Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland - Fundraising Report
Hi, guys! Thank you for publication, that is very interesting for other chapters, too. rubin16 11 мая 2015 г. 12:12 пользователь Till Mletzko till.mlet...@wikimedia.de написал: Hi everyone, We just released our new WMDE fundraising report. See the detailed report here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Chapters/WMDE_2014_Report There is also an executive summary of the report on the movement blog: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/08/fundraising-made-in-germany/ Cheers, Till *_Executive Summary_* From € 700,00 to € 8,200,000 in less than five years. That is an astonishing development. But fundraising is not just about money. Fundraising at Wikimedia Deutschland, and across the entire Wikimedia movement, not only helps us achieve financial goals, it also helps raise awareness for our mission. We reach several million people each day during our fundraising campaign in Germany, making ours the most successful online campaign in the country. With the help of a systematic strategy and comprehensive A/B tests, we have managed to increase our annual fundraising campaign revenue by more than ten times in just five years. This success is the result of a data-driven approach that focuses primarily on donors and their behavior. This Fundraising Report reviews the findings gathered from our latest campaign and assesses how our work has developed over recent years. Thanks to extensive A/B tests and the technical infrastructure that we have built up over the years, we are constantly and systematically collecting data and insights. This allows us to analyze the behavior and payment methods of donors, which in turn helps us to plan and continually improve our campaigns. We have identified five main factors that contribute towards fundraising success at Wikimedia Deutschland, and this report discusses them in detail. *Five factors of successful banners* 1. Relevance: No association, no donation. Our results show that a personal appeal in banners, the use of key words, and particularly references to current events make our appeals more relevant and therefore more persuasive to potential donors. 2. Visibility is something one has to fight hard for. The time span we have in which to draw attention to our message is very short. This Fundraising Report presents findings relating to when is the best time for the banner to appear and analyzes various design decisions, including color scheme. 3. Closer to the reader: If there is one thing that the entire donation process should be–from reading the appeal through to completing a donation – it’s straightforward. The fewer clicks required, the better. This fact is nothing new, and it certainly does not only apply to us, but this report will explain the concrete application of this knowledge in the creation of successful banners. 4. Donation obstacles should be kept to a minimum. Two findings in particular have emerged from our previous years’ work: Firstly, including suggested donation amounts on the banner has proven to provide effective guidance for donors. The lower the sum, the higher the number of people who donate–and the overall success of a campaign is greater when more donors give smaller amounts. Secondly, the option to donate anonymously is very important to many donors. 5. Raising the campaign profile: It pays to communicate fundraising goals and show the progress of donations. In 2014 in particular we saw how effective the creation of dramatic moments within a campaign can be. This report also touches on a surprising topic: the principle of “social proof” demonstrates how the behavior of a group can motivate others to act in the same way, yet Wikimedia Deutschland’s fundraising campaign made good use of the reverse of this effect. Looking back, the five factors all played a crucial role in the success of our campaigns; and looking ahead, their importance for the international movement stretches far beyond monetary matters. We should all see fundraising as the start of a relationship – one that requires continuous care and attention. *Fundraising is not about banners only* Our goal for the future is to persuade donors to become long-term supporters of free knowledge and the Wikimedia movement. This report provides a glimpse into our strategy on how to maintain and consolidate our donor relationships, which are built on three main pillars: regular contact, targeted appeals, and personal dialogue–all things that are not possible through communication via banners alone. This report discusses the enormous benefits that stand to be gained from attracting long-term support for the Wikimedia mission. Using the example of donation certificates, this report will show how we benefit from taking the wishes and expectations of donors seriously. Our postal and electronic mailings are proof of how target-group-specific content and communication strategies can ensure long-term
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and Paste Detection Bot
