[Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
Hello, Without ever being standardized or including age, there is a social tradition called the Friendly space policy adopted by many Wikimedia events. Here is one instance: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Friendly_space_policy The idea is that in-person Wikimedia events should be safe and welcoming to everyone. It does not mention age in this iteration. In practice, this policy and derivations have been used to promote positive behavioral norms in imitation of those developed by Western diversity training and sensitivity training traditions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity_training https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitivity_training I would like for the Friendly space policy to continue to be developed into a short, easy-to-read behavioral guideline which can be adopted by anyone for in-person events and which guide online behavior. I would like for policies like that child protection policy to serve as more nuanced backing of the intent of the friendly space policy. I favor development of best practices not only for the sake of the Wikimedia community, but also to set standards which can be adopted by other groups. Developing these kinds of policies has proven to be a lot more complicated than anyone anticipated but I think our community is positioned to come to consensus about what suits many people. With regard to the child protection policy - beyond connecting that to a friendly space policy, I wish that there could be some kind of support for harassment of people in any context. I would like for some minimal plan to be made to receive harassment complaints of any kind then to refer people to whatever services are available, or to tell them that no services are available. For my own interests I wanted this with regard to LGBT related harassment on Wikipedia, but I know that harassment of women is also a problem, and if we develop a youth policy then I think it would be useful to combine all the concerns of the stakeholders into one place in which anyone can present their report and have it considered, whatever that means. yours, On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/guidelineswikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 l...@bluerasberry.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne Right. I can guarantee you that the policy more or less as written will be implemented by most senior experienced admins. It documented existing very poorly publicized informal practice in that regard. There is and has been much controversy as to whether it's good, fair, reasonable, appropriate. As with the responding to threats of harm essay (originally responding to threats of suicide, now expanded), there were considerable theory based top down discussions that did not resolve, followed by someone documenting what was actually being done most of the time and that settling is as precedent. This is perhaps not the best process. However, even in the absence of total community support on these issues, admins and arbcom and senior community members will act to protect individual people and the community and encyclopedia and foundation. It seems to be agreed that documenting usual parameters for that, so people understand the usual responses, was a net positive. -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Sent from Kangphone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On 23 May 2014 13:09, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne Just noting in addition that on the left side of the page there are language links to four similar policies on other Wikipedias: Catalan, Indonesian, Persian and Ukrainian. Since few other Wikipedias have active Arbitration Committees and each existing arbcom has a different scope, it's pretty clear that processes and policies would vary from project to project. Risker ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
I suppose the caveat would be that what actually happens may be *broader* than the policy suggests, if anything (eg deleting personal information on a pre-emptive basis) On the English Wikipedia, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protecting_children%27s_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advice_for_parents In addition to the English Wikipedia policy, note that there's versions on four other wikis, as well. Catalan notes that theirs was adaptat de l'anglesa i de Commons, so probably close in general content, and judging by the dates on them I suspect the others had a similar source, but you may want to check this. The Commons policy is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Child_protection - also adapted from enwiki but marked as 'proposed'. There's a policy also marked as proposed on meta, dating from 2010; however, as it quotes the terms of service, I think we can reasonably conclude that the content does have the force of policy despite this tag :-) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Child_protection The Wikimedia-wide terms of use were formally codified in 2012 (there had been ToU before then, but they mostly dealt with copyright issues) and do include relevant material in Section 4. But I know this has been a topic raised on many occasions well before 2010-2012... Andrew. On 23 May 2014 18:34, George William Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne Right. I can guarantee you that the policy more or less as written will be implemented by most senior experienced admins. It documented existing very poorly publicized informal practice in that regard. There is and has been much controversy as to whether it's good, fair, reasonable, appropriate. As with the responding to threats of harm essay (originally responding to threats of suicide, now expanded), there were considerable theory based top down discussions that did not resolve, followed by someone documenting what was actually being done most of the time and that settling is as precedent. This is perhaps not the best process. However, even in the absence of total community support on these issues, admins and arbcom and senior community members will act to protect individual people and the community and encyclopedia and foundation. It seems to be agreed that documenting usual parameters for that, so people understand the usual responses, was a net positive. -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Sent from Kangphone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
Wil Sinclair, 23/05/2014 19:05: Is the following a full statement No. You're looking for: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities (first two and last subsections). Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
