Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
I'd keep it redirecting to http://www.wikipedia.org/ which I worked previously on to optimise for mobile. The only difference I'd make to the existing homepage is to reverse the media queries. Currently media queries are used to optimise the page for mobile phones. Unfortunately however if you have an old phone that doesn't support media queries you will get the old website. What would actually be better is to make mobile the default and use media queries for desktop computers to apply styles to turn the page into a more desktop friendly view. All modern browsers on desktop support media queries [1] and update more frequently then mobile devices. The only browsers you'd have to worry about is IE6-8 but there are conditional css tricks to get around this problem. I think previously I worked with Timo (Krinkle) to get this up and running. [1] http://caniuse.com/css-mediaqueries On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
Ok, so it seems the redirect to WWW would be better than language auto-detect. Before I switch it from the English mobile (current) to WWW, we have to make sure that WWW is ready - as that would affect all mobile users. Jon, how much work do you think that would be? On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com wrote: I'd keep it redirecting to http://www.wikipedia.org/ which I worked previously on to optimise for mobile. The only difference I'd make to the existing homepage is to reverse the media queries. Currently media queries are used to optimise the page for mobile phones. Unfortunately however if you have an old phone that doesn't support media queries you will get the old website. What would actually be better is to make mobile the default and use media queries for desktop computers to apply styles to turn the page into a more desktop friendly view. All modern browsers on desktop support media queries [1] and update more frequently then mobile devices. The only browsers you'd have to worry about is IE6-8 but there are conditional css tricks to get around this problem. I think previously I worked with Timo (Krinkle) to get this up and running. [1] http://caniuse.com/css-mediaqueries On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:52 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. +1 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Jon Robson http://jonrobson.me.uk @rakugojon ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
www.wikipedia.org sure. All these lang detectors can can not work properly in mobile devices and users shall have opportunity to have overriding settings for this site (e.g. i would like to see wiki sites in Ukrainian but my prefered language in browser is Russian for several reasons). --Base 06.12.2013 7:11, James Alexander написав(ла): On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.orgwrote: http://m.wikipedia.org used to be a hard-coded redirect to English en.m.wikipedia.org, except for the users in the Zero program. We now have an ability to have complex redirection for that domain. How do you think m.wikipedia.org should behave? We could redirect m. to ... * the current www.wikipedia.org, which seems to work pretty well on the smaller device screens * send users to the main page of the user's default language - based on the browser settings (Accept-Language header) - and later possibly even based on user's own language prefernces * ... Obviously it should be similar for other projects like wikinews, etc. I am not a big fan of building a full blown page at the m. URL, as that would involve much more work without a clear benefit - there are already www and main pages available, why build another one. Thanks! --Yuri Completely agree that building a new page would be silly, we can just adapt the portals themselves (already editable on meta) with some mobile specific styling if it becomes a problem I think. Personally I'd be a fan sending it to the main 'wikipedia.org' type landing page. Couple reasons (some larger then others): * I've never really been a fan of assuming that they want to go to a specific languages (biggest reason) * Finding 'other' languages on the main page of wikis (both mobile and not) is possible but significantly easier on the main portal screen. * I kinda like the idea of driving home, to anyone who visits that portal at least, how many different languages we have. I feel like it could take their fancy to check out some of the ones they may not have before (either now or later). James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Where to redirect m.wikipedia.org?
I agree with James. I'd like to m.wikipedia land up at a portal with a language list and selector. Sent from the touchscreen equivalent of a Nokia 1100, pardon the sender. -- Srikanth Ramakrishnan, Treasurer. On Dec 6, 2013 10:42 AM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.org wrote: http://m.wikipedia.org used to be a hard-coded redirect to English en.m.wikipedia.org, except for the users in the Zero program. We now have an ability to have complex redirection for that domain. How do you think m.wikipedia.org should behave? We could redirect m. to ... * the current www.wikipedia.org, which seems to work pretty well on the smaller device screens * send users to the main page of the user's default language - based on the browser settings (Accept-Language header) - and later possibly even based on user's own language prefernces * ... Obviously it should be similar for other projects like wikinews, etc. I am not a big fan of building a full blown page at the m. URL, as that would involve much more work without a clear benefit - there are already www and main pages available, why build another one. Thanks! --Yuri Completely agree that building a new page would be silly, we can just adapt the portals themselves (already editable on meta) with some mobile specific styling if it becomes a problem I think. Personally I'd be a fan sending it to the main 'wikipedia.org' type landing page. Couple reasons (some larger then others): * I've never really been a fan of assuming that they want to go to a specific languages (biggest reason) * Finding 'other' languages on the main page of wikis (both mobile and not) is possible but significantly easier on the main portal screen. * I kinda like the idea of driving home, to anyone who visits that portal at least, how many different languages we have. I feel like it could take their fancy to check out some of the ones they may not have before (either now or later). James ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
