Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedian of the Year 2020 livestream event - 15 October

2020-10-15 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, The chat function on YouTube is turned off, I don't know whether that is by purpose or by accident. Kind regards Ziko Am Do., 15. Okt. 2020 um 16:31 Uhr schrieb Chris Koerner : > > Hello all, > Just a reminder that this event happens in about an hour and a half > from now. I hope you can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Clinic #009 digest (Abstract Wikipedia); #010 today at 13:00 UTC

2020-09-15 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I don't know whether I am the only one with this problem, but when I tried to enter the room, my computer crashed. It happened with three different browsers. Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 15. Sept. 2020 um 10:58 Uhr schrieb Asaf Bartov : > > Dear Wikimedians, > > I have posted the digest for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-11 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta : > > Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do I have > a deeply flawed understanding of civility? Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might theoretically be the case, at least

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation

2020-08-01 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, All the best to the people involved, it is an important endeavour. Of course, we are all curious about results. Kind regards Ziko Am Do., 30. Juli 2020 um 19:49 Uhr schrieb Christel Steigenberger : > > Hello everyone, > > > We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New essay on the ambiguity of NC licenses

2020-07-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Thank you for the link, Erik, I am going to read Pete Forsyth‘s text carefully. My thinking about the module was influenced by some WMD publications, by Till Kreutzer and also this one: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Free_Knowledge_thanks_to_Creative_Commons_Licenses.pdf So I learned

Re: [Wikimedia-l] June 4 1800 Maggie Dennis office hour (with a twist)

2020-05-30 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thanks for the link, Ciell, I easily get confused about time zones. I am looking forward to attend on June 4th, if it is possible for me. Kind regards Ziko Am Fr., 29. Mai 2020 um 20:20 Uhr schrieb Ciell Wikipedia < ciell.wikipe...@gmail.com>: > This will be very interesting, thank you Maggie. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

2020-05-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello people, thanks for the reactions! I actually did not mean conservative in a strict political sense, and I am a big fan of Reagle's book. It seems to me that some people in the movement identify strongly with the (political) term "progressive", and, depending on their personal circumstances,

[Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

2020-05-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear fellows, Some time ago, Joseph Reagle wrote that an encyclopedia must be progressive. In my personal view, something "progressive" sounds to me intuitively more sympathetic than something "conservative". But of course, these are only two words loaden with meaning, and reality is always more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Alessandro, Thank you for your post and its insight. I recognized the same with me: I only make use of Wikimedia Commons in lessons if I have enough time. Also I would introduce it only to students with a solid knowledge of English. Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l schrieb am Mo. 18.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I would like to support Roland's and other's remarks that Wikimedia Commons has some serious problems and needs improvement in many ways. Some of these problems are very difficult to overcome, such as a better, multilingual search because we don't have all the necessary meta data. Other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I totally agree with you, Shlomi. Kind regards Ziko Am So., 26. Apr. 2020 um 17:02 Uhr schrieb Shlomi Fish < shlo...@shlomifish.org>: > Hi Rebecca and all, > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:11:55 +0100 > "Rebecca O'Neill" wrote: > > > Well said. Everything is political, and when the movement choses

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism

2020-04-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, this is about different things. One is an opinion about Earth Day, one is an opinion about the organization behind a specific event, and one is an opinion about whether the WMF should link to this specific event. For example, I am not against protecting the climate. I might have some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF political activism, yet again

2020-04-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I can confirm that I see the same also here in the Netherlands. Which is strange, there are no general elections here before 2021... An explanation about this link would be interesting. Kind regards Ziko Am Mi., 22. Apr. 2020 um 22:50 Uhr schrieb Yair Rand : > The WMF corporate site

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia and a new Wikipedia project

2020-04-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Denny, Thank you for your well written piece with some very intriguing ideas. I have read most of it, and I must confess that I have not fully understand everything about keys and contractors. Maybe I am not exactly the target group. I found it very sympathetic to read your own scepticisms,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next steps on Wikimedia Space

2020-02-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Quim, Thank you for the information. It was not quite a surprise, as we did not hear much of Space in the last time, and I must confess myself that I only used it in the iniatial phase and somewhat later. I feel sorry for those who invested time and energy in it. I am interested in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-02-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I strongly agree with what Chris wrote. In the Strategy discussions, I have experienced and witnessed several times that defenders of the "strategy synthesis/recommendations" do not want to talk about an issue. They say things like: * "this feels like défa vu" * "you are not constructive" *

