariel Glenn,
Thanks for the notification, very interesting. Well, we all know that
making a lot of edits on Wikidata is "easier" or happens quicker than on
Wikipedia, for various reasons. But still it is a nice milestone to
congratulate to Wikidata. Hereby. :-)
Hello, maybe there is a suitable place on Meta Wiki to conserve this? Later
it will be a little bit difficult to find it again on a mailinglist.
I myself find this point of view of "outsiders" very interesting and worth
to notice e.g. in strategic discussions.
Am Mo., 18. Feb.
I like it too, actually better than the earlier one. Looks good on the
tablet; can be clicked away (the X seems to be a little fable).
Peter Southwood schrieb am Mi. 15. Nov. 2017
> The sidebar version is less offensive than the
> Your comments have already started some interesting discussions - on this
> list and in other places - about how oral traditions/sources could and
> should be used in a responsible way.
> Best regards,
> Sandra Rientjes
h with the next steps.
> Hope that helps.
> Best regards,
> On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>:
> > >
2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher :
> I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual and
> entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about.
Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which
Hello Lodewijk and Charles,
I am now quickly responding after arriving in my hotel. The question
whether it is about Wikipedia or about knowledge - I am not sure, but I
think that it is a very useful, structuring question.
About „oral traditions“. I don‘t have my books here, but I give you an
e elements to be part of the movement's strategic
> direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your opinion
> is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now time to
> accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute
nt that you agree
> with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a
> shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that
> we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically
> Wikimedian begrudging fashion.
to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful
> > improvements, please.
> > Fae
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+
> > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt
> > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote:
people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis
I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future
more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the
Ziko van Dijk
2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:
Just a general remark.
It is actually possible to create a huge website with a lot of content,
even if you are commercial. Wikia (or "Fandom powered by Wikia) is an
example, Baidu Baike another one. Maybe its not exactly the same (sort of)
people who contribute. But I find it highly
Just briefly a short comment: visitors should be approached with messages
especially created for them. I am always sceptical of simply re-using a
content made for one context/audience for another context/audience.
2017-08-19 9:25 GMT+02:00 K. Peachey :
The number of pillars depends on the language version...
And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much
John Erling Blad schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um 14:42:
> Five pillars are moot.
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra
Hello, i wrote something about a comparison of conent policies and will
have a presentation at wikicon, but at the momemt i am not at my home
Kind regards ziko
John Erling Blad schrieb am Mi. 2. Aug. 2017 um 18:19:
> I wonder if deviation away from a central core
Yes, thanks Andrew! A much welcome enlargement of the audience. I was very
happy to watch.
2017-05-24 22:55 GMT+02:00 Leila Zia :
> Hi all,
> I could not make it to Vienna for the Hackathon  and WikiCite 
> and I was happy to see that Andrew Lih has
This seems to me like a social problem, rather than a technical one.
Shutting down the tool would be a disadvantage for those people who benefit
from the tool and do good things with it.
What is the general opinion among the Norwegians about this issue? Is there
consent about how to deal
Thank you for your mail to this list; I saw the announcement earlier this
day and read the Wikitribune.com website, watched the video, and also read
a newspaper article. Honestly, I am still not quite sure whether I
understood fully what Wikitribune is supposed to be. :-)
- What is
Article quality is an interesting subject. I guess that it depends
extremely on what is the scientific discipline you come from, and what
questions you want to be answered. A linguist will have a very different
approach than a computer scientist, for example. If you ask me, only a
First, I am of course very happy about the attention and support from Mr.
But I am wondering about the special focus to "tools"; harassment is a
problem on the social level, not the technical one. Also, after all those
years in which we talk about harassment, I find it difficult
Thank you for forwarding the resolution.
"the Wikimedia Foundation should be proactively engaged in eliminating
What is the WMF actually going to do?
2016-12-08 21:26 GMT+01:00 Sydney Poore :
> Thank you Christophe and
The topic sounds great. I'm afraid I can't watch it live, as I have other
duties in the evening.
2016-11-09 23:29 GMT+01:00 Leila Zia :
> [Apologies for cross-posting]
> Hi everyone,
> Almost a year ago, we  embarked on a research project to
Allow me, from my personal experiences, to bring into conscience what it
means to "be" or to represent a Wikimedia affiliate, whether it is a
chapter, a thematic organization or a WM user group.
It is a great honour to be active in a Wikimedia affiliate.
Affiliates, a chapter for
I feel very lucky that I have the occasion to take part into something new
in our movement. It has been some time that French speaking Wikipmedians
are planning this. As a foreign observer I am looking forward to learn a
lot of thing for our convention in the Netherlands, in November.
Thanks for the mail, Nicole, and Teele for the post. Two points:
a) It is great to see this kind of chapter interchanges, and I hope to
see more of it. It would be great if more chapters can offer such
b) It is great to see how a generation of young people grows in/into
Congratulations to the mile stone.
I do allow myself to ask how the 500.000 have been achieved. When I
click on Random Article, I get a certain percentage of articles of
It was always great to talk to you, Geofff, I wish you all the best
and hope that from time to time the Wikimedia movement still will
enjoy your advice.
2016-07-14 13:01 GMT+02:00 Michael Jahn :
> Working with you has been a brief but nonetheless great pleasure,
Honestly, I am rather unhappy with the wording: "The article for one
of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic"
Obviously, someone took the time to make a start. Saying "it is
pathetic" sounds like "you are / your work is pathetic". This is a
good example how the wording of a comment
You have been chair, and board member, in times difficult for our
movement. You have invested a lot of time, and even if I did not agree
always with you for 100%, I knew that a good conversation was
possible. Please accept my unconditional respect for your commitment.
