Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland - Fundraising Report

2015-05-11 Thread rubin.happy
Hi, guys!

Thank you for publication, that is very interesting for other chapters, too.

rubin16
11 мая 2015 г. 12:12 пользователь Till Mletzko till.mlet...@wikimedia.de
написал:

 Hi everyone,

 We just released our new WMDE fundraising report. See the detailed
 report here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/Chapters/WMDE_2014_Report

 There is also an executive summary of the report on the movement blog:
 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/08/fundraising-made-in-germany/

 Cheers,
 Till

 *_Executive Summary_*
 From € 700,00 to € 8,200,000 in less than five years. That is an
 astonishing development. But fundraising is not just about money.

 Fundraising at Wikimedia Deutschland, and across the entire Wikimedia
 movement, not only helps us achieve financial goals, it also helps raise
 awareness for our mission. We reach several million people each day
 during our fundraising campaign in Germany, making ours the most
 successful online campaign in the country. With the help of a systematic
 strategy and comprehensive A/B tests, we have managed to increase our
 annual fundraising campaign revenue by more than ten times in just five
 years. This success is the result of a data-driven approach that focuses
 primarily on donors and their behavior.

 This Fundraising Report reviews the findings gathered from our latest
 campaign and assesses how our work has developed over recent years.
 Thanks to extensive A/B tests and the technical infrastructure that we
 have built up over the years, we are constantly and systematically
 collecting data and insights. This allows us to analyze the behavior and
 payment methods of donors, which in turn helps us to plan and
 continually improve our campaigns. We have identified five main factors
 that contribute towards fundraising success at Wikimedia Deutschland,
 and this report discusses them in detail.

 *Five factors of successful banners*

 1. Relevance: No association, no donation. Our results show that a
 personal appeal in banners, the use of key words, and particularly
 references to current events make our appeals more relevant and
 therefore more persuasive to potential donors.

 2. Visibility is something one has to fight hard for. The time span we
 have in which to draw attention to our message is very short. This
 Fundraising Report presents findings relating to when is the best time
 for the banner to appear and analyzes various design decisions,
 including color scheme.

 3. Closer to the reader: If there is one thing that the entire donation
 process should be–from reading the appeal through to completing a
 donation – it’s straightforward. The fewer clicks required, the better.
 This fact is nothing new, and it certainly does not only apply to us,
 but this report will explain the concrete application of this knowledge
 in the creation of successful banners.

 4. Donation obstacles should be kept to a minimum. Two findings in
 particular have emerged from our previous years’ work: Firstly,
 including suggested donation amounts on the banner has proven to provide
 effective guidance for donors. The lower the sum, the higher the number
 of people who donate–and the overall success of a campaign is greater
 when more donors give smaller amounts. Secondly, the option to donate
 anonymously is very important to many donors.

 5. Raising the campaign profile: It pays to communicate fundraising
 goals and show the progress of donations. In 2014 in particular we saw
 how effective the creation of dramatic moments within a campaign can be.
 This report also touches on a surprising topic: the principle of “social
 proof” demonstrates how the behavior of a group can motivate others to
 act in the same way, yet Wikimedia Deutschland’s fundraising campaign
 made good use of the reverse of this effect.

 Looking back, the five factors all played a crucial role in the success
 of our campaigns; and looking ahead, their importance for the
 international movement stretches far beyond monetary matters. We should
 all see fundraising as the start of a relationship – one that requires
 continuous care and attention.

 *Fundraising is not about banners only*

 Our goal for the future is to persuade donors to become long-term
 supporters of free knowledge and the Wikimedia movement. This report
 provides a glimpse into our strategy on how to maintain and consolidate
 our donor relationships, which are built on three main pillars: regular
 contact, targeted appeals, and personal dialogue–all things that are not
 possible through communication via banners alone. This report discusses
 the enormous benefits that stand to be gained from attracting long-term
 support for the Wikimedia mission.

