Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-07-22 Thread rupert THURNER
victoria, discussions to monetize the wikipedia content in one or the other way are as old as wikipedia. some people say "why should i continue editing and supporting wikipedia in my free time, or donate money, attracted by the vision to make it available to all, without condition, when WMF starts

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Tech: New Format for 2020 Wishlist Survey

2019-10-03 Thread rupert THURNER
Extremely cool move, thank you! Rupert On Thu, Oct 3, 2019, 18:31 Ilana Fried wrote: > Hello, everyone! > > My name is Ilana, and I'm the product manager for the Community Tech team. > We’re excited to share an update on the Community Tech 2020 Wishlist Survey >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal forced HTTPS backdoor in Kazakhstan

2019-07-22 Thread rupert THURNER
displaying a warning that there is a MITM which reads all passwords and banking information sounds nice, yuri. there even seems to be ways to detect this client-server side: - you mean something

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-16 Thread rupert THURNER
abhinav, i read that the membership fee is 100 INR, which is the price of a beer. that sounds fair. how many members do you currently have? do you use the annual fundraising page to let people know that they can become members like e.g. wikimedia deutschland (WMDE) does? WMDE, by using this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-18 Thread rupert THURNER
On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 7:33 PM James Heilman wrote: > With respect to popularity per Alexa: > > Wikipedia is 5th > Wikimedia is 276 (includes both Commons and Wikispecies) > Wiktionary is 432 > Wikibooks is 1,892 > Wikisource is 2,790 > Wikiquote is 3,953 > Wikidata is 8,848 > Wikiversity is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Farewell, Erik!

2019-02-07 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks erik and all the best!! One sentence in eriks blog post cited i found surprising. What type of modesty you guys were talking about? "At Wikimania London (2014) I talked about how we should err on the side of modesty. That message never came across. I started to have a discussion on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] August 2018 "Community Metrics and Activities Meeting"

2018-08-05 Thread rupert THURNER
pine, i find the lack of feedback a pity, so let me give at least my personal impression. "activities and metrics" sounded bureaucratic, and it sounded like work, not rewarding. the opposite of fun. not sure if a regular meetup would work better? a hangout? same time all the time. no matter how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia Foundation's FY18-19 Annual Plan is on Meta-wiki

2018-07-01 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 3:36 PM James Salsman wrote: > On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Pine W wrote: > > WMF APs consistently fail to meet my expectations > > Pine do you have a list of specific flaws somewhere? You have good > advice, but I've lost track of much of it. > ha, yes, me too. i

[Wikimedia-l] WMFR financials, 1.2 mio budget, team of 15 FTE

2017-10-14 Thread rupert THURNER
the linkedin page of emeric says that WMFR has 1.2 Mio Eur budget, 15 FTE employees. which year was this? DirectorCompany NameWikimédia FranceDates EmployedDec 2012 – Sep 2017 Employment Duration4 yrs 10 mosLocationMontpellier | Paris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-28 Thread rupert THURNER
i do agree with john erling blad, peter southwood and others. this list is 15 years old, and has less traffic nowadays. see years ago it had between 400 and 600 mails a month, nowadays it is approaching half of it, imo a list admin should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mailing list usability: Observations about Mailman 3

2017-08-17 Thread rupert THURNER
Interesting thanks for the pointer. Compared to the options listed there a mailman upgrade looks rather straight forward and, personally I d really appreciate if it could be done, for the benefits Eric listed. Rupert On Aug 16, 2017 00:54, "Niharika Kohli" wrote: > A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 25 June 2017)

2017-07-01 Thread rupert THURNER
katherine maher already made 4 edits in 6 monts: (not counting bureaucratic pages like talk, meta, as nobody gives money for them) if 2 billion persons with internet capability on this planet would do like here wikipedia would ahve 8 billtion edits in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funds Dissemination Committee Recommendations - Round 2 of 2016-17

2017-05-17 Thread rupert THURNER
> > > On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Risker <> wrote: > > > On 16 May 2017 at 11:52, rupert THURNER <> > wrote: > > > > > Why the amount is missing for the WMF? > > > > > > Rupert > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Funds Dissemination Committee Recommendations - Round 2 of 2016-17

