Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Russavia
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote:
 The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the amount
 of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a
 particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.

 Newyorkbrad

Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the
person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the
date the donation was made, etc, etc.

Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it
would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as
part of those edits.

The WMF should be refunding the donation.

 Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a
 misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
 separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter
 bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both the
 playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.

Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the
Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send
her brainfarts from her own account. :)

Cheers

Scotty


[1] 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-blocks-anonymous-edits-and-trolling-from-a-congressional-ip-address/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Lisa Gruwell
We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.

Best,
Lisa Gruwell


On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the amount
  of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a
  particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
 
  Newyorkbrad

 Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the
 person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the
 date the donation was made, etc, etc.

 Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it
 would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as
 part of those edits.

 The WMF should be refunding the donation.

  Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a
  misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
  separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter
  bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
 the
  playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.

 Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the
 Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send
 her brainfarts from her own account. :)

 Cheers

 Scotty


 [1]
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-blocks-anonymous-edits-and-trolling-from-a-congressional-ip-address/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Richard Symonds
He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
On 1 Aug 2014 17:42, Dennis Pierri dennis6...@gmail.com wrote:

 ;O we get vandalized and he doesn't stick to his word of donating? Some
 people are just mean.

 On 01/08/2014, at 10:10, Lisa Gruwell lgruw...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  We do not see any donations from anyone by that name.
 
  Best,
  Lisa Gruwell
 
 
  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the
 amount
  of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and
 returning a
  particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.
 
  Newyorkbrad
 
  Newyorkbrad, it wouldn't be all that difficult, given that the
  person's name is known, it was clearly done with Paypal, we have the
  date the donation was made, etc, etc.
 
  Furthermore, as the WMF have publicly spoken on these edits,[1] it
  would be amiss to condemn the edits but not disavow donations made as
  part of those edits.
 
  The WMF should be refunding the donation.
 
  Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support
 a
  misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
  separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog
 Twitter
  bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both
  the
  playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.
 
  Nathan, it is fantastic that Jen Psaki wishes to engage with the
  Wikimedia community, but could you please in future ask her to send
  her brainfarts from her own account. :)
 
  Cheers
 
  Scotty
 
 
  [1]
 
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/07/24/wikipedia-blocks-anonymous-edits-and-trolling-from-a-congressional-ip-address/
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Rjd0060
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds 
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

 He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
 through a friend. Very tricky to track down.



Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it
to contribute to the conspiracy.

Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
The time a staff or contractor will need to discover his donation or if he
has donated is more expensive than 20 USD.

Ask him better donations, revert the vandalism and don't give the money
back, using it for some useful thing, like improving anti-vandalism tools.


2014-08-01 16:10 GMT-03:00 Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
  through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
 


 Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it
 to contribute to the conspiracy.

 Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Richard Symonds
+1, sorry, that was my point :-)
On 1 Aug 2014 20:10, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Richard Symonds 
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:

  He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
  through a friend. Very tricky to track down.
 


 Or...the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's donor database and removed it
 to contribute to the conspiracy.

 Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Russavia
Hi Richard, et al

On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
 through a friend. Very tricky to track down.

True, people can and do donate via such methods. I did so myself when
I donated the half proceeds from the sale of Pricasso's painting of
Jimmy Wales to the WMF.[1] I had a friend in the US donate by way of
cheque sent to the WMF offices so that it wouldn't be eaten up in
credit card and Paypal fees.

 Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.

Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't
actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best
not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the
guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as
to how he actually donated.

Cheers

Russavia

[1] http://archive.today/L6OVn

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
2014-08-01 16:30 GMT-03:00 Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com:


 Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't
 actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best
 not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the
 guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as
 to how he actually donated.


No. Richard said it was NSA fault, the US NSA hacked into the Foundation's
donor database and removed it. I tend to believe on this as well. Instead
of improve anti-vandalism tools as suggested, we also could use the money
for improve WMF servers security.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread David Gerard
Alternately, we could stop feeding an obvious troll.

On 1 August 2014 20:30, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Richard, et al

 On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Richard Symonds
 richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
 He may have donated under a pseudonym, or by cheque, or to a chapter, or
 through a friend. Very tricky to track down.

 True, people can and do donate via such methods. I did so myself when
 I donated the half proceeds from the sale of Pricasso's painting of
 Jimmy Wales to the WMF.[1] I had a friend in the US donate by way of
 cheque sent to the WMF offices so that it wouldn't be eaten up in
 credit card and Paypal fees.

 Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.

 Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't
 actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best
 not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the
 guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as
 to how he actually donated.

 Cheers

 Russavia

 [1] http://archive.today/L6OVn

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Rjd0060
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:


  Jeez guys - stop beating the horse.  It's never was alive to begin with.