 Using the example of donation certificates, this report will show how we
 benefit from taking the wishes and expectations of donors seriously. Our
 postal and electronic mailings are proof of how target-group-specific
 content and communication strategies can ensure long-term 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copy and Paste Detection Bot

2015-04-03 Thread rubin.happy
Hi, James.

Is the source code available anywhere?
IF you want to try your bot in other languages, I could help you with
testing in Russian Wikipedia :)

Best regards.
rubin16

2015-04-03 12:07 GMT+03:00 James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com:

 The new and improved version of the copy and detection bot that we at [[WP:
 MED]] have been using for nearly a year [
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright here] is nearly ready
 to be expanded to other topic areas.

 It can be found here [
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright/rc]. If you install
 the common.js code it will give you buttons to click to indicate follow up
 of concerns. Additionally one can sort the edits in question by
 WikiProject. We are working to set up auto-archiving such that once
 concerns are dealt with they will be removed from the main list.

 We also want to have automatic compilation of data such as the frequency of
 true positives and false positives generated by the bot. A blacklist of
 sites that are know mirrors of Wikipedia is here [
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EranBot/Copyright/Blacklist]. As this
 list is improved / expanded the accuracy of the bot will improve. Many
 thanks to [[User:ערן]] for his amazing work.

 The bot also has  the potential to work in other languages.

 --
 James Heilman
 MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

 The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
 www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path

2015-01-20 Thread rubin.happy
That's the question of trust: there have been too many situations recently
when WMF asked us just to believe:

- believe that there were reasons to ban somebody (Russavia)
- believe that there were reasons to switch-off fundraising in Russia
- believe that most readers prefer MultimediaViewer
- believe that there is positive feedback and results from existing
annoying banners for fundraising.

I don't want to believe, I want to have transparency.

rubin

2015-01-20 15:11 GMT+03:00 Chris McKenna cmcke...@sucs.org:

 As has been explained multiple times in multiple places, the WMF have been
 advised, for very good legal reasons, not to give details.

 Believe it or not, there's a sensible reason behind our refusal to
 comment: we can execute global bans for a wide variety of things (see the
 Terms of Use for some examples - and no, provoking Jimbo is not on the
 list), some of which - including child protection issues - could be quite
 dangerous to openly divulge. Let's say we execute five global bans, and
 tell you the reason behind four of them. Well, the remaining one is pretty
 clearly for something really bad, and open knowledge of that could
 endanger the user, their family, any potential law enforcement case, and
 could result in a quite real miscarriage of justice and/or someone being
 placed in real physical danger. So no, we - as with most internet companies
 - have a very strict policy that we do not comment publicly on the reason
 for global bans. It's a common sense policy and one that's followed by -
 and insisted upon - by almost every reasonable, responsible company that
 executes this type of action. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation
 (talk) 04:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

 from https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:WMFOffice#Ban_to_Russavia

 Chris


 On Tue, 20 Jan 2015, rubin.happy wrote:

  Bans without explanations are certainly not acceptible.

 rubin

 2015-01-20 14:18 GMT+03:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org:

  It is now clear that the superprotect affair was only a preliminary move.
 Now they hide themselves behind a collective account 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMFOffice issuing batches of
 global
 locks https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog;
 type=globalauthuser=WMFOfficeyear=2015month=1 and writing
 boilerplate
 replies https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:
 WMFOfficediff=10982297.
 As with the superprotect, the how is to blame, not the what. Note that I
 do not object global locks at all.
 What I object is the lack of a published reason for them, and the
 community interaction that Lila called so deeply for.
 They can play with the Terms Of Use, protecting any page on any project
 and global-locking any account to protect the integrity and safety of
 the
 site and users, actually at their sole discretion.
 The breach of trust is complete now. The only thing that may stop me from
 leaving the projects for good is my loyalty to the volunteer community.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF has lost its path