2017-05-16 Thread rupert THURNER
Why the amount is missing for the WMF? Rupert On May 15, 2017 12:21 PM, "Risker" wrote: > Dear Wikimedians, > > > The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) meets twice a year to make > recommendations about how to effectively allocate movement funds to achieve > the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-25 Thread rupert THURNER
i got two further links in private mails which seem helpful in this area. first, a page on commons which suggests to split commons in "safe" and "not safe". besides putting the license info and attribution into the picture this would be my personal favourite, as it can be easy explained to users:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Hardware donation program

2017-03-17 Thread rupert THURNER
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 6:06 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > We currently have approximately 20 laptops ready to be donated. > Applications are welcome. asaf, you mind loose a word about the spec or brand of these laptops? fyi, in CH we work with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Draft Code of Conduct for Technical Spaces

2017-03-07 Thread rupert THURNER
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > On 8 March 2017 at 06:45, MZMcBride wrote: >> Risker wrote: >> >I am very curious. Why is it that there seems to be so much resistance to >> >this draft code of conduct? >> >> You may find

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-05 Thread rupert THURNER
case 1: daniel pugge has a single person enterprise, and a blog. out of wordpress he linked to the "juice plus" wikipedia article with marco almbauers picture on it. the wordpress preview showing the thumbnail of the linked article. marco then used the services of kurt kulac, former president of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-04 Thread rupert THURNER
can >> see why people are a bit put out when someone won't do these very minimal >> things in exchange for a rich library of free (as in speech and beer) >> material. >> >> Todd >> >> On Mar 1, 2017 10:44 PM, "rupert THURNER" <rupert.thur...@g

[Wikimedia-l] a second commons, prevent cease and desist business

2017-03-01 Thread rupert THURNER
on the german wikipedia there was a poll to ban images of users who send cease and desist letters, triggered by a recent case of thomas wolf trying to charge 1200 euro out of a tiny non-profit which improperly reused one of his images [1]. thomas article work includs "improving text deserts, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2017-02-11 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I share the opinion that moderation actions should be transparent. So: > > I have now placed Gerard Meijssen on moderation. He has been posting very > frequently to the list, far exceeding the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

2017-01-10 Thread rupert THURNER
Rogol, a good start into 2017! I have difficulties understanding your question, especially why you are asking it now. This topic was discussed quite often and for a long time to justify putting money behind talking at least imo. you are unhappy a restricted grant was received without community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Passing of User:Danveg, and reminder about people in distress

2017-01-04 Thread rupert THURNER
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:34 AM, James Alexander wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:16 PM Gnangarra wrote: > > > Maybe we should invite the affiliates to put together and maintain a > > resource page on Meta with contact details for such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

2016-11-21 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > And if we disregard any application of common sense, then yes, you could > argue that a technical code of conduct is needed. When you consider the > actual context, however, it becomes pretty clear that this is unnecessary >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor safety and anonymity: ending IP address exposure?

2016-11-18 Thread rupert THURNER
On Nov 18, 2016 05:09, "Gergo Tisza" wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:02 PM, Brion Vibber > wrote: > > > 1) Eliminate IP address exposure for non-logged-in editors. Those editors > > should be either given a random, truly anonymous identifier, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Apple Pay donations

2016-11-16 Thread rupert THURNER
ed a fee. > > Kevin Payravi > W: > E: > P: (330) 554 - 3397 > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 2:06 AM, rupert THURNER <> > wrote: > > > Apple takes their usual 30 % on such donations ? > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open letter to the new CTO

2016-11-11 Thread rupert THURNER
On Nov 9, 2016 20:26, "C. Scott Ananian" wrote: > > I'm going to take the bait and respond in part, to defend the teams and > projects I work with: > > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Rogol Domedonfors > wrote: > > > they are summarised by the four

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2015 - 2016 Fundraising Report just published

