Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread pi zero
Based on my own experience on en.wn, I believe copyright/plagiary detection cannot be fully automated without introducing horrific errors, for the same reason translation can't be: doing the task properly requires knowing what the text means. On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 10:47 AM, James Heilman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "News Integrity Initiative" at CUNY

2017-04-10 Thread pi zero
tting before publication proved a failure. It is why we have Wikipedia > and not Nupedia. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 10 April 2017 at 14:44, pi zero <wn.pi.z...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > English Wikinews took serious measures for reliability back in 2009. For >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "News Integrity Initiative" at CUNY

2017-04-10 Thread pi zero
English Wikinews took serious measures for reliability back in 2009. For our pains, we've received mostly grief from the Foundation, and from a vocal segment of the Wikipedian community. If they consulted, before this expertise-lending, with the sister project that specializes in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey: Top 10 wishes of 2016!

2016-12-16 Thread pi zero
Just a general observation: Making things "global" can be good or bad for non-wikipedia projects depending on how it's done; spreading uniformity across projects could also damage non-wikipedia projects by imposing inappropriate infrastructure. I'm not totally cynical about the idea, just noting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Direction] WMF Board of Trustees 2016 priorities

2016-06-29 Thread pi zero
sure we — as a movement — will have a strategy that we > can all embrace and push forward together. I do hope that everyone together can find a positive way forward (says the optimist in me, even while the pessimist in me lists all the things li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread pi zero
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Neil Harris wrote: > That's fantastic, represents a huge vote of confidence for the Wiki Way, > and is a big move towards improving the relationship between the WMF and > the community. > Just to keep things in perspective: the removal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

2015-05-23 Thread pi zero
I agree with a bunch of what you're saying here. That's probably worth saying up front, because I'm going to disagree with a bunch of it, too. to assume good faith. Assume good faith, and nearby concepts such as be civil, have in the long term severely damaged the social infrastructure of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikinews and free journalism

2015-05-08 Thread pi zero
It would scarcely be possible to overstate how un-seriously Wikinews takes Signpost's coverage of Wikinews. We typically don't even bother to try to debunk falsehoods about Wikinews when they appear on Signpost, figuring they're too numerous and the forum is too biased for meaningful dialog. Of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-10-09 Thread pi zero
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Matthew Flaschen mflasc...@wikimedia.org wrote: Finally, I consider the unreadable parser functions problem essentially solved. Lua is not perfect, but it's a usable language (and not a Mediawiki-specific one) that is far more readable and writable than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: tl;dr: We've been collectively whining about templates for long enough. Who wants to help with fixing them? Improving on templates is broadly what I've been doing with my dialog tools

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
To be clear, ordinary user of the dialog tools most certainly does *not* involve knowing javascript or Lua or html. The whole point is to arrange that an ordinary wiki users can do wonderful things using *only wiki markup*. (The hypothetical example of a url there is, btw, entirely wrong; but one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: That would take a more detailed look at what is actually trying to be accomplished with these dialogs. For example, enwiki's Teahouse[1] has a dialog for newbies to more easily post questions, but it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: This reply still isn't anything official, but does represent my own views as a developer (both volunteer and staff) Is there an actual problem with Scribunto that drove you to writing this lisp interpreter,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
Pardon my long reply; I actually meant to just comment on a couple of things, and got carried away. But I really do find this topic very interesting. On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: When it comes to your extremely complicated templates with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's fix templates

2014-09-02 Thread pi zero
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 09/02/2014 01:35 PM, pi zero wrote: (1) It's very easy to use. (2) it naturally promotes incremental learning. I'm sorry, but both of those assertions are not only wrong, but profoundly misguided. At first I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

2014-08-07 Thread pi zero
://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Help:Dialog. Pi zero ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please rename this list to shitfight-l, and give us a list where civil discussion about wikimedia can take place

2014-06-16 Thread pi zero
I am looking for a productive mailing list that discusses matters of importance to the Wikimedia community. That the people on such a list can have these discussions politely, respectfully, and with concern for others in that the words that say, and attitudes taken. I want to see