2015-01-20 Thread rubin.happy
Bans without explanations are certainly not acceptible.

rubin

2015-01-20 14:18 GMT+03:00 Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org:

 It is now clear that the superprotect affair was only a preliminary move.
 Now they hide themselves behind a collective account 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WMFOffice issuing batches of global
 locks https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog;
 type=globalauthuser=WMFOfficeyear=2015month=1 and writing boilerplate
 replies https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:
 WMFOfficediff=10982297.
 As with the superprotect, the how is to blame, not the what. Note that I
 do not object global locks at all.
 What I object is the lack of a published reason for them, and the
 community interaction that Lila called so deeply for.
 They can play with the Terms Of Use, protecting any page on any project
 and global-locking any account to protect the integrity and safety of the
 site and users, actually at their sole discretion.
 The breach of trust is complete now. The only thing that may stop me from
 leaving the projects for good is my loyalty to the volunteer community.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: Wikimedia-l Google Group]

2015-01-10 Thread rubin.happy
I was resubscribed, too.

rubin16

2015-01-10 19:12 GMT+03:00 Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org:

 On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 1:56 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org
 wrote:

  This sounds silly, but somehow it seems quite hard to unsubscribe from
 this
  group, if you have multiple google accounts (google thinks you're trying
 to
  unsubscribe with an account that is not subscribed etc).
 
  The previous time this happened, it has been reported to google dozens of
  times without anything being done. I hope your direct contact has more
  effect...


 I'll pass that on. Also, if anyone has reports of being resubscribed after
 unsubscribing (I've already seen two?) please let me know.

 Luis


 
  Lodewijk
 
  On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 
   On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar karthik...@wikimedia.in
 
   wrote:
  
I think it will be better if most of us can Report the Group.
  
  
   Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to
  resolve
   the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been
   fraudulently subscribed will help move that conversation along.
  
   [Same applies to the fake gender-gap list.]
  
   Thanks-
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread rubin.happy
No response yet :(

2014-12-03 16:09 GMT+03:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:

 -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest
 possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent
 discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands and
 impossible from Russia [did they get a response yet, by the way?] I'd also
 add that I'll keep it short as a subject-line for the fundraising email
 feels to me like an Americanism that would be far too casual to be taken
 seriously in many other cultures.


 -Liam
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-28 Thread rubin.happy
Update: now we have something about 2 weeks without explanations and
without fundraising in Russia.
WMF, are you still with us? :)

Linar

2014-11-16 13:36 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:

 On Nov 14, 2014 10:00 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to
  create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on.
 
  They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not
  likely to result in something that will be sustainable and popular.

 If you try something enough of times, while learning from your previous
 mistakes, you will eventually succeed. That's something which state
 bureaucracies know, while we didn't learn yet.

 There are numerous projects existing in the wild, which cover particular
 topic better than Wikipedia. The only larger encyclopedia in specific
 language is the Chinese one (Baidu's one, if I remember well).

 I could list a number of Wikipedia language editions, which could be easily
 become irrelevant with not that much of money and decent organization.
 Among them, there is at least one very large language (though, not Russian;
 though, Russian authorities are capable to put much more resources into the
 project).

 Keep in mind that what is important to us is not important to the vast
 majority of intellectual elites all over the world. Most importantly, free
 license.

 If Russian authorities create a framework which would reasonably cover the
 issue of free accessibility, it would be practically the same for Russian
 (and not just Russian) scholars willing to share their knowledge. If you
 add over that a kind of stricter hierarchical approach to publishing
 materials, scholars would actually prefer that encyclopedia instead of
 Wikipedia.

 And if that becomes a successful  model, we'd lose other projects, one by
 one. At some point of time it wouldn't be a matter of global politics
 anymore, but our model would become obsolete.