2016-10-19 Thread rupert THURNER
Joseph would you be able to elaborate on "privacy and other legal reasons" statement? Best, Rupert On Oct 18, 2016 19:25, "Joseph Seddon" wrote: > Hey both, > > > Apologies for the delay in responding,I have been meaning to respond to > this. > > > Lucas: So one of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Discussing Creative Commons 4.0

2016-10-05 Thread rupert THURNER
thank you very much, it's about time this happens! It might be an idea to detail the exact license differences a little bit more prominent? Rupert On Oct 5, 2016 22:13, "Stephen LaPorte" wrote: Hello all, Today we opened a discussion asking for community input

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Suggesting moderation

2016-07-27 Thread rupert THURNER
there are guidelines for mailing lists here: On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Nathan wrote: > I find Trillium's denied e-mail to be off-topic but hardly so objectionable > that a moderator reviewing it should deny it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to communicate compassionately with non-native English speakers

2016-07-07 Thread rupert THURNER
Lol Peter you hullarious, I thought this thread is exactly about how you could put the style Gerard writes his emails into his cultural context :) Rupert On Jul 7, 2016 15:19, "Peter Southwood" wrote: > Gerard, > Since you appear to have little time for compassion,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation Form 990 for FY 2014-2015 now on-wiki

2016-06-29 Thread rupert THURNER
This site States that a US American CEO salary would be from 70k up to 420k a year, for Ngo 83k less. You are asking where and why the wmf executive director is in this range Lodewijk? Rupert On May 31, 2016 10:21,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community survey to support the WMF ED search starts right now

2016-06-18 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, 2011 A T Kearney published a study saying that hiring a homegrown CEO let a company outperform other companies. also price waterhouse coopers Strategy& and RHR international come to similar conclusions: *

Re: [Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

2016-05-01 Thread rupert THURNER
On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:38 PM, Tilman Bayer <> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:42 PM, rupert THURNER <> > wrote: > >> hi jimmy, >> >> i asked on the facebook group wikipeda weekly if joe/ed could publish &g

[Wikimedia-l] wikinews has a NPOV policy derived from wikipedia, mamamia ...

2016-04-22 Thread rupert THURNER
hi jimmy, i asked on the facebook group wikipeda weekly if joe/ed could publish an upcoming blog post on wikinews. joe sutherland mentioned ".. I simply cannot get my head around its attitude to news coverage". which i find frightening. an editor for 10 years, tens of thousands contributions,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Updated dates: Reimagining WMF grants consultation

2016-04-16 Thread rupert THURNER
how much budget do the differing programs have, alex? On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Alex Wang wrote: > Hi All, > > We've pushed back the dates a bit for launching the new grants programs. > Please see the updated dates below: > > 16 May: Launch Rapid Grants > *30 June:*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help, how much money goes to volunteers?

2016-04-15 Thread rupert THURNER
tion costs, are due to a smart accounting change, or the > result of hard won meaningful improvements. > > Fae > > On 14 April 2016 at 10:48, rupert THURNER <> wrote: >> hi, >> >> on the question how much money will go to volunteers ne

[Wikimedia-l] help, how much money goes to volunteers?

2016-04-14 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, on the question how much money will go to volunteers next year, katherine stated that the 2016 grants budget is 5.8 mio, out of 63 mio [1]. my guess was that between 1 and 2 mio would go to volunteers. i have a little difficulty to calculate the number. i saw the 2016 fdc numbers [2], 5.5

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-11 Thread rupert THURNER
For denny I see the situation simple and I am only able to write it as I read his clear email. First he is able to influence projects and general direction with his judgement and expertise. Second he has the expertise to get projects done. While I find it a real pity that we have less of first

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who runs the Wikimedia Shop ?

2016-03-21 Thread rupert THURNER
How many orders are handled by this shop? Rupert On Mar 21, 2016 17:32, "Joseph Seddon" wrote: > In an ideal world then I would definitely be pushing for a fully wikimedia > hosted online shop. I completely agree with the principles you've raised. > But moving in-house

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Case for Federation: Should Parts of WMF Be Spun Off?