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Yes, thank you Andrew, that was actually what I was looking for. It is simply very difficult e.g. to search for a sentence that somebody quoted when the text is shattered over several pages and then with parts hidden as "collapsable". (I do not blame or criticise somebody for that, it is just that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
ers have expressed, I am not in the least bit inclined to give any > > feedback on meta. It's a waste of volunteer time, as effective as > shouting > > out of your office window expecting to make the weather change. > > > > Fae > > > > On Tue, 21 Jan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations released, join the conversation

2020-01-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, We now have the confirmation on a Meta Wiki talk page: the WMF is not going to let the communities vote on the recommendations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations#Community_consensus Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 21. Jan. 2020 um 09:39

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: New roles for working group members, synthesis underway, and more

2019-11-28 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank you for the update, Nicole. Kind regards Ziko Am Do., 28. Nov. 2019 um 15:44 Uhr schrieb Philip Kopetzky < philip.kopet...@gmail.com>: > Yaroslav, the recommendations have always come with the caveat that the > actual implementation depends on the communities implementing them >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiConference North America live stream

2019-11-07 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Phoebe, thank you for the good news. We invest so much in our conferences, that it is a pity that they often are not recorded. Kind regards Ziko Am Do., 7. Nov. 2019 um 20:31 Uhr schrieb phoebe ayers < phoebe.w...@gmail.com>: > Dear all, > We are looking forward to WikiConference North

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-07 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Sorry, people, but I would like to read an official statement of the WMF (committee) what is the reason or rationale behind this policy to accept WM user groups in countries where you already have a chapter. Does anybody have a link? Kind regards Ziko Am Sa., 5. Okt. 2019 um 19:16 Uhr schrieb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Philip, I was asking the same question - isn't there already a Wikimedia Rossiya - but I guess this is the User Group of Saint Petersburg in Florida (USA), not Sankt Peterburg in Russia. Oh wait... this IS about the city in Russia!

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-01 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Nicole, Thank you for the explanation. Maybe some more context on Meta Wiki might make sense? I am looking forward to see the final results. Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 1. Okt. 2019 um 19:08 Uhr schrieb Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com>: > " A second iteration of draft

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

2019-09-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear colleague, Very interesting - I was not aware that armed forces can be a partner of GLAM. We are curious to see the link to a Commons category. Kind regards Ziko van Dijk main author of : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesischer_Unabh%C3%A4ngigkeitskrieg Am Do., 12. Sept. 2019 um 12

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, the "Recommendations" are a problem because we are so late in the strategy process. They are supposed to give the community a chance for community input. If the quality of the "Recommendations" is so poor, then the chance for the community to give substantial input is very limited. In this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-16 Thread Ziko van Dijk
ne involved (core team, WGs, liasion, and the part of > the community who involved itself on the process). > > I endorse the request to the Strategy 2030 Core Team: Please review your > schedule, and adjust your timetable, so to allow some reasonable time for > that draft to be discussed and

[Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the working groups. If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Aron, Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 22:34 Uhr schrieb Aron Manning < aronmanni...@gmail.com>: > > Part of this would be the addition of NC and ND licenses. This doesn't mean > that there will be less free content, but instead more material will be > possible to be uploaded, from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:51 Uhr schrieb Nicole Ebber < nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>: > Dear all,. > As such, constructive > feedback and solution-oriented suggestions are welcomed. Hello Nicole, For example, if I say that I am against NC and ND content on Commons, would such a feedback be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NC and ND content (was: Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations...)

2019-08-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, There was once a report in which I read: Wikimedia Commons should allow NC and ND content because that is somehow good for "communities that are historically prohibited from telling their stories". Then I asked on the talk page for the reasoning behind this demand/postulation. The answer I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Frankly, I am surprised by the announcement, too. Maybe I do not spend enough time on wikis and mailinglists? :/ In general I am very curious for this new platform. I find it quite ... telling or a bad signal that many wikipedians started to prefer discussing wiki topics on Facebook (1)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, It seems to me the best that a (different) member of the WMBE board contacts a suitable person at WMF. A public list is not the best place for sorting these things out. Kind regards Ziko Am Mo., 17. Juni 2019 um 16:48 Uhr schrieb Dariusz Jemielniak : > > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:26 PM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to the May 2019 Wikimedia Monthly Activities Meeting: Thursday, May 30th, 18:00 UTC