 They won't get their own movement, but we will lose our own. Except if we
 realize that we are dealing *now* with the future of our existence and
 start working on that as soon as possible, as better as we know.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-14 Thread rubin.happy
That's not the first, and even not the 10th attempt of our authorities to
create own Wikipedia, own YouTube and so on.

They will talk about it, they could even spend some budget but it's not
likely to result in something that will be sustainable and popular.

PS: I really believed that we will see some sufficient comment from WMF
about particular reasons, local laws changed that caused such block of
fundraising, etc. but my trust in WMF is leaving me from day to day. I am
really disappointed that WMF puts some own interests as a priority and
ignores questions from the local community of not the smallest project -
Russian Wikipedia.

Imagine that such user as me who is the oldest 'crat of ru.wiki, has long
history of contribution to local and global Wikimedia activities, already
doesn't believe that it was a justified and reasonable decision and not
political action by WMF. And now imagine what new or inexperienced readers
and editors in Russia should think when they hear about such an unfriendly
action from company based in the USA, the country we have not perfect
relations with at the moment

I am tired of knocking to the closed door, so, let it be as it is, I don't
care about it anymore: we have local activities, we have sensible editors
(not only in ru.wiki but also in other projects as comments to this mailing
list have shown), so, we should work for the overall idea despite some
existing inefficiencies like WMF.
14 нояб. 2014 г. 23:31 пользователь Federico Leva (Nemo) 
nemow...@gmail.com написал:

 Dorożyński Janusz, 14/11/2014 14:59:

 Really, we want help and we can help, especially locals, i.e. Russian
 folks.


 Too late? It seems the Russian government immediately seized the
 opportunity of a weaker position of Wikipedia in the public opinion. (You
 probably already saw, but anyway.)
 http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/14/us-russia-wikipedia-alternative-
 idINKCN0IY1YT20141114

 They have a habit of sanctions and counter-sanctions by now...

 Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-13 Thread rubin.happy
Hi, Geoff!

Thank you for your answer.

The main question remains the same: what particular local legislature are
you considering as a risk at the moment? Probably, we can help you in its
assessment from our local view or we can start our work on some amendments
to our laws so that the issue will be somehow solved in the future (we
already have some successful experience in it, for example - 
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/03/17/wikimedia-ru-changes-russian-civil-code/
).

I do understand that you are in the process of the assessment of current
situation, we are not asking you for final decisions or conclusions, and I
am not going to put WMF in charge of the preliminary thoughts shown.  At
least we would be happy to hear the reason of the fundraising stopped
yesterday (or some days ago) but not a month ago/a year ago: we have
difficult legislature, it's not to easy to work for us, but this is a
permanent situation. There were no significant legislature updates in the
recent time that we are aware of, that's why we still don't understand what
could change you assessment.

Best regards,
Linar

2014-11-13 23:08 GMT+03:00 Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.org:

 Hello rubin16 and all,

 I wanted to follow up on Lisa's email.  As she said, the decision to limit
 fundraising in Russia was not a political decision or a response to
 sanctions or US laws on Russia.

 We are a diverse, global movement that spans the world, and we exist mostly
 online. However, our work takes place in the physical world, and each
 country has its own unique operating environment. At the WMF, we are
 constantly assessing what this means for the work of the movement.

 In that context, we feel that laws in Russia offer a number of possible
 interpretations. So, out of an abundance of caution, we are not taking
 donations from Russia right now.  If we feel the situation changes, we'll
 let people know.

 As Lisa also said, this does and will not have any impact at all on how the
 WMF continues to support the Russian language Wikipedia, and its sister
 projects. We pool our funding and make our budget decisions independently
 from the geographical source, if any, of the funding.

 We hear your point on transparency and advance notice, and it is a fair
 one. That said, sometimes we will need to quickly pause fundraising
 operations in different places while we gain clarity around how best to
 operate.  We are making numerous decisions every day to respond to a wide
 variety of issues and considerations. I would like to commit to advance
 notice, but I don't think that will always be possible given the need for
 flexibility and speed at times. Nevertheless, I am reflecting on how to
 better address an issue like this in the future.