2016-03-19 Thread rupert THURNER
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 3:22 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > the notion that WMF might be a more effective > organization if it limited its own size in favor of focused spin-off > organizations and affiliates. > I can see three potential benefits from a more federated model: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Disabe Media Viewer for non-logged-in users and logged-in users on Wikimedia Commons

2016-03-15 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mar 14, 2016 23:47, "Fæ" wrote: > > On 14 March 2016 at 22:12, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > > On 16-03-14 05:01 PM, Vi to wrote: > >> Ignoring a wide community > >> consensus is *always* a mistake. > > > > It is. I never advocated otherwise. > > > > That old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: A conversation?

2016-03-10 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mar 10, 2016 07:19, "Erik Moeller" wrote: > > 2016-03-09 16:56 GMT-08:00 Pete Forsyth : > > > I feel this message can provide important insight into the dynamics > > surrounding James H.'s dismissal, and various people have expressed > > interest in

[Wikimedia-l] feature: prevent overwork, statistics was: What it means to be a high-tech organization

2016-02-28 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:41 PM, SarahSV wrote: > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Florence Devouard > wrote: > > >> Removing a COI is not the only issue at stake Sarah. >> >> Would WMF get involved into such a process, it would also possibly change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why we changed

2016-02-21 Thread rupert THURNER
brion, there is 10'000 km between you and me so i only read mails on this list. would you mind detailing what you expect from your CEO to trigger "she benefits me"? best, rupert On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:41 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Lila, a few notes. > > First, many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

2016-02-07 Thread rupert THURNER
lol This is why “Nonprofit: The Musical” will have, as one of its characters, a consultant robot, whose only job is to repeat exactly what an internal staff or board member says; the difference is that the robot actually gets listened to. On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Pine W

[Wikimedia-l] how big the foundation should be, was: Why take grants?

2016-02-04 Thread rupert THURNER
ha, i read the thread and i did not notice the core question :) lets start from the annual plan then: there are 280 persons working for the WMF, all departments are growing. money given to somebody else is shrinking below

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-02 Thread rupert THURNER
sam, i am not so convinced that what you write is true in too many countries, namely that you think wikimedia gets too little of its funding from other foundations. but i think it is fair enough that WMF tries to get foundations funding on its home turf which it knows best. there are many US based

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning

2016-01-12 Thread rupert THURNER
On Jan 12, 2016 16:51, "Yaroslav M. Blanter" wrote: > > On 2016-01-12 04:21, Pete Forsyth wrote: >> >> All: >> >> >> >> And beyond this video -- what do those who participated in the last round >> (or those who have observed it) think the important lessons are? How should >> we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you, Jan-Bart and Stu

2016-01-06 Thread rupert THURNER
thank you both. i enjoyed seeing jan-bart beeing the movements best man in many situations. and i appreciated money talks and croissant with stu, who was open to globalize the movement in a financial aspect while always paying attention that it does not become FIFA. some videos from sunny haifa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-31 Thread rupert THURNER
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: > Matt, here > , > Jimmy says this was a removal for cause. > > Anthony Cole > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

2015-12-29 Thread rupert THURNER
On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 4:00 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > issue here. This is hardly unusual. Regarding the removal itself, at least > in the United States, it's fairly common for members of a body to be able > to remove/expel one of their own. The Wikimedia Foundation Board of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update from the Wikimedia Performance Team

2015-12-08 Thread rupert THURNER
I appreciate a ton what you guys achieve, many thanks!! Rupert On Dec 7, 2015 23:28, "Gilles Dubuc" wrote: > Hello, > > This is the monthly report from the Wikimedia Performance team. > > ## Our progress ## > > * Availability. We've done a major overhaul of the ObjectCache

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

2015-12-08 Thread rupert THURNER
was it fun? On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:56 PM, Mardetanha wrote: > I also concur that best part of wikimania is get to know other wikimedians > and fascinating stories , but nevertheless the workshops are also very > useful. in each wikimania we enjoy both. I learnt a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banner (again)