 Rjd0060, I'm not sure here, but are you saying that the guy didn't
 actually donate the $20? If so, he publicly said he did, so it's best
 not to say such things which could be misconstrued as you saying the
 guy lied. Perhaps contact with him via Twitter might get an answer as
 to how he actually donated.

 Cheers

 Russavia



No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing
whatever they feel is actually important.

Let it go.  It really does not matter.  AT ALL.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:



 No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing
 whatever they feel is actually important.

 Let it go.  It really does not matter.  AT ALL.


I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our
international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the
self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be
more serious.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Thyge
To me, the only thing at stake is the seriousness of this list - and that
is not a new issue, unfortunately.
Regards,
Thyge /Sir48


2014-08-01 21:59 GMT+02:00 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing
  whatever they feel is actually important.
 
  Let it go.  It really does not matter.  AT ALL.
 
 
 I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our
 international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the
 self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be
 more serious.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Rjd0060
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
  No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing
  whatever they feel is actually important.
 
  Let it go.  It really does not matter.  AT ALL.
 
 
 I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our
 international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as the
 self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be
 more serious.



When you find yourself saying things like this, or you find yourself
agreeing to this kind of reasoning, perhaps it's time to take a step back
and look at the big picture.  We're editing a *website*.

Go outside and play.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-08-01 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  
  
   No, I'm saying this doesn't matter and people should get back to doing
   whatever they feel is actually important.
  
   Let it go.  It really does not matter.  AT ALL.
  
  
  I can't agree. It's clear that lives are at stake, not to mention our
  international reputation and the livelihood of all employees as well as
 the
  self-esteem of many thousands of contributors. This couldn't possibly be
  more serious.



 When you find yourself saying things like this, or you find yourself
 agreeing to this kind of reasoning, perhaps it's time to take a step back
 and look at the big picture.  We're editing a *website*.

 Go outside and play.


I guess you can see now how its possible Russavia didn't get your joke :-P
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[Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-07-31 Thread Russavia
On 23 July John Resig tweeted a challenge,[1]

I will donate $20 to a charity if someone can land an edit to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians  or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) … in
@congressedits

Sure enough, someone took up Resig's challenge with this edit.[2]
Keeping with his challenge, Resig announced that $20 had been donated
to the WMF for the edit.[3]

The IP used for the edit, sure enough, resolves to the US House of
Representative.[4]

To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has
taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian
national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the
sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]

Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?

Russavia

[1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U
[2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657
[3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP
[4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138
[5] 
https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8diff=64532570oldid=63573625
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-07-31 Thread Newyorkbrad
The activity you describe is obviously unacceptable.  However, the amount
of time and effort that out associated with tracking down and returning a
particular $20 contribution would not be worth it.

Newyorkbrad


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 23 July John Resig tweeted a challenge,[1]

 I will donate $20 to a charity if someone can land an edit to
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilians  or
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) … in
 @congressedits

 Sure enough, someone took up Resig's challenge with this edit.[2]
 Keeping with his challenge, Resig announced that $20 had been donated
 to the WMF for the edit.[3]

 The IP used for the edit, sure enough, resolves to the US House of
 Representative.[4]

 To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has
 taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian
 national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the
 sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]

 Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?

 Russavia

 [1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U
 [2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657
 [3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP
 [4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138
 [5]
 https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8diff=64532570oldid=63573625
 [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-07-31 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Was this paid-by-proxy contribution accompanied by disclosure?

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] $20 donation to WMF for vandalism edit from US House of Representatives

2014-07-31 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com
wrote:


 To make matters a little worse, the US House of Representatives IP has
 taken to vandalising the Russian Wikipedia article for the Russian
 national anthem,[5] replacing sheet music for the anthem with the
 sheet music for Putin -- khuilo (Putin is a dickhead).[6]

 Question to the masses, should the WMF refund the $20 donation made to it?

 Russavia

 [1] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTt5jM9U
 [2] https://twitter.com/congressedits/status/492027099499462657
 [3] http://www.webcitation.org/6RTtO0JMP
 [4] http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/143.231.249.138
 [5]
 https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%93%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BD_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8diff=64532570oldid=63573625
 [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin_khuilo!


Even more worse, the Kremlin is using the English Wikipedia to support a
misinformation campaign around the shoot down of MH17 by Russian
separatists in Ukraine.[1] Thankfully we have these new watchdog Twitter
bots to spot interference by unsophisticated government actors, of both the
playfully harmless and the dangerously harmful varieties.

1:
http://gawker.com/did-russian-officials-edit-wikipedia-to-back-up-a-bogus-1609071757
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