Hi, James. Is the source code available anywhere? IF you want to try your bot in other languages, I could help you with testing in Russian Wikipedia :) Best regards. rubin16 2015-04-03 12:07 GMT+03:00 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com: The new and improved version of the copy and detection bot that we at [[WP: MED]] have been using for nearly a year [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright here] is nearly ready to be expanded to other topic areas. It can be found here [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright/rc]. If you install the common.js code it will give you buttons to click to indicate follow up of concerns. Additionally one can sort the edits in question by WikiProject. We are working to set up auto-archiving such that once concerns are dealt with they will be removed from the main list. We also want to have automatic compilation of data such as the frequency of true positives and false positives generated by the bot. A blacklist of sites that are know mirrors of Wikipedia is here [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright/Blacklist]. As this list is improved / expanded the accuracy of the bot will improve. Many thanks to [[User:ערן]] for his amazing work. The bot also has the potential to work in other languages. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path
That's the question of trust: there have been too many situations recently when WMF asked us just to believe: - believe that there were reasons to ban somebody (Russavia) - believe that there were reasons to switch-off fundraising in Russia - believe that most readers prefer MultimediaViewer - believe that there is positive feedback and results from existing annoying banners for fundraising. I don't want to believe, I want to have transparency. rubin 2015-01-20 15:11 GMT+03:00 Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org: As has been explained multiple times in multiple places, the WMF have been advised, for very good legal reasons, not to give details. Believe it or not, there's a sensible reason behind our refusal to comment: we can execute global bans for a wide variety of things (see the Terms of Use for some examples - and no, provoking Jimbo is not on the list), some of which - including child protection issues - could be quite dangerous to openly divulge. Let's say we execute five global bans, and tell you the reason behind four of them. Well, the remaining one is pretty clearly for something really bad, and open knowledge of that could endanger the user, their family, any potential law enforcement case, and could result in a quite real miscarriage of justice and/or someone being placed in real physical danger. So no, we - as with most internet companies - have a very strict policy that we do not comment publicly on the reason for global bans. It's a common sense policy and one that's followed by - and insisted upon - by almost every reasonable, responsible company that executes this type of action. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 04:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC) from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#Ban_to_Russavia Chris On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, rubin.happy wrote: Bans without explanations are certainly not acceptible. rubin 2015-01-20 14:18 GMT+03:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org: It is now clear that the superprotect affair was only a preliminary move. Now they hide themselves behind a collective account https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMFOffice issuing batches of global locks https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog; type=globalauthuser=WMFOfficeyear=2015month=1 and writing boilerplate replies https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk: WMFOfficediff=10982297. As with the superprotect, the how is to blame, not the what. Note that I do not object global locks at all. What I object is the lack of a published reason for them, and the community interaction that Lila called so deeply for. They can play with the Terms Of Use, protecting any page on any project and global-locking any account to protect the integrity and safety of the site and users, actually at their sole discretion. The breach of trust is complete now. The only thing that may stop me from leaving the projects for good is my loyalty to the volunteer community. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org www.sucs.org/~cmckenna The essential things in life are seen not with the eyes, but with the heart Antoine de Saint Exupery ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path
Bans without explanations are certainly not acceptible. rubin 2015-01-20 14:18 GMT+03:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org: It is now clear that the superprotect affair was only a preliminary move. Now they hide themselves behind a collective account https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMFOffice issuing batches of global locks https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog; type=globalauthuser=WMFOfficeyear=2015month=1 and writing boilerplate replies https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk: WMFOfficediff=10982297. As with the superprotect, the how is to blame, not the what. Note that I do not object global locks at all. What I object is the lack of a published reason for them, and the community interaction that Lila called so deeply for. They can play with the Terms Of Use, protecting any page on any project and global-locking any account to protect the integrity and safety of the site and users, actually at their sole discretion. The breach of trust is complete now. The only thing that may stop me from leaving the projects for good is my loyalty to the volunteer community. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]