2015-12-03 Thread rupert THURNER
One feedback I got today is to not display the banner any more if the person donated. On Dec 3, 2015 16:37, "Liam Wyatt" wrote: > TL;DR - we've reached "peak banner", how do we change the fundraising > model to be about working smarter, not just pushing harder. This needs >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] FDC recommendations for 2015-2016 Round 1 APG grant requests

2015-11-25 Thread rupert THURNER
Anne, do you imagine to publish income per person that way? On Nov 25, 2015 04:53, "Risker" wrote: > Thank you, Nikki. Yes, about 70% of the costs were broken down, more or > less. But almost 30% - totalling over US$635,000 - is undifferentiated > "floating capacity" and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

2015-11-23 Thread rupert THURNER
All the best brane!! On Nov 23, 2015 18:43, "Samir Elsharbaty" wrote: > Brane, > > I didn't have the pleasure of meeting you but I heard a lot of nice > stories, so, please get well soon because I would like to have this > pleasure! > > -- > Samir Elsharbaty, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Free Bassel

2015-11-23 Thread rupert THURNER
Lila, would you be able to somehow contact the Russian government? On Nov 23, 2015 18:25, "Samir Elsharbaty" wrote: > Some suggestions of things we can do: > > 1. The list of signatories on the amnesty international website does not > include the WMF, the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Analytics] On toxic communities

2015-11-14 Thread rupert THURNER
interesting. i read 90% male, 85% between 16 and 30 years of age, 12 mio players a day, 1 bio hours played a month (2012). they had a tribunal which is switched off since a year. the market is 54 mio usd a month for multiplayer online battle arena (moba) in the united states. league of legends

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > >> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the >> company, for various reasons. >> > > Ziko, > > This is true, of course;

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TPP - copyright

2015-11-06 Thread rupert THURNER
Europe harmonized it's copyright as well to 70 yrs for everything. It did not change an existing copyright state at the time when it is ratified by a countries law makers. Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] I'll be moving on

2015-10-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Jan Ainali wrote: > All, > > For the last three years I have been the Executive Director for Wikimedia > Sverige. Before that I have been Chairman, Treasurer and Secretary of the > board (at different times) and have been involved since

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-29 Thread rupert THURNER
dear board, allow me to directly ask you to stop these fundraising persons to spoil wiki loves monuments because of less than intelligent KPIs. WMF cannot and should not behave like an elephant in the porcelain shop. there is a simple technical solution to the problem below, to have a combined

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Media handling is difficult

2015-08-03 Thread rupert THURNER
James you are sure not to be late to the party when cameras like Samsung Galaxy or better with Android os are available? Rupert On Aug 1, 2015 2:34 AM, James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Does Foundation have 3rd party standing against Harald Bischoff?

2015-07-31 Thread rupert THURNER
On Jul 27, 2015 5:33 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Pine W wrote: snip This still leaves me wondering if WMF Legal could be involved in the legal defense of the reusers if they acted in good faith in attempting to comply

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

2015-07-28 Thread rupert THURNER
On Jul 28, 2015 9:37 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: It isn't clear to me at present whether he is: 1 insisting on his undisputed licence rights 2 strictly enforcing licence rights which we acknowledge on at least one Wikimedia project and don't ourselves breach as a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

2015-07-21 Thread rupert THURNER
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Lilburne wrote: On 20/07/2015 19:38, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 20 July 2015 at 18:09, Robert Rohde wrote: it is also hard for me to get behind the notion of punishing someone for demanding that reusers due the

[Wikimedia-l] harald bischoff advertising to make images for the wikimedia foundation and then suing users

2015-07-20 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, may i propose to fix the attribution problem for the one common use case do it like wikipedia does. somebody who refers to images from commons like wikipedia does it should be on legal safe grounds. there is a recent incident of non-wiki-love where user harald bischoff states comes into

[Wikimedia-l] press edit in facebook to edit wikipedia, how many?

