Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central Notice

2015-11-11 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the respond. We I and few others wrote on Meta - this
link problematic - and it's new, although the using of Qualtrics is not.

Better option is to include the link to their privacy page from the landing
page itself, before the survey or at the bottom.

Another option could be to link to a Wiki page - with a
short explanation about the issue with handling such a survey with a 3rd
party, and linking to the survey and the privacy.

Just linking directly from a banner to their website (where they are also
tracking users via Facebook and Google pixels), is kind of advertising from
my point of view.


Itzik



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On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Michelle Paulson 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Apologies for any confusion with the "powered by" language. The purpose of
> the language was not, in any way, intended to provide advertising or
> endorsement of the survey provider. The reasoning behind this language was:
> (1) brevity given limited space; (2) notice to survey takers and link
> clickers that they would be taken to a non-Wikimedia site; and (3)
> transparency about the survey provider that we are using for that
> particular survey and an easy link to that provider's privacy terms so that
> users could make an educated decision about their own privacy. We are more
> than happy to use alternate language that achieves those purposes.
>
> Regarding why we don't use LimeSurvey - we actually used to use LimeSurvey
> years ago. However, if I recall correctly, there were some major security
> and scalability issues discovered and Tech decided it would be best to shut
> the server down. That is when we started exploring use of third-party
> survey providers like Qualtrics.
>
> Hope that helps.
> -Michelle
> ==
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[Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central Notice

2015-11-10 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi All,

Apologies for any confusion with the "powered by" language. The purpose of
the language was not, in any way, intended to provide advertising or
endorsement of the survey provider. The reasoning behind this language was:
(1) brevity given limited space; (2) notice to survey takers and link
clickers that they would be taken to a non-Wikimedia site; and (3)
transparency about the survey provider that we are using for that
particular survey and an easy link to that provider's privacy terms so that
users could make an educated decision about their own privacy. We are more
than happy to use alternate language that achieves those purposes.

Regarding why we don't use LimeSurvey - we actually used to use LimeSurvey
years ago. However, if I recall correctly, there were some major security
and scalability issues discovered and Tech decided it would be best to shut
the server down. That is when we started exploring use of third-party
survey providers like Qualtrics.

Hope that helps.
-Michelle
==
Michelle Paulson
Legal Director
Wikimedia Foundation
149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
mpaul...@wikimedia.org
415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office)
415.882.0495 (Fax)

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
Why not using a existing survey tool like limesurvey?

I am wondering if we need all this surveys...

> From: p858sn...@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:31:43 +1000
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> 
> E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com
> > wrote:
> 
> > Some thoughts:
> > Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was
> > concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice
> > banner.
> >
> > I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (
> > https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
> >
> > To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used,
> > especially in central noticed.
> >
> > It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
> >
> > I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other
> > question...
> >
> > Best,
> > :-)
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> > > From: petefors...@gmail.com
> > > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> > >
> > > This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> > > morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> > > Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > >
> > > -Pete
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley <pear...@wikimedia.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Itzik,
> > > >
> > > > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > > > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> > the
> > > > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> > to
> > > > that if they wanted to read it.
> > > >
> > > > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
> > It
> > > > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > > > >
> > > > > Mardetanha
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > > > notify
> > > > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > > > click
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > > > aspect
> > > > > > here).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > Bence
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> > harassment on
> > > > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> > that's
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> > GLAM
> > > > and
> > > > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread K. Peachey
E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.



On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-w...@live.com
> wrote:

> Some thoughts:
> Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was
> concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice
> banner.
>
> I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using
> https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (
> https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
>
> To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used,
> especially in central noticed.
>
> It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
>
> I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other
> question...
>
> Best,
> :-)
>
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> > From: petefors...@gmail.com
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> >
> > This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> > morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> > Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley <pear...@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Itzik,
> > >
> > > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> the
> > > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> to
> > > that if they wanted to read it.
> > >
> > > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
> It
> > > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > > >
> > > > Mardetanha
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > > notify
> > > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > > click
> > > > on
> > > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > > aspect
> > > > > here).
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Bence
> > > > >
> > > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> harassment on
> > > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> that's
> > > > the
> > > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> GLAM
> > > and
> > > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> their
> > > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > > related
> > > > > to
> > > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> share

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
>> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
>> company, for various reasons.
>>
>
> Ziko,
>
> This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion
> here.
>
> It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of
> how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also
> avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients,
> this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the
> announcement or commencement of the project.
>
> Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay
> insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the
> position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the
> "bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have
> what they want.

since when wikipedia needs to use some arbitrary 3rd party company to
conduct a simple survey? i'd consider it a core competency of a social
website like wikipedia to allow finding out the opinion and a
consensus of contributors and readers, anonymous and not anonymous.

rupert

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
Some thoughts:
Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was 
concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice banner.

I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using 
https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ 
(https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)

To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used, especially in 
central noticed.

It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.

I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other 
question...

