Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-12 Thread Peter Southwood
This is the point I was working on. I also have no confident answer to this problem, but have a gut feel it is somewhere in between the extremes. There is also the point that most people have some choice in where they live, though I do not have any useful suggestion of how that should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-12 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 22:23, Michael Peel wrote: > This seems to be a restriction against employers asking for someone’s > salary history, not against including the expected salary range in a job > advert. Yes. Apologies, the "undoubtedly not doing this" written in my earlier email was a bit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-12 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 12:39, Nathan wrote: > Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get > roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live? > I don't know. Maybe. Within the US, there are markets where decent, experienced software engineers earn half of what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Michael Peel
This seems to be a restriction against employers asking for someone’s salary history, not against including the expected salary range in a job advert. Having occasionally looked at WMF job adverts, it’s always seemed odd to me that the salary ranges haven’t been mentioned at all (my occasional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:44 AM Chris Keating wrote: > There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at least > salary ranges, on job ads. > (...) > I know practices vary within the movement - I believe the WMF never > mentions salaries on ads, and I don't know whether the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:25 AM Gnangarra wrote: > I'd hope that the WMF when hiring people in what was considered third world > or in areas of socially deprived wages that it would pay at least to US > standards as a matter of principle that employees doing similar jobs should > basically be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Gnangarra
I'd hope that the WMF when hiring people in what was considered third world or in areas of socially deprived wages that it would pay at least to US standards as a matter of principle that employees doing similar jobs should basically be treated equally regardless of location. That where the pay

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
On one side it would be nice to pay equal rate for equal work, on the other would be equal personal benefit for equal work. Then there is the economics of getting value for money, and the politics of diversity. It is a tricky issue. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Nathan
I'm sure it will vary considerably. Does that matter? When measuring internal equity, do we measure based on how expensive of a lifestyle each employee leads? On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:46 AM Peter Southwood wrote: > Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. > Cheers, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Chris Keating
Glad to see this is prompting some discussion! Dan - Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San Francisco > as of July 2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based > organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. > Very glad to hear it! > > There

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Should they? Their cost of living expenses may vary considerably. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Sent: 11 September 2020 13:39 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Nathan
Dan, Shouldn't two candidates for the same position for the same company get roughly the same salary, regardless of where they live? On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:00 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San Francisco > as of July 2018 [1] which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
Asking candidates for their current salary is prohibited in San Francisco as of July 2018 [1] which means that, as a San Francisco based organisation, the Foundation will undoubtedly not be doing this. To my knowledge, this wasn't done by the Foundation before either, but we can confidently state

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Jan Ainali
This is a very interesting topic and I am intrigued by how the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team has their salary models transparent on their website: https://www.hotosm.org/salaries Perhaps there is something to copy from that as well? /Jan Ainali Den fre 11 sep. 2020 kl 11:44 skrev Chris

[Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Chris Keating
Good morning everyone! There's a campaign(1) for nonprofits to disclose the salaries, or at least salary ranges, on job ads. An increasing body of evidence(2) shows that practices like not disclosing expected pay, and requiring applicants to disclose their current salary, is harmful to equity in