2015-07-19 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, for the first time i tried pressing edit in facebook and came out in the wiki-text editor. are there statistics available how many persons come along this way? best, rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

2015-07-19 Thread rupert THURNER
i created two tasks in phabricator for it, hope that is ok like this: * * i did not find the correct project though? best, rupert On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 11:02 PM, rupert THURNER wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

2015-06-28 Thread rupert THURNER
Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European Parliament: Best Rupert On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, Gerard Meijssen

[Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

2015-06-28 Thread rupert THURNER
hi, now we are approaching 400 days of lila tretikov at the helm of the wikimedia foundation, and 60 million us dollars spent, i was not able to sign a simple wikipedia page via the mobile app. i think something is going seriously wrong here :( what was the use case? the european union wants to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

2015-06-28 Thread rupert THURNER
. Thanks, Dan On 28 June 2015 at 03:44, rupert THURNER wrote: hi, now we are approaching 400 days of lila tretikov at the helm of the wikimedia foundation, and 60 million us dollars spent, i was not able to sign a simple wikipedia page via the mobile app. i think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Bylaw proposal on term limits

2015-06-23 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi, while all this sounds not bad I am wondering what the reasoning behind the extention of the time serving would be, as well if one wants to limit the number of terms what good a waiting time would do to break this limit again. Rupert On Jun 23, 2015 2:51 AM, Samuel Klein

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Can Wikipedia Survive? op-ed

2015-06-23 Thread rupert THURNER
I like this idea a lot. If mediawiki and toolchain would additionally support paragraphs as primary unit it would allow to activate translated paragraphs. This might as well facilitate book creation, links to Wikidata etc. The granularity of articles is differing between languages I.e. What would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2015-06-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Jun 8, 2015 8:53 PM, Pine W wrote: Hi Michael, Thanks for this report. I was hoping to see information in the report about the financial costs of applying for and reporting about WMF grants; even better would be an estimate of time spent including volunteer hours,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Voting system (was: Results of 2015 WMF Board elections)

2015-06-07 Thread rupert THURNER
On Jun 7, 2015 9:31 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 9:02 PM, Pine W wrote: # We use S/N/O for many other kinds of votes, including FDC, steward, Arbitration Committee, and featured content votes. I have not heard disagreement with it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Listen Button

2015-05-29 Thread rupert THURNER
You mean these persons suggested to remove the catches? Rupert On May 28, 2015 11:58 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: Sorry if I continue this discussion of January but it may be interesting to share my experience had yesterday because I attended to a presentation of a young

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Indonesia 2014 Financial Statements

2015-05-10 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks for sharing this. Especially interesting I find that you are able to manage very different amounts of money over time. Especially wmf and fdc do not always seem convinced this might be possible. Rupert On May 9, 2015 6:45 AM, Isabella Apriyana

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2015-04-29 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi James, is there any good reason to keep the exception? Imo it is a wrong signal we send out. At the end of the day all good governance rules suggest to minimize administrative tasks. And by definition everything which a client does not see, I.e Content or software, is administrative. Rupert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF office location and remodel

2015-04-16 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi Garfield, many thanks for your answer! On Apr 9, 2015 5:35 PM, Garfield Byrd wrote: Hi Pine, I have answered your questions in your email. Regards, Garfield On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:38 AM, Pine W wrote: Hi Garfield, Ok, follow up

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-04 Thread rupert THURNER
hi mike, while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. net neutrality targets censorship in some countries, but price to access internet in most countries, which is antitrust or competition law. You are well known for free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread rupert THURNER
On Apr 1, 2015 6:03 PM, Josh Lim wrote: Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Not all pixels are created equals: introducing brand new Wikimedia France's metrics

2015-04-01 Thread rupert THURNER
Lol j aime pierre selim!! On Apr 1, 2015 11:52 PM, Katherine Casey wrote: Everybody always tries to get rid of the content pixels because they beat up the other pixels, but I tell you what, if you don't give those content creator pixels what they want they're going

[Wikimedia-l] IEG page on mobile

2015-03-30 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi, I was just wondering if any of you looked at the IEG page on a mobile phone: For me this experience looks rather broken. Best, Rupert ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who are the nicest people on our projects ?