Actually I favor very much the idea that, after the election, there is
a public list of the chapters that did cast the vote. (Not
necessarily, which chapter supported which candidate, but that is
another discussion. In 2012, the list of candidates was not published
at all, by the way.)
Congratulations for this project! I have looked at some figures, and
some videos, and it looks very impressive. I'm gonna have a closer
look in the nearby future.
It would be great to have something like that in other languages.
2016-04-05 19:25 GMT+02:00 Brill Lyle
Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see
something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant
for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an
opportunity is not a goal by itself.
Am Mittwoch, 23.
I cannot say much about the specific case, but in general: in small
countries it is not unusual that there is only one national
encyclopedia, and that it is directly or indirectly published or
supported by the government or an institution close to the government.
A good example is the
Thank you for the clarification. I very much appreciate signals that
lead to a better understanding and coming to terms with each other. I
am happy to read that you wouldn't, as a person, object to a return of
James to the board.
However, the FAQ says in the introduction: "The Board
Thank you for the note. I was wondering about the eligibility of
James, because the page
"Due to the removal from the
Dear Brion, thank you for starting this thread and for your caveats.
Among the challenges when creating new movement entities, or organs, I
think there are at least two which we have experienced in the past:
a) A certain part of the Wikipedians has a very individualistic mind
and may not want to
Thanks for the contributions.
I can imagine that it is reasonable
* that the WMF Board deems it impossible to work together with a
specific board member;
* that the WMF Board deems it impossible to publish the reasons for the removal;
* that the WMF Board calls the removed board member to
Thank you for your e-mail. I am also grateful to many other people who have
contributed to give us a better understanding of the past and the present
(it is a lot of work).
I would like to read your opinion about two things that I find astonishing
and urging for a remedy:
* How it
There pure costs shouldn't be the main or only argument. What does the
movement pay, for what? How are the goals of the movement served by
Wikimania or other conventions? The better we understand that the
better our conventions are.
For example, for the programme of the Wikimedia Conference
Thank you for your work, I enjoyed seeing some of it in Mexico. All
the best for the future!
2016-02-09 21:21 GMT+01:00 Vira Motorko :
> Thank you, Anna, for whom you become for me and for us!
> Where are you going next? :)
Thank you for the information. I would be interested in an elaboration
of the advantages and disadvantages of a community election, though.
2016-01-29 16:27 GMT+01:00 Patricio Lorente :
> Dear all,
> I am happy to announce the
I cannot word it better than Michael Snow, so I won't try.
2016-01-27 8:39 GMT+01:00 Michael Snow :
> Hello Arnnon,
> It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions in
> the position you were appointed to are positive and
I very much agree with Fae on this.
Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they
have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on
this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not
to react immediately to another post
I can't find something wrong with Pundit's argument based opinions and
2015-11-26 12:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen :
> Some explanations simply read as weasel words. Nothing was lost in
> translation. You either have an opinion and
Thanks for the explanations. I always thought of the Superprotect
function as a technical way to react in a social-legal space of
tension. A discussion about the technical function is much less
interesting than about the real issue, of how to improve the MediaWiki
software with regard to the
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
company, for various reasons.
2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel :
> Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
> (where the privacy doc is
2015-10-05 18:16 GMT+02:00 Nathan :
> The WCA council was a bureaucratic mess that seemed almost doomed from its
> inception. I think the comparison is inapt.
No, there was hardly any "bureaucracy", the problem was that Council
members did not met their tasks, did not show
> On 15-10-05 05:26 AM, Gnangarra wrote:
>> I think we are stuck with Montreal and to change now isnt going address the
>> problems this decision has created
I think that this is a very unhappy wording; there is nothing wrong
with the bid or the city by itself. As much as I find the wasted
Of course it is the committee to have its say about Wikimania.
If I understand it well, the main problem was that the bid period was
from August to November 2015, and some groups were working on their
bids. They feel that they could have saved a lot of work if they had
My best wishes and a huge THANK YOU, Garfield! Many people in the
movement learned a lot from you, including me.
2015-09-12 20:20 GMT+02:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel :
> It was a pleasure to work with you. Your announcement sadness us all, as
An excellent idea, Chris.
I am curious what are the exact reasons for having the fundraising banner
in September. We were always told that December is the best month. It is no
secret that many (and which) chapters run the WLM event in September. Maybe
the FR team can explain about that, so that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvgchlOrhI4 (Wikimania 2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1hvyeJkE4 (Wikimania 2014)
2015-08-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org:
Le jeudi 6 août 2015, 19:52:17 Mardetanha
Some people on the one hand like to complain on the interferences and
interventions of the Foundation, and on the other hand want its involvement
when it suits them.
Pointing to the wealth of the Foundation and by that legitimizing any
spending, is not really convincing.
Am Montag, 27.
So, if you have something to communicate and want to meet people in the Low
Countries, with regard to Wikipedia, free knowledge and our other topics:
the WCN might be a very suitable conference for you. :-)
Ziko van Dijk
Thank you for your work, you leave the Foundation and all of us richer. I
hope that your ideas will still make an impact on the movement.
All the best for your next plans,
Am Dienstag, 23. Juni 2015 schrieb Oona Castro :
it was a pleasure to collaborate
Well said, Craig. Because Che Guevara means for me: I'm out.
Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2014 schrieb Craig Franklin :
I think the first lesson here is: if you're going to talk about a
harmonious community, don't quote divisive political figures in support of
your argument :-)
There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second
Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really
limited to people who make the movement work better.
I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit
really in, or should
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