 I appreciate the additional questions, but, as these are matters currently
 under consideration, I'm not in a position to share further right now.

 Thank you,

 Geoff
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[Wikimedia-l] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-12 Thread rubin.happy
Hello, guys!

We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked when
user is from Russia:
http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc237184.png

The only WMF comment I received in #wikimedia-fundraising was that we
don't run fundraising in Russia at the moment. Russia is now blacklisted
like Libya, like Congo, like Iraq.

I always though that WMF is free from politics and tends to be transparent,
but why such a decision was made? And why nobody informed us (at least,
Wikimedia RU) about it?

Now we are starting to receive negative feedbacks from users and readers
who treat WMF as a politically motivated organization, not a non-profit
organization promoting free knowledge.

And as we got no comments from Fundraising team and have no idea what
happened, we at Wikimedia RU are not able to cope with such negative
publicity.

It's now late evening in Russia, but the messages were already posted to
some top websites of Russia, and this will be promoted quickly via social
networks: so, tomorrow will be a bad day for wiki-movement in our country.

WMF, I want to thank you a lot for your transparency.

rubin16
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-12 Thread rubin.happy
There were no recent changes in sanctions and I don't understand why this
turn off in donations happened just now.

Ideas about SWIFT kick out are not relevant here, as it was just a
discussion some months ago but no such action happened.

Furthermore, the sanctions were placed on particular companies and
individuals, there were no prohibitions against all financial relations.
So, I could understand if donations weren't accepted when they were sent
via a couple of banks under sanctions, but I want to repeat that there is,
for example, no prohibition to receive money from Russians.

rubin16
13 нояб. 2014 г. 4:01 пользователь David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
написал:

 I'm presuming this is sanctions against Russia kicking in; all sorts
 of business has been stopped dead in its tracks, not just charity
 donations. There's even serious moves to kick Russia out of the SWIFT
 network:
 http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/ultimate-sanction-barring-russian-banks-from-swift-money-system
 It strikes me as quite unlikely that there's anything at all WMF can
 actually do about this. Possibly it could have been handled better,
 but that won't change the fact.

 On 13 November 2014 00:12, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net
 wrote:
  I'm sure that you're correct here Joseph, but this is another example I
  think where the Foundation should have notified the relevant chapter
  *before* taking the action, so that they would be ready when the
 questions
  started rolling in.
 
  Unfortunately, I think we're getting back to the bad old days of chapter
  and user group press contacts being the last people to find out about
  potentially controversial issues like this.
 
  Regards,
  Craig Franklin
  (personal view only)
 
 
  On 13 November 2014 10:07, Joseph Seddon josephsed...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I would hate to preclude any answer from the foundation. However the
 laws
  that govern the foundation are that of the US. Given the previous and
  renewed ongoing palaver with Ukraine and the presence of economic
 sanctions
  and the increasing likelihood of on top of what is already present, I
  imagine this related to that.
 
  Im not sure of what legal risks accepting such donations would expose
 the
  foundation to. However such precautions have been made in the past
 relating
  to unrest.
 
  Its no slight on the country or its individuals, just a precautionary
  measure.
 
  Seddon
   On 12 Nov 2014 19:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48:
 
  We received some alerts from our users that donations are now blocked
  when user is from Russia:
 
 http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc2371
  84.png
 
 
  Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by
 clicking
  the Russia link in https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give
  Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try sending a
  wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a
 PayPal
  donation?
 
  Nemo
 
  P.s.: ROTFLOL Please email don...@wikimedia.org for more information
 on
  how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation. In case
 someone
  forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA.
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-12 Thread rubin.happy
Hello, Lisa.

Could you, please, provide us with more details?

- why did it happen just now though restrictions due to the US sanctions
were I'mposed quite a long time ago? Probably, you have received some
warning from authorities, haven't you?