2019-05-30 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Thanks for the information. The Meeting is indeed usually a very interesting broadbast, and I am looking forward to e.g. hearing about the Data project on Commons. By the way, do you actually read the comments in Youtube? Kind regards Ziko Sasha Redkina schrieb am Do. 30. Mai 2019 um

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
also not a collaborative project - > > only one person takes a picture (determines the story, the position, light > > etc), and others can at best perform some editing or add/remove categories. > > > > Cheers > > Yaroslav > > > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
; Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ziko van Dijk wrote: > > > Hello Philippe, > > > > Thank you for your points to which I generally can agree. Because this > > is an important matter to my, allow me to explain what I exactly mea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
e and fact > check answers... and that’s off the top of my head. > > That said I think wikinews is fundamentally not one is our success stories, > but I don’t agree with what my friend Ziko said there. There are many roles > for community there. > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, One of the central problems of Wikinews is that the content is not suitable for collaboration. Content suitable for collaboration is related to a reality to which the collaborators equally have access. Think if an encyclopedia based on scholarly literature that (potentially) everybody can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-16 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Some years ago, some volunteers have proposed a new Wikimedia wiki. It did not turn out as expected. That‘s okay, the movement should try out thing from time to time. But this wiki should not be seen as an eternal obligation to be kept. Kind regards Ziko Samuel Klein schrieb am Di. 16.

[Wikimedia-l] "The Director of the Wikipedia Community"?

2019-04-15 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Allow me some notes on the rebranding of the Wikimedia movement. It seems that the issue becomes larger and larger, as we receive signals that the challenge is not only to use the brands differently or invent new brands, but also to reform the movement and its organizations (?). Also, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A BIG congratulations to the WikiVoyage community.

2019-04-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear James, I join the congratulations and remind the audience that it was you who played an important role to bring wikivoyage into the wikimedia family. Congratulations! Kind regards Ziko Am So., 14. Apr. 2019 um 19:45 Uhr schrieb James Heilman : > > Back in 2013 the WikiVoyage community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank you for taking the time to explain, Chris. Actually we need some kind of good terms to replace some older terms, but the challenge is that they have to fit the current situation - or, as I understand you, to introduce a change of the current situation. Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 9. Apr. 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
At the occasion, we should also reconsider the expressions "chapter" and "user group". "Chapter" is more suitable for local divisions of a national association. And "user group" sounds just like some group. We also already have "user group" as a technical term in MediaWiki. Kind regards Ziko Am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

2019-03-20 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Ariel Glenn, Thanks for the notification, very interesting. Well, we all know that making a lot of edits on Wikidata is "easier" or happens quicker than on Wikipedia, for various reasons. But still it is a nice milestone to congratulate to Wikidata. Hereby. :-) Kind regards Ziko Am Mi.,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, maybe there is a suitable place on Meta Wiki to conserve this? Later it will be a little bit difficult to find it again on a mailinglist. I myself find this point of view of "outsiders" very interesting and worth to notice e.g. in strategic discussions. Kind regards Ziko Am Mo., 18. Feb.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

2017-11-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I like it too, actually better than the earlier one. Looks good on the tablet; can be clicked away (the X seems to be a little fable). Kind regards, Ziko Peter Southwood schrieb am Mi. 15. Nov. 2017 um 08:16: > The sidebar version is less offensive than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
imedia projects. > Your comments have already started some interesting discussions - on this > list and in other places - about how oral traditions/sources could and > should be used in a responsible way. > > Best regards, > > > Sandra Rientjes > Directeur/Executive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
h with the next steps. > > Hope that helps. > > Best regards, > Nicole > > On 21 October 2017 at 01:02, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>: > > > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] October 12: Strategy update - Movement direction now posted for your endorsement consideration (#26)

2017-10-20 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2017-10-20 23:10 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher : > > I am optimistic that this strategic direction provides every individual and > entity within the Wikimedia movement something to be excited about. > Hello, it is not about what I might be excited about - I wonder in which ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Lodewijk and Charles, I am now quickly responding after arriving in my hotel. The question whether it is about Wikipedia or about knowledge - I am not sure, but I think that it is a very useful, structuring question. About „oral traditions“. I don‘t have my books here, but I give you an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
e elements to be part of the movement's strategic > direction. And they have outweighed you. On some other topics, your opinion > is the one that prevailed. On many topics, we all agreed. It is now time to > accept the outcome and focus on what motivates us to contribute > individually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
nt that you agree > with than that you disagree with. I hope that the prospect of moving in a > shared direction will outweigh the possible annoyances. And so I hope that > we'll endorse the direction together, even if it's in our typically > Wikimedian begrudging fashion. > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
to the talk page and use the criticism to help meaningful > > improvements, please. > > > > Fae > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LGBT+ > > http://telegram.me/wmlgbt > > > > On 2 Oct 2017 14:56, "Ziko van Dijk" <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
people who are contributing to the wiki Wikipedia on a regular basis as volunteers. I am very positive of having an open Wikimedia *movement*. But if in future more or less everybody will be *community*: that is in fact abolishing the community. Kind regards, Ziko van Dijk 2017-09-30 22:28 GMT+02:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New style banner - A heads up