2015-02-25 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi, an outcome of the old milgram experiments suggests that not always nice people do oppress others less: Rupert On Feb 25, 2015 8:31 AM, Ricordisamoa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia wins Erasmusprize 2015

2015-01-15 Thread rupert THURNER
150'000 eur for the wikipedia community? How they will pay that ;) On Jan 15, 2015 7:32 PM, Romaine Wiki wrote: ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-07 Thread rupert THURNER
Maybe the carrot is the site notice to advertise it, and the fear is that too many projects are being proposed? Which is good. But I am with lodewijk that this is not the way to go. It only exposes the main weakness of the current grant making process. It is global, central and has a lot of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia India Chapter Announcements:Executive Committee for 2014-15 takes charge

2014-12-17 Thread rupert THURNER
Congratulations! How many members and active members does the chapter have currently? Rupert On Dec 16, 2014 8:25 PM, Jayanta Nath wrote: Dear Wikimedia India Chapter members and other interested stakeholders in the list, Dear members, At the outset, on behalf of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons copyright extremism

2014-12-12 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi luis, I could understand liams mail, and the links russavia sent. Could you match the this somehow from a legal standpoint? Rupert On Dec 11, 2014 5:55 PM, Luis Villa wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Russavia wrote: Steven,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey

2014-12-05 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks for this! It needs to be c On Dec 5, 2014 12:51 AM, Rachel diCerbo wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM, Liam Wyatt wrote: This! Thank you to the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community engagement - Product Survey

2014-12-05 Thread rupert THURNER
Many thanks for this! It needs to be clear that one does not get feedback of new users especially not of disappointed ones. E.g. of users suffering some bandwidth or speed problems. Rupert On Dec 5, 2014 12:51 AM, Rachel diCerbo wrote: On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:57 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia and Ebola

2014-12-04 Thread rupert THURNER
Excellent, James! On Dec 4, 2014 3:43 PM, Jens Best wrote: Hi James, thanks for sharing. This shows exemplary the success of Wikipedia for being a trusted spot for information. It also shows its growing responsibilities. News like this are encouraging on so many

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-04 Thread rupert THURNER
Hi mike, That pipes are dumb is fundamental for having cheap Internet access. Most contracts for Wikipedia zero are done with telcos which either want to catch up in getting more reach in the population, or those which have a higher price for data. Not allowing them to use wikipedia to influence

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Ryan Lane wrote: Kim Bruning kim@... writes: Washington post article The response to this is embarrassing and lacking.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-11-30 Thread rupert THURNER
hi mz, you are right, the whole wikipedia is built by volunteer time and could have not been built otherwise. so volunteer time clearly is worth significantly more. i sometimes feel ripped off as a volunteer. first i donate my time, and then people approach me to addtionally spend money for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is bank transfer no longer possible?

2014-11-27 Thread rupert THURNER
The day before yesterday I was presented a fundraising banner in Switzerland which redirects to the donation page of Wmf, contrary the chapters page. Rupert On Nov 26, 2014 3:18 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Just following up, Has WMNL now received the sought information?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FDC funds allocation recommendation is up

2014-11-23 Thread rupert THURNER
Anders, what are the comparable numbers out of Sweden? Not generated by bots. What is the link for this? Rupert On Nov 23, 2014 2:59 PM, Anders Wennersten wrote: I beleive you can find part of what you ask for in the staff assessment

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Finance Fellows to develop first-ever movement-wide financial report and metrics

2014-11-21 Thread rupert THURNER
While this might sound attracting at a first glance the effect might be exactly the opposite what is desired. First, The wikimedia movement is not multinational like coca Cola which just buys what it needs. Wikimedia depends on volunteers. I would never donate money if it is not spent on the

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Kiwix-developer] [KIWIX][GUTENBERG] 50.000 public domain books available to everybody, everywhere, offline

2014-11-19 Thread rupert THURNER
Allow me to crosspost this... -- Forwarded message -- From: Emmanuel Engelhart Date: Nov 19, 2014 1:18 PM Subject: [Kiwix-developer] [KIWIX][GUTENBERG] 50.000 public domain books available to everybody, everywhere, offline To: Using Wikimedia projects and MediaWiki

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