I was resubscribed, too. rubin16 2015-01-10 19:12 GMT+03:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from this group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying to unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc). The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more effect... I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know. Luis Lodewijk On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in wrote: I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group. Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along. [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.] Thanks- Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer.* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)
No response yet :( 2014-12-03 16:09 GMT+03:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands and impossible from Russia [did they get a response yet, by the way?] I'd also add that I'll keep it short as a subject-line for the fundraising email feels to me like an Americanism that would be far too casual to be taken seriously in many other cultures. -Liam ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
Update: now we have something about 2 weeks without explanations and without fundraising in Russia. WMF, are you still with us? :) Linar 2014-11-16 13:36 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Nov 14, 2014 10:00 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on. They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not likely to result in something that will be sustainable and popular. If you try something enough of times, while learning from your previous mistakes, you will eventually succeed. That's something which state bureaucracies know, while we didn't learn yet. There are numerous projects existing in the wild, which cover particular topic better than Wikipedia. The only larger encyclopedia in specific language is the Chinese one (Baidu's one, if I remember well). I could list a number of Wikipedia language editions, which could be easily become irrelevant with not that much of money and decent organization. Among them, there is at least one very large language (though, not Russian; though, Russian authorities are capable to put much more resources into the project). Keep in mind that what is important to us is not important to the vast majority of intellectual elites all over the world. Most importantly, free license. If Russian authorities create a framework which would reasonably cover the issue of free accessibility, it would be practically the same for Russian (and not just Russian) scholars willing to share their knowledge. If you add over that a kind of stricter hierarchical approach to publishing materials, scholars would actually prefer that encyclopedia instead of Wikipedia. And if that becomes a successful model, we'd lose other projects, one by one. At some point of time it wouldn't be a matter of global politics anymore, but our model would become obsolete. They won't get their own movement, but we will lose our own. Except if we realize that we are dealing *now* with the future of our existence and start working on that as soon as possible, as better as we know. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on. They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not likely to result in something that will be sustainable and popular. PS: I really believed that we will see some sufficient comment from WMF about particular reasons, local laws changed that caused such block of fundraising, etc. but my trust in WMF is leaving me from day to day. I am really disappointed that WMF puts some own interests as a priority and ignores questions from the local community of not the smallest project - Russian Wikipedia. Imagine that such user as me who is the oldest 'crat of ru.wiki, has long history of contribution to local and global Wikimedia activities, already doesn't believe that it was a justified and reasonable decision and not political action by WMF. And now imagine what new or inexperienced readers and editors in Russia should think when they hear about such an unfriendly action from company based in the USA, the country we have not perfect relations with at the moment I am tired of knocking to the closed door, so, let it be as it is, I don't care about it anymore: we have local activities, we have sensible editors (not only in ru.wiki but also in other projects as comments to this mailing list have shown), so, we should work for the overall idea despite some existing inefficiencies like WMF. 14 нояб. 2014 г. 23:31 пользователь Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com написал: Dorożyński Janusz, 14/11/2014 14:59: Really, we want help and we can help, especially locals, i.e. Russian folks. Too late? It seems the Russian government immediately seized the opportunity of a weaker position of Wikipedia in the public opinion. (You probably already saw, but anyway.) http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/us-russia-wikipedia-alternative- idINKCN0IY1YT20141114 They have a habit of sanctions and counter-sanctions by now... Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