This is really helpful. To clarify: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? How many of those policies are marked as Proposed? Are the Proposed policies enforced? Are there projects/subdomains of Wikipedia and Wikimedia that have no Child Protection Policy at all? I'll follow up on the issue of harassment policy in another thread, since it seems like Child Protection Policy has been addressed specifically with its own policies. Thanks, all! ,Wil On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I suppose the caveat would be that what actually happens may be *broader* than the policy suggests, if anything (eg deleting personal information on a pre-emptive basis) On the English Wikipedia, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protecting_children%27s_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advice_for_parents In addition to the English Wikipedia policy, note that there's versions on four other wikis, as well. Catalan notes that theirs was adaptat de l'anglesa i de Commons, so probably close in general content, and judging by the dates on them I suspect the others had a similar source, but you may want to check this. The Commons policy is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Child_protection - also adapted from enwiki but marked as 'proposed'. There's a policy also marked as proposed on meta, dating from 2010; however, as it quotes the terms of service, I think we can reasonably conclude that the content does have the force of policy despite this tag :-) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Child_protection The Wikimedia-wide terms of use were formally codified in 2012 (there had been ToU before then, but they mostly dealt with copyright issues) and do include relevant material in Section 4. But I know this has been a topic raised on many occasions well before 2010-2012... Andrew. On 23 May 2014 18:34, George William Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne Right. I can guarantee you that the policy more or less as written will be implemented by most senior experienced admins. It documented existing very poorly publicized informal practice in that regard. There is and has been much controversy as to whether it's good, fair, reasonable, appropriate. As with the responding to threats of harm essay (originally responding to threats of suicide, now expanded), there were considerable theory based top down discussions that did not resolve, followed by someone documenting what was actually being done most of the time and that settling is as precedent. This is perhaps not the best process. However, even in the absence of total community support on these issues, admins and arbcom and senior community members will act to protect individual people and the community and encyclopedia and foundation. It seems to be agreed that documenting usual parameters for that, so people understand the usual responses, was a net positive. -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Sent from Kangphone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- - Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: This is really helpful. To clarify: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? How many of those policies are marked as Proposed? Are the Proposed policies enforced? Are there projects/subdomains of Wikipedia and Wikimedia that have no Child Protection Policy at all? I'll follow up on the issue of harassment policy in another thread, since it seems like Child Protection Policy has been addressed specifically with its own policies. Thanks, all! ,Wil Hi Will, See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines for how policies on Wikipedia work. The Terms of Service Federico pointed at are probably different, but I don't know how different. --Martijn On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I suppose the caveat would be that what actually happens may be *broader* than the policy suggests, if anything (eg deleting personal information on a pre-emptive basis) On the English Wikipedia, see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protecting_children%27s_privacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Advice_for_parents In addition to the English Wikipedia policy, note that there's versions on four other wikis, as well. Catalan notes that theirs was adaptat de l'anglesa i de Commons, so probably close in general content, and judging by the dates on them I suspect the others had a similar source, but you may want to check this. The Commons policy is at: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Child_protection - also adapted from enwiki but marked as 'proposed'. There's a policy also marked as proposed on meta, dating from 2010; however, as it quotes the terms of service, I think we can reasonably conclude that the content does have the force of policy despite this tag :-) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Child_protection The Wikimedia-wide terms of use were formally codified in 2012 (there had been ToU before then, but they mostly dealt with copyright issues) and do include relevant material in Section 4. But I know this has been a topic raised on many occasions well before 2010-2012... Andrew. On 23 May 2014 18:34, George William Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On May 23, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 13:05, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is the following a full statement of Wikipedia's Child Protection Policy, reflecting all responsibilities that the Wikipedia community and the Wikimedia Foundation have taken on to protect children in all of the projects they are involved with and/or sponsor? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection Are there any other *published* policies of WP or the WMF pertaining to child protection that I might have missed? I know that this is a very politically charged issue in the WP community. I'd appreciate a high light:heat ratio if anyone has comments beyond links to current policy statements. Thanks! ,Wil English Wikipedia policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Child_protection The existence of a 'formalized' policy has been a topic of heated debate since its creation, although there is some truth that its original form more or less documented existing practice at the time. Risker/Anne Right. I can guarantee you that the policy more or less as written will be implemented by most senior experienced admins. It documented existing very poorly publicized informal practice in that regard. There is and has been much controversy as to whether it's good, fair, reasonable, appropriate. As with the responding to threats of harm essay (originally responding to threats of suicide, now expanded), there were considerable theory based top down discussions that did not resolve, followed by someone documenting what was actually being done most of the time and that settling is as precedent. This is perhaps not the best process. However, even in the absence of total community support on these issues, admins and arbcom and senior community members will act to protect individual people and the community and encyclopedia and foundation. It seems to be agreed that documenting usual parameters