Seb35, 26/04/2014 14:11:
invent neologisms and
terminology
The five pillars have only been codified to a degree on global level, so
one may care or not, but this would clearly be original research. And I
say so as someone whose first edit in 2005 added some neologisms to
Wiktionary; again,
Here are some bad and some good news...
The bad news is that I've finally realized why I needed a separate
wiki for data. It's about restrictive Ethnologue's ToS [1]. In other
words, I could say to myself just: Welcome back to the wonderful world
of licenses!
So, I've created a private wiki with
Hei,
As a supporter of language diversity, I’m a bit sad of this thread because
some people find we should not engage in language revitalisation because:
1/ it’s not explicitely in our scope (and I don’t fully aggree: sum of
all knowledge also includes minority cultures expressed in their
Seb, I agree with you 100%.
We need to advertise more clearly how the current projects, without
modification of scope and purpose, can be useful tools and platforms
for linguists and preservationists to extend and share their work.
In the US, we have had good relations with the Long Now
Comet styles, 24/04/2014 00:57:
on the left of whatever page in their
vernacular language welcoming them and asking them if they want to be
part of Wikipedia Fiji with a direct link to that language wikipedia's
This will be achieved by the following two features combined when/if
made default:
A few years back i came with an idea, I know wikimedia is not fond of
advertisements but what if we advertise wikipedia? There is a nice
big EMPTY space on the bottom left side of wikipedia.
Make a script/feature/extension which detects the person browsing the
wiki's IP and shows them a link to
El 21/04/2014 02:15 a.m., Asaf Bartov escribió:
3. An example: some time ago, our colleagues in Chile wanted to spend (not
a lot of) movement funds on printing the Welcome to Wikipedia booklet in
Rapa Nui. Rapa Nui is (perhaps) spoken by fewer than 3000 people, no doubt
mostly without facility
Milos Rancic, 21/04/2014 00:18:
* Nemo, the right approach is: those projects failed and there are
reasons for that. What are the reasons? How can we fix it in future
cases? How can we revive failed projects? I don't accept not
possible answer:)
Sometimes you have to accept it. :) I only talk
Hello Milos,
welcome back.
Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference:
I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is
to help conserve them.
Greetings
Ting
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This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia
alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the
cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs
people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I
say,
[snip]
For the things we could do, I quote form other people:
* encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for
new/endangered languages.
You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record
audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just
I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our
mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as
All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting
resources into Y.
Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh;
I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even
though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their
regional language and another major language, they are more comfortable in
getting education in their regional language. I'm pretty sure that there
are such
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia
alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the
cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages
With this I agree. If this depended on me, I'd give this resources.
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I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
2014-04-22 15:43 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Apr 22,
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be
given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks
my heart to say this.
I don't think that we are dealing here with
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I
wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about
this.
I mentioned Scots Gaelic with a good reason. Not counting
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from
157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in
achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some
ideas how
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from
157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in
achieving
How many languages exist?
|_ How many languages have written works?
|_How many languages have UNICODE support?
That is the max number of Wikisource projects we can create :-P
2014-04-22 15:12 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic
Unicode support is not that big of a deal. It's growing all the time, and
the Unicode standard itself is ahead of Wikipedia and will likely remain
ahead of it for a while. The operating systems' actual support for it is
far from perfect, but it isn't a huge in itself either.
Existence of written
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even
though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their
regional language and another major language, they are more
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote:
[snip]
For the things we could do, I quote form other people:
* encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for
new/endangered languages.
You could scan books or documents if the language is
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Interesting thoughts. I have a few brief comments, and will engage further
(on Meta, perhaps) later:
2. This does include free knowledge _about_ every last language of the
world, so by all means: let us preserve all
On 20 April 2014 04:46, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd say that Scots Gaelic could be a good test (Wikimedia UK help
needed!). It's a language with ~70k of speakers and if it's possible
to achieve 100 active editors per month, we could say that it could
somehow work in other
Hi Milos, at the same time when you are concerned about the collection /
preservation of thousands of languages, I will briefly introduce a
project that currently takes place in Austria together with the Austrian
Academy of Sciences. This project has the same goal direction, which you
mention,
Am 20.04.2014 08:38, schrieb geni:
On 20 April 2014 04:46, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd say that Scots Gaelic could be a good test (Wikimedia UK help
needed!). It's a language with ~70k of speakers and if it's possible
to achieve 100 active editors per month, we could say that it
On 20 April 2014 09:32, Hubert Laska hubert.la...@gmx.at wrote:
What do you want to say with that? That it is thus no longer necessary,
gaelic to lead as an example? Wikipedia does´nt end at national borders!
Wikimedia UK however does. There is also the issue of changing political
status.
Milos Rancic, 20/04/2014 05:46:
Why should we do that? The answer is clear to
me: Because we can.
Can we? There is no evidence that our minuscule wikipedias have had any
influence whatsoever on unofficial languages like, say, the alleged
lumbard (lmo) dialect.
It's probably more effective to
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014, geni wrote:
On 20 April 2014 09:32, Hubert Laska hubert.la...@gmx.at wrote:
What do you want to say with that? That it is thus no longer necessary,
gaelic to lead as an example? Wikipedia does´nt end at national borders!
Wikimedia UK however does. There is also the
imo there are a whole bunch of organizations and projects much better aimed
and developed towards this question; I'd rather map them and contact the
most developed ones instead of reinventing the wheel.
Cheers,
Balazs
PS: This because we can reasoning is very very thin btw. (source?)
2014-04-20
2014-04-20 6:46 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
There is the question: Why should we do that? The answer is clear to
me: Because we can.
You'll be hard-pressed to find a lot of people who support the general idea
more than I do, but precisely because of that I believe that we must be
First, I want to respond to the structural questions, among them some
which I didn't mention:
In short, we can because we have organizational infrastructure,
capable to work with local people and bring them to edit Wikipedia and
other Wikimedia projects. That's not the rocket science.
Working
Interesting thoughts. I have a few brief comments, and will engage further
(on Meta, perhaps) later:
0. because we can is indeed a very poor reason to do anything. We are
also probably the only global network that can ensure complete coverage of
all Pokémon characters in 100 languages. That's
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
0. because we can is indeed a very poor reason to do anything. We are
also probably the only global network that can ensure complete coverage of
all Pokémon characters in 100 languages. That's far from proof that we
On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:
4. What does interest me, as a grantmaker, is where to draw the line
between the Rapa Nui end of the spectrum and languages that, with some
active promotion, could well become useful and much-needed reference
sources in
There are ~6000 languages in the world and around 3000 of them have
more than 10,000 speakers.
That approximation has some issues, but they are compensated by the
ambiguity of the opposition. Ethnologue is not the best place to find
precise data about the languages and it could count as languages
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