Hi, Geoff! Thank you for your answer. The main question remains the same: what particular local legislature are you considering as a risk at the moment? Probably, we can help you in its assessment from our local view or we can start our work on some amendments to our laws so that the issue will be somehow solved in the future (we already have some successful experience in it, for example - http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/17/wikimedia-ru-changes-russian-civil-code/ ). I do understand that you are in the process of the assessment of current situation, we are not asking you for final decisions or conclusions, and I am not going to put WMF in charge of the preliminary thoughts shown. At least we would be happy to hear the reason of the fundraising stopped yesterday (or some days ago) but not a month ago/a year ago: we have difficult legislature, it's not to easy to work for us, but this is a permanent situation. There were no significant legislature updates in the recent time that we are aware of, that's why we still don't understand what could change you assessment. Best regards, Linar 2014-11-13 23:08 GMT+03:00 Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org: Hello rubin16 and all, I wanted to follow up on Lisa's email. As she said, the decision to limit fundraising in Russia was not a political decision or a response to sanctions or US laws on Russia. We are a diverse, global movement that spans the world, and we exist mostly online. However, our work takes place in the physical world, and each country has its own unique operating environment. At the WMF, we are constantly assessing what this means for the work of the movement. In that context, we feel that laws in Russia offer a number of possible interpretations. So, out of an abundance of caution, we are not taking donations from Russia right now. If we feel the situation changes, we'll let people know. As Lisa also said, this does and will not have any impact at all on how the WMF continues to support the Russian language Wikipedia, and its sister projects. We pool our funding and make our budget decisions independently from the geographical source, if any, of the funding. We hear your point on transparency and advance notice, and it is a fair one. That said, sometimes we will need to quickly pause fundraising operations in different places while we gain clarity around how best to operate. We are making numerous decisions every day to respond to a wide variety of issues and considerations. I would like to commit to advance notice, but I don't think that will always be possible given the need for flexibility and speed at times. Nevertheless, I am reflecting on how to better address an issue like this in the future. I appreciate the additional questions, but, as these are matters currently under consideration, I'm not in a position to share further right now. Thank you, Geoff ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] fundraising blocked in Russia
Hello, guys! We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked when user is from Russia: http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc237184.png The only WMF comment I received in #wikimedia-fundraising was that we don't run fundraising in Russia at the moment. Russia is now blacklisted like Libya, like Congo, like Iraq. I always though that WMF is free from politics and tends to be transparent, but why such a decision was made? And why nobody informed us (at least, Wikimedia RU) about it? Now we are starting to receive negative feedbacks from users and readers who treat WMF as a politically motivated organization, not a non-profit organization promoting free knowledge. And as we got no comments from Fundraising team and have no idea what happened, we at Wikimedia RU are not able to cope with such negative publicity. It's now late evening in Russia, but the messages were already posted to some top websites of Russia, and this will be promoted quickly via social networks: so, tomorrow will be a bad day for wiki-movement in our country. WMF, I want to thank you a lot for your transparency. rubin16 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
There were no recent changes in sanctions and I don't understand why this turn off in donations happened just now. Ideas about SWIFT kick out are not relevant here, as it was just a discussion some months ago but no such action happened. Furthermore, the sanctions were placed on particular companies and individuals, there were no prohibitions against all financial relations. So, I could understand if donations weren't accepted when they were sent via a couple of banks under sanctions, but I want to repeat that there is, for example, no prohibition to receive money from Russians. rubin16 13 нояб. 2014 г. 4:01 пользователь David Gerard dger...@gmail.com написал: I'm presuming this is sanctions against Russia kicking in; all sorts of business has been stopped dead in its tracks, not just charity donations. There's even serious moves to kick Russia out of the SWIFT network: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/ultimate-sanction-barring-russian-banks-from-swift-money-system It strikes me as quite unlikely that there's anything at all WMF can actually do about this. Possibly it could have been handled better, but that won't change the fact. On 13 November 2014 00:12, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I'm sure that you're correct here Joseph, but this is another example I think where the Foundation should have notified the relevant chapter *before* taking the action, so that they would be ready when the questions started rolling in. Unfortunately, I think we're getting back to the bad old days of chapter and user group press contacts being the last people to find out about potentially controversial issues like this. Regards, Craig Franklin (personal view only) On 13 November 2014 10:07, Joseph Seddon josephsed...