2017-08-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Just a general remark. It is actually possible to create a huge website with a lot of content, even if you are commercial. Wikia (or "Fandom powered by Wikia) is an example, Baidu Baike another one. Maybe its not exactly the same (sort of) people who contribute. But I find it highly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertizing Wikimania (youtube) livestreams on centralnotice

2017-08-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Just briefly a short comment: visitors should be approached with messages especially created for them. I am always sceptical of simply re-using a content made for one context/audience for another context/audience. Kind regards Ziko 2017-08-19 9:25 GMT+02:00 K. Peachey : > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
The number of pillars depends on the language version... And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf much importance Ziko John Erling Blad schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um 14:42: > Five pillars are moot. > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, i wrote something about a comparison of conent policies and will have a presentation at wikicon, but at the momemt i am not at my home computer. Kind regards ziko John Erling Blad schrieb am Mi. 2. Aug. 2017 um 18:19: > I wonder if deviation away from a central core

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Videos of sessions at Vienna Hackathon and WikiCite

2017-05-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Yes, thanks Andrew! A much welcome enlargement of the audience. I was very happy to watch. Kind regards Ziko 2017-05-24 22:55 GMT+02:00 Leila Zia : > Hi all, > > I could not make it to Vienna for the Hackathon [1] and WikiCite [2] > and I was happy to see that Andrew Lih has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] machine translation

2017-05-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, This seems to me like a social problem, rather than a technical one. Shutting down the tool would be a disadvantage for those people who benefit from the tool and do good things with it. What is the general opinion among the Norwegians about this issue? Is there consent about how to deal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikitribune!

2017-04-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jimmy, Thank you for your mail to this list; I saw the announcement earlier this day and read the Wikitribune.com website, watched the video, and also read a newspaper article. Honestly, I am still not quite sure whether I understood fully what Wikitribune is supposed to be. :-) - What is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

2017-04-16 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello John, Article quality is an interesting subject. I guess that it depends extremely on what is the scientific discipline you come from, and what questions you want to be answered. A linguist will have a very different approach than a computer scientist, for example. If you ask me, only a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Wikimedia Foundation receives $500, 000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund to support a healthy and inclusive

2017-01-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, First, I am of course very happy about the attention and support from Mr. Newmark. But I am wondering about the special focus to "tools"; harassment is a problem on the social level, not the technical one. Also, after all those years in which we talk about harassment, I find it difficult

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Statement by Wikimedia Board on Healthy Community Culture, Inclusivity, and Safe Spaces

2016-12-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Christophe, Thank you for forwarding the resolution. "the Wikimedia Foundation should be proactively engaged in eliminating harassment" What is the WMF actually going to do? Kind regards Ziko 2016-12-08 21:26 GMT+01:00 Sydney Poore : > Thank you Christophe and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Research Showcase, November 16, 2016

2016-11-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, The topic sounds great. I'm afraid I can't watch it live, as I have other duties in the evening. Kind regards Ziko 2016-11-09 23:29 GMT+01:00 Leila Zia : > [Apologies for cross-posting] > > Hi everyone, > > Almost a year ago, we [1] embarked on a research project to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Changes to current chapter and thematic organisation criteria

2016-08-25 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear all, Allow me, from my personal experiences, to bring into conscience what it means to "be" or to represent a Wikimedia affiliate, whether it is a chapter, a thematic organization or a WM user group. It is a great honour to be active in a Wikimedia affiliate. Affiliates, a chapter for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First French WikiConvention

2016-08-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Cher amis, I feel very lucky that I have the occasion to take part into something new in our movement. It has been some time that French speaking Wikipmedians are planning this. As a foreign observer I am looking forward to learn a lot of thing for our convention in the Netherlands, in November.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Our Visiting Wikimedian initiative #wmcon

2016-07-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thanks for the mail, Nicole, and Teele for the post. Two points: a) It is great to see this kind of chapter interchanges, and I hope to see more of it. It would be great if more chapters can offer such opportunities. b) It is great to see how a generation of young people grows in/into the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farsi Wikipedia

2016-07-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Congratulations to the mile stone. I do allow myself to ask how the 500.000 have been achieved. When I click on Random Article, I get a certain percentage of articles of this kind: https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AF%D9%87%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%A7%D9%86_%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%B3%D9%88 Kind regards

Re: [Wikimedia-l] With my thanks to everyone ...