Best,
:-)

> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800
> From: petefors...@gmail.com
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
> 
> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> 
> -Pete
> 
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley <pear...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Itzik,
> >
> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to the
> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >
> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > notify
> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > click
> > > on
> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > aspect
> > > > here).
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bence
> > > >
> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
> > > the
> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
> > and
> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > related
> > > > to
> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > > the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-08 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Ziko, I agree. But we are using Qualtrics since 2011, and we never had a
link to their website in such way. What has changed?



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On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
> company, for various reasons.
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
> 2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il>:
> > Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
> > (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
> > include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
> > totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
> > different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party
> system.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth 
> wrote:
> >
> >> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> >> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> >> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
> >>
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >>
> >> -Pete
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Itzik,
> >> >
> >> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when
> a
> >> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> >> the
> >> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
> to
> >> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >> >
> >> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion
> [1].  It
> >> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha  >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
> >> > >
> >> > > Mardetanha
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> >> > notify
> >> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> >> > click
> >> > > on
> >> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> >> > aspect
> >> > > > here).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best regards,
> >> > > > Bence
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> >> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> >> > > > :
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
> harassment
> >> on
> >> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> >> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> >> that's
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
> GLAM
> >> > and
> >> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> >> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> >> their
> >> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> >> > related
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind
> it.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thank you.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> >> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> >> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> >> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
> share
> >> in
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-07 Thread Itzik - Wikimedia Israel
Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
(where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.





*Regards,Itzik Edri*
Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
+972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!


On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>
> -Pete
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Itzik,
> >
> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
> the
> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
> > that if they wanted to read it.
> >
> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> > >
> > > Mardetanha
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> > notify
> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> > click
> > > on
> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> > aspect
> > > > here).
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Bence
> > > >
> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
> on
> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
> that's
> > > the
> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
> > and
> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > > >
> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
> their
> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> > related
> > > > to
> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
> in
> > > the
> > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-07 Thread Ziko van Dijk
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
company, for various reasons.
Kind regards
Ziko

2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel :
> Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website
> (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also
> include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is
> totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a
> different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
>
>> This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
>> morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
>> Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
>>
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>>
>> -Pete
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Itzik,
>> >
>> > We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
>> > link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to
>> the
>> > Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
>> > that if they wanted to read it.
>> >
>> > Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
>> > now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> >
>> > [1]
>> >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
>> > >
>> > > Mardetanha
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
>> > notify
>> > > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
>> > click
>> > > on
>> > > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
>> > aspect
>> > > > here).
>> > > >
>> > > > Best regards,
>> > > > Bence
>> > > >
>> > > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
>> > > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
>> > > > :
>> > > >
>> > > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
>> on
>> > > > > Wikimedia projects.
>> > > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
>> that's
>> > > the
>> > > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
>> > and
>> > > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
>> > > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
>> their
>> > > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
>> > related
>> > > > to
>> > > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
>> > > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
>> > > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
>> > > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
>> > > > > ___
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>> > Community Advocate
>> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-07 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the
> company, for various reasons.
>

Ziko,

This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion
here.

It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of
how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also
avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients,
this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the
announcement or commencement of the project.

Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay
insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the
position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the
"bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have
what they want.

-Pete
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-06 Thread Mardetanha
​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​

Mardetanha

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:

> My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify
> users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click on
> the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect
> here).
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
> 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> :
>
> > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> > Wikimedia projects.
> > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> >
> > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's the
> > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and
> > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> >
> > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related
> to
> > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-06 Thread Patrick Earley
Hi Itzik,

We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
that if they wanted to read it.

Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".

Best,


[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
wrote:

> ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
>
> Mardetanha
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos  wrote:
>
> > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify
> > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click
> on
> > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect
> > here).
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Bence
> >
> > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > :
> >
> > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > >
> > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
> the
> > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and
> > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > >
> > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related
> > to
> > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> the
> > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
> > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-06 Thread Pete Forsyth
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this
morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where
Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics

-Pete

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley 
wrote:

> Hi Itzik,
>
> We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a
> link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects.  We linked to the
> Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to
> that if they wanted to read it.
>
> Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].  It
> now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
>
> Best,
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Re:_Survey_powered_by_Qualtrics
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha 
> wrote:
>
> > ​it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before​
> >
> > Mardetanha
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos 
> wrote:
> >
> > > My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
> notify
> > > users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
> click
> > on
> > > the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
> aspect
> > > here).
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Bence
> > >
> > > 2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel <
> > > it...@wikimedia.org.il>
> > > :
> > >
> > > > "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> > > > Wikimedia projects.
> > > > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
> > > >
> > > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
> > the
> > > > first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
> and
> > > > others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> > > > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
> > > >
> > > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> > > > website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
> related
> > > to
> > > > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> > > > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> > > > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> > > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
> > the
> > > > sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?

2015-11-06 Thread Bence Damokos
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect
here).

Best regards,
Bence

2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel 
:

> "We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on
> Wikimedia projects.
> *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
>
> It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's the
> first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and
> others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions
> organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
>
> But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their
> website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related to
> this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
> *Regards,Itzik Edri*
> Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel
> +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
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