@gmail.com wrote: I would hate to preclude any answer from the foundation. However the laws that govern the foundation are that of the US. Given the previous and renewed ongoing palaver with Ukraine and the presence of economic sanctions and the increasing likelihood of on top of what is already present, I imagine this related to that. Im not sure of what legal risks accepting such donations would expose the foundation to. However such precautions have been made in the past relating to unrest. Its no slight on the country or its individuals, just a precautionary measure. Seddon On 12 Nov 2014 19:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48: We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked when user is from Russia: http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc2371 84.png Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by clicking the Russia link in https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try sending a wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a PayPal donation? Nemo P.s.: ROTFLOL Please email don...@wikimedia.org for more information on how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation. In case someone forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA. ___ Fundraiser mailing list fundrai...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fundraiser ___ Fundraiser mailing list fundrai...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/fundraiser ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia
Hello, Lisa. Could you, please, provide us with more details? - why did it happen just now though restrictions due to the US sanctions were I'mposed quite a long time ago? Probably, you have received some warning from authorities, haven't you? - what is the exact problem and applicable legislative restriction? Have your bank stopped processing of payments from Russia or have something else happen? - is it an indefinite stop of fundraising here (till the end of sanctions)? You know, relations between Russia and the US are not in their perfect state and this a sensitive question where we need maximum of information to make readers believe that it is not a political campaign of US-based WMF . rubin16 13 нояб. 2014 г. 6:46 пользователь Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org написал: Hello rubin16, We are not running fundraising in Russia at this time, but I want to assure you that this was not a decision motivated by politics. We take compliance with appropriate laws very seriously in everything we do. Out of an abundance of caution, we're not fundraising in Russia right now. Of course, the fact that we are not fundraising in Russia does and will not have any impact at all on how the WMF continues to support the Russian language Wikipedia, its sister projects, and the Russian Wikimedian community. Thank you, Lisa Gruwell On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote: There were no recent changes in sanctions and I don't understand why this turn off in donations happened just now. Ideas about SWIFT kick out are not relevant here, as it was just a discussion some months ago but no such action happened. Furthermore, the sanctions were placed on particular companies and individuals, there were no prohibitions against all financial relations. So, I could understand if donations weren't accepted when they were sent via a couple of banks under sanctions, but I want to repeat that there is, for example, no prohibition to receive money from Russians. rubin16 13 нояб. 2014 г. 4:01 пользователь David Gerard dger...@gmail.com написал: I'm presuming this is sanctions against Russia kicking in; all sorts of business has been stopped dead in its tracks, not just charity donations. There's even serious moves to kick Russia out of the SWIFT network: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/ultimate-sanction-barring-russian-banks-from-swift-money-system It strikes me as quite unlikely that there's anything at all WMF can actually do about this. Possibly it could have been handled better, but that won't change the fact. On 13 November 2014 00:12, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: I'm sure that you're correct here Joseph, but this is another example I think where the Foundation should have notified the relevant chapter *before* taking the action, so that they would be ready when the questions started rolling in. Unfortunately, I think we're getting back to the bad old days of chapter and user group press contacts being the last people to find out about potentially controversial issues like this. Regards, Craig Franklin (personal view only) On 13 November 2014 10:07, Joseph Seddon josephsed...@gmail.com wrote: I would hate to preclude any answer from the foundation. However the laws that govern the foundation are that of the US. Given the previous and renewed ongoing palaver with Ukraine and the presence of economic sanctions and the increasing likelihood of on top of what is already present, I imagine this related to that. Im not sure of what legal risks accepting such donations would expose the foundation to. However such precautions have been made in the past relating to unrest. Its no slight on the country or its individuals, just a precautionary measure. Seddon On 12 Nov 2014 19:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48: We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked when user is from Russia: http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc2371 84.png Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by clicking the Russia link in https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try sending a wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a PayPal donation? Nemo P.s.: ROTFLOL Please email don...@wikimedia.org for more information on how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation. In case someone forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA. ___ Fundraiser mailing list fundrai...@lists.wikimedia.org