2016-07-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
It was always great to talk to you, Geofff, I wish you all the best and hope that from time to time the Wikimedia movement still will enjoy your advice. Ziko 2016-07-14 13:01 GMT+02:00 Michael Jahn : > Working with you has been a brief but nonetheless great pleasure,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight

2016-06-30 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Honestly, I am rather unhappy with the wording: "The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic" Obviously, someone took the time to make a start. Saying "it is pathetic" sounds like "you are / your work is pathetic". This is a good example how the wording of a comment

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMF Board of Trustees appointments and officer positions

2016-06-23 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Patricio, You have been chair, and board member, in times difficult for our movement. You have invested a lot of time, and even if I did not agree always with you for 100%, I knew that a good conversation was possible. Please accept my unconditional respect for your commitment. Kind regards

Re: [Wikimedia-l] election for 2 seats on WMF board of trustees ends May 7...

2016-05-03 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Actually I favor very much the idea that, after the election, there is a public list of the chapters that did cast the vote. (Not necessarily, which chapter supported which candidate, but that is another discussion. In 2012, the list of candidates was not published at all, by the way.) I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Massive Online Open Course about Wikipedia

2016-04-06 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Congratulations for this project! I have looked at some figures, and some videos, and it looks very impressive. I'm gonna have a closer look in the nearby future. It would be great to have something like that in other languages. Kind regards Ziko 2016-04-05 19:25 GMT+02:00 Brill Lyle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia Zero mass effect on Wikimedia projects

2016-03-23 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Actually, I am quite appalled by the article. Whether one wants to see something positive in pirating or not, the Wikimedia servers are not meant for this purpose (for good reasons). Breaking rules and taking abuse of an opportunity is not a goal by itself. Kind regards Ziko Am Mittwoch, 23.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Armenia candidate for the board

2016-03-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, I cannot say much about the specific case, but in general: in small countries it is not unusual that there is only one national encyclopedia, and that it is directly or indirectly published or supported by the government or an institution close to the government. A good example is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-03-01 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Jimmy, Thank you for the clarification. I very much appreciate signals that lead to a better understanding and coming to terms with each other. I am happy to read that you wouldn't, as a person, object to a return of James to the board. However, the FAQ says in the introduction: "The Board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A quick note about the future

2016-02-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Jimmy, Thank you for the note. I was wondering about the eligibility of James, because the page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/James_Heilman_removal_FAQ#Can_James_be_a_candidate_for_a_community-selected_seat_again.3F says: "Due to the removal from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement representation vs WMF board reform

2016-02-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Brion, thank you for starting this thread and for your caveats. Among the challenges when creating new movement entities, or organs, I think there are at least two which we have experienced in the past: a) A certain part of the Wikipedians has a very individualistic mind and may not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reinstatement of James Heilman

2016-02-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Thanks for the contributions. I can imagine that it is reasonable * that the WMF Board deems it impossible to work together with a specific board member; * that the WMF Board deems it impossible to publish the reasons for the removal; * that the WMF Board calls the removed board member to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An Open Letter to Wikimedia Foundation BoT

2016-02-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Ido, Thank you for your e-mail. I am also grateful to many other people who have contributed to give us a better understanding of the past and the present (it is a lot of work). I would like to read your opinion about two things that I find astonishing and urging for a remedy: * How it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

2016-02-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
There pure costs shouldn't be the main or only argument. What does the movement pay, for what? How are the goals of the movement served by Wikimania or other conventions? The better we understand that the better our conventions are. For example, for the programme of the Wikimedia Conference

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell <3

2016-02-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Anna, Thank you for your work, I enjoyed seeing some of it in Mexico. All the best for the future! Kind regards Ziko 2016-02-09 21:21 GMT+01:00 Vira Motorko : > Thank you, Anna, for whom you become for me and for us! > > Where are you going next? :) > > *--* > *Vira