- what is the exact problem and applicable legislative restriction? Have
your bank stopped processing of payments from Russia or have something else
happen?

- is it an indefinite stop of fundraising here (till the end of sanctions)?

You know, relations between Russia and the US are not in their perfect
state and this a sensitive question where we need maximum of information to
make readers believe that it is not a political campaign of US-based WMF .

rubin16
13 нояб. 2014 г. 6:46 пользователь Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org
написал:

 Hello rubin16,

 We are not running fundraising in Russia at this time, but I want to assure
 you that this was not a decision motivated by politics.

 We take compliance with appropriate laws very seriously in everything we
 do. Out of an abundance of caution, we're not fundraising in Russia right
 now.

 Of course, the fact that we are not fundraising in Russia does and will not
 have any impact at all on how the WMF continues to support the Russian
 language Wikipedia, its sister projects, and the Russian Wikimedian
 community.

 Thank you,
 Lisa Gruwell

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 7:44 PM, rubin.happy rubin.ha...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  There were no recent changes in sanctions and I don't understand why this
  turn off in donations happened just now.
 
  Ideas about SWIFT kick out are not relevant here, as it was just a
  discussion some months ago but no such action happened.
 
  Furthermore, the sanctions were placed on particular companies and
  individuals, there were no prohibitions against all financial relations.
  So, I could understand if donations weren't accepted when they were sent
  via a couple of banks under sanctions, but I want to repeat that there
 is,
  for example, no prohibition to receive money from Russians.
 
  rubin16
  13 нояб. 2014 г. 4:01 пользователь David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
  написал:
 
   I'm presuming this is sanctions against Russia kicking in; all sorts
   of business has been stopped dead in its tracks, not just charity
   donations. There's even serious moves to kick Russia out of the SWIFT
   network:
  
 
 http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-04/ultimate-sanction-barring-russian-banks-from-swift-money-system
   It strikes me as quite unlikely that there's anything at all WMF can
   actually do about this. Possibly it could have been handled better,
   but that won't change the fact.
  
   On 13 November 2014 00:12, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net
   wrote:
I'm sure that you're correct here Joseph, but this is another
 example I
think where the Foundation should have notified the relevant chapter
*before* taking the action, so that they would be ready when the
   questions
started rolling in.
   
Unfortunately, I think we're getting back to the bad old days of
  chapter
and user group press contacts being the last people to find out about
potentially controversial issues like this.
   
Regards,
Craig Franklin
(personal view only)
   
   
On 13 November 2014 10:07, Joseph Seddon josephsed...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
I would hate to preclude any answer from the foundation. However the
   laws
that govern the foundation are that of the US. Given the previous
 and
renewed ongoing palaver with Ukraine and the presence of economic
   sanctions
and the increasing likelihood of on top of what is already present,
 I
imagine this related to that.
   
Im not sure of what legal risks accepting such donations would
 expose
   the
foundation to. However such precautions have been made in the past
   relating
to unrest.
   
Its no slight on the country or its individuals, just a
 precautionary
measure.
   
Seddon
 On 12 Nov 2014 19:48, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
rubin.happy, 12/11/2014 18:48:
   
We received some alerts from our users that donations are now
  blocked
when user is from Russia:
   
  
 http://habrastorage.org/files/31b/b1f/ec9/31bb1fec9b9e45abb6ac4babcc2371
84.png
   
   
Thanks for the information. Everyone can see the same warning by
   clicking
the Russia link in
  https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give
Through what channels are donations blocked? Did anyone try
 sending a
wire to the EU (SEPA) account (IBAN GB54CHAS60924241034640), or a
   PayPal
donation?
   
Nemo
   
P.s.: ROTFLOL Please email don...@wikimedia.org for more
  information
   on
how to make a bank transfer to the Wikimedia Foundation. In case
   someone
forgets there is an ocean between Europe and USA.
   
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