for that, so people understand the usual responses, was a net positive. -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com Sent from Kangphone ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On 23 May 2014 19:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? No. The meta policy at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities applies to all projects and so where a local policy may exist, it must implement the meta policy. How many of those policies are marked as Proposed? It varies by project, where they exist. Are the Proposed policies enforced? No. Some may be in effect due to the existence of prior policies and working practices, often to comply with legal requirements. Are there projects/subdomains of Wikipedia and Wikimedia that have no Child Protection Policy at all? No. The policy at meta applies across all projects. If you intend to focus discussion in one place, rather than on multiple projects, email lists and on non-wikimedia managed websites at the same time, then meta would probably be a sensible place to summarize or ask for a community consensus. As has been explained, this has been done before, and one learning point was that by having multiple channels, drama or even excitement may be created, but any potentially good ideas for improvement are *far* more likely to drain away in the sand and result in continued general dissatisfaction and frustration. Fae -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2014 19:23, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Is it correct that each project/subdomain of Wikipedia and Wikimedia has its own, potentially unique Child Protection Policy? No. The meta policy at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use#4._Refraining_from_Certain_Activities applies to all projects and so where a local policy may exist, it must implement the meta policy. Thanks for the link. If you intend to focus discussion in one place, rather than on multiple projects, email lists and on non-wikimedia managed websites at the same time, then meta would probably be a sensible place to summarize or ask for a community consensus. As has been explained, this has been done before, and one learning point was that by having multiple channels, drama or even excitement may be created, but any potentially good ideas for improvement are *far* more likely to drain away in the sand and result in continued general dissatisfaction and frustration. People can obviously discuss whether the policies are optimal and/or sufficient, but I'm just asking what the current policies are. Since I started the discussion here and no one seems interested in drama, it sounds like the thread should be continued here. Sorry if I didn't post to the most appropriate list; I'm a newbie. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: If you intend to focus discussion in one place, rather than on multiple projects, email lists and on non-wikimedia managed websites at the same time, then meta would probably be a sensible place to summarize or ask for a community consensus. As has been explained, this has been done before, and one learning point was that by having multiple channels, drama or even excitement may be created, but any potentially good ideas for improvement are *far* more likely to drain away in the sand and result in continued general dissatisfaction and frustration. People can obviously discuss whether the policies are optimal and/or sufficient, but I'm just asking what the current policies are. Since I started the discussion here and no one seems interested in drama, it sounds like the thread should be continued here. Sorry if I didn't post to the most appropriate list; I'm a newbie. Wil, no need to apologize -- nobody accused you of doing anything wrong, just pointed out the likely consequences of certain approaches. But I do think it's very likely that, given your strong connection to the Wikimedia Foundation, your choice to engage extensively at the Wikipediaocracy site will continue to generate a great deal of interest and curiosity.You may consider yourself a newbie, but you also have higher than normal access to information about Wikimedia, and -- like it or not -- your actions will surely be received by some as providing a window into how the Wikimedia Foundation is building its understanding of its community. Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] on English Wikipedia etc. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
Wil, no need to apologize -- nobody accused you of doing anything wrong, just pointed out the likely consequences of certain approaches. But I do think it's very likely that, given your strong connection to the Wikimedia Foundation, your choice to engage extensively at the Wikipediaocracy site will continue to generate a great deal of interest and curiosity.You may consider yourself a newbie, but you also have higher than normal access to information about Wikimedia, and -- like it or not -- your actions will surely be received by some as providing a window into how the Wikimedia Foundation is building its understanding of its community. Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] on English Wikipedia etc. I'd love to explain why I participate on Wikipediocracy, as well as on the Wikimedia projects. I've already explained it to the WO folks. If you guys are interested, feel free to start another thread asking me about it. It's OT for this thread, however. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On 23 May 2014 19:49, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: People can obviously discuss whether the policies are optimal and/or sufficient, but I'm just asking what the current policies are. Then stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of this mailing list. -- geni ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
Then stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of this mailing list. -- geni Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind of thing a newbie like me could use. Also, thanks for the link; I'll read through that page. I've gotten a lot of great information here, so I'd prefer to keep this thread open if anyone else has anything to contribute. ,Wil ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection Policy
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Wil Sinclair w...@wllm.com wrote: Then stick to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk Straight What is the policy on X questions aren't really the purpose of this mailing list. -- geni Thanks for the advice; that's exactly the kind of thing a newbie like me could use. Also, thanks for the link; I'll read through that page. I've gotten a lot of great information here, so I'd prefer to keep this thread open if anyone else has anything to contribute. ,Wil We don't really have a process for closing threads. Any thread will always be open as long as anyone wants to contribute anything. --Martijn ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