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of María Sefidari to Wikimedia Foundation Board

2016-01-29 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Patricio, Thank you for the information. I would be interested in an elaboration of the advantages and disadvantages of a community election, though. Kind regards Ziko 2016-01-29 16:27 GMT+01:00 Patricio Lorente : > Dear all, > > > I am happy to announce the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I cannot word it better than Michael Snow, so I won't try. Kind regards Ziko 2016-01-27 8:39 GMT+01:00 Michael Snow : > Hello Arnnon, > > It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions in > the position you were appointed to are positive and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please stick to the 30-post limit

2015-12-31 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I very much agree with Fae on this. Certainly, some people will always post more than others, e.g. because they have a specific task in the movement. But often I wonder whether a post on this list was really necessary. For example, sometimes it makes sense not to react immediately to another post

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I can't find something wrong with Pundit's argument based opinions and explanations. Kind regards Ziko 2015-11-26 12:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Some explanations simply read as weasel words. Nothing was lost in > translation. You either have an opinion and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thanks for the explanations. I always thought of the Superprotect function as a technical way to react in a social-legal space of tension. A discussion about the technical function is much less interesting than about the real issue, of how to improve the MediaWiki software with regard to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-07 Thread Ziko van Dijk
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the company, for various reasons. Kind regards Ziko 2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel : > Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website > (where the privacy doc is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2015-10-05 18:16 GMT+02:00 Nathan : > The WCA council was a bureaucratic mess that seemed almost doomed from its > inception. I think the comparison is inapt. > No, there was hardly any "bureaucracy", the problem was that Council members did not met their tasks, did not show

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-05 Thread Ziko van Dijk
> On 15-10-05 05:26 AM, Gnangarra wrote: >> I think we are stuck with Montreal and to change now isnt going address the >> problems this decision has created > I think that this is a very unhappy wording; there is nothing wrong with the bid or the city by itself. As much as I find the wasted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

2015-10-04 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Of course it is the committee to have its say about Wikimania. If I understand it well, the main problem was that the bid period was from August to November 2015, and some groups were working on their bids. They feel that they could have saved a lot of work if they had known before. Kind regards

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Departure

2015-09-12 Thread Ziko van Dijk
My best wishes and a huge THANK YOU, Garfield! Many people in the movement learned a lot from you, including me. Kind regards Ziko 2015-09-12 20:20 GMT+02:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel : > Garfield, > > It was a pleasure to work with you. Your announcement sadness us all, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
An excellent idea, Chris. I am curious what are the exact reasons for having the fundraising banner in September. We were always told that December is the best month. It is no secret that many (and which) chapters run the WLM event in September. Maybe the FR team can explain about that, so that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] possible power point or pdf file

2015-08-06 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Maybe related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvgchlOrhI4 (Wikimania 2013) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1hvyeJkE4 (Wikimania 2014) Kind regards Ziko 2015-08-06 17:47 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org: Hello Mardetanha, Le jeudi 6 août 2015, 19:52:17 Mardetanha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?

2015-07-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Some people on the one hand like to complain on the interferences and interventions of the Foundation, and on the other hand want its involvement when it suits them. Pointing to the wealth of the Foundation and by that legitimizing any spending, is not really convincing. Ziko Am Montag, 27.

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conferentie Nederland, November 28th, 2015; Call for speakers

2015-07-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
://www.wikimedia.nl/projectpagina/programma So, if you have something to communicate and want to meet people in the Low Countries, with regard to Wikipedia, free knowledge and our other topics: the WCN might be a very suitable conference for you. :-) Kind regards Ziko van Dijk programme coordinator

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell

2015-06-22 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Fabrice, Thank you for your work, you leave the Foundation and all of us richer. I hope that your ideas will still make an impact on the movement. All the best for your next plans, Ziko Am Dienstag, 23. Juni 2015 schrieb Oona Castro : Dear Fabrice, it was a pleasure to collaborate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call to Action

2014-10-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Well said, Craig. Because Che Guevara means for me: I'm out. Ziko Am Mittwoch, 8. Oktober 2014 schrieb Craig Franklin : I think the first lesson here is: if you're going to talk about a harmonious community, don't quote divisive political figures in support of your argument :-) That said,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2015

2014-09-11 Thread Ziko van Dijk
There is no reason to change the name, and no reason to invent a second Wikimania. Also because of finances, the Spring meeting should be really limited to people who make the movement work better. I repeat that, in my opinion, some newer or smaller organisations don't fit really in, or should

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